I think Glenn Greenwald is right that the Bush/Cheney regime is about to start an aggressive war against Iran. And I agree that the Democrats have foolishly paved the way for this to happen.
We can't say we weren't warned. They've been telling us for years they want regime change in Iran. They've told us that Iran poses a nuclear threat in the Middle East. They've told us over and over that it is not acceptable to allow Iran's government to have its own nuclear program. They have put out one provocative and often exaggerated story after another about Iran's nuclear intentions or its capabilities, while ignoring or stepping all over stories from the International Atomic Energy Agency that countered their propaganda or described Iran's efforts to be cooperative. They've told us that they would not rule out military strikes against Iran while they've dragged their feet when pursuing any of the half-hearted efforts at a diplomatic/negotiated alternative to war. And they've told us it is not acceptable to leave this decision to the next Administration.
In the last few weeks, they've ratcheted up the inflammatory rhetoric against Iran. Dick Cheney was recently quoted as saying that military strikes against Iran are warranted. Bush has been telling our military in Iraq to pursue Iranians inside Iraq, so our military leaders have been dutifully rounding up Iranians, even diplomatic guests invited by the Iraqi government. This week they arrested Iranian energy officials who had been invited to help restore Iraq's electricity system. One provocation after another. Now every rumor of war must be taken seriously.
Now Bush has described the Iranian regime as posing the threat of a "nuclear holocaust." Not just a "mushroom cloud." This time, it's a nuclear holocaust -- terms reserved for the most heinous of crimes and the most despicable of enemies. No sane government engages in such inflammatory rhetoric. But where is the dissent? Where is the outcry?
Throughout this inexorable march to war, the Democratic Congress has done worse than nothing. They've voted for resolutions condemning Iran without having the factual basis for knowing what Iran is doing or intends, relying only on neocon and Administration propaganda. They'd listened to dishonest and crazed warmongers like Joe Lieberman, for heaven's sake. They've voted for resolutions that would support regime change, but they've refused to pass resolutions or amendments that would require the Administration to seek new authorization to start a war with Iran. Most of our Democratic Presidential candidates -- Kucinich and Gravel excepted -- have pretended to be "serious" people by refusing to rule out military strikes against Iran, even nuclear strikes. These are not serious positions; they are seriously irresponsible.
But of course, this Administration does not need authorization. It it now operating completely outside the law, outside the Constitution, outside any checks by Congress or influence from those who might counsel against war. By Presidential fiat, it has declared the Iranian Revolutionary Guard to be a terrorist group, effectively making them an enemy of the US without any Congressional declaration of war. We have a lawless, reckless and belligerent Administration, and it is about to start another unlawful war, even as it tries to convince the American people that it is a good thing that the regime has 160,000 US troops bogged down in another quagmire, vulnerable to an enlarged regional war. Who will tell this crazed regime to stop? To whom would it even listen?
The Administration has repeatedly told us Iran is responsible for many of the deaths of US soldiers in Iraq. They trot out their propagandists in Iraq to shows us the weapons and their markings, suggesting that their use in Iraq is a delberate policy of the Iranian government. Their neocon supporters are already spreading the theme that Iran has effectively declared war on the US by arming and training those who are killing our soldiers in Iraq.
The only thing the Bush/Cheney regime needs is the money to wage its aggressive war against Iran, but how they'll get it is patently obvious. That money is embedded in the authorizations for supporting US troops and their activities in Iraq. Congress no longer asks what the money is for: it's assumed to be for "supporting the troops." Now the regime is asking for another supplemental authorization -- another $50 billion -- and while Democrats are promising a fight, some are already announcing they will "support the troops" by giving the Administration all the money it requests.
Wake up Democrats: you are being asked to fund an aggressive war against Iran. This war will be on your heads. Stop.
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Not the Fainting Goat Dems
So what’s the answer?
and ….. good morning scarecrow.
excellent (and very frightening) post.
In Memoriam — Andrew Nelson, Moorhead MN, death announced today in lead story of Fargo’s Forum. Third tour of duty in Iraq. Killed near Tikrit.
He also did a tour in Afghanistan.
22 years old. One of George Bush’s expendable human assets–’cause he volunteered.
Our hero. Andy was an Eagle Scout, and Sunshines have a soft spot for all Eagle Scouts.
Lookin’ for some heroes in Washington.
Excellent post, Scarecrow.
Caw, caw!
Good morning Scarecrow.
These warmongers make my head hurt with such arguments, this insane rush to yet another war of aggression.
Whatever happened to the Geneva Conventions? Aggressive war = bad? Have we lost our collective minds and wills?
The Lieberman Senate proposal that passed 97 - 0 contained language saying Iranians were killing Americans and that this was “intolerable.” Do we really think the neocons won’t use this in their rush to destroy yet another country?
Thanks for another brilliant analysis, Scarecrow.
Thanks Prairie Sunshine.
I couldn’t agree more– but every time I bring it up people, even my fellow Democrats, look at me like I’m an alarmist.
You have a group of people in the White House who have not learned the most basic lesson of Vietnam. You cannot carpet bomb a country into submission. But they are going to try. And then when that doesn’t work, Cheney is going to start talking about “tactical” nuclear weapons” as if that is even a meaningful phrase.
He’s nuts. Really.
Congress responds:
What are you looking at US for? It’s 2007. An odd-numbered year. Do you see an election this November? WE don’t. So don’t bother us; we’re on break.
We can always focus on things you seem to groove on — you know…justice, the Constitution, ending the war — stuff like that — next year, when our jobs are at stake.
Good Morning Scarecrow and firepups!
God Help US
Mornin’ all. Every day, as everything gets worse and worse, I’m sooo tempted to just shut off the computer and walk out the door and not stop until I get to Washington just so I can scold these lunatic, idiot, deadly jokers face to face.
GRRRRRR
Oh, the misfortune that attends life on top of a large reserve of black gold, Texas tea, oil, i.e.! — at least as long as U.S. has any say. It’s time to serve the Junta a cup of shut the fuck up.
dov12348 @ 9
cynical. scary. probably on target. nice to meet you.
wow. great post.
… and some how i hadn’t put 2 & 2 together: the $50 billion for iraq might be used for iran. thanks for making that clear.
Audrey @ 11
I believe you’ll have some company on that walk 9/15.
Good morning everyone. Sorry about the downer. I really do look for happier stories, but I was suprised to see Glenn’s post almost completely ignored. You were expecting Larry Craig?
Prairie,
I am sad for the loss of this fine young man in your community.
We have to make this stop.
God Help Us.
But aren’t we effectively “arming and training those who are killing our soldiers in Iraq” when we cannot account for millions of dollars in arms in Iraq?
This is OT, is EPU’ed from last night’s Tap three times, and may seem hollow in light of this scary post (for which, thanks):
proposal for a new acronym: ABDFBR. Another Bad Day for Bad Republicans. In use in our house on regular occasions, thanks to Abramoff, Libby, Ney, and a cast of tens, soon, it things be Fine, tens of tens.
Inspired by Egan and Kane’s WaPo article which has the deets on what Fine is asking of all applicants for all DOJ jobs, political and career, going back to Ashcroft.
And names new names as suspects of illegal politicized hiring. guess what–they are also already gonzo.
Prairie Sunshine @ 4
Eagle Scout here.
“Expendable human assets” is exactly how Bush sees them. Almost 3700 of them, not to mention the contractors, troops of other nations, Iraqis, and the ones who make it back who will never be the same.
I posted this during Late Nite FDL, but it seems on topic here as well.
Put your coffee down, and then read on . . .
