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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/25/late-night-and-then-the-time-will-come-when-you-add-up-the-numbers/#comment-922022</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 02:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-920070&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Thers @ 115&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Thers, great post. Let’s make the Pentagon spill their data.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hehindeed, especially as it was reported today that the Pentagon is starting its own new media operation. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Seriously…&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Isn’t that going to be redundant? After all, they have NBC, CBS and ABC as well as FOX and CNN.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-920070"><em>Thers @ 115</em></a></p>
<blockquote><blockquote>Thers, great post. Let’s make the Pentagon spill their data.</p></blockquote>
<p>Hehindeed, especially as it was reported today that the Pentagon is starting its own new media operation. </p>
<p>Seriously…</p>
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<p>Isn’t that going to be redundant? After all, they have NBC, CBS and ABC as well as FOX and CNN.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 02:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-920021&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Steve-AR @ 66&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-920009&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;ccmask @ 54&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
…&lt;br /&gt;
Imagine?  And these people are building churches all over the place and they will probably be polling places.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The amount of “fundie” church and infra-structure building around the country is amazing. All done with un-audited “Faith Based” tax dollars. We have got to shut off those tax dollars after 01/20/09. If we do that, the xtian’s will implode from their own greed.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Well, maybe Congress should do a little investigating. Just so long as it doesn’t interfere with the primary oversight of Bush &amp; Co.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-920021"><em>Steve-AR @ 66</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-920009"><em>ccmask @ 54</em></a></p>
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Imagine?  And these people are building churches all over the place and they will probably be polling places.</p>
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<p>The amount of “fundie” church and infra-structure building around the country is amazing. All done with un-audited “Faith Based” tax dollars. We have got to shut off those tax dollars after 01/20/09. If we do that, the xtian’s will implode from their own greed.</p>
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<p>Well, maybe Congress should do a little investigating. Just so long as it doesn’t interfere with the primary oversight of Bush &amp; Co.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkL</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/25/late-night-and-then-the-time-will-come-when-you-add-up-the-numbers/#comment-920858</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 15:37:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Surely by now someone has suggested that the Lancet study contains names and addresses, and that divulging the identities of these people would leave them open to attacks by teams of American right wingers, who will kill the Iraqis for daring to blame their loved ones’ deaths on the US military.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely by now someone has suggested that the Lancet study contains names and addresses, and that divulging the identities of these people would leave them open to attacks by teams of American right wingers, who will kill the Iraqis for daring to blame their loved ones’ deaths on the US military.</p>
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		<title>By: Beel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 13:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Given that the Administration will actually use Graham Greene to buttress their position, all the rest of these circularities and contradictions follow as the night the day.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given that the Administration will actually use Graham Greene to buttress their position, all the rest of these circularities and contradictions follow as the night the day.</p>
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		<title>By: sunsin</title>
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		<dc:creator>sunsin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 11:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-920305&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;newspaperbrat @ 317&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-919976&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;ccmask @ 25&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I was watching the Clint Eastwood movie Iwo Jima today and I was wondering if that was a first for a very large battle where no civilians died?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Dirty Harry’s movies have little if any scholarship in the final cut IMHO.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Read your history before making an ignorant comment. The film is absolutely correct in showing no civilian casualties. Before the battle began, all civilians on Iwo Jima were evacuated to Japan proper by the Japanese army so they wouldn’t get in the way.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-920305"><em>newspaperbrat @ 317</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-919976"><em>ccmask @ 25</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>I was watching the Clint Eastwood movie Iwo Jima today and I was wondering if that was a first for a very large battle where no civilians died?</p>
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<p>Dirty Harry’s movies have little if any scholarship in the final cut IMHO.</p>
