Thus far, we have an NIE assessment that is less than rosy. The leader of Iraq says that the escalation is not reducing violence there — it’s just shuffling it around in a more intense version of whack-a-mole.
And this morning, we have a leaked GAO report that says that the Iraqi government has failed to meet all but 3 of 18 political benchmarks. And we hear that the report was leaked by someone at the GAO who feared that the Bushies would tart it up (read: Cheney would blue pencil it) for public consumption. (What does it say when an official at an independent government watchdog agency fears that the President’s minions will tamper with a report like this? Has this been happening frequently the last few years? Shouldn’t we be asking that question?)
What is most compelling, though, is this speech given by an Iraq vet at a public forum in Minnesota. (Huge H/T to Kate for linking this up in the comments):
…I learned what it was like to live in constant fear of dying in an explosion. Every time a soldier leaves the base they are waiting for an anonymous roadside bomb to take away their limbs, their eyes, their ability to function or their lives. It gets to the point that it is almost a relief when one goes off, at least you get to think about something else when you are dealing with the fall-out.
I learned to be extremely wary of the Iraqi soldiers and police officers. They had outposts all over the city, but some how they never saw or heard anything when we were attacked. At some point the decision was made to station Iraqi army regulars on our base. For some reason the mortar attacks we endured every few days became more accurate and many of the raids that we went on with them were exercises in futility because the targets seemed to know that American soldiers were on the way before we ever left the wire.
I learned what cruel irony was when a female soldier we’d never worked with before got added to a routine patrol with us. The truck that she was in got hit by an anti-tank rocket, and an anti-tank rocket is a nasty thing. It has an explosive to penetrate armor, and a secondary explosive that detonates inside the vehicle. If it hadn’t been for her last minute addition to the patrol that Christmas Eve, her seat would have been empty and her tiny body wouldn’t have been there to catch that secondary explosion, and four of my brothers might have been taken instead. The irony of the situation was that when she got out of the army, she was going to become a nun. Because of that fact, her sacrifice has been the only one that I have found any meaning in….
I learned how to cope with the torment of suicidal thoughts, and that I’m not alone in that. A handful of guys from my unit confessed to me that they are plagued with the same thoughts. If that’s not bad enough, a few developed a nasty little habit known as cutting. If you’re unfamiliar with the term I’ll outline it for you. When someone experiences severe emotional trauma or is put in a position where they must numb themselves from life they may seek to feel something else. Sitting alone in a room with a knife, they cut themselves, and they feel something else.
These are some of the lessons that the men and women who fight on your behalf are learning every single day. These are the burdens that we carry for the rest of our lives. I won’t speak to the legitimacy of this war tonight, but I ask that as you contemplate it you remember that there are nearly four thousand dead American soldiers, seven times as many wounded and no one comes home undamaged. For those of you who want to do something but are hesitant for whatever reason, I implore you to get active on behalf of the men and women who risk everything for us. Your voice does matter, and NOW is the time to a stand.
Congressman Ramstad, I ask you to justify your continued support of President Bush’s policies in Iraq. When a person decides that they will risk their life for their country, they cross a bridge that few do, and they gain a wisdom that few have. I have crossed that sacred bridge, and Congressman Ramstad I tell you that this war is not worth the blood that it costs to fuel it. The next time you are faced with a vote concerning the war, side with America, and side with the troops that live and die defending her. Bring the troops home, and give us the care that we need and deserve.
Stop listening to the pundits — they’ll only recommend a couple more FUs. (If you missed the rebroadcast of Moyers’ “Buying the War,” do take a peek here.) Elected officials need to hear from their constituents — not just from lobbyists and pundits. Make sure they hear your voice today. The time for accountability is now…
(Photo via soldiersmediacenter, taken by Staff Sgt. Stacy L. Pearsall. Great shot — you can feel the tension in it. Well done.)
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‘allooooo…
zed
hi
mornin all!
Closer and closer. One day I’m gonna get it!
Smgumby @ 5
From the post:
You could always try to be the first to reach your representative.
(When the staffer answers the phone, though, don’t shout out “zed!” It might scare them.)
I’m disenheartened by how little we heard from the Dem leadership overall. It’s like they went into complete hiding. What gives?
Also, EPU’d: someone asked about the Libyan torture case. Here’s the linky: HIV trial in Libya
This speech is truly heartbreaking. No one should have to endure what our troops have been forced to endure. A lot of broken veterans are going to return from these wars, and the Bush admin’s planning for the consequences of this are even worse than their planning for the occupation.
Great speech. The blogger BigE is looking for a video. What a youtube!
Truth!? What truth?! We do’nt need no stinkin’ Truth!!!
This was nice to read this morning over at TPM, where Spencer Ackerman describes how Conyers is preparing to hold immediate hearings and propose changes to FISA to deal with at least some of the outrageousness of the last-minute adjustments made earlier this month. Says Ackerman:
I like that “relentless pressure from liberals in the House” part.
More like that, please.
Elected officials???? When I wrote Kay Bailey about the attorney firings, she wrote back and actually said ‘Clinton did it too but worse cuz he fired all of them at the first of his presidency’. I cannot even express my outrage that these Republicans continue to receive support from my fellow citizens. My most fervent hope is that GeoW and Dick both end up at The Hague on trial for crimes against humanity.
how eloquent is THIS?
well done Iraqi veteran, very well done
Peterr at 12 — My understanding is that Pelosi has actually been driving some of this — that she’s one of the people pushing it forward. Someone’s trying to take credit for her efforts, methinks. That’s fine, so long as the job gets done, but it’s the Blue Dogs who had been tying everyone’s hands — and I think the efforts that Matt Stoller has been pushing on that front are bearing fruit faster than we imagined.
There’s never any one actor making things shift on the Hill. I try to always keep that in mind when something jumps out as a “look what I did.” pronouncement. Just a little grain of salt to keep in mind…
peanutbutter @ 7
I’m disenheartened by how little we heard from the Dem leadership overall. It’s like they went into complete hiding. What gives?
If you were an elected Dem representative, leaving D.C. immediately after the FISA fiasco, wouldn’t you be hiding too?
But you’re very right. The R’s have controlled any and all messaging done in August (including the Larry Craig message, heh) – the D’s are completely AWOL.
I had hoped to see, or at least read about, more D’s getting their asses handed to them in public settings – I guess that’s why they’ve gone underground…
Cutting? That’s a really bad sign.
Not that anyone paying attention needs any more signs …
Christy Hardin Smith @ 15
Agreed.