From today’s WaPo:
Yeah, that whole “let’s compromise with moderate GOP members” has worked out so well in the past . . .
i’m scared for our troops in Iraq - remember that horrific photo from the Iraqi retreat from Kuwait - the one of the burned head in the tank? Guess who else has not forgotten. i don’t think our exit is going to be easy, especially if Basra, the port where the troop carriers will be docked, is no longer friendly, shall we say.
How do we stop this coming nightmare?
selise @ 14
Congress spends almost no time checking what the money is for on the main appropriations bill — it’s at $147 billion or so for Iraq/Afghanistan — but you just know some of that has to be for activitives related to getting ready for Iran or secret operations already there. And then they come in with one of the supplementals — as though they had no idea what our requirements would be and hadn’t realized war is so wasteful.
I have to just shake my head at why anyone would ever cooperate with/believe/approve anything this regime does.
Scarecrow @ 16
Who me? I was expecting to still be asleep.
TexBetsy @ 15
Hi TexB
Yes, I saw that. September in DC is gonna rock! I just hope that others who feel the same way will actually be able to go. I’m stuck…and that makes the urge (and the outrage) difficult to deal with.
Scarecrow @ 16
No more Larry, please!! :P
Thanks for not going there, Scarecrow. Great post even if it isn’t fun.
And after this NEXT war, will they let us impeach him?
Of course not.
Audrey @ 11
oh! oh! Can I go with ya?
I don’t think anyone can stop these people. I think a large number, maybe even a majority, of Americans agree with the basic premise of the administration that it is the responsibility of the US to do whatever it takes to stop the Iranians from getting nuclear weapons, including use of our own arsenal of nuclear bombs. If you ask why, no one can explain, it just seems obvious.
congress’ multiple actions wrt to iran this year, is what first got me really pissed off at them. such irresponsible actions…. and until siun’s post on the lieberman amendment, they weren’t getting much (any attention).
i am so grateful that they are now being held accountable for their stupid and irresponsible actions. if they know they can’t get away with bad behavior - that it will be noticed - then maybe they’ll think twice and stop this bs.
Peterr @ 21
Notice that Reid’s prior tough stand only “earned him critics” — I guess we don’t exist.
I believe Reid is a thoughtful, well intentioned man. I interpret his reaching out to the Repubs as a sign he’s losing votes — because those Repubs don’t want to end the war, they want to lessen the animosity towards them for continuing to vote for appropriations with no conditions or withdrawal. It’s political cover for them, and for some reason, Reid is willing to give it to them. I’d like to know why.
Audrey @ 27
Oh wait. There is one more thing. Whether or not he’s gay. I think his preferred cruising style wouldn’t go over as well(?) if he was doing it in the ladies’ room, anyway. So, what choice did he have? ;)
(Disclaimer: I’ve been up all night and the news has been all about the tape of his arrest and “explanation” to the cops. YUCK!)
Peterr @ 21
Unfortunately, he may just be facing reality. The Reps will not agree to any timeline of any kind as long as Bush is President. Reid is soliciting suggestions, saying “I’ve tried. You’ve blocked my efforts. If you want to end this war, give me suggestions.” This may be the only option left.
angry_cyclone @ 29
I would love to have an angry cyclone along! Adds dramatic effect, ya know? But as I’m stuck here with no one to take care of the animals…I can only dream. :P
Unfortunately, he may just be facing reality. The Reps will not agree to any timeline of any kind as long as Bush is President. Reid is soliciting suggestions, saying “I’ve tried. You’ve blocked my efforts. If you want to end this war, give me suggestions.” This may be the only option left.
I think that’s about right.
Start a war with Iran?
Uh. with what? Who are we going to send in?
Now, kiddies, we have to take note that on this new supplemental none of the McNerney dodges apply. There is no need for 67 votes in the senate. There is no need for a veto proof majority. There is no way that the republicans can stop a united caucus that simply refuses to appropriate these funds. That appropriation has to come from the House. First, they don’t have to bring up a bill at all. This is at Congress’ discretion.
Just say no to further escalation.
when it comes to anti-muslim bigotry and war mongering, the house has it’s very own lieberman in tom lantos, chair of the foreign affairs committee.
cahuenga @ 36
We could send Zell Miller and his spitballs…
Elliott @ 10
God help the rest of the world from US bombs!(Again).
The nation of Israel, do they want a war with Iran? I know they don’t want the Iranians to have a chance to get the bomb. But are they pushing for a war?
masaccio @ 30
I’m working on these people one at a time, patiently asking them to explain their logic that ends with us declaring aggressive war against yet another country.
They’re softening up. I got a higher level, thoughtful response just this morning from a “gotta bomb ‘em” family member.
Keep pushing. It’s gonna be a close one.
Scarecrow @ 32
One of the repeated McNerney refrains was that he knows that his republican colleagues want to end this, that it’s not working, that the occupation is doing great damage to Iraq and the US, and they want to find a way out. You’ll recall that he kept pushing us to find a way to pressure republicans. This means, of course, to give them a reason for resisting the president’s desires.
I suspect something similar is happening here. Yes, he’s lost the Bush Dogs, but Reid may think he can pick up Collins, Smith, Sununu, Coleman because they are so vulnerable. That, he may be hoping, will give cover to the Hagels and and Warners.
The strategy Schumer stated right after the midterms was to wait until the Republicans were forced to give in, and end the occupation. This was supposed to happen “by the end of summer.” i think they are trying to make sure the republicans own the defeat as well as the start of the war.
Of course, in doing it in this way, they run the (greater to my mind) risk of gaining part-ownership of an unending occupation.
TexBetsy @ 13
Thanks — you too!
angry_cyclone @ 29
Everyday I turn on the computer and feel powerless.
This is still our country. Aren’t there enough people who want to stop the war to make a difference.
Go to DC with tents, stay until they listen or more likely stop supporting them with our money.
Scarecrow,
Powerful post! ‘By Presidential fiat…’
What a telling phrase!
And I thought the scariest, most reckless, thing our Country had done was the Iraq
waroccupationinvasion. I could not imagine anything worse, but you’ve outlined it. Thanks for the dose of truth, although it will leave me with a heavy heart for a while (at least until after January 2009).hey jayackroyd - as an extension to your analysis of the dc consensus on iraq, have you considered if there is a consensus (at least among dems) on iran?
Unfortunatally everything you say is correct. When Bush/Cheney decides to bomb Iran we can, in part, blame Nancy Pelosi for taking impeachment off the table. The only way to stop this madness is to impeach Bush and Cheney.
Idaho Al @ 49
Indeed.
Good morning. Found this at Dailykos.
A C-130 cargo aircraft carrying an Alabama senator and congressman was fired on this evening as it flew from Baghdad to Amman, Jordan. The airplane was carrying Senator Richard Shelby (R-Ala) and Rep. Bud Cramer (D-Ala) and two other [as of yet unnamed] senators.
In a telephone interview, Shelby said that three rockets were shot at the plane and were “near misses.” He added that the pilot was forced to take evasive maneuvers to avoid being hit. The plane subsequently landed unscathed in Amman at about 4 pm central time.
cahuenga @ 37
Not “send in.” More like, “leave there” but fighting the Iranians by proxy and air war. Every American, soldier or civilian, will be a target, everywhere in the world.
cahuenga @ 37
I believe it would be air strikes. They have appearantly reinforced a runway in Iraq that may be used for the strikes (can’t remember where I saw this. Anybody got a link?).
Their thinking seems to be just like their thinking before Iraq - we just need a small force, cakewalk, etc. They’re delusional if they think that is all it will take.
Whats another 50 billion to the complex while the economy tanks and Iraq costs 3 billion a week?
