In spite of his heated denials today, Senator Craig has left quite a trail of slime over the years. Editor and Publisher has the scoop on the rumors, the repeated accusations, and the Idaho senator’s persistent efforts to bury the truth.
In its story today about Craig’s arrest, the Statesman revealed that it had uncovered evidence of other Craig liaisons or sexual advances, including allegations that he had sex with a man in a Union Station bathroom in Washington, D.C., but had not previously reported it. “Until Monday, the Statesman had declined to run a story about Craig’s sex life, because the paper didn’t have enough corroborating evidence and because of the senator’s steadfast denial.”
But the paper also revealed, “Over five months, the Statesman examined rumors about Craig dating to his college days and his 1982 pre-emptive denial that he had sex with underage congressional pages. The most serious finding by the Statesman was the report by a professional man with close ties to Republican officials. The 40-year-old man reported having oral sex with Craig at Washington’s Union Station, probably in 2004. The Statesman also spoke with a man who said Craig made a sexual advance toward him at the University of Idaho in 1967 and a man who said Craig “cruised” him for sex in 1994 at the REI store in Boise. The Statesman also explored dozens of allegations that proved untrue, unclear, or unverifiable.”
In other words, the evidence was out there all along. When activist Mike Rogers posted a report last October examining Senator Craig’s lengthy list of sexual indiscretions with men, it looked like a duck, walked like a duck, and quacked like a duck, so of course, Big Media and the Right Wing Noise Machine pronounced it…a swimming chicken. “Senator Craig isn’t gay, he just sucks a lot of cock. That doesn’t really make a guy gay, does it?”
Nonetheless, it is hard to overstate the intense fury that this pre-election report triggered from the Right — not at Senator Craig for engaging in this behavior, but at Rogers for reporting it. A virtually unanimous chorus on the Right furiously insisted that nothing could be more irrelevant than whether the married family values Senator had sex with men in bathrooms (acts that are simultaneously criminal and adulterous). The same political movement that impeached Bill Clinton and which has made a living exploiting issues of private morality for political gain insisted that Rogers had reached a new and despicable low in politics even by reporting this.
Of course, now that the writing is on the (bathroom) wall, the same cabal of mealy-mouthed Righty scolds are baying for Craig’s resignation, and they’re only stopping there because they can’t get away with openly calling for his execution. Although I feel fairly confident that Ace of Spades, some Red State mouth-breather, or another barely functional “Compassionate Conservative” will get around to it in the next few days. One thing you can always count on from America’s Junior Fascist brigades, they always Go There.
But back to their reactions from October when we first tried to warn them:
And at least at the time, Barnett was right. Among right-wing pundits — weeks before the election — there was nothing but support for Craig and outrage over the reporting of this story. The most hysterical outrage of all was from Glenn Reynolds, who went so far as repeatedly to predict — literally — that the country would be so repulsed by Rogers’ reporting that it might actually swing the election in favor of the Republicans.
(…)
As usual, Bush-supporting bloggers like Ann Althouse and Patterico dutifully echoed Reynolds’ line: “I truly believe this sort of tactic is going to create a backlash.” Identically, Michelle Malkin’s Hot Air actually convinced itself, as Reynolds did, that the Craig report was so despicable that it might save the GOP from defeat:
Three kids, nine grandkids. Supposedly spending his leisure time in the men’s room at Union Station. . . . It’s been said before but it bears repeating: the left always finds a way to shoot itself in the foot. Patterico expects a backlash. So do I. In fact, I haven’t felt this motivated to vote in weeks. . . . .
If a U.S. Senator was going to have a tryst — especially a gay tryst — would he really do it in the men’s room of one of the busiest places in D.C.?
Um, yeah. Have you not yet noticed that the man isn’t very smart? This is more than clearly evinced by his decision to stand and fight in the face of overwhelming evidence that he’s a nasty old pervert who gets his jollies planting his knees in pools of stale urine on public restroom floors and fellating total strangers. La Malkin, of course, is slow to pick up on this salient fact about the Senior Senator from Idaho because she’s not exactly on the short list for a Nobel Prize, either, poor little addle-headed thing.
I guess it would be too much to ask back in 1982 that Craig be kicked to the curb when he was accused of molesting underage Congressional pages. Perhaps timely intervention a quarter-century ago could have prevented the mess that was the Mark Foley scandal, not to mention providing some scrap of evidence (however small) that boy-rape is not part and parcel with the Republican attitude toward underage pages.
But, whatever. Doubtless the waves of young boys who were improperly solicited and seduced by members of Congress in the intervening two and a half decades were little “beasts” as Matt Drudge says, who were egging the older men on and deserved whatever they got.
If the Republicans get any more sick, venal, and corrupt, their constituents may as well just start electing hyenas and poisonous snakes to Congress. Who could tell the difference?
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Good evening, Firepups!
2
yessss!!!!
sliding into second? hello all!
Dos Pasos
back dive, half twist, straight position
g’evening everyone
Another Craig post?
Alright, good night, all. I got better things to do than discuss bathroom sex cruising behavior stuff. Y’all go on, take your notes for your upcoming field trips. See ya tomorrow.
Fitz- Palate cleanser.
Hi, TRex!
Damn, TRex, kinda late…
What kind of gay fuckery is this?!?!
I’m not usually in the top ten.
Suzanne @ 6
Bonne Soir, Ma Cheri!
cleter @ 12
I stopped to read first.
Why can’t we all just get along and enjoy the snark?
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 1
You’re turn tonite!!!
Good evening all! After the day from hell, it is good to be here at last.
Well, this will give my class lots to think about. What, exactly, does a senator have to do to be gay?
Evening TRex.
An early snack for the firepups since I plan to give up the computer to the snarky one shortly.
Some fantastic looking coffee that Christy sent up and some croissants.
I shall return in a bit.
LoudounLib @ 15
I’ve been on here all day. This is the fifth post on Craig. I can’t take it anymore. Bon soir!
peanutbutter @ 20
Good night PB.
As regards Craig’s intelligence, gotta remember that he’s elected by Idahoans, and those people were used to Chenoweth.
`Nuff said. He’s a bloody fookin’ genius by comparison.
It amuses me that Craig is accusing the Statesman of witch-hunting his skanky “not”-gay ass. Looks to me like the Statesman has done everything in its power to ignore his little peccadilloes.
I’m gonna go sit over in the corner and drink my coffee. Remember, use of certain body part words and or prescription brand names will land your comment inthe filters.
hi madmommy, sorry you had a crappy day :-(
In plain sight: The US is preparing to attack Iran. No amount of gay activity will stop it, but it will distract from the lead up. Pay attention.
cleter @ 18
In the eyes of the Right? Oppose don’t-ask-don’t-tell or support gay marriage, I guess.
Any judges see if Suzanne splashed?
Screw Larry Craig, figuratively speaking.
Today, women and children in Iraq and Darfur were slaughtered.
Larry Craig is easy.
Real problems are tough.
Just now listening to a song from the Beatles White Album: “Why Don’t We Do It In The Road?”
I take it that Senator Craig never heard this tune?
“…No one will be watching us. Why don’t we do it in the road…”
cleter @ 18
A Republican Senator is, by definition, not gay. No matter how many men he picks up in airport restrooms.
peanutbutter @ 20
Understandable. See ya tomorrow!
I’d be a fool to pass up this window of opportunity to verbally flog another sick, self-hating gay republican. The news cycle will provide us with another outrage in, oh, minutes probably.
You have to make gay while the sun shines.
And doesn’t all this furtiveness lead to well, More Furtiveness. Because if he coulda stopped, he woulda, doncha think?
This sad story will just get worse.
LS @ 26
Unfortunately, nothing is going to stop it. I have no idea what could reign in the hawks. The unitary executive is a scary thing.
TRex @ 33
I knew I could count on you to run with this ball.
montag @ 22
What’s a Chenoweth?
This topic is NOT GAY enough for this blog, IMO.
;>)
LoudounLib @ 25
Thanks LL-just the same shit different day sorts of things.
