While everyone was laughing at Sen Craig, George was playing his favorite game - poking Iran with a sharp stick. Like blowing up frogs, it's the perfect pastime for bullies who hope to provoke a fight.
The latest poke came yesterday afternoon when the Iraqi radio station, Radio Sawa, reported that a group of American Humvees had surrounded the Sheraton hotel in Baghdad – GorillasGuides ran the first translation of this news and updated here. In the evening, the BBC confirmed the story:
Seven Iranians working for the Iranian Electricity Ministry have been arrested by US forces in Baghdad, the Iranian embassy says.
A spokesman told the BBC the embassy had contacted the Iraqi Ministry of Foreign Affairs and would send a formal protest letter in the morning.
He said the Iranians were in Baghdad in connection with the building of a power station.
The group were detained at the Sheraton Hotel where they were staying.
Video footage showed soldiers leading a group of men, blindfolded and handcuffed, out of the hotel in central Baghdad…
The arrests come shortly after a speech by US President George W Bush in which he criticised Iranian interference in Iraq.
(snip)
President Bush specifically stated that he had authorised his military commanders in Iraq to confront what he called "Iran's murderous activities" in the country.
Assisting with the rebuilding of the electricity grid in Iraq – something the US occupation forces has not managed to do in four years is apparently now “murderous activities.”
Coming as it does right after Bush’s nuclear holocaust speech, Sarkozy’s Bush pandering rant, WaPo’s recent "let’s attack Iran" editorial Tougher on Iran:The Revolutionary Guard is at war with the United States. Why not fight back? and CNN’s Michael Ware repeating “US military sources” (aka Brig. Gen Bergner, that great PR flak sent over by the White House to sell more war) reports of increased Iranian involvement in attacks on US troop in Iraq, this is not good news.
As Peter Symonds wrote yesterday at Global Research:
Since the beginning of the year, the US military has steadily escalated its allegations of Iranian “meddling” in Iraq, variously accusing Tehran of supplying arms, training and even directing Shiite militia in attacks on American troops. Last week, Lieutenant General Raymond Odierno, the no 2 commander in Iraq, claimed that Iranian-backed Shiite groups were now responsible for half the attacks in Iraq, compared to 30 percent in January.
Such accusations rely on bald assertion, rather than evidence. The only “proof” made public by the US military has consisted of displays of Iranian-made weapons. Of course, the staggering hypocrisy involved in accusing Iran of “interfering” while the US military has laid waste to much of Iraq in the course of its criminal four-year occupation of the country is passed over without comment in the American and international media.
Symonds noted that Iran consulted with the IAEA last week on their nuclear development and the IAEA called the negotiations a “milestone" and put “further UN penalties on hold.” Rather than celebrating this positive development, Washington slammed the IAEA and further stepped up the propaganda.
In an article this past February, Newsweek noted “the Iranians have reason to feel paranoid.” And then reported:
At least one former White House official contends that some Bush advisers secretly want an excuse to attack Iran. "They intend to be as provocative as possible and make the Iranians do something [America] would be forced to retaliate for," says Hillary Mann, the administration's former National Security Council director for Iran and Persian Gulf Affairs.
Given the willingness of both the House and the Senate to pass – almost unanimously – resolutions supporting Bush’s anti-Iran warmongering, I’m not reassured that they will step up to block an attack on Tehran … are you?
Update: Valuable background that’s worth reading can be found in Ken Silverstein’s Harpers’ series, War with Iran?, Ian Welsh’s Message to Sarkozy, and Ezra Klein pointed to this report from the Center for American Progress which polled 100 Foreign Policy experts who seem less than impressed with the Iranian threat. And don't miss Howie's take: Less Than Real Men Getting Ready to Attack Iran? Do the Democrats have the Cajones to Stop Them?
Update 2: CNN reports that the Iranians have been released and escorted to Maliki's office. Interesting that the US military is claiming the Iranians were arrested at a checkpoint after guns were spotted in their cars - yet reports from Radio Sawa before the actual arrest point to US troops spotted surrounding the hotel where the Iranians were meeting with Iraqi colleagues and the AP TV footage clearly shows the Iranians being led out of the Sheraton by US troops and under arrest. Seems our friend Brig Gen Bergner was mighty busy spinning last night.
Photo from AP TV video of the arrest
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Zed!
hmmmm …. just now on CNN they discussed the “mistake” of the arrest and backed away from the checkpoint story … but no one will say which “senior US military official” gave the order to make the arrest.
Hi Siun
Good afternoon Elliott & Gordon!
((((((((((SIUN))))))))))) !
