If Senator Warner was looking for a way to test his theory that drawing a few thousand US surge troops out of Baghdad would send a helpful message to the central Iraqi government, it appears the British have come up with an opportunity.
Via Pat Lang and the U.K. Telegraph, we learn the Brits are getting close to pulling their remaining troops out of Basra, so it looks like Generals Petraeus and Odierno will have to divert a US combat brigade to Basra to take their place, if for no other reason than someone has to guard the convoys supplying our forces to the north and guard the path back to Kuwait and the Southern Iraqi port, just in case . . .
I guess the “message” we’re sending to those uncooperative Iraqis is this: despite what General Lynch said to Warner about the danger of giving up our “gains,” we’re willing to abandon our “gains” in the North to cover our possible escape route.
Fred Kaplan thinks it’s not fair to our guys to watch the Brits leave while they have to stay and pick up the slack, and of course he’s right, but there is a solution to that problem . . .
_________
In the meantime, remember the report by the General Accounting Office about those missing weapons that became unaccounted for while General Petraeus was in charge of arming and training Iraqi security forces? Well, it seems that there is huge criminal investigation looking into that and they neglected to tell Warner about it the first time around. From today’s NYT:
Several federal agencies are investigating a widening network of criminal cases involving the purchase and delivery of billions of dollars of weapons, supplies and other matériel to Iraqi and American forces, according to American officials. The officials said it amounted to the largest ring of fraud and kickbacks uncovered in the conflict here, the officials said.
The inquiry has already led to several indictments of Americans, with more expected, the officials said. One of the investigations involves a senior American officer who worked closely with Gen. David H. Petraeus in setting up the logistics operation to supply the Iraqi forces when General Petraeus was in charge of training and equipping those forces in 2004 and 2005, American officials said Monday.
It’s unclear how and whether Petraeus’ aide, a Lt. Colonel, is implicated in any wrong doing. Of the over $40 billion in funds allocated for Iraq armaments and rebuilding, “inquiries involve contracts valued at more than $5 billion, and Colonel Baggio said the charges so far involve more than $15 million in bribes.”
But federal officials say the inquiry has moved far beyond the initial investigation of hundreds of thousands of improperly tracked assault rifles and semiautomatic pistols that grew out of Senator Warner’s query. In fact, Senator Warner said in a statement to The New York Times that he was outraged when he was briefed recently on the initial findings of the investigations. . . .
In a sign of the seriousness of the scandal, the Defense Department Inspector General, Claude M. Kicklighter, will lead an 18-person team to Iraq early next month to investigate contracting practices, said Geoff Morrell, a Pentagon spokesman.
I’m reminded of the Administration official, Stewart Bowen, who on Sunday misled CNN’s Tom Foreman on This Week at War with the following statement:
First let me make the point that corruption that we talk about in our latest reports has to do with the corruption within the Iraqi government, not within the U.S. program.
As Gonzales would say, the $5 billion at issue in the Times report must have been from some other program that the President has not acknowledged.
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Zed for all.
ha
Good Morning
Good Morning, Scarecrow and firepups!
Wow – I caught this one at the beginning. Top ten even.
Caw, Caw Scarecrow!
sorry to go OT so early – but i just heard conyers say (on democracy now!) that there is “likely to be a contempt citation” for harriet miers when congress returns.
woo hoo!
Seven?
Corruption, in the BushCo military? That couldn’t possibly be true. There must be another explanation.
I got it.
It must be a massive sting operation that the Lt. Col. is operating, trying to sweep up all the blackmarket arms dealers in one fell swoop.
A sting. Yeah, that’s the ticket.
zed, almost. and Good morning for sure.
Now: is there a connection between all this and the complaints brought by the Navy whistleblower in Iraq who was then imprisoned and tortured that we read about a few days ago?
‘morning, all… hold out your cups…
look at that! I got a double zed!
selise @ 7
What about Rove?
conyers now claiming that the house leadership was against the fisa law changes – and how they (conyers, reyes and pelosi) pleaded with their caucus.
of course, this is contradicted by alter’s reporting and, apparently, by the events as they unfolded. sigh.
selise @ 7
Representative Conyers — talk is cheap. We would like some real citations issued with some real force behind them. Threats will not do it, sir. Just my opinion.
solai @ 13
don’t think conyers said anything about rove.
scott horton up now – amy goodman is interviewing him on abu gonzales.
link for live webcast.