I did come across an intersting tidbit that seems to have flown under the radar with all the other interesting news today. It seems that the not-quite-gone AG from hell, Alberto himself, will be here in NOLA tomorrow. He will be the speaker at the opening of the Family Justice Center. The irony! The utter tone-deafness! I am without words to express my contempt. It’s not enough that the shrub has sullied Dookie Chases’ by dining there this evening, but this too!?!?
Twain @ 37
Does Chenoweth have an airport?
TJ @ 35
Um, impeachment?
That would fuckin’ do it.
Amongst the Sambia people of New Guinea, there was an initiation ritual that involved younger men performing oral sex on older men. They believed that a man wasn’t a man until he drank some semen. So, perhaps Senator Widestance was raised in New Guinea, and believes that his pagan gods will be angered if he does not consume the sacred semen of airport passers-by. Far be it from me, as an anthropologist, to criticize his spiritual beliefs, which are sacred to his group of hill folk.
PB – there will be hearings and trials and wars and all kinds of ‘distractions’ soon enough.
But it’s interesting to note that from this discussion you dislike so much, came this real public policy nugget (among a few others):
Evening all. So sad and pathetic really. So much denial and deception and inability to accept who he is.
I love the smell of hypocrisy in the Late Night…good evening all.
DrDick @ 44
Yup. And he’s good snark, too.
Yo, TRex:
I may not be as talented in re: graphics as darkblack, but still, it just kind of made itself.
Thanks!
Twain @ 37
This is a Chenoweth.
LS @ 26
In all seriousness, Bush and what army?
The one we’ve got is stretched as far as it can go, and if Bush simply orders an air and missle strike, do you think Iran will just sit there and take it? My guess would be that they would counter-attack in various ways the US forces in Iraq.
And unless Bush has the rest of the Middle East lined up to support him, they will go completely batsh*t crazy over an attack on Iran, widening the military fighting in their neighborhood.
The ONLY folks in the area who might conceivably like the idea would be Iraqis who might hope that it means the American occupation forces would leave them alone and go mess up someone else’s country for a while.
There must be some saner heads at the DOD who might take the opportunity to mention this to Bush.
peanutbutter @ 20
For Craig, five servings may just be an appetizer.
He’s kinda got that Hungry man look…
It is to Laugh!
once again one thinks of William S. Burroughs…the current regime is making his satire a reality…
http://ubu.artmob.ca/sound/dia…..roughs.mp3
Good luck finding a goddamn congress with the stones to do it.
Methinks I prefer le girl gay…from everything I’ve been reading today, it sounds less potentially skanky. No offense meant to you gents, of course.
My daughter’s boyfriend’s mother made a joke to her son (the boyfriend) about us preferring fish to red meat. The poor boy didn’t get it, and couldn’t understand why first my daughter, and then we cracked up in laughter. He was mortified once it was explained to him.
Getting the ’swing’ vote:
Come on over, our tent is bigger
*g*
Peterr @ 49
Just an air attack. No army necessary. The Air Force is champing at the bit for some shock and awe action….
How easy it is to distract.
Iraq
No, Alberto Gonzales.
Larry Craig (Alberto who?).
I wonder how many non-gay GOP senators are having non-gay man-on-man sex right this minute. What is happening, right now, in the perfumed bed-chamber of Senator Lindsay Graham? Is he alone under his lace duvet? I wonder.
Mod cleanup in aisle 390, one thread back, maybe?
sporkovat @ 51
Cheney as Dr. Benway… yeah, that’s the ticket….
Peterr @ 49
Couldn’t they all refuse – he’s almost to the point of counting the strawberries !
montag @ 55
I think Peterr dealt with “just an air attack” pretty handily. There would be no just to it. It’s writing a check guaranteed to bounce.
EvilDrPuma @ 36
Put that thing down! You don’t know where it’s been!
SteveAudio @ 47
Festively tappen ur feetz…Ta, Steve.
;>)
I guess it would be too much to ask back in 1982 that Craig be kicked to the curb when he was accused of molesting underage Congressional pages. Perhaps timely intervention a quarter-century ago could have prevented the mess that was the Mark Foley scandal, not to mention providing some scrap of evidence that boy-rape is not part and parcel with the Republican attitude toward underage pages.
————–
This was exactly the time period that The Franklin Cover-Up exposed. From a review of the book at amazon:
This book, authored by a former Republican Nebraska State Senator, exposes the elite web of crime, satanic cults, and child sexual abuse that reaches through the highest levels of power in our society. The organized cover-up and suppression of the events and victims’ accounts is well documented, as is the author’s role as attorney in the investigations and court cases. It’s interesting that former CIA director Bill Colby ambiguously acknowledged to the author that the scenario described is real, and not long thereafter Colby turned up dead under suspicious circumstances.
———————————
I read this book when it first came out. Kids who were living in foster care were brought to GOP functions, in one case a victory party at the Dallas ranch used in Dallas the TV show and passed around as toys.
This is a dirty DC secret that is not so secret, just acknowledged and not broadcast to the detriment of pages and others who get caught up in the vortex.
I think that’s enough from me tonight. Maybe PB is right.
The GOP will use this to show how moral they are when, in actuality, as was pointed out before, it’s all about politics.
Vitter must be protected because his governor is a Dem and Craig can be thrown to the wolves because he will be replaced by another ideologue.
Night all.
Suzanne, enjoy the coffee.
Loved the dive.
montag @ 55
Yeah, seeing as how well “shock & awe” has worked thus far.
montag @ 55
So sad…they are missing out on IED’s and DU and watching their buddies extremeties get blown across the desert. Poor babies.
EvilDrPuma @ 61
The army and marines know that it’s a hopeless cause to invade. That’s not gonna stop an air attack.
Keep in mind that we bombed Iraq for twelve fuckin’ years before Bush invaded.
Festive as in Mardi Gras?
Festive as in Festering?
Trex, thanks for heaping the ridicule on this evil man.
I hope he spends eternity kneeling…
on a new clearcut under the Rockies summer sun.
He ended the lives of uncounted creatures, destroyed cherished groves and places….
Years of ridicule and shame are not enough to reward him.
This night, please keep pouring it on the withered self-hating forest killer. Larry Craig.
Evening, everybody.
You know you’re in trouble when the CNN headline out of your presser is “Craig: I did nothing ‘inappropriate’ in airport bathroom”
Just a little soft-shoe.
Jonathan @ 56
Jonathan, if you honestly think that the people who work so hard to write for this blog are somehow falling down on their duty to entertain you with the news stories of your choice, then I strongly suggest you start your own blog or quit yer bitchin.
Nobody here is ignorant of the situations in Iraq and Afghanistan and I think FDL’s record on the issues of the day speaks for itself. If we want to have some fun at the expense of a closeted Republican troglodyte who wants to beat on gay people for being open and healthy about what he craves but can only do in the most disgusting and anonymous conditions, that’s our fucking business.
This is what I’m serving tonight. You don’t like it, you don’t have to have any.
The door is right over there.
Capice?
iHeartFoulMouthedFemBloggers @ 65
Umm, I didn’t say it would work. I said they were hot to do it….
BTW, TRex, I LOVE THAT PICTURE AND THE CAPTIONS!!!
…and now, off to a late dinner.
As the guest doctor on Larry King pointed out, the Centers for Disease Control started the distinction between “gay” and “men who have sex with men,” or “MSM,” in order to validate and replicate HIV prevention strategies for men who, like Senator Larry Craig (R-ID) suck lotsa cock and take it up the ass but are NOT GAY.
You can’t reach these NOT GAY guys with messages showing hot men entwined with one another using a condom. You can’t reach them in gay bars. You can’t reach them like you reach normal, healthy gay men who ARE GAY. They need special interventions, and those interventions are for MSM, not GAYs.
That this definition would ever drift over from disease prevention to Senatorial political suicide probably never crossed the minds of the CDC scientists.
Senator Widestance looks like Dick Cheney’s stunt double.
I am a Mock Star.
I don’t know how to do the YouTube thing, but I can google lyrics with the best of them . . .
I give you the late, great Steve Goodman:
Click through for more verses.
TRex @ 71
I think that was meant as a statement about how easy it was to wipe off the news about Iraq and other things from the media, not a shot across your bow, dude.
