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		<title>By: alank</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/28/morning-cuppa-stories/#comment-926382</link>
		<dc:creator>alank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yossarian lives!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Tanbark</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/28/morning-cuppa-stories/#comment-926227</link>
		<dc:creator>Tanbark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Apropos; Sadr’s militia have taken over the central Basra police station.    I doubt they’ll want to mix it up with american units to hold onto THEIR gains, but keeping that Kuwait-to-Baghdad supply line open is going to be a thankless task, especially for U.S. troops with a “shoot-first-ask-questions-later”&lt;br /&gt;
rules of engagement.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;    I’ve been thinking that bush could string this out until next spring, or even summer, until the thick of the campaign, but I don’t believe the GOP can stand that.   I think the Goldwater Swat Team is gearing up, as we post.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apropos; Sadr’s militia have taken over the central Basra police station.    I doubt they’ll want to mix it up with american units to hold onto THEIR gains, but keeping that Kuwait-to-Baghdad supply line open is going to be a thankless task, especially for U.S. troops with a “shoot-first-ask-questions-later”<br />
rules of engagement.  </p>
<p>    I’ve been thinking that bush could string this out until next spring, or even summer, until the thick of the campaign, but I don’t believe the GOP can stand that.   I think the Goldwater Swat Team is gearing up, as we post.</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/28/morning-cuppa-stories/#comment-926226</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-926202&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Mary @ 92&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;selise - I am really bad at dates, so no.  I bet, though, that Kucinich’s office might actually answer an inquiry as to the date (and possible archive availability) of a whistleblowers subcommittee hearing in 2006 where Shays was Chair and Kucinich ranking member.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;could it have been &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2006_hr/index.html&quot;&gt;this one&lt;/a&gt; (scroll down):&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;National Security Whistleblowers in the post-9/11 Era:&lt;br /&gt;
Lost in a Labyrinth and Facing Subtle Retaliation&lt;br /&gt;
14 February 2006 - House Committee on Government Reform:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-926202"><em>Mary @ 92</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>selise &#8211; I am really bad at dates, so no.  I bet, though, that Kucinich’s office might actually answer an inquiry as to the date (and possible archive availability) of a whistleblowers subcommittee hearing in 2006 where Shays was Chair and Kucinich ranking member.</p>
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<p>could it have been <a href="http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2006_hr/index.html">this one</a> (scroll down):</p>
<blockquote><p>National Security Whistleblowers in the post-9/11 Era:<br />
Lost in a Labyrinth and Facing Subtle Retaliation<br />
14 February 2006 &#8211; House Committee on Government Reform:</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/28/morning-cuppa-stories/#comment-926202</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;selise - I am really bad at dates, so no.  I bet, though, that Kucinich’s office might actually answer an inquiry as to the date (and possible archive availability) of a whistleblowers subcommittee hearing in 2006 where Shays was Chair and Kucinich ranking member.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>selise &#8211; I am really bad at dates, so no.  I bet, though, that Kucinich’s office might actually answer an inquiry as to the date (and possible archive availability) of a whistleblowers subcommittee hearing in 2006 where Shays was Chair and Kucinich ranking member.</p>
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		<title>By: maunga</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/28/morning-cuppa-stories/#comment-926194</link>
		<dc:creator>maunga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;1.  I seem to remember the nickname “Betrayus” comes from te troops in Iraq…… He was in charge of te training mission at the time, so he is responsible.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;2.  OT is a lot more serious.  Are we all hammering at our Congress members to stand up to A*P*C and not to listen to its PNAC lies about Iran.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bush is very close to irretrievably destroying the US and attacking Iran on behalf of Israel, as he attacked Iraq on Israel’s behalf would finish us off. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There is neither economic, strategic, let alone tactical reason for the United States to attack Iran, and anyway, despite the US’s might it is  way too stretched to attack.  One can but ope that there are a few heads in the DoD who know how to look at maps and measure distances.  They should especially consider the geographic size of Iran and its population, about 3 times that of Iraq at c. 70 million, then they might care to look at te length of the border between Iraq and Iran, followed by a wee bit of thought about the nearness and vulnerability of the oil fields on the western side of the Gulf, with the attendant added kick to our economy when Iran bombs them!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1.  I seem to remember the nickname “Betrayus” comes from te troops in Iraq…… He was in charge of te training mission at the time, so he is responsible.</p>
<p>2.  OT is a lot more serious.  Are we all hammering at our Congress members to stand up to A*P*C and not to listen to its PNAC lies about Iran.</p>
<p>Bush is very close to irretrievably destroying the US and attacking Iran on behalf of Israel, as he attacked Iraq on Israel’s behalf would finish us off. </p>
<p>There is neither economic, strategic, let alone tactical reason for the United States to attack Iran, and anyway, despite the US’s might it is  way too stretched to attack.  One can but ope that there are a few heads in the DoD who know how to look at maps and measure distances.  They should especially consider the geographic size of Iran and its population, about 3 times that of Iraq at c. 70 million, then they might care to look at te length of the border between Iraq and Iran, followed by a wee bit of thought about the nearness and vulnerability of the oil fields on the western side of the Gulf, with the attendant added kick to our economy when Iran bombs them!</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
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		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-926155&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Mary @ 88&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt; - &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;do you recall the approximate hearing date? i have audio recordings of some hearings (even some, i think, i’ve never listened to)…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-926155"><em>Mary @ 88</em></a> &#8211; </p>