I think Pelosi has a tough job trying to ride herd on the House Dems. That’s why I like the part about “relentless pressure” from the progressives in the House. It seems as if the BushDogs have been running the show, and it’s good to see some pushback.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 15
I am going to make a leap to conclusion that is founded on nothing more then my own personal speculation;
remember bush didn’t want to investigate the cia exposure?
remember he was pressured into it be the cia themselves?
they were holding something over his head, of this I think we can be sure
then the president commuited irvings sentence..and no further investigation took place
errr
I say this, I believe the cia has given congress a boat load of info
so important they were able to get rove to resign, abu torture to resign
when irving was first commuted I said I believe there will be embarrasing information that will be released because of it
I say it’s the cia
I do hope they find a you tube of this, since that seems to have more impact in our visual age, but my god! How eloquent! I am in tears.
Such a moving speech. If only he could address Congress altogether.
Not to depress everyone, but in hopes of mobilizing, please take a look at this morning’s Juan Cole re: Cheney’s plans to mobilize approval to bomb Iran beginning next week: Let’s stop him in his tracks.
Bearpaw at 17 — Daniel Zwerdling at NPR has done a series of reports on the appalling lack of psych help for soldiers that the military makes available. (This links up a couple of reports on Ft. Carson, for example.) The more I look at information on this, the more I see a cycle of violence and mental health crisis and finally a spill-over into the criminal justice system because the mental health safety net is so loosely put together for these folks.
If anyone thinks that the violence in Iraq isn’t going to spillover for folks back home, think again. These soldiers deserve so much better from all of us…so much better.
Peterr @ 18
Astute analysis. That’s why we’re here.
Thankyou much, folks!
Similar “tarting up” of a report on election fraud and voter intimidation is reported by Tova Andrea Wang in the Washington Post Today. A good read.
Perris, I agree with your CIA assessment.
Keep it up Christy,
This “you work for us” tour is such a worthwhile endeavor.
The other day, someone in the comments was wishing there was an attention grabber like the Rubber Stamp delivery to do now.
I Think the simple “you work for us” slogan may be the germ of an event. Maybe bumper stickers? Tee shirts? I don’t know
Adie @ 23
I linked to thisyesterday
perris @ 14
Thanks, Kate, for sharing this with us. I can only hope that Jim Ramstad ‘heard’ him! Ramstad is my congressman, and is so entrenched, I don’t see how we can get rid of him!
Thanks for this powerful piece. And for the shout out on Moyers amazing “Buying the War.” As we buckle down for the new onslaught not just to renew the surge, but also to bomb Iran, it is a telling reminder of how both the media and the Pols moved to shore up the drive to war effort – even Oprah for god sake.
I hope we can do a better job this time, and that the Dems will do better than they have to date. Alas I think the same powers are at play.
Anyone know how the pro-war “Freedom” TV clip is being received. Have they actually shown it? Have any news shows discussed the identities of the five people who are behind it?
A couple things in the Post this morning:
op-ed about censored/rigged report on voter intimidation and fraud:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01928.html
Less interestingly, an officer in Iraq shilling for the surge:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01926.html
Gnome de Plume @ 25
and if I am correct, since we know it was cheney that exposed the asset, then cheney will be forced into resignation
that’s if it is the cia fueling this information
David @ 13
Don’t you love the vague little responses you get from KBH? First she insults your intelligence with her nonresponsive responses and then she uses snail mail to do so. I have begged them to use e mail, to no avail. They have killed an entire forest replying to me.
A no-holds-back gut wrenching confession….
I wonder if it will fall on deaf ears….
perris @ 31
That falls right in with what “anon” on TPM has said. In that scenario, this all makes sense.
perris @ 31
Be still my beating heart!
perris @ 19
Any guess at what sort of thing? At the same time I am worried about all this “noise” of an imminent attack here (surely CIA as well). I see this as part of the lead up to the Iran bombing. Somehow they will find a “link” there, I fear (madeup or otherwise).
Good morning, everyone.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 22
This is absolutely correct. The son of a good friend of mine, just returned from his third tour of Iraq, blandly informed us at a cookout the other night that he is going to become an undercover narc….”because that’s the only job in America that will just let you shoot people.”
That’s what he said, with no guile or snark whatsoever.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 15
I have to think that Pelosi isn’t stupid enough to think that everything would be just peachy. Has she not realized by now the outrage people are feeling over the Dems caving yet again to Mr 28%? She controls what is voted on. It sounds like she is more afraid of the RWNM than she is of “the people”.
RonD – how is your wife doing?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 22
So true. When I first began working in Psych Emergency in 1982 I was struck at how many cases were vet-related. Not only the VN vets themselves, but their depressed wives (sometimes victims of domestic violence) their stressed/depressed/abused children (abused by fathers and sometimes mothers)–not to mention the substance abuse issues that affected many many men, women and teenagers. I think–substance abuse-wise–we are still seeing the effects of that wave.
And this wave will be worse. Because close-head trauma is very very odd–and can inhibit planning, impulse control and other aspects of personality. And people can’t see it and may not understand what’s going on. We should be training large groups of professionals NOW.
Richmond @ 36
I just want to know if the traditional media will be compliant again. if they do, and the Decider orders an attack on Iran, then the traditional media desrves to be put out of business. Tweety … The Big Punkinhead … CNN … the four networks .. the NYT .. the WaPo … all of them
Hi, JF. She’s doing well. Asleep on the couch as we speak, me hovering close by. :)
Christy Hardin Smith @ 22
Christy you are *so* absolutely *right.* I have been thinking this for some weeks now. These vets have had their brains re-arranged and the damage will definitely lead to violence at home as they try to work though their experiences, with or without adequate help.
The report of cutting is very bad news. As is the constant suicidal ideation among troups. This form of warfare is far more damaging than past forms.
All consequences of a psychotic, sociopathic policy brought to us by psychotic sociopaths.
*tears*
Peterr @ 6
I actually went to see my congressman the other day. Wasn’t first there either. I was like 150th in line.
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 38
For what it’s worth, there is a Post article today on the subject of the “relentless pressure” from the grass roots on FISA:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..02355.html
[sigh] It’s only August 30th. There’s another round of funding to go through and the Democrats…there is far too much time for things to stay static, I swear, something has to give somewhere.
I’ve detached as an Independent for my health. It makes perfect sense that Bush will leave office will everything essentially as it is now per Iraq, but I still find it hard to believe. I won’t be the only one desperately trying to make adjustments..at least I’m still talking with my people and I got a little project for the community to work on, it helps. A horrible amount of Democratic base anguish is coming this Fall, there seems to be no way to stop it. It would be good to stop it, or calm it somehow.
RonD: Hope she feels better soon. Did you tell her that Craig is not gay?
Perris at 27
Thanks. Yes, I saw that.
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 41
Agreed. But how do we counter it? If the protest marches don’t get reportedand we get flashing red lights on all the news shows shouting out WAR-WAR-WAR in every hotel elevator and bank lobby (to say nothing of home television sets) what tools can we use to counter?
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 41
For the most part, the media doesn’t seem to be giving the Iran business the same attention they gave Iraq. Most of what I see here at FDL seems to be going on in the background.
I can’t decide if this is good, or not. On one hand, Bush’s message about Iran doesn’t seem to have the potency Iraq did because a lot of his message is not getting qround.
