(Update — I’ll be on with Johnny Wendell, subbing for Randi Rhodes, on KTLK at 12 noon PT/3 pm ET. You can listen here — JH)
Reports this morning indicate that various factions in Iraq have reached a tentative agreement on the framework for resolving at least two issues — easing up on deBaathification and release of some prisoners held by the US. From the Washington Post:
Iraq’s top five political leaders announced an agreement Sunday night to release thousands of prisoners being held without charge and to reform the law that has kept thousands of members of Saddam Hussein’s political party out of government jobs.
The agreement was publicized after several days of meetings between Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, a Shiite; President Jalal Talabani, a Kurd; Vice President Tariq al-Hashimi, a Sunni; Vice President Adel Abdul Mahdi, a Shiite; and Massoud Barzani, president of the semiautonomous Kurdish region.
The Reuter’s version has an important difference:
Although they did not announce details, they said they had agreed on a mechanism for releasing detainees, the text of a law on distributing oil revenue and measures to readmit former members of Saddam Hussein’s Baath Party to public life. [bold mine]
I haven’t seen confirmation that the agreement extends to oil revenues. Neither the NYT or the AP version, which notes that the meetings were overseen by Ambassador Crocker, mentions oil revenues, but AP says this:
But no details were released and committees must hash out final versions of legislation to be presented to parliament. Iraqi officials have announced similar deals in the past, only to have them fall apart.
Back in the non-real world of the Washington Beltway, Sunday’s talk shows showed signs that the White House massive propaganda surge was struggling to keep up with reality.
So they got help from the media.
Tim Russert was his usual self, giving Tom Ricks, Michael Gordon, and Richard Engel a platform. Ricks was sane, suggesting we may be in Act III of a five-act tragedy, but Engel opined that if the Democrats force troop withdrawals, the troops would be angry at them for making them give up the security gains they had just made. Putting aside whether the Iraqis believe these “security gains” have improved or worsened their lives, apparently it is the Democrats’ fault that every US General we have is now talking about how many troops we have to withdraw because the increased numbers of the surge are simply not sustainable and are breaking the Army. When Tim asked how the “gains” could be sustained given the limited number of soldiers, or whether the so called “gains” in Anbar posed a risk of arming Sunnis to war against the central government, Gordon, always the Administration shill, ducked and talked about something else, with no follow up from Russert.
On CNN’s This Week At War, an Administration Pentagon spokesman simply lied and smiled as he did so. He claimed that the corruption in economic development contracts applied only to the Iraqis and not to Americans or their contractors, all the GAO Reports and reporting by Matt Ortega and others notwithstanding. There was no pushback. When he was asked about Iraqi living conditions, he gave a typical evasive non-answer, noting that the US had completed many new projects for electricity and water treatment, etc., as CNN dutifully showed us where these might be on the map, so we’re making progress, right? In the following segment, the host interviewed a woman with relatives in Iraq, and she reminded us what has been confirmed elsewhere, that the water is bad and makes their kids sick and that most folks don’t get more than a few hours of electricity a week, unless they tap into private generators. CNN’s host never challenged the smirking Administration official’s evasions nor did he make any effort to reconcile the two contradictory segments.
It was left to the erratic Michael Ware to piece the bits together by suggesting that the so-called “progress” in Anbar Province, the center piece of the Administration’s claims that “the surge is working,” had nothing to do with the increased troop levels or Petraeus’ military genius. The Sunni tribal leaders who chose to work with US forces did so because Petraeus accepted a risky deal that American commanders and the White House had rejected for years: let the Sunnis run Western Iraq as a quasi-autonomous province, and keep the Central Government and its mostly-Shia-militia army out of their territories, and the Sunnis will stop fighting us and fight al Qaeda in their province. Of course, this means that Petraeus has given up on central government control of Anbar and acquiesced in a de facto partition, while counting this as “progress.”
I have not seen this deal explicitly articulated anywhere, but a few commentators, including Ware are now describing pieces of this elephant. Moreover, while Anbar “progress” is heralded as a model, it has not sunk in that this deal cannot easily be replicated elsewhere; Anbar is almost entirely Sunni, whereas many of the areas in and around Baghdad and northern cities began as highly mixed neighborhoods. In those areas, the pace of “sectarian cleansing” seems to be accelerating.
The National Intelligence Estimate (NIE), a pile of obscure imprecision crafted to avoid saying anything clearly, while being essentially useless as an “intelligence” analysis that can only be deciphered by people like emptywheel, contained only a hint of this when it talked vaguely about “internal displacement,” without ever connecting the dots. But the more disturbing reality is that for reasons not entirely clear, the pace of internal displacement — Iraqis fleeing their homes to save their lives — has doubled since the surge began. If the surge were honestly portrayed as having contributed to forcing over a half million Iraqis to flee from their homes, only the White House neocons who place no value on the lives of individual Iraqis would call this “progress.”
