I’ve got bad news for you. The Senate is signaling to the White House that it can buy its way out of a US Attorney’s firing investigation by simply nominating a competent AG. Paul Kane at WaPo has some skinny:
This is the $64,000 question of the moment. Very interestingly, Chuck Schumer and Dianne Feinstein told myself and Jonathan Weisman in separate interviews Monday that if Bush picks a consensus AG, that the spirit and drive of the Dem investigations into the US attorney firings would likely dissipate. Chuck Schumer said that! This guy’s made his political living off of this scandal. not only that, Schumer signaled to me that he likes Paul Clement, the solicitor general who will be acting AG. Clement is a former Judiciary Committee senior aide, who worked for John Ashcroft on the panel when he was a senator.
DiFi floated a couple of other names, according to the Orange County Register:
California Sen. Dianne Feinstein had some names for the White House today, just hours after Attorney General Alberto Gonzales announced his resignation: former Missouri Sen. John Danforth and former Deputy Attorney General James Comey.
So, it seems once again, our intrepid Senators who have been dealt a poker hand of unusual strength are going to freakin’ cave in to Buscho in exchange for crumbs. Crumbs!
Beyond the names already mentioned in the quotes above, I know someone else that Senator Schumer likes. In fact Schumer likes him so much, that he put him on the Senator’s short list for SCOTUS nominees. Since this individual was until very recently the Chief Judge in SDNY, and since unlike some of the scarier names being bandied about like Chertoff, Silberman, or Cox, he is not a household name; and since, unlike some of the truly qualified by training, experience, personal integrity and past performance possibilities like PatFitz and Jim Comey, he has not been endlessly discussed here, I thought I would introduce you to Judge Michael Mukasey.
Former Chief Judge Mukasey was an AUSA in the Southern District of New York where he worked in the public corruption unit with a much younger Rudy Guiliani for a trial partner. Judge Mukasey was appointed to the bench in 1988 by Ronald Reagan.
I remember when he was first appointed and a colleague of mine was going to try one of the first few criminal case he presided over. None of the younger AUSA’s knew what kind of judge he would be, so each evening when she came back to the office after court, we would grill her about her day.
He was tough, but in a good way. You had to be prepared and he required the utmost professionalism from lawyers appearing in his courtroom. Unlike some judges, he did not automatically assume that AUSA’s “spoke with the voices of angels” to use a term often thrown about by unhappy defense lawyers.You really had to earn your conviction (and defense lawyers their acquittals) in his courtroom.
His reputation is that of a man who follows the law, even if he does not agree with it. The other day, he wrote an OpEd in the WSJ complaining that criminal procedure law is an inadequate tool for combating terrorism. While I don’t agree with his conclusion (I think it makes more sense to surgically amend the criminal procedure law) the problems he raises are both real and thought provoking. I will come back to this OpEd in a minute.
He also ruled against Big Tobacco in a suit brought by shareholders of Phillip Morris relating to the company’s fraudulent concealment of nicotine’s addictive qualities.
He presided over one of THE most important anti terrorism cases held to date, the trial of “the blind sheik” Omar Abdel Rachman and El Sayyid Nosair and 8 other defendants for plotting to blow up the UN, bridges, tunnels and other landmarks around NYC.
He is also the judge that produced the split ruling in the Jose Padilla case; saying that Padilla could be held in a military brig as an enemy combatant (a decision that has since been reversed by an appellate court) and holding that Padilla was entitled to a lawyer.
One of Padilla’s lawyers, Donna Newman was quoted in the New York Sun as saying “I admire him [Mukasey] greatly.” She described herself as a “another weeping fan” apparently as an expression of regret that he was retiring from the bench.
Jude Mukasey stepped down from his position as chief judge in July when he reached the maximum “active” judge age of 65. Once federal judges reach that age they must take “senior status” with a reduced workload, or they can retire.
Judge Mukasey announced that he would retire and then rejoin his old law firm in September. However, while on his summer hiatus between jobs, the judge for no apparent reason decided to pen an OpEd about the law, Presidential power and terrorism cases.
How odd.
Please do click through to the WSJ OpEd and see if you get the same vibe I did. Could it be that Jude Mukasey was signalling the WH that he wanted the job and would not be in a hurry to undo the changes that have been made in how DOJ handles terror cases? Could he have been trying to reassure the President that he is tough on terror even though he felt the need to follow the law with respect to right to counsel?
I gotta tell you. I do not see a Mukasey confirmation hearing being a bloodbath, even without Schumer’s support. However with Schumer, Judge Mukasey can probably whistle through SJC. I think the guy is very confirmable.
So, here’s the problem. The Senate is about to give away its oversight powers and the Senators who should be opposing this will be totally on board, convinced they have done good thing by getting a competent guy into DOJ.
However, they don’t need to bargain away anything to accomplish that. Elliot Richardson was reputed to be a competent guy and the Senate got a Special Prosecutor AND the specifics of the charter appointing him in exchange for confirming a competent guy.
Further, I fear that a man of Mukasey’s reputation and life experience would find it inconceivable that Bushco would hide information from him to manipulate him into going along with something nefarious or that they would try to use him as an unwitting “beard” for their next assault on the Constitution. Which is how they will be able to punk him, just like they did Ashcroft. He won’t see it coming.
I may change my mind tomorrow, but today I just bet my law partner a nickel that Mukasey is the AG nominee.
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Zed?
edit: Missed by THAT much!!!
Looseheadprop! Justice!
What else would we expect…
Certainly plausible, but my money is still on Ken Starr.
Who would I like to see? Hmmm …
Mary Jo White comes to mind.
I’m afraid to go sailing for a week and come back to a very weird world…
Has anybody from FDL actually been able to have a face to face chat with their congress critter?
When I was a kid the family went to DC and I think we get to see a congress critter or senator. They don’t answer the phone of answer their mail.
Who DO they talk to beside the mirror?
looseheadprop writes
Big difference:
Senators during H2Ogate tended to be a bit more jealous of their senatorial prerogatives AND a bit more aware of the laws of the land.
Unbelievable. The Dems have the idiots by the shorthairs, and they’re about to let go. Arrgh!
I’d like to see Michael Ratner as AG.
Special prosecutors and maintaining the full investigation of ALL conduct by the Administration ought to be a prerequisite to confirming anybody, no matter how qualified and acceptable they are. Anything short of that is a dereliction of the Senators’ sworn duty to uphold the Constitution. When you are holding the hole cards, your don’t need to fold.
TheOtherWA @ 8
Yeah, instead of stepping off the curb and coming away with a fist full.
I am getting real tired of all of the wheeling and dealing these idjits do.