And Chimpy is planning on requesting another 50bn for this fiasco. *headdesk*
Hmm. A few grams of uranium enriched 3%. Saying they’re on the edge of nuclear holocaust is about like saying that a half bottle of near beer is the same as a few barrels of bourbon. And that’s ignoring that, as N Korea discovered, setting the stuff off is not as easy as it sounds.
Today, Baird’s press secretary stated that Baird is probably going to support the $50B supplemental request
Siun @ 2
Gotta be Bergner…
CTuttle @ 9
Gotta be the Commander-in-Chief.
Don’t miss Siun’s link on Brig. Gen Bergner
definitely worth the read
one bit:
“Berger left the White House and became spokesman for the U.S. military in Iraq only three weeks ago.”
Larry Johnson gives a nice smackdown to the “Iraq II: off to Iran” sequel to the current misadventure out of the BushCo DOD. After going into detail on the folly of attacking Iran, he concludes:
I hope so too.
SPOTLIGHT, anyone?
Keep it up. I have been thinking about this all day since hearing about the Raw Story report on AAR this morning.
Why all the knicker twisting about an armed Iran? Iran knows if it were to use nukes, the retaliation would be apocalyptic. Gawd, the murderous butchers in the White House seem clueless. Now they are going to threaten China’s oil supplies? Good luck with that. How’s yur dollar doing?
CTuttle - that Bergner guy is definitely a problem. I was wondering if Petraeus himself maybe said nap the Iranians …
It was so odd to see them try to spin the arrest … claiming it was at a checkpoint then saying “oh, you have video from the hotel … well, we took them back to the hotel to get their things?”
Hello, Siun.
OT but on topic
I see FDL as a post-apocalyptical sort of place.
The U.S., at least as I’ve known it, is dead.
We gather here to discuss the future.
My only concern is that sometimes thoughtful and very well meaning individuals who have particular sensitivities are offended and leave (e.g., N=1, who I wish would return).
You can fire away at me, if you wish. I’m a Viet Nam vet and a lawyer. My hide iis thick.
At Baird’s town hall meeting in Vancouver, WA on Monday, he said “Do not underestimate Iran.” He also said that he wouldn’t freeze funding while troops are on the ground in Iraq.
Bush is looking for any excuse to start something. It’s going to be a long 508 days until we’re free of him.
peanutbutter @ 6
Ironically, FAUX NEWS just reported the New Orleans damage costs are 51 billion dollars. Coincidence?
Billions of dollars here, there and everywhere.
ReElect President Gore & VP Edwards 2008!
Votus @ 17
Nice little catch-22, that.
Hi Siun, What is your take on Bush standing behind Maliki while everyone from Hillary to his old PNAC buddies call for Alawi to replace him?
Drive by …
Very informative post Siun, thanks
A picture’s worth a thousand words
Votus … that’s interesting. It seems the Ds are pretty gungho on Iran … there’s no move to block a new attack and in fact, feels like there’s encouragement.
LS @ 10
That would be Commander in Chief Cheney Blackwater?
Peterr @ 12
Awhile ago a bunch of folks from War Times/Tiempo de Guerras put out a flyer with background on Iran for concerned peace activists. You can read it here. We figured we should minimally know something about the country Bush is threatening.
Here’s a visual for ya;
Cheney sitting at his desk, with a large bottle of vi*gr*, watching Bush say ‘Nookular Holocost’ over and over with McCain singing ‘Bomb Bomb Bomb, Bomb Bomb Iran’
in the background.
Yep, sounds about right.
Eureka … that’s a very good question. I have no idea why Bush does what he does … though I’m not sure he’d want a CIA asset to get the job of Iraq PM. Maliki - with his buddy Hakim - seem much more aligned with Bush’s interests (oil smuggling, etc) and Bush and the CIA don’t seem to be buds.
At the same time, I often have the sense that Bush makes decisions solely on a kinda cranky kid level … if they all want Allawi, I’ll stamp my feet and prove *I* am the decider by sticking with my guy.
What do you think?
janinsanfran @ 26
thanks for that, good to have at hand and to pass on. Maybe we can change the world.
Hot off the Wapoo press…
http://www.washingtonpost.com/......html?hpid
Meanwhile Ameriker’s “cheerleader-in-chief”- KKK-Katie Couric is packing her cosmetic bag for a trip to Iraq just in time to put in her “cutie” two cents on the need to SURGE, SURGE, SURGE -for the benefit of her neo-con friends. Though her ratings are plummeting, she continues to press the Rethug agenda at every turn.