Great post, scarecrow. I’m guessing that this latest investigation may have been part of what pushed Warner into publicly calling for at least a token withdrawl.
Bush is starting to learn that Senators don’t like being treated like mushrooms — kept in the dark and fed manure.
Even (or maybe especially) Senators of his own party.
Good mornin’ everybody-I’m off to get my second cup but before I do…
“Several federal agencies are investigating a widening network of criminal cases involving the purchase and delivery of billions of dollars of weapons, supplies and other matériel to Iraqi and American forces, according to American officials.”
Weren’t we told that there’d be all kinds of business opportunities in Iraq? I guess you gotta get it while the gettin’ is good.
OldCoastie @ 11
mmmm….. Thanks OC. Mornin’ firepups.
Jessalyn Raddack is all over Chertof. She sounds great on Democracy Now
A new Bush picture to add to the Hall of Infamy.
I call this one, “The Benito”
headin’ up to the mountains this a.m. for one last burst of R&R before the kiddies come back to school…
oh, I hope it’s cooler up there!
scarecrow – will the ongoing criminal investigations into the missing money / missing weapons be affected by DOJ changes, or is it all internal to the pentagon IG?
Even kids selling lemonaide on the side of the road know to have at least two kids at the stand. That makes it less likely that some punk will stiff them for the dime. You’d think that when we’re selling billions of dollars worth of weapons we’d take a few more precautions to see that some bullies don’t stiff us for the billions.
test
Who knew that Rummy had a change of heart about US Foreign Policy exportation of death and destruction.
Rumsfeld’s Mysterious Resignation
By Robert Parry
The disclosure that Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld resigned on Nov. 6, 2006 – the day before the election, not the day after as previously thought – means that he was pushed out of his job the same day he suggested a de-escalation of the Iraq War.…his Nov. 6 memo, which called for a “major adjustment” in Iraq War policy and echoed troop withdrawal ideas of Democratic Rep. John Murtha of Pennsylvania…“Clearly what U.S. forces are currently doing in Iraq is not working well enough or fast enough,” Rumsfeld wrote in his Nov. 6 memo, seeking consideration of “an accelerated drawdown of U.S. bases” from 55 to 10 to 15 by April 2007 and to five by July 2007…”Two days before the election, the President summoned Gates to his ranch near Waco, Texas,” Barnes wrote. “It was the first time they’d talked about the Pentagon position. … It was only the two of them. No aides participated in the meeting…”The President wanted ‘clarity’ on Gates’s views, especially on Iraq and the pursuit of democracy. He asked if Gates shared the goal of victory in Iraq and would be determined to pursue it aggressively as defense chief.
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2007/081707.html
You’d think the year was 2007 not 1812 and Thomas Jefferson speaking of GWB, not Napoleon; “the wretch…who has been the author of more misery and suffering to the world, than any being who ever lived before him. After destroying the liberties of his country, he has exhausted all its resources, physical and moral, to indulge his own maniac ambition, his own tyrannical and overbearing spirit.”
“The liberty of speaking and writing guards our other liberties.”
–Thomas Jefferson: Reply to Address, 1808.
I think Jefferson would approve of and endorse the reasoned analysis offered on FDL, even if he disagreed with positions on issues.
BlueStateRedHead @ 10
That’s a really good question.
Good morning everyone.
Attaturk @ 21
Republics, you must be so proud.
selise @ 23
The story suggests DoJ is involved. AG’s leaving shouldn’t affect that, but who knows what follows?
rockpaperscissors — the Jefferson quote really is apt for our times, isn’t it?
Good Morning (Yawn!) from California…
Thanks, Scarecrow!
I had no idea, except my catch-up reading from last week had something in it about how Petraus is not exactly the *god* they make him out to be, of course.
I do hope that the whistleblower who was given the “enemy combatant” treatment gets justice someday. Would be *nice* if that could unravel as part of this.
When will people like Warner wake up. I know it’s kabuki but he does seem to be trying to maintain his dignity and they don’t help him out much. The wh LIARS really makes it impossible for these people. Heh.
Morning, all. Verrry interesting news, and I’m glad it’s being investigated. Really wish all these billions of dollars we’re spending was going to better use, but maybe this hemorrhage will stop. Before, you know, it all runs out. Bah.
Scarecrow @ 31
More so than ever ……………..
Off topic surprise: The AP story on Craig also mentions Vitter & Stevens problems, & that all are Republican senators.