Why can’t they see what is as plain as the nose on their face?
Mukasey confirmable? Perhaps.
But is he NOT GAY?
What can we expect, when push comes to shove, but that Schumer, Feinstein et al will follow The Lobby/PNAC/A*P*C orders. Cheney/Bush are still carrying out their instructions, and now they are waiting for the next delivery — the attack on Iran. Of course they and the rest of The Best Congress Money Can Buy are going to roll over.
bmaz @ 10
Schumer needs some private tutoring from Phil Hellmuth.
I hear Karl Rove’s real mission, and he has accepted it, is to go down to Chile and exhume the body of August Pinochet, which Bush will then appoint to USAG during the current recess.
I say, get them back on duty as soon as possible — and in the public eye.
Just sent an e-mail to DiFi to say that I was stunned that she would even mention the name Danforth since he was the one who “gifted” us with Clarence Thomas and that I would not be voting for her again. I am ready to just start screaming !
They’re all too ready to abdicate their jobs. The administration has no respect for them, and this will not change things. They haven’t even scratched the surface of the USA firings. Who else is on that committee besides Schumer or Feinstein.
burnspbesq @ 5
Mary Jo is a Dem
TheOtherWA
Completely beleivable! It’s what they do.
If we have no choice but to settle for the least worst, rather than holding out hope for something better, why shouldn’t they?
SanderO @ 9
I’d like to see Jim Comey or Pat Fits as AG, but do you really think Darth Cheney would ever let that happen?
(But it does make for terrific daydreaming)
Shouldn’t be too difficult to locate an individual with the criteria for this job being someone who does not mind protecting the crimes of the two who came before him and their criminal boss. Pretty much anyone in the GOP will do.
Is the Senate trying for a bit part in Dumb and Dumber? Careful what you ask for, you may get just that, them dogs have their ways.
looseheadprop @ 19
Wasn’t sure about that. I worked with a bunch of the white collar and special investigations folks from Debevoise on a project a couple of years ago. Boy, were they impressive.
I would also suggest that Senators should demand that the nominee agree to move on all duly issues Congressional subpoenas that are valid on their face.
mc @ 12
Mukasey has a kid (who is a lawyer himslef), which I know doesn’t mean anything, but I’ve never heard a rumor like that.
Why, have you? And why should it matter?
SanderO @ 9
Or Laurence Tribe, or Jonathan Turley.
Or?
Twain @ 17
Difi is a Joe Lieberman democrat, it’s not one bit surprising to those of us unfortunate enough to be her constituents.
burnspbesq @ 24
It does not surprise me to hear that. Debevoise Plimpton has a stellar reputation.
OMG – Audio of the Craig arrest on MSNBC…shocking.
RE Schumer: Never trust someone who will trample their grandma to get in front of a camera.
SanderO, you funny,
looseheadprop @ 26
Larry Craig joke ;-)
LS @ 30
Shocking in what sense? Was Craig trying to throw his weight around? Or was he entrapped?
Ed*ard Teller @ 15
You heard it here first.
burnspbesq @ 34
A freaking belligerent idiot that doth protest to much. Idaho needs a smarter Senator, gay or otherwise.
By the time this position is filled, our long nightmare with Clusterfuck will be nearly over.
If this were a business situation- you’d want a “turnaround guy”. Turnaround guys are not creative- not enhancers- not builders. Their job is to come into a mess that’s oozing foul bodily fluids and return it to the civilized world. It’s more a matter of destroying than building- gettin rid of the stink..
Bush will, instead, get someone who will HIDE the stink..
Par for the course.
burnspbesq @ 34
I just heard part of it. From what I heard, he was not trying to throw his weight around..but the arresting officer really let him have it, by saying “people vote for you”, the officer was really upset…Craig kind of just tried to defend himself.
They tossed Jaba???
Well, to the phones and keyboards, again, right?
After all, we got a miracle from Rick Perry today, maybe we CAN get through to the Demo leadership in Congress.
We’d best do it now, tho’ – the moon is still full. ; )
I certainly don’t like to see Dems capitulate yet again, but I do have some questions about continuing the US attorneys firing investigation. AGAG lied and dissembled, sure, but pretty much everybody knows that and he will always be remembered for that, and Leahy needs to perservere in demanding all that paperwork and testeimony they withheld… but, really, what are the chances we could actually prosecute AGAG for something other than the admin law violations that Goodling pretty much already admitted to taking part in with the AG.. and which won’t play that well in the media, anyway (too technical)? It seems to me that there are so many more promising, blatently criminal shrubco acts that we should be asking Leahy and Waxman to investigate and that are infinitely worse.. such as torture (including AGAG’s role in that), Katrina (assuming Lieberling can’t stop those investigations somehow), Katrina and war procurement/fraud, the war, the energy taskforce and all the other assorted acts of shrubco crminality. I’m wondering whether letting the AGAG investigations fade away isn’t such a bad thing. AGAG really looks like an idiot.. seems to me we should cement that legacy by leaving him be after just a little bit more punishment (and, on principle, we need to demand WH compliance with any subpoenas). Just thinking…
The “NOT GAY” joke is not about sexual preference. It’s about shining a light on Republican hypocricy. And in that sense, it’s really not a joke at all.
Downstairs we won. Upstairs we’ve got another fight to contend with. BushCo LLC’s persistent if anything.
dakine01 >
Not to mention they were NOT under constant FBI/NSA/Interagency watch & very aware of it.
Blackmail & extortion are very powerful tools when used along with constant fear mongering.
“Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob” – Franklin D. Roosevelt
Didn’t Iglesias say there is a really big ongoing investigation at DOJ about the firings and that something would come out of that? Or, am I misremembering?
Bush is a NLC—No Liability for Anything Co.
Further, I fear that a man of Mukasey’s reputation and life experience would fnd it inconceivable that Bushco would hide information from him to manipulate him into going along with something nefarious or that they would try to use him as an unwitting “beard” for their next assault on the Constitution. Which is how they will be able to punk him, just like they did Ashcroft. He won’t see it coming.
But the guy you’re describing doesn’t sound like he’d put up with that. Would/does he have the stones to get medieval on their asses?
Maybe Schumer figures that Mukasey will take care of most of the current problems on his own, and is signaling a willingness to step back and let him have at it?
cockeyed optimist I am today… /yoda
Vote. Why? Ask many. This is the kind of stuff that compels many Democrats and independents to not bother to participate on election day. Gawd, we need some fresh, clean and principled faces in the Democratic Party.
Is anyone one of Whitehouse’s constituents? He seems the most likely to oppose this fuckery.