Lets see if a few billion head to people who took advantage of sub-prime mortgage devises today.
…O’ Brother can you spare a dime?
CNN says Sens. Mel Martinez, R-Florida; Richard Shelby, R-Alabama; and James Inhofe, R-Oklahoma, were also on the flight.
scarecrow @32, JF @ 33,
Reid strikes me as a good guy, but in many instances he seems unable to think beyond the next vote. “Gosh, I can’t get 61 now, so let’s roll over. But wait til next time.”
The GAO says only 3 of 18 benchmarks have been met in Iraq. The DOD has been outrageously manipulating members of Congress who go to Iraq (Ellen Tauscher and Jim Moran are really ticked off). The White House has been caught saying they will write Petraeus’s report and had to backtrack from saying he might not testify publicly.
And Reid wants to tone things down and back off?
Sorry, it’s not the only option. Force a vote every other day on some aspect of this mess. Force the GOP to say “we won’t require that troops be given a decent amount of downtime between rotations in Iraq” on Monday. Force them to say that they won’t require the DOD and CIA to quit using
tortureenhanced interrogation techniques on Wednesday. Force the GOP to say they support yet another outrageous aspect of this war on Friday.You want another option: Put the GOP on the record. Give them a seat on the political bus that Bush is driving over a cliff, and ask them to buckle in.
Dems do something? Dems like Brian Baird?
So tell me again why I shouldn’t support Kucinich in the Democratic primary?
I would like to see his poll numbers start to climb dramatically — that would send a clear message that we are serious about changing our foreign policy.
jayackroyd @ 44
Ok. I’ve been mulling over a “what if” on this and thought I’d share. What if the Dems in both houses tell the Reps that they won’t investigate them…will grant them immunity from any charges of fraud, money laundering, you name the corruption, in exchange for taking out this administration and it’s filthy wars? It would provide them cover to do the right thing. Just a thought.
That way, we can give the Republicans a “come to Jesus moment” instead of sitting around waiting for them to come up with one on their own. We can’t afford to wait.
There’s a hearsay report over at Juan Cole’s place by a person reporting a conversation he had with someone who knows someone at AEI. The gist is that they got ‘orders’ from Cheney to roll out the pro-war campaign starting this coming Monday. It will be coordinated with WSJ and the National Review. According to the report, Cheney understands he can’t take the whole country with him, but they figure if they get get back to 35 to 40 percent, the mouth-breathers carry the day.
Christ! This is like Germany in May, 1941. The German public believed the war was basically over at that point. They didn’t know what their administration had in store for them. Neither do our people.
And yes, our nation is led by people who are entirely outside the law.
Madness, madness, madness.
Scarecrow @ 52
As will every oil tanker moving through the Straits of Hormuz.
selise @ 48
My impression is that the democrats don’t think Bush is crazy enough to actually attack Iran, and that therefore these toothless resolutions are costless ways of being “strong on security.”
I have to say I agree with the idea that he can’t be that crazy, can he? I cannot see what possible objective the US could have that it could achieve. Bogged down in two much weaker states would surely deter him from adding a third, wouldn’t you think?
snowbird42 @ 46
My job is to wake us up; Christy will be along to get us organized. I believe we make a difference in the long run, even though it’s not clear day to day.
GMFORD @ 59
Support who you want or abstain.
Actually I think they see Edwards as the only possible threat that could be elected - Fox goes after him daily (last time they were saying how the far right and rich actually liked him but that the “Moderate” republicans did not since he was so aggressive).
jayackroyd @ 44
And won’t that be swell if this gives Collins, Smith, Sununu, Coleman et al. enough “cover” that they get re-elected in ‘08.
Where is Nancy Reagan with her “Just Say No” buttons?
The problem is not whether or not Bush is crazy enough. The problem is Cheney.
Sometimes I feel like Im crazy. Everything I read indicates the Surge isnt working and then I read this.
http://www.theaustralian.news......77,00.html
What has happened to our country?
Has Edwards voiced a position on this?
ccmask @ 55
A few hail marys were no doubt said.
Scarecrow at 64
It’s happening. Just keep pushing. Lot of stuff going on behind the scenes, but there is no time to waste.
ccmask @ 52
Someone on Air America this morning was hoping Shelby would speak up when Petraus says how great things are going in Iraq.
Yeah, right.
snowbird42 @ 68
Persiflage told us last night that this is a Murdoch report filed by a Murdoch reporter in a Murdoch paper.
ccmask @ 56
I won’t go there, because it’s against the ethos of the Lake, but you know what I’m thinking. . .
[MOD: Wise decision]
Peterr @ 57
I share Greenwald’s pessimism that the Dems are not going to stop this regime, but it doesn’t follow they have to cooperate either. I’m wondering if the Dems would be better off if they just said, “this is a criminal, insane regime, and we won’t cooperate with it, won’t approve of anything it does or asks, and won’t negotiate with thugs. What have they got to lose? I think a lot of us would support that position.
“This week they arrested Iranian energy officials…”
But of course that is the point of the war, get some energy & feed the complex with billions in cash while everyone else in the econenemy~ goes gown.
Or is this the truth? from Informed Comment
Excellent post. I feel the same way.
When I heard about the new arms deal with the Saudis I knew the war with Iran would be coming sooner than later. Make no mistake people, this is happening. Just look at the recent arms deals we have made with people in the Area (Israel, Lebanon, and Saudi Arabia)… they are stocking up their weapons right now.
Couple that with the firepower we have in the Gulf right now… about 300 - 400 combat aircraft and over 2200 cruise missiles. All just miles from the Iranian coast.
If this doesn’t get more public scrutiny in the very near future, we’ll all be watching it on CNN.
gotta give a shout out to congressman DeFazio - he submitted an amendment in may to the defense appropriations bill:
DeFazio (OR)/Paul (TX)/Hinchey (NY)/Lee (CA) amendment #31
sadly, the amendment failed with 99 dems voting against it (including murtha, reyes, van hollan, waxman and lantos) and speaker pelosi not even bothering to vote.
Peterr @ 57
With the personalities in congress now, I believe most would just harden their positions. It may be great for a 2008 election campaign for the Dems, but if the goal is to end the war, then we have to pull some R’s over to our side. If it means letting them give some suggestions on how to end the war, so be it. If there are any Reps that really want to end the war, this may be a good way to get them. Let them think it was their idea.
snowbird42 @ 46
Everyday I turn on the computer and feel powerless.
This is still our country. Aren’t there enough people who want to stop the war to make a difference.
Go to DC with tents, stay until they listen or more likely stop supporting them with our money.
Hi Snowbird. I’m looking for a September schedule. Most of the month is full of events. I would be willing to go to DC with just the clothes on my back and a sign that says:
IMPEACHMENT
It’s not an option!
It’s your job!
I don’t care about a tent or anything else. Except for the 25 dogs and cats in my care. I wouldn’t want to bring them with me.
mauimom @ 74
Well, for one thing, it should keep the pesky Senators from taking trips to Iraq. Bet a lot of those chickenhawks will cancel their upcoming travels plans. Its good enough for soldiers though…..
mauimom @ 65
If that’s the price for ending the occupation, I’d pay it gladly. My concern is that Reid does not seem to understand that he has the whip hand here. The clock is working against the republicans. There may a revolt against the Blue Dogs, but that won’t help those four. Part of what is going on is they are facing strong candidates–because they are clearly vulnerable.
As for Collins, she promised to term limit herself. Mainers remember stuff like that.
