Okay then.
What the hell? Am I first?

Hi Jane

Oh yes he is.

That never happens. There’s been some sort of dreadful screw-up.

Oh, and senator…yes you are.

oh, but ya are gay, Blanche!

Ah, hell, do we have to repeat it over and over for the goopers: “it’s not the crime, it’s the cover-up.”

And denial is once again more than just a river.

Just because a person plays footsies with another person in the next stall in a public restroom, while reaching into that stall with his groping fingers, doesn’t mean he’s gay.

This is one of the silliest fuckin story I’ve heard lately..There were two months between his arrest and the hearing where he pled guilty. He says that he should have talked to a lawyer—well there’s a thought- he had two months to do it. Too cheap?

If it walks lika, sounds lika, acts lika, it’sa (GOP)

A mean newspaper made me plead guilty more than a month after my arrest in a men’s airport bathroom. Mmmmmmhmmmmm. A judge is totally gonna buy that one…

But he’s NOT GAY. And that’s the important thing.

That awful newspaper drove me to same-sex fellatio! I’m not gay! I’m persecuted! By that dang newspaper! The newspaper is gay! Not me!

There’s a lot of gay men who say they aren’t gay and they say that in between giving blow jobs to other men.

Oddly Craig doesn’t seem to appreciate that the issue in not his sexual preference. It’s the fact he was caught in a public bathroom attempting to solicit sex. Which incidentally, Mr. Craig, is a crime.

Stick a fork in Craig. He’s done.

Mrs. Garrison was the undercover cop????

Christy Hardin Smith @ 10

A mean newspaper made me plead guilty more than a month after my arrest in a men’s airport bathroom. Mmmmmmhmmmmm. A judge is totally gonna buy that one…

But he’s NOT GAY. And that’s the important thing.

Yes Christy, I think you have isolated the most salient fact. He is NOT GAY. The rest of it is just details.

I just assume all GOP senators are gay. That way I’m not surprised when one of them approaches me in a public restroom.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 13

Oddly Craig doesn’t seem to appreciate that the issue in not his sexual preference. It’s the fact he was caught in a public bathroom attempting to solicit sex. Which incidentally, Mr. Craig, is a crime.

and I’m glad it is, there’s nothing more unnerving than having to send a young boy into the men’s room while I have to wait outside.

Blah blah blah not gay blah blah.

Millineryman @ 12

There’s a lot of gay men who say they aren’t gay and they say that in between giving blow jobs to other men.

Yep, so much so that the standard question on health screenings asks about sexual contact with other men, not orientation. Sadly, I doubt he’d be willing to answer that question.

Hi Cleter. New tradition at the Lake I heard. You as the Zed person are supposed to come down and get the kids in the basement! :-)

I believe him when he says he is not gay. I hope he isn’t gay. I surmise from the children that he is bisexual at most and probably only has a fetish for “nasty bad boy behavior” it just happens that most of the people in the public toilets where he goes to have sex happen to be men,, but that might not be his choice based on desire but instead on expediency.

“I am NOT a crook!”

“I am NOT gay!”

Now, I’m waiting for “Ah’m NOT a carpetbaggin’ moron with a vicious, mean streak!”

Christy Hardin Smith @ 10

A mean newspaper made me plead guilty more than a month after my arrest in a men’s airport bathroom. Mmmmmmhmmmmm. A judge is totally gonna buy that one…

But he’s NOT GAY. And that’s the important thing.

EPU’d, but right on target . . .

I was out running errands, flipping through radio stations (still haven’t figured them out yet since moving), when I heard Craig start his press conference. Heard the first couple of minutes, then ran into the grocery store to get some stuff for dinner. When I came out, I caught the very end, and then heard the dulcet tones of Sean Hannity.

He had cut away from his radio show to catch the presser, and afterwards he gave more context by reading much of the Idaho newspaper article to his audience. I ran into another store, to pick up some other stuff, and came back as Sean was talking with a cop about anonymous sex at rest stops and such. Sean seemed genuinely surprised at whole thing. He cut to commercial, and then came back right before the top of the hour to close things out by saying essentially “I’m sorry, Senator. . . You say it is a misunderstanding, a plot, etc. but there’s something here that just doesn’t fit. Sorry, Senator.”

It’s a good thing I was stopped at a stoplight, or I’d have run off the road.

If Hannity’s not buying it, neither will the judge.

damn. can’t get the renactment utube on crooks&liars to play. Pictures worth a thousand words and all that.

Taboo in society leads to repression due to fear. Fear of being ostracized from society leads to suppression of who you are. Fear of exposure to who you are leads to social contraction of yourself and sometimes domination of others. It is really sad.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 13

Oddly Craig doesn’t seem to appreciate that the issue in not his sexual preference. It’s the fact he was caught in a public bathroom attempting to solicit sex. Which incidentally, Mr. Craig, is a crime.

Oh, but he already explained that his touching another guy’s foot and reaching under the stall partition was just misunderstood, so he wasn’t really doing what he pleaded guilty to. (And he’s NOT GAY, either.)

Didn’t Lyndon Johnson have something to say about making the poor bastard deny it?

Whether or not it was true.

Steve Talbert @ 22

I believe him when he says he is not gay. I hope he isn’t gay. I surmise from the children that he is bisexual at most and probably only has a fetish for “nasty bad boy behavior” it just happens that most of the people in the public toilets where he goes to have sex happen to be men,, but that might not be his choice based on desire but instead on expediency.

I may be wrong but I think those kids are hers, not his.

I still don’t get the wide stance.
I’ve been practicng today different stances. And wasn’t this in a stall, like where you sit down?
I think I’d like to see a picture of the crime scene, I mean, were there gloryholes in the stall or was it just the teenie, narrow space between the door and the wall that ws supposed to suffice?

I’m having trouble visualizing the whole thing.

Well, not the whole thing

New song.. Gay Boise

Come on. If I did a wide stance tippy toe in the ladies room at the airport and I was told I was under arrest, the last thing I would do would be to admit my guilt, if I WAS NOT gay.

I swear, the only thing really, really, really pissing off the neocons is because of his wide stance on the Imigration Bill.

Whatever he is, he’s not honest and that’s not a qualification for people who hold elected office.

ooh he’s gay

james @ 30

I still don’t get the wide stance.

It’s an anal retentive thing….

Steve Talbert @ 22

I believe him when he says he is not gay. I hope he isn’t gay. I surmise from the children that he is bisexual at most and probably only has a fetish for “nasty bad boy behavior” it just happens that most of the people in the public toilets where he goes to have sex happen to be men,, but that might not be his choice based on desire but instead on expediency.

I always thought that’s why god gave me hands.

And notice how bothered he was by the train station investigation that was never published.

What’s behind the right’s different response to David Vitter’s call girls and Larry Craig’s boy trouble? In a nutshell, the boys.

As the old expression goes, you are what you eat. And that imagery, apparently, is behind the growing conservative chorus calling for Craig’s resignation.

For the details, see:
“Behind the Right’s Double Standard on Craig and Vitter.”

The Truth Hurts @ 14

Stick a fork in Craig. He’s done.

perris @ 173 (previous thread)

the gop is trying to get craig to resign and hanity carries their water

they are throwing him to the dogs and hannity is one of their dogs

it’s cur-tains for Craig

Question folks - is the issue that Craig allegedly solicited sex — or that he solicited sex and money was involved? The last time I looked, sex between consenting adults is legal (or in the state of Minnesota, do we have something different?), but it’s the issue of sex for money that is where things go off the rails. Or, am I off here?

I am however pansexual

rwcole @ 8

This is one of the silliest fuckin story I’ve heard lately..There were two months between his arrest and the hearing where he pled guilty. He says that he should have talked to a lawyer—well there’s a thought- he had two months to do it. Too cheap?

Not too cheap. Because he is gay.

You know it is sad that people still feel that have to remain hidden, in the closet. At this point though, this guy has got to see that it’s not his sexual orientation, but all the lies about it that look really bad.

I think Senator Craig is being maligned.

I think he deserves a leadership award.

What a pack of pathetic men.

Look at this list.

Mayor Jim West.

Congressman Ed Schrock.

Congressman Mark Foley.

Pastor Ted Haggard.

State Sen. Bob Allen.

Indiana GOoP-er Glenn Murphy.

Whitehouse guest Jeff Gannon.

Sen. Larry Graig.

GOP man of the hour, Cpl. Matt Sanchez.

-GSD

This AM the GF got to the blogs before I did..”Craig resigned” I felt ill..he and Gonzo were the best thing that we had going…fortunately it was only from the Rommney Campaign.

Elliott @ 29
I may be wrong but I think those kids are hers, not his.

OOO. He MIGHT be gay, then.. But I think it is wrong to make people choose, since it isn’t a choice as if since he can’t seem to choose for himself then WE will choose for him. He has sex with guys.. who really cares if he is gay or not?

Steve Talbert @ 22

I believe him when he says he is not gay. I hope he isn’t gay. I surmise from the children that he is bisexual at most and probably only has a fetish for “nasty bad boy behavior” it just happens that most of the people in the public toilets where he goes to have sex happen to be men,, but that might not be his choice based on desire but instead on expediency.

Actually, the children are apparently his wife’s from a previous marriage, not his.

The newspaper made do it.

The personals made me do it.

Sen. Craig said that he maintains a wide stance when teeing up to the glory hole.

OK. He didn’t say that.

-GSD

Steve Talbert @ 45

who really cares if he is gay or not?

Many of his manly men and women constituents….

I believe him when he says he is not gay. I hope he isn’t gay. I surmise from the children that he is bisexual at most and probably only has a fetish for “nasty bad boy behavior” it just happens that most of the people in the public toilets where he goes to have sex happen to be men,, but that might not be his choice based on desire but instead on expediency.

I don’t buy that. Why is he going to public toilets to have sex? He is married, right? So, family values? What happened to those?

Toby Wollin @ 40

Question folks - is the issue that Craig allegedly solicited sex — or that he solicited sex and money was involved? The last time I looked, sex between consenting adults is legal (or in the state of Minnesota, do we have something different?), but it’s the issue of sex for money that is where things go off the rails. Or, am I off here?

You’re off. Sex in a public place is Lewd Conduct legally in most places

it’s not the gay; it’s the hypocrisy

I’ve never been to the Minneapolis airport. Are it’s men’s rooms especially romantic?

Toby Wollin @ 40

Question folks - is the issue that Craig allegedly solicited sex — or that he solicited sex and money was involved? The last time I looked, sex between consenting adults is legal (or in the state of Minnesota, do we have something different?), but it’s the issue of sex for money that is where things go off the rails. Or, am I off here?

Most jurisdictions have a real problem with sex in public whether it’s man/woman, woman/woman/ santorum man/dog/ man/man, whatever.

I don’t think there was even a mention of money as in soicitation. The charge was disorderly conduct which is nuisance behavior.

Steve Talbert @ 45

Elliott @ 29
I may be wrong but I think those kids are hers, not his.

OOO. He MIGHT be gay, then.. But I think it is wrong to make people choose, since it isn’t a choice as if since he can’t seem to choose for himself then WE will choose for him. He has sex with guys.. who really cares if he is gay or not?

you’re right, it’s the HYPOCRISY, in his job. And at home, imagine if his wife had no idea he was gay and thought she was marrying someone who wanted her? That’s a really crummy thing to do to someone else, don’t you think?

OK got the video at c&l to work-this is two news guys acting out what happened- if you are confused at all, chk it out.

And James-
you crack me up-thanks!

GSD @ 43

I think Senator Craig is being maligned.

I think he deserves a leadership award.

What a pack of pathetic men.

Look at this list.

Mayor Jim West.

Congressman Ed Schrock.

Congressman Mark Foley.

Pastor Ted Haggard.

State Sen. Bob Allen.

Indiana GOoP-er Glenn Murphy.

Whitehouse guest Jeff Gannon.

Sen. Larry Graig.

GOP man of the hour, Cpl. Matt Sanchez.

-GSD

David Vitter

Ok, OK, Ok, he’s NOT Gay, we hear ya Senator … but, are you witty and pretty?

And as for that “wide stance”, a commenter over at TBogg had the quote of the day … “Not just a wide stance, but with one hand on the floor. Like a linebacker.”

These frequent episodes involving Republican leaders, congressmen, Senators and staffers really does lead one to believe that if you hear a male Republican backing legislation that in any way demonizes gays and lesbians, you can then surmise said male Republican is gay, gayer than Nathan Lane on Gay Pride day, gayer than Reverend Haggard after … well, you get the idea.

Once we clear all that up, we can turn to our now former Republican man, give him a hug and a kiss and welcome him back into humanity.