Peterr — it’s a sign of how far we’ve fallen when what passes for the respectable Republican is a man like Warner — decent in his own context, but hopelessly unqualified to play the mature statesmen the times demand. He should be demanding the resignation of the entire White House cabal, but all he can do is ask they please consider sending a signal to al Maliki. It really is sad.
my concerns about conyers are growing: *at* *least* pelosi isn’t out there *lying* blatantly about what happened. give it time, i guess. if conyers et al think they are going to spin this history we are in deep shit. and if they were against it from the beginning *what* are they gonna say and do when their *efforts* to change it come to nought? indeed.
thanks to you, selise, and everyone else who dug into this so deeply so we know what really happened.
why won’t they use the rules to put the brakes on this crap for the common good? oh, I guess that wouldn’t be ‘comit-ous.’ my ass.
Chuck Hagel has been quiet for quite awhile now. I wonder why.
Peterr @ 9
Yeah! That’s it for sure. What a bunch of winners.
ironranger @ 39
I saw an article of him praising Bloomberg — is he angling for a spot on a third ticket?
Scarecrow @ 37
Sad, indeed, that loyalty to Bush has replaced fidelity to the Constitution for most elected GOP Reps and Senators.
Scarecrow @ 41
Broderella did his column on Sunday pushing a Hagel/Bloomberg “third way” ticket.
Downpuppy @ 36
hmmm…what, again, are the seven signs of the apocalypse?
Was it Ev Dirkson (R-Ill), the wizard of ooze who first coined – a billion here, a billion there, first thing you know, you’re talking serious money?
Scarecrow @ 31
the quotes continues, Jefferson condemned the imperialism of all the leading countries of Europe: “The will of the allies? There is no more moderation, forbearance, or even honesty in theirs, than in that of Bonaparte. They have proved that their object, like his, is plunder.”
I thought maybe the third party idea went bust, guess not.
Mutant Poodle @ 44
I think George Bush becoming President has to be in there somewhere.
Ooops. Lost my reference to:
selise @ 14
fdl reader @ 38
Lindsey Graham just did his two weeks of reserve duty in Iraq, doing lawyerly stuff as a JAG, and says the following in this morning’s WaPo:
Turned a corner? To hear Graham and his colleagues talk like this makes me think someone is lost. It seems like they’ve been going round and round the block, turning corner after corner, and never getting anywhere.
Except, of course, for the millions who’ve fled Iraq to Jordan, Syria, Kuwait, . . .
Morning everyone. OT (but is there ever an OT during morning “cuppa?”) – There is a mess brewing (already underway) with the banking industry, as pointed out last night on the “tubes” and today in an editorial in the NYT. Bank of America and Citi Bank have been allowed to borrow well beyond capacity (25 billion $$$) in a move countering long standing FDIC policy. This is a new problem, adding to an already serious one linked to mortgages.
What I would like to know is how (and why) these two banks were selected, and why they are allowed to put the rest of us at risk in this way(they will largely use the funds I think to shore up home mortgages of other banks).
Bank of America has its home in Georgia (as I recall) and has gobbled up local banks around the country over the course of the Bush era, repapering everything the bank touhes with the ueber patriotic Red-White-Blue and running (in my bank) a constant stream of live CNN shows of conservative vitriol as one attempts to bank. THey have bad consumer policies aimed at screwing the small banker and rarely donate locally (unlike the local banks they replaced).
With the ex-elizabeth-taylor making noses about voting with the Dems one has to wonder just how much influence the Iraq Contra scandal has played into his “decision”. Even the goopSens, I do believe, are getting little peeved at being blind sided and ignored by the idiots in the WH.
A greater question than whether Warner will flip flop is whether any of the dems found their backbones during summer recess. Surely the time has come for Leahy/Wax to bring down the hammer. None of the bushies or ex-bushies are likely to volunteer information and pis**ng around in the courts is just an exercise in wasting time.
The hammer of impeachment, particularly now that the bush wall of protection has been brought down, is the most efficacious way to go and with the “new” information of illegal arms sales and missing billions surely even the most ardent of bush supporters would have a hard time voting against an investigation.
It will certainly be interesting to see what betrayus has to say about all the money and guns gone missing when he appears before the Senate in a couple of weeks. I think the “fun” is just getting started!
We need an investigation to show there is corruption in Iraq?! Cheney, Vice President, former CEO of Halliburton, who still owns stock in Halliburton, gave no bid contracts to Halliburton in Iraq for billions of dollars. That is corruption.