Logan Murphy at C&L sums it up:
Iraqis are dying at double the pace of last year, the Iraqi prison population has risen 50% since the surge began, U.S. troops deaths are up and the Iraqi government has collapsed. Never mind the millions of refugees who have fled to neighboring countries, the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis living in tent cities, no fresh, running water, an electrical grid on the verge of collapse, in Bushworld, this is called progress. We’re turning the corner…
Logan forgot to mention we’ve given up on democracy, but since the Democratic front runner thinks it’s just fine to call for the removal of Iraq’s head of government, I guess we’re not supposed to care about that. I’m just trying to figure out what Hillary Clinton was talking about when she lectured Obama about how experienced and serious Presidential candidates discuss our relations with sovereign governments. Either Hillary just committed a serious blunder — why has there been virtual silence on this? — or she really meant to convey that she and her advisers are just as irresponsible and opportunistic as her crazy Republican rivals.
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Scarecrow!
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Finally, Iraq!
I love FDL!
BADA BING! Three zeds in a row today.
Re: Gonzo, from Bush statement: Freudian slips:
“He [i.e. Gonzo] aggressively and successfully pursued public corruption.”
and “It’s sad… when a talented and honorable man like Alberto Gonzales is impeding from doing important work.”
True, that.
Caw, caw! Hello Scarecrow.
oops, sorry, this shoulda gone in the last thread. But a post with zero comments is too tempting.
zedecile!
(first ten?)
still too slow – zed is soo elusive lol
Michael Ware is usually on the money about the situation on the ground in Iraq. Richard Engel used to be as well..until he moved to Beirut.
Biodun @ 5
Sweet!
Congrats, Scarecrow, for hounding Abu out the door all these months. He might still be there if it weren’t for the light of truth you and others here have shown upon his sleaziness, criminality and sociopathy.
Commenting from Sitka, Alaska where I’m working this week. What a wonderful town! You can get Ray Troll refigerator magnets at every wifi coffee shop…
How many times have we seen and said it? The Fix is in. This is just more lipstick to extend the Occupation into Hillary territory. Since the Iraqi parliament is not meeting and the government — what’s left of it — do not have a majority, the ‘agreement hammered out etc etc’ is worth about as much as the paper it’s written on, if that. But it’s enough ‘to give the parties concerned a little more time to work things out.’
I guess the big question is whether the American public will fall for this BS. There’s no question that our faithful traditional press will. They’ve been telegraphing this move for the last ten days.
In the end this is all going to play out to the tragic fifth act on the ground, where it’s been all the time.
now that AG has left(pushed) iraq is back on the front pages…MSM is flakking for bushco – after all xmas bonuses await
PB (peanut butter) @ 12
That means 3 days of good luck. I heard 4 in a row is bad luck though.
Great post Scarecrow!!!
While you’re trying to figure out what Hillary is talking about, I’m trying to picture WTF an Iraqi gets sent to prison for?
Isn’t just surviving in that hellhole akin to a bit?
scarecrow,
read that Iraq article too, but am not impressed. Their legislature out of session and all, this is likely smoke, seems to me. I just don’t see it going through their lawmakers.
And don’t forget that what has actually happened is that the leaders of the various factions have reached a tentative agreement on some issues, which they have apparently done several times in the past year, only to have it go nowhere in parliament because they can’t get their people to actually vote for it.
How nice that the “Maliki is failing” pressure produced some nice PR for the administration’s Iraq push. Good job, senators!
blood for oil — sign the deal and send the cash back to halliburton and bring the troops home
Meanwhile, blow-back from al-Maliki:
OT: Fred Thompson man-crush alert (via McClatchy):
“Ooh, he smiled at me! *swoon*”
OT: Don’t we control the airspace in Afghanistan?
From the BBC
The United Nations says opium production in Afghanistan has “soared to frightening record levels” with an increase on last year of more than a third.
The UN Office on Drugs and Crime report says the amount of opium produced has doubled in the last two years, and that Helmand province is now the biggest single drug producing area in the world – surpassing whole countries.
Despite billions of dollars of aid and tens of thousands of international troops, the 193,000 hectares of opium poppies grown in Afghanistan this year are now responsible for almost all the world’s opiates, according to the UN report.
Either Hillary just committed a serious blunder — why has there been virtual silence on this? — or she really meant to convey that she and her advisers are just as irresponsible and opportunistic as her crazy Republican rivals.
In the first place, there has been almost nothing concrete to back up the notion of an independent Iraqi government, let alone a democratic one. One of the Big Lies that has been perpetuated by the media and the Very Serious People is an American commitment to a democratic, independent Iraq. The rejection of the results of the election of the Palestinian authority all by itself demonstrates the US attitude toward representative government in the Middle East.
Moreover, nobody has suggested that the Iraqis had any say in the escalation,have any say in the redeployment plans of any of the Democratic candidates and it bothered nobody that the US Congress dictated legislation the Iraqi parliament was to ratify. That the need for a scapegoat is putting a public end to this particular pretext for the occupation is not something that should be laid solely at Clinton’s door. And, of course, there were others calling for Maliki’s removal as the excuse for resetting the FU clock on September 15 or October 1.