Elliott @ 18

Oklahoma kiddo @ 13

Oddly Craig doesn’t seem to appreciate that the issue in not his sexual preference. It’s the fact he was caught in a public bathroom attempting to solicit sex. Which incidentally, Mr. Craig, is a crime.

and I’m glad it is, there’s nothing more unnerving than having to send a young boy into the men’s room while I have to wait outside.

Elliott - I’m shocked!

Hanging out with a young boy near the public restrooms seems a bit dodgy in any case, don’t you think?

/s

Of course he’s not gay. As Roy Cohn said in Angels in America, gays are those people who march and struggle for equal rights.

Scene: US Senate “Members Only” Mens Room.

Enter SENATOR CRAIG, looking for an empty stall. Door one is closed, with two feet showing beneath the door, and the same is true of door three. Craig opens door two, enters, and closes the door behind him.

Immediately, the feet behind doors one and three start tapping.

CRAIG (wailing): “Oh, c’mon! Give it a rest!”

CRAIG throws open the door, and runs out.

Door one opens to reveal SENATOR MITCH MCCONNELL, and door three opens to reveal SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM. Both are laughing hysterically.

What paper did he drop? Craig’s List?

Redshift @ 46

Steve Talbert @ 22

I believe him when he says he is not gay. I hope he isn’t gay. I surmise from the children that he is bisexual at most and probably only has a fetish for “nasty bad boy behavior” it just happens that most of the people in the public toilets where he goes to have sex happen to be men,, but that might not be his choice based on desire but instead on expediency.

Actually, the children are apparently his wife’s from a previous marriage, not his.

And I think they are living in Chicago..I think he married her about six months after he nearly got burned in the 1980’s page sex broo-haha.

OT - has anyone commented yet on the crawl I just saw on MSNBC?

“Inauguration Day 2009 Countdown: 511 Days”.

Oh great - Chris Hitchens vs. Bill Donahue on Hardballs - this could get good…

well im off to do some community action work back later - be swell fellow pups

kirk murphy @ 59

Elliott @ 18

and I’m glad it is, there’s nothing more unnerving than having to send a young boy into the men’s room while I have to wait outside.

Elliott - I’m shocked!

Hanging out with a young boy near the public restrooms seems a bit dodgy in any case, don’t you think?

/s

KIRK!

The Republican Party is now suffering the fruits of 30 years of demonizing gays and homosexuality.

They are collapsing under their own moral rot.

They have spent years pointing at motes.

I can’t tell you how many years of Barney Frank jokes I have heard from GOoPers.

They deserve every rotten epithet thrown at them for the misery and mean spiritedness they have brought into America.

-GSD

Hi Jane!

That poor, sad, man. I almost feel sorry for him. No, that’s not right. Part of me DOES feel sorry for him because he hates himself so much.

But then I think about what he and men like him have done to our nation over the past quarter century and I lose all sympathy for him. He is a hater. Just because he hates himself most of all doesn’t excuse his hatred, fear, and small-mindedness.

carolyn urban @ 50

I believe him when he says he is not gay. I hope he isn’t gay. I surmise from the children that he is bisexual at most and probably only has a fetish for “nasty bad boy behavior” it just happens that most of the people in the public toilets where he goes to have sex happen to be men,, but that might not be his choice based on desire but instead on expediency.

I don’t buy that. Why is he going to public toilets to have sex? He is married, right? So, family values? What happened to those?

he’s having sex in the toilets over there so they won’t come home and do it here.

or something like that.

Sharkbabe @ 60

Of course he’s not gay. As Roy Cohn said in Angels in America, gays are those people who march and struggle for equal rights.

Sure, like not being an alcoholic because those are the ones who go to meetings, right?

kirk murphy @ 48

The newspaper made do it.

The personals made me do it.

The newspaper that didn’t print the story made me do it cause now I knew they’d print the story.. Great logic.

So, if a guy is an anti-gay Republican, getting sex on the ‘down low’ is neither ‘gay’ nor hypocritical. Craig makes everyone see that closets are nasty places to stay.

Reminds me of Max Blumenthal’s visit to the College Republican Convention. The Young Republican with 3:07 to go in the video gives a very convincing account of why he is not gay.

I’m not gay, either. I’ve just been heterosexually-challenged all my life.

Did Wolf Blitzer really just say they’ll be analyzing the “psychology of split personalities” because that’s what some people are saying about Larry Craig?

Because what, it’s not possible that he might, you know, lie?

The following is a pretty interesting conversation at The Next Hurrah between me and one of the real treasures at TNH, Sara. Sara is a local in Minneapolis where the Craig incident occurred and was prosecuted:

Yea, I am sure Larry Craig had some local legal advice from someone in the Republican Bar — probably on a pro-bono basis so as to not make a financial record, but it takes time for Republican secrets to flow into DFL gossip, so we’ll just have to wait and see if the gossip crosses the aisle. But the Arrest was in June, and the court appearance in August — so there was plenty of time for Craig to get some behind the scenes consultation. Where I would look would be at Norm Coleman. Remember his now late father was caught in broad daylight getting it on with a prostitute in a car parked in a restaurant parking lot a few years back. I would imagine Coleman could have made a referral to a lawyer in the Republican mix who deals with such matters.

That particular restroom has been a spot known all over the country for quickie BJ’s for years. When they first put security in place after 9/11 it rather cramped the business. It was a place where young Johns could pick up some quick money when in need — but after security went up, they had to get jobs at the Airport in order to do any business — and the decision to set up a sting operation apparently had something to do with some sort of security issues. Anyhow Amy’s old office and the Airport Cops have pulled in lots of fine money over the last few years with the sting. People who are just changing planes really don’t necessarily know that what used to be a tolerated BJ spot no longer is precisely that. You would also think a US Senator would know that Airport Security is what it is these days. To get a safe BJ, one would need to leave a heavily secured area, and look for, for instance, one of our Dirty Book Stores. There are not many stings set up in those premises. We even have a nice new Light Rail at the airport that can quickly move a customer over to the Mall of America where such services are available.

Nonetheless, the implications of Airport Security are quite profound.

Posted by: Sara | August 28, 2007 at 16:22

Boo, yer totally right, Thanks so much for your analysis Sara, the post is August 24, Time For Serious Talk On Iraq
By Mimikatz

Praedor you need to read the comments from that post if you haven’t done so already. Yer a touch outta line.

Posted by: greenhouse | August 28, 2007 at 17:14

Sara - Just read your above immediately after watching Craig on the TeeVee explain how straight, pure, and mad at not having had consulted counsel he is. What you just said, plus my hunch about him really having had counsel of some sort, is pretty powerful circumstantial evidence. And for those of you out there reading this that say “Oh, its all circumstantial evidence”; please be advised that by far the vast majority of criminal convictions occurring in the United States come from circumstantial evidence. Bye bye Senator Craig.

Posted by: bmaz | August 28, 2007 at 17:22

Elliott @ 66

kirk murphy @ 59

Elliott - I’m shocked!

Hanging out with a young boy near the public restrooms seems a bit dodgy in any case, don’t you think?

/s

KIRK!

sorry - couldn’t resist - and for the record, my snarky comment was invented out of whole cloth

(not a cheap one-ply from the airport bathroom floor…

aka an Idaho keepsake)

Donahue already challenging Hitchens to “take it outside”. heh.

In case I was misunderstood. I think having sex or trying to have sex in a public toilet is disgusting…. it isn’t about if he is gay or not or a hypocrit or not. I think by focusing on the ‘gay’ part AND/OR the hypocrasy of his political stance - however wide or narrow - it makes it seem as if all gays have (or want to) have sex in public toilets… which is DEFINITELY NOT the case.

Elliott @ 66

kirk murphy @ 59

Elliott - I’m shocked!

Hanging out with a young boy near the public restrooms seems a bit dodgy in any case, don’t you think?

/s

KIRK!

I think I am missing something..I thought Elliot was talking about her son.

Heard on the net: Brokeback Bathroom

Jane Hamsher @ 75

Did Wolf Blitzer really just say they’ll be analyzing the “psychology of split personalities” because that’s what some people are saying about Larry Craig?

Because what, it’s not possible that he might, you know, lie?

Oh, like schizophrenics don’t have enough low self-esteem when they aren’t on their meds, now we’re gonna equate them with a self-hating man who likes an occasional c*ck in his mouth every now and them?

For some on the far right side of The Closet, there’s a blindness about gay sexuality that says “If it’s the other guy’s lips on me, then he’s gay but I’m not.”

Right.

Jane Hamsher @ 75

Did Wolf Blitzer really just say they’ll be analyzing the “psychology of split personalities” because that’s what some people are saying about Larry Craig?

Because what, it’s not possible that he might, you know, lie?

Typical Wolf….“some people are saying”

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

sangemon @ 68

Hi Jane!

That poor, sad, man. I almost feel sorry for him. No, that’s not right. Part of me DOES feel sorry for him because he hates himself so much.

But then I think about what he and men like him have done to our nation over the past quarter century and I lose all sympathy for him. He is a hater. Just because he hates himself most of all doesn’t excuse his hatred, fear, and small-mindedness.

Nah, this is about keeping his job and staying in power. His party spent decades beating up on gays and he helped them do it, not because he hates himself, but because he was ambitious.

He apparently does not believe getting a blow job from the same sex equates to him being gay. God it’s just a blow job it’s not sex.

As with anything else these perverted repugs deny, blame others, and lie their asses off when caught.
And this creep makes laws for the rest of society!

OOPs, this was the first part of the conversation that, for some reason did not copy with the latter portion above:

You can’t fly west of here on a direct flight except to Portland and Seattle, so this is the a place for making plane changes if your destination is N&S Dakota, Montana, and Idaho, Utah, and a few other places. If you want to go to London or Hong Kong from those places, well welcome to Minneapolis/St. Paul International Airport. We offer many services, including this small off the beaten track restroom for horney men. My own legislator wants to put a Casino in that waiting area to capture a little wagering money.

I just want to note something of interest. The former Hennepin County Prosecutor, who till last January would have dealt with this matter, is now Senator Amy Klobuchar. One wonders how they eye each other in the Senate Chamber. I think she set up the sting some months before she became a Senator.

Posted by: Sara | August 28, 2007 at 00:53

Sara - That last paragraph is absolutely rich. Is there any indication that state and/or local officials (Repub I would presume) worked with Craig to keep this quiet. I don’t know if you have seen this part yet, but he is now saying he was innocent and only pled guilty because he didn’t have an attorney; made a stupid mistake in pleading guilty and really regrets that he didn’t have a lawyer to help him.

There is not one chance in hell that he did this without the advice of an attorney. Just because they tried to slide it through a municipal or minor justice court of some kind without drawing attention to it and there was no counsel of record on the plea DOES NOT mean he did not consult an attorney. Take it to the bank that he consulted an attorney. This guy is not only a pervert, but like most far right wingnut Republicans, he is a complete lying sack of dung. I will wager about anything that he consulted a lawyer either there, back home in Idaho or DC. Any scuttlebutt on him talking to a lawyer or getting help keeping this under the radar from the locals?

Posted by: bmaz | August 28, 2007 at 01:21

Imagine how horribly sad it is to be Mr. Craig. This rigid culture we inhabit creates monsters out of scared, ordinary people. How can a person repress his/her basic nature without going kattywampus.

jayt @ 64

OT - has anyone commented yet on the crawl I just saw on MSNBC?

“Inauguration Day 2009 Countdown: 511 Days”.

Oh great - Chris Hitchens vs. Bill Donahue on Hardballs - this could get good…

The drunk and the compulsive gambler?

Please tell me they’ll be debating Craig’s sexual ethics…

Please…

I’ll waggle my foot…

We had a similar sting operation a few years back at a park shelter near a bike trail. The local Sheriffs office nabbed about 10 or 12 mostly middle aged married men. Most all of them actually claimed to not be Gay. Even after their homesexual acts were caught on tape. This must be what Sen. Craig means when he says he is not Gay.

punaise @ 54

it’s not the gay; it’s the hypocrisy

Thanks Pun, it’s an important point.
It’s not teh gay.

Good Lord! Of course, he’s not gay.

He’s bi.

After getting a good look at his mug the first thing that came to mind is that whoever he was
’servicing’ would have to be thinking the same thing as a tight rope walker;

DON’T LOOK DOWN!

bmaz @ 78:

You can get bl*wj*bs at Mall of America? Wow, they really do have everything.

clio @ 94

Good Lord! Of course, he’s not gay.

