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Ah.

These people are reprehensible. Really.

Jane!

Hi, Jane.

Hi, Elliott. Hi, Lindy.

Jane, You Rawk!!!

Oh, he’s a sleazy one, talking about how he has to vote one way during election years and then another in odd-numbered years. And how the leadership gives him permission to stray off the reservation, but sometimes he has to vote with them even when his constituents are opposed.

nonplussed @ 3

These people are reprehensible. Really.

Still going for the Minimalist Understatement of the Century award, are ya?

That Gary Ridgway reference is an absolute disgrace! and there’s laughter?!

appalling.
.
.

Go Darcy!

so this asshole just blithely admits that he’s a whore – but it’s ok – really, it’s ok, because he’s helping keep Republicans in power.

head -> meet desk.

Have Tweety and Pumpkinhead shown this clip?

Does anyone else smell a rat?

Donna Brazile, a member of the rules committee who argued for a swift and harsh punishment for Florida, said states’ desire to be more relevant in the nominating process does not excuse violations of rules intended to make the system fair for everyone.

“I understand how states crave to be first. I understand that they’re envious of the role that Iowa and New Hampshire have traditionally played,” said Brazile, who was Al Gore’s campaign manager in 2000. “The truth is, we had a process. . . . We’re going to back these rules.”

Forcing all the primaries to be on February Fifth doesn’t really make the system “fair for everyone,” does it? And the Rules Committee has had four years to get this right. And everyone seems to agree they got it wrong.

Defending your stupid rules, to the detriment of a state we really cannot afford to lose and which has a terrible property tax referendum on Primary Day, seems, well, sorta Vichy-like. She’s a CNN Democrat, and I don’t trust her.

I thought House and Senate members always said my dear friend when refering to each other do these rules only apply to Democrats or can we get an ethics charge on this guy. I want him to prove hat Democrats are serial killers or get kicked out of the House!
When are Democrats going to stand up for themselves?

Loo Hoo

If you’re around.

What I mean is this.

The U.S. is in a state of decay and has been, in my opinion, for 35 to 40 years.

Some day, I believe, it is going to collapse like the Roman Empire.

I believe that day is nearly upon us.

I want to be in a place apart from the collapse.

There comes a time when the 23%rs need a time out. I’ve come to the point where I’m very willing these days to put right wing bullsh!t in it’s place. I live on Staten Island and it is the only district in NYC with a Goper Representative.

The other day I got into a livery car and the driver had Sean Hannity on the radio. I told him, “Look, pal I’m an American and I don’t listen to Nazi propaganda, so please turn that shit off.”

His face was beet red for the next six miles, but the radio was turned off.

TeddySanFran @ 13

Does anyone else smell a rat?

Donna Brazile, a member of the rules committee who argued for a swift and harsh punishment for Florida, said states’ desire to be more relevant in the nominating process does not excuse violations of rules intended to make the system fair for everyone.

“I understand how states crave to be first. I understand that they’re envious of the role that Iowa and New Hampshire have traditionally played,” said Brazile, who was Al Gore’s campaign manager in 2000. “The truth is, we had a process. . . . We’re going to back these rules.”

Forcing all the primaries to be on February Fifth doesn’t really make the system “fair for everyone,” does it? And the Rules Committee has had four years to get this right. And everyone seems to agree they got it wrong.

Defending your stupid rules, to the detriment of a state we really cannot afford to lose and which has a terrible property tax referendum on Primary Day, seems, well, sorta Vichy-like. She’s a CNN Democrat, and I don’t trust her.

I don’t think it’s going to mean we risk losing Florida. The point is that if Florida goes early it gives a big advantage to the front runners (Clinton and Giulianni). That’s bad on two counts– Clinton is conservative and hard to elect, and Giulianni is a serial killer like Gary Ridgeway.

Astral Technician @ 16

There comes a time when the 23%rs need a time out. I’ve come to the point where I’m very willing these days to put right wing bullsh!t in it’s place. I live on Staten Island and it is the only district in NYC with a Goper Representative.

The other day I got into a livery car and the driver had Sean Hannity on the radio. I told him, “Look, pal I’m an American and I don’t listen to Nazi propaganda, so please turn that shit off.”

His face was beet red for the next six miles, but the radio was turned off.

oh yeah!

This is as damning a video montage as macaca-gate. Wow, did he just say all that aloud?

I gave yesterday before I even saw this. This IS the campaign ad. Just run it over and over again in the district.