I’ll never be a nice guy….I want war…I;m a fighter…erghhhhh
This caught my eye last night:
Blackwater seeks Super Tucano acquisition for trainer role
By Stephen Trimble
Siun @ 23
Well, apparently some of the D’s in Congress are. I can tell you that the D’s that are his constituents here in Washington state are not. What I am wondering is how the Democratic leadership could possibly think this would help the Dems. standing in the eyes of American voters?
I’m quite sure the Dems will back an attack on Iran. Redeploying the troops may end up sending them over the border right into Iran. Support our troops by making them sitting ducks in another unnecessary war - unf’ingbelievable. It could happen any minute.
I hope Fallon says no.
Eureka Springs @ 33
WTF??? Why would they need to train fighter pilots…???
Why is Sadr suddenly calling off his army??? Something about that smells like “regroup” to me. If the US attacks Iran, the Mahdi Army will attack the troops. He’s changing strategy.
LS @ 35
LS,
The military today is follow the leader.
It was only partly this way during the draft.
Jonathan @ 38
You are absolutely right. I’m referring to the fact that he said an attack on Iran would not happen under his watch. This is his watch.
Siun @ 28
Makes sense, well, in this upside-down world anyway.
raven @ 25
Do you mean they, the generals, will cook up a new Gulf of Tonkin, or they, the White House?
It certainly looks like the White House is itching for a fight, even if they’ve got to engineer the excuse — but I don’t know whether the generals and admirals would be willing to play stagehand AGAIN for a two-bit community theater like BushCo.
That’s likely what Larry was premptively pushing against, in his comment about the generals and admirals having to make a choice if Bush orders an attack: become culpable for a bigger military blunder than Iraq, or resign and shout from the rooftops why you left. If Larry can stiffen the inhouse DOD opposition now, perhaps Gates will get the same kind of legal mutiny that Comey and Ashcroft gave to Gonzales and Card in Ashcroft’s hospital room.
LS @ 39
I didn’t realize he made that vow. wow.
Siun, didya catch this tidbit…
“Four cars carrying the Iranians, as well as seven Iraqis, were stopped at a checkpoint Tuesday evening and then allowed to proceed to the nearby Sheraton Ishtar hotel, where they were later taken into custody and questioned, the military said.”
Peterr @ 41
Even Blackwater could do it.
LS - There’s been a horrific few days in Iraq …
see the descriptions at GorillasGuides for the latest.
My interpretation - which may well be wrong - is that Sadr is trying to instill some discipline. He has been reaching out to Sunni leaders and calling on Muslims to not kill Muslims. The situation seems to have blown up in Karbala and I don’t think that matches the force he wants as he moves more and more into a de facto national leader role.
My gut feel is that Iran will happen before November. There really does seem like to be a march to war again.
At Baird’s town hall the other night, when asked about Iran, he said that he was not saying that the US should invade Iran, but that military personnel are in harm’s way there, and that we should not underestimate Iran. He also said he is not in favor of a draft.
As I look at that statement in light of today’s talk, it sounds more ominous than it did on Monday night.
JPL @ 46
and America will pay until the end of time if we strike Iran.
OT but on topic
Who is the Dem candidate who has the greatest entertainment value from the MSM standpoint?
Same question - repub standpoint?
Elliott @ 42
It’s here:
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/.....n-carrier/
I figured that was why they were being arrested. This maladministration is clearly determined to have another war, even though they’ve demonstrated they can’t win one … or even run an occupation. We need to defund the occupation ASAP and bring all our troops home ASAP. (The equipment that can’t get out on its own should be abandoned or destroyed.)
To paraphrase a former senator (Dircksen, I think), 50 billion here, 50 billion there, pretty soon you’re talking about a lot of money.
It has been a while since I have read any reports on numbers of our carriers in the Persian Gulf. Does anyone know of a place on the web where we could get a credible status report?
newspaperbrat @ 24
Most likely. Another reason why we need to impeach the VP.
BTW, do any of the major news departments (WaPo, NYT, LAT, etc.) have on staff translators of Arabic and Farsi so that they can get stuff direct from news sources like Al Jazeera and Radio Sawa, without waiting for someone else to translate it and review it? Along with journalistic staff who have the competence to assess those reports?
Oh, yeah. Right. Oops. They’re cutting the budget of news staff. Oh, well, if its important, someone will translate it for us, I guess. Who knew that we’d become dependent on news sources like “GorillasGuides?”
Bob in HI
JPL @ 46
Anyone from the Bush family standing up so that a few of the battle weary can stand down? W loves to play the tough guy when all the risks are shouldered by the children of other people.
time to remind everyone of Zbigniew Brzezinski’s statement before the senate foreign relations committee on feb, 1, 2007:
excellent youtube clip
audio
transcript
every day congress leaves our troops in iraq, they increase the chances of a war with iran.