However, it does demonstrate that Clinton (and to my mind the rest) are on board with the permanent occupation.
Scarecrow, good roundup. I watched portions of the you’ll sit in front of the TV for 6 hours total if you’re not careful CNN special report God’s Warriors, –good, that– seeing most of the Christianity/Islam portions before my eyes grew bloodshot, and I had to stumble away from the Tee Vee.
I was impressed by the statement from (I believe) a formerly radical jihadist turned peaceable one (Egypt, Muslim Brotherhood) saying that the Iraqi invasion would turn a whole new generation of people into radical/militants.
It was one of those groan-in-your-heart moments, similar and adding to the numbing moments in No End In Sight where the major screw ups were set forth in detail: Add to overall leadership incompetence — inexperience at war and post-war occupation — the basic cross-cultural cluelessness about the perspective and worldview of the ones whose country you are invading.
Scarecrow steps up and knocks the ball out of the park on the first swing!
ccmask @ 16:
Thanks for that warning. I’ll ease off for the rest of the day. Go find me some pleasure. Do me a favor and keep digging up some more juice like the one re: Paula in the last thread…*g*
as long as the MSM ride chimpy’s jockstrap we’ll be mired in iraq and soon iran for decades….war war and more war…
Just heard the FreedomsWatch-dot-org radio slot re. Iraq:
“I’m a Marine…I lost my legs in Iraq…surrender is not an option…call your Senators & Congressmen and tell them the U.S. does not surrender…blah blah no surrender…blah blah no surrender…”
kinda creepy
oh Ed*,
I liked sitka. There is a great museum there. It’s true that there is the cruise ship schlock shops, but there’s a great museum there. And it doesn’t long to get out of schlock central.
“Good name dragged thru the mud…”
Just how delusional and/or venal is this president?
“You can fool some of the people all of the time and those are the ones I’m gonna focus on….”
Smirks as he looks in mirror.
Biodun @ 27
In re: Paula – It’s just a payback for the Daily News reporting yesterday that Paula was filing a lawsuit against her hubbie for screwing around and mis-appropriating her money which she had invested with him. something along the lines of $25M.
OT: Would someone please forward to McNerney this from Glenn “Glennzilla” Greenwald:
Prairie Sunshine @ 31
It was more like: “Good name dragged thru the…
(pause while chimp reads notes)
mud!”
I don’t think one of HRC’s strong points is advocation of diplomacy in the Middle East.
Don’t forget the Army has a new 20K signup bonus for those who enlist for “quick ship.”
[h/t Loo Hoo]
While I’m certainly glued to FDL today, I find I can’t really revel in Gonzo’s downfall.
The Bush Administration has been a tremendous tragedy to the entire globe, not to mention a long-national nightmare.
And this post highlighting the situation in Iraq which started off as a fustercluck and has evolved into something so much worse, is the perfect example why I can’t react with glee.
I say this not as a criticism of those who have taken the time to indulge in a bit of shadenfrued today — we all have to deal with these issues in our own way — but I’m glad we’re getting our eyes back on the ball.
Sadly, with Iraq, there are no longer any good answers and the challenge of the next administration is to chart a course with the least horrible consequences. Not an enviable position for anyone and I think it’s not only fair, but essential to point out where our Democratic front-runner stands.
I’m terrified of what might happen if we let Cheney’s plans for Iran play out. I’m afraid we may be facing some very dark days ahead.
Maybe I’m just experiencing a little Monday melancholy, but it’s hard to see a silver lining.
Stated simply. This sort of thoughtful, well researched, well written, timely post is the REAL reason I keep coming back to FDL. The snark is fun, the comradry and activistic push great, and I have more than my fair share of zeds, but Scarecrow (Christy, Jane and everyone) thanks for this sort of well ahead of the curve reporting and analysis. You just don’t get it any place else.
dakine01 @ 32:
Yep. the NYDaily News piece spelled that out.
Josh has the video version of this update.
I’d note that both Richardson and Edwards also chimed in against Maliki.
This is a full court press by the entire DC establishment to reset the FU clock.
wigwam @ 33
Exactly… either McNerney is with the good Dems or the Blue Dogs..
SufiLizard @ 37
Right… I found myself tempted to think that GONE-zales was a sign of something that’s finally gone right. But things have gone so wrong, there are untold ways that this could continue to go wrong.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 35
Hillary needs a way to justify keeping the war going there for her neocon friends. If they change the head of government, she can argue that we need to give him a chance to turn things around. Others are calling for his ousting for similar reasons, and because they have a stake in the new leadership.
From Al Jazeera:
“The oil law is seen as the most important in a package of measures stalled by political infighting in al-Maliki’s government.”
As was said last night. It’s all about oil. Always has been. For us this is one of the major no-brainers of the Bush years. Bush I and Bush II.