Peterr at 57 - Absolutely right. Steve Soto at The Left Coaster has been on this as well with great tactical suggestions about how to necklace these guys with this morass. It might also help put some of the Bush Dogs on notice as well. We can’t keep bleating on about what we don’t have (veto proof majority), we need to shift the debate and get in their faces.
Why is this so hard? The president has no respect, and the repubs are a laughingstock. It’s time the country stopped being run by less than 30% of the electorate. OR, let’s assume we represent about 30% and figure out how to make that the ruling majority.
Audrey — Ok. I’ve been mulling over a “what if” on this and thought I’d share. What if the Dems in both houses tell the Reps that they won’t investigate them…will grant them immunity from any charges of fraud, money laundering, you name the corruption, in exchange for taking out this administration and it’s filthy wars? It would provide them cover to do the right thing. Just a thought.
Marcy and others think that’s effectively what the Dems are doing, except the deal is, we back off on the investigations of the Justice Department if Bush gives us an honest, independent AG nomination. That’s the interpretation of Schumer and Feinstein olive branches and suggested lists of nominees.
Audrey @ 80
I really would love to go.
Found this from my state
http://www.concernedtncitizens.org/
At least feminists can congratulate ourselves that this time around they felt obliged to call it Homeland instead of Fatherland.
In July I could still persuade my non-blogging friends and relatives that having Democrats in Congress was progress. Those days are over.
Scarecrow @ 85
It would be an awfully big risk.
Well after the false alarm last March, when it looked like an Iran invasion was immanent, but then didn’t happen, I’m afraid our credibility is diminished.
That could be all part of their plan. Maybe that’s the real reason they didn’t follow through back then.
And what better way to distract people from the ever-grown corruption scandals this Administration is mired in?
I called my congressman last night and stopped short of saying impeachments proceedings should begin immediately if Bush launches this “new product” in September.
Now I think I shouldn’t have stopped short.
We need to get the message out that if Bush starts another calamitous war he should be immediately impeached.
To a public already weary of the occupation of Iraq it shouldn’t be as hard to convince them what a massive mistake it is.
But it will only work if we get out in front of it. The Republican Spin Machine is gearing up for a full-blown assault, we need to find a way to inoculate the public.
selise @ 78
selise,
FWIW, I believe most Speakers rarely vote except when an issue is in doubt or feel it is necessary for symbolic purposes.
Knut Wicksell @ 60
AEI is a dog and pony show. They don’t know from Shinola®. This is an invocation of the Nixon Madman Theory of [non]diplomacy vis-a-vis Iran.
P.s. Nice to hear from a famous economist.
I read Greenwald’s article earlier this week and immediately called the local office of Minnesota Senator Amy Klobuchar to register my anger and disgust at Bush’s rhetoric and obvious plan to attack Iran. The woman who took my call listened and was polite but I got no indication that this was an issue the Senator cared about. We need to keep hammering away on this, but, especially after her vote on the warrentless wiretapping bill, I don’t think we can count on Amy Klobuchar to stand up for what’s right.
snowbird42 — thanks for the Juan Cole quote; a voice of sanity in a sea of propaganda.
mauimom @ 74
IOKIYAR? :)
Scarecrow @ 85
This sort of “dealing” makes me think of the Gestapo going to the homes of those hiding Jews, and offering to “spare” the residents if they would only hand over the folks hiding in the attic.
I don’t want to be complicit in this evil.
And congratulations, Steney Hoyer [and Chris VanHollen]. You voted against the DeFazio amendment [selise @ 79 above], along with Roscoe Bartlett, the most batshit crazy member of the Maryland delegation.
cahuenga @ 37
Certainly no one from from the Bush family. The American Royal Family does not serve.
I wish Congress would have Juan Cole testify during the Petreaus hearings September 11th.
Scarecrow @ 92
I always go over there for truth and the humanity of the thing. The Iraqis are people and look what we have done.
jayackroyd @ 62
that makes sense… except for one thing: i though that the idea of the iraq war was crazy too - what possible objective the US could have that it could achieve by attacking iraq?
and we all know how that one turned out….
Stopping the madness of Bush/Cheney requires leadership. Sadly, that missing from the Democrats.
Audrey @ 94
Well, the fact is, the realities of war seldom sink in until it hurts/kills someone you know/care about.
JF @ 79
I agree we have to pull some R’s over to our side, and if I saw even a single example of a time when backing off and letting them “think it was their idea” had worked, I might agree with you.
Right now, though, Reid’s approach looks like enabling, and what seems to me to be called for is a little tough love. “Look, the truth is this war is a mess, and it’s not going to get any better the way Bush is fighting it. You know it, I know it, the whole damn country knows it. When are you going to face up to that publicly?”
Lather, rinse, and repeat.
Scarecrow @ 101
Then it’s clear that Bush will always occupy a reality-free zone.
This country loved Mark Twain when he wrote Tom Sawyer, and thought he was nuts when he wrote of the atrocities in the Congo and Philippines.
In the 60’s and 70’s passionate folk spoke out against the vast scope of American foreign policy in the so called Third World. From Southeast Asia to Africa to Central and South America. Folks were being massacred by the thousands so that others could steal their natural resources.
Most folk were unaware that this was going on, but Government and industry barons were behaving lawlessly with impunity, and as long as it didn’t affect our standard of living, we let it continue.
Now they are about to do to us what they’ve been doing to the third world since Columbus, and we somehow seem surprised.
I don’t think Bush has an exit strategy for the White House. I think he intends to stay.
Stopping a war against Iran doesn’t have to be that difficult. Simply ask yourself what Karl Rove and the other Republican strategists would do if the shoe were on the other foot.
IMHO they’d immediately start warning of long gas lines with American waiting in line for hours just to get a few gallons into their SUVs. And, it’ll all be the fault of the politicians who took us to war. Everbody who fails to denounce and oppose Bush’s stated intention to go to war with Iran will be held responsible, when the international petroleum supply dries up.
And, now would be the time to start beating the drums on this message.
Knut Wicksell @ 61
Thanks for reminding me. I saw that last night and it stimulated today’s post. I’ll add a link.
it’s obviously true they want to go after Iran but let’s also be realistic
they can’t do it with a conventional army, that is gone, there are no resources left
that means nuclear attack or something else that doesn’t involve hardware or manpower…for instance possibly a chemical or biological attack
my bet on that though is nuclear
sorry but it’s true…they’ve been itching to use nukes since they came in office, they’ve been trying to bring forward what they think is a biblical prophesy of armageddon and they are mad
this is going to be a nuclear attack
Scarecrow @ 84
That is a disgusting prospect.
Peterr @ 102
If I recall correctly, he has said things like that. For some reason, though, only the Republican line gets picked up by the media. If a Democrat points out the failings of the Bush presidency and no TV cameras are nearby, did he really say it?
dakine01 @ 90
i don’t think so, she seems to vote on most everything else.
Good (I think) morning, Scarecrow and all,
Excellent post, but I’m thinking the nuclear holocaust will actually come from the Bush administration.
I’m going to try to be a Very Serious Person here for a minute and wonder aloud what the Administration gains from starting a third war in seven years.
Wait, I’m still thinking.
Hold on, I think I’ve got it…
No, no, that’s not it.
I guess it’s all about Haliburton.
wigwam @ 105
I think you have a very good point. I remember a quote posted here yesterday from Rush Limbaugh in 2000 saying that if you vote for Gore you’ll be paying $2 a gallon for gas within a few years.
I’d like to see that quote on the front of a t-shirt with the back asking, “Who did you vote for?”
Towards the bottom of the CNN article I quoted above, it says this:
The U.S. military death toll in the Iraq war stands at 3,730; seven civilian contractors also have been killed. The military has reported 79 U.S. troop deaths during August, matching last month’s toll.
snip
Only 7 contractors have been killed?? I thought there were actually a couple hundred.