Relax, we’ve all had our moments.
madmommy @ 17
What happened to make it the day from hell, madmommy?
peterr @ 49
LS is right.
please check out http://rawstory.com//news/2007….._0828.html
referencing
http://www.rawstory.com/images…..82807a.pdf
montag is also right… courageous impeachment might stop it.
Leading Democrats, however are with Cheney on this one.
but on a lighter note – this thread needs a shout-out to Idaho Governor (not making it up) Butch Otter!
james, I’d left you a greeting at #145 in the last thread.
EvilDrPuma @ 61
I think that check would do far worse than bounce. Any attack on Iran would unleash a firestorm in the Middle East which would quickly expand into Europe and the US. As Peterr points out we simply do not have the military resources to deal with it, even if chimpy would approve a draft to provide the manpower.
montag @ 72
I know. Just observing that these fucks never learn.
LoudounLib @ 82
Thx….I have ADHD and am easily distracted and lotsa times I’m just trying to keep up here.
It gets more and more difficult, I must say.
montag @ 55
Sigh. I know any of the (remaining) generals would be fired if they told Bush anything he doesn’t want to hear, but I would think that there would be some who would realize that their careers will probably be over anyway if they know that Iran can cut our supply lines in response and trap 160,000 troops in Iraq and they don’t speak up, right?
montag @ 55
“Shock and awe” is Bushspeak for terrorism. By the way, how did it turn out last time?
Loo Hoo. @ 80
Oldest kid had to be peeled out of the bed and shoved onto the bus. Younger kid threw fit at school, teacher took him kicking and screaming down the hall to class. Doing laundry at home, dryer dies. Dog ate something funky, barfs on rug. Cut my leg shaving. Like I said, just the usual stuff LOL
DrDick @ 83
Chimpy McFlightSuit clearly doesn’t have the constitutional authority to reinstate the draft, much as he might like a John Yoo opinion to the contrary.
I iz not ghey, I iz just misunderstood…
james @ 85
I can relate!
DrDick @ 83
I was kind of shooting for understatement there. Yes, you’re right, the check wouldn’t just bounce; it would draw down the wrath of the bank like nobody’s business.
Doesn’t the Craig speech kind of *beg* newspapers to run with the headline:
Craig Sez: “I Am Not GAY!”
You just know that’s going down in the annals of history side-by-side with Nixon’s “I am not a crook!”
Well, Bush knows full well that no one is willing to do what it takes to stop him – so why should he worry about doing whatever he feels like? It’s worked so far.
newtonusr @ 43
That public policy nugget (h/t G.Kerby) needs to be shouted far and wide. Why Craig and not Vitter, Minority Leader McConnell and GOP Senate Leadership team?
Isn’t it because Senator Vitter’s replacement would be appointed by a Democratic governor, while Senator Larry Craig (R-ID) would be replaced by a compliant GOP governor?
TeddySanFran @ 95
Well, yeah. Duh. Liberal media my ass.
TeddySanFran @ 95
That may well have entered the equation; but we shouldn’t deny the power of good old-fashioned homophobia.
newtonusr @ 43
Most interesting!
Also, Peanut Butter, remember that some of us were at work today and didn’t get the lowdown on Craig till later on.
TRex at #71–
I took Jonathan’s comments about how easy it is to distract as describing how easily the administration is moving the focus from its failures in Iraq to Alberto, then quickly moving on to Larry Craig, on which topic the masses will be so focused that they don’t notice the buildup to action on Iran.
Didn’t interpret it as directed at your post.
Lindy @ 58
thanks, refresh and it is gone.
Hey, if Senator Craig says he doesn’t fellate men in public restrooms AND isn’t gay, who am I to doubt him? A man of his stature in the world probably can’t find decent legal counsel and I can totally believe that his guilty plea was a Homer Simpson “DOH!!!” moment. He’s been good enough for Idahoans for quite some time now, so I say leave him alone and let him run for office again. Stop picking on him, GOP!!! Let him run.
Larry Craig needs to sac up a little (perhaps like Gerry Studds) and stop this pathetic charade.
TRex @ 77
The Ayatollah of Mock and Maul-a
;>)
TRex @ 71
Trex,
I wasn’t talking about you.
I respect your efforts.
My comments were directed toward how the American people are manipulated by what is fed to them by MSM and the government.
Two days ago, everyone on FDL was focused on Iraq, from what I could see.
Yesterday (Monday), the focus shifted to Alberto Gonzales. Why? Because of his resignation.
Today (and beginning yesterday), the focus was shifted to Craig.
Again, Trex. My comments weren’t directed at you.
I love this site for its honesty.
I just feel Americans are being manipulated by the government.
Alicia, you have FB mail.
TeddySanFran @ 75
Well, we know that definition of MSM will never make it over to the wingnut blogs, because they’ve already got an “MSM” and they’d be terrible confused.
(Thanks for the specific reference, Teddy; I referred to the concept earlier today, but I didn’t remember that it was CDC specifically.)
TeddySanFran @ 95
Ding! Ding! Ding! Vee haff our vinner!
(OT to darkblack)
DB, thanks for your kind words over at my place. :)
Maybe Larry could learn from Freddy…!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNs362TcR2Y
DrDick @ 83
And, since when were the Bushies so all goddamned good at planning…?
These people are the instant gratification subset of the conventional wisdom foreign policy set.
They’ve been whining about Iran since the 2002 SOTU, and the plan, then, was (in their childish gimme-gimme-gimme brains) to knock off Iraq and move right on to Iran.
Didn’t work that way because they couldn’t plan a trip to the kitchen.
That doesn’t mean they don’t still have a hard-on for Iran.
They won’t invade the country (remember that Bush just wants to hand this over to the next Prez to “fulfill the United States’ destiny”), but they will bomb the shit out of it.
Look, Poppy Bush did it and got away with it (Hussein’s forces were in Kuwait, so why were we bombing Baghdad electrical and water treatment and sewage facilities, huh?), and Clinton kept it up for another eight years. Why? Because they got away with it.
If Bush now starts bombing Iran, it will open the door for future president(s) to go right on doing it until the conditions are right to invade.
Just because we don’t have the troops to invade at this moment doesn’t mean it won’t happen later.
Look at 1991-2003 as a continuum, and you’ll see what I’m getting at.
Cheers.
TeddySanFran @ 95
…by the name of, Butch Otter!
Senator PotatoHead…
we hardly knew ye.
OK, how am I going to tell the difference between MSM (media) and MSM (men), Teddy? I kinda like it, though. They both suck and they both are in denial.
Redshift @ 86
Air Force has always been different, in that regard. The view from the air is always different than from the ground….
sporkovat @ 110
All hail Butch Otter!
JGabriel @ 93
This will be compared more to Gary Hart’s challenge to the press to find him philandering.
OT OT OT. For God’s sake, FDLers, forget Craig because he is gone, it is much more important that Bush is VERY close to attacking Iran, either in a progression of his mental age of 17: “Well I have totally screwed up in Iraq, so I shall attack Iran and they will not remember the other screw up!” Or perhaps again because of his mental age of 17 he is utterly unequipped to understand that The Lobby’s head agent Cheney has him completely under his control.
Israel would seem to have abrogated all common sense to the Netanyahu faction, which thinks chaos in the Near and Middle East will benefit Israel. It will not, first because as in Iraq an anarchic civil war in Iraq is potentially more dangerous for Israel even than Saddam’s Iraq, and second because the American people are finally likely to wake up when Iran retaliates and wrecks the oilfields of the Arabian Peninsula and our economy drains faster than a bath.
Wake up FDLers and hammer our Congress members.
OH, my, it’s hot in LA tonight.
Still over 90 on my front porch.
So….
It does get heated here.
And, we all have our Stuff.
But, I love you all.
And, I Started A Job Today!
My best guess is that it’s going to work.
Which means $$$ for this site and for the candidates I want to support.
So, this is all good.
Thanks to Loo Hoo for her positive vibes last night. It worked babe.
TRex.
I re read your posts from last night this am, ’cause your writing was Fabulous. You are an inspiration to all of us.
Alicia, FB is not letting me reply to your note for some reason, so here’s a {{{ hug }}} for you and yours.
CTuttle @ 108
And, as usual, no synths!
Gay Senator To Be Replaced By Butch Otter
LoudounLib @ 104
Thanks so much! No good news, I’m afraid.