On the other hand, he’s able to do a lot of buildup behind the scenes. Once it does start to hit the front pages, it may be too late.
That letter is chilling.
Brian Baird says soldiers have “earned more time” to keep fighting in Iraq. One wonders what they would have “earned” if they’d screwed it all up.
This gives new meeting to “follow us home” tag line.
This is not just following us home, it is being drug here by every returning person who serves in Iraq without proper post war support. Ticking time bombs that can and will spill over into our everyday life.
As the child of a WWII Vet who fought and survived Tarawa, I learned what PTSD was before there was any name for it. Thankfully my wonderful Dad used to take himself out to the woods for a few days of research (he was a Wildlife Biologist) until it passed. To this day at 84, he still has occasional problems.
Re: Conyers saying that impeachment is not off the table for *him*…
I truly wonder whether an impeachment, successful or not, of Cheney, or even Cheney resigning as Veep, would really reduce his power or influence sufficiently so as to stop him from “instructing” that a War-With-Iran initiative be rolled out this September…
brendan @ 45
In many ways countering FISA will be alot easier for the Dems (and rethugs) than countering the move afoot to bomb Iran.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 15
I agree..Both Pelosi and Reid are in tough positions. In most cases they don’t have the votes. What outsiders see a cowardly politics maybe the best they can do. In the current situation, there isn’t any leverage to kick ass. Hopefully after’08 that will change. It’s easy to criticize from the sidelines; it’s called “The Courage of the non-Combatant”.
Jane at 51 — I so hope that someone is able to get a YouTube up of this from the public meeting. I’d love to see it.
But, hey, it’s worth it.
Stand Firm.
Stay the Course.
Smgumby @ 44
Yeah! Nifty effect, when the honorable Mr/Ms congresscritter feels the need to had out numbers in a crowded office.
David @ 13
Since it seems that the Loyal Bushies are using the “If Bill Clinton Did It, Then George Can Too” litmus test, I’m seriously considering writing to Bill Clinton and asking him to jump off the edge of the Grand Canyon without any safety devices – for the good of the country.
Jane Hamsher @ 51
Yup, that’s what he told us. There was an individual filming from the back of the room, so the video is out there somewhere…
jayt @ 53
I am remembering that no one even know who works on Cheny’s staff or what evil is being plotted in that place.
Lots of bright shinys, as they head for Iran.
Idaho Statesman Throws Craig Under the Bus:
LINK
Idaho, a laughingstock!
Christy Hardin Smith @ 15
if alter’s reporting is correct, it wasn’t the blue dogs who decided to go with the s.1927 instead of the negotiated version…. it was the leadership (especially conyers).
‘course alter’s reporting could be all wrong, but based on the time line of what actually happened – it sure looked like it was a leadership decision (i can’t see any other way to interpret it).
what i guess has happened is that the outrage (thank you aclu for a great ad and christy and everyone who’s been pushing back) has had an affect on the congressional leadership. i’m just hoping it’s for real, and not more kabuki.
Sewmouse @ 59
Good ole KayBH. She makes my skin crawl. Anyone ever see her back? Betcha there’s a key there.
AZ Matt @ 62
There was a great post on a previous thread: He’s not gay! He’s an Idahomosexual!
Bearpaw @ 17
Sadly, I would expect this desperate condition to fall within the exclusions being invented by the military to prevent soldiers from recieving mental health treatment.
What is it they’re calling it? Pre-existing mental disorder?
AZ Matt @ 62
We simply must mount a concerted disinfo campaign to implore Larry Craig to stand and fight. Keep that millstone around the GOPerv neck.
While at the meeting the Brian Baird, I passed him a written invitation to come to the lake and host a forum on his position. I don’t suppose he got in touch….
Yeah, maybe it wasn’t my place to invite, but I saw Christy (I think) leave an open invitation, so I thought I would make it official.
I am remembering that no one even know who works on Cheny’s staff or what evil is being plotted in that place.
Lots of bright shinys, as they head for Iran.
yeah, that’s what I meant. Cheney has govt agencies so thoroughly seeded with his own psycho-soldiers that I don’t think that he really needs the trappings of office anymore to have his will enforced.
iHeartFoulMouthedFemBloggers @ 67
you know what?
too many republicans are on board with this resignation thing, I think this is a shiny object
craig is toast, everyone knows he’s toast, yet he hangs on
then all the repukelicans start getting on him to resign, hannity just about calls him a liar.
I call shiny object
selise @ 63
Sadly, the only thing that would really get their attention are primary challanges. Especially to those in safe seats. If Pelosi can’t keep her caucus together on important votes, what hope is there? It’s obvious they are still a lot more afraid of the RWNM. I have no clue why. They’ll get attacked by the RWNM regardless of what they do. They might as well do the right thing.
peanutbutter @ 7
What democratic leadership is that of which you speak? Or maybe I should say, what makes anyone think that Dems have leadership at this point? I haven’t seen much evidence of it. Even when one of them tries to lead, the others don’t seem to have the good sense to follow, anyway (re: Russ Feingold & censure.)
AZ Matt @ 62
Not too too far away, Wyoming and the sad fate of student Matthew Shepard some years ago. These super-macho closet queens, who weild tremendous political power but refuse to own up to reality, instead pandering to the vicious hate-speech crowd, bear some responsibility there. Craig earns no sympathy from me.
Steve-AR @ 55
on fisa, pelosi did have the votes to pass the not nearly so bad negotiated version (instead of the administration version) – that’s one reason i think it must have been a leadership decision to pass the administration version instead.
selise at 75 — I do think the push-back from grassroots on this has been an eye-opener for a lot of folks on the Hill. And they ain’t seen nothing yet, either…
Ann in AZ @ 73
I agree. What’s with Conyers. He was at some function in Michigan earlier this week and said impeachment wasn’t off the table(probably more geared towards Darth Vader and others down the list). What I want to know is, why hasn’t Conyers started it already. What’s the hold up? Was he saying that just to throw red meat to the base? If so, someone better call him on it. I know the speech is out there on YouTube.
BTW, to everyone who was so kind to and supportive of me yesterday morning, thank you from the bottom of my heart.
Adie @ 74
AZ Matt @ 62
Not too too far away, Wyoming and the sad fate of student Matthew Shepard some years ago. These super-macho closet queens, who wield tremendous political power but refuse to own up to reality, instead pandering to the vicious hate-speech crowd, bear some responsibility there. Craig earns no sympathy from me.
RonD at 78 — How is your wife doing today? I’m sure you are pampering her, but do tell her we’re all wishing her well.
