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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/30/morning-cuppa-12/#comment-932526</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 22:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-931506&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Toby Wollin @ 91&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-931498&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Prairie Sunshine @ 83&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Saw a heading while webcruising that said Edwards says America is willing to give up its gas-guzzling SUVs.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And here’s what stopped me …, “gas-guzzling SUVs.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Just when did America and yep, I’m lookin’ at you, Detroit, give up its ingenuity and creativity? …&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Oh, and have I mentioned:  Edwards ‘08&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;… I looked at the federal gov’t listing of the “fuel economy leaders” in their classes and the list is pitiful. The gulf between the hybrids and the other “fuel economy leaders was in the 30-40 mpg range. Huh? We can’t do better than THAT? That’s nuts. I think Detroit has just decided that they aren’t going to compete.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I read today that GM and Ford (I think) have said the unions will have to take large pay cuts or they’ll have to move overseas. It’s blackmail I say.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Time for all the Dem candidates to make a trip to Detroit to let ‘em know we don’t really approve of quitters and WE will deal with them on fixing health care costs if they’ll do things to green up their cars, including giving us higher mpg.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-931506"><em>Toby Wollin @ 91</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-931498"><em>Prairie Sunshine @ 83</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Saw a heading while webcruising that said Edwards says America is willing to give up its gas-guzzling SUVs.</p>
<p>And here’s what stopped me …, “gas-guzzling SUVs.”</p>
<p>Just when did America and yep, I’m lookin’ at you, Detroit, give up its ingenuity and creativity? …</p>
<p>Oh, and have I mentioned:  Edwards ‘08</p>
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<p>… I looked at the federal gov’t listing of the “fuel economy leaders” in their classes and the list is pitiful. The gulf between the hybrids and the other “fuel economy leaders was in the 30-40 mpg range. Huh? We can’t do better than THAT? That’s nuts. I think Detroit has just decided that they aren’t going to compete.</p>
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<p>I read today that GM and Ford (I think) have said the unions will have to take large pay cuts or they’ll have to move overseas. It’s blackmail I say.</p>
<p>Time for all the Dem candidates to make a trip to Detroit to let ‘em know we don’t really approve of quitters and WE will deal with them on fixing health care costs if they’ll do things to green up their cars, including giving us higher mpg.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/30/morning-cuppa-12/#comment-932500</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 22:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-931499&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Kate @ 84&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Thanks Rayne.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My representative Michele Bachmann didn’t even show to her town hall meeting last evening, even after the organizers agreed to her stipulations:&lt;br /&gt;
1. Everyone had to be screened to prove they were a constituent by providing their driver’s lisenses.&lt;br /&gt;
2.  All questions must be written on paper and screened by a Bachmann staffer.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is nothing new for her, she refuses to meet with anyone that doesn’t agree with her.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is the kind of anecdote which makes me think the Repubs are feeling a LOT of heat and might be willing to deal with Congressional Dems to get some positive things done (as if that will save their political necks).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This means there is real hope we might be able to get bipartisan support for ending the war before 2009, regardless of what Bush wants.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It would certainly be worth some discussion to see if Pelosi and Reid can get support for ending the funding this time around. And, perhaps in conjunction with that they could pass a “sense of the…” resolution saying Congress wants the troops to come home from Iraq.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-931499"><em>Kate @ 84</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Thanks Rayne.</p>
<p>My representative Michele Bachmann didn’t even show to her town hall meeting last evening, even after the organizers agreed to her stipulations:<br />
1. Everyone had to be screened to prove they were a constituent by providing their driver’s lisenses.<br />
2.  All questions must be written on paper and screened by a Bachmann staffer.</p>
<p>This is nothing new for her, she refuses to meet with anyone that doesn’t agree with her.</p>
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<p>This is the kind of anecdote which makes me think the Repubs are feeling a LOT of heat and might be willing to deal with Congressional Dems to get some positive things done (as if that will save their political necks).</p>
<p>This means there is real hope we might be able to get bipartisan support for ending the war before 2009, regardless of what Bush wants.</p>
<p>It would certainly be worth some discussion to see if Pelosi and Reid can get support for ending the funding this time around. And, perhaps in conjunction with that they could pass a “sense of the…” resolution saying Congress wants the troops to come home from Iraq.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/30/morning-cuppa-12/#comment-932486</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 22:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-931426&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;twolf1 @ 11&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/29/AR2007082900495.html?hpid=topnews&quot;&gt;Musharraf Agrees to Resign as Army Chief&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf has agreed to step down as army chief as part of a broad and once-unthinkable agreement being finalized with his chief political rival, Benazir Bhutto, officials on both sides said Wednesday.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Wow! This probably signals the complete end of Bush control of Pakistan and a return to some kind of normal Democracy there. In the background we can probably hear Poppy Bush quietly saying, “This Democracy shall not stand.”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-931426"><em>twolf1 @ 11</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/29/AR2007082900495.html?hpid=topnews">Musharraf Agrees to Resign as Army Chief</a>
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<blockquote><p>Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf has agreed to step down as army chief as part of a broad and once-unthinkable agreement being finalized with his chief political rival, Benazir Bhutto, officials on both sides said Wednesday.</p></blockquote>
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<p>Wow! This probably signals the complete end of Bush control of Pakistan and a return to some kind of normal Democracy there. In the background we can probably hear Poppy Bush quietly saying, “This Democracy shall not stand.”</p>