EvilDrPuma @ 114
He needs a good song…
The Lay of Butch Otter seems a bit much…
Otter’s
TailTale?I give up – slippery topic.
Jonathan, I misunderstood. Sorry about that.
I just get very sensitive when I’ve worked very hard on something and people seem hell bent on backseat driving and complaining about my choice of topic. That and I’m hungry and overcaffeinated right now, which makes me testy.
Gnome de Plume @ 112
Oh, that’s excellent!
demi @ 117
Excellent news! Congrats to you!!!
Suzanne @ 100
Thank you, Suzanne.
way to go, demi!
congrats, demi!
I’d suggest that FDL should start a pool on how long Larry survives as a
sittin’Senator, but I’m guessing we’d be tar’d and feather’d by the wingnuts for being a gamblin’ den of gay and fembloggin’ iniquity.Jeez…can’t have fun anywhere no more. Excuse me while I take a trip to the restroom.
TRex @ 123
Trex,
You’re great. I mean it.
I love your posts.
Please keep ‘em coming.
Alicia @ 124
MSM (media)
msm (male seeking male)
CTuttle @ 108
Yes, but he is an Idaho Republican, they are incapable of learning.
LoudounLib @ 118
Thanks so much. I appreciate your good thoughts. I may look for a rescue to keep Mercury company – he misses her.
TRex @ 123
Eat some sugar, that’ll calm you right down.
EvilDrPuma @ 23
How does that go? Never pick a fight with someone that buys their ink by the barrel? ; )
Demi, good for you. I start looking for work tomorrow.
Assholes like Craig, idiots like Sali, or assholicTM idiots like Chenoweth, it’s been my experience living here the past several years that the electorate looks no further than the “R” following their names. I want to start a movement to remove party affiliations from the ballots – at least make them have to do some work.[note: I’m not implying Crapo or Simpson are any better there’s just only so much one can handle at a time]The irony is that the only politicians that seemed to have been universally well-loved were Church and Andrus – both Democrats.
You’re correct, EvilDrPuma. You will note that the columnist didn’t publish his article until today. Perhaps the publisher wouldn’t allow it but that doesn’t explain the non-article he did publish fawning all over Craig wondering if he would or wouldn’t run for re-election. The news of the senator’s demise, however, is grossly premature. If he’s on the ballot, he’s re-elected. Lying and homosexuality, only one of them is acceptable in Idaho and unless there’s video …
DrDick @ 132
“Idaho…Like Hell, But With Leather Upholstery.”
woohoo, demi! excellent news (happy dance)
Mad Dogs @ 129
No shot. Once Craig and Vitter try raising money, it’s over for them.
Jonathan @ 103
Absolutely, the Bush Administration manipulates people (and manipulates journalists even better), but firing Bush’s primary firewall in numerous scandals to temporarily distract from Iraq would be the political equivalent of burning down your business for the insurance money.
They may be evil, and they may claim to be geniuses, but it’s still a mistake to interpret their every action as if they’re evil geniuses.
Demi!!! A Job! Hurray!
Could you teach me how to do that?
Redshift @ 86
Good point, and while I’m not a military type, I would guess that high ranking officers looking for promotions in the near future would be speaking truth right about now.
Suzanne @ 107
You’re quite welcome…Kinsley just happened to stumble upon a higher truth within a flight of fancy, S.
;>)
Okay — Butch Otter is just too funny in the current context, and I’ll tell you why if you don’t already know. First of all, “butch” is a descriptor in the LGBT community meaning, well, not-femme, and can be applied to a person of any gender.
Further, though, “otter” is one of the Gay Male subtypes, like bear or twink or cowboy or leatherman.
So the idea that the replacement for Senator Larry Craig (R-ID) will be chosen by Governor Butch Otter is just too much.
kirk murphy @ 122
I think he could use the song from “Black Adder.” Just change the words to Butch Otter.
sporkovat @ 81
I read it, and the question I’d have for the authors of the study is “OK, what do you do on the day AFTER you bomb the hell out of Iran?”
That’s the question that never got answered in Iraq, and it’ll be an even bigger question if Bush wants to take on Iran.
As you can see, I’m more in tune with what Larry Johnson said in that same rawstory piece:
The final words of that whole story are the most damning, and they come from the authors of the study you’re pushing:
So other than soothing Bush’s ego, what would an air war against Iran gain?
I’m with Larry.
Bowing to my friends.
Tipping my hat and saying thanks to y’all for your support.
(oh, and did I say I’m Not Gay?) Ha!
But, I really try not to be hypocritcal.
I think people at the Lake know what’s Really Important.
TeddySanFran @ 145
I didn’t know the gay meaning of “otter.” Just “Butch” was funny as hell for me, given the context.
marymccurnin @ 142
You can have mine. Can you be in Annandale, VA at 6:30 AM tomorrow? ;-)
msm – My African-American friends call it the DL (down low) – there’s a lot of homophobia in the black community.
newtonusr @ 140
Vitter is polling at 66% approval right now. Unless he gets caught lap dancing in the Quarter or something else comes out, he’s a lock. Gag!
do i even dare ask what an otter subclass involves…
madmommy @ 96
hard right wing media?
conservativly corrupt?
conservative corruption central?
that’s enough!it’s not even my country!
i’ll shut up now
(i just coudn’t resist!)
Suzanne @ 153
You really otter ask.
darkblack @ 38
Tappen mah feetz, say hallelujah!
Maunga@116,
“…the American people are finally likely to wake up when Iran retaliates and wrecks the oilfields of the Arabian Peninsula and our economy drains faster than a bath.”
We’re wide awake, I’m in touch with my critters…!!! 8-
TeddySanFran @ 145
So, an otter is a diminuitive bear? Is that right? Teensy hairy gay man, like a gay Gimli?
Man, what an informative blog this is!
marymccurnin @ 142
Yeah, hon.
It’s the more than two-step.
Sounds like you’re doing Just Fine!
Got to go . . . g’nite, all.
Maybe it’s true… maybe he’s NOT gay. After all, this is the world of “plausible deniability”, isn’t it? So, the answer is that he’s not “gay”, he’s “bi-sexual”. There, that was easy… he can get in front of the cameras and deny everything by claiming he’s not gay…
montag @ 109
OK, I know I said I was leaving but this gets me.
They are banging the drum again. There’s gonna be some sort of incident at the border, Americans and Iranians are gonna die, where it happened will be disputed. The Air Force and Navy and Marine aviators will fly out and drop their bombs. Little Iranian kids will die, as always, innocent people will be traumatized if not outright obliterated and will be called collateral damage.
And the propaganda machine here will start showing footage of the Iranians holding Americans hostage back in 1979 and 1980. They won’t report that Bush’s dad and Mumbles Casey cut a deal with the Iranians to keep the hostages prisoners until Reagan was sworn in in exchange for missiles that would be delivered by Israel which was itself a treasonous and illegal act under the Neutrality Act.
See, the Bush family does whatever the fuck it wants to do. It supports the Nazis, it helps Nazi war criminals to come to the US, it conspires with others to overthrow the legitimately elected governemt of the US, it does help to overthrow the Mossadegh government in Iran, and Arbenz in Guatemala, and tries to get rid of Fidel, then helps to kill JFK, and Martin, and Bobby.
The patriarch then helps Nixon to run his little illegal operation and then skips town to China before he is implicated only to return to the UN and the to the CIA just in time to take control of the info that’s gonna be released to the Church Committee a time during which several witnesses are killed, the House Majority Leader and another congressman are killed in a plane crash, a US citizen and a Chilean national are murdered in broad daylight in DC, and on and on and on and on until we’re at a point where the idiot son is destrroying our country and no one has the balls to hold him accountable…..
Yet, people want to believe that the war criminal and traitor who was our 41st president actually cares enough about what is happening to this country that he told Junior up in Maine to get rid of KKKKarl and Gonzo???
For the good of the country????
When the fuck has a member of the Bush family ever cared about the good of this country???
Suzanne @ 153
Thanks for asking ..you are braver than I.