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 72
i think it’s possible to get their attention with action short of primary challenges (although 1 or 2 instructive cases wouldn’t hurt). don’t you think all the noise that is being made now about hearings and new legislaton is in response to what they’ve been hearing from us, the aclu, etc?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 76
It’s an eye opener now? Where have they been this past year?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 76
bless you christy! i am so heartened by your “they work for us” posts and actions. thank you, thank you!
sorry about double-post folks.
dear mods: is there any way to revisit a post to correct spelling *blush* and avoid double trubble?
apologies
How come Bob Allen got away with his bathroom nastiness?
from wiki: Bob Allen is a Life Member of the National Rifle Association. He typically votes Republican on most issues. He received the designation “Wicked Witch” which is reserved for “The Worst of the Worst” from the central Florida-based Rainbow Democratic Club, a Gay & Lesbian civil rights organization.[2] Allen sponsored a failed bill in the Florida legislature (HB 1475) to criminalize masturbating in front of someone else, regardless of age of the participants or consent given.
AZ Matt @ 62
Not compared to Alaska – we’ve even got father-son tag teams up here.
RonD @ 77
(((((RonD and family)))))
Love and energy coming your way from the pups.
Interesting Slate.com article, Sorry, Mr. President, You’re All Out of Troops.
Solution? Attack Iran?
When will that storm hit?
A preview of coming attractions?
On the GOP side, Rep. Jerry Porter (R-NV3) reports back on his dog-and-pony show tour of Iraq, where he saw a slightly different show than the one the vet highlighted in this post has been on. From the Las Vegas Review-Journal:
To a person? It will be interesting to see what happens if Petraeus says this to the whole Congress, in public. Somehow, I don’t think folks in Congress will let an “assessment” like that slide without a little elaboration.
And while we’re at it, I wonder what Rep Porter’s assessment of an invasion of Iran would be. If this is what would happen if we left Iraq and went home, what would happen if we left Iraq and moved into Iran? Maybe Porter ought to be talking to the White House, to calm down Bush and Cheney.
Joe Klein at 82 — Buried in the minutiae of re-vamping the budgets, trying to come to grips with strategy on shifting policy in Iraq, dealing with investigations of fraud, waste, abuse and cronyism…you name it.
It’s not like there isn’t a shitload of work to be done and, frankly, the GOP congress didn’t bother doing much of it once they lost the election in November. The Dems have had to pick up from a standstill — and that was always going to mean that some things got prioritized incorrectly. Let’s just call the You Work For Us Summer Tour a little assist in a course correction for the better.
We live in a little bubble here with the luxury of calling plays from the stands, with some hindsight and space to see the bigger picture. They have to make these same calls inside the bubble and very, very quickly — and they make mistakes that way. Sometimes big ones. That they are willing to correct course, though, is a very good thing — and something we should all push them toward, and support when they do so — because governing is a helluva lot harder than most people ever consider. Especially when you are dealing with a petulant moron who thinks of nothing but his own ego satisfaction on the other side of PA Avenue.
I wonder why the Republics haven’t shipped Craig off to undergo weeks of intensive counseling by conservative, christian ministers? That always works to keep their supporters in line, right?
selise @ 81
Yes, it is. But as the FISA vote proved they still are willing to cave on important matters. After all, do we need to constantly remind them of the oath they took? The one about that “piece of paper” called the Constitution.
Ed*ard Teller @ 86
we noticed, heh. such merriment. whut’s in that AK air, anyway? grizzly indeed ;->
But then, OH’s got Voinotwich. NO, we don’t wanna trade! We’re gonna beat ‘im fair ‘n square. Jus’ gotta get those votes counted, is all…. *sigh*
Adie @ 93
I am personally steamed the more aggregous crime isn’t discussed
craig plad guilty to peeping, this to me is far more serious then soliciting consensual sex
RonD @ 78
{{{{{RonD}}}}}
We’re still here for ya’.
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 92
yes, we need to constantly remind them. they need to know they will catch hell from us for something like the fisa cave.
at least that’s the conclusion i’ve come to watching recent events.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 90
Not just a standstill — the Dems had to finish up LAST YEAR’S APPROPRIATIONS that had been left unfinished by the GOP-controlled congress of 2006. You know, the spending bills that should have been passed by October 2006? Before they could move ahead with anything else, that big piece of leftover business had to be disposed of.
Love the Summer Tour, Christy. I’m anxious to hear what all the Distinguished Ladies and Gentlemen of the Congress of the United States of America learned over their summer vacations.
“To a person, they said there would be genocide, gas prices in the U.S. would rise to eight or nine dollars a gallon, al-Qaida would continue its expansion, and Iran would take over that portion of the world if we leave,” Porter said Wednesday in a phone interview from Las Vegas.
Is it safe to assume that if this is what is being predicted in Bizarro Bush World, the exact opposite will happen?
-GSD
(((RonD and Mrs. RonD)))
Christy Hardin Smith @ 90
CHS:
You are right. I just thought the Dems would be more prepared than they were. After all, didn’t Conyers hold those hearings the the Capitol basement? I never thought governing was easy. I just hoped that the Dems would act like they were in the majority(especially in the House).
selise at 96 — Exactly. The sad thing is that, up until the last year or so, the only side any of the elected officials were hearing from on legal and/or constitutional issues was the Right. Liberal groups have completely allowed the ball to drop and roll over to the side into the weeds on these issues. I’m actually working up a post on that for today or tomorrow — I’m chasing down some more info at the moment on it.
Digging into the Southwick nomination as a point of interest has been a serious eye opener. And I was pretty damned cynical to start with…
Peterr @ 89
What utter crap. Oil is a totally fungible commodity that will find its way to market irrespective of transient political conditions anywhere in the world, even within the oil-producing regions. The only way you can appreciably raise retail prices longer-term is to destroy production, refining, and distribution capacity everywhere.
But, “BOOOOOOOO!!!!!”
Joe Klein’s conscience at 76 says:
August 30th, 2007 at 7:50 am
I saw a headline somewhere that I failed to follow up on that went something like “Conyers says Pelosi cannot stop him from submitting articles of impeachment.” So much to read; so little time…But I do wonder what that was all about. However, I have a theory: If we can’t even get a majority to vote for censure, which surely is warranted by the Bush’s and Cheney’s behavior, how can we ever get even a reasonable consideration for impeachment? This current crew of Dems appear to be mostly Dinos with little or no judgment, and most of their judgment seems reserved for considering only political consequences.
GSD @ 97
Rush Limbaugh, Summer of 2000:
If you vote for Al Gore, within a few years you’ll be paying $2.00 a gallon for gas. Think about it!
Limbaugh was right. Gore isn’t president and we’re NOT paying $2.00 a gallon for fuel.
Hey Christy,
Did you ever look at the contract announcements on Global Security.Org?
It is amazing to see how much money pours into the defense industry coffers.
August contract announcements.