He’s bi.

bwaahhhhhhhhhhhh

kirk murphy @ 77

Elliott @ 66

KIRK!

sorry - couldn’t resist - and for the record, my snarky comment was invented out of whole cloth

(not a cheap one-ply from the airport bathroom floor…

aka an Idaho keepsake)

s’OK ;)

Thanks Cozumel and James - the Lewd Conduct thing completely missed me. Getting a charge of disorderly conduct was sort of a gift, really, but the whole issue for me is the level of hypocritical and delusional thinking that is going on in his head — Huh? I’m not gay? He thinks the issue is that someone might think he’s gay? the fact that a US Senator behaved in a way that a cop could snag him in this way in the public restroom in an airport doesn’t lead him to believe that he’s shown incredibly poor judgement? And he thinks that his major problem is his guilty plea? I’m not a resident of Idaho, but if I were, my issue would be that I would not want to be represented by someone who theoretically is an adult who shows this level of bad decision making. If someone can’t even protect themselves on the personal level (i.e., keeping his personal life truly private and personal by making choices that keep it that way instead of making choices that could make his personal preferences a matter of public comment and a humiliation for his family), how could I trust that person to make reasonable choices and decisions about policies that I consider really important to the country? The answer is, I could not trust that individual. At all.

clio @ 93

Good Lord! Of course, he’s not gay.

He’s bi.

Don’t you mean bye-bye?

Michael @ 87

He apparently does not believe getting a blow job from the same sex equates to him being gay. God it’s just a blow job it’s not sex.

As with anything else these perverted repugs deny, blame others, and lie their asses off when caught.
And this creep makes laws for the rest of society!

Ahhh, just a bl*w job.

But when Clinton did it it was a high crime and/or misdemeanor….oh, wait, that was the lying, or the cover-up, or the hypocricy, or the unfaithfulness to his wife, or the blowembarrassment to his family.

I’m sure Criag was on-board for the impeachment, wasn’t he?

Just shows he’s an idiot. He should never, ever say the word gay out loud if he is gonna survive this.

Can this man ever go to the john again without everyone tapping their feet at him? He is a bathroom preditor and doesn’t belong governing in these United States.

Frank Probst @ 94

bmaz @ 78:

You can get bl*wj*bs at Mall of America? Wow, they really do have everything.

“Shall I gift-wrap that for you, or are you having it here?”

jayackroyd @ 102

Just shows he’s an idiot. He should never, ever say the word gay out loud if he is gonna survive this.

He couldn’t stop his potty mouth.

He’s not flat-out Lindsey Graham gay. He’s just a little gay. Gayesque. Light Gay. He’s only gay from the waist down. The rest of him is as straight as John Wayne.

james @ 84

Jane Hamsher @ 75

Did Wolf Blitzer really just say they’ll be analyzing the “psychology of split personalities” because that’s what some people are saying about Larry Craig?

Because what, it’s not possible that he might, you know, lie?

Oh, like schizophrenics don’t have enough low self-esteem when they aren’t on their meds, now we’re gonna equate them with a self-hating man who likes an occasional c*ck in his mouth every now and them?

Some people would like to ask, “Wolf, what’s it like to be a Media Whore?”

Tweety is shushing Naomi for going OT. Like all these right wing assholes stick to the script.

punaise (from downstairs): are you leaving the Bay Area?

Yep — packed up the truck and moved to KC MO. Happened at the end of July/beginning of August, while you were off in Gay Paree.

#48 the news accounts say that after the 1982 page scandals he married and got a instant family because the wife had 2 kids already.

Wouldn’t it be something if the wife had a lover on the side since you know, he probly don’t do her, ya know?

:-}

He may need a week at the Living Waters Ministry Spa

kirk murphy @ 90

jayt @ 64

OT - has anyone commented yet on the crawl I just saw on MSNBC?

“Inauguration Day 2009 Countdown: 511 Days”.

Oh great - Chris Hitchens vs. Bill Donahue on Hardballs - this could get good…

The drunk and the compulsive gambler?

Please tell me they’ll be debating Craig’s sexual ethics…

Please…

I’ll waggle my foot…

Well, no. Debating Mother Theresa. Donahue backing Mother Theresa - crap - now she’s damned by association.

(and I think you’re supposed to *tap* your foot, Kirk)(geez, the things I learn at The Lake).

Ooh, this kind of rumor makes me so mad.
Larry is no more gay than…than…say,
our great president, Chimpy Bush…or…
…or…Karl Rove. Or Scotty McClellan
….Or Maybe even Ari Fleischer.

jayackroyd @ 101

Just shows he’s an idiot. He should never, ever say the word gay out loud if he is gonna survive this.

You don;t think a busload of Act-Up supporters would help him get through this?

I could drive down to the Village in about an hour’s time and see what I could do for the poor dear.

Shorter Larry Craig “I’m not, I’m not, I’m not! Some of my bestest friends are girls, doncha know?”

Who was asking why the Alberto Gonzales story broke on a Monday?

:D

BAGHDAD (AP) — U.S. troops raided a Baghdad hotel Tuesday night and detained about 10 people. A U.S.-funded radio station said the group included six members of an Iranian delegation here to negotiate contacts with the Iraqis.

Gunga Djinn @ 115

Who was asking why the Alberto Gonzales story broke on a Monday?

:D

Too bad they didn’t take that trip together along with Brad from DoJ.

I just read the police report. What lewd thing did he do? I don’t see anything in that report at all that proves he did anything sexual. There was no solicitation of sex verbally by anyone. There was no exposure of genitals. There was no offer of money. Nothing. According to the police person, he basically ordered Craig to follow him and they booked him.

He had left his bag with identification outside of the interview room, so he pulled out a card that he had on him and said, “What do you think of that”. Maybe he meant…is this ok for I.D., but then the police officer asks to see his driver’s license rather than just ask for identification. What if he didn’t have a driver’s license? He was in a bathroom, not in a car.

I think this is very weak. The fact that he pleaded guilty is the only weird thing.

Gotta love the people at CREW

CREW FILES SENATE ETHICS COMPLAINT AGAINST SENATOR CRAIG

8 Aug 2007 // Today, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) filed a complaint with the Senate ethics committee against Senator Larry Craig (R-ID) asking for an investigation into whether the senator violated the Senate Rules of Conduct by engaging in disorderly conduct.

He’s not gay, but his penis is.

Gunga Djinn @ 115

Who was asking why the Alberto Gonzales story broke on a Monday?

:D

Alberto Who?

LS @ 118

I just read the police report. What lewd thing did he do? I don’t see anything in that report at all that proves he did anything sexual. There was no solicitation of sex verbally by anyone. There was no exposure of genitals. There was no offer of money. Nothing. According to the police person, he basically ordered Craig to follow him and they booked him.

Wanna buy a bridge?

signed

Father Flannigan of Boys Town

He had left his bag with identification outside of the interview room, so he pulled out a card that he had on him and said, “What do you think of that”. Maybe he meant…is this ok for I.D., but then the police officer asks to see his driver’s license rather than just ask for identification. What if he didn’t have a driver’s license? He was in a bathroom, not in a car.

I think this is very weak. The fact that he pleaded guilty is the only weird thing.

Howie Klein adds additional info to the “Craig affair”

And I’ll add something to that: The policeman they used was total gay bait. Although that Florida Republican who offered to pay a plainclothes policeman $20 for the pleasure of performing fellatio on him later claimed the cop was fat and unattractive, no one will be saying that about Officer Dave Karsnia, who wouldn’t get out of any gay bar in the country without being showered with drinks and marriage proposals.

link

LS @ 119

I just read the police report. What lewd thing did he do? I don’t see anything in that report at all that proves he did anything sexual. There was no solicitation of sex verbally by anyone. There was no exposure of genitals. There was no offer of money. Nothing. According to the police person, he basically ordered Craig to follow him and they booked him.

He had left his bag with identification outside of the interview room, so he pulled out a card that he had on him and said, “What do you think of that”. Maybe he meant…is this ok for I.D., but then the police officer asks to see his driver’s license rather than just ask for identification. What if he didn’t have a driver’s license? He was in a bathroom, not in a car.

I think this is very weak. The fact that he pleaded guilty is the only weird thing.

Well, if you are in an airport chances are you have identification on you.

kirk murphy @ 89

jayt @ 64

OT - has anyone commented yet on the crawl I just saw on MSNBC?

“Inauguration Day 2009 Countdown: 511 Days”.

Oh great - Chris Hitchens vs. Bill Donahue on Hardballs - this could get good…

The drunk and the compulsive gambler?

Please tell me they’ll be debating Craig’s sexual ethics…

Please…

I’ll waggle my foot…

Oh merde - confused the vile ex-adjunct Heritage “scholar” (who perverts the word of Christ for political reasons) Bill Donahue with the despicable hypocite Bill Bennett (who perverts the word of Christ for political reasons).

My bad, natch.

raven @ 123

LS @ 118

I just read the police report. What lewd thing did he do? I don’t see anything in that report at all that proves he did anything sexual. There was no solicitation of sex verbally by anyone. There was no exposure of genitals. There was no offer of money. Nothing. According to the police person, he basically ordered Craig to follow him and they booked him.

Wanna buy a bridge?

signed

Father Flannigan of Boys Town

He had left his bag with identification outside of the interview room, so he pulled out a card that he had on him and said, “What do you think of that”. Maybe he meant…is this ok for I.D., but then the police officer asks to see his driver’s license rather than just ask for identification. What if he didn’t have a driver’s license? He was in a bathroom, not in a car.

I think this is very weak. The fact that he pleaded guilty is the only weird thing.

What!? Tell me what he did based upon the report.

LS @ 117

I just read the police report. What lewd thing did he do? I don’t see anything in that report at all that proves he did anything sexual. There was no solicitation of sex verbally by anyone. There was no exposure of genitals. There was no offer of money. Nothing. According to the police person, he basically ordered Craig to follow him and they booked him.

He had left his bag with identification outside of the interview room, so he pulled out a card that he had on him and said, “What do you think of that”. Maybe he meant…is this ok for I.D., but then the police officer asks to see his driver’s license rather than just ask for identification. What if he didn’t have a driver’s license? He was in a bathroom, not in a car.

I think this is very weak. The fact that he pleaded guilty is the only weird thing.

The solicitation was non-verbal — peering into the cop’s stall repeatedly, setting down his bag to prevent detection, using known signals to indicate his intentions, etc.

The only weird thing to me is that he thinks he can retract his guilty plea with a presser like this.

LS @ 120

I just read the police report. What lewd thing did he do? I don’t see anything in that report at all that proves he did anything sexual. There was no solicitation of sex verbally by anyone. There was no exposure of genitals. There was no offer of money. Nothing. According to the police person, he basically ordered Craig to follow him and they booked him.

He had left his bag with identification outside of the interview room, so he pulled out a card that he had on him and said, “What do you think of that”. Maybe he meant…is this ok for I.D., but then the police officer asks to see his driver’s license rather than just ask for identification. What if he didn’t have a driver’s license? He was in a bathroom, not in a car.

I think this is very weak. The fact that he pleaded guilty is the only weird thing.

One usually has ID/DL by the time they get into an airport bathroom these days.

Alberto Who?

Yeah, that Alberto.

:}

ccmask @ 116

BAGHDAD (AP) — U.S. troops raided a Baghdad hotel Tuesday night and detained about 10 people. A U.S.-funded radio station said the group included six members of an Iranian delegation here to negotiate contacts with the Iraqis.

The big blow-up is coming. The US is playing some seriously dangerous games in Iraq. Stepping away from the main government, supporting the old Saddam wing again.

The US is also convinced that they can “shock and awe” Iran into submission in a few days.

The US is sorely mistaken. The beginning of the end is near.

-GSD

james @ 112

jayackroyd @ 101

Just shows he’s an idiot. He should never, ever say the word gay out loud if he is gonna survive this.

You don;t think a busload of Act-Up supporters would help him get through this?

I could drive down to the Village in about an hour’s time and see what I could do for the poor dear.

“we are fam-i-ly…”

1. Someone should suggest to him that he try to withdraw his plea. I would laugh my ass off if the D.A. non-opposed the motion.

2. Someone else should get a tape of the change-or-plea hearing. It is significant that he plead guilty and not no contest (nolo contendre.) A guilty plea is an admission of guilt.

3. Hopefully he will leave the U.S. Senate involuntarily and secure employment as the national spokesman for Requip.

ccmask @ 125

LS @ 119

I just read the police report. What lewd thing did he do? I don’t see anything in that report at all that proves he did anything sexual. There was no solicitation of sex verbally by anyone. There was no exposure of genitals. There was no offer of money. Nothing. According to the police person, he basically ordered Craig to follow him and they booked him.