Anyone?
And please, every Californian out there: write to, phone, e-mail whatever Mme. Feinstein.
I’ll be contacting my Senator, Ben Cardin, who’s also on the SJC.
It’ll be Lieberman, and he’ll run as an independent in the 2008 special election for his Connecticut seat — and yet again, he’ll win with the exact same number of votes he got the last two elections.
Amazing how that works.
daCascadian @ 44
well.. don’t we kinda have both now?
The Justice Department is investigating whether departing Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales gave false or misleading testimony to Congress on a broad range of issues, including the Bush administration’s warrantless surveillance program and the removal of nine U.S. attorneys last year, the lead investigator said today.
DiFi Inc. (DFiNK on the NYSE) strikes again.
tejanarusa @ 40
Ah, it’s a Waning Moon in Aries and the Moon will be in Trine to Jupiter* at 6:06pm EDT. (*Good for business.)
“The Senate is signaling to the White House that it can buy its way out of a US Attorney’s firing investigation by simply nominating a competent AG.”
On the other hand, Pat Leahy (Go Vermont!) sent this letter today (I dunno how to do hypertext):
http://leahy.senate.gov/press/200708/083007.html
two senators that must be replaced due to their inherent contempt of the congress.
I saw Danforth interviewed somewhere a year or so ago, and liked what I heard. But at the time, i didn’t know that he’d had his fingers on Clarence Thomas’s Coke can…
LS @ 30
Was this the “reinactment” that Keith Olbermann did on his show last night?
It was hysterical.
Scotusblog thinks it’ll be Clement and Garre…
http://www.scotusblog.com/mova…..l#comments
Craig to the cop: “You solicited me”…Cop: “We’re not going to get into that”.
mauimom @ 58
No, this is the actual arrest recording.
mauimom @ 58
No, this is the actual recording of Craig and the cop!
rwcole @ 37
The problem is, DOJ (and increasingly other federal law enforcement agencies) has a terrible morale problem which is bleeding over into an unbelievable attrition problem.
You are losing all your upper and middle management. You know, the career folks who remeber the good old days when DOJ had a culture of integrity.
Pretty soon all that will be left will be the Regent Law grad/Bushies, and if they have more than 3 years on the job, it will be very hard to get rid of them. So guess who your new middle management–the folks who will train the incoming newbies–will be?
It’s like the fall of Rome.
What is needed is an insprational leader who will convince the few remaining good guys to stay, coaxe good guys who left to come back, and create the cliamte needed to restore DOJ’s former culture.
But, Bush/Cheney will never do that b/c it is not in their interests to fix DOJ.
They just want to put lipstick on the pig and the American people wn’t know why things keepo getting worse.
This is too inside baseball for the average guy in the street.
Imagine Supreme Court Justice J. Lieberman, if the Republicans get back in 2008. Sadly, a lot of Democrats would probably vote to confirm.
From WaPo: LINK
Blub >
Yes and they apparently have some very fancy sophisticated toys to use against “We the people…”
“If you`re not nervous, you don`t understand what`s happening.” – John Young
There may be some strategy here, albeit very risky. If the Dems say “we’ll cooperate if you will” and Bush does what he usually does and makes a really bad nomination, the Dems can say they at least tried to be cooperative, but Bush made an unacceptable nomination.
The risk is, he could make a nomination that could be okay for Schumer, but not for the rest of the Dems, and he drops the investigation.
I don’t think Craig sounds too guilty, but that’s me personally.
I couldn’t care less who, if anyone, winds up as Bush’s third AG, and I certainly don’t give a shit if it’s Michael Mukasey. It doesn’t matter and this speculation is ridiculous. Let’s get serious here – Bush will not nominate anyone who would genuinely do the real work that needs to be done, because Bush himself will be inculpated in any investigation of the FISA abuses as well as the U.S. attorneys scandal. Moreover, there is no advantage for the Democrats by approving ANY nominee whom Bush deems acceptable. Pretty much everyone has already realized that the Democrats are weak and useless. Bush and his enablers will continue to do whatever they want to do, and the Congress will, of course, cave in to his demands.
Blub @ 41
The big mistake after Iran Contra was that few people faced any punishment and many of them were recycled in this admin. If there are not some impeachment conviction (Impeachment is a bar to future office) or criminal convictions (which means you can’t pass a background check) these assholes will be back again. Literally, the SAME assholes
Did anyone else see this — in the Yahoo news segment on the GAO report it states that:
“Attention is now focusing on testimony to Congress next month by Iraq war commander General David Petraeus and US ambassador to Baghdad Ryan Crocker.
The White House said the two men would testify to both chambers of Congress on September 10 and 12, avoiding the emotionally charged date of September 11, the sixth anniversary of terror strikes targeting New York and Washington.”
So Petraeus ISN’T giving his report on the 11th of September after all.
LHP
Yep—So many pigs- so little time.
As this administration comes closer to it’s final chapter- I wouldn’t be surprised to see more and more career employees in many branches of govt. come out and raise a little hell…
The president’s power weakens daily- both because of who he is and because of the ticking clock- he has depended on power for control- so control is loosening- ever so slowly!!
looseheadprop @ 70
The players today are the same ones as in Watergate, Vietnam, and Iran-Contra. And they learned the wrong lessons from all three.
By Christmas- no career employee in any branch of govt. will see much downside in flippin Clusterfuck the bird.
Considering that Bush didn’t even bother to tell Gates he was going to ask for $50 billion, maybe even Gates will back off. That is a real slap in the face.
The view here is that it is imperative that investigations continue in the matters of Rove, Gonzales, Bush, Cheney, and others. No matter how long it takes.
LS @ 45
I think that was a refence to DOJ IG Glen Fine’s investigationjayt @ 47
Yeah, but as with Ashcroft–that won’t happen until AFTER he realizes he has been used. After he has been punked–it’s kinda too late and that may be, literally, the last days of the admin
Clusterfuck’s dinosaurs are probably too close to extinction to make another run- this is their swan song.
AZ Matt @ 65
This is good news, no?
looseheadprop @ 70
Thank you for reciting my favorite gospel. Folks, there could not be a statement more true than the one LHP makes right here.
Just in case all else fails, Vancouver BC continues to be rated one of the three best cities in the world.
Blub @ 41
First, thanks LHP for an important warning. I will let my senators know that I am watching, and expecting that they will insist on a competent, independent AG.
The point of pursuing the USA firings is not about AGAG but about who he was covering up in the White House. The cookie crumbs lead right to the oval office. And the public needs to see that info.
But I’d rather they shift to focus a bit more on FISA, because the cookie crumbs there lead to the OVP, and we need to throw some heat that way.