CTuttle … I did. The problem that they have is that Radio Sawa was reporting that the US troops had laid seige to the Sheraton while a meeting there was going on … it’s not an essential detail but interesting since the US clearly realized they made some level of mistake (pissing off all levels of Iraq govt?) and then tried to spin … claiming they found the Iranians when they spotted an AK47 in a car at a checkpoint.
Just more spin ….
Peterr @ 41
You mean like Operation Northwoods?
Bustednuckles @ 27
What do they call that? Projectile Envy?
Bob in HI
Great post, Siun, it seems like there’s more questions than answers.
OT –
In case you missed it, Virginia Democratic Congressman Jim Moran took my Brian Baird question in his chatz today (my bold):
More and better Democrats, indeed. More talk like this please, Democratic leadership!
Siun @ 57
I fully concur! In an aside, who doesn’t carry an AK-47 in Iraq…??? ;-)
LS @ 50
thanks LS! Here’s hoping he keeps his word and his job!
.
.
and here’s a current piece on the Admiral
U.S. forces’ top commander in Mideast meets Lebanese officials
I don’t like it.
selise @ 56
Selise,
Z is correct, as usual.
I’ve always wondered why his ideas don’t get more play.
Must be that he’s always been swimming against the current.
God, do I hate well educated, conventional individuals.
Hi TSF–thank you so much for the Jim Moran quote. I hope Baird reads it.
bobschacht @ 54
I know the WaPo and several others you name have some pretty good locals who work with them in Iraq, going where American reporters cannot. Some get bylines, and others (for their own safety) do not. If a report comes out of their Bagdahd bureaus, you can bet someone with local language expertise has had a hand in it.
In fact, there was a CBS translator who just got kidnapped and killed just last week. According to this Boston Globe story, CBS says that his job had nothing to do with his death . . . but that’s kind of what I’d expect them to say, if they want to keep any locals on their staff, let alone hire any new ones.
Eureka - deployments in the Gulf ..
The Stennis and the Nimitz have left - and for a bit, there were no carriers in the Gulf.
The Enterprise has now arrived and will be joined by Harry S Truman in 3 months … or so they say:
Navy Times
TeddySanFran @ 60 -
hurray for Rep. Jim Moran! glad to know we’ve some members of congress able and willing to think for themselves.
Votus @ 64
Thank you for your first-person reports; I could not have asked my question without them.
Toobz rule.
TeddySanFran @ 68
that was an incredible series of reports Votus, what detail!
thanks for sharing all that with us.
Elliott @ 18
Sadly though I don’t think this country will ever be free of Bush and his legacy. It will haunt this country forever as well it should. Just as Germany is always equated with Hitler let this country always be equated with its own war criminal, George W. Bush.
Votus @ 34
They think we’ll look tough as we scramble to try to catch up to those agressive warhawks led by Dr. Cheney.
The main weakness of Democrats that Rove and Cheney exploit again and again and again and again is the Dems fear of looking weak. Why the Dems think that Me-too-ism makes them look strong is beyond me. The me-to-ism runs strongest at the DLC, where they have pathetically misread the military posture of JFK (remember the “Missile Gap”?).
I think the way Democrats look strong is to fight idiotic wars of agression propounded by chickenhawks.
Bob in HI
Pursang @ 70
which is why we must repudiate these thugs and serve them with justice.
Just to add a bit of culture … while pulling this together, I stumbled across this set of photos: Ali Ansari’s photos which are just gorgeous.
And there’s an extraordinary site with info on Iran - cultural, historic, completely non-political and oh so amazing: Iran Chamber Society (h/t markfromireland for that one)
1,582 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen Siun and the Firepup Patriots:
It is clear now that the Corporate fascists are tryin’ to create complete anarchy …war, pestilence (see Katrina), terror, genocide, destruction of all institutions of intercultural communication and cooperation.
In our community this week, the school board was informed that the grant that the federal government had conned the community into accepting to fund 4 year old kindergarten thru a “creative” use of charter schools in multiple daycare facilities, now has no money and the school district owes the local day cares $150,000 for services provided to date jest this year!!!
The provocation of Iran is jest another piece of the strategy of anarchy the fascists are implementing not only against the United States but against the whole fuckin’ world!!
I’m convinced that we’re gunna see a “state of national emergency” before we have another national election. There is a titanic battle goin’ on in the rulin’ oligarchy between the Yankees and the Cowboys…established eastern bankin and new corporate communication interests with an axis between Murdock and the Rockefeller institutions are at war with the western oil and southern political powers.
