But, he may be one of the great criminal minds. Or, he has very, very good advisors.

war is not peaceable, it is not careful, it is
death
destruction

a victor and a loser is the best we can hope for
a loser and another loser is mostly where we get

SnarKassandra @ 73

It is a soccer ball.

Exactly….This isn’t the American football (I don’t think).
Football everywhere else except here is soccer, except rugby which is, well, rugby.

Still, a bad idea to have a Saudi flag on a footbal. Someone is gonna notice that it has Allah’s name on it and that they have been “fooled” into kicking Allah’s name around.

I believe that the British had the huge Sepoy Rebellion in India in 1857 because of rumors that the bullet cartridges were larded with pork fat. That angered the Muslims. When the Brits responded that they had used cows fat…the Hindus rose up!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I…..on_of_1857

Margot @ 43

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZLuP7UsSRo
I searched using Captain Robert A. Lewis AND Hiroshima (Add Enola Gay if you want more results)

That Youtube video is about all you get. There is no history. He was an historic figure.

I found an obituary…and a little bit more information. He was apparently originally from Ridgefield, NJ. And died in June 1983. There are pics of him on the site below.

http://www.mphpa.org/classic/C…..AP-111.htm

To follow up on the comments by Paddy Ashdown, I strongly recommend that everyone listen to all four installments of the series he presented on the BBC earlier this year, called Winning the Peace. Just go there and listen in order, and when you hear the final segment, on lost opportunities in Iraq, keep your blood pressure medication at the ready, as for this week’s Rolling Stone piece.

LS @ 7

Hiya, something strange…I just watched the HBO broadcast about Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The famous co-pilot, Robert A. Lewis, who reportedly wrote, “”My God,” he asked himself, “what have we done”…is mentioned in Wiki briefly…Everything else about him… is Gone..I can find nothing about him post a show on kinescope….where he showed remorse toward the Nagasaki “maidens”…

His diary sold for a lot of money. Is he dead or alive…or did he actually ever exist????

Lewis definitely existed. He died in the Summer of 1984 (his obit was in the July 4, 1984 edition of Time Magazine).

His co-pilots journal of the Enola Gay and their mission to Hroshima was sold in 2002.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wor…..898263.stm

I found a bit more on him and the incident on “This Is Your Life” where he was confronted, unknowingly apparently to all parties, with the Nagasaki Maidens. Google “Robert Wilson” and Nagasaki…or “This Is Your Life”.

“When Kondo was 10 years old, in 1955, her father made a trip to the U.S. with 25 of the “maidens” so that they could obtain corrective plastic surgery at Mt. Sinai Hospital in New York. A television station got wind of the project and contacted Reverend Tanimoto, asking him to appear as a guest on “This is Your Life.”

Arrangements were made without his knowledge, to bring the rest of his family and a core of others. Kondo clung timidly to her mother and looked around. Several of the people she recognized; one, she didn’t. “Who is that man?” she asked her mother. It was Captain Lewis, co-pilot on the B-29 Bomber that had set the Hiroshima blast.
Yes, she had wanted to meet him, but it was a shock that it should happen so soon. She glared at him with intense hatred. That wasn’t enough, so she walked right up to him with the intent of confronting him directly, but Ralph Edward, the show’s host, beat her to it.
“How did you feel after you dropped the bomb?” he asked. Captain Lewis looked down at the frail little Japanese girl who had just marched up so boldly and he spoke directly to her. “We dropped it, and then we flew away as fast as we could go. I looked back and saw the mushroom cloud forming. I saw the whole city being destroyed and I wrote in my log, ‘Oh, God. What have we done?”
He had said it with tears in his eyes. Kondo thought of all the years she had carried such hatred for this man, but at that moment she couldn’t hate him. The thing to hate, she realized with surprising wisdom, is war itself. She put her little hand in his, and held it tightly throughout the remainder of the show.
That experience changed Kondo’s whole attitude. Years later, as a college student in the States, it occurred to her that if he hadn’t said what he did, she would have been carrying this hate around with her all her life. So she tried to find him to thank him. She learned that after appearing on that show, he had been called in by the Pentagon and given hell, after which he had died in a mental hospital. She learned from his psychotherapist there that he had once sculptured a statue of a mushroom cloud, with a tear drop running down its side.”