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		<title>By: molly</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/30/morning-cuppa-12/#comment-932125</link>
		<dc:creator>molly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 19:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;American Psychologists Association approves torture…even figure out the best ways to break a persons mind up into little pieces. Don’t think I’ll ever visit one. This is supposed to be the medical staff at our black sites and so called prisons. I never thought they were medical…thought they were behavioral.Anybody know? Any constitutional lawyers know if Nancy Pelosi can be tried for war crimes by enabling an administration that started 2 illegal wars and is itching to start another one? Weren’t people like her tried at the Hague for WW11 atrocities?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>American Psychologists Association approves torture…even figure out the best ways to break a persons mind up into little pieces. Don’t think I’ll ever visit one. This is supposed to be the medical staff at our black sites and so called prisons. I never thought they were medical…thought they were behavioral.Anybody know? Any constitutional lawyers know if Nancy Pelosi can be tried for war crimes by enabling an administration that started 2 illegal wars and is itching to start another one? Weren’t people like her tried at the Hague for WW11 atrocities?</p>
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		<title>By: barrisj</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/30/morning-cuppa-12/#comment-931911</link>
		<dc:creator>barrisj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Dumbest news headline today:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Nerve gas from Iraq found in UN offices”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;FoxNews dude prattling on about “…wonder where all those WMDs are, well, they followed us home…yadda-yadda…oh, but wait, the vials of phosgene came home with UNSCOM inspectors, and weren’t properly disposed of…oh.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dumbest news headline today:</p>
<p>“Nerve gas from Iraq found in UN offices”</p>
<p>FoxNews dude prattling on about “…wonder where all those WMDs are, well, they followed us home…yadda-yadda…oh, but wait, the vials of phosgene came home with UNSCOM inspectors, and weren’t properly disposed of…oh.</p>
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		<title>By: dolphy</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/30/morning-cuppa-12/#comment-931882</link>
		<dc:creator>dolphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Cheney &amp; Iran: Here We Go Again?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Juan Cole also has an article on the increasing drumbeats for war with Iran coming from guess who…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What has to happen to get people to notice this stuff?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.juancole.com/2007/08/cheney-iran-here-we-go-again.html&quot;&gt;Informed Comment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Cheney &amp; Iran: Here We Go Again?</b></p>
<p>Juan Cole also has an article on the increasing drumbeats for war with Iran coming from guess who…</p>
<p>What has to happen to get people to notice this stuff?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.juancole.com/2007/08/cheney-iran-here-we-go-again.html">Informed Comment</a></p>
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		<title>By: Cria-cow</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/30/morning-cuppa-12/#comment-931831</link>
		<dc:creator>Cria-cow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Excellent use of the photo. :) Thanks!  -cow&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent use of the photo. :) Thanks!  -cow</p>
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		<title>By: Clamberite</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/30/morning-cuppa-12/#comment-931777</link>
		<dc:creator>Clamberite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Mitt Romney immediately brought up Bill Clinton in regards to Larry Craig, a good retort would be-”At least Clinton’s peccadillo was with a member of the opposite sex!”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mitt Romney immediately brought up Bill Clinton in regards to Larry Craig, a good retort would be-”At least Clinton’s peccadillo was with a member of the opposite sex!”</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/30/morning-cuppa-12/#comment-931554</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-931521&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;bg @ 104&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I think Domenici has them all beat, WRT refusing to listen to constituents.  There is a group, “the Elevator Nine” who are actually facing PRISON TIME  after Domenici people locked them in an elevator and called the police.  This happened in Santa Fe.  The trial is today or next Thursday, I believe.  One of the people is an anti-war priest, Father Dear, who has been “defrocked” (I believe that is what it is called) over his pro-peace activities.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Doesn’t New Mexico have a law against forcible detention? If they were leaving and he blocked them in such a manner this could constitute a criminal act.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-931521"><em>bg @ 104</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>I think Domenici has them all beat, WRT refusing to listen to constituents.  There is a group, “the Elevator Nine” who are actually facing PRISON TIME  after Domenici people locked them in an elevator and called the police.  This happened in Santa Fe.  The trial is today or next Thursday, I believe.  One of the people is an anti-war priest, Father Dear, who has been “defrocked” (I believe that is what it is called) over his pro-peace activities.</p>
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<p>Doesn’t New Mexico have a law against forcible detention? If they were leaving and he blocked them in such a manner this could constitute a criminal act.</p>
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		<title>By: egregious</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/30/morning-cuppa-12/#comment-931552</link>
		<dc:creator>egregious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-931515&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;jayt @ 98&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;how it is they can support Bush’s praising the release of medical personnel who admitted (under torture and abuse) that they deliberately infected Libyan children with AIDS.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Got a link for that? News to me. Thanks.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This propaganda was debunked by representatives of the European Union.  I am surprised to see it still making the rounds.  It was always about shining the light away from abysmal medical conditions in Libya [who could have guessed] and extracting yet another bribe.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;—–egregious, M.Sc.P.H.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-931515"><em>jayt @ 98</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><i>how it is they can support Bush’s praising the release of medical personnel who admitted (under torture and abuse) that they deliberately infected Libyan children with AIDS.</i></p>
<p>Got a link for that? News to me. Thanks.</p>
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<p>This propaganda was debunked by representatives of the European Union.  I am surprised to see it still making the rounds.  It was always about shining the light away from abysmal medical conditions in Libya [who could have guessed] and extracting yet another bribe.</p>
<p>—–egregious, M.Sc.P.H.</p>
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