What would you think would be bigger news — and hit the press quicker?
– A congressman (Bob Filner) lipping off to and pushing around airport security personnel, OR:
– A male Senator (Larry Craig) caught trying to solicit sex from a male undercover cop in an airport bathroom known as a meeting-place for sex trysts?
The Filner (Democrat) altercation happened on August 19 and was national news within hours. The Craig (Republican) incident occurred June 11, and I and the rest of the world are only hearing about it now — even though stories about the gay-bashing conservative Republican Craig’s penchant for airport sex with men have been circulating online and elsewhere for a while. (And the Idaho Statesman is good enough to admit that Mike Rogers’ BlogActive story is what started their own yearlong probe of Craig’s behavior — a probe whose fruits were kept from us until now by the paper’s timidity in the face of likely legal action on the part of Craig and Craig’s deep-pocketed backers. Of course, as Christy noted earlier, covering up same-sex incidents involving the gay-bashing Craig seems to have been a decades-long sport.)
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Zed? Na way
OK,
I saw a different post a few minutes ago, I swear.
Bustednuckles @ 5
Same here, but been fooled before
How do the righties get away with constantly accusing the MSM of being the liberal press?
Oh, I’ve had that happen before. It’s bizarre, but apparently the all important zeds are preserved ;-)
Anyway, that’s one disturbing picture…
PW: The gay bashing link is broken (for me anyways)
Oklahoma kiddo @ 7
They make sure the MSM gets plenty of behind-the-scenes lovin’ in Minneapolis airport restrooms.
Or something not unlike that.
Koch Food chicken plant in Cinncinnatti raided today and 160 illegal’s arrested.
howdy y’all.
maybe the newspapers didn’t know about this guy’s arrest?
You know, I’m pissed at Craig for treating his constituents (yeah, dumbass, you’re stuck with me just like I’m stuck with you) like they are stupid, and making sure that the entire nation thinks we’re idiots, too.
If, however, this bulls*t results in that bat-sh*t insane Fundie Bill Sali getting a Senate seat my head might explode.
Democratic candidate Larry LaRocco will be liveblogging at Kos tomorrow. Check him out, and remember, Sali won by the skin of his teeth – there is an opportunity here, people.
Nothing like watching the wingnuts get hoisted on their own re…err…petards. The stench of hypocrisy has never been stronger.
End of Republican Days….
Oklahoma kiddo @ 7
It’s a meme they’ve gotten people in America to believe like unions are bad and are responsible for the loss of jobs because of exorbitant wage demands….not like any one contract ever came close to paying a shitload of workers what one friggin hedge fund manager makes, I’m just saying.
Matthews opening story on Hardball is a very snarky indictment of Sen. Craig – Shuster continues the time lines and details – bye bye Craig.
ccmask @ 11
That wouldn’t be the Koch family that a Bush woman is married into would it?
SnarKassandra @ 12
Well, I grant you, the media aren’t exactly the sharpest knives in the drawer these days. But…it’s kind of hard to believe that nobody in the press noticed that a Senator was arrested for disorderly conduct after allegedly soliciting sex acts from an undercover police officer in an airport restroom.
SnarKassandra @ 12
Hi Cassie.
Yeah, maybe they didn’t especially if the people running the state wanted to make sure embarrassing news didn’t leak out.
How was school? My kids start next week and I’m in the middle of helping with a book report that we had alllll summer to do, of course.
Larry Craig, David Vitter, Ted Stevens and Pete Domenici.
The Sinning Senators.
-GSD
james @ 20
Today was a lot better than yesterday. And I think I have the crazy schedule figured out.
GSD @ 21
And John McCain of the Keating Five!
Gonzales is probably happy that the spotlight is on Craig.
Hardball slammed Naomi Wolf she is quite arrogant.
Rove, Gonzales resignation, am I going to far hoping Cheney will be wanting to spend more time with his grandchildren soon.
james @ 18
I’ll answer my own question.
Yes it is a Bush family connection right down to the oil-for-food scandal that they tried to destroy Kofi Annan with.
Interesting how this crime family is so pervasive, isn’t it?
Koch Foods-Bush Family-oil for food scandal
Cassie,
What courses are you taking? Which ones look interesting?
(My daughter left 30 minutes ago for NYC and her last year at Columbia.)
Christopher Hitchens is quite the ass
GSD @ 21
If any of these guys try to run again . . .
It’s hard to speculate.
TeddySanFran @ 23
I commented on that in the previous thread too.
Did you ever read The Franklin Cover-Up? Excellent book about GOP and kid trafficking in the 80s, even got a George HW Bush mention in it.
“oh FDL, I wish I could quit you”
(work productivity hovering near zero this week)
I have a Very Innocuous Theory on why this is, coming up at 9.
(Wow, it’s like… pre-emptive blogwhoring or something)
GSD @ 21
Stall Boy, Diaper Boy, Bridge Boy, Boy Boy.
Watching Hardball. It appeared that Chris Matthews got pretty excited while describing in detail the conduct Sen. Craig is alleged to have engaged in in the airport men’s room. Calm down, Tweety!
Eli @ 31
Eli, you’re posting something at 9?
I’m not gonna get a damn thing done tonight, am I? I better let my daughter know she’s gonna really be working on that book report in the next hour and a half.
Jonathan @ 26
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Only seen each class once for 90 minute classes. I have a really weird schedule.
james @ 25
this was news to me
shaking head
Why am I surprised by this?
james @ 25
If Koch Foods is a subsidiary of Koch Industries, then that’s the same bunch. Although, there is one of the Koch brothers that gave up on the rest and moved to Florida and hasn’t had much to do with his less-than-honorable family since.
Same bunch that stole oil from Oklahoma tribes for decades.
(BTW, for the few DLC defenders, last time I checked, there were no fewer than two Koch Industries execs on the DLC executive board….)
james @ 34
Yeah, it’s mostly on Larry Craig, but I go off on a media tangent at the end.
“I’m discontented with rooms that are rented
So I have invented my own.
Baby this place is lover’s oasis
Where life’s weary pace is unknown
Far from the crowd in city
No flowers pretty caress the stream
Cozy to hide in, to grope side by side in,
Don’t let it abide in my dream-
Picture you upon you knees
Just tearoom for two
And two for tea
Me for you
And you for me alone
(Unless some other Dude wants to join us)
Nobody near us to see us or hear us
No friends or relations or cons on probation
We won’t have it known,
That we’re both homophobes
dear…
Day will break and I’ll wake
And start to bake a TINA cake
For you to take for all the boys to see
We will fuck a family
A boy for you
And a boy for me
Can’t you see how happy we would be…”
Tweety has another man-crush on camera?
Hope he’s sitting behing a desk.
Can I just install a CNS catheter for my brain bleah?
neurophius @ 33
Elliott @ 36
Unfortunately I know more little bits and pieces about the Bush family and its tentacles than is probably healthy for me to know.