EvilDrPuma @ 155
It’ll make a splash!
heyyyyyy you guys left me downstairs all alone sniff sniff
demi !!!
kirk murphy @ 164
I wish Punaise was here. . .
madmommy @ 152
I hate those numbers, but they won’t hold. There’s another beauty around the corner, and the Goopers have to primary him now.
g’nite, peterr. sleep well.
Suzanne @ 153
Whatever it is, it’s NOT GAY.
…Merely flamboyant
;>)
wigwam @ 106
Give Newtonusr his credit. He found it and our Teddy highlighted it.
demi @ 148
Ain’t the Lake grand? No place like it…!!! *G*
maunga @ 116
Yes, we must forget Craig this very minute and lobby Congress at midnight. And since Congress isn’t in session, do you think maybe we could wait until morning instead of doing it OT OT OT Right Now!?
james @ 162
A-fuckin’-men.
As I’ve said, the Bush family motto should be, “public service for private gain.”
Night Peterr.
(((Teddy>!)))
newtonusr @ 168
I would certainly like to see his smarmy little face gone, but there’s a lot of time till he is up for re-election and people’s memories are tragically short.
as discussed in the prior thread – HE’S NOT GAY….. after all he’s a “happily married man and father”…..righttttttttt?
cleter @ 120
In my opinion, Butch oughter appoint a Senator who is NOT GAY.
Loo Hoo. @ 171
Would love to take credit for the thought, but this pup thunk it first…
juslin @ 178
Yeah, except that those kids are his wife’s children from a previous marriage….
I want to see Jon Stewart announcing the news
with a long pause and an over the shoulder graphic of that otter…
yow!
p.s. – cheers Peterr… read the Rawstory bit all the way through… well we can hope there are remnants of commonsense who would see the situation that way…
TSF
Yeah, great, like, now I’m like everyone else –bending over for the man!
Ha! But, now I can get my car washed and get my nails done AND contribute to the causes dear ta ma heart.
madmommy @ 125
Woo Hoo!!!!!
Great! I hope it works out.
Buena suerte
I’m just curious-is Senator Craig by any chance a Mormon? Anyone happen to know his religious affiliation (has to be one if he’s a Republican, that’s a given).
good night all, the public awaits me in the AM.
demi @ 183
Except for Larry Craig, who is…wait for it…
;>)
EvilDrPuma @ 181
Read today somewhere (maybe here) that wife and kids live in Chicago ??????
Alicia @ 151
There is also “same gender loving,” used by out African-American men who believe “gay” is a privileged white patriarchical term.
darkblack @ 187
…a Republican!
He is not a gay in the same sense that Nixon said that he is not a crook.
And just as true . . . .
demi @ 183
Keep that up and yould be Senator.
Worked for Specter.
And DiFi, come to think of it…
EvilDrPuma @ 181
She was a former staffer that he quickly married after he nearly got nailed in the 1982 House page business.
Craig’s a Methodist.
TRex @ 33
I agree.
It’s the crumbling of the GOP and imvho, it deserves all the sunlight FDL and the other liberal blogs can provide. This story imvho is a metaphor, just like when Cheney shot Harry. It’s about the complete hypocrisy that has seeped into the highest levels of our government and it gets progressive values into outlets we are normally shut out of.
Here’s what
Rupert Murdochthe editorial page of the Wall Street Journal had to say about Larry.This was my response to someone on a different blog:
I completely agree, the problem is that this “someone” is not a U.S. Senator. You are missing the relevant National Security issues. Anyone in Congress, who is hiding anything, that they consider a public humiliation, is subject to blackmail by a foreign government.
Try these, do they make any sense to you?
Do you want me to go on?
“
Please by all means tell all the 3,700 families who have lost loved ones in Iraq how “minimal” the powers of Congress are. Have you ever heard of the War Powers Authorization Act?
Oh yeah, after Larry, what makes you sure?
Larry Craig wasn’t just voting against gay marriage, he wanted to keep sodomy laws on the books so the government could prosecute adults for what they did in private. I don’t want my taxes being used for that.
End of Rant
Suzanne @ 153
Urban Dictionary:
LoudounLib @ 186
Nite, LL!!!
info gopher…
Religion: Methodist
Here’s an OT question for ya’ll. My darling boy came home from school today excited about a meeting for those interested in joining the Boy Scouts. I hadn’t really thought about it till now, but not long after he mentioned it, CBS had a story about abuse among scout masters, something like one every day or so bounced out for molesting boys. I know in my rational mind that it is a huge organization and there’s bound to be bad apples, but to me the BSA has always seemed like easy pickings for a molester, with campouts and trips and such. As a mom of 2 boys I worry (duh), am I over-reacting?
Steve-AR @ 193
Well, we should be giving him more credit. Not everybody can make a sham marriage last that long.
Technicolouryawn @ 185
He is from the “wrong” part of Idaho. He’s Methodist, a mainstream Protestant sect.
Just watched a re-run of Stewart. William Kristol tells Stewart that he has spoken to Bush and that Bush does not think Stewart is a “pussy”, but then goes on to tell Stewart that Petraeus thinks he is.
Why is this sorry excuse of a (^)*(^&, Kristol, even on teevee? Why does even one American care what this prick has to say about anything??? Freaking neocon that should be locked up. Now.
Grrrrrrrrrrr.
TeddySanFran @ 196
TMI!!!
LoudounLib @ 186
Be nice to the public, as they’ll tell you, they pay your salary!
Sleep tight and try not to dream about stalls or wide stances.
goodnight LL!
Night LL. Good luck protecting the public from themselves.
craig will now report to his church group for prayer and counselling for not getting lawyered up before he “confessed” to being in a stall….oh yeah thats how you do it see…
madmommy @ 177
Oh hell no, let him fester right where his is!
More PRESS CONFERENCES! LOL
SteveAudio @ 47
Steve, well it is certainly gratifying that you know lolcat speak. I am so happy to have another person who knows about this.
Loo Hoo. @ 171
It was G.Kerby who brought it to my attention previous thread; others have pointed out that Glenzilla was all over it but didn’t put it quite so succinctly earlier today.
CTuttle @ 203
Teddy you are one sick boy.
I’m can’t stop laughing!!
TeddySanFran @ 196
I’m confused.
I thought otters liked fish.
BP Cross @ 194
Steve-AR @ 201
Ah, I am very familiar with the Methodist church. My wife is a PK whose father is a big-wig in the Nor-Cal conference and is outspokenly active for gay rights and gay marriage. Methodists like Senator Craig make my father in law feel very unwelcome come national conference time. I tell him he should have been a Unitarian!!!
kirk murphy @ 212
dayamit, i spewed my cosmic coffee all other the place.
I’ll be right back, I’m taking the 24-Divisadero bus up to Pacific Heights right now to bang on DiFi’s door and Speaker Pelosi’s door and tell them “Don’t let Bush bomb Iran!”
/s
Then can I please come back and bother Senator Larry Craig (R-ID) here at FDL?
On that note, I really am going to bed.
Night all, it’s been a pleasure.
Stay safe.
BP Cross @ 194
Nope. He Lied again.
O Gawd.
Last Sunday me and the Mister were at breakfast, on the patio when a friend from church came to us and sat down and Couldn’t Believe we were smoking cigarettes. I told him we were also Democrats. And seriously radical ones to boot. And, guess what, that totally Republican Boy Scout loves us anyway.
gon’t forget to get your muni ticket validated for your return entry, teddy.
Good evening again. Y’all leave me any croissants or coffee?
thanks, james. good night!
kirk murphy!212
otters like “fish” noooo ;o} you do know what fish connotes?
Teddy you otter be ashamed of yerself.
james @ 216
Nite, James!!!
Demi, Demi, Demi!!! Congratulations! Details on your new job, please.
LS @ 202
IMVHO, GOP is fragmenting over Iraq. It used to be that Rove and Kristol could slide their talking points into the New York Times and the Compost anonymously. Since that’s not working nearly as well as it used to, the chicken hawks have to go on teevee themselves and talk about all the “progress” in Iraq. It’s just so tough when you can’t find someone to carry the water for you. Republicans who are against the war are lining up behind Sen.
Elizabeth TaylorWarner.i confess texbet – i drank most of the coffee sorry
juslin @ 221
OK, I’ll bite. What does “fish” connote?