<p>do you recall the approximate hearing date? i have audio recordings of some hearings (even some, i think, i’ve never listened to)…</p>
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		<title>By: brendan</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/28/morning-cuppa-stories/#comment-926156</link>
		<dc:creator>brendan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-926113&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;selise @ 75&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-926105&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;james @ 67&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Now if the Pentagon IG would also look into the three trillion dollars that went missing before this war started along with this malfeasance, that would be appreciated.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I thought it was nine billion, not three.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;three trillion?!&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-926113"><em>selise @ 75</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-926105"><em>james @ 67</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Now if the Pentagon IG would also look into the three trillion dollars that went missing before this war started along with this malfeasance, that would be appreciated.</p>
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<p>I thought it was nine billion, not three.</p>
<p><b>three trillion?!</b></p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/28/morning-cuppa-stories/#comment-926155</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;RPS @ 56 - I’m not sure if there is any way to get access to old c-span coverage of House subcommittee hearings, but if there is, you should take the time to watch a hearing on whistleblowers that was held before the 2006 elections by the subcommittee then headed by Chris Shays (Kucinich was the ranking member).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Provance was one of the witnesses. He gave detailed accounts of the abuses by Military Intelligence (MI - not the MPolice charged, but the Intel guys who may well have had approvals and authorizations all the way up the chain of command for their abusive behaviout - often involving absolutely innocent civilians).  He was willing to name names, recite specifics, and he gave a lot of info on how the GITMO measure migrated.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Shays made this wonderful pretense of being interested and willing to get to the bottom of things.  You could tell watching that Kucinich was a little surprised, but very pleased.  Of course, nothing ever happened or came of it (no surprise really).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What would have been a surprise to anyone who watched those hearings and Shays participation would have been the Congressman’s statements, a few months later while campaigning, that Abu Ghraib didn’t involve torture, just a sex ring and some rambunctious folk.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The bloodied dog bites, naked stress positions, blows, dead bodies on ice, etc. - that he dismissed all of those public knowledge issues was bad enough.  That he did that with direct testimony before him of the actual delibertate abuse and torture by MI as a part of their interrogation authorizations - dang he’s scum.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RPS @ 56 &#8211; I’m not sure if there is any way to get access to old c-span coverage of House subcommittee hearings, but if there is, you should take the time to watch a hearing on whistleblowers that was held before the 2006 elections by the subcommittee then headed by Chris Shays (Kucinich was the ranking member).</p>
<p>Provance was one of the witnesses. He gave detailed accounts of the abuses by Military Intelligence (MI &#8211; not the MPolice charged, but the Intel guys who may well have had approvals and authorizations all the way up the chain of command for their abusive behaviout &#8211; often involving absolutely innocent civilians).  He was willing to name names, recite specifics, and he gave a lot of info on how the GITMO measure migrated.  </p>
<p>Shays made this wonderful pretense of being interested and willing to get to the bottom of things.  You could tell watching that Kucinich was a little surprised, but very pleased.  Of course, nothing ever happened or came of it (no surprise really).</p>
<p>What would have been a surprise to anyone who watched those hearings and Shays participation would have been the Congressman’s statements, a few months later while campaigning, that Abu Ghraib didn’t involve torture, just a sex ring and some rambunctious folk.</p>
<p>The bloodied dog bites, naked stress positions, blows, dead bodies on ice, etc. &#8211; that he dismissed all of those public knowledge issues was bad enough.  That he did that with direct testimony before him of the actual delibertate abuse and torture by MI as a part of their interrogation authorizations &#8211; dang he’s scum.</p>
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		<title>By: brendan</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/28/morning-cuppa-stories/#comment-926152</link>
		<dc:creator>brendan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Richmond:  “germane”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: james</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/28/morning-cuppa-stories/#comment-926146</link>
		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-926097&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Richmond @ 61&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;A question for pups (and an apology). I had wanted to put out something yesterday and forgot. Alas I no longer have the paper where I saw it (recycled NYT yesterday). &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There was an obit yesterday or the weekend for an historian (name??) who did what seemed to me to be amazing work on the link between popular “end times” movements (like Rapturites but this was not mentioned) and Totalitarianism. He went back to the 13th-14th century as I recall in documenting the historic link between beliefs about end times and totalitarian political trends. Any one else see this and know the author’s name? I thought the whole thing was particularly apt today.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/27/world/europe/27cohn.html?ref=obituaries&quot;&gt;New York Times&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<blockquote><p>A question for pups (and an apology). I had wanted to put out something yesterday and forgot. Alas I no longer have the paper where I saw it (recycled NYT yesterday). </p>
<p>There was an obit yesterday or the weekend for an historian (name??) who did what seemed to me to be amazing work on the link between popular “end times” movements (like Rapturites but this was not mentioned) and Totalitarianism. He went back to the 13th-14th century as I recall in documenting the historic link between beliefs about end times and totalitarian political trends. Any one else see this and know the author’s name? I thought the whole thing was particularly apt today.</p>
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<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/27/world/europe/27cohn.html?ref=obituaries">New York Times</a></p>
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