Regarding the Ground Zero fire and the firing of all of these people today…I find it interesting that there appears to be a conflict of interest (perhaps for insurance)for the Mayor and the Governor:
http://www.newsday.com/news/lo…..3626.story
Yep. The whole Iraq mess is Maliki’s fault.
Biodun @ 5
That means you have to retire for a month to give the rest of us a shot.
Ed*ard Teller @ 13
I wish we could take credit. It is an optimistic view.
But the next step is very tricky. Progressive blogs have essentially thrown down the gauntlett to Senate Dems – take a stand and demand an independent, honest AG appointment, or . . . — or what? I hope pressure on the dems not to fold works, because I don’t want to think about what comes next.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 44
It is not ALL about oil, there is also the little issue of war profiting (munitions etc), so-called defense strategy for Is*ael, Bush’s “Dad issues,” and terror politics at home to keep everyone afraid so they will support the rethugs.
Oh, and G’mid-day, everyone. Anything going on?
Mauimom @ 47
I had 3 zeds a couple of days ago then Biodun arranged with the powers that be to move me back down the list. For every time there is a season……
LS @ 45
Story is gone LS. Musta been a doozy.
Does anybody else find it very irritating that Allawi is making statements regarding his commitment to the future of Iraq–from Amman.
Richmond @ 38:
Well said. Scarecrow’s research and writing makes it look easy, doesn’t it?
I’ve had more of my fair share of zeds too…*g*
FWIW (from a week or two ago):
http://observer.guardian.co.uk…..42,00.html
ccmask @ 52
Here, try again.
http://www.newsday.com/news/lo…..3626.story
Oklahoma kiddo @ 35
A quick read thru her donor list reveals why.
It looks like Hillary has already been given the nomination by the MSM. Blue Dogs like her war chest and Republicans like their odds against her — at a time when they shouldn’t like their odds against a can of beans from a Tom Robbins’ novel.
I wonder if any of the rest of us get to have an opinion about that?
Legalize
poppy crop?
from April 2007, The Independent
Scarecrow @ 48
Well that’s always been the problem. If we hold them accountable in the election booth we could make things worse by strengthening Republicans. We certainly should make sure they face a primary opponent, but realistically it’s nearly impossible to unseat a standing Senator in a prmiary.
How do we hold them accountable? What sacrifices are we willing to make to clean up the party?
I wish I had good answers.
johnSwifty @ 58
Well to be fair, in a Tom Robbins novel a can of beans could actually be a formidable opponent. ;-)
I have to wonder if there were no oil under the sands of Iraq, would we ever have gone there? Didn’t most of the 9-11 perps come from Saudi Arabia and elsewhere? Perhaps I’m wrong on this.
Scarecrow @ 48
Primary challenges in House districts are what comes next. And if the McNerny thread over the weekend is any indicator, that will be very, very messy.
When NYBri said to Rep McNerny that he hoped that the Congressman would return to Washington taking to heart what NYBri knew Rep McNerny had heard, he was speaking for all of us. But even in as committed and unified a community as this one, there were arguments.
Unless they grow some spines really fast, things could get very ugly.
But the “I’m on your side, but I’m helpless” bit won’t work anymore.
This is OT, but maybe not. Just heard Thom Hartman interview Radley Balko about the politicization of the police force. Truly frightening. There are 800 swat style break ins in America every week. Worth a read.
http://reason.com/news/show/121169.html
Never believe so-called agreements between top Iraqi officials. First, they usually get torpedoed by or before they get to the Parliament. Second, they have no effect on the ground because this is controlled by militias with their own agendas and patronage systems. Third, re-Baathification has been opposed by major Shia religious leaders like Sistani.
I wrote on Sunday about the MTP episode. Why is it Russert can’t find a critic of the war, you know one of those people who got it right from or near the beginning?
Lastly, I add my list of why the “surge” is not working. Please feel free to give me suggestions on it, including telling me not to post it anymore.
Thanks Scarecrow, a wonderful post.
Your posts are always clear and bring me insight.
I’m in the same place as SufiLizard in many ways; it was a small part of the reason I took a break from blogs over the winter. I went to see “no End in sight” last week and was crying within 2 minutes. I read and watch the candidates for pres with anxiety and concern, knowing that a percentage of what they are offering can never come true in my lifetime because of the damage this war and administration has done to the constitution, the rule of law and especially America’s standing in the world. It will take a generation to rebuild trust and relationships and whoever is elected is going to need a couple of years at least just to determine the truth of what is left behind.
I haven’t given up, far from it, but I am deeply cautious about unqualified hope and support these days.
Lemme see! The NIE says that “we are making progress” despite the fact that sectarian killings have doubled since January, because the “surge” is succeeding in Baghdad where the PROPORTION of civilian deaths have dropped from 75% of the total in Iraq to about 52%.
Now that sounds splendid…until you actually analyze what this means.
The fact is the actual NUMBER of civilian and sectarian killings in Baghdad is UP.