Not to mention Bush’s and Cheney’s cozy relationship with the energy corporations. Remember Kenny Boy, Bush’s best friend?
It’s a little like the torture stuff, blaming a few bad apples when all they were doing was loyally following policy dictated from the top. But this is right in our face.
Peterr @ 49
When you keep “turning a corner” without going anywhere, I believe it is called running in circles…
“Via Pat Lang and the U.K. Telegraph, we learn the Brits are getting close to pulling their remaining troops out of Basra,”
Yep. I still think that Brown wants his troops OUT altogether. He (Brown) is playing a careful little political dance with Commander Guy so as not to embarrass him. But I do think Brown wants the Brits out. Brown strikes me as a rather thoughtful fella. I think he’ll be a good leader for the British people.
I just hope the goofy Iraqi folks try to settle down….but I doubt if they will. If we make a withdrawal (and I hope we do), and those Iraqi folks kick up a fuss….we’ll just level them. I hope they understand this. We’ll see.
Ghostman
Toles take on AL Gonzo – Funny!
When will the nightmare be over?
Army Adds Farce to Abu Ghraib Shame
A US Army intelligence analyst, my job at Abu Ghraib was systems administrator. But I had the bad luck to be on the 2000 to 0800 night shift. And so I saw the detainees dragged in for interrogation, heard the screams, and saw many of them dragged out, says Sam Provance.
….Awakening to the new reality, though, Taguba let it all out in a very telling way: “I had been in the Army 32 years by then, and it was the first time that I thought I was in the Mafia.”
http://www.middle-east-online……/?id=21897
The BushCo Mafia successful coup d’état of the United States Government.
dakine01 @ 53
If you’re a NASCAR driver, that can be a good thing.
If you’re an Iraqi civilian, on the other hand, not so much.
And when someone whose office has no corners to turn talks about “turning the corner,” one gets the feeling that he doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
Kagan thinks the British should increase their military spending so they can throw more men and material at the Iraqis. And, of course, they need to become more bloodthirsty.
In an 2002 report, CNN described Victor Bout as “the world’s most notorious arms trafficker”. Also, according to U.S. intelligence officials, “he’s every bit as dangerous as bin Laden”, and had “supplied arms to the Taliban and al Qaeda right up until September 11.” But, The Merchant of Death, instead of being put out of business, was recruited by the Republicans to supply weapons secretly to Iraq. Well, not so secret, even in 2004, these weapons deals were publicly reported. It seems large numbers of these weapons proabably went to insurgents.
Even though Bout has illegally flooded the third world with weapons, it seems Bush has given him some sort of amnesty. Criminal charges against Bout have been dropped, and he has made tens of millions of dollars, from US taxpayers, supplying weapons to Iraq. These weapons deals were approved by Wolfowitz. That suggests Rumsfeld, Feith and their cabal might have some secret deals of their own, as has been suggested.
From 2004, Mother Jones,
Records obtained by Mother Jones show that as recently as August, Air Bas, a company tied to Bout and his associates, was flying charter missions under contract with the U.S. military in Iraq. Air Bas is overseen by Victor Bout’s brother, Serguei, and his long-time business manager, Richard Chichakli, an accountant living in Texas; in the past, payments for Air Bas have gone to a Kazakh company that the United Nations identifies as “a front for the leasing operations of Victor Bout’s aircraft.”
From 2007, report by Farah and Braun,
Other firms linked to Bout had even carried high-security items like guns, ammo, and armored vehicles.
With diplomatic outrage mounting, President George W. Bush finally signed a Treasury order in July 2004 that authorized the permanent freezing of Bout’s assets in or passing through U.S. banks and called him an “unusual and extraordinary threat to the foreign policy of the United States.” But the Russian’s planes continued to fly for American contractors in Iraq for more than a year.
Some European officials warily suggest that the U.S. has even helped Bout evade arrest.
Downpuppy @ 36
GOP = Gay Old PArty
A question for pups (and an apology). I had wanted to put out something yesterday and forgot. Alas I no longer have the paper where I saw it (recycled NYT yesterday).
There was an obit yesterday or the weekend for an historian (name??) who did what seemed to me to be amazing work on the link between popular “end times” movements (like Rapturites but this was not mentioned) and Totalitarianism. He went back to the 13th-14th century as I recall in documenting the historic link between beliefs about end times and totalitarian political trends. Any one else see this and know the author’s name? I thought the whole thing was particularly apt today.
dakine01 @ 53
I finished your sentence, dakine! ;)
Local Fargo radio reporting that C-Span will be simulcasting Ed Schultz’s national show 11-2 Central Time.