When I go to certain conferences or seminars my friends won’t stand by me when we’re milling around outside and I usually keep my back to the wall and my eyes on the doors.
James at 29
IMO, everyone here at FDL should take a good look at the Franklin scandal and coverup.
kirk murphy @ 40
what’s your diagnosis, Doctor?
james @ 25
So why is he raiding one of his campaign donors’ establishments? Do they get some kind of tax cut if the gov takes their employees away???Crazy times.
james @ 29
Never heard of that. How about Mel Sembler’s abusive “drug treatment” program, Straights. A great friend of mine went through mucho rehab and says Mel Sembler is notorious. And he’s Lieberman’s old fundraiser. And I think , now he’s Mitt romney’s
montag @ 37
And that’s one of the Clinton-Poppy Bush connections.
See? It’s like Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon in this government nowadays except Bushes and Clintons are the keypoints.
I recall years ago when I was in middle school we had ‘current events day’. Each of us was required to bring three newspaper articles dealing with current news and issues to class every Wednesday. And these clippings were discussed and evaluated. It was, in this teacher’s view, a valuable means of teaching kids the merits of good, objective and responsible journalism. We all loved current events day. In the public school where I now work, the closest we get to that kind of thing is “My Weekly Reader”.
punaise @ 30
Oh, punaise. If you would only be my Prairie Homo Companion.
SnarKassandra @ 35
Sounds like you should be busy enough. I almost feel sorry for you on the world history course, though; high-school history was a crashing bore when I took it, for reasons that can only be enhanced by teaching to a standardized test. I had to get into college before I realized just how interesting history really is.
SnarKassandra @ 35
Excellent, just great, courses. Each and every one. You’re preparing yourself for your future really, really well.
TRex @ 48
LOL!
Anybody notice how they shut down the I-40 bridge over the Mississippi river immediately after I drove over it with an overweight load?
Makes my stitches itch.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 47
We do that. What you did in middle school. But we do it at the library so we can all get newspapers online.
Jonathan @ 42
Yes, they should. Good old non-partisan child sex abuse with kids being traded among the glitteratti and then prosecuted when they opened their mouths.
Hope your daughter enjoys her last year. Let’s hope it is an uneventful one. My first command as a captain was the 26 precinct on 126 street which covers Columbia.
Although it might have taken longer to break, a sex story is always bigger news because everyone has opinions about sex. Its like C. Northcot Parkinson’s theories about corporate behavior: a committee can deal with a complex issue involving nuclear energy plants in 15 minutes, but an agenda item involving coffee service is likely to take hours.
Bob in HI
Why in the hell is Ari Fleisher’s mug shot on National Television , who cares what a traitor thinks. This guy should be in jail for outing Valerie Plame Wilson. Why did they give this traitor immunity?
Impeach Ari Fleisher!
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/…..her-gonzo/
Oklahoma kiddo @ 47
Cassie can brinbg in the Vitter, the Craig & the Foley stories.
Just a reminder for everypup
Edwards and Kucinich
Tue. Aug. 28, 7:30 pm: John Edwards and Dennis Kucinich “will take part in discussions of key domestic issues before representatives of the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers (IAM)”
“The event will be streamed, live, from the http://www.GOIAM.org web site.
Streaming provided by ustream.tv.”
bobschacht @ 55
Right, like the Foggo/Wilkes Hookergate, or Gannongate. Those totally dominated the news for MONTHS!
ccmask @ 57
Nope. Not US news this year. World news. Library is on Fridays.
Okay, now I get it…D’oh…
“I chose to plead guilty to a lesser charge.”
The Attorney General resigned yesterday in disgrace, U.S. policy in Iraq is failing spectacularly, the economy is tanking, and Hardball leads off with 27 minutes of coverage on the Senator-in-the-men’s-room story.
Elliott @ 58
http://www.goiam.org/pop-debate.htm
I have a question. If I click on the Amazon link above to buy a book, does it only count if I purchase the book on the link above, or can I preorder another and FDL gets the credit?
Elliott @ 43
Repressed, closeted, sel-hating, snig*ering, beefy, eager to please – and yield.
Oilfieldguy @ 52
Was one of two bridges I first thought about after the twin cities nightmare.
Hi everybody upstairs! Got EPU’ed…
Did anybody notice Larry “NOT GAY” Craig’s first words at his presser?
Something close to: Thanks for coming out…
Seriously, that’s what he said.
Love to know what Pach thinks about that Freudian slip. :)
SnarKassandra @ 60
Keep an eye on The Asia Times, then. Also keep an eye out for stories there by a Pepe Escobar. Interesting journalist. Kind of a snarky Robert Fisk.
The cop was confused.
“A spare square? Just a square!”
montag @ 67
Thank you. (Ma’am or sir?)
LS @ 61
Since it took place in a restroom, would that be a “pee bargain”?
Old Heave-Ho
08.28.07 — 6:47PM
By Josh Marshall
Senate Republicans call for Ethics Investigation of Sen. Craig (R).
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/051803.php
Eating their own.
ccmask @ 64
Good question because I’m an occasional Amazon shopper also.
– Imagine the angst in the congressional MENS washrooms. “Were you just in there with…?” Imagine their failing to wash their hands before leaving — if — walks in…?
LS @ 61
A lesser charge? Would that be more like a buzz?
Maggie @ 66
I also liked this bit from Chris Cillizza’s “The Fix” blog in the WaPo:
SnarKassandra @ 35
Journalism! That’s amazing that you have that option in high school! There were no classes in journalism when I was in high school. Is it an elective? If so, good choice!
Bob in HI
James,
I believe I’ve seen you say here that you’ve been an investigator.
And now, a police captain.
I’m pleased to be in your company.
Steve-AR @ 71
Fine with me if they want to save us the trouble.
Eli @ 70
Eli (Whitney?): he shouldn’t have cottoned to the ginned-up charges – even though it was the lesser of two weavils.
(is that a re-run?)
SnarKassandra @ 69
montag’s fine… “sir” makes me uncomfortable. :)
Craig is not gay. He doesn’t even look amused.
punaise @ 79
That’s quite a boll statement.
My cousin is 13 and my aunt said he shouldn’t go into the men’s room anywhere except school. And he is supposed to yell PERVERT really loud if somebody tries to tap their foot near his in the restroom someplace.
EvilDrPuma @ 49
I had to go travelling before I understood how interesting history is. What they do to it in schools should be illegal.
ccmask @ 44
The Koch Family is more than a donor, Bush senior’s sister, the president’s aunt, is married into that family….they are family.
bobschacht @ 76
It is an elective. School newspaper this semester and morning video announcements next semester.