Simply do the math. If you have twice the number of actual deaths then you have increased the actual number unless there is a substantially higher % reduction (to below 37.5% of the national figure).
Consider that if the number of civilian casualties was 1000 in January…and jumped to 2000 in July. That would be a doubling of casualties.
Now 75% of those January casualties would be in Baghdad, prior to the glorious surge. That would be 750 deaths. Then the surge happens, and the glorious impact of that in Baghdad is that the proportion drops to 52%. But that is of 2000. So there is actually 1040 civilian deaths AFTER the surge. That’s almost 300 MORE DEATHS in BAGHDAD! That’s an increase of 40%!
Work it out for any set of numbers and you’ll find that the “surge” is a failure in protecting civilians in Baghdad, as it has failed even more so elsewhere.
Violence against civilians has increasedin tandem of the surge in all areas of the country. There may have been a “proportionate increase” elsewhere due to the movement of militias and Al Qaida in Iraq out of Baghdad…and the ethnic cleansing of Baghdad has largely already occurred (though the numbers above show that retaliatory attacks are still quite deadly…and more are dying that 6 months ago).
I’ve been sorta cut off since before Abu joined Karl Rove. Who is the leading contender for AG. Have any names been floated from the administration as trial balloons or whatever? Alice Fisher? I win a case of Red Menace beer if her name even comes up.
Hmmm. The goal, obviously, is to make it look like the Iraqi government is on the brink of handing out ponies to everyone. They need to keep that idea alive through General Betrayus’ testimony AND whatever vote comes right after it. That way, they can use the “THIS CLOSE!” argument to try to win the vote.
It might work, but I seriously doubt it. The big question that Congress-critters have to be asking themselves is not, “What do things look like in Iraq right now?” The big question is: “What are things going to look like in November 2008?”
If you think that Iraq is going be a utopia with everyone riding around on their new ponies, then you’re going to vote for the occupation, on the assumption that you’ll be able to say, “I told you so!” when election time rolls around.
If, on the other hand, you think Iraq is pretty much going to look the same as it did last year, and the year before that, and the year before that; OR you think it’s going to look even worse, then you’re going to want to get the troops out of there pronto. It’s one thing to sacrifice 3,000 soldiers to satisfy the President’s ego. It’s quite another to sacrifice your own political career.
Senator Clinton ‘knows’ we have no place else to go in the general election.
johnSwifty @ 58:
Yep. MSM has all but picked Hillary and Giuliani for the nasty battle ahead. MSM would like to see that battle.
What a small world, after all:
A construction firm involved in the demolition of the former Deutsche Bank building is the same company that assured Minnesota officials a highway bridge was safe before it collapsed this summer.
The firm, URS, which stands for United Research Services, was hired to investigate the stability of the Interstate 35W bridge in Minneapolis in 2003. After finding numerous weaknesses, URS engineers told Minnesota transportation officials in January it would be able to find cracks and fix them before they became dangerous, according to news reports.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 62
Not a chance and no you’re not.
Ed*ard Teller @ 68:
Chertoff, Ted Olson, Joe-Lie, Orrin Hatch…inter alia.
SufiLizard @ 61
Not to mention pedantic as hell, but the point is that Republicans shouldn’t like their odds against anyone. They should have their tails tucked way, way up behind their legs and mumble things like, “Well, I guess we screwed up the whole country and probably the world for a long time…we’ll just sit this next election out, if you don’t mind.”
Instead, they’re going ahead with and insane person in Rudy and their forerunner is a lazy old actor who hasn’t even declared yet. Why do they think Hillary is their best choice to run against? Could it be because she could actually be made to look bad in comparison to either a crazy or a lazy?
Biodun @ 71
Don’t you get the feeling that millions in fancy computer generated graphics have already been spent and no one at the networks wants to see that all go to waste?
ccmask @ 72
Oh, that is rich, isn’t it?
Biodun @ 74
Chertoff might not be confirmed, but the other three probably would walk right through the relatively spineless Senate. Ted Olson is the best bet. Then W gets to yell “9-11, 9-11!!!” at the top of his lungs for a few days…
BTW it is hard to see what kind of oil law is really out there. The reason that there has been no agreement to date is because the Kurds and the Shia have not been able to come up with a deal on development and control. It is hard to see them finding an agreement when they have such fundamental differences. This is of course before you factor in Sunni interests and concerns or our government and the oil companies angling for their piece of the pie. So color me dubious on all this until we see the details.
When they replace Maliki with Allawi the public will be asked to give the new Iraq gov’t 6 more months – and the Friedman Units just keep mounting.
I recall how Clinton refused to debate her opponent, Tasini, the Progressive candidate, on the Iraq War, in New York in the election of 2006.
diary at DKos:
Gonzales Does Not Remember Resigning
Ed*ard Teller:
MSM disagrees with you on this one. But since when should we just take their word for it about anything…
Biodun @ 21
Notice the spin: Hillary calls for the removal of Iraq’s head of governnment, but when he replies by saying, “we’re not part of the US,” he is called “strident.”