We out here in the street are irrelevant except in so far as which side we run to for protection from the other.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION…POLITICS IS NOW WAR!!
Pursang @ 70
Hopefully, he’s the end of the line for Bush family members in high office.
CTuttle @ 36
The first thing I thought of was that they were preparing DOMESTIC emergencies.
Those guys are dangerous, as is the Commander in Chief.
Bob in HI
Pursang @ 70
FWIW, I believe GWB will affect American politics (both at the congressional and the presidential levels) for a long time after he leaves.
If HRC is elected, she will spend at least her entire first term dealing with the mess bush left behind.
Siun @ 28
Siun,
Junya’s “outrage” at PM Maliki’s poor governance (pot calling kettle, howdy!) was a scripting error.
Junya’s script said that he was to perform that particular kabuki only after the September 15th Iraq Progress Report from General Davey
CrockettPetraeus and Ambassador Ryan Crocker.Somehow, the WH screwed up and gave Junya the wrong day’s script. After figuring this out, the WH got Junya back on the correct script. You know, the one where PM Maliki is his BFF.
Sorta like: Jeebus Junya, Ixnay on the oupcay! That’s not scheduled until after we sucker those Dimmicrats again in September to vote for our Iraq War funding bill.
Siun @ 73
spectacular!
and thank you, siun, for another great post.
IF HRC is elected, she’ll just put a prettier face on the same horrid foreign policy I fear.
Siun @ 80
Lipstick and rouge applied to the pig…!!!
Selise - aren’t they gorgeous!? I was mesmerized … I love the intricate designs and hope someday to see in person.
If we do go after Iran it will have to be a complete air campaign. There simply isn’t enough troop strength on the ground or in reserve to put sufficient numbers in country. Being an air campaign lends itself to the use of weapons you wouldn’t use if your own troops were on the ground and within a reasonable distance of important targets.
I’m at a loss to understand our Democratic Congress if they don’t shut this down. If we do this then the rest of the civilized nations need to cease relations with us and begin to think of us as the enemy and war criminals.
I’m off to walk the dogs in the woods. I need some solitude and to see my pups enjoying their time. I just can’t think of this anymore today for it will all be here tomorrow.
Elliott @ 72
Elliot, I agree 100%.
There is a secret plan in the White House to make the situation in Iraq look good - make an even bigger mess with Iran.
Meanwhile, the reason so many people are leaving the Bush administration in Washington is to fan out across America to be ready to take over when the next BIG EMERGENCY happens and Bush mobilizes the remaining National Guard troops still at home.
The above might almost be funny if the last 7 years hadn’t made them seem so plausible.
Siun @ 45
What I read is that Sadr’s field commanders were getting a bit too independent in their actions, and Sadr decided it was time to rein them in and get everyone on board the same train. I think he’s “re-grouping”. Besides, what was happening was turning into a fire fight with supporters of Grand Ayatollah Al-Sistani, and he doesn’t need that. Sadr may have started out as a hot head, but his strategic sensitivities have proven to be remarkably adept.
Bob in HI
1,582 dayz and the killin’ goez on and on and..
Citizen Jonathan and the Firepup Patriots:
“If HRC is elected, she will spend at least her entire first term dealing with the mess bush left behind.”
HRC is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Murdock-Rockefeller corporatists faction (the Yankees), if this political cycle gets to election and HRC wins nuthin’ will change except Exxon and Enron and Haliburton won’t be gettin what’s left of the treasury!!
KEEP THE FAITH AND DO THE WORK…WE’RE AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS TUB A SHIT!!!
Have a good walk Pursang. And yes, this is air only attack … Faux news was showing maps a year ago of the 200 selected targets for carpet bombing. I don’t think they invented them by themselves.
New Thread
TeddySanFran @ 68
Happy to do it. I will do my best to keep you all posted on what happens here in terms of candidates that might run against him.
If the Joint Chiefs had listened to me last year, they’d be better off.
Sheesh. Some brass.
Siun @ 73
Those photographs are absolutely gorgeous! Thank you!
Here is HRC speech to A***C:
http://www.senate.gov/~clinton.....?id=268474
Siun, Thank you so much!
I concur–thanks, Siun.
Bob - I had heard the fight was between the Mahdi militia and Badr brigade .. and then the Green Zone sent in big reinforcements (for the Badr side I assume though in the guise of “legitmate govt”)
Sadr has also called for an impartial investigation of what happened in Karbala since the US (surprise) is claiming his forces started it. Yet the initial reports were people getting upset at the thuggishness of the “security” forces at the gates … from all I hear, this was not a Sadr launched battle but a situation that blew up and then involved his forces. He was calling for calm and an end to fighting yesterday afternoon …
Obama’s speech to A(*&C:
“As the U.S. redeploys from Iraq, we can recapture lost influence in the
Middle East. We can refocus our efforts to critical, yet neglected
priorities, such as combating international terrorism and winning the war
in Afghanistan. And we can, then, more effectively deal with one of the
greatest threats to the United States, Israel and world peace: Iran.