Hugh @ 74
Actually…
According to a Hennepin County, Minn., court docket, Craig pleaded guilty to a disorderly conduct charge on Aug. 8, with the court dismissing a charge of gross misdemeanor interference to privacy
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20467347/
John Dean on sighting “dark clouds” following Rove.
“Will a dark cloud follow Rove back to Texas?”
http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20070824.html
Senator Pat Leahy and clouds
“The list of senior White House and Justice Department officials who have resigned during the course of these congressional investigations continues to grow, and today, Mr. Rove added his name to that list. There is a cloud over this White House, and a gathering storm. A similar cloud envelops Mr. Rove, even as he leaves the White House.”
Fitz and clouds
“There is a cloud over the vice president . . . And that cloud remains because this defendant obstructed justice,” Fitzgerald said.
“There is a cloud over the White House. Don’t you think the FBI and the grand jury and the American people are entitled to straight answers?” Fitzgerald asked the jury.
Libby, Fitzgerald continued, “stole the truth from the justice system.”
More clouds please..
Just when will Cheney be wanting to spend more time with his grandchildren?
SnarKassandra @ 83
It might be hard to completely avoid restrooms….but I can’t disagree with Betsy on the second part.
Shorter Junya to Senator Craig: “Jest stall ‘em Larry. Ah do it all the time.”
bobschacht @ 76
A word of warning. Make sure your teacher is not named Judy Miller or Michael Gordon.
Kathleen @ 88
Clouds are nice, but we need some thunder and lightning. Or at least a good solid downpour.
Mad Dogs @ 90
Seems to me that stalling was where the trouble started.
SnarKassandra @ 53
Do you have a discussion about what you read, with teacher involvement?
Maybe Craig’s reference to “a cloud over Idaho” is code for “I did it with Dick”.
Be sure to read Howard Zinn’s A People’s History of the United States. He covers our esteemed history from a totally progressive point of view. What did the indians think, the slaves, the laborers, the women? History is totally fascinating I think.
EvilDrPuma @ 49
peanutbutter @ 84
We had the BEST BEST BEST history teacher in 8th for US history. We learned new stuff on Monday and got an assignment Tuesday to do a debate or act out a trial or be the continental congress or something. We practiced in groups and did the debate or the simulated trial on Thurs or Friday and then started the next part on Monday. And we all did tons of extra reading so we could win debates and trip up the other teams.
Jonathan @ 77
Nooo, just jobs, but jobs I took seriously.
I was a truck driver when I got out of the Marines, then a cop, uniform and plainclothes, a supervisor investigating drug dealing and gangster cops in Harlem and Brooklyn, did some major case investigations, kidnappings and gang robberies, then I was a captain before I got hurt during a riot and retired.
Along the way I was able to go to college and complete a graduate degree studying with a really great radical political economist at the New School.
carmen @ 96
I seem to remember Cassie saying something about reading Zinn, but that was some months back. I don’t know of anything comparable for world history, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
carmen @ 96
used at Berkeley High School in social justice and American history classes
I read half of that book this summer
Cassie, All right little sister. You give me hope as do all the other FDL’rs.
SnarKassandra @ 101
John Dean “Thus, the potential for such activities becoming known is very real, and this gathering storm means a few dark clouds are following Rove back to Texas. Should they burst, Rove may have far more serious problems than being in contempt of Congress.”
So is Craig’s political career tapped out or not? Has his job received a blow or the reverse?
We still flounder as a democracy, merely because it was built on the foudation of slavery. Bigotry and better-thans stain our souls, moreso the shallow ones with little ability and ambition seeking someone else to blame for their woeful inadequacies. Teh gay, teh minorities, etc.
The party of personal responsibilities dredge the shallow end of the gene pool with dulcette tones of “it’s not your fault.” Sort of a Ju jitsu of ‘It’s all about the man, keepin’ you down.’
Cozumel @ 88
I read that this afternoon and then couldn’t remember what to google. That it it!!
neurophius @ 62
That is why they call it “Hardball”. We need some funny stuff to balance the not so funny stuff.
Hugh @ 104
Maybe both!
SnarKassandra @ 102
Eddie Vedder would be proud. ;-)
james @ 98
I’m still pleased to be in your company.
I volunteered for Viet Nam but never had your level of courage.
All these clouds. Yet No One Singing. In. The. Rain. Oh, please, can I hear some singing?
Hugh @ 104
It’s just temporarily stalled.
EvilDrPuma @ 94
“It was the fault of that dad-gummed music they pipe into that restroom, I tell you. They were playing a real toe-tapper . . .”
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Sounds like you have some great options at your school. How’s the teacher & your fellow students in journalism?
Bob in HI
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EvilDrPuma @ 109
The best part was the very beginning of the press conference. Talk about an instant classic.
SnarKassandra @ 101
After you finish, read William Greider’s Who Will Tell the People?
carmen @ 96
And in this country, it is something you never have to relearn because it repeats itself.
Did Bertie Walnuts really resign so he could spend more time spying on his family?
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Hugh @ 118
707!!
punaise @ 101
As nice as the viewpoint of this book is, its accuracy is questionable in some instances. Just keep that in mind. It’s a good way to take a different look at history though.
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Oilfieldguy @ 120
Who’s that, Rove?
bg @ 112
Louie Armstrong:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnRqYMTpXHc
Reuel Marc Gerecht busy repeating unsubstantiated claims about Iran.
“Iran is, instead, a radical revolutionary force determined to sow chaos beyond its borders. Assuming that normal negotiations can bring it around is, therefore, a grave mistake.”
Gerecht’s description of Iran is double speak, it sound as if he is describing the “cakewalk” in Iraq zealots plan for the middle east regime change plan.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20…../newsweek/
Gerecht is a dangerous and radical warmonger.
Nah, Rove got sent to Texas to retain Crony(n)’s Senate seat. His only job–paramount.
oh, ALG 2. My schedule on my binder still says geom cause they made a mistake, but it is alg 2
Eli @ 113
His career has just been sucked dry.
Kathleen @ 126
The unsubstantiated ones are the ones you gotta repeat. It’s the only way to make them true.
cnn just put redstate blog on the teevee saying craig should be flushed.
Homework time. see y’all later for late night.
Kathleen @ 129
GROAN!!
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Oilfieldguy @ 131
Craig: urinal the blogs now.
TJ @ 134
Spit!
I’m not too worried about this slipping out of the headlines. There’s no better story than a Republican gay basher who gets caught giving blowj*bs in airport bathrooms. It’s even better than he denies being gay. And even better that he says he’s never been gay, as if it could have just been a passing phase.
The only thing that makes this story not so interesting is that it seems to happen like six times a year.
Nite Cassie.
I’m gonna concentrate on listening to Edwards and Kucinich.
LS at 125
FWIW, I’ve got Louis Armstrong on great Decca vinyl from the 1950s.
He sort of sold out to white, buying audiences.
He was one hell of an incredible jazz musician.
punaise @ 135
Craig: “Let `em eat cake.”