TeddySanFran @ 13

Does anyone else smell a rat?

Donna Brazile, a member of the rules committee who argued for a swift and harsh punishment for Florida, said states’ desire to be more relevant in the nominating process does not excuse violations of rules intended to make the system fair for everyone.

“I understand how states crave to be first. I understand that they’re envious of the role that Iowa and New Hampshire have traditionally played,” said Brazile, who was Al Gore’s campaign manager in 2000. “The truth is, we had a process. . . . We’re going to back these rules.”

Forcing all the primaries to be on February Fifth doesn’t really make the system “fair for everyone,” does it? And the Rules Committee has had four years to get this right. And everyone seems to agree they got it wrong.

Defending your stupid rules, to the detriment of a state we really cannot afford to lose and which has a terrible property tax referendum on Primary Day, seems, well, sorta Vichy-like. She’s a CNN Democrat, and I don’t trust her.

For me and my house, I stand with Howard Dean.

That was revolting to watch.

Jonathan, gotcha. What do you have in mind?

As governor of Texas, George W. Bush commuted one death sentence, that of Henry Lee Lucas, a serial killer.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07…..91684-m0R3 ePvWW1dnMbah7grtw

but mocked Carla Fay Tucker, born again christian.

put on yr tin foil hats and follow the google trail of Bush’s only such commutation as Gubner of Texas.

Is Dave the Third Reich-ert or is he of the Republican Fourth Reich-ert?

Sometimes it’s hard to keep track of all the Republican Reich-erts.

Loo Hoo. @ 21

That was revolting to watch.

Jonathan, gotcha. What do you have in mind?

Well, this is one entertaining but scary take on it.

A little background – catching Gary Ridgway AKA The Green River Killer), which he finally did after more than a decade of looking for him, was about the only useful thing Reichert’s ever done.

Loo Hoo. @ 21

That was revolting to watch.

Jonathan, gotcha. What do you have in mind?

I’ve got 5 years till retirement.

I’ve saved.

IN 2012, I’ll move to Cochise County Arizona.

A great place environmentally. Low cost. Osama would never think of bombing it. Lots of hummingbirds and orioles.

Great weather.

Desert and mountains.

My plan — well it’s like the movie “On the Beach.”

dclawyer06 says
August 25th, 2007 at 6:24 pm

This is as damning a video montage as macaca-gate. Wow, did he just say all that aloud?

Stunning, huh? Just standing there in front of god and everybody, saying that his vote is always available – to The Leadership.

“And I just want to say to you, my constituents, to please just shut the fuck up. I don’t care about you, have never and will never care about you. I look forward to your continued contributions and support – I mean it; contribute NOW, godammit.”

TeddySanFran @ 13

Does anyone else smell a rat?

Donna Brazile, a member of the rules committee who argued for a swift and harsh punishment for Florida, said states’ desire to be more relevant in the nominating process does not excuse violations of rules intended to make the system fair for everyone.

“I understand how states crave to be first. I understand that they’re envious of the role that Iowa and New Hampshire have traditionally played,” said Brazile, who was Al Gore’s campaign manager in 2000. “The truth is, we had a process. . . . We’re going to back these rules.”

Forcing all the primaries to be on February Fifth doesn’t really make the system “fair for everyone,” does it? And the Rules Committee has had four years to get this right. And everyone seems to agree they got it wrong.

Defending your stupid rules, to the detriment of a state we really cannot afford to lose and which has a terrible property tax referendum on Primary Day, seems, well, sorta Vichy-like. She’s a CNN Democrat, and I don’t trust her.

Honestly, I just don’t get the jockeying for first being all that detrimental, I actually think its necessary to thresh the grain… If Florida’s delegates are ceremonial, per se, I really don’t see it as a major downfall to the nomination process! Florida’s primary results will still influence the process, ceremonially or not… Denver will be a coronation process only…!!!

OT and this may have been on an earlier thread but I just got here. I just saw this headline at Raw Story: “DC whispers: Chertoff may replace Gonzales” and here’s the link to the original article. But I do have a question about a recess appointment, wouldn’t W have to do it today or tomorrow since the Senate comes back on 4 Sep? I thought there was some sort of 10-day rule.

rxbusa @ 29

OT and this may have been on an earlier thread but I just got here. I just saw this headline at Raw Story: “DC whispers: Chertoff may replace Gonzales” and here’s the link to the original article. But I do have a question about a recess appointment, wouldn’t W have to do it today or tomorrow since the Senate comes back on 4 Sep? I thought there was some sort of 10-day rule.