Iran’s President Ahmadinejad’s regime is a threat to all of us. His
words contain a chilling echo of some of the world’s most tragic
history.
Unfortunately, history has a terrible way of repeating itself. President
Ahmadinejad has denied the Holocaust. He held a conference in his
country, claiming it was a myth. But we know the Holocaust was as real as
the 6 million who died in mass graves at Buchenwald, or the cattle cars to
Dachau or whose ashes clouded the sky at Auschwitz. We have seen the
pictures. We have walked the halls of the Holocaust museum in Washington
and Yad Vashem. We have touched the tattoos on loved-ones arms. After 60
years, it is time to deny the deniers.
In the 21^st century, it is unacceptable that a member state of the United
Nations would openly call for the elimination of another member state. But
that is exactly what he has done. Neither Israel nor the United States has
the luxury of dismissing these outrages as mere rhetoric.
The world must work to stop Iran’s uranium enrichment program and
prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons. It is far too dangerous to
have nuclear weapons in the hands of a radical theocracy. And while we
should take no option, including military action, off the table, sustained
and aggressive diplomacy combined with tough sanctions should be our
primary means to prevent Iran from building nuclear weapons.
Iranian nuclear weapons would destabilize the region and could set off a
new arms race. Some nations in the region, such as Egypt, Saudi Arabia
and Turkey, could fall away from restraint and rush into a nuclear contest
that could fuel greater instability in the region—that’s not just bad
for the Middle East, but bad for the world, making it a vastly more
dangerous and unpredictable place. Other nations would feel great pressure
to accommodate Iranian demands. Terrorist groups with Iran’s backing
would feel emboldened to act even more brazenly under an Iranian nuclear
umbrella. And as the A.Q. Kahn network in Pakistan demonstrated, Iran
could spread this technology around the world.
To prevent this worst-case scenario, we need the United States to lead
tough-minded diplomacy.”
Early NPR reports from Iraq on the taking of the Iranians said that the only people armed were their Iraqi bodyguards. This comment was dropped from later local commentary. It is a sad thing to watch NPR being co-opted much as the MSM and cable news programming has been. Do they really think that we’re going to buy the bullshit a third time?
Shame on us if we do…
LS @ 93
Any chance someone could provide a shorter HRC for the lazy plebes?
Bob and all … GorillasGuides has just posted an update from Karbala - team members are there.
Update 5
I’m just reading it now myself …
The Nation on Edwards’ Iran problem:
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/notion?pid=161493
Amilius - may I recommend listening to the streams of the BBC (though they are not set up for Mac’s) … NPR has become so conservative, their news is not trustworthy. The Beeb is not progressive but tends to get the facts right.
Also. Al Jazeera English is available online - you have to subscribe but it is very inexpensive and is a very well done news station (and not at all like the hype we’ve been told)
jc inOR @ 99
Well, I don’t want to words in people’s mouths. The best thing to do is to read all of their speeches…just skip through to the parts where they take a stand.
oops - what a post (4:03pm) to drop the snark tag. merde.
OTOH - so long as the NSA is hovering about:
OK JCS - and another thing!
Enough with the freaking Blue Angels’ freaking warplanes terrifying this densely populated city for three days. What are you trying to prove - you’re so brave you can frighten hospitals full of confused elderly ex-flower children?
What a bunch of incompetents - you’re supposed to defend us, not harass us.
If the Blue Angels have such an itch to see San Francisco rooftops just hire the flipping Goodyear Blimp.
So, dickwads, quit the low-altitude urban aerobatics - besides, the codpieces in Castro make your flight suits look puny.
Anyway, that’s what Larry heard Cletis say.
Siun @ 73
Nice set of photos on Isfahan and the surrounding area. Iranians have an expression, “Isfahan, nusfijan” — Isfahan is half the world. For centuries, it was the summer capital of the Persian empire. I have an isfahani carpet that I bought in the 1970s.
Bob in HI
Siun @ 100
the GorillasGuides reporters must be very brave to get these reports.
Siun @ 100
Yikes!!! Is this countering the baby TET or is this the baby TET?
I’m tellin’ ya. Sadr is regrouping…pulling back..for now. Watch out. That is typically tribal.
LS - what do you mean “typically tribal”?
karbala is about 150 Kilometers SSW of Baghdad. Basra, which is imploding is also south…(exit route) 450 KM S of Baghdad. As far as I can tell.