Bob in HI
The investigations should not be dropped for any reason.
The Dems need to realize they’re not playing for ‘08 here. They’re not playing for their own next election.
We’re fighting for our very country.
We need to be represented by lions in this fight, but we seem to be stuck with pussy cats. (pun intended).
ellwort @ 55
Yeah, saw the letter. Isn’t that just a dandy excuse for the Senate to cave in??? And once they do, is Glen Fine supposed to carry the ball over the goal line all by himslef?
I am not that naive
Michael S @ 69
ding, ding, and ding!
they may just wait it out with an acting AG, anyway.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 76
And the Dems should settle for no less than the “smoke-bringer” required for that task. (Raven — you out there, troop?) To confirm anyone less is another surrender.
Dear DemocRATS:
I am moving to Kazakstan. To hell with the U.S.A and its illusion
of democracy.
What you are seeing is “COMPLICITY” among our top elected officials–REGARLESS of party affiliation. Remember DiFi broke with the dems to give Leslie Southwick an up or down vote as an appeals judge and Leahy didn’t even know beforehand that she had changed her mind. This vote didn’t even have to happen as the dems controlled the senate judiciary committee 10-9.
oldtree @ 56
I may get tomatos thrown at me here, but I am normally a Schumer fan. I just think he is getting played here.
Nemo >
Only if it actually happens which I doubt given the experience of the last seven years.
“A conservative government is an organized hypocrisy” – Benjamin Disraeli
looseheadprop @ 70
I agree completely that these assholes must be held accountable. One quibble: Impeachment is not necessarily a bar to office, e.g., Alcee Hastings.
JF @ 73
Not all the same, now you also have a bunch of very active younger (and older) neo-cons -Scooter, Abrams, Crystol, Krautheimer, Gordon, Miller (new times, new agendas, but similar immorality and political expediency).
Kilgore Trout @ 87
Good luck with that buddy. I’ve sent people there. Seeya in six weeks.
CTuttle @ 59
Maybe to morrow I will change my mind, but if Scotusblog wants a 5cent bet. I’m here
looseheadprop @ 89
By whom?
Congressional investigation of Gonzo is a little handicapped- the White House declares “executive privilege” for the fuckin janitors…
I’m all for continuing the things- but they aren’t gonna put anyone in jail- only the justice dept can do that.
The Justice dept is apparently investigating also- guess that means that Clusterfuck can refuse to comment on it.
JF @ 67
Similar to my train of thought
looseheadprop @ 70
IIRC Poindexter *was* never supposed to hold a position of public trust or some such as a condition of his conviction and sentencing.
A lot of good *that* did, eh?
And then there’s Henry Kissinger. Talk about a candidate for investigation and possible prosecution.
Brisingamen @ 54
(pouting slightly) – well, it LOOKS full still…don’t confuse me with the facts.
Okay, I concede. (glad actually–work is horrible during the full moon, and I’ve been off during most of it)
Oklahoma kiddo @ 76
Which is why I am so freaked by the Schumer quote
Give John Dean a full pardon!
A very disturbing op-ed. It seems to me that if the government wants to subject individuals to the criminal system, then transparency is required. If it wants secrecy, then the fruits of the endeavours in dealing with those caught up in it is the information it provides in the interest of national security. Our possible proposed AG wants a supersecret hybrid criminal court which has NO EFFECTIVE ACCOUNTABILITY.
Our transparent criminal system is plenty fraught with dangers by those who encounter it.
America needs to come to grips with the epidemic of secrecy. There is no effective oversight where secrecy reigns. I have a sneaking suspicion that if we were to publish a book of actually useful secret intelligence collected by the USA in the GWOT, it might be one of the shorter books on the shelf.
Now is not the time to play nice with the evil ones.
D*mn it LHP, is there NOTHING Dem Congresscritters will STAND UP for?!? Christy, you’ve chewed me out before for statements like this, but can someone please tell me why exactly electing Democrats in 2008 will do anything whatsoever to restore the damage done to the Constitution by these frickin’ radical neo-conmen, when the Dems fold at every opportunity? Anyone? Bueller? Ok, off to read the comments now… muttering loudly under my breath…
LHP – you said you think Schumer is getting played. Is he getting influenced by somebody, and if so, who? Or is this his own thinking and he’s getting played by himself (sorry for the visual).
mack @ 98
Poindexter’s conviction (along with Ollie North’s) was overturned on appeal. The judges declared that the Special Prosecutor could not show that his prosecution was not tainted by the immunity that North and Poindexter were given to compel their congressional testimony.
rwcole @ 78
WRONG. Think how young Tim Griffin is, And Brad the chipmunck voice, and Darth Cheney’s son-in-law (who is a lawyer in Chertoff’s counsel’s office) and Fran Fragos. There is a whole new generation of Bushbots out there who will be ready for the republican admin
truth be told, after seeing GWB’s little tantrum at the airport the other day, I expect him to go full-goose petulant and throw up someone who he knows is NOT confirmable – which kills some time, then repeat that process a few times…
TheOtherWA @ 61
Is there a link to this?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 99
technically problematic. AG needs to be able to travel abroad, doesn’t Kissinger has open arrest warrants out there for war crimes? or is that the tin foil speaking…
MayDaze @ 91
I stand corrected and apologize for imprecise language–conviction upon a bill of impeachment is a bar to office.
If you are acquitted, you’re good to go
jayt @ 108
Unfortunately I agree with you. Bush is all about ego and power, and cares nothing about fairness or governing.
I’m checking in late and am so glad to see that someone is still covering the DOJ story vs. the potty boy.
If anyone thinks that after January, 2009, that the Bush family and their cohorts (regardless of age) are out of politics; think again. These people are insidious and their brand of politics will be with us forever.
The KO Dragnet bit is on the MSNBC website.
It is funny.
What is the difference between entrapment and a “sting”?
MSNBC was playing the actual arrest recording. C&L has the KO Dragnet version of the police report.
Well at least our Democratic representatives in congress will be well qualified for jobs at The Gap when they get out of office.
They have gotten plenty of practice folding.
punaise @ 110
I believe that’s right.
“The Senate is signaling to the White House that it can buy its way out of a US Attorney’s firing investigation by simply nominating a competent AG.”
Excuse me, but the White House paid a price for the US Attorney’s firing scandal by firing the Attorney General.
jayt @ 108
Bush could nominate freaking Barney for AG. He’ll probably claim that anything other than a rapid confirmation of his nominee would embolden the terrorists, and plenty of Democrats will line up to vote.