He had left his bag with identification outside of the interview room, so he pulled out a card that he had on him and said, “What do you think of that”. Maybe he meant…is this ok for I.D., but then the police officer asks to see his driver’s license rather than just ask for identification. What if he didn’t have a driver’s license? He was in a bathroom, not in a car.

I think this is very weak. The fact that he pleaded guilty is the only weird thing.

Well, if you are in an airport chances are you have identification on you.

They specifically asked for a “driver’s license” not just provide a form of identification. You are not required to carry a driver’s license unless you are driving.

TRex @ 122

He’s not gay, but his pen*s is.

ROTFLMAO!!!!

Send for Rev. Haggard to help cure that!

LS @ 119

I just read the police report. What lewd thing did he do? I don’t see anything in that report at all that proves he did anything sexual. There was no solicitation of sex verbally by anyone. There was no exposure of genitals. There was no offer of money. Nothing. According to the police person, he basically ordered Craig to follow him and they booked him.

He had left his bag with identification outside of the interview room, so he pulled out a card that he had on him and said, “What do you think of that”. Maybe he meant…is this ok for I.D., but then the police officer asks to see his driver’s license rather than just ask for identification. What if he didn’t have a driver’s license? He was in a bathroom, not in a car.

I think this is very weak. The fact that he pleaded guilty is the only weird thing.

It appears to me that the locals in Minneapolis charged him with the wrong crime. They should have charged him with solicitation of lewd and lascivious conduct. In fairness, they may have, and the press just mis-reported it; the press is horrid on understanding legal cases. A decent prosecutor could certainly get a conviction on solicitation. Craig apparently thought he had a problem. so to speak.

LS @ 126

raven @ 123

What!? Tell me what he did based upon the report.

He plead GUILTY.

I’m with Elliott on this one. I’m nervous when my son goes into the mens room and I stand outside the door. I would like to think this kind of behavior in a public place where there are minors present isn’t legal. I hate to be a prude but when it comes to my kids I put my foot down. (pun not intended)

Steve-AR @ 122

Howie Klein adds additional info to the “Craig affair”

And I’ll add something to that: The policeman they used was total gay bait. Although that Florida Republican who offered to pay a plainclothes policeman $20 for the pleasure of performing fellatio on him later claimed the cop was fat and unattractive, no one will be saying that about Officer Dave Karsnia, who wouldn’t get out of any gay bar in the country without being showered with drinks and marriage proposals.

link

Do click through, folks — Howie includes a photo of Officer K to back up his claim.

Oh look

Craig was a member of the Idaho Army National Guard from 1970 to 1972, attaining the rank of Private First Class (E3).[3]

Peterr @ 109

punaise (from downstairs): are you leaving the Bay Area?

Yep — packed up the truck and moved to KC MO. Happened at the end of July/beginning of August, while you were off in Gay Paree.

well, I’ll be darned, our loss. thanks for the news. may your Bay Area progressive values find a warm welcome there.

GSD @ 130

ccmask @ 116

BAGHDAD (AP) — U.S. troops raided a Baghdad hotel Tuesday night and detained about 10 people. A U.S.-funded radio station said the group included six members of an Iranian delegation here to negotiate contacts with the Iraqis.

The big blow-up is coming. The US is playing some seriously dangerous games in Iraq. Stepping away from the main government, supporting the old Saddam wing again.

The US is also convinced that they can “shock and awe” Iran into submission in a few days.

The US is sorely mistaken. The beginning of the end is near.

-GSD

The United States demanded Tuesday that Iran end any support for extremists in Iraq “at once” and raised the specter of a “nuclear holocaust” in the Middle East if Tehran gets atomic weapons.

US President George W. Bush branded the Islamic Republic “the world’s leading state sponsor of terrorism,” citing its backing of Hamas, Hezbollah, Palestinian Islamic Jihad and Shiite fighters killing US troops in Iraq.

“And Iran’s active pursuit of technology that could lead to nuclear weapons threatens to put a region already known for instability and violence under the shadow of a nuclear holocaust,” he told the American Legion veterans group.

link

Gunga Djinn @ 131

Alberto Who?

Yeah, that Alberto.

:}

Dubya says Albertoe. Gonzales.

TRex @ 122

He’s not gay, but his pen*s is.

That treacherous Crenis and its unholy appetites!

Can I say one thing?…..I AM Gay!

just saw the Craig video. Quite a powerful denial - if one were to ignore the fact that he sounded, umm, …gay….

raven @ 137

Oh look

Craig was a member of the Idaho Army National Guard from 1970 to 1972, attaining the rank of Private First Class (E3).[3]

707!

Raven, help me out with the protocol here: how many folks had to salute him? Folks still in bootcamp, and that’s about it, right?

punaise @ 140

Peterr @ 109

punaise (from downstairs): are you leaving the Bay Area?

Yep — packed up the truck and moved to KC MO. Happened at the end of July/beginning of August, while you were off in Gay Paree.

well, I’ll be darned, our loss. thanks for the news. may your Bay Area progressive values find a warm welcome there.

And Kansas City’s gain. Welcome Peterr!

Somebody should write a book about this.

Whoops! They already did!

Back in 1970!!!!!

raven @ 140

Oh look

Craig was a member of the Idaho Army National Guard from 1970 to 1972, attaining the rank of Private First Class (E3).[3]

hmmmmmm. Usually the Army National Guard is a six year commitment. Well, don’t ask. He won’t tell.

Bush today:

“The Iranian regime must halt these actions,” Bush said. “Until it does, I will take the actions necessary to protect our troops. I have authorised our military commanders in Iraq to confront Tehran’s murderous activities.”

-GSD

LS @ 120

I just read the police report. What lewd thing did he do? I don’t see anything in that report at all that proves he did anything sexual. There was no solicitation of sex verbally by anyone. There was no exposure of genitals. There was no offer of money. Nothing. According to the police person, he basically ordered Craig to follow him and they booked him.

He had left his bag with identification outside of the interview room, so he pulled out a card that he had on him and said, “What do you think of that”. Maybe he meant…is this ok for I.D., but then the police officer asks to see his driver’s license rather than just ask for identification. What if he didn’t have a driver’s license? He was in a bathroom, not in a car.

I think this is very weak. The fact that he pleaded guilty is the only weird thing.

Hanging around in a public restroom, peering through the doors to the stalls at another person using the facilities, encroaching on someone else’s space, so to speak, while not using the facilities for their intended purposes could be construed as disorderly conduct in a public place…the key words here are public place. The law has the right to designate certain behaviors prohibited in public spaces.

The ID thing is different in each jurisdiction. In NYC, for example, during the Giuliani/Bratton reign of terror ordinances were passed and added to the Administrative Code that made it very difficult, if not impossible, for someone to be released if they were picked up during a sweep and didn’t have government-issued ID such as a non-driver’s ID card, passport, or other recognized form of ID. A business card with someone’s name on it wouldn’t have cut it if I was authorizing the release.

He was trying in a subtle way to feel out the chances of getting away without being arrested. His docile behavior indicates to me that he didn’t want this to become a big magilla and he just hoped it would be covered up.

He did it, he pled to it, let the chips fall where they may and let’s let the GOP come up with the mitigating circumstances for this piece of shit.

Franco @ 145

Can I say one thing?…..I AM Gay!

That is a very Senatorial statement!

hackworth @ 142

Gunga Djinn @ 131

Alberto Who?

Yeah, that Alberto.

:}

Dubya says Albertoe. Gonzales.

Never heard of him. That I can recall.

Peterr @ 146

raven @ 137

Oh look

707!

Raven, help me out with the protocol here: how many folks had to salute him? Folks still in bootcamp, and that’s about it, right?

No one salutes any enlisted man. That’s why we all say, “don’t call me sir, I work for a living”.

Sounds like the rethugs are planning a good ole’ fashioned stoning for their Idaho flag carrier…. if only they could mine enough stones from their skull cavities. What an evil gaggle of thugs they are.

raven @ 136

LS @ 126

What!? Tell me what he did based upon the report.

He plead GUILTY.

I know, I know. I just think you have to have done “something” lewd before you are charged with something in the first place…before you have to decide whether to just plea or fight it.

LS @ 119

I just read the police report. What lewd thing did he do? I don’t see anything in that report at all that proves he did anything sexual. There was no solicitation of sex verbally by anyone. There was no exposure of genitals. There was no offer of money. Nothing. According to the police person, he basically ordered Craig to follow him and they booked him.

He had left his bag with identification outside of the interview room, so he pulled out a card that he had on him and said, “What do you think of that”. Maybe he meant…is this ok for I.D., but then the police officer asks to see his driver’s license rather than just ask for identification. What if he didn’t have a driver’s license? He was in a bathroom, not in a car.

I think this is very weak. The fact that he pleaded guilty is the only weird thing.

The guilty plea isn’t “the only weird thing”. It’s the icing on the cake.

The man was trolling for sex in a public restroom. If it had gone to trial, I think most people would have said, “Well, it sounds like he was trolling for sex in a public restroom, but he didn’t actually do anything overtly sexual, so I’m going to give him ‘reasonable doubt’ and let him off.” But Craig didn’t want the publicity of a trial, probably because he knew that (a) he’d look really guilty, even if he beat the charge, and (b) he’s been accused of trolling for sex in public restrooms before. So he copped to a lesser plea in the hopes that the media would never find out about this. And for a few weeks, they didn’t. Now he’s stuck trying to defend himself against a charge that he’s already plead guilty to. And he just blew his Jim McGreevey moment with that awful press conference.

proof craig is not gay:

http://www.balloon-juice.com/?.....ent-368311

kinmo @ 144

Thanks.

Used to live here in the early 90s, before going out to the Bay Area, so this is a return trip.

LS @ 115

I just read the police report. What lewd thing did he do? I don’t see anything in that report at all that proves he did anything sexual. There was no solicitation of sex verbally by anyone. There was no exposure of genitals. There was no offer of money. Nothing. According to the police person, he basically ordered Craig to follow him and they booked him.

He had left his bag with identification outside of the interview room, so he pulled out a card that he had on him and said, “What do you think of that”. Maybe he meant…is this ok for I.D., but then the police officer asks to see his driver’s license rather than just ask for identification. What if he didn’t have a driver’s license? He was in a bathroom, not in a car.

I think this is very weak. The fact that he pleaded guilty is the only weird thing.

You have a point. On the other hand, it’s probably cumulative circumstantial disorderly conduct

LS~chk out video on C&L or at TPM~it helped me understand the police report better

LS @ 156

raven @ 136

He plead GUILTY.

I know, I know. I just think you have to have done “something” lewd before you are charged with something in the first place…before you have to decide whether to just plea or fight it.

SO the smart thing to do is to plead guilty? I get the sense that your concern is genuine so I’m going to stop piling on you.

Peterr @ 156

kinmo @ 144

Thanks.

Used to live here in the early 90s, before going out to the Bay Area, so this is a return trip.

peterr, I’m sorry I never had the chance to meet you here by the Bay.

I hope the move and your return bring you and your family joy.

Fuck the right wing, gay baiting scumbag.

raven @ 151

Peterr @ 146

707!

Raven, help me out with the protocol here: how many folks had to salute him? Folks still in bootcamp, and that’s about it, right?

No one salutes any enlisted man. That’s why we all say, “don’t call me sir, I work for a living”.

That’s what I thought. But then how many enlisted men brag of “attaining the rank of Private First Class (E3)”?

Peterr @ 158

kinmo @ 144

Thanks.

Used to live here in the early 90s, before going out to the Bay Area, so this is a return trip.

I belong to the Drinking Liberally group, they meet at Harling’s every Wednesday night 6:30. You ought to check it out, they are a nice bunch.

Christy Hardin Smith @ 11

A mean newspaper made me plead guilty more than a month after my arrest in a men’s airport bathroom. Mmmmmmhmmmmm. A judge is totally gonna buy that one…

But he’s NOT GAY. And that’s the important thing.

I’m not gay either. But if I were, I’d be relieved to know that Larry Craig isn’t.

raven @ 155

Peterr @ 146

707!

Raven, help me out with the protocol here: how many folks had to salute him? Folks still in bootcamp, and that’s about it, right?

No one salutes any enlisted man. That’s why we all say, “don’t call me sir, I work for a living”.

Huurrrahhh!!
At ease folks nothing but us grunts here!!

James Cromwell will be playing the role of Sen. Larry Craig in tonights Hallmark Presentation:

Out of the Closet, into the Stall

-GSD

I AM NOT GAY! *sheesh* how many times does a guy have to say it…??? ;-)

Peterr @ 165

raven @ 151

No one salutes any enlisted man. That’s why we all say, “don’t call me sir, I work for a living”.