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Jonathan @ 139
That is really cool. I love vinyl.
OT..Burn Bush raised $123k over the weekend.
What a sad world we live in when a fine, outstanding man like Craig would have his good name dragged through the urine on the floor of the airport bathroom!
I was just thinking … Craig sounded like Frankie “Five Angels” Pantangele(sp?) during the Senate hearings
SnarKassandra @ 141
TMI (too much info)
GeorgeSimian @ 143
Well, “outsitting” is perhaps more accurate.
Steve-AR @ 143
Wow!! That is awesome.
LS @ 136
Hard and bold gives way to limp and small is the way of the world, as Craig should have known.
With this Craig stuff it seems like FDL has gone completely over to 24 hour snark a la Trex! We need to leave the boy with something to work with!
Hugh @ 119
Doh! …’Cause we never learn…!!! ;-)
When is Sen. Craig going to suck it up and come out of the water closet?
Hugh @ 119
what comes after tragedy and farce?
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Geez, you have to do algebra just to figure out your class schedule! That’s pretty sneaky of them.
Bob in HI
Which is better: “Larry Craig (R-Stallabama)”, or “Larry Craig (R-RR)”?
neurophius @ 152
At least he’s not sitting in one of those bathtubs on the hill.
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 147
I love that Jane, Christy and others in the blogosphere were able to marshall dollars for Darcy.
Ah, screw it, I’ll use both…
AZ Matt @ 149
“We need to leave the boy with something to work with!” Curiously, this is what Craig often said as well.
KO Time!!!
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I feel like an old fogey. In my day, each day was the same schedule. Well mebbe it helps for the insanity that is college.
KO “Senator Larry Craig is going to stick it out!”
Mwahahahaha!
LS @ 146
Kass,
I think I speak for most firepups when I say that you bring a wonderful perspective to the conversation. However, this is a protective group and I think we worry that the conversation is not always suitable for young folks. I know I turn it down a whole bunch when I see you are with us.
LS @ 161
One last grab for glory, I guess.
LS @ 162
please keep it up – no KO here….
LS @ 145
Sickos could use this to stalk you, but I think you are aware enough not to fall for it.
AZ Matt @ 149
I have just the thing– or rather, NPR does.
Bob in HI
Keith just said that “Craig is going to stick it out” notwithstanding the way he started his presser…hee hee, he called it a double entredre…hee hee.
montag @ 139
ah, hell. just hit the wall. I’m plumb out of material on this subject.
AZ Matt @ 150
I gave him this http://www.moanmyip.com/ with high hopes.
punaise @ 169
707
Eli @ 158
Is that a quote from Sen Craig?
Maggie @ 168
And he started with “Thanks for coming out today”!
raven @ 162
I suspect, raven, that Cassie could teach us a few things.
KO now showing the statement.
More on the Union Station encounter later…
FWIW
In the 1960s, I studied electrical engineering and law at the University of Illinois.
$135 tuition per semester.
And the guy who taught me honors analytic geometry (Kenneth I. Appel), basically for free, solved the four-color problem.
One of the biggest problems in the U.S. today is the cost of good-quality publlic higher education.
punaise @ 169
*gasp* …even you, O’mighty one? ;-)
raven @ 172
Would have been hilarious if someone had yelled back, “Same to you!”
SnarKassandra @ 141
just arriving here, Cassie, sorry to be an old busybody, but this is the type of thing a stalker could use to target you so i would urge you to request the mods remove it from the threads. if its up only a little while no harm done. (Once a mom, always a mom)
Is not being gay better than not being guilty?
I have never felt the need to mention the former, but have numerously declared the latter.
Senator wide stance flip-flops on this issue in his statement.
He never says “I am not guilty,” only “I am not gay.”
Seems like a good angle for a Trex post.
raven @ 164
No Snarkassandra. I just think it’s always better to err on the cautious side in terms of personal information online. Granny Wisdom. There are so many visitors here a day, most we dont know or talk to. It’s one of the reasons I wrestle with the idea of a facebook.
And I have seriously erred before.
There is no way in hell I would plead guilty to anything if I were innocent.
Craig: It’s all the Idaho Statesman’s fault.
At least he didn’t blame it on Bill Clinton–he left it to Mitt Romney to do that.
mui @ 181
Me 2
Prosecutors never heard from Craig’s lawyer, although he claimed to them he had one.
Oooh, the audio from the Union Station….performed fellatio…
Oilfieldguy @ 179
“Yes, I was trying to solicit gay sex, but that doesn’t mean I’m gay.”
tbsa @ 182
But the paper made him do it –
with the article they’d publish when they learned of his guilty plea…
no doubt in the guy’s mind it was Craig.
here’s david shuster…
Holy smokes! Do you think that was Gannon’s voice disguised saying he could name 80 Congressmen?
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 179
Didja catch the awesome eclipse last nite? Whew, an awesome birthday all the way around yesterday, eh…?!!! 8-)
voted against gay issues…
ability to compartmentalize
24 hours after the arrest performed with hte singing senators at a charity event.
u are with us.
I suspect, raven, that Cassie could teach us a few things. I TJ @ 174
And the point of that is that I shouldn’t be concerned about her well being?
Maggie @ 185
“reach-around sound” starts to sound lot more interesting.
are they streaming?
Electile Dysfunction….. hahahhahahahah hahahahahah hahahaha haahahahahah hahahahah ahahahaha. Oh geez, that’s the best one I’ve heard in a while.
“Didn’t get any heads up that this stuff was coming from Craig today”….Shuster…
david — maybe resignation rather than just not running for reelection.
Vitter A-OK because he talked to the leadership, but Craig didn’t.
Rachel Maddow on now
Good evening dear friends. I’m working with a mod behind the scenes to have the details of the schedule scrubbed. Will help if no one else quotes it.
neurophius @ 182
Why can’t he take his licks like a man?
LS @ 188
What did I miss?
Ya know, I’d really like these guys better as out gay guys than closeted hypocrits.
Romney video…family values.
Is it time to assume that when a rep says that, they are covering something up in their lives..KO
LS @ 170
Too bad it wasn’t a female undercover cop… then we could have talked about Craig and the basin wench.
Republicans sure got a hang-up with sex. I merely plead insanity, since I am just crazy about it. I wistfully glance at the truly kinky habits of others, just because I tend to be so pedestrian.
Aside from my comment to lady Jane asking her if she has a riding crop. As a liberal, I don’t even care who uses it.
TexBetsy @ 197
Capiche, did ya pull an Aunt Petunia on her, Ma’am? ;-)
TJ @ 198
This is in my post in about an hour, but consider: The GOP doesn’t even think gays should be allowed to marry or serve in the military. The *only* way a gay person gets elected is if they’re in the closet.
Or a Democrat.