JF @ 95
I think its Schumer who’s doing the playing. Mukasey is his guy (New York). Schumer is going to get something for backing this guy. Feinstein just doesn’t care about what happens, rule of law is a game to her, she’s above it all. The whole bunch make me want to puke!
LS @ 115
It’s a fine line.
Bush still has time to make a recess appointment for AG.
looseheadprop @ 111
Hastings was impeached and convicted however the Senate chose not to place a ban on elected office for him and just removed him as a Federal Judge.
I just don’t see Leahy going for this.
LS @ 123
Would he risk it on a holiday Friday news dump?
BigMitch @ 119
Not a big enough one. Much, much more is due and owing. They need to pay with their liberty.
retirin’ in five @ 86
Everyone wants the entire Democratic Senate to go f%$# themselves nowadays.
Of course they’ll cave. Please, everyone it’s time to VOTE OUT ALL INCUMBENT IMPOSTOR/DEMS IN THE SENATE!
Schumer and his DLC bunch are now getting public expressions of ’sympathy’ from good Republicans embarrased by their ‘disabilities’.
My new ‘Blueneck’ joke:
JF @ 126
He’s the Decider. He has no problem pissing the entire world off every moment of his presdinentcy.
“Would he risk it on a holiday Friday news dump?” Maybe it’s the opposition party’s caving that’s the Friday news dump.
looseheadprop @ 84
In Leahy’s 8/16 letter to Fine, he makes it quite clear that he expects satisfactory explanations to five numbered instances of Gonzales’s evident coverup tactics. You’ve seen Leahy on C-Span: he doesn’t brook BS. The problem, yes, is in the ambitious calculating of several senate dems and fake dems (republikan infiltrators?).
From Alcee Hastings wiki:
looseheadprop @ 107
seeds planted, we’ll have to weed them out
.
great post, lhp, thanks!
retirin’ in five @ 131
Problem is, that’s not news.
Schumer’s apparently offering something that he doesn’t have the power to offer- he’s likely just tryin to look reasonable for the indies while knowin that there’s no way in hell that Clusterfuck will nominate anyone that would force his hand.
Just a guess- but this is kinda way out there- he’s just flappin his gums. If he were really makin a deal- we wouldn’t be hearing about it.
LS @ 123
Wouldn’t he need to give Abu a nudge, though, since his exit date is 9/17?
do-si-do @ 116
MSNBC has the KO Dragnet video too.
BigMitch @ 119
sort of
JF @ 122
in entrapment the police initiate the illegal activity and ask someone to come on board
in a sting they set up the right conditions and wait for the mark to ask them to come on board
I don’t think it’s a fine line at all i think the two are easy to distinguish
bmaz @ 127
For firing U.S. Attorneys? You are dreaming. For waging an illegal war, lying to Congress, etc. That we can agree on.
JF @ 105
I think the WH is playing him. By offering the possibilty of appointing someone he has long supported. it would look like they were trying to compromise.
Plus, nobody but me seems to remeber the unbelieveable amount of shit Schumer took form his own side in order to maintain the block on the Miguel Estrada nominations.
He is still in deep debt in the “favor bank” for that one.
Pentagon has not figured something out yet: LINK
LS @ 115
Whether you’re the arrested or the arrestor.
perris @ 140
Craig says to the cop that it was the cop that was soliciting, and he also tells the cop that it is entrapment.
jayt @ 108
That is my other pet theory, but today I like the Mukasey theory more.
JF @ 73
Oh I don’t disagree, but I think that the people who need to be neutralized go far beyond AGAG. We cannot allow shrubcoites like Cheney and Rove to leave the stage without answering for their crimes, and I guess I just see the AGAG US attorney firing investigations (as opposed to FISA, torture, and other things, which should very much stay alive) as something of a dead end, unless the IG comes up with something substantial and beyond admin law breaches.
There’s likely no smoking gun to the WH, because AGAG was a willing co-conspirator.. Rove just had to drop hints, not order him to fire those attorneys.
Right now, as it is, AGAG won’t come back.. ever, I think. He has no supporters, and his reputation a mendacious stool-pigeon buffoon is secure. I wouldn’t mind finding a way to focus investigations on those I do fear WILL come back to haunt us, such as Dick, his inner circle, Rove and so forth. I’m not firm on my views on this, but I suspect there is a case to be made for us to focus our energy on other things, including other crimes that AGAG was complicit in, and that we can make stick in more substantive ways.
LS @ 145
well of course that’s his story and he’s stickin to it, as all criminals caught in a sting would do
if the cop initiated the footsie dialogue by crossing the boundary of the stall first I would agree, if he just responded to craig initiating the footsie conversation then craig is wrong
by the way
craig also plead guilty to peeping, to me a far worse crime
for instance, if there is a an unmarked car in front of me doing 70 miles an hour and I keep pace that’s a sting
if the car is tailgating me and forcing me to do 70 miles an hour to remain safe that is entrapment
I came up with that analogy just now and I think it is marvelous
looseheadprop @ 146
It is so hard to gauge him…no, I take that back…he won’t do the right thing, no matter what he does, he’ll just do what he wants to do to cover his butt.
LS @ 115
Entrapment is when someone who would never have ever thought of committting a crime, is recruited and persuaded (spmetiems pressured)to join into a criminal conspiracy by the undercover folks.
A sting is when they just lay out he bait and the defendant gobbles it up all by his own self
carolyn urban @ 125
Read his letter over at TPM, Leahy’s all set to play nice. You think Bush will go along with that for free? Yeah, me neither…
BTW, the cop does not contradict Craig, when Craig says he bent down to pick up a piece of paper, as has been reported.
looseheadprop @ 150
That makes sense. Thanks.
OK, the craig thing.
I think it’s creeeeepy if Craig had only been a peeping tom, peering into stalls…much less crossing the boundary between stalls with his hands and feet.
It’s creepy at the least. I don’t care if he says he was just looking to see if a stall was empty. There is at least some common courtesy and privacy accorded in a public bathroom.
Just embarrassing. The Creep Factor is pretty high.
JF @ 126
you know, some michivious part of me kinda wishes he would. Just to hear the hollerin’.