Zennurse — hi, hang in there; not giving up; just sizing up the task; no time for illusions. We have a fight ahead of us.
Biodun @ 83
John Edwards, a few minutes ago (I’m starting to catch up, fellow pups):
“I don’t think we should take the person who’s responsible for Guantanamo and replace him with the person who’s responsible for the aftermath of Katrina. My initial reaction is very negative to that. I think Chertoff — there are lots of very good qualified lawyers in this country, I don’t know why President Bush’s circle is quite so small, but we ought to be able to find somebody who’s not political, who’s highly qualified to head up the Justice Department.”
Strident sugarless gummint.
zennurse @ 77
It sure is. Good to see you. Still working with your husband?
Hugh — good list, though I would not attribute many of those things to the “surge,” per se; they preexisted the surge.
Biodun @ 71
Hard to think these two are the best of the best America has to offer.
Frank Probst @69 says:
“It’s one thing to sacrifice 3,000 soldiers to satisfy the President’s ego. It’s quite another to sacrifice your own political career.”
That principle should have been operative last year, then, but it wasn’t. It’s a fallacy to continue talking about Republican Congressmen and Senators as if they were independent agents with consciences. They are creatures of their party which often as not provides their livelihood in some direct or indirect way even when they’re out of office.
And the broken record continues:
johnSwifty @ 75
I agree with you completely, but I needed a break from “grave concern” for just a second. The Republicans like Hillary because she’s their best chance at not completely blowing this election. And the media is happy to annoint her, because she’s the next best thing to a Republican president for the oligarchs.
It’s a win-win for the big media conglomerates if Hillary is the “Democratic” nominee.
Last throes watch:
Some 30 masked insurgents attacked a U.S. outpost Sunday, triggering the gunbattles that ended when a U.S. jet bombed a house where gunmen had taken refuge. In addition to the dead, 14 insurgents were captured and U.S. forces seized four assault rifles, one sniper rifle and one machine gun, the military said.
-GSD
pow wow @ 55
The “there are big discoveries out there in Iraq” is I think highly unlikely. Some moderate discoveries maybe but nothing earth shattering.
On a different note, I have thought that peak oil would hit around 2012-2013. There are some indications that we are already at peak oil. It is difficult to calculate and there are a lot of unknowns or poorly knowns. The peak will likely be a plateau and we will not know for sure that it has arrived for perhaps another year or two. Still the take home message remains the same with or without Iraq we are near or at peak oil.
Scarecrow @ 48
I have to believe that having a loyal Bushie (or at least someone bought off) as AG is W’s top priority. Anyone honest or uncorruptable in there and W’s out in 2 weeks.
I’d guess there’ll be some serious bargaining going on behind closed doors.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 90
They have the most money in their respective campaigns. That has to count for something, right?
It’s rather disgusting, really. I’m sure every generation has deluded itself into thinking that it is at a international crossroads — and I’m sure many actually were, the cold war could well have been global thermal nuclear war almost any damn day of the week — but I persist in thinking that the 2008 election will be seen as a point in history where the train continued rolling down the track towards inevitable corporate fascism or the democratic process finally showed the genius imbued in it by the founders of the Constitution and righted a host of terrible wrongs with their collective vote. But if you don’t have the option to vote for the one person who could actually right a host of collective wrongs, I guess the odds go up on the inevitability of the first option.
ccmask @ 23
– stop eradicating it
– stop corruption of eradicating it
– license growers and sell for morphine
– end of black market, start of legit biz
hey there– is there still anyone out there that thinks for one second that the oil deal is not going to take place? Come on- wake the hell up.That deal has to be done before petraeus reports. Has to!
jayackroyd @ 40
Beat me to it. Obviously, a brand new leader in this very young democracy is going to need a few years (6-10 FU’s) to possibly be expected to get anything accomplished, right? It’d just be irresponsible to think otherwise.
Scarecrow @ 85
I know, my friend, I know. I”m hanging, I promise.
Scarecrow @ 89
Yes, but the rationale behind the “surge” is that things are improving. My list tries to point out that the “surge” is irrelevant to most of what is happening or likely to happen in Iraq. I should add that the “surge” has also failed in its own terms.
johnSwifty @ 97
the ny senate race that never was because ghouliani was cheating on his wife and living with 2 gay roommates and had prostate cancer and had to drop out, clearing the field for senator hillary … let’s make clear that one of the big reasons she won is because ghouliani had shut down any prospect of a plausible republican candidate by his insistence on running … put it it back to the r’s that his cheating and quitting in that race brought us her hillaryness in the first place
ha ha ha ha ha
Oklahoma kiddo @ 62
Not a chance. It’s not the only reason they went (sorry, I can’t call the Bush Administration “us” just because they control our government’s resources), but it is the sine qua non.
ccmask @ 88
You got the wrong zennurse, cc, I haven’t had a husband in 20 years. But it’s good to see you too. ;-)
Scarecrow @ 48
I hope so as well, but they have demonstrated that folding is what they do best. I am prepared for yet more disppointment.
billjpa @ 99
Except the oil bill had to be done before the constitution was voted on, before the parliamentary elections were held, etc and it hasn’t happened yet. Bush needs the oil bill but the Iraqis do not and should not move at his pace.