One thing he’ll be talking about is the tornado which virtually leveled Northwood ND, one fatality, 18 serious injuries. I know, I know, it didn’t happen on the East Coast so it wasn’t real news….
Prairie Sunshine @ 62
Just today, or every day?
Ghostman @ 54
Brown’s performance so far has been very good and very dilligent. He moved mountains and worked very long hours from the get-go on the hoof and mouth and flooding events to get out in front of these crises.
The contrast with Bush and Katrina and any number of other problems is stunning. Just on the basis of competence Brown has to be examining what is happening to his people in Iraq. And the British/Nato command in Afghanistan has been complaining about the US bombing runs and civilian casualties working at cross-purposes with the British/Nato efforts to win over the population.
I can’t see Brown being anything but fed up already and very concerned about how enmeshment with Bush would impact his administartion in the long-term.
Richmond @ 60
didn’t see it, but i’m getting pretty good with the google – is this it?
Prairie,
Keep us posted about the tornado damage.
selise @ 23
This has been going on as long as the wingnuts were training Cubans up by Lake Pontchartrain back b4 JFK was murdered. Then, during Iran-Contra, North and his crew used the military surplus network along with some stolen guns from a Louisiana Reserve Base with the help of Special Forces people to arm the contras.
Now if the Pentagon IG would also look into the three trillion dollars that went missing before this war started along with this malfeasance, that would be appreciated.
And if any of these criminals ever do jail time, they can work on road gangs fixing our infrastructure.
You can get a summons for failing to pick up dog shit, but it’s ok to steal shopping bags full of money.
masaccio @ 58
Geez. These people not only think we can run the Iraqi government but the British too? Hey, with “friends” like Bush who needs enemies?
Good morning Scarecrow. Morning pups.
I understand the statement above. There are two or three or perhaps 200 completely different tyes of corruption going on. The big question is who can steal what behind everyone’s back.
BlueStateRedHead @ 10
This might also have something to do with LtCol Ted Westhuising from West Point who supposedly committed suicide after uncovering a contractor that was involved in illegal arms deals.
dakine01 @ 43
Yep — that’s where I saw it.
MSNBC headline:
“Why did Brits lose the stiff upper lip?”.
The petulance of our press and politicians is delicious. What to do now with all that cloying anglophilia when they start acting like Europeans instead of Oceanians.
Peterr @ 49
No Iraqi “turns a corner” without first checking for snipers. Graham has no clue what war is about.
james @ 67
three trillion?!
Military corruption and involvement at the highest levels – hmmmmmmmm.
Do the names Westhusing:
http://majikthise.typepad.com/…..thici.html
http://noquarter.typepad.com/m…..s_and.html
and
Vance:
http://www.salon.com/politics/…..index.html
come to mind?
Peterr @ 42
They never stray far from lockstep loyalty to party over country…look at McCarthy and the rank and file praises for him as he trod on the Bill of Rights and conducted his witch hunts.
The GOP during Nixon’s day wasn’t much better and during Reagan’s junta and since then there have been few independent thinkers in the GOP willing to stand for what is good for the country as opposed to what is good for their party.
selise @ 66
Thanks so much Selise. Didn’t you find it fascinating? I don’t know if they intended the obit to be so germaine today, but it was striking to me.
For those of you who didn’t link through to the Telegraph article it quotes Fred Kagan profusely and features this example of what I just called “petulance”:
“Mr Kagan, who has just returned from Iraq, said: “The likeliest effect of British withdrawal from Basra is to keep an American unit in country for longer than they would like. I do worry about the short term effects on the relationship between the two countries. It will create bad feeling with American soldiers if they can’t go home because the British have left.” His words are a new embarrassment for Gordon Brown at a time when the prime minister is determined to press ahead with troop reductions in Iraq.”
Somehow I think Brown can live with the “embarrassment” of being yapped at by Kagan. Ludicrous.
http://etext.virginia.edu/jeff…..wnload.htm
Jefferson’s perspectives on political parties, corporations, banking and the deleterious effects to liberty and the nation should the alignment become to comfortable is prophetic. His worst fears are becoming realized however I believe as he; “Our liberty cannot be guarded but by the freedom of the press, nor that be limited without danger of losing it.” –Thomas
Jefferson to John Jay, 1786
The MSM is failing America and the “Writer’s” intense analysis of issues reinforced by links and evidence to support positions on web sites is filling that vital voice snuffed in the systmatic “retardation” via media of America for profit and power. I say every morning…..thank god for C-span and sites like FDL, “political free speach” and the heartbeat of America!!!! Jefferson style.