-GSD
Ann in AZ @ 103
the link to the story is at post 27
You guys are the best. Thank you again from underneath the bottom of my heart. :)
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 100
i think, initially, the congressional leadership thought that the best strategy for nov 2008 was not to confront bush – at least not to the point of a showdown… sorta like more rope for bush = more failure for bush = more votes for dems in 2008?
hopefully our leadership is now re-evaluating that strategy and realizing that we actually expect some results…
selise @ 74
I think you are right..I think they made the political calculation that since the WH was going to do whatever they wanted to do; regardless of the law..why take the political risk. The upside to trying to block the fisa “thing” was small if any the downside was huge. Playing political defense in the run up to ‘08 may be the right thing to do for the leadership. If ‘08 isn’t a blow out, across the board, for Dems, it’s all over.
OT: There are 23,000 condos on the market in Miami, and 25,000 more are expected to become available in the next two years.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com…..1796.story
It’s fun to watch the Texas senators jockey each other for the best position in front of the cameras. Cornyn always tries to elbow Hutchinson out of his wsy and she unfailingly shows her disapproval as she pushes back.
selise @ 108
well you’re right, that’s what they thought but they had no reason to think that…the ratings of whoever confronted the president soared
they should have known confrontation to this administration was what the majority of Americans demanded
ET,
I want to pick up Limbaugh’s book and re-read the chapter’s about congress.
Back when Clinton was in office the argument was that the President was a ceremonial role and the congress was designed to be the real power of the government.
Funny how those bedrock principles change like the seasons.
Geat for a chuckle.
-GSD
perris @ 106
And here is the link to the video:
http://video.google.com/videop…..9028588216
GSD @ 104
I see the private head-hunting firm for the National Guard got a nice little contract.
Docupak, Pelham, Ala., was awarded on June 28, 2007, a delivery order amount of $10,000,000 as part of a $472,500,000 firm-fixed-price contract for support of the Guard Recruiting Assistance Program.
Half a Billion – not bad…
Ed*ard Teller @ 104
707!
btw, just a heads up for everyone: Looks like I’ll be doing Sam Seder’s show on Air America Sunday afternoon around 5 pm ET.
perris @ 112
What do you do when confronted with a bully? You don’t back down. That will only embolden the bully further. You have to fight back. It’s amazing the Dems don’t understand that.
Perris at 105 and Joe Klein’s conscience at 113, Thanks! I noticed that just now. It doesn’t pay to be a slow reader.
Frank Probst @ 110
The Bush tax cuts just keep on working!
Steve-AR @ 108
The problem with this — the thing that makes it so hard to restore FISA legislation — is that the same rotten reasoning will pertain even under a Democratic president: will she want to risk being blamed for an attack “on her watch” by adhering to rule of law under the Constitution?
No he doesn’t make things worse, if he can stave off this inevitable collapse until the next President takes office. Then the withdrawals, and the inevitable “loss” of Iraq, will be blamed on the Democrats.
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 118
EXCELLANT analogy, excellant
brendan @ 121
yes, and i think a dem congress would be even less likely to push back against a dem president. that’s one of the reasons that what happens now really matters. we can’t keep kicking the can down the road on this.
…. or on the environment, or on our foreign policy, or on our economy. we’re just digging ourselves in deeper.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 15
Like my dissertation advisor used to say, you can get a lot more done if you don’t claim credit for it.
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 118
It’s the John Kerry “We’re too well bred for that” stuff. The Republican Party was taken over and assimilated by bullies and school yard thugs and has basically become unrecognizable as any sort of party where intelligent discourse can take place. The Democrats have never fought back because they were afraid they’d be getting their hands dirty and that if they did, the thugs would come after them worse. Well, we’ve seen where that has gotten them. And they still put coinage in that whole “soft on terrorism” boogyman – they need to understand that the GOP is going to beat them up with that stick NO MATTER WHAT. Better for them to stand up for principle and get beaten up around the ears than to cave in to those thugs. My two cents.
Knut — Exactly so. *g*
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 117
As far as civil liberties, wiretaps, police state tactics, maybe 25% of the public cares. In my non-scientific evaluation of polls on a lot of topics, my guess is ~ 45% of the population is supportive the Republican party police state agenda and another 20% have other thing to worry about. The War and, if things get worse, the economy are the confrontation points for the Dems; but it’s back to the fact that the leadership doesn’t have the votes.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 127
And like a good doctoral student, Knut even footnoted the source of his wisdom, not claiming credit for it himself. *G*
sunsin @ 122
Creating a mess that others have to fix has been George W. Bush’s lifetime strategy. It will be disappointing to watch Bush preen and strut in retirement while claiming that nothing was his fault.
Here’s an example of fighting spirit:
“But others are pessimistic. Hastings said that Congress will probably be consumed with the Iraq war through the fall. He predicted that administration officials will announce that the current permissive law has thwarted terrorist attacks and saved lives but will withhold details as classified. “Then Bush walks all the way to the end of his administration with no changes,” he said.”
Or this:
“If you just say you’re standing up for civil liberties, the American people are with you, but if you say terrorism suspects should have civil liberties, it stretches Americans’ tolerance,” said Sen. Benjamin L. Cardin (D-Md.), who along with Hastings represents Congress on the Commission on Security and Cooperation in Europe, a human rights monitor. “It’s a tough issue for us.”
It’s tough.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..id=topnews
The votes in September are the last shot to make a difference on Iraq during this presiden’t tenure. If congress doesn’t stop him now- the Iraq nightmare will continue through it’s sixth year. The only effective thing congress can do is to stop the funds and they won’t.
Clusterfuck will have a free hand with Iraq for the next 16 months.
rwcole @ 132
Won’t he be busy searching for a few wounded veterans to serve as props at his daughter’s wedding?
rw at 131 — I just do not understand how we can all sit back from here and see the weak-assed hand that the Bush Administration is trying to bluff it’s way through, and the folks elected to Congress on the Democratic end of things are so lost in the “fear of being Daschled” weeds. Like I said to selise, I’m working on something on this — most likely for tomorrow at the rate I’m going getting call-backs…
jayt @ 53
Very good point!
Christy Hardin Smith @ 15
The implicit threat of primary races that Matt is making may have an impact. If the Blue Dogs have actually talked to constituents, they have to know they are vulnerable. If you have a district like Tauser’s or Gilbrandt’s, you need to discover that you’re at far greater risk in a primary for not supporting withdrawal than you are in a general for supporting it.
Seeing constituents this last month is step 1 in that discovery process. Step 2 is Howie or Matt recruiting an opponent.
As I’ve said before, the Washington Consensus is for an extended, even indefinite occupation. Democrats think they’re safe in the current climate because of Republican self-immolation. There’s nowhere else for Democrats to go in the general elections, so they see greater safety in the Washington Consensus. They need to discover that there is greater safety in following the desires of their constituents.
Badwater @ 129
I think what you are missing is that a destabilized Midde East in which we (the US) continues to have a primary role (for oil, Isr*el military support, for KKKristian ideology, arms sales) was part of this plan, and therefore we are unlikely to get out of there in the near future. Whoever is the next president probably continue in this venture (unless a MASSIVE popular movement pushes against this, and we are able to OUT disempower the thugs responsible (Murdoch at Fox, GE at NBC for example, as well as A*PAC funders and their cronies in the various neo-con think tanks, newsrooms and elite newspapers and news journals.