This is from the NYT:
At least 146 contract workers were killed in Iraq in the first three months of the year, by far the highest number for any quarter since the war began in March 2003, according to the Labor Department, which processes death and injury claims for those working as United States government contractors in Iraq.
It irritates me when people post without reading the foregoing, and here I am doing it, having come late to yet another excellent and pointed Scarecrow post, have you all read roberts on anitwar.com this morning. (Dunno how to post a link.)
http://www.antiwar.com/roberts/?articleid=11533
We are so goddamm helpless against our supine and paid-for Democratic majority. I can but repeat yet again that The Lobby/PNAC/A*P*C led this, the lunatic teenager in the White House is just too stupid and juvenile to have the equipment to cope, and Our (Dem) majority is The Best Congress Money Can Buy!
If anyone is interested you can watch Thom Hartman on C-Span today. 12-3 EST
He is amazing and has a smart show.Sen Bernie Sanders will be on for the first hour as he is every week
mc @ 111
what do they gain?
they will declare martial law, they will suspend elections, they will suspend congress and teh senate
then they will steal even more then they’ve already stolen
Is anyone else concerned this could turn into a major world war?
Isn’t Russia keeping nuclear-armed bombers in the air at all times now. And aren’t Russia and China major trading partners with Iran?
SufiLizard @ 112
TPM and Drudge linked to a story yesterday with a Rep congressman saying that if we pulled out of Iraq, gas would go up to $9 a gallon.
Found the link :Here
SufiLizard @ 117
they want a nuclear war, they want an excuse to engage russia, they want to expend our arsenol so they can spend our money to rebuild that arsenol
we are a country under seige, it was taken over in a silent coup and they are in the process of dismantleing our defense, our freedom, our government
Nothing like being sledgehammered with the truth. Devastating post Scarecrow.
typo alert;
[Mod: thanks, perris]
SufiLizard @ 117
Apparently, the threat of $8.00-9.00 a gallon of gas will give Bush the nod from “most” Americans.
I think the most important thing to do is to protect the ballot box. This morning on NPR, they were talking about Karl Rove and how he was able to “bring on” 13 million Republican voters to the Bush side. I can’t see 13 million Americans moving over because of Clinton, but I could be wrong. Those 13 millions votes should come back if they went because of the Monica affair, right?
SufiLizard @ 117
I don’t see how it can’t.
Every sane person knows, without a doubt, that attacking Iran is insane. Every sane person knows, without a doubt, that using nuclear weapons is insane.
For some bizarre reason, Congress is either mostly insane; or, they believe Bush/Cheney won’t really go ahead with it. They tell themselves that it is probably saber rattling.
Just like everything else that has happened, which has basically ended up being insane, Congress has ultimately taken the position that
Bush/Cheney will not abuse their powers, and they have been proven wrong, every single time.
An attack on Iran will happen, unless Congress stops them, now; but I have come to the conclusion that they are all certifiably insane. They are living in la-la land and being led by the nose by other insane people.
The asylum has taken over.
carolyn urban @ 120
Scarecrow @ 64
I think I’m awake now.
{{{{THANKS}}}}} for featuring this issue here. The post is SO on target. I haven’t had a chance to read everything above, but:
to Elliott’s question about whether Isr*el is in favor of bombing Iran, it sure would be nice to see a Jew*sh group take out an ad in the NYT or Newsweek or a TV ad that says this makes no sense for Isr*el either. My fear is that while there are those voices out there, they too will be viciously attacked by the neo-cons. And, related: Has anyone in this same community come out to condemn or offer a alternative view in the form of a public letter or ad to the Ari Fleischer “Freedom” TV ad. Since 4 of 5 of the sponsors of this are from this group, this pro-war ad will/has come to stand for the Is*ael voice.
This is truly terrifying. Cheney and GWB are both insane, and *will* attack Iran if they can. Political pressure means nothing to them - they’re both well beyond any hope of salvation in terms of national popularity.
I’ll borrow a back-pack and be ready to head to D.C. anytime after the 17th of September. Have already checked the fares and everything. This could be the big one, imo, as to an uprising of the citizenry, camped in D.C., demanding that the government stop the insanity.
Peterr @ 125
I wish we could really wake up from this nightmare
Scarecrow @ 16
I posted this yesterday to another FDL thread…a link to the Informed Comment blog by Juan Cole. He was posting a comment from a friend of his with “connections”. The expectation is that there WILL be a “New Product” release in September, and starting shortly after Labor Day the usual suspect MSMers (WSJ, Fox, AEI, a couple others) are going to start ratcheting up the “Iran is SOOOO Deadly Dangerous and MUST BE STOPPED!” rhetoric. There will be a buildup in this nonsense (Mushroom clouds! Iranians under your bed!) throughout the month of September in hopes of getting 35-40% public support for “doing something about Iran”. The feeling is that BushCo feels that percentage range is PLENTY to support a New War(tm).
In the futures market, someone somewhere (the SEC isn’t saying) has put a BIG billion dollar investment into the expectation that the market will drop precipitously by 21 September (in comments at Informed Comment). There is another comment stating that the editor at Murdoch’s flagship paper in Australia says that Bush will cancel his APEC meeting on short notice just prior (next month).
Now the futures bid may mean nothing, as another commenter stated that there ARE people in the world who can afford to lose a billion dollars, but…IF we see a huge surge in pro-attack Iran rhetoric from the usual suspects post Labor Day AND Bush DOES cancel his APEC attendance, then I rather expect that there is a knowing reason someone dumped a billion-dollar investment in an expected precipitous drop in the market by late September…and we KNOW what that reason would likely be.
alank @ 108
It is!! My earlier reply to Scarecrow disappeared. That is not at all what I was proposing. The investigations into the DOJ must continue. Immunity for the elected members of the legislature is a whole different ballgame. And only for those who cooperate with the Dems.
ok, we’re gonna get alot of heat and we’re in for it;
what do they gain?
they will declare martial law, they will suspend elections, they will suspend congress and teh senate
and Washington D.C. will gain a couple of million new temporary residents, screaming for the metaphorical heads of George W. Bush, and Richard Bruce Cheney.
Thanks, scarecrow. Great post. Guess you found something after all.
They will cave again.
No reason to think otherwise.
A leopard cannot change its spots.
cahuenga @ 37
Our Navy and Air Force are not currently very busy and need something to do. If you recall the Kosovo campaign was fought almost entirely with airpower from our side. (There were however KLA units working on the ground.)
Steve Clemons at the Washington Note has a good post up on Iran, IAEA inspectors, and the US reaction to their latest report. He ends:
I know I’ll be checking back. Steve seems plugged in to some very good sources, all across the political spectrum.
jayt @ 127
in fact, now that their “political capitol” is gone, political pressure makes them MORE brazen
the facade is gone, they don’t have to please anyone, they don’t have tp pretend
what they want to steal they will now steal without restraint
I do believe this is all about using nuclear force. I also think it’s important to understand the Administration’s policy goal here. They see a Middle East totally under U.S. influence, and Iran is the last remaining domino that needs to fall.
Of course, the way they are going about it is complete folly. If they think a nuclear “knock-out” punch will keep us safe here, they’d better think again. We’ll see death and suffering that’ll make 9/11 look like a garden party.
Would it not be possible for the saner Congressional leaders to go directly to the Joint Chiefs to counter the Administration’s lies? I just don’t see a Congress with the political will to cut off funding, or challenge Bush’s “fuck you, I’ll bomb whoever I want” attitude.