1,580 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen Jayackroyd and the Firepup Patriots:
“However, it does demonstrate that Clinton (and to my mind the rest) are on board with the permanent occupation.”
Yes indeed, the fix is in but we ken still derail the fascist train back to respectability if we hound the Democrats into open hearings on Attorneygate, Iraq contracting and a new AG nomination …and ,of course, get John Edwards or Al Gore elected President.
What we have seen today is a result of the battle between the Yankees and the Cowboys in the fascist oligarchy…the Murdock-Rockefeller faction won and we know who they are backin’ for President to bring ‘em back to respectability.
KEEP THE FAITH AND REMEMBER YOU DON’T NEGOTIATE WITH FASCISTS!!
zennurse: I have you confused with someone else in my mind, for some reason. Good to see ya :))
Oklahoma kiddo @ 90
What’s frightening about this is seeing this come down to two New York politicians, the foreign policy sallies of whom have always been demagogically Israel-favoring, even by U.S. standards.
Meanwhile, what the f*ck happened to the War Czar? Doesn’t he have something to say about any of this? Cat cut his tongue? Isn’t he supposed to be pulling all this together? Coordinating things? Implementing policy?
dakine01 @ 107
You know that’s interesting…that means immense pressure on Bush in light of powwow @ 55’s comment… If there’s nothing to show in Iraq at this conference…no constitution, no law, I wonder what will happen…
jayackroyd @ 40
I think you’re overstating the case — there’s a big difference between criticizing Maliki, as Edwards did, and calling for his ouster. While I’m no fan of the “blame Maliki” escape clause, since few of the problems with the Iraqi government are specific to him personally, telling the Iraqis to get rid of him is basically openly admitting it’s a puppet government.
Biodun @ 111
Well, the only time they let him out of his room he brought up a political third rail, the draft. So it is back to his room at least until Petraeus and Crocker blow in and blow out of town.
Redshift @ 104
It may be a misapplication of Occam’s razor, but in the tapes Osama Bin Laden has released to the media over the years he has very specifically claimed that his justification for continuing a terrorist jihad against the infidels of the West is because America still maintained military bases in Saudi Arabia from the first Gulf War. Now, he might not be a favorite son of the House of Saud, but he is still a son and chances are that his opinion isn’t unique with regard to getting the infidels out of the holy land.
Seeing as the Bush dynasty is buddy-buddy with the ruling family in Saudi Arabia, couldn’t the primary reason for starting a war in Iraq simply have provided a good reason to move military occupation from Saudi Arabia to Iraq.
Or, was it all just a big ploy to give the oil to Cheney’s buddies in Haliburton? ‘Cause if it’s the second one, then I think we’re going to Iran pretty quick.
Biodun @ 83
This is David Fiderer at HuPo…spreading it as widely as possible today will hurt Chertoff
(and that’s a good thing)
PB (peanut butter) @ 112
Suddenly the rationale for “abandoning democracy” and installing Allawi becomes much clearer. If the government won’t give them the oil law they want because parliament won’t pass it, time to get a new government.
This is pretty fun, take the 2008 Campaign reporter’s quiz:
http://www.salon.com/news/feat…..index.html
pow wow @55, hugh:
Here is more on SCO, which the second half of the Guardian article discusses:
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/C…..4Ag01.html
scarecrow at 50 says-”Oh, and G’mid-day, everyone. Anything going on?”
fred thompson fired his communications director…….last week fired his press secretary……..
http://blog.washingtonpost.com…..newsletter
gotta go, be back later
“What’s frightening about this is seeing this come down to two New York politicians, the foreign policy sallies of whom have always been demagogically Israel-favoring, even by U.S. standards.”
Bingo.
Do you think this type of analysis will ever see the airwaves? Me neither.
Go Edwards.
Occam’s razor: I like that.
The US will never go after Saudi Arabia.
Maybe this would be a good place to mention that now might be a good time for Democrats to focus more attention on VP Cheney and his involvement in the whole Iraq mess, starting with the outing of Valerie Plame Wilson on down to the present fiasco. Well, maybe starting earlier, too.
In fact, how much y’all wanna bet that the Congressional focus on Rove and Gonzales ever since the Libby conviction has Cheney’s fingerprints on it? That certainly has helped keep some of the heat off his office.
Bob in HI
Digby just put up a great anti-Allawi essay, likening him to Saddam.
Biodun’s streak is busted.