Well, I’m off to bed. Lots of innocent young minds to corrupt tomorrow. Should be especially fun as I get to terrorize my theory seminar for the first time this semester.
TexBetsy @ 222
*rimshot* ;-)
juslin @ 221
well – I had one definition in mind ;)
what ‘ya thinking about?
Peterr @ 147
I too, am with Larry. The authors of the report also seem to give short shrift to:
Can one say World Feckin’ War?
China gets a whole lot of their oil from Iran and would not take lightly the highly probable cutoff of said oil.
Russia has been trying to climb back upto Superpower status and might quite easily side with China by “assisting” them in facing off the US.
Deadeye and Junya always think throwing the 1st punch is the end of the fight.
Bullys never learn: It ain’t the fight in the dog, it’s the dogs in the fight.
madmommy, I’d let the boy try it, but keep and eagle eye (no pun intended) out for questionable pack leaders. How old is your son? If he is young, as in cub scouts (or scub scouts as my little sister called them) I wouldn’t worry yet.
Book and bed for me, before my dialup conks out on the post count. Be excellent to each other.
just looking around that stall is getting filled with repugs now it seems….
I’ve been sitting here thinking about all this. If my husband was soliciting sex in public areas from total strangers (male or female) in this day of killer STD’s, I would be seriously pissed. How can their wives stand that, not knowing what’s being brought into their homes and bodies? The only explanation I can come up with is that either they don’t know, or they figure the money is worth the risk…which pretty much establishes what they are.
Technicolouryawn @ 213
In the ’60’s when the Civil Rights movement was making significant progress..The Joke that the Southern Baptists made about the Methodists was:”What is Black and White and Red all over”. I think the Methodists have become more conservative, because they were loosing membership to the fundies.
Does anyone know whether Mitt Romney, who threw Larry Craig under the bus today, is NOT GAY?
Lindy @ 235
Or they got married so long ago that they don’t think about AIDS.
juslin @ 221
Redd Fox?
newtonusr @ 180
G. Kerby, please stop by more often!
Newtonusr, it was a pleasure to meet you in Chicago.
nicely ranted, Boo Radley
Hee-hee.
Larry Craig (”I am not gay”) on the BBC.
Gnome de Plume @ 232
He’s 6 1/2, so it would be the cub route. I’m just being a nervous nelly but that goes with the territory. Guess I could always get hubby to be a leader for the pack, then I’d be sure.
as i had a gay brother – he told me at the risk of being crude – it refers to women’s v*g*n* and the particular scent involved….
juslin, thank you for the *’s :)
LS @ 26
Shoot, it’s the fucken gay guys taking us to war in Iran.
They had a circle jerk and ended up whoremongers.
TexBetsy @ 238
Or they have the kind of relationship where whatever STD the other partner is carrying doesn’t matter, because it is not a physical relationship. There are marriages like that.
madmommy @ 199
It’s like anything else, you have to check out the scout master and you have to educate your kids.
OT, when you call to check, they may ask if you want to be the scout master. Even if they don’t, I’m sure at some point, they will ask you to help shoulder some of the load. Finding age-appropriate activities for kids outside of school is always tough. The fact that your son asked about it sounds like an early and very healthy sign of wanting to leave the nest.
TexBetsy @ 238
Point, but that ignorance in this day and age is killer.
yeah suzanne i’m learning lol
I’m shocked, shocked at such connotations in a perfectly fine pescstablishment.
*gah* how does one’s position change within the same sentence: “I don’t eat pork chops, oooh, you bought apple juice, okay, I’d like a pork chop!” Catch that? My 15yo daughter!!! ;-)
Lindy @ 235
Or, as is possible in the case of Senator Larry Craig, (R-ID), the wives have never been bothered in that way by their husbands.
LS @ 26
Ding!
Boo Radley @ 247
Noooooo!…..not yet with the leaving the nest thing. I cannot deal with that yet : )
snark… :-)
Hehe …
Please, PLEASE don’t ever change your writing style. No matter what those wingnuts with their faux indignation might say…
I LOVe IT !!!
Loo Hoo. @ 239
The pleasure was all mine, ma’am. Nice breakfast at our table, don’t you agree?
cub & Boy scouts —- Den leader before Pack Leader before Scoutmaster.
CTuttle @ 197
Nite, and thanks!
Valley Girl @ 209
Thanks.
I also did one about Gonzo over at my place.
Gnome de Plume @ 246
I guess so. Most of these we’ve seen lately, though have children, and I guess I just thought of them still being sexually interactive.
TexBetsy @ 238
Or, they don’t have S*E*X*.
OK, I’m ready for someone in the MSM to pull a Glenn Beck and ask a Republican candidate to “prove” that they aren’t a closeted gay just like Beck asked the newly elected Muslim representative from Minnesota to “prove” he wasn’t a terrorist.
neurophius @ 237
Or why, as Howie innuendoed today, he forbade his son Josh to set foot in Idaho as previously planned?
Loo Hoo. @ 224
Well, it’s not one of the non-profit ones I’ve been Begging For, but, it is 10 minutes from sonny-boy’s school, which is especially nice in LA. A private charter plane company at the Van Nuys airport. They flew Ellen Degeneres the other day. Really nice folks, it seems. But, man-o, am I tired tonight from my brain working overtime to suck up all of today’s info. :)
madmommy @ 199
I think so. Be involved and check out the local scouting organization, but frankly, there is danger everywhere (and always was; don’t fall for the “things are more dangerous now” fallacy), and by trying to protect them from any possibility of danger, they miss out on some great experiences and you also risk teaching them to fear the world.
I doubt there is more danger in scouting than in a lot of other group activities. As you pointed out, instances are more likely in a very large organization, but that doesn’t make them more likely to happen to any individual.
(And if it might reassure you, check out whether the local organization does child abuse prevention training. Not that you should necessarily write them off if they don’t, but it may be helpful if they do.)
TexBetsy @ 257
Thanks for the info. My brothers weren’t intersted in scouting and I got bounced from the Brownies for insubordination (imagine!)
Vitter’s approval rating will rise because the people who live outside of New Orleans hate the Dems more than the sinner.
madmommy @ 243
Unless things have changed (and it’s been a while) Cubs have moms for pack adult leaders.
Technicolouryawn @ 262
Don’t hold your breath.
madmommy @ 267
My son’s den and pack always did family campouts. At least through 4th or 5th grade. Not sure beyond that.
ohhh the things my brother told me of his exploits in his relationships – the majority of his partners were “happily married” men and they kept my brother in a very nice life-style….
TeddySanFran @ 269
My son’s group had a den dad and a pack couple.
madmommy @ 199
Go on the camp outs with them. Oh, wait. Maybe they won’t let you. Your husband, perhaps?
So sad we have to think this way…
TeddySanFran @ 268
Interesting. Of course that means I would need to go camping. In a tent. Outdoors. With bugs. I think hubby would really enjoy being a pack leader.
TexBetsy @ 238
I read where she lives in Chicago..Her children are from a previous marriage. The marriage could have been “cover” for both of them.
madmommy @ 255
No, no, he’s just flapping his stubby little fuzz-covered wings and hopping around! No leaving the nest, okay! :-)
madmommy @ 266
My brother and I loved our Boy Scout troop – and we got to go hiking/camping once a month.
Thirty years later, I’m still hiking and camping.
For kids who have limited time to explore outdoors, Scouting can build a great sense of love for nature.
BTW – Scouting is not the outdoor gateway to EarthFirst!
(sadly)
SteveAudio @ 260
cheezburgers r my favrit.
Redshift @ 277
That won’t happen for at least another two weeks.
I don’t think they do camp outs with the little cubbies. Iirc, that comes when they get a wee bit older.
Hiya, Gang!
Sitting here in Centennial Hall in Sitka, Alaska, where the incredible Crosssound musicians have just finished rehearsing my pieces and have moved on to the music of Seattle’s Garrett Fisher.