That’s what I thought. But then how many enlisted men brag of “attaining the rank of Private First Class (E3)”?

I made it a couple of times! I like to refer to myself as Private Dr Johnson!

EvilDrPuma @ 167

Christy Hardin Smith @ 11

A mean newspaper made me plead guilty more than a month after my arrest in a men’s airport bathroom. Mmmmmmhmmmmm. A judge is totally gonna buy that one…

But he’s NOT GAY. And that’s the important thing.

I’m not gay either. But if I were, I’d be relieved to know that Larry Craig isn’t.

Dangnabbit! My monitor!

Peterr @ 166

But then how many enlisted men brag of “attaining the rank of Private First Class (E3)”?

Those that never expected to get past E-2….

james @ 168

raven @ 155

No one salutes any enlisted man. That’s why we all say, “don’t call me sir, I work for a living”.

Huurrrahhh!!
At ease folks nothing but us grunts here!!

Jonathon was a butter bar!

GSD @ 149

Bush today:

“The Iranian regime must halt these actions,” Bush said. “Until it does, I will take the actions necessary to protect our troops. I have authorised our military commanders in Iraq to confront Tehran’s murderous activities.”

-GSD

Is it possible that the Military and others are starting to push back against this insanity; with this?

BAGHDAD, Aug. 27 — Several federal agencies are investigating a widening network of criminal cases involving the purchase and delivery of billions of dollars of weapons, supplies and other matériel to Iraqi and American forces, according to American officials. The officials said it amounted to the largest ring of fraud and kickbacks uncovered in the conflict here.

link

kirk murphy @ 160

Peterr @ 156

kinmo @ 144

Thanks.

Used to live here in the early 90s, before going out to the Bay Area, so this is a return trip.

peterr, I’m sorry I never had the chance to meet you here by the Bay.

Back at you, Kirk.

In Senator-speak, I am NOT GAY = I AM bi…

GSD @ 151

Bush today:

“The Iranian regime must halt these actions,” Bush said. “Until it does, I will take the actions necessary to protect our troops. I have authorised our military commanders in Iraq to confront Tehran’s murderous activities.”

-GSD

My grandmother said if you put a beggar on horseback he’ll ride straight to hell.

The beggar in this metaphor would be Herr Shrubbenfuhrer.

CTuttle @ 167

I AM NOT GAY! *sheesh* how many times does a guy have to say it…??? ;-)

You just want the cuffs.

And, for another style of delusional thinking from the GOP, I give you Rep. Randy Kuhl (district runs from Corning, NY up to near Rochester; Eric Massa is running against him I think). Rep. Kuhl’s response to an anti-Iraq war vigil which was organized in front of his offices was - to have the doors locked.
http://www.pressconnects.com/a.....1/70828013

Oh I love it, absolutely love it.

What is it about political power, that a man will put himself through what Craig is going to put himself through, just to have a chance of keeping it. The man is about to become the laughing stock of the nation.

That power addiction is some kind of addiction.

EvilDrPuma @ 167

Christy Hardin Smith @ 11

A mean newspaper made me plead guilty more than a month after my arrest in a men’s airport bathroom. Mmmmmmhmmmmm. A judge is totally gonna buy that one…

But he’s NOT GAY. And that’s the important thing.

I’m not gay either. But if I were, I’d be relieved to know that Larry Craig isn’t.

I AM gay, and the fact that he’s adamant that he’s NOT GAY is the best news I’ve heard all day.

Toby Wollin @ 39

Question folks - is the issue that Craig allegedly solicited sex — or that he solicited sex and money was involved? The last time I looked, sex between consenting adults is legal (or in the state of Minnesota, do we have something different?), but it’s the issue of sex for money that is where things go off the rails. Or, am I off here?

The issue is that he is gay and uses his big megaphone to bash gays as a US Senator. He supported and campaigned for the constitutional amendment in Idaho to ban gay marriage. He sponsored the Family Marriage Amendment to enshrine discrimination into the US Constitution, and he (after his arrest!) wrote a letter to a constituent saying that the military should not revise Don’t Ask Don’t Tell to accommodate the homosexual lifestyle. All this while living a homosexual lifestyle, even if it is a lifestyle on the down-low.

The issue is not the bathroom solicitation (money isn’t mentioned in the police report). The issue is that the arrest for bathroom solicitation illustrates Senator Larry Craig (R-ID)’s — wait for it — HYPOCRISY.

Peterr @ 180

CTuttle @ 167

I AM NOT GAY! *sheesh* how many times does a guy have to say it…??? ;-)

You just want the cuffs.

*G*

You people are so judgmental. Maybe he’s *not* gay… he just has an undercover cop fetish.

Steve, I think that is just long overdue oversight. I honestly don’t think that can impede what is now the growing drumbeat for war on Iran.

This speech of Bush’s is the new smoking gun mantra.

Once that one was uncorked by the US against Iraq, the cake was baked.

Get the frosting ready.

-GSD

montag @ 173

Peterr @ 166

But then how many enlisted men brag of “attaining the rank of Private First Class (E3)”?

Those that never expected to get past E-2….

I made E-2 out of basic and it was down hill from there. 3 years, 25 months in Asia and I mad e Spec 4 right before I got out. 1%er’s all the way. FTA

montag @ 173

Peterr @ 166

But then how many enlisted men brag of “attaining the rank of Private First Class (E3)”?

Those that never expected to get past E-2….

raven @ 163

LS @ 156

I know, I know. I just think you have to have done “something” lewd before you are charged with something in the first place…before you have to decide whether to just plea or fight it.

SO the smart thing to do is to plead guilty? I get the sense that your concern is genuine so I’m going to stop piling on you.

He did do something. Look, an experienced cop knows a drug deal when he sees it. To someone else they might not notice the dip or the transfer of product and money in a handshake or hug.

Same thing with vice operations. There are certain codes, kind of like when you see two pigeons in the park doing their dance. The female walks away all disinterested while the male puffs himself up and coos and bobs his head and shit. The, for lack of better phraseology, mating rituals involved in transient gay sex in men’s rooms and public parks, bus stations, train stations, etc are a similar thing. Cops working the scene long enough have learned what’s going on, just like cops working street prostitution involving male/female or he/she pros know what to look for.

Some of the behavior is not overt at all until you decode it.

It’s all Roland Barthes kind of semiotics stuff but when you know what to look for you can;t miss it.

cleter @ 55

I’ve never been to the Minneapolis airport. Are it’s men’s rooms especially romantic?

Must be the lighting.

Here’s a naive voice asking for clarification:
So all it takes is a tapping foot edging closer to the one in the next stall?
Ewwwww.
I’m guessing that when the police officer gives his full side of the story, the “I’m Not Gay” lawmaker will wish he had just disappeared into the night. Surely, the two had some post-stall interaction — like, say, looking at each other — before a ticket magically appeared. During those moments, did the “I’m Not Gay” lawmaker do his best to avoid any contact with the officer cause, after all, he’s not gay?
Clearly, I don’t get out enough.

speaking of Larry Haggard, I wonder how that back to school money drive is going?

the one he appealed to a select few to fund his new career as a counselor.

raven @ 175

james @ 168

Huurrrahhh!!
At ease folks nothing but us grunts here!!

Jonathon was a butter bar!

I can forgive him for that.

This has to be a precedent of some sort

From the Boston Herald:–
GOP leaders seek ethics probe of Idaho Senator
Boston Herald, United States - 1 hour ago
By AP WASHINGTON - Senate Republican leaders called for an ethics committee review Tuesday into Idaho Sen. Larry Craig’s guilty plea in a police sting …

OK.. lemme get this straight.. NOW they’re requesting an ETHICS probe, on one of their own?????? Geesh.. I always wondered what it would take to get them to turn on one of their own… I guess I now know the answer - if they have an opportunity to hate.

There has to be a joke in here somewhere for Jerry Seinfeld and friends. “I am not gay!”…”Not that there’s anything wrong with that.”

Blender @ 187

You people are so judgmental. Maybe he’s *not* gay… he just has an undercover cop fetish.

Seems to be a current fad amongst the Repug hypocrites… ;-)

or is the Ted Haggard? or Faggard, whatever, you get it……

james @ 84

Jane Hamsher @ 75

Did Wolf Blitzer really just say they’ll be analyzing the “psychology of split personalities” because that’s what some people are saying about Larry Craig?

Because what, it’s not possible that he might, you know, lie?

Oh, like schizophrenics don’t have enough low self-esteem when they aren’t on their meds, now we’re gonna equate them with a self-hating man who likes an occasional c*ck in his mouth every now and them?

Schizophrenia has nothing to do with “split personalities.” It’s just one of many falsehoods that make life harder for people who suffer from that particular illness.

I’m wondering when Craig breaks into song, to impress his constituents:

“I’m a lumberjack, and I’m okay….”

montag @ 36

james @ 30

I still don’t get the wide stance.

It’s an anal retentive thing….

Remember back in the early 60s when Pontiac came out with their ‘wide track’ autos. We could call old Larry Senator Pontiac.

raven @ 189

montag @ 173

Those that never expected to get past E-2….

I made E-2 out of basic and it was down hill from there. 3 years, 25 months in Asia and I mad e Spec 4 right before I got out. 1%er’s all the way. FTA

montag @ 173

Those that never expected to get past E-2….

Wow!!

I made E-2 out of Parris Island, E-3 out of jump school (one of four Marines in the class), E-4 when I was leaving jungle school in Panama, and E-5 after six months in Nam.

That was enough without reenlisting and, altho I extended to stay in country a couple of times I was NOT becoming a lifer.

Schizophrenia has nothing to do with “split personalities.” It’s just one of many falsehoods that make life harder for people who suffer from that particular illness.

Well, it’s a pretty common falsehood.

james @ 200

raven @ 189

I made E-2 out of basic and it was down hill from there. 3 years, 25 months in Asia and I mad e Spec 4 right before I got out. 1%er’s all the way. FTA

Wow!!

I made E-2 out of Parris Island, E-3 out of jump school (one of four Marines in the class), E-4 when I was leaving jungle school in Panama, and E-5 after six months in Nam.

That was enough without reenlisting and, altho I extended to stay in country a couple of times I was NOT becoming a lifer.

Had to stretch it so you could ets!

Looks like I’m going to have to keep pasting this link until SOMEONE GETS A FUCKING CLUE!!!!!

There’s tons of expertise on this issue — and its not from Roland Barthes either.

james @ 188

raven @ 163

SO the smart thing to do is to plead guilty? I get the sense that your concern is genuine so I’m going to stop piling on you.

He did do something. Look, an experienced cop knows a drug deal when he sees it. To someone else they might not notice the dip or the transfer of product and money in a handshake or hug.

Same thing with vice operations. There are certain codes, kind of like when you see two pigeons in the park doing their dance. The female walks away all disinterested while the male puffs himself up and coos and bobs his head and shit. The, for lack of better phraseology, mating rituals involved in transient gay sex in men’s rooms and public parks, bus stations, train stations, etc are a similar thing. Cops working the scene long enough have learned what’s going on, just like cops working street prostitution involving male/female or he/she pros know what to look for.

Some of the behavior is not overt at all until you decode it.

It’s all Roland Barthes kind of semiotics stuff but when you know what to look for you can;t miss it.

Thanks. I just guess I hope no one I know ever accidentally behaves in a pattern…it’s like getting on airplanes and looking guilty because you looked left and blinked five times before you scratched your left ear…then they yank you out of line and arrest you and send you to Gitmo…That is what I don’t like about this. I would rather have seen something concrete in the report where the actual offer is made, which in the report was when he ran his fingertips along the bottom of the partition. I guess I think the cop should have taken it further, but what do I know.

Blub @ 194

This has to be a precedent of some sort

From the Boston Herald:–
GOP leaders seek ethics probe of Idaho Senator
Boston Herald, United States - 1 hour ago
By AP WASHINGTON - Senate Republican leaders called for an ethics committee review Tuesday into Idaho Sen. Larry Craig’s guilty plea in a police sting …

OK.. lemme get this straight.. NOW they’re requesting an ETHICS probe, on one of their own?????? Geesh.. I always wondered what it would take to get them to turn on one of their own… I guess I now know the answer - if they have an opportunity to hate.

Actually, he’s being investigated by the GOP for admitting to something. Made members of the club respect omerta. Look at the Keating Five, one of whom, McCain, is still sucking the public teat. They didn;t turn on each other and they never admitted to anything more than servicing their constituents.