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<p>Read your history before making an ignorant comment. The film is absolutely correct in showing no civilian casualties. Before the battle began, all civilians on Iwo Jima were evacuated to Japan proper by the Japanese army so they wouldn’t get in the way.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn Lightfoot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynn Lightfoot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 11:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-920406&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Peace Patriot @ 321&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-919972&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;sangemon @ 23&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I simply cannot fathom how we have come to this place in our history. What has happened to our nation? And how did we allow it to get this bad?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Don’t you understand?  It’s not “our nation” any more.  We have suffered a fascist coup.  Date: October 2002.  Means: The “Help America Vote Act.” And with Bush and Cheney still in office, and impeachment and all reform blockaded by 40 “Blue Dog” Democrats, it is not going to be “our nation” again any time soon, until we…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;THROW DIEBOLD/ES&amp;S ELECTION THEFT MACHINES INTO ‘BOSTON HARBOR’!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I agree. The 2004 election was stolen, as was the 2000 election, but in a slightly different way. They managed to do it with rigged machines and corrupt election officials–didn’t have to use the Supreme Court that time. The only reason we got more Dems into Congress in the 2006 mid-terms is that it’s much harder to steal so many local elections whose outcome cannot be rejiggered at the state level by state government officials with an eye to electoral college considerations. The Republicans, ably coached by the crooks who did it last time around, will do their damnedest to pull off a repeat performance in 2008. It’s hard for me to see what is going to stop them, which fills me with despair. My congressman is a Blue Dog Democrat,  and my Democratic senator (Bayh) can’t be counted on to vote as he should, either. As for Senator Lugar, he is capable of criticizing the conduct of the war, but never seems to vote for anything that puts the least impediment in the way of the thugs in charge of things.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-920406"><em>Peace Patriot @ 321</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-919972"><em>sangemon @ 23</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>I simply cannot fathom how we have come to this place in our history. What has happened to our nation? And how did we allow it to get this bad?</p>
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<p>Don’t you understand?  It’s not “our nation” any more.  We have suffered a fascist coup.  Date: October 2002.  Means: The “Help America Vote Act.” And with Bush and Cheney still in office, and impeachment and all reform blockaded by 40 “Blue Dog” Democrats, it is not going to be “our nation” again any time soon, until we…</p>
<p>THROW DIEBOLD/ES&amp;S ELECTION THEFT MACHINES INTO ‘BOSTON HARBOR’!</p>
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<p>I agree. The 2004 election was stolen, as was the 2000 election, but in a slightly different way. They managed to do it with rigged machines and corrupt election officials–didn’t have to use the Supreme Court that time. The only reason we got more Dems into Congress in the 2006 mid-terms is that it’s much harder to steal so many local elections whose outcome cannot be rejiggered at the state level by state government officials with an eye to electoral college considerations. The Republicans, ably coached by the crooks who did it last time around, will do their damnedest to pull off a repeat performance in 2008. It’s hard for me to see what is going to stop them, which fills me with despair. My congressman is a Blue Dog Democrat,  and my Democratic senator (Bayh) can’t be counted on to vote as he should, either. As for Senator Lugar, he is capable of criticizing the conduct of the war, but never seems to vote for anything that puts the least impediment in the way of the thugs in charge of things.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn Lightfoot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynn Lightfoot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 11:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It’s early Sunday morning here in Indiana, and I only just began reading the comments section, which has over 300 in it. But one of the early comments asks how did things get so bad in this country. Well, I hope the names of the five Supreme Court Justices who foisted George W. Bush on us will live on in the infamy they deserve. If Al Gore had been warned in August of 2001 about an imminent Al Qaeda attack, I feel quite certain he’d have done something more productive than arrogantly diss and dismiss the messenger. Because I have some misguided friends who are Republicans, I have had to work very hard every day for the last six-plus years on forgiving them for voting for him in 2000, but there is no excuse for anyone having done so in 2004. The Bush/Cheney administration is the true axis of evil at work on the planet.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s early Sunday morning here in Indiana, and I only just began reading the comments section, which has over 300 in it. But one of the early comments asks how did things get so bad in this country. Well, I hope the names of the five Supreme Court Justices who foisted George W. Bush on us will live on in the infamy they deserve. If Al Gore had been warned in August of 2001 about an imminent Al Qaeda attack, I feel quite certain he’d have done something more productive than arrogantly diss and dismiss the messenger. Because I have some misguided friends who are Republicans, I have had to work very hard every day for the last six-plus years on forgiving them for voting for him in 2000, but there is no excuse for anyone having done so in 2004. The Bush/Cheney administration is the true axis of evil at work on the planet.</p>
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		<title>By: bob h</title>
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		<dc:creator>bob h</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 11:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If Iraqi civilian casualties were dropping, then why would Iraqi refugee numbers be soraring with the surge.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Iraqi civilian casualties were dropping, then why would Iraqi refugee numbers be soraring with the surge.</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