Siun @ 96
Yes, this sounds right to me, especially the last few sentences. I had different information on your first few sentences, but I can’t remember the source (although it was probably NPR, and I could be remembering incorrectly.)
Bob in HI
Siun @ 109
Well, the Arabic tribes have been strategic war experts for a very, very long time. They like to raid, get in get out, retreat…surround, and then attack. It is a central part of their culture..for centuries. It used to be on horseback. They are very slick, and they like silence.
LS @ 112
Just to expand a little bit. The fact that they “melted” away when the US came into their territory is typical. They aren’t the kind of warriors to stand in a big line and get mowed down. They don’t get mad, they get even. When the time is right, they will surround and attack. That is what they do, that is how they fight, no matter how they are trained by “Europeans”. They will entrap.
LS - it’s important to remember that Iraq is a sophisticated society which has had an extremely capable military force. While there are tribal influences, I think Sadr is maneuvering for power and Iraqi legitimacy … not acting out of some tribal tradition.
Aside - all of the talk of US forces training the Iraqi army always makes me spit …the Iraqis are way more competent than the forces we are shipping over with no training and no understanding of the terrain. The inherent arrogance (and racism) of our attitudes are stunning.
Siun @ 114
They are amazingly sophisticated and have been portrayed as idjiots by the media. Do not underestimate them. They believe time is on their side. This is why the US is having such a tough time with them. They fight differently than the West. They will do things their way. They operate much more from a place of strategy than force.
Eureka Springs @ 40
That’s just Bushworld. I do think that’s how he decides what to do. part of what makes him scary.
Bush operates like the OK Corral - the Arabs operate more like Ninjas. There is no military solution.
As far as Iran goes, that is another story. They are not Arabs.
Jonathan @ 16
LOL!
(just that part of your post, Jonathan. The rest…not so funny.)
LS @ 117
Do you suppose Bush and the neocons know that?
(No, seriously)
kirk murphy @ 104
I too really dislike the Blue Angels. Are we supposed to be impressed, ’cause I just get annoyed.
CTuttle @ 30
from your linked article:
Wouldn’t you think our military would ASK the gov’t of a “sovereign nation” if they know anything about a group they’re thinking of arresting?
Pursang @ 83
I’m strongly in agreement w/ your 2nd par., 1st sentence but believe the Demo/Dinos will nonetheless fold (as they have so many times since gaining majority status) and let the Chimp initiate another disastrous, genocidal war & occupation. A*P*C will be happy, the rest of us don’t matter.
I wish I could agree on your 2nd sentences prognostication. Certainly the citizens of most of the world’s countries are repelled at Amerikkka’s wars of aggression and slaughter. But with two new far-right gov’ts. in Europe (Germany & France) since ‘03, & Gordon Brown playing Poodle two to Emperor “Little Boots” Bush, I don’t think the US will be censured by the “world community” (read: political elite) in the short term. We have a massive economy and are buying the rest of the world’s products while cutting jobs here w/ outsourcing etc.
Until people are really hurt (more noticeably than they have been) by the war crimes & looting of our political elite, this country will continue on its downward spiral into something more horrible even than Rome at its worst. A day of reckoning will come, but my prediction is a lot more sh*t must hit the fan first.
Quick Navy carrier group link - http://www.navy.mil/navydata/n.....asp?id=146
I’m not anyone who would know, but based on the past performances of these Bushies and what/when Bush 1 left some messes for Mr. Clinton (Waco, Somalia, aftermath of Ruby Ridge), my guess for the Iran attack (nuclear air assault) is 09/08, just in time to wrench the elections (if they occur) and just in time to stick the new guy (if) with the disaster the new guy (of course) will be blamed for… Of course.
tejanarusa @ 121
But…but… our military has a “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy, doesn’t it?
Bob in HI
Siun @ 100
I had a response about 90% written, and then had to leave suddenly before sending, and when I got back, I accidently zapped my message before I got back to it. Anyway, Siun, thanks for this link. Gorillasguides appears to be an excellent source of raw news, although at times it might take a Juan Cole to understand it properly. I wouldn’t call the situation there a Tet offensive kinda thing, because the setting is more civil war than the locals attacking the invaders. But one thing I really love about this reporting is that it consistently refers to Maliki’s government as the “green zone government”, which reallyy puts it in proper perspective!
Oh, well, I suppose we’re in EPU-land, anyway.
Bob in HI
tejanarusa @ 119
Do you suppose that to the neo-cons, they’re all just rag-heads who live where the oil is, and besides, George thinks that because they don’t worship Jesus Christ Our Lord and Savior, they’re all going to Hexx anyway?