CTuttle @ 190
yes indeedy, an awesome birthday! Alas, no eclipse visible due to yet another thunderstorm. Terrific light show tho!
My big complaint about the senator is him using the accessible bathroom when he is neither disabled nor pushing a baby carriage.
raven @ 191
Not at all, raven. I just think Cassie has shown enough maturity to handle adult topics.
CTuttle @ 204
Only Aunt Petunia was to send her towards homework.
TJ @ 199
But, but, but Craig is not gay and never has been.
TJ @ 198
I don’t care about anyone’s sexual orientation.
I do care about abuse of power.
TexBetsy @ 197
glad you’re on it TexB.
Rache – Craig has to be really anti-gay to work with Romney, Mr. anti-gay marriage in MA.
KO – did Craig just invite a Gary Hart type inquiry?
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 205
It turned a beautiful orange color…!!!
Jonathan @ 209
The fun is the snark. The substance is the hypocrisy.
Eli said:
No, it was a misunderstanding like the famous Sienfeld episode where Elaine was in dire need of a spare square of toilet tissue.
“A spare square?”
Heh. Mitt Romney. Heh. Heh. Betcha.
after break, moving on to bushie boy and fredo — jon turley.
love him.
TexBetsy @ 208
Heh, crack that whip…!!!
I learn so much at this place, lol.
Seriously, I have become the go-to person for friends who are at work with no access or time to keep up with the latest.
TexBetsy @ 208
Second day of school and homework already? Dayum.
CTuttle @ 213
Sigh. Darn clouds. I’ve seen lunar eclipses and they are beautiful.
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 205
Unfortunately, the saga of Senator “I’m not gay. I’ve never been gay” Craig seems to have eclipsed the story of Fredo in the lake…
peanutbutter @ 221
TexTeen had to do 45 min last night and his schedule is entirely wrong. Did all that work for a class he won’t be taking as of tomorrow. He may start calling me Mama Petunia.
Bill Kristol still wallowing around in the Vietnam comparison.
One thing for that is similar between Vietnam and Iraq is that the American people were lied to about both wars. Another thing that is similar is that Bill Kristol did not serve in Vietnam or Iraq in fact Bill Kristol has and will probably never put his ass on the line for the war of choice that he helped start and either will any of his family members.
Bill Kristol likes to watch the blood running from the sidelines all the while smirking.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/…..6tnyms.asp
Bill Kristol: did not serve.
Hugh at 213
We laugh here at Larry Craig because he a closeted gay who is a hypocritical repub.
The focus, IMO, should be on accepting individuals for their ideas.
neurophius @ 221
I was torn between posting about Craig and wondering about what Dubya would do without his firewall *or* the guy who made him look like a manly man instead of a blithering idiot.
Maybe I’ll post it at my place…
neurophius @ 222
Only a temporary occultation. Tho i would hardly rate either as a heavenly body.
The Toddler Prez, in a clip on Olbermann, is once again making threats aimed at Iran. I think there’s going to be action on Iran before this nit-wit president leaves office.
SnarKassandra @ 102
Late to the thread but wanted to jump in with this:
Cassie, there’s a book titled Eyewitness To History that you just might enjoy. It first came out in the ’80s although may have been updated since. It was edited by a couple of Brits so has their perspective but what they did was go back as far into history as they could and pulled the actual eyewitness accounts of various historical events. Most of the early stories are humans dealing with nature but later stories have a lot of Man’s inhumanity towards other men. Stories range from half a page to about twenty pages. Among them are:
The Death of Socrates by Plato,
The Eruption of Mt Vesuvius by Pliny the Younger
The Story of the Black Hole of Calcutta
The Charge of the Light Brigade
A Slave Auction in VA
The Freeing of a Concentration Camp
And many many more. Fascinating reading.
TexBetsy,
I don’t want to alarm you, but she also discussed this a bit during late night the other night.
It’s more important that she knows how to be skeptical of people who approach her. That’s something that will be valuable throughout her life.
TJ @ 231
Last night was just the ABABC schedule, which is not a problem IMO. But thanks to all who expressed concern.
Heh, KO: “…the non-Petraeus, betray-us report…!!!” 8-)
Kathleen @ 223
I think Bill Kristol was about thirteen years old when the war ended in 1975, and was barely overage in 1991 (and was working as Dan Quayle’s chief of staff at the time). Nevertheless, he’s treated as one of those experts about something of which he knows nothing. Kristol is just a cheerleader for mayhem, not an expert….
Hello, everyone!
Look what has happenned to Norman Finkelstein. Not only was he denied tenure at DePaul,now his last class has been canceled. This is what happens to folks who speak out about the radical side of the Israeli lobby.
At JTA
Finkelstein threatens civil disobedience 08/28/2007
Controversial teacher Norman Finkelstein said he may commit civil disobedience after his one remaining class at DePaul University was canceled.
Finkelstein, who was denied tenure in June after Harvard Professor Alan Dershowitz waged a public battle against him, was supposed to be allowed to teach for the remaining year on his contract. On Friday, the university e-mailed students to announce that Finkelstein’s last class had been canceled, The Associated Press reported.
“I intend to go to my office on the first day of classes and, if my way is barred, to engage in civil disobedience,” Finkelstein told the Chicago Tribune. “If arrested, I’ll go on a hunger strike. If released, I’ll do it all over again. I’ll fast in jail for as long as it takes.”
Finkelstein, the son of Holocaust survivors, has argued that some Jews have exploited the legacy of the Holocaust. He has also emerged as a vocal critic of Israeli policies. His work has led to a long-running feud with Dershowitz, who waged an ultimately successful campaign to deny Finkelstein tenure. The university denied that Dershowitz had an impact on its decision.
Hugh @ 197
I thought that was gonna be punaise’s line!
Bob in HI
Kathleen @ 234
Mr. Finklestein is clearly anti-Semitic.
Bush may have indeed created an empire. A Persian empire.
anyone listen to edwards on the union vidcast?
I think he did extremely well, speaking as an old union Teamster who has walked the picket line and seen a guy killed by a scab driving a tractor trailer through the line.
Fucking UPS.
Edwards seemed very sincere, knowledgeable and I like his health care ideas.
Also liked the part where he said strikes would be coming back to America. I don;t know how he’s gonna get the Taft-Hartley Act repealed in any congress we’ve had recently, but I like his spunk.
David Ehrenstein @ 39
I was wondering what you’d have to say about this, David. ;-)
Welcome PW!
montag @ 233
Wrong …Bill Kristol was 25 in 1973 plenty old enough to serve his country in uniform, he was born in 1952
Kathleen @ 236
Got a link, Kathleen?
Kirk
KO played the audio from a taped interview referred to in the Idaho Statesman article. the guy who wrote the article taped the guy who was solicited by Craig in Union Station in DC. He must have allowed MSNBC to run the audio.
The voice was disguised.