Hey, now there’s a novel defense for this guy!!

Other Pat @ 190

cleter @ 55

I’ve never been to the Minneapolis airport. Are it’s men’s rooms especially romantic?

Must be the lighting.

Here’s a naive voice asking for clarification:
So all it takes is a tapping foot edging closer to the one in the next stall?
Ewwwww.
I’m guessing that when the police officer gives his full side of the story, the “I’m Not Gay” lawmaker will wish he had just disappeared into the night. Surely, the two had some post-stall interaction — like, say, looking at each other — before a ticket magically appeared. During those moments, did the “I’m Not Gay” lawmaker do his best to avoid any contact with the officer cause, after all, he’s not gay?
Clearly, I don’t get out enough.

I have to confess that the foot tapping thing is something I’ve only seen in the movies. But my guess is that when someone starts playing footsie with you under a bathroom stall, they’re probably looking for sex. If you start playing footsie back, then you’re probably interested, too. If, on the other hand, you stomp on their toes, you’re probably not.

And can we please refrain from describing “trolling for sex in a public bathroom” as a “homosexual lifestyle”? It isn’t. It’s “trolling for sex in a public restroom”. And besides, Craig is NOT GAY.

David Ehrenstein @ 202

Looks like I’m going to have to keep pasting this link until SOMEONE GETS A FUCKING CLUE!!!!!

There’s tons of expertise on this issue — and its not from Roland Barthes either.

I didn’t even see this. I’ll go read it. Thanks.

You’re welcome. It explains all about the foot-tapping, the hand wiping and why the men who troll bathrooms for blow jobs don’t think they’re gay.

And it was written in 1970!

David Ehrenstein @ 203

Looks like I’m going to have to keep pasting this link until SOMEONE GETS A FUCKING CLUE!!!!!

There’s tons of expertise on this issue — and its not from Roland Barthes either.

Hey Dave, recall the conversation we had a couple of days back about my leaving LA?

montag @ 200

I’m wondering when Craig breaks into song, to impress his constituents:

“I’m a lumberjack, and I’m okay….”

Reminds me of the Bruces’ sketch, and the reading of the faculty rules: “Rule number one: No Poofters! . . .”

raven @ 202

Schizophrenia has nothing to do with “split personalities.” It’s just one of many falsehoods that make life harder for people who suffer from that particular illness.

Well, it’s a pretty common falsehood.

I believe split pwersonality is dissociative disorder?

My mom was a catatonic schizophrenic…used to go into these weird poses and freeze there when she didn’t take her meds. Of course, the meds and the ECT gave her tardive dyskenisia.

She finally stopped taking meds altogether and never had any more problems after my wife and I had our first child back in the 70s.

I think it was a combination of the typical hysterical female diagnosis at first which led to her first hospitalization, then the forced shock therapies, then the heavy doses of meds, and then the post-traumatic stress of all of that catching up with her after she got out.

I think, basically, that her initial diagnosis was wrong but who the hell cared about locking up a woman back in the days of state hospitals and electric convulsiv e therapy, right? Turn out many a good stepford wife, I bet.

No. Refresh me.

LS @ 204: If you do something by mistake and you’re not actually guilty, you probably won’t plead guilty. If, on the other hand, you try to flee the police, and then you try to pull rank, and then you don’t tell anybody about it, and then you cut a deal with the prosecutor in which you plead guilty…in that case, you’re probably guilty.

Tearoom? He thought it was peeroom.

raven @ 202

Schizophrenia has nothing to do with “split personalities.” It’s just one of many falsehoods that make life harder for people who suffer from that particular illness.

Well, it’s a pretty common falsehood.

And yet, nevertheless, categorically false.

AP - Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad boldly declared Tuesday that U.S. political influence in Iraq is “collapsing rapidly” and said his government is ready to help fill any power vacuum.

I hadn’t been unfortunate enough to catch “Tucker” for a very long time, as I assiduously avoid him. Catching him bullyragging Melanie Sloan of CREW first & then brow beating Congressman Jim Moran(!) causes me to remember why-he is a disgusting Jerk! Who does he think he is? A person of modest accomplishment, verbally assaulting people who don’t play in his league. America truly is the land of opportunity!

Frank Probst @ 207

Other Pat @ 190

Must be the lighting.

Here’s a naive voice asking for clarification:
So all it takes is a tapping foot edging closer to the one in the next stall?
Ewwwww.
I’m guessing that when the police officer gives his full side of the story, the “I’m Not Gay” lawmaker will wish he had just disappeared into the night. Surely, the two had some post-stall interaction — like, say, looking at each other — before a ticket magically appeared. During those moments, did the “I’m Not Gay” lawmaker do his best to avoid any contact with the officer cause, after all, he’s not gay?
Clearly, I don’t get out enough.

I have to confess that the foot tapping thing is something I’ve only seen in the movies. But my guess is that when someone starts playing footsie with you under a bathroom stall, they’re probably looking for sex. If you start playing footsie back, then you’re probably interested, too. If, on the other hand, you stomp on their toes, you’re probably not.

And can we please refrain from describing “trolling for sex in a public bathroom” as a “homosexual lifestyle”? It isn’t. It’s “trolling for sex in a public restroom”. And besides, Craig is NOT GAY.

Thanks, Frank: Guess that’s why I’m wondering how this “non-event” (cause he’s an “I’m Not Gay” lawmaker) developed. Whether an adult is approached in a nasty bathroom, on a beautiful beach, or in a lovely club — by whomever, of whatever make or model, the adult has the ability to be:
1)shocked and appalled
2)flattered but not interested
3)in agreement

… and to make that reaction clear.
Me thinks he doth protest too much.

“Did Wolf Blitzer really just say “

His name is Leslie.

And he’s a fine one to talk about split personalities.

Frank Probst @ 207

I have to confess that the foot tapping thing is something I’ve only seen in the movies. But my guess is that when someone starts playing footsie with you under a bathroom stall, they’re probably looking for sex. If you start playing footsie back, then you’re probably interested, too. If, on the other hand, you stomp on their toes, you’re probably not.

Unless you like it rough.

Frank Probst @ 215

LS @ 204: If you do something by mistake and you’re not actually guilty, you probably won’t plead guilty. If, on the other hand, you try to flee the police, and then you try to pull rank, and then you don’t tell anybody about it, and then you cut a deal with the prosecutor in which you plead guilty…in that case, you’re probably guilty.

Frank I think you have it summed up nicely here; not to mention that Craig lied about not consulting with a lawyer.

David Ehrenstein @ 212

No. Refresh me.

We were talking about fathers and how I ended up heading for the Nevada border. Anyway it started with a situation you are citing with this book.

wow.. faux news is really all over this guy.

Meanwhile, from the world of clueless:
RENO, Nev. — President Bush warned on Tuesday that Iran is plotting to extend its “murderous” influence over Iraq and is threatening to destabilize the Middle East under a “shadow of a nuclear holocaust.”

Hyperbole anybody?

once again, by popular demand, the infamous bathroom stall scene from Austin Powers I, with Tom Arnold cheering on from the next stall.

Other Pat at 218: It’s always the cover-up that kills you. But in Craig’s case, he’s been accused in the past of having sex in the restroom at Union Station. (Which is, I think, why he tried to cover up this arrest to begin with.)

David Ehrenstein @ 210

You’re welcome. It explains all about the foot-tapping, the hand wiping and why the men who troll bathrooms for blow jobs don’t think they’re gay.

And it was written in 1970!

Thanks for that; I just saw it and ordered it.

Look at it this way:

If you *were* cruising a public restroom looking for gay sex, and got a chance to plead guilty to mere Disorderly Conduct, wouldn’t you take it too?

Hope this works (sorry, I can’t resist)

http://i13.tinypic.com/4vd1ks3.jpg

From the Idaho Statesman: Editorial

…

• Did Craig try to use his title to make the case go away? According to the police report, Craig handed the plainclothes officer a U.S. Senate business card during an interview with police, and asked the officer, “What do you think about that?”

This suggests an inexcusable abuse of power. Craig was elected to represent Idaho’s interests in the Senate — not to use the title of U.S. senator in his own self-interest during a police interrogation.

…

Blub @ 225

wow.. faux news is really all over this guy.

Meanwhile, from the world of clueless:
RENO, Nev. — President Bush warned on Tuesday that Iran is plotting to extend its “murderous” influence over Iraq and is threatening to destabilize the Middle East under a “shadow of a nuclear holocaust.”

Hyperbole anybody?

Well, he’s got his Iranians in a hotel thing into the news……
so now we can all forget about Craig’s excellent adventure and start cowering on our knees again

james @ 226

David Ehrenstein @ 210

You’re welcome. It explains all about the foot-tapping, the hand wiping and why the men who troll bathrooms for blow jobs don’t think they’re gay.

And it was written in 1970!

Humphreys’ findings contradict a number of previously held assumptions about male-male sexual activity, and carry some important recommendations. One is that the “seduction of teenagers” does not occur in these public places, and in fact teenage boys are actively excluded despite their frequent desire to participate. Another is that the chance of anyone being unwillingly approached in a public restroom, unless he is behaving in such a way as to invite sexual advances, is practically nonexistent. Third, the most frequent criminal behavior which results from these practices is blackmail, primarily from the policemen on the vice squad who are assigned to eliminate sex in public places
Thanks for that; I just saw it and ordered it.

AZ Matt @ 230

From the Idaho Statesman: Editorial

…

• Did Craig try to use his title to make the case go away? According to the police report, Craig handed the plainclothes officer a U.S. Senate business card during an interview with police, and asked the officer, “What do you think about that?”

This suggests an inexcusable abuse of power. Craig was elected to represent Idaho’s interests in the Senate — not to use the title of U.S. senator in his own self-interest during a police interrogation.

…

It’s a witch hunt, I tell you, a witch hunt!

“wow.. faux news is really all over this guy.”

You mean the story’s being covered by Shepard Smith?

james, you left the lake last night before my comment thanking you for your service, and specifically thanking you for protecting and serving our community. your story was great.

Blub @ 224

wow.. faux news is really all over this guy.

Meanwhile, from the world of clueless:
RENO, Nev. — President Bush warned on Tuesday that Iran is plotting to extend its “murderous” influence over Iraq and is threatening to destabilize the Middle East under a “shadow of a nuclear holocaust.”

Hyperbole anybody?

No less hyperbolic than “the smoking gun that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud.”

Hey, it worked once before, they think.

punaise @ 226

once again, by popular demand, the infamous bathroom stall scene from Austin Powers I, with Tom Arnold cheering on from the next stall.

Gawd…

Sooo Funnee…

David Ehrenstein @ 234

“wow.. faux news is really all over this guy.”

You mean the story’s being covered by Shepard Smith?

[snark]Faux does have the moral high ground, though. As far as I know, their hosts only harass women.[end snark]

“Yeah if I was a sitting US Senator..”

You mean sitting on the john in a Minneapolis airport?

bmaz @ 223

Frank Probst @ 215

LS @ 204: If you do something by mistake and you’re not actually guilty, you probably won’t plead guilty. If, on the other hand, you try to flee the police, and then you try to pull rank, and then you don’t tell anybody about it, and then you cut a deal with the prosecutor in which you plead guilty…in that case, you’re probably guilty.

Frank I think you have it summed up nicely here; not to mention that Craig lied about not consulting with a lawyer.

Where in the report did it say he ran from the police or resisted arrest?
Where does it say that he tried to pull rank? He was asked for ID, and he gave them his card, all he said was, “What do you you think about that?”…that could mean, as I said up above, that he wanted to know if it would suffice, because his bag with his license was not in the room with him.
Then the police asked him to produce his driver’s license.

Other than that, I agree with you that pleading guilty is pleading guilty for whatever reason.

global yokel @ 239

“Yeah if I was a sitting US Senator..”

You mean sitting on the john in a Minneapolis airport?

Well, any john, really.

Book on male penguins tops complaint list

NEW YORK - Not all penguin stories are equal in the public’s mind.

“And Tango Makes Three,” an award-winning children’s book based on a true story about two male penguins who raised a baby penguin, topped the American Library Association’s annual list of works attracting the most complaints from parents, library patrons and others.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20480366/

David Ehrenstein @ 233

“wow.. faux news is really all over this guy.”

You mean the story’s being covered by Shepard Smith?

Shepard Smith used to work for a local affiliate in Orlando. He’s as not-gay as Senator Notgay.

Ok, as much as I don’t want to admit it, this idiot is my Senator. But not because I ever voted for the f*ckwit.

He’s blaming the Statesman? Because of an article they DIDN’T FREAKING PUBLISH?