~~~ModNote: Edited for content to clear filters.~~~
looseheadprop @ 26
Pink slips?
Steve-Ar
Yep- few care about these legal niceties. It’s a bit like “rights of the accused”– most americans would support a prez who tried to curtail them- especially if he said- “it’s only terrorists that we’ll use the new rules on.
Americans really don’t understand “freedom” they sing about it- march about it- and then willingly give it up to the first idiot who asks em to.
As a famous old teevee newsman said recently:
“The number one goal of this country needs to be education- cause americans are too STOOPID to vote for president”
Sorry Mods, I just got stuck in your web. I forgot the * :-9
The front runners should be screaming their heads off about this stuff.
iHeartFoulMouthedFemBloggers @ 67
Hang in there, Senator Potato Head!
brendan @ 120
That is exactly what is going to happen..How to get a change in public opinion; that is the question. An economic crash prior to ‘08 might be the force to change public opinion against the Republican. Do we need another 1929 to end the current public insanity? Well it worked from FDR to Ron. The more likely result in the current environment would be a virulent form of American Populism, IMHO.
Steve-AR @127:
This argument doesn’t take account of the established fact that the administration are surveilling political opponents. See how that polls. Cardin in my quote above @130 makes the same mistake. What was so sickening about the Democratic cave-in was that they didn’t just throw away a weapon to use against Bush and Cheney, they handed additional powers to them and Gonzalez.
Oh, lhp, and we do have a concrete issue we can work on–the new supplemental. None of McNerny’s dodges applies to that. That needs no republican votes to stop. It has to originate in the House.
Redd
I’m certainly not giving up on this issue- but I’m not very optimistic either…
The political calculus has not changed since the last time congress punted on this issue.
jayt @ 114
Hey – was this the same private firm that hired the homicidal Guard recruiter we were hearing about…?
Adie @ 64
I received pretty much the same letter when I complained about the firings. And I immediately wrote back that I was not some dimbulb willing to swallow the Rovian/RNC Talking Points and how dare she attempt to insult my intelligence by repeating provably false lines that “Clinton did it too.”
I’ve not heard back on the second letter as yet.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 134
Democratic passivity in the early 90’s allowed Gingrich to fill that vacuum with false rhetoric, leading to the Republic takeover of Congress. Can it be that the current Dem leadership doesn’t remember?
jayackroyd @ 136
amen!
(my bold)
kirk murphy @ 145
Yep.
The Iraq debate in September is of critical importance, and not just with regard to our Iraq policy and disengagement. If the Democrats fail to stand up to Bush and do not fundamentally change our Iraq policy (cosmetic changes do not count), they will have effectively signed off on and facilitated a Bush inspired attack on Iran, which will only magnify and multiply the disaster that Bush has made of the Middle East.
Steve-AR @ 141
The Republicans pulled it off with smoke and mirrors and a truckload of cash from wealthy right-wing extremists.
We might not have the cash, but we have the truth on our side. We need to find a way to break through the false mythology of the Republican spin machine and wake Americans up.
It can be done without a major catastrophe, ala 1929, but it will take a LOT of work and some luck. I know I’m preaching to the choir here, we need to find a way to get more people active.
I’m going to contact some people at my local Democratic Party this evening and see if I can’t get them to take a more active role in our community. Right now they’re pretty much non-existent except for a few months every two years.
On the drawdown. There is an analogy here with the Social Security debt coming due in 2016, which is the date when the promises of the US government that are held as assetts by Social Security start having to paid off. (What this means is that the taxes going into the fund will not cover the outflow, so the assets will be drawn down, which is why they were built up in the first place). This is simple arithmetic.
Now, looking at the troops, either they extend to 18 months or they have to start significant draw-downs in the spring, six months before a general election and in front of everybody. Bush wants to avoid that like the plague, because the failure will be evident and on his watch. The Democrats have absolutely to prevent those tours from being extended, and they should frame the debate in that way. It shouldn’t be framed as ‘let’s pull out’. It should be framed as, we can’t put our troops through this kind of abuse. That will sell. The drawdown then becomes the inevitable consequence of a decision to support the troops.
I hope this isn’t too complicated for our leaders to understand. Murtha certainly understands.
many Goopers are going to want a bill to vote on that does nothing and yet gets them on record as against Clusterfuck’s war. The first battle will be whether or not to allow em such a bill. If Pelosi and Reid allow the “false friend” bill to come to the floor- they’ve lost..Goopers need to have only one choice- vote for the dem bill to begin a withdrawal or vote against it and wear the mark of Cain.
jayackroyd @ 138
Yes! Pink slips!
brendan @ 142
They have been doing it all along..The Republican party is a lawless criminal enterprise. No matter what the Dems do, it will make no difference..vote to de-fund the war, good political idea, but it won’t shut off the money.
As far as political “spying”, the have all of the dirt on the Congressional Thugs. Since they have all committed multiple felonies that is a huge weapon. If I were in a GOOPers shoes, election survival would be less important than prison time.
dems continue to say that the authorization of force resolution does not include Iran- but no one has passed a bill to clarify that position and make it law. They KNOW that Clusterfuck is capable of declaring that he has the needed authority and going to war on that basis- and yet dems haven’t even brought the clarification bill to a vote- unless I missed somethin.
What’s up with that?
Problem is, most congress persons don’t think they work for us. That’s a quaint notion for these rascals. Congress’s relationship to lobbyists is in the main, a labor of love. In 2008, it will be President DLC not HRC that wins.
jayackroyd @ 144
Actually you have the original defense appropriations bill. It passed the House before the break but Reid pulled it in the Senate after the Republicans started playing games with it. It is unlikely I think for the Senate to pass the House version so that means a conference committee and a conference report. A lot could happen in that committee process if the Democratic leadership wanted it to.
At the risk of my original comment resurfacing now and proving this one to be redundant:
I disagree with many of you on this. I believe that a destabilized Middle East with the U.S. continuing to play a central intermediary role was the plan all along (for purposes of oil, arms sales, Is**el security the new Christian crucades, etc). The next president is likely to continue in the same way unless there is a MAJOR and effective vocal popular push back movemnt to this, and the power players in this in MSM (GE at NBC, Murdoch at FOX and the rest) along with the array AIp*C funders and cheerleaders are brought into public scrutiny as immoral self-serving war mongers. Only then will the actions of these bullies be mitigated.
Clusterfuck says that if congress cuts off war funds, he’ll just take the money from somewhere else in the budget—that would produce and interesting conflict testing whether congress has any fuckin power at all to stop a war…
What will Clusterfuck’s supreme court say?
Hugh @ 151
Zbigniew Brzezinski agrees – get out of iraq or risk war with iran.