Elliott @ 123
I think it could turn the ME into an inferno, but I don’t see why the outsiders would find it in their interests to intervene. Better for them that the US becomes hopelessly bogged down and systematically drains its wealth, armies, power and prestige in a hopeless exercise. I suspect the lack of Russian/Chinese support for sanctions is part of a strategy of preventing non-war “solutions” from occuring. There is not single mind in the Bush/cheney regime capable of sorting this out.
SufiLizard @ 117
The Russian bombers thing doesn’t bother me. I am a “Cold Warrier” who manned nuclear-armed B-52s during the late 80s and early 90s. That, to me, is familiar territory and mostly show. It is terribly unfortunate and unnecessary that we’ve driven Putin to start this shit with our idiotic killing the ABM Treaty and forcing an ABM into formerly Warsaw Pact countries…what a stupid provocation!
Actually, I wish Putin would announce the imminent arrival of a large official delegation of Russion civilian and military reps in Iran to “inspect nuclear sites, observe operations, offer advice and look into development aid”. This delegation could break up into groups that would just happen to occupy all the juicy target sites that BushCo wants to hit and SLOW WALK their visit/inspection/observation. There is NO WAY Bush would launch an attack if they were looking at wiping out an official Russian government delegation, including military personnel. To make it better, the Chinese could join in on this visit and help ensure that there are people stationed at all the “critical” sites.
Hey Pootie-poot! You reading this? Do this and you would cut Bush off at the knees AND drive Cheney into an impotent batshit rave! Double-plus good! Stopping this nonsense IS in your best interests (and even in the best interests of the world as a whole). Just Do It…but act quickly because time is running out.
I don’t recall if this was said above, but you all remember that Bush (Bolton) pressured the UN to bring the UN nuclear and other inspectors back from Iran. So, in short as in Iraq (esp after they got rid of Plame) we have no one of real qualification in Iran to contradict whatever is said by the bushies as to the REAL level of nuclear capability threat.
Scarecrow @ 16
Right about now, any post without Larry Craig in it is a good post.
Not that this is not an excellent post by any standards!
I remember a conversation I had with my daughter back in 2002 about Bush’s plans and his willingness to use nuclear weapons. I said, Bush can’t wait to bomb somebody. He loves blowing things up. The bigger the better. He WANTS to do it. She didn’t believe me. I think she knows better now.
Jane Hamsher @ 133
Good morning boss. Have I reminded you lately not to go to any more Boston Red Sox - Yankees games? Sheesh.
cahuenga @ 37
Not gonna send anyone in. Gonna bomb bomb bomb Iran.
I’ve been thinking for a few weeks that a stock market collapse would be a useful thing: if the economy tanks and there are suddenly lots of unemployed people we’ve got instant soldiers!
Scarecrow @ 144
when boston won the world series is upset the circle of life
that was an indication that armageddon might soon be appon us
and here we are today discussin the likelyhood of a nuclear holocost initiated by America
the only thing that can repair the fracture in the circle of life is for the yankees to regain the title
sorry bostonians, tiz true
Scarecrow @ 139
It does worry me, however that France is ratcheting up to support us this time (French arms sales, is that what was promised along with oil percentage?). Also, what is to say that Turkey doesn’t use this as a window to go into Kurdestan.
In some ways the bigger and more likely threat is a major attack of Is*ral (we saw a low level version of this when they invaded Lebanon recently). Syria etc saw that they were successful against Is*ael and that has further emboldened them. If Is*ael becomes another war zone, they will pull most everyone in the West into the conflagration, and it will be West vs. Islam (shades of the crucades & battles over Spain). Russia and China will stay on the side lines -supplying arms and materials to both groups- while waiting to peel off oil and other profits.
So in short, YES there is in my view a high likelihood that this will turn into a major world war.
perris @ 137
Ahhh, the [not so] lame duck mentality.
OT - Speaking of the Idaho Senator, the word is he may be resigning today.
Richmond @ 148
there are politicians that consider this already a world war
newt being one of them
SufiLizard @ 117
Yes
Praedor Atrebates @ 140
Dude, you’re going to gitmo. I am not saying you are wrong. In fact, it is a bit brilliant. But dude, you are going away.
perris @ 147
Bend over and kiss your ass goodbye if the Cubbies win!
Could it be that the only thing between us and war is some sensible military brass who “just say no”?
We can only hope that they see the insanity of striking Iran which… once again is no threat to the USA.
If we don’t want out people killed in the Middle East… how about getting them out of there?
How many cruise missiles does it take to sink an aircraft carrier?
If Iran chooses to retaliate, we might find out.
Hopefully, the Iranians are not as insane as Bush/Cheney — the political objectives of right wing Iranians will be handed to them on a silver platter, as soon as the first American bomb is dropped. Just like Bush/Cheney handed Al Qaeda everything they wanted when they chose to invade Iraq.
Bush/Cheney are Osama Bin Laden’s best friends.
raven @ 154
Raven! You’re a Cubbies fan??!!
Praedor — alas, you are from a more “sane” era, when MAD stood for Mutually Assured Destruction and both sides operated on the principle that the other side was rational.
Now MAD means truly crazy, and both sides operate under the assumption that the other is truly insane — and they may be right.
SanderO @ 155
Col Jack D. Ripper front and center!
kdh22 @ 157
Life long, Cubbies, Bears, Illini! Oskeewowow!
As to Bush going after Iran in a big way I don’t think that is going to happen. I think his chief of staff is probably smart enough to tell him that it won’t help him out. Ya, Cheney doesn’t care but Cheney doesn’t have the last word on this. And it will be tough to get the Joint Chiefs, except maybe the Air Force, to buy into this. They will need press gangs rounding up bodies to be soldiers.
Just my 2 cents… .
Vintage Kingston Trio comes to mind:
They’re rioting in Africa, they’re starving in Spain.
There’s hurricanes in Florida, and Texas needs rain.
The whole world is festering with unhappy souls.
The French hate the Germans, the Germans hate the Poles.
Italians hate Yugoslavs, South Africans hate the Dutch.
And I don’t like anybody very much!
But we can be tranquil, and thankful, and proud,
For mans’ been endowed with a mushroom-shaped cloud.
And we know for certain that some lovely day
Someone will set the spark off, and we will all be blown away.
They’re rioting in Africa, there’s strife in Iran.
What nature doesn’t do to us, will be done by our fellow man.
(sigh)
It’s very possible that Christy has a new thread ready. Someone go check.
raven @ 160
You’re a transplanted Chicagoan in GA, yes?
no more blank checks for this ill-conceived war!!!
AZ Matt @ 161
Navy & Air Force are now in charge, and the AF has ALOT of rapturites, plus they want those gold stars and rank upgrades. They are assuming that it will bombing, period. No ground war.
kdh22 @ 164
Yep, Villa Park but I lived in Champaign Urbana from 69-84. Left VP in 66 to see what Uncle Sam said.
Scarecrow @ 163
Only the 404 error thread [MOD: I see it. You might find it refreshing.]
Moderators:
There’s something demeaning about having to type “Isr*el”. Maybe you could turn off that filter, if only in a post about Iran?
Richmond @ 166
Is ‘rapturites’ a word? I like it regardless.
raven @ 158
With Major “King” Kong riding by his side.
Scarecrow @ 163
error 404
Scarecrow @ 163
not quite yet but
Richmond @ 166
A bombing campaign will spill over the borders of Aghanistan and Iraq and the Army and the Marines will have crap coming down on them.