Looks like Don Young and Ben Stevens are in more trouble up here. Meanwhile, at a Democratic Paty fundraiser in Anchorage yesterday, Mike Gravel endorsed Diane Benson. The Parrty had promoted the fundraiser on their website before the event, sending out tens of thousands of e-mails. But since Gravel endorsed Benson, the Party website has dropped mention of the event and hasn’t mentioned the endorsement. Several videos were made, though, and we’re going to try to get one of ‘em up on YouTube – next to his pebble-in-the-pond stuff.
madmommy @ 275
Hey, hey, now. Have you ever been? I totally love tent camping, outdoors. They have these things called blow-up mattresses. And the tent has a sky lite, so you can see the stars. But, then, to each his own.
TexBetsy @ 279
You are so helpful ;-)
madmommy @ 267
Wow, that would make you the second person I know who was kicked out of the Brownies for insubordination! Unless you’re the same person, and you used to go by the nickname of “Quincy” in college many years ago.
kirk murphy @ 277
As with anything, plusses and minuses. Just have to be aware to what is going on, I guess.
Jeebus!!!!I just caught part of the Bush Speech on late KO. The reading of it doesn’t really convey the threat. The Neo-Cons and Cheney are going to get what they want. The little psychopath is really going to do it.
TexBetsy @ 279
Ha Ha, very funny : P
I am a kindergarten drop out. That is almost as cool as being kicked out of Brownies.
Hi ET.
Did you hear the news about Beethoven? Seems the poor fellow was given an accidental OD by the doc. How they figured that out NOW I don’t understand.
what!? we dont have enough war? and iran is soooo begging to be invaded aint they?? bushco MUST be stopped!!
Gnome de Plume @ 288
I don’t know, being kicked out of Brownies has a certain cachet.
Gnome de Plume @ 288
Ah, well, I can’t match it. I was only kicked out of Catholic junior high after a week…. :)
Well, I can barely keep my eyes open. I was up almost until the eclipse last night, and I said I was going to bed early tonight.
Gnome de Plume @ 289
Me too! Except I got kicked out of pre-school and wasn’t allowed to come back until 1st grade.
TexBetsy @ 294
A rabble-rouser from an early age.
Sigh – I was only kicked out of highschool my 2nd week of my sophmore year.
Suzanne @ 296
Piker. :)
madmommy @ 296
Nope. I was a breath-holder. Held my breath until I passed out. Scared the crap out the teachers and the other kids.
TeddySanFran @ 241
Much appreciated TSF.
Returning to lurker status.
TexBetsy @ 298
The stealth technique. Very good!
TexBetsy @ 289
It has been known for many years that high lead content was present in his hair. The new story is that they can now correlate the deposition pattern of the lead in the hair sample, with the frequency of his doctor visits.
DrDick @ 228
Nite Dr. D. We started classes this week too, good luck and give us details!
Chris
Rabble rousers are we,
Cranky and Free,
Hating the Hy-poc-cracy!
Steve-AR @ 287
I have to agree with you, Steve. I wish I was as confident as some that he can’t get away with it, but I don’t see anyone in a position to stop him.
TexBetsy @ 298
Funny! It amazes me daily what kids are capable of to get what they want when they want it. Last night my little guy (almost 4) wanted to glue some papers. I told him no, so he went into his room and spit onto the headboard until he had enough to glue the paper to the headboard. Then he came and got me to see his handiwork.
madmommy @ 306
demi@304
hear hear and yippee
montag @ 298
Y’all are my kind of people! Reform school rocks!
demi @ 306
Yeah and I have the gray hairs to prove it!
Gnome de Plume @ 232
These days, you have to have the talk about inappropriate touching when they are very young. The need to know that no matter what anyone says, they have to tell you if it happens.
madmommy @ 305
My nephew, age 4, was trying to glue his feet together last week. When the glue stick didn’t work, he tried Elmer’s.
Okay, sweets. I’m going to go to bed. Dang this working thing is wearin’ me out alreay.
Give me a coupla weeks and I’ll be stayin’ up late agin.
madmommy @ 306
nice! how’s the headboard surviving?
mine wasn’t when i wanted to. it was if i was hurt and instead of crying i would breathe in a few times and hold it in before i cried. rather sad looking back on it with adult eyes.
Lindy @ 261
The children in the marriage of Senator Larry Craig (R-ID) arrived with the lovely bride, a former staffer.
Gnome de Plume @ 312
What was the aim? Just to do it?
Lindy @ 235
Or that they don’t have sex with their husbands and don’t have to worry.
Sleep well Demi.
Steve-AR @ 301
The other prevalent theory is that clarifying wine with lead sulfate was considered to be medicinal at the time, and Beethoven was known to be a prolific wine drinker.
Between doctors and his own habits, that might explain both his deafness and his early death.
TJ @ 310
They already did a unit about it in kindergarden last year. Sent a note home about what they would be telling the kids, along with an invatation to come to the school to see the curicculum it would be based on. We took that as a springboard to talk about it at home, as well.
demi @ 312
Contrary to popular belief, stamina is the first to go, rather than what was I saying…!!! *g*
I get so lost reading all the comments, that I can never catch up. Gosh, I’m still back in the 200’s. How do y’all go so fast. Plus, I can’t join until at least 10:00 or so. sigh.
Chris
marriages of convenience come to mind – no sex at all….
madmommy @ 319
The other thing to tell kids to be aware of is an adult who wants the child to touch him or her, not just an adult who wants to touch the child.
“Roll Over, Beethoven!” was a great song. Maybe we need “Get the Lead Out, Beethoven!”?
juslin @ 272
I know gay men who always date married men. They don’t hang around afterwards and want a messy relationship. Of course, there’s holidays alone, but that’s what gay bars are for!
TexBetsy @ 315
Sometimes it’s best not to know too much. If I knew what was going through the boys head I would likely end up in a rubber room.
montag, i freed your comment – not sure why it got caught in the filters.
Madmommy – there’s an easy fix for that!
And, btw,
Suzanne, if you’re back from taking The Cutest Dog In The World for a walk,
Is cake in a bowl with milk as good as Fruity Pebbles? I’ll let ya know tomorrow…or later, if it doesn’t work.
Gnome de Plume @ 311
You really need to introduce him to super glue (remembering to keep the solvent to prevent skin-to-skin gluing handy).
Give him a chance to experience terror at a young age and he’ll know when he sees it as an adult. :)
whew, just caught up to you fast movin’ pups, prolly to late to say “Congrats, Demi!” (Maybe she’ll read it in the morning.)
Liss, if you’re around, FB mail awaits.
madmommy @ 325
But, that’s yer Nome de Plume…!!! ;-)
demi, sure is – even better :)
madmommy @ 199
You are definitely not over-reacting.
Married men with kids make good Scout Masters.
Spinning circle, folks. Go upstairs.
overheard outside a middle school today …..
“Live with it. We’re not in the 20th century any more dude!”
Suzanne @ 327
Didn’t notice… which one incurred electronic wrath?
montag, nail polish remover is a good fix for unsticking something superglued together. Girl children tended to stick their fingers together with it.
CTuttle @ 330
So true!
It’s bedtime for me. All these late nights yacking it up with ya’ll is crimping my beauty sleep, and I need all the help I can get!
montag, the wine lead one
madmommy @ 326
You are right. My sister says that he wanted to take a bath and that somehow having glued-together feet would get him in the tub quicker.
Suzanne @ 338
How odd that would be trapped.
The only weird word in there was sulfate. Ah, maybe because it’s common to drug chemical names (those always appended to brand names in parentheses).
Well, guess I was wrong, but, I swear…
NDFG, Thanks, hon. Have fun tonight.
And ba bye, y’all.
Gnome de Plume @ 341
Till he tries to take off his pants. Oops.
madmommy @ 320
Good for you. Information is the best protection.
When I was about 10, I was walking home from school when I found a heavy paper advertisement for dirty movies. I picked it up and looked at it, but then dropped it again. Only as an adult did I realize that it might have been intentionally put there, and that the kid who kept it might have become a victim.
demi @ 333
not always proof a new post is on the way… i believe we have another 10 minutes or so before the next one…
madmommy @ 339
Nite, MM!!!
SteveAudio @ 260
Uhhh, is this the one you mean? Good lolcat werk.
http://steveaudio.blogspot.com…..-down.html
newtonusr @ 257
It was so cool to meet you and eeveryone else. I’ll never forget!
Suz,
Right. I thought maybe he was making up for being late last night.