I am so bad sometimes
carolyn urban @ 125
I don’t know, that Glen FIne letter turned up at a pretty convenient face saving moment for Leahy…………
looseheadprop @ 150
I dissagree with the exemption you pose in the former, I agree with the later
in your fromer scenario a person predisposed to commit that crime could never claim entrapment and that is not the case
anyone, even a criminal that WOULD normally commit the crime can be entrapped, it has nothing to do with their propensity or willingness to do it
I think my example best fits;
if there is a an unmarked car in front of me doing 70 miles an hour and I keep pace that’s a sting
if the car is tailgating me and forcing me to do 70 miles an hour to remain safe that is entrapment
I came up with that analogy just now and I think it is marvelous
BigMitch @ 141
There is quite a bit more to it than just “firing US Attorneys”. There are the reasons they were fired; of which all but one appear improper. As to Iglesias and Lam, it appears illegal; as to Charlton patently unethical and likely illegal. Secondly, there is the matter of the gross politicization of the DOJ and there have been crimes efffectively admitted and probable cause to believe that many more have been committed. Then there is the obstruction of justice that the Administration has occasioned through the DOJ. You are entitled to your opinion here; I think the view that Gonzales resigning is price enough is an astoundingly bad view.
looseheadprop @ 70
Quite literally the same assholes.
Has anyone floated the theory that perhaps SJC is “playing nice” because they really have the goods and will cooperate if the right candidate comes up in return for dropping further investigation “for the good of the country” because they believe the country would be freaked out knowing how prostituted the DOJ may be?
Sorry for the run-on sentence.
Over at Kos, it seems like people think Fine is on the up-and-up and that he WILL pursue the case.
looseheadprop @ 155
That is exactly what I was thinking. It would really stir up the hornets nest. It would be just like him to do just that, so he could go na, na na, na, na – try to catch me now…suckers.
BigMitch @ 141
Corrupting law enforcement ranks right up there with lying us into a war. What have we become when we are no longer a nation of laws, but of men. Sorry Big Mitch, but thus far the WH has paid zero, zip, zilch, nada by AGAG’s resignation. Not until the WH is held to account by a new AG or by Congress will any payment whatsoever have been made.
Can we call Roberts and Alito consensus judges? (And I realize they were in place on the SCOTUS before last November.)
I never trusted Schumer. He’s too full of himself… He likes wielding power too much.
We need people who have more humility. Why power freaks all the time?
SufiLizard @ 83
But that’s exactly what they think. It’s all for the greater good of ‘08. DC bubble – toil and trouble.
do-si-do @ 154
The gay bathroom pick up scenario is explained in David Eherenstein’s LA times piece. Maybe David E. will have it up at his blog.
There are signals, codes and protocols that gay men know and use for bathroom cruising. Foot tapping, running your hand under the stall, etc.
Craig was apparently well-versed in the knowledge and application of these procedures.
Jane Hamsher @ 159
To clarify, I do agree with the point that we can’t leave these people standing.. I’m just wondering if the US attorney firing scandal is the most productive way to nail the people we really need to nail, and I think that AGAG himself has already been effectively and permanently destroyed.
It’s Rove, Cheney and others we need to go after, and I don’t believe the firing scandal will lead us to them, simply because AGAG was a willing conspirator, trying to anticipate the WH’s wishes, as opposed to an unwitting dupe taking written cya orders (hence, likely no real paper trail implicating Rove). I think that FISA and other investigations may yield better results more quickly, and cast a wider net. I’m not saying that Congress should stop investigating AGAG, and I’m certainly going to write my critters asking them to continue, I ‘m just thinking out loud about what would be the most productive strategy for nailing these batards.
From TPM: LINK
dupe removed
Patrick Fitzgerald, Iglesias or Lam.
Enjoy.
looseheadprop @ 107
And don’t forget the forthcoming wedding — Jenna and the Rove protege. Next generation is on the way.
do-si-do @ 160
first I heard your theory.
It most certainly would not be good for the country not to know. That would be even worse than letting Iran Contra criminals off, and Nixon, too.
if it’s that bad, we’ve got to face it straight on.
JML @ 166
eye of newt and toe of rove
do-si-do @ 160
I think it is more subtle than that and less clear. There is this crazy pressure on our Congresscritters to appear “reasonable” coming (I guess) from the DLC types.
The electeds on the hill I have spoken to all seem to think that they will blow the election if they show any spine. The Leahy’s and the Conyers of this world are being pressured not to “blow it”
Then you add in all the Bushco bait and awitch games (which our guys fall for every time)
It has more to do with battered wife syndrom than anything else, but there are lots of factors in the mix and I’m not sure I assign the correct weight to each
AZ Matt @ 169
WTF?
perris @ 157
but perris the legal standard IS pre-disposition. That’s what the prosecution has to prove to overcome an entrapment defense.
Blub @ 168
I always feel like they are starting at the bottom and working up toward the crime; which gives the Repubs their “no underlying crime” line. The crimes are clearly there; lying to Congress about the reason for going to war, torture, black sites, spying on Americans, perjury, outing a covert CIA agent; contempt of Congress. IMHO, they should clearly start with outlining the crimes, then connect the dots with the abundance of evidence, and nail all of them. It seems bass ackwards to me sometimes.
tejanarusa @ 100
*G*
I’m a Witch, and we do pay attention to these things. In a Waning Moon, you do banishings, and there are some folks I’d love to banish from Washington, DC!
SanderO @ 165
One reason is that people who want power are the ones likely to run for offices that provide power. Second, our election/campaign processes of the last 50 years have further encouraged that. Third, the more you exercise power, the more of it you become. Check the history of long-term office/power holders from the Roman Emperors to 20th century American mayors.
It is an argument for term limits…not to open another can of worms here.
Nemo @ 161
I’m not saying Fine is a fraud, but I have read several of his prior investiagtion reports and he has consistently taken a very narrow caustious approach.
If the Congress backs off the investigation thereby signalling to him that he is out on that limb all by himslef, that will hardly ecourage him to be bold and dynamic this time.
SanderO @ 165
I don’t trust Schumer
Jeralyn Merritt:
Blub @ 168
Blub, they are all interrelated. If you give away a giant door in to the mess, it just makes it that much harder to get there, and also restricts your leverage on subjects of investigation, not to mention limiting the number of subjects you have leverage over. Plus, the investigation must be continued as part of the effort to cleanse the DOJ.
The people who have been running this government for the seven years are basically Nixon, Ford and Bush One retreads.
burnspbesq @ 5
Roger that, burn!
looseheadprop @ 175
The DLC bubble – a truly scary hell broth.
raw story has the tape of craig arrest
And don’t forget the forthcoming wedding — Jenna and the Rove protege. Next generation is on the way.
Think how young Tim Griffin is, And Brad the chipmunck voice, and Darth Cheney’s son-in-law (who is a lawyer in Chertoff’s counsel’s office) and Fran Fragos. There is a whole new generation of Bushbots out there who will be ready.
Though JEB’s daughter is a total mess, JEB’s son, George P, whom grandad George Herbert Walker called the little brown one is coming of age. Voters have short memories.