Elliott @ 172
cruel & unusual - :-)
brendan @ 169
I noticed last night that the n word made it into the thread posting but got whacked when I pasted in rednecks by Rand Newman, tsk tsk. RHIP
Elliott @ 172
sorry my mistake — not quite ready.
the new thread is now up.
http://www.firedoglake.com/200.....than-ever/
Smgumby @ 153
They can give it their best shot…I went thru the training (the forced nakedness/humiliation, stress positions, VERY TIGHT confinement (on occassion I was packed into a buried 50gal drum for an unknown period of time), loud noise (I learned to sleep anyway), heat, cold, etc). Those like me, their trainees, aren’t quite the easy nut to crack as Joe Schmo with no clue-in. Plus, being an “insider” (military) I am far less the pushover they would expect from a terrified kid taken from a foreign field.
Don’t you worry…I wont be going anywhere :), not even Iran. I told the missus that if/when Bushie attacks Iran, there’s no way I’m going. I’ll flat out refuse to take any part in it.
raven @ 167
I forgot. We’ve had this discussion before. Didn’t know you were in Champaign though.
VP looked pretty good in comparison to what Uncle Sam had to offer, huh?
perris @ 151
This is absurd. This won’t turn into a world war (a hot one, anyway) any more than our invasion of Iraq or Israel’s of Lebanon did. The Russians and the Chinese are probably ambivalent about a U.S. attack on Iran: if one comes, it will break us the hyperpower all the sooner.
kdh22 @ 180
Well, what VP had to offer was St Charles if ya know what I’m sayin? Remind me of where you are from.
I am refreshing with my ZEDUNOFITZAROO in clip board but to no avail, I give up and relinquish to someone else
*sob*
thank you Scarecrow!
caw caw!
I think Joe Wilson is right on when he commented in the FDL thread 8/24 when he asked McKerney who he thought on the repub side he could work with that wouldn’t in the end double cross him or be forced back in line by repub leadership. Wilson also said offers of compromise are viewed as weakness on the other side & pocketed as consessions.
Someone recently said that republicans are more interested in & spent all their energy on eliminating the Democratic party than they are terrorists. Spot on accurate.
Scarecrow @ 179
errr
not quite yet
even did hard refresh
i am beginning to think this is the first of april scarecrow
carolyn urban @ 146
I’ve been hanging out at the Appraisers Forum, and the economic smoke signals are not good.
Wall Street and the Sub Prime mortgage industry perpetrated one of the biggest frauds in history, by magically repackaging BBB and BBB- sub prime mortgage backed securities into AAA bonds. The Asian and European banks can only buy AAA securities, and since they discovered the paper they bought may be worthless, they have told the American Financial Markets to go Cheney themselves.
In the past 9 months, 40% of the mortgage refinance programs have disappeared — starting with sub-prime, and now including Alt A and Jumbo. There are a huge amount of ARM mortages that are resetting to much higher payments — if people can’t refi and can’t sell, what does that mean?
I think we are headed for the biggest recession in 20 years, and maybe the biggest since the Great Depression.
How will Bush/Cheney repsond? First, bomb Iran — then call for more tax cuts for the rich, and privitization of Social Security.
I, for one, am scared shitless.
raven @ 182
‘Downstate’ Spfld. Went to ISU, so I had quite a few friends from the ‘burbs’. One of my roommates was from St. Charles.
Praedor Atrebates too bad they weren’t in a 121 huh?
Okay, to be clear, my original link was wrong — it’s to a later thread. But . . .
There is a new thread up.
sorry for the confusion.
kdh22 @ 188
It’s where the juvenile detention facility was. Springburg, loved the Fair!
perris @ 183
Try this link.
Audrey @ 130
I wasn’t weighing in on yours or Scarecrow’s opinions here. I was expressing revulsion at a Congress prepared to plea bargain with known felons among the opposition, so to speak.
raven @ 189
Jeebus…a 121 is a GOOD bit before my time…I ain’t old though college women think I am, but then I once knew a 19 year old who thought I was “old” when I was 24.
perris @ 147
ack! what to do…..
redX @ 65
That was a rhetorical question. What I meant was — if we are serious about ending this war and preventing another, why aren’t more dems supporting the candidates calling for peace? Kucinich is my choice but he’s not the only candidate who will end this war and none of them are doing well in the polls.
raven @ 191
Juvey, huh? LOL
LOL @ ‘the Fair’ too. I got a state trooper in some big trouble at the fair when I was 17 and he was 34.
The Democrats are fools what happens if Iran starts seriously supporting the Shites we can’t even control the border now. What happens when our troops are tied down in Iraq and Al Quieda decides its safe now to overthrow the Pakistani government?
Its not like Pakistani inteligence didn’t arm and train Al Quieda in the first place (sarcasm). Its not like Al Quidea already has a base of support in Pakistan so strong the Pakistani army is afraid to go after Ossama (more Sarcasm). Its not like Ossama is in Pakistan (more, more sarcasm). Its not like Pakistan is having so many riots that they were thinking of declaring military law (lots of Sarcasm).
alank @ 193
And I agree. :) It’s just this constant complaint of “not enough votes” and Trent Lott’s gloating that got me thinking that if we could twist their arms with a promise in order to get those votes, it might clear the way to holding the rest accountable. I absolutely hate the thought that they’re bargaining with Bush!! That’s a no win situation.
Morning gang. Fresh thread, up and running for everyone…
raven @ 189
So we can’t even make the airport safe yet after how many years? You would think that with all the extra surge troops we would have secured our supply routes.
Well said. And about time. Barack Obama, Hillary, horrific, the way they talk about all “options on the table.” That’s not presenting “options,” that’s a threat.
selise @ 99
They really thought they could establish a puppet and have their military bases, IMO. That they thought Chalabi would be that puppet, and that they went ahead with plans that every administration from Reagan forward rejected out ofhand doesn’t speak to their foreign policy savvy.
Do keep in mind that this came right after an apparently cheap, successful elimination of the Taliban.
Demos are too busy campaigning, stopping bush and cheney is really hard work,
although I want congress to stop BushCo in their tracks, no 50M w/o an immediate acceptance of failure and a cogent withdrawl plan, more transparency and oversight, and cooperation..
Cheney’s calculation is 2008 is lost, it will be a while before GOP can recapture whitehouse,
better do it now mr president, for the good of the country,.
of course its bullshit, like this war, honestly how could MSM even have a discussion about teh war working, when 13/18 benchmarks are missed,
Bush signed the bill in January, he accepted the terms and conditions, or he could have veto’d. now the rich kid is throwing another temper tantrum, costing more blood, treasure and reputation. which he doesn’t seem to care about anyway….
Imagine you were a fly on the wall of the rest of the world when it learned that America was the sole Superpower. What would you have heard? I assume most of the discussions could have been summarized something like this – ‘That much power is obviously potentially dangerous for all of us. But most of America’s recent violent acts were committed struggling against Fascism and Communism. There is little reason to believe America is inclined to become aggressive with us. Besides it will be extremely difficult and costly to try to do anything about it. Let’s just wait and see.’
Then George W. Bush was elected President of the United States. His administration constantly makes contradictory and confusing statements to the American people. But to the rest of the world his policies speak with a remarkably clear and consistent voice. The message to the world is – ‘America recognizes that it is the sole Superpower. It will use that power to further its interests.’ The Administration then demonstrates what it means by militarily wrecking a country, arranging a Vichy-like government, and pushing for corporate control over trillions of dollars worth of oil lying beneath the ruin.
OK. Now let’s fly back to the wall of the world. I imagine initial silence because the rest of the world’s faces are frozen in horror after witnessing massive American violence. Then, in unison, they whisper – ‘We have to do something – anything – to stop them.’