Claims they tried twice to do the job but too may people around. Had to quit early.
Sorry 23
Anyone see this anywhere?
Study confirms 2006 human-human spread of bird flu (Reuters)
Chickens are kept in a barn before being sent to a local market, in central Jakarta, Indonesia July 20, 2006. A mathematical analysis has confirmed that H5N1 avian influenza spread from person to person in Indonesia in April, U.S. researchers reported on Tuesday. (Supri/Reuters)Reuters – A mathematical analysis has confirmed that H5N1 avian influenza spread from person to person in Indonesia in April, U.S. researchers reported on Tuesday.
leinie @ 13
Coolness! Sali’s so nuts he scares even Idaho GOP leaders.
Phoenix Woman @ 243
go to JTA Breaking news. You can read their full articles by scrolling down and entering without registering.
Sorry in 1975 Bill Kristol was 23
Maggie @ 244
Wow!
Thank you, Maggie.
Thank you, KO.
KO: Jonathan Turley on Gonzo coming up.
Wait ’til Bibi gets back as PM of Israel. This man is nuts.
TexBetsy @ 246
Hmmm…is that Bush’s US researchers or real science researchers, do they name the source?…they are in “terra” mode right now.
Interesting concerns about surveillance
http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iow…..sjcpa.html
TexBetsy @ 242
Ms Betsy,
Please see my #230 (or thereabouts) for some suggested reading for Cassie…And yourself as far as that goes.
Interstate highway rest stop photo from the Idaho Department of Public Works.
Kathleen @ 241
Ah, my mistake (brain farts happen). But, who cares? He’s a neo-con, and their behavior is predictable. What isn’t acceptable is the intolerable desire of these people to inflict harm. I don’t care if they didn’t serve. I do care that they’re warmongers in spite of it. *sigh*
Kathleen @ 243
OK, I’m not a math major, but being born in 1952 makes him 21 in 1973, still old enough to have been in Vietnam…I was there when I was 19, so good old Bill could have enlisted in 1971 and since most ground forces left in 1972 he would have escaped the horrors.
The bottom line is that he and the rest of his kind, then and now, rah rah rah for the war as long as it isn’t their asses on the line exposed to danger and that is now and has always been my problem with these bastards.
Even that fucking wimp George H W Bush was involved in combat during WWII yet his spawn are all lily livered little shits.
Kathleen at 236
Alan Dershowitz is a very evil, very smart, fuck in my opinion.
Jesus. He weighed in for O.J.
More important: He’s a promoter of the very worst aspects of Israel.
He’s really intelligent, but long-term he’s really stupid. History will write him off.
He seems not to care. Which says something about his intellect.
bobschacht @ 237
There’s always a line in the bathroom, just when you need it the most.
montag @ 257
Having been born in ‘52 my ownself, I think Billy would have been 21 in ‘73 as I was.
But yeah, he could have served at anytime around there. As I did when I enlisted in ‘76.
iHeartFoulMouthedFemBloggers @ 256
I like the wide-stance entrance…!!!
CTuttle @ 262
Notice the kid’s bike, LOL!
james @ 256
I’m sure he was much more valuable to the war effort in the College Republicans… or whatever the fuck he was doing.
Sunnis sceptical about Iraq deal
http://english.aljazeera.net/N…..A814C6.htm
1 million Iraqi’s dead, thousands injured, 4 million displaced. The Iraqi people are sure not safer now that Saddam is gone.
iHeartFoulMouthedFemBloggers @ 256
hilarious photo, and JUST the beginning for Larry NOT GAY Craig!
OK, so who’s gonna use “stool pigeon”?
I love pork chops. Am I anti-semetic or anti-Muslim?
punaise @ 265
Not me, I’m pretty regular.
Eli @ 238
Eli, I hope you’re kidding.
AAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH
KO: rumor that Joe Lieberman may be appointed Attorney General…
james @ 268
Well, yeah.
Oh, God, Lieberman being swirled about for AG.
Here’s Turley.
very little reason for dems to confirm an AG while questions/subpoeneas are out there.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 268
Both!
neurophius @ 271
I don’t see it. He’s gonna give up all that senior Senatorial juice for a short-term and controversial tenure as AG for Presidunce Dim Son? What’s the upside?
neurophius @ 271
Wonder what part Mr. Lieberman will play in a Clinton Administration?
is bushie boy going to pick a real lawyer?
Jonathan @ 259
I agree Alan Dershowitz is dangerous for Israel. Although when I have listened to him on several occasions I find I agree with him on a few things…very few. Cholmsky, Finklestein, Moredechai Vanunu some of my heroes.
Norman has really taken a beating for his stance, and still marches forward. I have a great deal of respect for him. Great interviews with him at Democracy Now.
neurophius @ 271
That would certainly help Jane figure out what to post about for the next few months.
iHeartFoulMouthedFemBloggers
iHeartFoulMouthedFemBloggers @ 273
I think it’s too good to be true, actually – I would *love* to not be stuck with that asshole until 2013.
punaise @ 265
Uh, I think you just did. :)
But, what we really need to know is if Craig talked to his wife about this when it happened. Did he inform her?
Maggie @ 275
Like Fred Fielding?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 266
Pro-porker?
punaise @ 280
nom de guerre, LOL!
iHeartFoulMouthedFemBloggers @ 275
Yeah,you’re right. Joey isn’t likely to take a “short ride” to the dustbin of history.
Peterr @ 279
my inherent contempt for Joe Lieberman will never subside.
A real lawyer would tell him…dude, you’re going to jail!
evening pups – and the craig puns are still rolling oh i am soooo loving every bit….
TexBetsy @ 274
Yes. And if I’m anti-Sem*tic that means I’m anti-Palestinian AND anti-Jewish. Since I believe they are both Sem*tic peoples.
Eli @ 283
The Senate might have a few objections…!!!
If JoeLie is appointed AG, isn’t he immediately in the middle of some contempt problems? i.e., doesn’t the Justice Dept still owe some documents to a few committees?
TexBetsy @ 274
TexBetsy @ 274
Pork chops with roasted sweet potatoes and fresh apple sauce.
jayt @ 292
I think that is what Turley was saying.
Peterr @ 279
I think I may have started that rumor.
jayt @ 290
Actually, that would be hysterically funny–Joltin’ Joe stonewalling the Judiciary Committee on Bush’s behalf would finally nail him to a cross of his own making.
montag @ 282
He said he told nobody, but, don’t know if that means his wife. Don’t know if he considers her nobody.
PS. Idaho gov is a rep. in case anyone was wondering.
The map lady gets a mulligan on KO coming up. Her first answer was totally incomprehensible. Maybe someone has written something down for her, which she will read.
leinie @ 13
The MSM is all chanting “Idaho is a red, red state, so they’ll for certain elect a Republican.”
LS @ 292
Joe’ll use his secret weapon, and accuse the oversight committees of being uncivil.