The Democrats will get caught stealing pencils and George P. will sell us on the old vapid standbys – family values, cleaning up corruption, toughness on crime, and standing up for America.
lhp said:
Ding! years of brainwashing to believe everything is their fault.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 184
Don’t forget Teflon Ron.
Bush can wait awhile (210 days from 9/17), then nominate Donald Duck (run out another 210 days), then nominate Minnie Mouse (end of term). Under this scenario, it’s Clement all the way.
Or, the Dems can get him to “compromise”. You’re all sure compromise means “fold”. But people willing to do what Gonzo has been doing are actually fairly rare. Advocating for torture, bringing political prosecutions, lying his ass off to save his bosses (and I mean “bosses” – look at the fondness with which Cheney beams at Gonzo). Maybe this guy is willing to say he buys the official line on prosecuting terrorism, but they’d have to lock him in a broom closet to keep him from finding out what’s been going on at DoJ.
I’m not a fan of Schumer, but I figure that anyone with any independence at the helm of the DoJ can’t help but bring the whole thing crashing down.
Besides, there’s no #2 and no #3, so there’s no way the AG can be a unwitting figurehead with someone else running the show.
I really appreciate LHP’s post to re-emphasize this point: Gonzo was planted and designed as the White House (including the OVP) firewall. Another way of re-stating LHP’s warning is that Democrats must not agree on a replacement who will continue to serve as firewall. Anyone chosen for that position must be clear that their oath of office is to the Constitution, not to the President.
But this is exactly the battle line. The WH knows full well what will happen if the new AG is someone with the independence and integrity of Patrick Fitzgerald, or even James Comey.
In any case, Congress must vigorously pursue its constitutional perogatives, including subpoenas, contempt citations, and if necessary inherent contempt. The FISA panel on Wednesday was an excellent tutorial on these issues. The event was sponsored by the Center for American Progress, and at the end of the panel discussion, I believe the moderator said that the video would be available at their website, although maybe not yet.
Bob in HI
Eureka Springs @ 190
And that’s a biggie. ;0)
Blub @ 168
So far, the USA firings seem to have the best paper trail and seem the most deveopled in terms of a possible tirable case.
The FISA/TSP thingy will never go to trial because of the CIPA problems. You’ve got to think in terms of what is the biggest crime I can get a conviction on, not what is the biggest crime committted.
Just a driveby–
My thought is that Reid and Pelosi need to be held accountable for their actions to allow such things to happen. We can’t vote them out until 2008, and I don’t believe they can be recalled. They hold their leadership positions because the House and Senate voted them in, right? Could the House and Senate not make other, more suitable, choices for leadership? Do enough of them give a damn?
I’m really glad for the town hall meetings that are letting them know what their constituents think.
bobschacht @ 192
Let me emphasis that for you Bob Hi!
looseheadprop @ 177
if predisposed is the standard to overcome
for instance, if I were not going to speed but you had everyone around me speeding and I were slowing traffic to do the speed limit I am not predisposed to speeding, you entrapped me
on the other hand, if I am predisposed to speeding, you know it because of my driving record, but you then tailgate me to force me to speed in this case, that is entrapment even though I am predisposed to speed
no?
Isn’t the next step getting to those White House/ RNC emails? And wouldn’t an “acceptable” AG feel compelled to make this happen?
Elliott @ 176
SEE??? CIPA problems. Greymail baby!
brisingamen:
I bow to your expertise. And as to the banishing – can you get busy on that one right away? Maybe your colleagues were working on Rover and Gonzalez?
looseheadprop @ 194
Exactly. There are crimes, although maybe not earth shattering ones, that have already been effectively admitted. This is by far, for a number of reasons, the best portal into the Administration’s wrongdoing. It cannot be allowed to be bargained or peetered away.
Under normal circumstances, a president with approval ratings in the twenties whose attorney general, widely believed to be the worst AG of all time, had just resigned in disgrace, would contritely appoint somebody solid who would sail easily through confirmation and end the humiliation. But Bush doesn’t think that way. Imagine the GOP solidly controlled the Senate, and Bush had approval ratings in the 70s. Now, look around, in that mindset, and you’ll find your nominee. It’ll be some ideologue nutjob who can do the job Gonzales was doing–being a loyal firewall. The criteria is not going to be “who can fix DOJ,” the criteria will be “who can continue doing what G was doing without being G.”
Swopa upstairs
oops, douuble post
Brisingamen @ 179
Do it!
I’ll get the salt and the sage smudgestick…
looseheadprop @ 199
We’ve got a lot of work to do, don’t we?
do-si-do @ 160
I think that, as in the Plame investigation, everything comes down to the war. People for the war didn’t want the investigation to proceed, people against it did. If the public were fully aware of the crimes at DOJ they would be genuinely outraged and the White House exposed to impeachment. It would destroy the presidency and thereby stand a chance of ending the war.
Swopa’s upstairs.
So what is the treatment protocol for battered wife syndrome?
perris @ 197
I would argue no. especailly with the speeding thing (unless the tailgater is literally bashing you in hte bumper–I don’t think htat argument will work)
But then agian, I have a prosecutor’s mentality. Jeralyn might see thigns very differently tahn I do.
ANd the only view that really counts is the jury’s
JML @ 198
You mean , would he agree to bring enforcement proceedings on the subpoenas?
The U.S. system of governance is antiquated and unresponsive to the modern world thereby making it fatally flawed.. The founding fathers fatal mistake was in not adopting a parlimentary form of government. The U.S. will continue to circle the toilet bowl until it eventually breaks up into geographic entities. The the good of the planet, the sooner the better.
looseheadprop @ 210
Yep. If you can get proof that the cops got a whole bunch of drivers and cars organized to surround you, and intentionally you specifically, and place you in a position to where speeding was your safest and most reasonable alternative, and then cited you and no one else; I can defend you on entrapment grounds. This is somewhat of a etherial discussion though, as speeding in most jurisdictions these days is considered a civil offense; so criminal defenses would not apply.
Nemo @ 161
Linky please?
Bob in HI
Tejanarusa and LHP — Working on it… I’m going after the oathbreakers. They’re fair game, because they’ve given their oaths IN PUBLIC and therefore working to remove them is not a violation of “harm none.”