As an American, I am frustrated and angry that our government transformed our country into Darth Vader’s Empire without American consent. I am heart-sick at the thought of our noble and best being used as Imperial forces. I’m outraged that the Administration connives to use my support of exploited American troops and human decency to manipulate me into supporting reckless and risky wars and costly occupations.
Here and now there is only one useful question to ask – What can I do to get our government to accept the will of the American people? There must be many positive answers to that question. Please share some of them with me. I’m ready to listen.
This seems like the ultimate crisis point in the modern history of our country.
Since the Civil War, there has not been a faction prepared to use massive force to marginalize the will of the majority of the American people.
Kucinich is right. Money talks. Without billions for weaponry and pork BuchCo would have to leave their bombers in the hangar.
Congress has to use the power of the purse for peace NOW.
People, this is about Israel and its security situation after we reduce our role in Iraq. Israel is the 800 pound gorilla. We need to talk as a country about how far we are willing to go in defense of Israel’s policies towards the Palestinians and its neighbors. However, both political parties refuse this debate — both agree that our commitment is broad and open-ended. This is the result.
…But…But…Chimpy is about to offer help for homeowners…Helicopter Ben says the fed is ready to do what it takes…the markets are up…The latest financial crisis is undoubtedly over under this brave tough regime.
…Why would they ever attack Iran?
jayackroyd @ 203
all good points. and i don’t think that an attack on iran is a done deal… but i don’t think the risk is 0, or even 1%… there’s just too many signs of a serious attempt at getting public support for an attack.
prudence demands, imo, a proactive attempt to prevent such an attack.
Peterr @ 57
I love the image this inspires in me. I can just imagine a wild-haired laughing crazy bus driver, swigging whiskey and singing some kind of hymn and in the back there are a bunch of straight-laced clean-cut guys all strapped in with a totally scared face as white as a sheet, wearing black pants, white shirt and black tie like some Mormon evangelizers. And, as the bus starts revving up to full speed everybody looks at each other and screams because they realize it’s faarrrr too late to get out of the bus. They all thought they were safe from being thrown UNDER the bus, but now they realize the bus isn’t a safe place to be with crazy W in charge.
W: Yahoooo! We’z ahlll gonna go ta Heaven now! Yeeehaa!
Somewhere off the bus, perhaps under a tree, stands Dick Cheney, hands clasped and watching intently.
Good times.
It’s sad to wake up every morning and think - gee, I live in a country where the vast majority of people are actually content to live in the reality of Orwell’s ‘1984′, where war is a constant, dissent is punished by retaliation, and the citizens are kept drugged, fed and lied to. So what can be done? Nothing short of drastic measures, and sadly, that kind of behavior is just not in Harry Reid’s blood.
Praedor Atrebates @ 140
Excellent idea!
ironranger @ 185
Well, if that’s true, they should spend more time talking to us here in America. I don’t know of any Dems in Iran and hardly any in Iraq (probably a dozen or so journalists).
No, sadly, it appears Bush & Co have megalomaniacal insanity syndrome and can’t quite stop themselves. They need an intervention from their “friends” in Congress.
What makes the writer believe that “the only thing Bush/Cheney need is money” to launch their war on Iran?
What is to prevent President Bush from just ordering the strikes any time he wants, with or without authorization or money?
Has that stopped him from any of his actions in the past?
Before Bush runs out the clock to January 2009, America will be bogged down in three losing wars instead of two. and we can enjoy listening to the White House team declaring “the momentum is with us” in every one of them.
You would think there is no more important story than this right now. It is so clear what these guys are planning to do and yet no one - with the exception of you guys and Glenn Greenwald - is on top of this. Clearly if we know what’s up, then the news organizations know, those in power - on the Dem side - know. And yet we don’t hear a peep out of anyone. This is truly scary. As that Minneapolis cop that snared Craig said, “No wonder we’re going down the tubes.”
Is not Iran providing the terrorists in Iraq with bombs that kill our soldiers? Did their Proxie not bomb the barracks in 1996?
Seems that Iran is at war with us…
I think the Democratic leadership is in on the Iran attack deal. It would explain their sheep-like behavior and it certainly makes Lieberman’s actions make sense (from his and the Israel point of view)
I’ve been confident that Gates and the Joint Chiefs would stop a surprise attack. Now that we have learned that the White House submitted to congress a request for an additional $50 billion for the war and that Gates learned about it in the morning paper I guess my confidence was misplaced.
I guess Gates is going to do his Powell imitation. That is to be ignored and humiliated, and take it lying down.
What a brilliant post–thank you, Scarecrow.
I am all in favor of a change in Democratic leadership. I fear that even with the best, most progressive Democrats representing us in the House and Senate, with these idiots in leadership positions, they won’t have much of a chance of getting anything meaningful done.
It would also, IMHO, be great to have a progressive president like Kucinich in charge, because he is not swayed by crap. He has always done the honorable thing, even with the Repubs. in charge, and he continues to do so. Right now he has HR 333 on the books to impeach Cheney, and HR 676 as a co-sponsor for single-payer, universal health care.
That would help.
gdog @ 216
Nope.
Proof: the American aircraft carriers off Iran are still afloat.
It’s just as well Iran isn’t at war with the US. The US would lose such a war, especially after p*ssing its entire army down the Iraq sinkhole. Bombs do not win wars, not by themselves.
Smarter monkeys, please.
I think that the invading force into Iran should be those of us who have no health insurance in the US. That way, we won’t be so niave to expect good care from the VA once we get hurt, and no one will miss us, who matters, if we die.
Who’s going to do the fighting?
The troops are exhausted, their equipment is tired and the reserves…..?
John B.
I’m glad that people in the blogosphere have caught on to this. But, I’m ashamed that the democrats haven’t. I’ve known they were going to attack Iran since the axis of evil speech and subsequent invasion of iraq. The step to Iran was only a matter of time. If he could justify a pointless war in Iraq, he could definitely justify one in Iran. At least they have uranium. Still no weapons, but, hey 2 out of 3 ain’t bad.
I have no idea of how they are going to fight this war. I also don’t think that they realize the difficulties that this war will cause in creating peace in the middle east. If anything, we are probably on the gates of starting the third world war (or fourth, if you believe that the cold war was the third). I might need to start building that bomb shelter under my basement.
Not that Corpress listens to him, but Wes Clark has been beating the drums for quite some time now, urging us to get involved to Stop War with Iran before it starts, including joining with VoteVets.org to provide us with useful tools. (Use the “Take Action” and “Supplies” links.)
Hard Rain Journal 3-30-07: A Call to Conscience and Common Sense from Gen. Wes Clark, and an Update on the War OF, BY and FOR Terrorism
I think this is a very cynical two-fer for the Republicans. First, they get the war they want; second, by dragging the Democrats along, they are sure to peel a large number of disgusted voters away from the Dems in 2008.
It’s brilliant, in a dark way.
Audrey @ 26
I’m stuck as well, its very frustrating. You could get together with groups of people who can’t make it to DC, and go to your state capital to protest there. I know that ANSWER is also still looking for people to help fund more buses so people who can’t afford to go can get on the bus anyway (like an “adopt a protester”). Flooding e mails, faxes, and phone lines with words of protest in lieu of physically being there is another good idea.
Scarecrow, great post. I’m new to FDL but I saw your post on Alternet so I came on over to have a look see. Unfortunately, its not surprising in the least bit to me.
I forgot to add, I think its laughable, but not funny that just a few short years ago Bush was quoted saying we had “No plans to attack Iran.”. And now, we do. Euorasia is our enemy, Euorasia is our ally… Sound familiar?
Anok
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