Bob in HI
#7 | GordonM says on August 29th, 2007 at 3:10 pm:
“Hmm. A few grams of uranium enriched 3%. Saying they’re on the edge of nuclear holocaust is about like saying that a half bottle of near beer is the same as a few barrels of bourbon. And that’s ignoring that, as N Korea discovered, setting the stuff off is not as easy as it sounds.”
Gordon, actually it’s worse. The North Koreans were likely testing a plutonium bomb, fabricated from the material they had recovered from their weapons breeder reactor. Plutonium is nasty stuff, almost wanting to detonate if looked at nastily. A plutonium bomb usually incorporates an implosion design, which depends on hyperfast switches for the implosion detonators. A simple gun design can’t use plutonium because it will explode before reaching a full chain reaction.
Reaching the required U235 concentration becomes the real trick. It will demand total attention to detail. The concentration requirements will increase as the level of concentration rises. Of course, any bomb built from U235 below the required threshhold won’t work either. If this were so simple, as Bush’s administration alleges, virtually anybody could do it their garage.
Siun:
of course they won’t.
most of the Washington (D)’s support such an attack anyway, which gives the lie to their tactical, poll-driven, faux ‘opposition’ to the current criminal travesty in Iraq.
and by doing nothing to avert Cheney/Bush’s warmongering, they are setting the table for their own defeat in 2008.
Iran has top-shelf missile technology, they could sink a carrier in the Gulf. That, or another ‘casualty producing event’ is just the thing the neo-cons are so geared up for. They would be ready to exploit it fully, the (D)’s would try to play some paltry catch-up, and low info voters would choose … who?
bobschacht @ 126
Of course not. Harken Energy, and Arbusto (Spanish for Bush), were funded by the Arabs (Saudi Arabia specifically…whose citizens, BTW, attacked the WTC). W owes them $$$$$ mucho $$$$$. W is not really religious, or he would not kill; that is just one of the 10 commandments he violates frequently. For Goddesses’ sake…
This is about payback, oil, deals, and war profiteering. Period. It is not about honor, or defense, or anything remotely resembling it.
I dont like French Poodles!
Elliott @ 92
Wonderful…
Some of the photos remind me of how an old Japanese woodblock print would present a beautiful image…(like Kawase Hasui one of my all time favorites)…
Because Bush and Cheney live in a fantasy land, someone needs to ask them just what army they plan to use to invade Iran. They seem to have not notices how broken the American military is by their silly war in Iraq. If the American people allow these liars and cheats to bomb Iran, there will be no more US of A.
It’s hard to separate the wheat from the chaff in this post. We harassed a bunch of Iranian government (or quasi-government) representatives in Baghdad. Big deal. Iran may be helping people who are fighting against us. Probably true, but that’s the least of our problems in Iraq. Sarkozy gave a tough speech about Iran’s nuclear program. That’s actually a good thing. The more united the West is in making it clear this is something that we take seriously, the more likely it is that we and Iran can reach a peaceful resolution. Bush’s saber-rattling? Counter-productive, because no one believes a word he says any more. And not just his credibility is shot — OUR credibility is shot. Part of the bill for his (and our) idiocy.
Who ever stops this warlord from starting another war should be the next president.
raven @ 25
French neo-con President Sarkozy threatens Iran with bombing and the WP reads it to mean that he warns against attacking Iran.
In the same speech, Sarkozy made a veiled threat to attack Pakistan. The way he described Russia(brutal) and China(insatiable) borders on xenophobic or even racist.
However he does like one country, Israel, and uses the typical code word “security” to give it a blank check to do what it wants.
If Sarkozy had been president in 2003, the chances are that he would have been in the Coalition of the Willing Poodles. It seems that there is now a new Axis of the Stupid–Bush-Sarkozy.
thanks, siun for this post.
I have been thinking about why we are being distracted these past few days. I am more frightened of this administration than I have ever been.
I heard only part of Thom Hartmann yesterday, and he and a guest were discussing the “declaration of war against Iran” and although I had not heard bush’s statement, I did not doubt it. I am leaving for work now, but I’ll try to read this post later this morning.
So they arrested a bunch of electricians/engineers who were rebuilding that power grid that the US was supposed to rebuild years ago?!? Just because they are Iranian? OK that is barbaric.
“…Drink deep from that pieran spring,
or not at all,
For a little learning is a dangerous
thing….” - Alexander Pope, (paraphrased)
cOjones = testicles
cAjones = cabinet drawers
— and, NO, they don’t have the cabinet drawers or the fallopian tubes to pull it off!