(ps…the milk and cake’s working And the dog’s liking it too.)
Loo Hoo. @ 349
Neither will I.
And thanks again to you Loo Hoo and to the others who helped me get there.
Ok, I think I will glue my feet together and go to bed. See you tomorrow, hopefully, unless Junior starts WWIII during the night.
Gnome de Plume @ 350
Gives one a great reason to appreciate the dawn, yeah?
Gnome de Plume @ 352
You may be too old to sleep comfortably with your feet glued together like that.
Alicia @ 304
Only the Military can stop it now. The sudden increase in stories about arms deals and corruption may be push back. The big question is will the senior military stage a “soft coup”; mass resignations and speaking out. The Air Force won’t but Army and Marine officers might. If they don’t, they will be held accountable for the biggest military disaster in American History.
oh god – dont give chimpy that idea – we all know how gullible he is…
madmommy @ 267
I got kicked out of the girl scouts in sixth grade too. I can happen. Couldn’t stop laughing at the wrong time….
Hi everyone!
TexBetsy @ 295
I ditched pre-school when I was 3, walked to a friend’s house, and my mother was so mad. It was really boring. Not as boring as staying home for a week…that taught me!
So, when a Republican senator stray from the straight and narrow, the pattern is:
* If his replacement is sure to be a Republican, he’s a dispicable asshole.
* If his replacement is likely to be a Democrat, even a Blue Dog, his indiscretion is “understandable,” and we should hate the sin but love the sinner.
* If he’s likely to be defeated by a candiate, we should deny the claim, crucify whoever outed him, and note that the Democrats have certainly screwed the pooch this time.
TexBetsy @ 354
Plus, if you try to get up and go to the bathroom when you’re half asleep, you could really hurt yourself. (I think this comes to mind because a friend recently had to go to the emergency room after he was sleepwalking and fell down the stairs!)
Y’all ever get the impression that half of us are sleep-lake-surfing around this hour?
Steve-AR @ 353
We’ve already had the biggest military disaster in the country’s history. Who’s been held accountable?
The people who warned against it were shunted aside.
Look. War gives everyone at the top a chance for medals, promotions, etc. The only ones who don’t give a shit about such things have already gotten theirs in the last war.
So, what’s one more? There are careers to be made. The CIC says bomb the shit out of this country, it’s the military’s job to do it, and they will–to the best of their ability.
No one’s thinking about the long-term damage created by doing so except the DFHs–and the Pentagon doesn’t care about them….
Breaking NPR News!
Larry Craig sez He Is Not Gay.
I always think of this as recharging time. Being around great folks that keep me from feeling alone in wanting progressive change for the country.
Ed*ard Teller @ 282
Hey, ET! Good news, followed by weird news. DIANE!
wigwam @ 359
Yes…!!!
juslin @ 323
Sometimes my hubby and I have no sex but only when it is convenient.
55% In Idaho Say Craig Should Resign; Approval Rating Plummets
from The Full Feed from HuffingtonPost.com by The Huffington Post News Editors
55% in Idaho Say U.S. Senator Larry Craig Should Resign: Less than 36 hours after the Capitol Hill newspaper Roll Call first broke the story of Larry Craig’s arrest in an airport bathroom, 89% in Idaho are aware. SurveyUSA interviewed 600 Idaho adults the evening of 8/28/07 to measure initial reaction, including 475 registered voters who have heard the news accounts. Of Idaho voters, 55% today say Craig should resign. 34% say Craig should remain in office. 11% are not sure. Among Idaho Republicans, 45% say Craig should resign, 42% say Craig should remain in office. Democrats and Independents overwhelmingly say Craig should resign. There are many sides to a complex story, and as new facts come to light, opinions can be expected to change.
Job Approval for Craig down 26 Points to 34%: Among all Idaho adults, 34% today approve of Craig’s Job Performance, 58% disapprove. When SurveyUSA last recorded Job Approval numbers for Craig and fellow U.S. Senator from Idaho Mike Crapo, in November 2006, Craig had a 60% Job Approval, 26 percentage points higher than his approval today. Crapo had a 61% Job Approval in November 2006, identical to his Job Approval today. Over 19 consecutive months of tracking Craig, his SurveyUSA Job Approval among Idaho Republicans ranged from 71% to 82%. Today, among Idaho Republicans Craig’s approval is 46%. Among Idaho Conservatives, Craig’s Job Approval for 19 months ranged between 70% and 80%. Today, among Conservatives, Craig’s approval is at 51%.
marymccurnin @ 367
Classic!
Steve-AR @ 302
They all powdered their hair in those days. With lead! That’s what they used to make the beautiful white hair. Then they’d get huge sores on their faces, and used lead make-up to cover it up. Killer.
TexBetsy @ 366
Says a whole helluva lot about Idaho, doesn’t it?
They think he’s a closeted fag and they want to crucify him, but, otherwise, he’s a great guy.
No excusing his hypocrisy, but, geez, it’s so goddamned obvious, it’s downright pathetic.
My mom’s good friend was married to a minister. At one point, I guess he couldn’t handle a double life any more and told her about the men. And suddenly, the minister’s wife had to get test for HIV and other STDs. It took her a while to even have coffee with a man after that experience.
ET, you still around? Posted comment on next thread, but I have a Diane Benson question. Check next thread.
Steve-AR @ 355
I just got chills when I heard that tone in his voice – that threatening, petulant, arrogant, ‘bring it on’ stuff. A lot of us have been predicting it for over a year, but now that it’s imminent, it’s terrifying.
TexBetsy @ 368
How would it work if he resigns i.e. who nominates his successor? Will they have to hold a special election?
How can we stop the Dick from invading Iran?
Any chance the brass will stop such madness?
I watched the video of Craig’s press conference on C&L today, where he says he’s going to ask his counsel to advise him on what to do. Here’s some free advice for him: Stop going to airports to give blow jobs in public restrooms. Just do like Jeff Gannon and the rest of the Republican pervs, and do it at the White House.
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Okay, he’s not “gay”… and we have no reason to believe this, do we?
He may be “gay curious”… or even “gay inquisitive” nay I say it even “gay investigative” but the most likely thing, and the one that has the most evidence to support it is that he is…
“Gay Obsessed”
Yes, the good Senator is obsessed with the gay lifestyle and is driven to explore its many aspects is order to satiate his compulsion.
I like that… Gay Obsessed…
Normally I would never tell anyone to hide, but T… you may be in danger of a “drive-by blowjob” from some congressional GOP member as obsessed with the gay lifestyle as our good (for nothing) Senator here.
Okay, he’s not “gay”… and we have no reason to believe this, do we?
He may be “gay curious”… or even “gay inquisitive” nay I say it even “gay investigative” but the most likely thing, and the one that has the most evidence to support it is that he is…
“Gay Obsessed”
Yes, the good Senator is obsessed with the gay lifestyle and is driven to explore its many aspects is order to satiate his compulsion.
I like that… Gay Obsessed…
Normally I would never tell anyone to hide, but T… you may be in danger of a drive-by ”incident” from some congressional GOP member as obsessed with the gay lifestyle as our good (for nothing) Senator here.
Lindy @ 235
Maybe she doesn’t think that she has any chance of being infected? I bet they “sleep in separate beds”.
Drudge is obviously a pedo.
Even the ludicrous defense Craig is mounting (no pun intended) is jut based on the Republican dogma that homosexuality is what’s wrong and not the acts that Craig has engaged in. Someone needs to remind Craig (and all Republican gay-bashers) that what was wrong was the conduct of trying to engage someone for sex in a public place – regardless of sexual orientation. Somehow Craig is defending himself by saying “I am not gay”, but he was not arrested for being gay – he was arrested for lewd behavior. Is lewd behavior more “acceptable” of straight people than gay people? I don’t think so.
So, Senator Craig, shut up about being or not being gay. If you want to defend yourself then address your actions and stop attacking homosexuals as a way of trying to exculpate yourself. Being gay is not a problem (except for Republicans); on the other hand being a sexual predator is. Trying to “score” in a public bathroom is not acceptable regardless of sexual orientation.
Another topic for later on is risky sexual behavior (also not recommended for anyone regardless of sexual orientation).