Everyone understands that, right? That the Statesman didn’t publish the story because they couldn’t confirm, and it was only after the news of the arrest came out that they published ANYTHING?

The hypocrisy gets me, and I think he deserves to be smacked with that. However, as one of his constituents, can I say that the bastard
owes me an apology? He thinks I’m that stupid? And he wants to make sure the entire nation thinks that I’m that stupid too?

Jeebus. Between him and Sali, is it any wonder this state has such a sorry reputation?

LARRY, YOU F*CKWIT, YOU PLEADED GUILTY. I wanna know if any charges were dropped for the guilty plea.

David Ehrenstein @ 210

You’re welcome. It explains all about the foot-tapping, the hand wiping and why the men who troll bathrooms for blow jobs don’t think they’re gay.

And it was written in 1970!

I posted the link on a thread last evening, but it got EPUd. Looks like a great book. Seminal, if you will, in its study of men who do not identify as gay but have sex with men.

Idaho Republican watching TV, can o’ beer, scratching himself:

“Well, shee-it, at least he’s sayin’ he ain’t a faggot. What the hell they want outta him?”

Oklahoma kiddo @ 242

Book on male penguins tops complaint list

NEW YORK - Not all penguin stories are equal in the public’s mind.

“And Tango Makes Three,” an award-winning children’s book based on a true story about two male penguins who raised a baby penguin, topped the American Library Association’s annual list of works attracting the most complaints from parents, library patrons and others.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20480366/

As always with such items, I wonder: how many of the complainers have read the book? And would it not be reasonable to expect that they do so so they know what they are complaining about?

From the Raw Story: Boo-hoo

Craig once helped boot GOP senator for sexual harassment
Nick Juliano
Published: Tuesday August 28, 2007

When the ethics committee voted to boot Bob Packwood from the Senate for lewd sexual harassment in 1995, Sen. Larry Craig lamented the difficult decision, but called it “the right one.”

After Packwood resigned the next day, Craig, then a member of the Senate ethics committee, shared a tearful embrace with his former colleague.

“One particularly poignant moment came during an exchange between Packwood and Sen. Larry Craig, R-Idaho, a member of the Ethics panel,” Edwin Chen reported in the Los Angeles Times Sept. 8, 1995. “Afterward, they shook hands and hugged one another. Then Craig began sobbing and quickly strode into the GOP cloakroom, his hands covering his face.”

…

TeddySanFran @ 244

David Ehrenstein @ 210

You’re welcome. It explains all about the foot-tapping, the hand wiping and why the men who troll bathrooms for blow jobs don’t think they’re gay.

And it was written in 1970!

I posted the link on a thread last evening, but it got EPUd. Looks like a great book. Seminal, if you will, in its study of men who do not identify as gay but have sex with men.

OK, but what if they are bi which the description of the subjects of this book being “husbands and fathers” seems to suggest.

Would lie-detector work?

Guess not.

Sorry can’t help but post X-Offender for Larry Craig. Trying to “perpetrate love” with a police officer.

I know if I was being persecuted by a newspaper alleging that I hung around known gay cruising areas I would hang out at a known gay cruising area, peering into stalls, tapping other peoples feet and wiping my hand under the stall of someone else.

-GSD

P.S. I have a tough time sitting in some public toilets, never mind picking up a piece of paper that is on the shithouse floor.

Poor Larry, he’s even wearing his nice US flag lapel pin in his mug shot.

Penguins don’t troll tea rooms.

Leinie 245,

“LARRY, YOU F*CKWIT, YOU PLEADED GUILTY. I wanna know if any charges were dropped for the guilty plea.”

Now, you’ve got a point there!!

AZ Matt @ 249

From the Raw Story: Boo-hoo

Craig once helped boot GOP senator for sexual harassment
Nick Juliano
Published: Tuesday August 28, 2007

When the ethics committee voted to boot Bob Packwood from the Senate for lewd sexual harassment in 1995, Sen. Larry Craig lamented the difficult decision, but called it “the right one.”

After Packwood resigned the next day, Craig, then a member of the Senate ethics committee, shared a tearful embrace with his former colleague.

“One particularly poignant moment came during an exchange between Packwood and Sen. Larry Craig, R-Idaho, a member of the Ethics panel,” Edwin Chen reported in the Los Angeles Times Sept. 8, 1995. “Afterward, they shook hands and hugged one another. Then Craig began sobbing and quickly strode into the GOP cloakroom, his hands covering his face.”

…

You sayin that Craig and PackaWoody had a thing?

EDP@247

I smell a mass e-mailing from the American Family Association or some such RW issue group.

TeddySanFran @ 236

james, you left the lake last night before my comment thanking you for your service, and specifically thanking you for protecting and serving our community. your story was great.

Hey Teddy!!

Thanks! I had a really great time doing that job and made lots of friends in the community. I gotta tell you, for parties, I’d take gay places over straight places hands down.

The hardest part was responding to cases in homes when guys started dying in the early days of AIDS. I had a born-again partner who actually put on a friggin mask in someone’s house when he found out it was a gay couple and one of the men was dying. I told him to go wait for me in the car and I waited with the guys until the ambulance came.

My first real taste of right-wing nuttery born again hypocrisy.

Anyway, thanks…I love reading your stuff.

GSD @ 251

Poor Larry, he’s even wearing his nice US flag lapel pin in his mug shot.

What’s wrong with that? I always picture Republicans wearing flag lapel pins in mug shots.

AZ Matt @ 248

From the Raw Story: Boo-hoo

Craig once helped boot GOP senator for sexual harassment
Nick Juliano
Published: Tuesday August 28, 2007

When the ethics committee voted to boot Bob Packwood from the Senate for lewd sexual harassment in 1995, Sen. Larry Craig lamented the difficult decision, but called it “the right one.”

After Packwood resigned the next day, Craig, then a member of the Senate ethics committee, shared a tearful embrace with his former colleague.

“One particularly poignant moment came during an exchange between Packwood and Sen. Larry Craig, R-Idaho, a member of the Ethics panel,” Edwin Chen reported in the Los Angeles Times Sept. 8, 1995. “Afterward, they shook hands and hugged one another. Then Craig began sobbing and quickly strode into the GOP cloakroom, his hands covering his face.”

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Getting caught is always traumatic for `pugs.

During the 1980’s the liveliest in L.A. was in the basement of Royce Hall at UCLA.

Michael Eisner was spotted there frequently.

I can’t imagine what he was doing.

Washing his hands, I expect.

james @ 255

TeddySanFran @ 236

james, you left the lake last night before my comment thanking you for your service, and specifically thanking you for protecting and serving our community. your story was great.

Hey Teddy!!

Thanks! I had a really great time doing that job and made lots of friends in the community. I gotta tell you, for parties, I’d take gay places over straight places hands down.

The hardest part was responding to cases in homes when guys started dying in the early days of AIDS. I had a born-again partner who actually put on a friggin mask in someone’s house when he found out it was a gay couple and one of the men was dying. I told him to go wait for me in the car and I waited with the guys until the ambulance came.

My first real taste of right-wing nuttery born again hypocrisy.

Anyway, thanks…I love reading your stuff.

Tell me the Lake ain’t swell!

EvilDrPuma @ 254

GSD @ 251

Poor Larry, he’s even wearing his nice US flag lapel pin in his mug shot.

Is it OK if I don’t picture the piercing?

Or can I have brain bleach home delivered by the tank-load?

What’s wrong with that? I always picture Republicans wearing flag lapel pins in mug shots.

PLovering @ 251

Would lie-detector work?

Guess not.

Lie detectors don’t work on rethugs. Lie detectors require the act of lying to evoke some type of emotional response on the part of the liar.

nonplussed @ 255

EDP@247

I smell a mass e-mailing from the American Family Association or some such RW issue group.

You should believe nothing that you hear and only half of what you see…but you should believe absolutely everything that you smell.

A Flag pin?

Well it’s not like Larry had a Prince Albert y’know.

LS @ 241

bmaz @ 223

Frank I think you have it summed up nicely here; not to mention that Craig lied about not consulting with a lawyer.

Where in the report did it say he ran from the police or resisted arrest?
Where does it say that he tried to pull rank? He was asked for ID, and he gave them his card, all he said was, “What do you you think about that?”…that could mean, as I said up above, that he wanted to know if it would suffice, because his bag with his license was not in the room with him.
Then the police asked him to produce his driver’s license.

Other than that, I agree with you that pleading guilty is pleading guilty for whatever reason.

LS, let it go….showing his business card was a subtle way if trying to intimidate the cop. I was a cop, believe me, he was trying to make the guy uncomfortable to get out of it.

Of course, if it had been me, I would have taken the card, asked him to wait a few minutes, winked at him, and would have gone to call the newspapers and the local electronic media….but that’s just me.

Then I would

David Ehrenstein @ 264

A Flag pin?

Well it’s not like Larry had a Prince Albert y’know.

*implosion*
brain bleach! STAT!

O/T
Naomi Wolf on “Hairball” around 5:30 Mountain time.

Read her new book;

http://chelseagreen.com/2007/items/endofamerica

Stoke your outrage!

EvilDrPuma @ 254

GSD @ 251

Poor Larry, he’s even wearing his nice US flag lapel pin in his mug shot.

What’s wrong with that? I always picture Republicans wearing flag lapel pins in mug shots.

Is it OK if I don’t picture the goopers’ piercing events?

Or can I have brain bleach home delivered by the tank-load?

(bungled the 258 above - sorry pups)

There was another charge I thought. Some kind of misdemeanor, like getting rowdy or something like that. As you can see, IANAL.

I can barely think about using a filthy public bathroom to pee in….

Damn…

Can’t imagine getting your freak on there…

I don’t care if you’re gay, bi, or straight….

james @ 267

LS @ 241

Where in the report did it say he ran from the police or resisted arrest?
Where does it say that he tried to pull rank? He was asked for ID, and he gave them his card, all he said was, “What do you you think about that?”…that could mean, as I said up above, that he wanted to know if it would suffice, because his bag with his license was not in the room with him.
Then the police asked him to produce his driver’s license.

Other than that, I agree with you that pleading guilty is pleading guilty for whatever reason.

LS, let it go….showing his business card was a subtle way if trying to intimidate the cop. I was a cop, believe me, he was trying to make the guy uncomfortable to get out of it.

Of course, if it had been me, I would have taken the card, asked him to wait a few minutes, winked at him, and would have gone to call the newspapers and the local electronic media….but that’s just me.

Then I would

O..K..

PeteCO @ 266

O/T
Naomi Wolf on “Hairball” around 5:30 Mountain time.

Read her new book;

http://chelseagreen.com/2007/items/endofamerica

Stoke your outrage!

Yea, and Tweety shuts her up because she goes off topic, the punk.

David Ehrenstein @ 264

A Flag pin?

Well it’s not like Larry had a Prince Albert y’know.

Are you sure?
Maybe he has a nice spangly red-white-and blue one.

kirk murphy @ 263

EvilDrPuma @ 254

Is it OK if I don’t picture the piercing?

Or can I have brain bleach home delivered by the tank-load?

What’s wrong with that? I always picture Republicans wearing flag lapel pins in mug shots.

Oh G*d, not the flag lapel pin. Its almost become like the apparatchniks pin.

james @ 260

LS @ 241

Where in the report did it say he ran from the police or resisted arrest?
Where does it say that he tried to pull rank? He was asked for ID, and he gave them his card, all he said was, “What do you you think about that?”…that could mean, as I said up above, that he wanted to know if it would suffice, because his bag with his license was not in the room with him.
Then the police asked him to produce his driver’s license.

Other than that, I agree with you that pleading guilty is pleading guilty for whatever reason.

LS, let it go….showing his business card was a subtle way if trying to intimidate the cop. I was a cop, believe me, he was trying to make the guy uncomfortable to get out of it.

Of course, if it had been me, I would have taken the card, asked him to wait a few minutes, winked at him, and would have gone to call the newspapers and the local electronic media….but that’s just me.

Then I would

I imagine that’s what happened but not necessarily in that order ; )

ticktock @ 268

I can barely think about using a filthy public bathroom to pee in….

Damn…

Can’t imagine getting your freak on there…

I don’t care if you’re gay, bi, or straight….

Hey James, these folks ought to do some burnin and stirrin’ ya think :)

I tied to find the police blotter but on the Minn gov website, access expires after 7 days. I’ll bet Pawlenty knew about it the day it happened.

raven @ 273

PeteCO @ 266

O/T
Naomi Wolf on “Hairball” around 5:30 Mountain time.

Read her new book;

http://chelseagreen.com/2007/items/endofamerica

Stoke your outrage!