Writing up the rite (making sure I don’t zap myself in the process) is a little time consuming. Aiming to do so at the dark of the moon, September 10th. The following day there’s a Solar Eclipse…
looseheadprop @ 210
I think the predisposed is a hurdle the prosecutor has to overcome
I don’t think it’s a roadblock the defendant has to proove against
as far as the traffic scenario and tailgating, I agree with you if it is not a law officer doing the tailgating
if it is a law officer doing the tailgating and the defendant can prove illegal activity by the law officer that precipitated the infraction I don’t think theirs a judge that would not dismiss
it would all be in the proof, since there would be no physical record the law officer might say he was not driving illegally and his word would obviously prevail
however if he did admit to his illegal behavior or there was physical evidence proving it I can’t believe the people would prevail
bmaz @ 213
ya, I know normal definitions and requirements of law don’t apply in traffic infractions but if they did
I agree with your scenario and assessment as well
Crumbs? I would call Clement selling out the nation once again. The guy is a slinker stinker.
I wouldn’t have any real problems with Mukasey, but I’m putting my nickel on Clement. I do think Mukasey isn’t blind and he knows that the Bush Administration is the refuge for liars, the dishonored and shills. I wouldn’t expect him to be taken and I would expect that it would shock the fancypants off of the twits like Addington etc. to get someone who understands power and its use and is used to steamrolling lawyers who can’t make a decent argument.
But here’s the deal with Clement. Who I don’t want – but that’s neither here nor there. He’s the guy who WILL be AG, in acting capacity, no matter what. He’s the guy handling the subpoena requests, the Exec priv assertions, etc. He’s the guy who – if Congress won’t let him out of Committee – will still be running things. For that reason alone, Republicans can mock at the wasted effort over trying to fight the “nomination” of the man who is running the dept.
Plus Schumer has already blessed him with the holy spittle that dribbles from the corner of the devine orifice – iow, iirc, Schumer has already said he’s good to go with Clement.
I think you are dead on with the problems at DOJ – loss of the competent and the arguably not completely immoral and criminal. Wedging into authority of Regent grads. On and on. Really – it is beyond fixing though. No matter who they get in.
It’s like the fall of Rome.
It fell with the DOJ’s solicitations and commitment to cover up and crime laid out in the torture memos.
That someone like Larry Thompson, a defendant in a torture victims act suit that only got dismissed bc of Comey’s intervention and assertions of State Secrets, is proferred up as an option shows how low the country has fallen.
But my money for the newest nominee to leave everyone agag is Clement.
The biggest reason that he would be out would be that he may be too in the know to want to have him questioned, but it looks like Schumer is making sure that Bush won’t have to worry on that front.
Hopefully Leahy et al are spending time coming up with questions for all the possibles. DOJ isn’t going to arise, phoenix like, no matter who gets the nod. The best anyone can get is the use of the nomination process to get info or at least uncover all the dark places where Bush refuses to allow light.
Maybe Schumer is planning the briar patch manuever with Clement. Lure Bush into nominating Clement and then cream him during a hearing. Bring up all kinds of nefarious unitary executive theory stuff. Then when there’s no chance of confirmation, either vote him down or force Bush to withdraw his name. There will be pressure on Bush to appoint someone else and the whole procedure will start over but with the added bonus that Clement can’t stick around.
I know, I know, in my dreams.
The Senate should not confirm any nominee who does not pledge under oath to appoint an Independent Prosecutor to investigate the replacement of the U.S Attorneys and the politicization of the DOJ, period. If we’re left with Clement so be it.It’s a fully defensible position for even those spineless wonders.
and 181 re: Fine – I don’t expect anything much either.
He’s ducked out on things over and over and seems to take the position that, no matter what he uncovers, his only function is to say – oh, that doesn’t really look very good does it, you may want to explore that a bit more Congress, but I’m sure there was no actual CRIME committed by the – uh, violations of criminal code. Whatever. The NSL report pretty much shows all the places he won’t go imo.
The Siegelman (Alabama) case has the potential to bust it all wide open. Josh is following. http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/004035.php
The Democratic leadership right now is acting this way because of three reasons:
1) They are genuinely isolated from the rest of the country, listening only to those closest to them who just happen to be lobbyists, handlers and insiders, all of whom do not want to ‘rock the boat’ and get caught doing anything noble or wise that might screw up their bank accounts;
2) They are trying to be nice and accommodating to others, which would be wonderful behavior if they were dealing with opponents who were also nice and accommodating, which is something the Republicans haven’t been since, oh for the love of God, Coolidge.
3) They are well aware of the outrage and anger directed at Bush and at the Republicans in general, and are patiently waiting out for 2008-2009 knowing the voting public has nowhere to turn but the Democrats, foolishly forgetting the amount of damage Bush is willing to do before he’s obligated to leave office.
The only things to shake them out of their complacency are also threefold:
1) Mass voter registration ‘Change of Party’ to where enough people change from ‘Dem’ to ‘No Party’ (it’d be nice to see enough of the registered Republicans do that right now, but I swear there’s noone left over there that’s sane), which ought to scare the crap out of pollsters and screw up their party’s primary season. I mean, let’s see how it looks when 100 registered Democrats vote in the NH Primary;
2) Mass protests in the streets demanding that Bush/Cheney be forced to hire one of the outed US Attorneys as AG, and that Habeus be restored immediately and all torture and warrantless surveillence ended. Unless you show the outrage in a big way, they’re not going to understand just how serious it is;
3) Mass refusal to contribute to their re-election campaigns until they show some goddamn backbone.
portia @220 – I like your dreams better than mine. Maybe I can borrow them some day?
LS @ 75
Give the guy a break. Bush doesn’t have his brain, so what is he supposed to do?
Look for Bush to appoint someone he trusts for AG. Look for Dems to say NO to anybody that close to Bush and to anyone who isn’t actually good for the job and America. It’s important now to get the DoJ back into good working order, regardless of what the politics are. Competence is required.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 76
I’d like to see Fitzgerald indict Libby, Rove, Fleischer and Armitage for disclosing classified information — the classified job of Valerie Plame, and show how V.P. Cheney was tied to that.
Whether he does or not the Congress could look into it as a question of whether legislation needs to come forth relating to how classified information is managed and whether the protection of agents is being done properly (review Vic Toensing’s law). This too would probably reveal a lot about the “outing” of Plame and Cheney’s involvement.
But, they could look more broadly and probably find other WH hands involved in the story. I’m certain it would be enlightening and certainly important for improving the laws.
What this says to me is that certain Democratic congressional leaders are saying to the White House that if a “consensus” AG nominee is offered, then the Democrats in Congress will let Bush get away with politicizing the Justice Department as part of the Republican plan to “fix” elections so as to place these Democratic leaders in a permanent minority.
Sometimes one has to wonder if certain Democratic Party leaders aren’t working for the Republicans…especially when they signal that they’ll let Republicans get away with illegal, unethical and criminal acts.