Lindy @ 154
What material should Sen Craig’s be?
For McConnell, I’m thinking silk….
jayt @ 149
Bastards.
selise @ 163
Yay, Zbiggie!!
Badwater @ 148
Remember what? ____________ (fill in name of Democratic Representative or Senator)
Yesiree, the DLC is certainly labor friendly.
Clinton, per her campaign, has just picked up her second labor union endorsement this week from the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers. The endorsement comes a few days after some of the Democratic presidential candidates (including Clinton, Edwards, and Kucinich) spoke to the union. The IAM also endorsed Huckabee in the GOP race.
Earlier this week, Clinton also won the United Transportation Union’s endorsement.
Dems know that they have to make a show of stopping the war- so they will- but there is probably not a damned thing that they can do- even if they want to- to knock the cowboy off his horse.
On subject of Iran/Iraq, unpleasant developments from the French government. I had my suspicions about Sarkozy to begin with, but my heart really sank when he named Bernard Kouchner:
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/M…..0Ak02.html
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/M…..0Ak03.html
http://www.iht.com/articles/20…..france.php
SufiLizard @ 151
“A lot of work” is the operative phrase. The Republicans put in decades of work to get the country to the “sorry” state we are in now. Any notion that there is a quick way to change course is “magical thinking”.
I would encourage everyone to re-read the comments of Mr. rwcole @ 154 and 157. What’s he doing? He’s outlining TACTICS. Tactics which if implemented, only increase the D team’s chances of WINNING.
It’s all about Victory. Good feelings, emotions, and lots of kum-ba-yah feel good stuff is fine. But that won’t get you a WIN. You’ve got to outplay the enemy (R team) and out-TACTIC them. Sadly enough, I don’t see too much inspiring tactics coming from my beloved D team.
Ghostman
So what are the Democrats doing about this? The FDL chat by the “anti-war” Democratic Congressman Jerry McNerney was a real bust where he ducked on the Democrat’s responsibility to end the war, and ignored questions about why the power of purse is simply not enough to end the war, and gave some lame excuses about typing when it was obvious that he did not want to touch the question that multiple people asked him.
The Democrats were vilified as being “surrender monkeys” in 2006. Despite that they won handily. You’d have thought that after that they would have stood upto Bush/GOP on the Iraq war.
Sadly they have not. Why should the Dems not be blamed for the continuing Iraq debacle?
brendan @ 169
whoa! brendan, aren’t you going to tell me that i don’t have to worry – there won’t be an attack on iran?
Knut Wicksell @ 153
The obligation would have been the same without such a build up of “assets”. In fact, there are no assets. The excess Social Security funds or surpluses represent a backdoor tax on ordinary Americans. That money has been spent and is gone. The only thing that is left is the obligation which would have been there anyway.
Hillary has an 85% pro labor voting record according the AFL/CIO and has strong pro labor positions in her platform.
I’ve been a Democrat longer than Hillary Rodham Clinton. And you, Ms. Clinton are a very poor substitute for a Democrat. And yes, I’ll hold my nose and vote for my party’s nominee (if it’s you). Raspberries, nonetheless to you… HRC.
September is coming, and I am seriously worried.
made worse by reading Informed Comment.
http://www.juancole.com/
Political Calcs:
I know there will be a distraction away from Iraq (no)Progress, that more war is desired by these fools, and that they are still in charge. (Thanks, Nancy.)
The drums of war with Iran have been beating for a long time, and they are not getting quieter, they are getting louder.
How can we turn aside this march towards war?
I am sad and worried.
(and always a late commenter)
Oklahoma kiddo @ 167
This is not a union endorsement so much as an endorsement by people anxious to maintain jobs in the arms manufacturing industry at current levels.
Ghostman @ 171
I concur. Both of those issues are critical. How do we make it happen?
rwcole @ 161
I said the more the administration is exposed the more brazen they will become
he is determined to saddle future administrations with this war, he said so, I don’t have the link but I’m sure I read that
they need to get as much stealing done as they can before he leaves office…we need to take that quote of his and put it under pelosi’s nose
that is too far to go even for repukelicans to accept
Well I was wondering where Mr Cheney has been lately. Of course he has been writting up the report about the “SUCCESS” of the surge.
Last week in a nearby small MN town, there was a funeral for a 23 yr old Army vet who had served in Iraq, came home & committed suicide. One of the poems he wrote, “Still at War”:
Got home almost a year and a half ago
We were so happy
That beer never tasted so good
Iraq was the farthest thing from my mind
That was the best week of my life
It crept up slowly
First just while sleeping
More real and scary than when it happened
After, it’s on the mind awake
Never 10 minutes goes by without being reminded
Been home a year and a half physically
Mentally, I will never be home
And she is a Team Leader for the DLC. A lot of labor voted for Nixon too. She supported NAFTA and CAFTA and the so called ‘third way’. And likes the WTO. I haven’t heard Ms. Clinton speaking out loud and clear against outsourcing.
rwcole @ 174
And she never met a
TradeMassive Job Destroying “Treaty” she didn’t like.NAFTA, WTO – has Hill called for US withdrawal?
Nope.
Corporate whore, irrespective of her gender.
[apologies to the upstanding sex workers tainted by association with Sen Clinton)
selise @ 173
I keep making those arguments because I’m trying a reverse jinx to ensure it doesn’t happen. In all seriousness, though, since I can’t influence events, I prefer to be a little optimistic. I still don’t think it will happen. You mention Brzezinski warning of the risk of an attack, but was the risk really less in 2003 when Bush was at 90%, or when Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz were running things, or when the British were holding our flank, or when those sailors were being held hostage? The risk is receding.
By the way, that stuff on Sarkozy makes you realize how really rich those slurs against the French and their supposed anti-Semitism in 2002-2003 were. A reminder, as if any were needed, about just how fucking cynical our neocon press are.
Fern @ 178
That might well be true. But Clinton will PR it as an endorsement by labor. Perhaps I’m wrong on this. ;0)
Richmond @ 179
Well….the only idea I can come up with is the obvious…..burn up the phone/fax lines to folks in Congress urging implementation of these TACTICS…..so far, the communications are always on policy. Perhaps we need to burn their ears with some “tactics” demands.
Ghostman
Hugh @ 158
Thanks Hugh. That’s a good point. However, I think they still could pull the “we need a veto-proof majority” shtick. On originating a new supplemental, they can’t make that claim.
off topic but you guys are gonna drop your jaw on the simplicity of this platform regarding gay marriage;
the government should not issue ANY marriage licenses, they should NOT be in the bussiness of marriage
all government licenses should be civil unions
let the person get married by their church or find a church that will marry them
I think that resolves the issue entirely
Richmond @ 178
I believe Christy had some tactical advice on that:
If your rep is progressive, let them hear from you. It only gives them more encouragement to push the leadership on holding BushCo accountable.