Yea, and Tweety shuts her up because she goes off topic, the punk.

No sh!t?

There is a new thread up but everytime I try to get to the comments I get a 404 message.

YMMV

PeteCO @ 276

raven @ 273

Yea, and Tweety shuts her up because she goes off topic, the punk.

No sh!t?

I kid you not. They are talking about Craig and she wanders into Romney. I have NEVER seen him slap someone down the way her does her. Not frickin John O Neil, Swiftboat Lyin scumbag or anyone else.

PeteCO @ 280

raven @ 273

Yea, and Tweety shuts her up because she goes off topic, the punk.

No sh!t?

Tweety doesn’t like Naomi. Naomi’s kinda cute.

How the Media Operates–new thread.

Larger, faster and deadlier unmanned aerial vehicles headed for Afghanistan.

Hearts and minds redux.

The Pentagon can now say, we didn’t kill those civilians, it was a robot.

-GSD

ticktock @ 271

I can barely think about using a filthy public bathroom to pee in….

Damn…

Can’t imagine getting your freak on there…

I don’t care if you’re gay, bi, or straight….

Exactly. UGH.

Marcy’s latest about Leahy’s letter to Schlozman

http://thenexthurrah.typepad.c.....t-80912267

Rove, Gonzales, could I be going to far hoping that Cheney will be wanting to spend more time with his grandchildren?

raven @ 262

james @ 255

Hey Teddy!!

Thanks! I had a really great time doing that job and made lots of friends in the community. I gotta tell you, for parties, I’d take gay places over straight places hands down.

The hardest part was responding to cases in homes when guys started dying in the early days of AIDS. I had a born-again partner who actually put on a friggin mask in someone’s house when he found out it was a gay couple and one of the men was dying. I told him to go wait for me in the car and I waited with the guys until the ambulance came.

My first real taste of right-wing nuttery born again hypocrisy.

Anyway, thanks…I love reading your stuff.

Tell me the Lake ain’t swell!

Like Richie Aprile from the Sopranos said to Uncle Junior…”You’re givin’ me a chubbie.”

Like Richie Aprile from the Sopranos said to Uncle Junior…”You’re givin’ me a chubbie.”

And dirty bathrooms, ewwwwww.

mui @ 283

PeteCO @ 280

No sh!t?

Tweety doesn’t like Naomi. Naomi’s kinda cute.

One question. Why did Naomi wait years after other authors have come out wiht the same book?

peanutbutter @ 286

ticktock @ 271

I can barely think about using a filthy public bathroom to pee in….

Damn…

Can’t imagine getting your freak on there…

I don’t care if you’re gay, bi, or straight….

Exactly. UGH.

You really have to be a sicko numbskull to be so public.

The hypocrites of IVA and their editorial on Craig. Yesterday they had his photo up and part way down they had This:

BONUS BYTES

- One of the tragic characteristics of the homosexual lifestyle is its emphasis on anonymous sex and multiple sexual partners. It is a little-acknowledged secret that many active homosexuals will have more than 1,000 sex partners over the course of a lifetime (the average among heterosexuals is seven – still six more than we were designed for). This sordid fact of homosexual life surfaced yesterday in an AP article yesterday that reports on the number of arrests police have made for indecent exposure and public sex acts in the restrooms at Atlanta’s airport, the busiest in the world. The increased restroom patrols, begun to apprehend luggage thieves, instead uncovered a rash of sex crimes. Airport restrooms have become so popular that men looking for anonymous sexual trysts with other men have advertised their airport availability on Craigslist. One such ad was from a man saying he was stuck at the airport for three hours and was looking for “discreet, quick action.” (AP: Arrests Up in Atlanta Airport Restrooms)

Today’s editorial:

As the Executive Director of the Idaho Values Alliance, I received approximately five dozen emails and phone calls from homosexuals and gay sympathizers from all over the country yesterday afternoon and evening. The one thing they all shared in common was an unseemly glee over the senator’s apparent fall from grace.

Not one expressed compassion for the senator, or for the toll this incident must be taking on his family. To have such utter disregard for the anguish involved in this circumstance, from the very people who pride themselves on their compassion, is both revealing and disappointing. Perhaps they are not the paragons of tolerance they imagine themselves to be.

It is certainly time for people of faith to pray for Senator Craig and for his family, and my wife and I will be among those who lift him up before the God of grace and mercy.

One larger issue must be addressed. The Republican Party platform clearly rejects the agenda of homosexual activists. The Party, in the wake of the Mark Foley incident in particular, can no longer straddle the fence on the issue of homosexual behavior. Even setting Senator Craig’s situation aside, the Party should regard participation in the self-destructive homosexual lifestyle as incompatible with public service on behalf of the GOP.

No member of the Republican Party in the 1860s could represent his party and be a slaveholder at the same time. Nor can the Republican Party of today speak with authority and clarity to the moral issues that confront our society and at the same time send ambivalent messages about sexual behavior. It is time for the Republican Party to be the party that defends the American family in word, deed, and by personal example.

New works above

raven @ 277

ticktock @ 268

I can barely think about using a filthy public bathroom to pee in….

Damn…

Can’t imagine getting your freak on there…

I don’t care if you’re gay, bi, or straight….

Hey James, these folks ought to do some burnin and stirrin’ ya think :)

I think I know what you are talking about….

Gawd help me…

Saw “Jarhead” and believe it was something about how the military cleaned the latreens…

Am I right?….

raven @ 278

ticktock @ 268

I can barely think about using a filthy public bathroom to pee in….

Damn…

Can’t imagine getting your freak on there…

I don’t care if you’re gay, bi, or straight….

Hey James, these folks ought to do some burnin and stirrin’ ya think :)

Now there’s something I’ve really repressed.

I don’t even use porta-potties, I outright refuse.

GSD @ 285

Larger, faster and deadlier unmanned aerial vehicles headed for Afghanistan.

Hearts and minds redux.

The Pentagon can now say, we didn’t kill those civilians, it was a robot.

-GSD

They are pushing these things on police departments right here at home for the very same reason…makes enforcing martial law that much easier.

Has anyone suggested we mount a “Mr. Hand” puppet campaign, like we did with the rubber stamps?

ticktock @ 294

raven @ 277

Hey James, these folks ought to do some burnin and stirrin’ ya think :)

I think I know what you are talking about….

Gawd help me…

Saw “Jarhead” and believe it was something about how the military cleaned the latreens…

Latrines? Plywood huts with holes cut in them. 55 gallon drums cut in half under them. There as a rectangular hole where you could put a 2×4 and drag the barrel out when it was full. Then you dumped gas and diesel on it and lit it. But wait, if you just let it burn it would crust. So you stirred it. That’s what I did xmas day 68, “with a little help from my friends” if ya know what I am saying.

Oh look. pictures!

Did anybody notice Larry “NOT GAY” Craig’s first words at his presser?

Something close to: Thanks for coming out…

Seriously, that’s what he said.

Love to know what Pach thinks about that Freudian slip. :)

cleter @ 18

I just assume all GOP senators are gay. That way I’m not surprised when one of them approaches me in a public restroom.

707

I don’t see the social harm that the Minneapolis police prevented. The meaning of Craig’s tapping is understood as code only by another consenting adults. Did the cop tap back? If so, it sure sounds like entrapment.

I don’t like Republican senators, but in this case I see Craig as a victim. I’d like to see him tough it out.

It may be where I was raised, but Senator Craig’s use of the phrase “make it go away” to explain why he plead guilty, makes me think corruption or overweening privilege. Most people I know think about how to “fix” their mistakes not “make them go away”. It also indicates to me a lack of willingness to take responsibility for his actions.

I think Craig is right.
He’s not gay.
He’s a homosexual.
And I for one think there’s a hell of a difference.

Craig is a self-hating, closeted homosexual.
But he’s never done anything in his pathetic life to merit being called “gay.”
Being gay is about being strong enough to live the truth of your life. Being gay is about overcoming the stupidity of anti-gay cultural bias and hatred.
Craig is just a sad pathetic person who has allowed fear and self-hatred to run his life. Craig has allowed this fear to twist him like every other self-loathing closeted homosexual (think Cohn, Hoover and the list goes on…).

We need to be mature enough to know the difference between these two.

When Craig claims “I’m not gay” its just another window into the self-deceptive compartmentalization that has ruled his life. “I’m not one of those people.”

He knows who he is. He knows he likes men and wants to be with men. But he doesn’t have the courage to live his life honestly.

Pathetic? Yeah.
Closeted? Yeah.
Homosexual. Yeah.
Gay? No way. Maybe some day, if he grows a pair and can be honest with himself and the world. But not now.

Dennis Quaranta @ 301

[snip]

I don’t like Republican senators, but in this case I see Craig as a victim. I’d like to see him tough it out.

Tough out his guilty plea?

I am afraid Senator Craig is just going to make things worse. I suppose it’s possible the police officer assigned to the men’s room (what an unpleasant assignment) was “mistaken” about everything in his report and that Senator Craig does have a wide stance when urinating as he claims, but common sense and one’s own or at any rate my own life’s experience suggests otherwise. I know for a fact some police officers have lied. But I have never seen or heard of a wide stance in the circumstances Senator Craig has described. The whole thing is very sad. Given Senator Craig’s long time championing of a very narrow defintion of family values, and his criticism of those who do not share his “christian” values, he perhaps deserves to feel the sting of public humiliation as punishment for hypocrisy. But he’s still one of us: a flawed human being whose family does not deserve to be hurt. Senator Craig’s hypocrisy is fair game. Of course he’s trapped by people who say things like he has said. Somehow we should try to take the traps away. Not the people. Just the traps. The self righteous, holier than thou trappers who make it unsafe and unbearably difficult for people like Senator Craig to be themselves should be persuaded to turn in their traps. Of course it would help immensely if Senator Craig would turn in his trap first.

I have to giggle a bit… the good Senator doesn’t have any sense at all if he think chanting “I’m NOT gay I’m NOT gay” and clicking his heels three times is going to convince the viewing public of his lack of gayness

I think that gay groups all over the country should come to Boise and parade in this guy’s defense- bring the rainbows and the whole deal.

Maggie @ 299

Did anybody notice Larry “NOT GAY” Craig’s first words at his presser?

Something close to: Thanks for coming out…

Seriously, that’s what he said.

Love to know what Pach thinks about that Freudian slip. :)

Oh, that -was- good

I’m all for Unseemly Glee !

David Ehrenstein @ 309

I’m all for Unseemly Glee !

Okay. I’d go for that.
Although he’s never really seemed that gleeful.

“I am NOT GAY, I never have been gay.”
Larry Craig

“I’m gay. I’m very gay. I’m steeped in gayness.”
George Costanza

Run, Larry, Run. Don’t give up your seat. No one could be more NOT GAY than you. Clearly you are being harrassed by a newspaper too afraid to print a negative word about you. Carry on, don’t quit. Run for re-election on an I’M NOT GAY platform, that will show them.

Some have expressed compassion for this bewildered and confused man. I am afraid I’m having trouble mustering much. If he wants to hate himself, fine nut I am sick and tired of clowns like this taking their troubles out on the rest of the world

Got a question. I just read the police report and the cop describes that Craig was wearing a gold ring when he was “fingering” the bottom of the stall. Later in the report Craig is reported to say that he “could not remove ring from left ring finger” What’s the point of that and why would the cop note it?

bmaz @ 90

There is not one chance in hell that he did this without the advice of an attorney. Just because they tried to slide it through a municipal or minor justice court of some kind without drawing attention to it and there was no counsel of record on the plea DOES NOT mean he did not consult an attorney. Take it to the bank that he consulted an attorney. This guy is not only a pervert, but like most far right wingnut Republicans, he is a complete lying sack of dung. I will wager about anything that he consulted a lawyer either there, back home in Idaho or DC. Any scuttlebutt on him talking to a lawyer or getting help keeping this under the radar from the locals?

Posted by: bmaz | August 28, 2007 at 01:21

Craig called the MN Airport Police a week later to obtain the police report and assigned court date, as well as the name and phone number of the Asst. District Attorney in charge of the case. He told two distinct police officers that he needed the information for his “legal counsel”. When he obtained that information he said “that’s just what I need”.

It’s absolutely certain that Craig had, at the very least, considered going to a lawyer and was getting the information needed for that.

http://www.foxnews.com/project.....report.pdf

Officer Snedker: “Craig told me he needs a contact so that his lawyer can speak to someone…”

Officer Karsnia ” Craig demanded the information for the law firm…”

He might as well say, “I am not a conservative asshole.” It’s just as believable.