When Kondo was 10 years old, in 1955, her father made a trip to the U.S. with 25 of the “maidens” so that they could obtain corrective plastic surgery at Mt. Sinai Hospital in New York. A television station got wind of the project and contacted Reverend Tanimoto, asking him to appear as a guest on “This is Your Life.”
Arrangements were made without his knowledge, to bring the rest of his family and a core of others. Kondo clung timidly to her mother and looked around. Several of the people she recognized; one, she didn’t. “Who is that man?” she asked her mother. It was Captain Lewis, co-pilot on the B-29 Bomber that had set the Hiroshima blast.
Yes, she had wanted to meet him, but it was a shock that it should happen so soon. She glared at him with intense hatred. That wasn’t enough, so she walked right up to him with the intent of confronting him directly, but Ralph Edward, the show’s host, beat her to it.
“How did you feel after you dropped the bomb?” he asked. Captain Lewis looked down at the frail little Japanese girl who had just marched up so boldly and he spoke directly to her. “We dropped it, and then we flew away as fast as we could go. I looked back and saw the mushroom cloud forming. I saw the whole city being destroyed and I wrote in my log, ‘Oh, God. What have we done?”
He had said it with tears in his eyes. Kondo thought of all the years she had carried such hatred for this man, but at that moment she couldn’t hate him. The thing to hate, she realized with surprising wisdom, is war itself. She put her little hand in his, and held it tightly throughout the remainder of the show.
That experience changed Kondo’s whole attitude. Years later, as a college student in the States, it occurred to her that if he hadn’t said what he did, she would have been carrying this hate around with her all her life. So she tried to find him to thank him. She learned that after appearing on that show, he had been called in by the Pentagon and given hell, after which he had died in a mental hospital. She learned from his psychotherapist there that he had once sculptured a statue of a mushroom cloud, with a tear drop running down its side.”

http://www.humiliationstudies……00103.html

Apparently he “hadn’t died” since she would have nearly been in her 40’s in 1984 when Wilson died (unless she attended college rather late, of course). So how much of this is “distorted history” I’m unwilling to guess.

Hiya, something strange…I just watched the HBO broadcast about Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The famous co-pilot, Robert A. Lewis, who reportedly wrote, “”My God,” he asked himself, “what have we done”…is mentioned in Wiki briefly…Everything else about him… is Gone..I can find nothing about him post a show on kinescope….where he showed remorse toward the Nagasaki “maidens”…

His diary sold for a lot of money. Is he dead or alive…or did he actually ever exist????

Lewis definitely existed. He died in the Summer of 1984 (his obit was in the July 4, 1984 edition of Time Magazine).

His co-pilots journal of the Enola Gay and their mission to Hroshima was sold in 2002.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wor…..898263.stm

Cassie – there was a time when most Iraqis would have been happy to just see us go. I think we are way past that time and the atrocious behavior of our military has created both obvious resentment but also a desire for a “blood price” on behalf of relatives, friends and family killed by our soldiers. And RonD is right that they will attempt to protect the retreat … but given how poorly they are protecting supply routes now, I don’t think they will succeed. It will be a fight and we will not necessarily be the winners.

Folks should read the sections of Fisk’s Great War on his experiences traveling the surrender route of the Iraqi forces after Gulf War 1 … people do remember.

Sorry…I came back late.

Another great book to get some perspective is “Israel’s Lebanon War” written in 1985 by Ze’ev Schiff and Ehud Ya’ari. Everything the US has been doing since it’s little illegal military adventures got more frequent once Reagan/Bush came to power is in that book…the waterboarding, fake executions (a Nazi favorite), massive retaliation for the killing of one soldier, collective punishment (another Nazi favorite).

Fisk is a wonderful source on the Middle East as is Patrick Coburn.

Hiya, something strange…I just watched the HBO broadcast about Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The famous co-pilot, Robert A. Lewis, who reportedly wrote, “”My God,” he asked himself, “what have we done”…is mentioned in Wiki briefly…Everything else about him… is Gone..I can find nothing about him post a show on kinescope….where he showed remorse toward the Nagasaki “maidens”…

His diary sold for a lot of money. Is he dead or alive…or did he actually ever exist????

Here is something related that may offer a little explanation.
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0805-20.htm Here is an offbeat website that gives a little info on him. http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-…..id=6390193