When reading his quotes and take on religion, politics human nature and the importance of the rule of law, the complete disrequard for
=Habeas Corpus=
“The Habeas Corpus secures every man here, alien or citizen,
against everything which is not law, whatever shape it may
assume.” –Thomas Jefferson to A. H. Rowan, 1798.
has poisioned America just like that alcoholic creep Joe M from Wisconsin
Peterr @ 49
They have turned a corner….armed with an RPG launcher
Grab your coffee; a new thread is ready.
Scarecrow upstairs
Richmond @ 78
yes, i’m glad you sent me looking for it – thank you… and now i’m wondering if i should put any of his writing on my “to read” list.
fdl reader @ 40
The Lt. Col. was a gal named Levonda Joey Selph, and had direct access to Petraeus. She apparently helped arrange or was responsible for supervising the company contracted to handle the logistics of supplying the weapons. Apparently she was going to speak with the media…but then backed away.
Hard to know whether she’s another whistleblower…or was a participant in this.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/…..7305.story
Richmond @ 61
New York Times
Richmond: “germane”
RPS @ 56 – I’m not sure if there is any way to get access to old c-span coverage of House subcommittee hearings, but if there is, you should take the time to watch a hearing on whistleblowers that was held before the 2006 elections by the subcommittee then headed by Chris Shays (Kucinich was the ranking member).
Provance was one of the witnesses. He gave detailed accounts of the abuses by Military Intelligence (MI – not the MPolice charged, but the Intel guys who may well have had approvals and authorizations all the way up the chain of command for their abusive behaviout – often involving absolutely innocent civilians). He was willing to name names, recite specifics, and he gave a lot of info on how the GITMO measure migrated.
Shays made this wonderful pretense of being interested and willing to get to the bottom of things. You could tell watching that Kucinich was a little surprised, but very pleased. Of course, nothing ever happened or came of it (no surprise really).
What would have been a surprise to anyone who watched those hearings and Shays participation would have been the Congressman’s statements, a few months later while campaigning, that Abu Ghraib didn’t involve torture, just a sex ring and some rambunctious folk.
The bloodied dog bites, naked stress positions, blows, dead bodies on ice, etc. – that he dismissed all of those public knowledge issues was bad enough. That he did that with direct testimony before him of the actual delibertate abuse and torture by MI as a part of their interrogation authorizations – dang he’s scum.
selise @ 75
Mary @ 88 –
do you recall the approximate hearing date? i have audio recordings of some hearings (even some, i think, i’ve never listened to)…
1. I seem to remember the nickname “Betrayus” comes from te troops in Iraq…… He was in charge of te training mission at the time, so he is responsible.
2. OT is a lot more serious. Are we all hammering at our Congress members to stand up to A*P*C and not to listen to its PNAC lies about Iran.
Bush is very close to irretrievably destroying the US and attacking Iran on behalf of Israel, as he attacked Iraq on Israel’s behalf would finish us off.
There is neither economic, strategic, let alone tactical reason for the United States to attack Iran, and anyway, despite the US’s might it is way too stretched to attack. One can but ope that there are a few heads in the DoD who know how to look at maps and measure distances. They should especially consider the geographic size of Iran and its population, about 3 times that of Iraq at c. 70 million, then they might care to look at te length of the border between Iraq and Iran, followed by a wee bit of thought about the nearness and vulnerability of the oil fields on the western side of the Gulf, with the attendant added kick to our economy when Iran bombs them!
selise – I am really bad at dates, so no. I bet, though, that Kucinich’s office might actually answer an inquiry as to the date (and possible archive availability) of a whistleblowers subcommittee hearing in 2006 where Shays was Chair and Kucinich ranking member.
Mary @ 92
could it have been this one (scroll down):
Apropos; Sadr’s militia have taken over the central Basra police station. I doubt they’ll want to mix it up with american units to hold onto THEIR gains, but keeping that Kuwait-to-Baghdad supply line open is going to be a thankless task, especially for U.S. troops with a “shoot-first-ask-questions-later”
rules of engagement.
I’ve been thinking that bush could string this out until next spring, or even summer, until the thick of the campaign, but I don’t believe the GOP can stand that. I think the Goldwater Swat Team is gearing up, as we post.
Yossarian lives!