Eli @ 281
Nightmare…AG HoJo
joe liarman AG? nahhhhh he’s enjoying sticking it to the dems….a d when the dems win the WH he may switch parties as if he isn’t a repug w/o the label already
jayt @ 292
I think AGAG’s resignation was a deliberate stalling tactic for that very reason…!!! Run out that clock… *tick* *tock*!!! 8-(
Maggie @ 295
Umm, actually I was just setting up a pun…. :)
Apparently, not a very good one. :)
Jane Hamsher @ 293
So my question is will they issue him fresh kneepads or will he bring his own?
Un oh, she had a Tommy Thompson moment…didn’t hear the question.
Jonathan @ 26
Oh, Jonathan, my daughter’s a senior at NYU!!!
Hugh @ 302
Given his stature, he’d have to borrow Gonzales’. They have lifts in them.
It would be really satisfying to hear Joe whining about why Bush has dictatorial powers.. sitting down in that well and facing his colleagues…popcorn…defending torture, the Republican politicization of the DOJ, oh yeah…
Jane Hamsher @ 295
I love the power of rumor.
Reality:
Bush is going to keep eveyone guessing to keep the focus off Iraq.
Then nominate someone who will generate discussion, also to keep the focus off of Iraq.
There’s a game plan here.
Need to think like shrub and his advisers, as repugnant as that may be.
Where’s eCAHN?
Jane Hamsher @ 295
Always planning ahead . . . another reason why we love you!
james @ 307
I love a woman with a good sense of rumor.
He apologized for not being gay.
I’m pretty sure this will stay in the papers until he hands in his resignation.
LS @ 294
oops – gotta quit pausing the DVR.
TB, this is quite real – and not even new.
Human-to-human transmission of H5N1 was confirmed last year.
Just a matter of time until the virus mutates to pandemic spread.
(The Bushies may blow fear bubbles around the biology, but that doesn’t change the biology.)
LS @ 252
Jane has a bout of rumortism..)
monntag
sorry — reading fast as I live blog KO for those who don’t get him on their teevee.
John Gibson worst person in the world.
Appt. Fixed news showed Craig without any party designation, just from ID.
Juiciani (as we call him here at home) got the bronze.
GeorgeSimian @ 311
I wish. I predict this story is over by the end of the week. Unless Craig keeps feeding it.
Would they really be this stupid?
This group is that arrogant and crazed..
Iran in the plans
http://rawstory.com//news/2007….._0828.html
Mauimom @ 306
I used to work at NYU (1979-1981).
Great school in many areas.
Hope your daughter is enjoying NYC.
Eli @ 318
Yes.
Eli @ 318
Given his performance today, I’d bet on him feeding it.
Jonathan @ 318
I was in an NYU student film when I was a kid – from about 7 to 12 (don’t ask)…
neurophius @ 271
They’ll roll the DOJ into Fatherland Security, call it the Ministry of Freedom, and put Cheney in charge.
I’d like to say that just because you’re gay doesn’t make you a sick and twisted person. You have to be gay and Republican and make sure that you’re not just being gay, but doing something wierd like soliciting sex in an airport bathroom. And then say you’re not gay. And then apologize for doing that even though you’re not gay.
And you should make sure you wife puts her dentures in before the press conference.
Peterr @ 320
Someone should tell him that rule about what do do when you’re in a hole…
Oops.
Jonathan @ 310
If Bush wants to use the AG nomination as a distration, what better way than to nominate Fred Thompson?
Eureka Springs @ 315
auge! that sounds painful
Peterr @ 322
Trough or Consequences.
Eli @ 318
Why? I love this story. It’s better than the Mark Foley story, which had child victims. Republicans are all sick and twisted perverts. It’s awesome.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/grigg/grigg-w31.html
Jonas Phillips is the third resident of Asheville, North Carolina to be arrested in recent weeks for displaying a pro-impeachment sign.
Unlike Mark and Deborah Kuhn, who were targeted for official abuse because of a display erected on their own property, Phillips was arrested for “freeway blogging” – that is, displaying a sign on an overpass spanning the interstate near his workplace.
While different considerations apply to protests on “public” property, it’s significant that Asheville authorities are finding it difficult to identify a specific offense with which to charge Phillips. That difficulty is symptomatic of institutional dishonesty: The Asheville Police Department can’t afford to admit that it arrested Phillips because of the content of his sign, rather than because of some danger he protest posed to the public.
Last Wednesday (August 15), Phillips was “standing alone with my [Impeach Bush-Cheney] sign for about 10 minutes, when I was approached by Police Officer Russell Crisp,” he recounted. “He asked me how long I was planning to stay there and I told him just a few more minutes because I had to go to work at 8:00. He asked for my ID and I obliged. I asked him if I was doing something wrong, and he said that his Sergeant was on the way and he was going to wait for him. So, I went back to my sign holding over the interstate.”
If Phillips had been obstructing pedestrians, or imperiling motorists, Officer Crisp could have addressed the problem by warning the cooperative protester to leave. He didn’t issue such a warning.
GeorgeSimian @ 328
Which is precisely why I predict the media will lose interest in it very quickly.
It would be nice to see Craig asked if recent events have changed his views on gay marriage or the hate crimes bill, both of which he opposed. Also might ask him if he thinks sex in public restrooms should be decriminalized.
Eli @ 324
Fortunately for us, `pugs almost always say, “hand me the shovel with the longer handle.”
given the extent to which GWB seemed genuinely pissed off the other morning re Abu’s resignation, I’m thinking he goes balls-to-the-wall petulant – maybe throwing out David Addington….
kirk murphy @ 315
Kirk, I’m concerned that all the hype over this is going to be the spark Bush uses for quarantine at the drop of a pinfeather, so to speak.
Michael Greger has written a good book for people to understand the mechanics of the virus:
Bird Flu.
I’m worried that with all the work to develop a vaccine, the culturing of the virus will lead to it gathering enough info during the process so taht a zoonotic jump will be all but inevitable and it will have a headstart in virulence because of all the antibiotics that farm birds are fed.
What I’m saying is that the virus will have had a chance to recognize various bits of DNA from the birds that have been affected by antibiotics and it will make that virus’s job much easier.
Eli @ 323
7 – 12?
I sort of get it.
New York was (not is) that sort of place.
Today: too little diversity. too many hedge fund managers. too little character.
Aargh, it’s 3-2 Yanks in da Bronx, top of the Sixth! C’mon Cardiac Sox!!! 8-(
jayt @ 333
I already made my prediction…
I have to admit, I didn’t know about airport bathrooms. Is that common? Do gay Republicans always solicit sex in those?
BREAKING: He’s still not gay!
shorter craig – your stall or mine? ok ok i cant help it lol
Well gang, I’m going to be writing an op-ed on Craig for the L.A. Times.