If your rep is a less-than-progressive dem, let them hear from you. The more calls they get, the more it will make them think a little harder in the future.
And if your rep is a republican, let them hear from you. Remind them that you’re interested in accountability, and if they don’t start holding BushCo accountable, they will be the ones being held accountable. “I’m in your district, I pay attention, and I vote. Oh, and I also talk to my friends, and they vote too.” You might mention the dwindling nature of the GOP delegation in Connecticut . . . “They quit paying attention to their constituents who want us out of Iraq, and now it’s just Chris Shays all by his lonesomeness. Is that really what you’d like to happen here?”
new thread upstairs
perris @ 189
I’ve advocated that for years. It’s the only sensible solution but it will never fly, of course…
brendan @ 185
thank you, i feel better now. after clicking through you links, i was worried about the absence of your normally optimistic predictions. *g*
Oklahoma kiddo @ 186
She most certainly will!
stephen @ 181
He’s having his pacemaker tricked out for the upcoming and inevitable Iran fiasco. That’s a party he doesn’t wanna miss, but the ole ticker needs a serious upgrade for something as spectacular as that’s gonna be!
PB (peanut butter) @ 192
In effect this is already the case – you can have a church wedding without doing the paperwork – no marriage/civil union. You can have get married at city hall and never darken the doors of a church – and be legal.
rwcole @ 157
What happens if they bring it up for a vote and it fails due to the Blue Dogs? Won’t that be tacit approval, then, for Bush’s assertion that he already got the approval he needed from the AUMF?
Blaming the “Blue Dogs” is kind of lame. Iraq is the #1 issue of our times. The stance of the Democrats in 2006 on the Iraq war was a huge factor in their success.
Now that they are a majority they have forgotten what got them to the majority in the first place. There needs to be a message and there needs to be discipline.
The war has been a disaster, yet the Repubs are able to control the message and keep discipline. Yet the Dems have no message and no disciple despite the war being a disaster.
Ann in AZ @ 197
I kind of like this argument, but you’re assuming it would only fail due to Blue Dogs. If Democrats really wanted to prevent an attack on Iran, mightn’t we see some statement to that effect from one of the three major candidates? On the contrary: they’re arguing on whether they hold their nukes on or under “the table”.
looseheadprop @ 26
How about a single white glove with the tip of the index finger stained in red paint. Symbolic of their unwillingness to do their duty defending the constitution, our soldiers, our lack of health care, torture, our treasure earned with blood and sweat… etc.
Jane Hamsher @ 51
I guess that’s why he voted against the Webb Bill that would have required mandatory rest standards and limited tour lengths. “You guys EARNED the 17-month tours!”
I wonder since Baird asserts he really hasn’t changed his “Break It, You Fix It” philosophy why he never REVEALED that this was his view when he was running for office, instead cloaking himself as an anti-War candidate. Instead he ran under false pretenses, lying to his constituents. Now it seems he was really only “anti-Invasion” but is gung ho on the perpetual OCCUPATION.
Hard to see where he differs from the Bush Administrations agenda if he insists we are in it until the Iraqis are able to handle things on their own. That’s precisely Bush’s stated position.
Of course, Iraq is so badly broken as a result of our invasion and CONTINUED occupation that our presence is only ging to stretch out the chaos.
And Baird seems oblivious to how impossible it will be for the military to do this very much longer. Extend the tours longer and cut home leaves to 4 months???
3 out of 18 is a batting average of .167
Oklahoma kiddo @ 176
My first vote was for LBJ in 1964. I’ve voted for every Democratic candidate since. They weren’t always my choice in the primaries, but I found a way to be enthusiastic in the general. Unfortunately, in many cases, other Democrats didn’t and we a whole slew of Republican presidents. I’m not going to badmouth any of the candidates now. Why increase animosity and differences when a unified party will be absolutely necessary in 2008?
Peterr @ 88
Iraq is exporting LESS oil now that it was in the period Saddam was in power…both the IED and the GAO report show this! And there is no way that the entire loss of Iraqi oil exports would have anywhere near this impact. In fact, it would be likely that Iran would ENCOURAGE the export of oil, particularly from Basra.
The only one that would interfere in this would be the United States. And if the US decided to attack the Iranian oil fields then prices would shoot up…so that is actually more likely under Bush. The whole Persian Gulf region would be destabilized with an attack on Iran. And such a military adventure would use hundreds of millions of gallons of fuel. Even higher gas prices. Allk that gas could be otherwise available to consumers.
A withdrawal would also reduce the egregious use of fuel by the occupying army, although there would be short term incraeses related to shipping forces and equipment elsewhere. But that would be a blip on the Iraq Occupation bubble. In the long run
But $8-9/gallon gas prices would likely be just what the Bush cabal and his energy company buddies desire.
peanutbutter @ 7
Congress is in recess. It’s time for them to go out and play. :-)
Seriously, this is a time for them to go around their districts and speak to their constituents, or if they’re Republican, to hide.
rwcole @ 145
I wouldn’t be too sure about that. The political power balance is pretty fluid these days.
rwcole @ 161
Should be interesting, eh?
Ghostman @ 171
Right now it’s a ground game and that’s always slow going.
Pete @ 198
I disagree. The message essentially is, “We’re going to wipe you off the political map if you don’t go along with us and the public and end the Iraq occupation.” And, I think they are getting the message loud and clear.
That it’s slow-going is frustrating, but that’s the fault of Dubya and his rubber stamps.
I attended a “listening” tour held by Congressmen Sam Graves yesterday. To hear him tell it the number one issue facing America and in particular Missourians is….immigration. When he commented that he voted against the SCHIP bill because it legalized benefits for illegalsat the same time it raised taxes I had to call him out and his response to me was “If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it’s a duck”. Whatever that means. The crowd was made up of the kool-aid drinkers and they literally cheered such comments as “those Mexicans are coming here and forcing us to speak their language” and supported the recent ruling of our Governor Matt Blunt directive to empower law enforcement to stop and challenge (with out cause) citizen’s and demand proof of residency. Our local news editor is Hispanic as is our local state representative. He is a Republican. The representative towed the party line and never had the guts to dispute the wild claims being made by the crowd. The best part was when the news editor went up to him after the tour and spoke to him in Spanish…it was great. I asked him why he never bothered to point out the blatant lies that were spewing and he said he was “used to it”. I guess keeping power is worth selling out your country and your heritage. As I pointed out to the other reporter in attendance it’s politically incorrect to hate the blacks, the gay hate theme is not working out so well for the “value party” so let’s pile on the brown people. Today the reporter’s received a “fact sheet” from Sam Graves government office that claimed Democrat’s were calling to reduce benefits for seniors in all kinds of heartless ways such as “purchase of wheelchairs”. I responded by pointing out that the AARP and AMA support the health care bill as it increases benefits to seniors and children as it eliminates overpayments to for profit private insurance companies and what “value” is it that make false claims and use denying children a healthy start as a club to make a “political” point.