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		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 09:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-920132&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Steve-AR @ 174&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;From Limbaugh: Why he Dems want out of Iraq:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;LIMBAUGH: Yeah. This is — you’re not going to believe this, but it’s very simple. And the sooner you believe it, and the sooner you let this truth permeate the boundaries you have that tell you this is just simply not possible, the better you will understand Democrats in everything. You are right. They want to get us out of Iraq, but they can’t wait to get us into Darfur.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;CALLER: Right.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;LIMBAUGH: There are two reasons. What color is the skin of the people in Darfur?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;CALLER: Uh, yeah.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;LIMBAUGH: It’s black. And who do the Democrats really need to keep voting for them? If they lose a significant percentage of this voting bloc, they’re in trouble.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;CALLER: Yes. Yes. The black population.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2007/08/follow-your-instincts-by-digby.html&quot;&gt;link&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;While the Pugs are opposed to involvement in a UN peacekeeping effort in Darfur because …their not? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Or at least not “black enough” (meaning…”no oil”).&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-920132"><em>Steve-AR @ 174</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>From Limbaugh: Why he Dems want out of Iraq:</p>
<p>LIMBAUGH: Yeah. This is — you’re not going to believe this, but it’s very simple. And the sooner you believe it, and the sooner you let this truth permeate the boundaries you have that tell you this is just simply not possible, the better you will understand Democrats in everything. You are right. They want to get us out of Iraq, but they can’t wait to get us into Darfur.</p>
<p>CALLER: Right.</p>
<p>LIMBAUGH: There are two reasons. What color is the skin of the people in Darfur?</p>
<p>CALLER: Uh, yeah.</p>
<p>LIMBAUGH: It’s black. And who do the Democrats really need to keep voting for them? If they lose a significant percentage of this voting bloc, they’re in trouble.</p>
<p>CALLER: Yes. Yes. The black population.</p>
<p><a href="http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2007/08/follow-your-instincts-by-digby.html">link</a></p>
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<p>While the Pugs are opposed to involvement in a UN peacekeeping effort in Darfur because …their not? </p>
<p>Or at least not “black enough” (meaning…”no oil”).</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
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		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 09:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-919989&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Steve-AR @ 36&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The surge is working..&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;BAGHDAD — This year’s U.S. troop buildup has succeeded in bringing violence in Baghdad down from peak levels, but the death toll from sectarian attacks around the country is running nearly double the pace from a year ago.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20070825/iraq-counting-the-dead/&quot;&gt;link&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Even this article is massaged and is actually lying about the number of casualties “going down” in Baghdad.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;_ Baghdad has gone from representing 76 percent of all civilian and police war-related deaths in Iraq in January to 52 percent in July, bringing it back to the same spot it was roughly a year ago.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So if the National death rate has DOUBLED and the PROPORTION of fatalities from violence has declined from 76% (when the total was half as much) to 52% (when it is twice the level in January). &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Let’s say the violent death level was 5000 in January and 10,000 in July. The deaths in Baghdad would have been @3800 six months ago…but 5000 in July! So that would be an INCREASE of violent civilian and police deaths of some 33% from January in BAGHDAD!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So in reality the number of civilian deaths has actually INCREASED in the area of the “surge’s success” in Baghdad. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;However, Brig. Gen. Richard Sherlock, deputy director for operational planning for the Pentagon’s Joint Chiefs of Staff, said violence in Iraq “has continued to decline and is at the lowest level since June 2006.”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Smell the Bulldada!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-919989"><em>Steve-AR @ 36</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>The surge is working..</p>
<p>BAGHDAD — This year’s U.S. troop buildup has succeeded in bringing violence in Baghdad down from peak levels, but the death toll from sectarian attacks around the country is running nearly double the pace from a year ago.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20070825/iraq-counting-the-dead/">link</a></p>
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<p>Even this article is massaged and is actually lying about the number of casualties “going down” in Baghdad.</p>
<blockquote><p>_ Baghdad has gone from representing 76 percent of all civilian and police war-related deaths in Iraq in January to 52 percent in July, bringing it back to the same spot it was roughly a year ago.</p>
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<p>So if the National death rate has DOUBLED and the PROPORTION of fatalities from violence has declined from 76% (when the total was half as much) to 52% (when it is twice the level in January). </p>
<p>Let’s say the violent death level was 5000 in January and 10,000 in July. The deaths in Baghdad would have been @3800 six months ago…but 5000 in July! So that would be an INCREASE of violent civilian and police deaths of some 33% from January in BAGHDAD!</p>
<p>So in reality the number of civilian deaths has actually INCREASED in the area of the “surge’s success” in Baghdad. </p>
<blockquote><p>However, Brig. Gen. Richard Sherlock, deputy director for operational planning for the Pentagon’s Joint Chiefs of Staff, said violence in Iraq “has continued to decline and is at the lowest level since June 2006.”</p>
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<p>Smell the Bulldada!</p>
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