Stay tuned.
Jane is a rumormonger. Let’s pile on. Word I have is that the only way he will accept that deal is if the Sith Lord has ticker problems with his non-specific muscle spasms where most people have a heart. This will allow slo-mo-joe to step up with great sacrifice to his country and bring comity to the whitehouse as Vice-President.
A deal may be struck with the Republican primary winner to adopt the (cough-cough) centrist Lieberman as a marketing tool kubayaa ticket ointment to soothe the aches and grease the wheels of fascist…what is that word…homogeny.
Eli @ 332
You might be right. What is Vitter doing these days?
Jonathan @ 335
He kept claiming that the sound got messed up, and bringing me and my “co-star” back to re-dub everything. It ended up being a film with 7-year-old kids with mostly 12-year-old voices, which is what I kinda suspect he had planned all along…
ccmask @ 341
of course not! none of them are.
Hugh @ 343
Nothing worth reporting, apparently.
David Ehrenstein @ 343
That should be fun.
OK, here is some irony for me:
Throughout KKKarl Rove’s tenure as a political consultant, he has used repeatedly the tactic of whisper campaigns about opponents being gay or close to gay people.
And what is one of things doing a lot of damage to the republican brand when he has been at the height of his career? Revelations of homosexuality.
It is both the chickens coming home to roost and poetic justice at the same time.
Speaking of chickens, Kirk, it is just so distressing to contemplate the implications of human to human spread of avian flu, because I know it will take out my 82-year-old mom and I can’t stand the thought of that.
I think one of the most hazardous jobs in the world is being married to a senator who is not gay.
kirk murphy @ 328
Only where directed.
TexBetsy @ 347
Minor edit, Ma’am!!!
Eli @ 346
Wow. You must have had some talent.
Bush threatens to confront Iran over alleged support for Iraqi insurgents
http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran…..14,00.html
Oilfieldguy @ 344
How’s that cabesa tonight?
Moz said it best–
“Punctured bicycle
On a hillside desolate
Could nature make a man of me yet?
Then in this charming car
This charming man
Why pamper life’s complexities
When the leather runs smooth
On the passenger seat?
I would go out tonight
But I haven’t got a stitch to wear
This man said “it’s grusome
That someone so handsome should care”
A jumped-up pantry boy
Who never knew his place
He said “return the ring”
He knows so much about these things
He knows so much about these things
I would go out tonight
But I haven’t got a stitch to wear
This man said “it’s grusome
That someone so handsome should care”
La, la-la, la-la, la-la, this charming man …
La, la-la, la-la, la-la, this charming man …
A jumped-up pantry boy
Who never knew his place
He said “return the ring”
He knows so much about these things
He knows so much about these things”
Most folks I work with are Republicans. This is why I openly and notoriously eat peanuts.
Jonathan @ 352
Just a lot of patience. Plus he got me into an SNL commercial, and a sushi-eating contest… And the cafeteria of a psychiatric hospital on Roosevelt Island, which is every bit as cheery as it sounds.
James, I believe the Bushies will use any fearful threat to increase their hold on power.
With respect to resistance – the farm birds are fed antibiotics that act against non-viral critters (bacteria, amoebae, parasites, and the like).
The vast majority of “antibiotics” don’t kill viruses (which is why getting antibiotics for “colds” – caused by viruses – usually is worthless at best).
So I’m not concerned about antibiotics in current ag usage increasing H5N1 virulence.
(Unless tamiflu is used in ag – that would be crazy, but I think tamiflu is still too expensive for ag).
I’m really concerned about antibiotic use in ag because it causes resistance to the antibiotics we humans already use.
ON the other hand, Ihaven’t read Greger’s book, so maybe I’m completely ignorant here.
Wouldn’t be the first time.
Maggie @ 348
Worked pretty well in the last days of the Bush campaign against Ann Richards….
c’mon upstairs with Eli
ccmask @ 341
He might not be an AX MURDERER either but I don’t think that’s what’s been alleged ; )
raven,
doesn’t hurt unless you look at it.
Eli @ 359
Eli,
You sound pretty weird.
Please take that as a compliment.
Oilfieldguy @ 358
Mix’em in with their Jelly-Beans, sweet and salty!!! ;-)
Eli @ 339
Newt ain’t an attorney (not that being one helped Gonzo).
Hugh @ 345
just singing in the rain…
Oklahoma kiddo @ 355
Because he hasn’t gotten us into enough unnecessary unwinnable wars.
Jonathan @ 365
Heh. I usually do.
james @ 367
Like Dubya would care. I think “In your FACE, Dems!” is going to be his #1 selection criterion.
kirk murphy @ 360
I just get nervous when I hear things like they’re trying to get the genome for the pandemic 1918 strain at Ft. Detrick, or there was a researcher who wanted to look at the smallpox samples that were left, and then there’s the researcher at the Universoty of Texas who gets some anthrax spores on him, the Ames strain, even though that strain was supposedly destroyed after the “attacks” on congress (the dems only) in 2001.
When we try sequencing a virus that has been untouched for many years and against which the majority of the population isn’t vaccinated, I start worrying.
I remember the flu scare of 1978 where the vaccine killed more people than the illness itself. I just don;t trust the government to do what’s in my best interest, isn’t that a friggin shame?
eli@370:
I’ve spoken at AA meetings at that psych hospital. Like a walk back in time, literally.
CTuttle @ 338
Yanks vs. Sox tonight? Nail-biting time. [I’m a Sox fan since 1969.]
Jonathan @ 320:
She loves NYC. She’s in Gallatin, concentrating on “Developing Countries.” Spent 6 months in Ghana last year.
Now lives in Williamsburg. [That dreadful Manhattan real estate market.]
David Ehrenstein @ 343
Gee haw. Let us know & provide us with a link when it’s up.
punaise @ 30
Yeah, me too…
(late to the thread, as usual…)
bwahahahahahaha!
james @ 16
Fantastic point. From now on we should always say there can’t be any union blamed for asking too much as long as there is a hedge fund manager makin’ a billion bucks a year.
GSD @ 21
I wonder if they do good harmony, not that there’s anything wrong with that.
I hear John Ashcroft is looking for a few good back up singers — they’d be called St. John and the Sinners.
SnarKassandra @ 60
Well, you might consider something about how the Europeans are considering regulating American companies which rate home mortgage loans. They’re basically saying we’re selling junk the same way Chinese are selling lead filled paint on toys. They’re saying it has to be internationally regulated and hinting they might not buy ANY if it’s not regulated.
Could you imagine the outrage if Europeans stopped buying our junk mortgage loans?
What if a big part of the whole mortgage loan scam was to dump ‘em abroad as well as here in America, to spread the depressing losses?
Search (google, yahoo, etc.) for German banks, American mortgages.
It’s a fascinating story in the making and will probably be completely ignored by American media until it’s all over.