New thread
johnSwifty @ 115
One part of the neocon rationale for going into Iraq was always about establishing permanent bases in a country thought to be more stable and less likely to blow up like Iraq. (Strange isn’t it?) Iraq’s oil was considered a bonus. jayackroyd has written on how permanent bases have never disappeared from our Iraq strategy, and that no matter what other policy was being pursued the bases have continued being built.
johnSwifty @ 115
Good points, but keep in mind that the reason for keeping bases in the region is oil. So no, it didn’t have to be Iraq, but again, it wouldn’t have been Iraq without the oil. Sine qua non, “without which nothing” — it’s not the only reason, but it’s the one reason without which none of the others would have carried any weight.
Redshift @ 117
Doesn’t make any difference – if they install Allawi, the smae thing will happen to him as will happen to Maliki after we leave – they’re both already ID’d as US puppets and will be treated as such by whichever strongman takes over
johnSwifty @115:
Rumsfeld was more or less explicit on this point years ago when we moved troops out of Saudi Arabia in April 2003.
Remember grievances two and three, as well, because the media won’t be refreshing your memory:
– sanctions on Iraq in the 90’s
– Israeli occupation of Palestinians
Redshift– hadn’t seen an Edwards quote on al Maliki — do you have a link? Recent?
Redshift @ 113
Yes, Edwards was careful to say, near the end of the montage, that this was an issue for the Iraqi people. That is, he didn’t admit that it is a puppet government.
And Clinton pretty much did.
Which is worse? Telling the inconvenient truth? (Although she wasn’t doing it that way; she was just echoing the new consensus.) Or sticking to the cover story?
Because there has never been an independent government in Iraq, post-invasion.
My larger point is that this fiction about an independent democracy in Iraq being fundamental goal is now exposed as having been false all along.
Hugh @ 126
And was it Rumsfeld or one of the other bozos who declared that there were no holy cities in Iraq?
Jane has a new thread.
Scarecrow @ 129
Here’s one.
Redshift @ 134
Thanks.
Redshift @ 132
Being a mass murderer doesn’t make you a bozo or a dummy; it’s distracting to describe these people as such. The openly spoken conventional wisdom of the time was that it defused one of the ideological weapons bin Laden had had:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/sto…..843121.htm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/saud…..35,00.html
Redshift @ 127
I like your reasoning, oil is the big chit in the game, no doubt. There is also a general Tin Foil Hat theory that it was time for the military industrial complex to relieve some stockpiles in order to get good nice juicy guberment contracts to build more. An undercurrent of Republican administrations has always been a certain resignation to the policy that War makes good business sense. This time, however, no one told stock markets that the trickle down effect was, in fact, in effect.
Re:the picking of Hillary by the “media”…
IMHO,it’s about getting people out to vote against her. Lots of hard core right wingers will do that for spite. I’ve heard rumblings of this very thing in very red state,very right wing GA suburbs,if Hillary gets nominated,watch the flying monkeys go apeshit.
The GOP has no one that’s not loopy,scandal ridden or just plain nasty to work with. Ron Paul is the sanest of the bunch,which means he doesn’t have a hope in hell. They want Hillary as someone to run against,not for.
Redshift @ 127
Yes, but it did have to be Iraq, because occupying Iraq was the predicate for attacking Iran.
Redshift @ 134
You can see that quote on video at the tail end of the TPM compilation.
Angryoldbroad:
“They want Hillary as someone to run against,not for.”
Thassit. And it’s why the MSM is pimping for her.
Sen. Clinton; the last, best, hope for the george bush and the republican party.
She simply cannot be elected, and it’s time the democrats started talking about that, before she and the media, and the DLC that’s gotten our asses kicked for lo, these many elections, manage to blitz her into the nomination, BEFORE the unspinnable results of the invasion that she voted to authorize, and which she has NEVER said was a mistake, puts her out of the picture by sheer centrifugal force.
johnSwifty @ 115
Well I think that control of the oil production was part of it…even to REDUCE the amount in order to make quantities scarcer…while increasing DEMAND , which any military operation like Iraq will do…it guzzles as much oil as a major European country (all that feul consumption paid for by the American taxpayers, of course). In fact, it would be interesting to compare the amount of feul produced from Iraq to the amount consumed by the occupation.
Of course, the oil companies engender vast profits from high demand/low availability.
Ad in the benefit to the war-profiteering capitalist funders of the Republican Party who have pushed 80% of their campaign contributions to Pug Candidates over the last 10 years (they hated Clinton’s reduction of spending as a result of the end of the “Cold War”).
Then there is the L*K*DIST parties (and Christian apocalyptos) who want the US to have wars against Islam…the first because it would give them authority to create Greater Israel…and the latter because iot will hasten the return of Jesus C. Christ to the vaporized planet.
It likely wasn’t ONE thing that drove the inner circle into this ill-conceived war. But each of those that pushed it saw PERSONAL gains in doing so.
BTW Bin Laden and the Al Qaida communiques have used the term “Al Jazeera” when referring to the expulsion of “Crusader Armies” from the region. Al Jazeera usually refers to more than simply Saudi Arabia…and includes Iraq, Jordan, Syria and the Gulf States.