You’re right and wrong, congress must be in recess for at least ten days for recess appointments… Shrub could recess appoint on the 3rd of Sep….!!!

Jonathan @ 26

Loo Hoo. @ 21

That was revolting to watch.

Jonathan, gotcha. What do you have in mind?

I’ve got 5 years till retirement.

I’ve saved.

IN 2012, I’ll move to Cochise County Arizona.

A great place environmentally. Low cost. Osama would never think of bombing it. Lots of hummingbirds and orioles.

Great weather.

Desert and mountains.

My plan — well it’s like the movie “On the Beach.”

Good for you! This is a much better idea than your scary one! Brrrrr. I’m hoping to retire in four….

It’s not about being first!

Have we come this far to have the nominee decided by February? Gimmy a freakin break.

We elected Howard Dean to be the Chairman of the Party over the objections of the people who are running this Florida scam.

What the hell is the sense of a nominee chosen in February for a convention near the end of July?

This is getting really silly.

rxbusa @ 29

OT and this may have been on an earlier thread but I just got here. I just saw this headline at Raw Story: “DC whispers: Chertoff may replace Gonzales” and here’s the link to the original article. But I do have a question about a recess appointment, wouldn’t W have to do it today or tomorrow since the Senate comes back on 4 Sep? I thought there was some sort of 10-day rule.

nope – no such rule. 5-day recess appointments have been upheld (and possibly even 3 – can’t remember). I’ve never seen a case finding that the recess period was too short so as to invalidate a recess appointment.

I had heard, however, that Harry Reid and GWB had a truce for the August recess – no recess appointments by Bush, and Harry wouldn’t open the Senate for business so as to preclude it.

Hmmm, CT and I seem to disagree…

jayt @ 33

rxbusa @ 29

OT and this may have been on an earlier thread but I just got here. I just saw this headline at Raw Story: “DC whispers: Chertoff may replace Gonzales” and here’s the link to the original article. But I do have a question about a recess appointment, wouldn’t W have to do it today or tomorrow since the Senate comes back on 4 Sep? I thought there was some sort of 10-day rule.

nope – no such rule. 5-day recess appointments have been upheld (and possibly even 3 – can’t remember). I’ve never seen a case finding that the recess period was too short so as to invalidate a recess appointment.

I had heard, however, that Harry Reid and GWB had a truce for the August recess – no recess appointments by Bush, and Harry wouldn’t open the Senate for business so as to preclude it.

Hmmm, CT and I seem to disagree…

I’ll defer to you…!!! 8-)

Would Congress approve Chertoff?

You can let Reichert and his boss, George W. Bush, know how you feel about their continued stewardship of the nation by giving to Darcy here.

I let them know.

Loo Hoo. @ 35

Would Congress approve Chertoff?

why not? what do they care?

Loo Hoo. @ 35

Would Congress approve Chertoff?

A recess appt. would preclude the Senate’s ‘Advise and Consent’ role…

Jonathan,
I just got here, so may I ask a question?
If the US is going to collapse, how is going to Arizona going to help?
Okay, Osama’s not going to bomb it, but it’s still part of US.

Ridgeway is a piker compared to Bush who mass and serially murdered 3,700 of our American soldiers in Iraq, over a million innocent Iraqi civilians, about a 1,000 Americans in New Orleans, a couple hundred thousand Afghani civilians, several hundred of our own soldiers in Afghanistan, a couple hundred Texas death row prisoners, about 2,700 people on 9/11/01, and who knows how many others that are on his evil, rotten, vile, disgusting corrupt soul when he faces his final judgment.

Riesz Fischer @ 17

TeddySanFran @ 13

Does anyone else smell a rat?
Forcing all the primaries to be on February Fifth doesn’t really make the system “fair for everyone,” does it? And the Rules Committee has had four years to get this right. And everyone seems to agree they got it wrong.

Defending your stupid rules, to the detriment of a state we really cannot afford to lose and which has a terrible property tax referendum on Primary Day, seems, well, sorta Vichy-like. She’s a CNN Democrat, and I don’t trust her.

I don’t think it’s going to mean we risk losing Florida. The point is that if Florida goes early it gives a big advantage to the front runners (Clinton and Giulianni). That’s bad on two counts– Clinton is conservative and hard to elect, and Giulianni is a serial killer like Gary Ridgeway.

Donna Brazile is caught in her own web. She was one of the primary movers of the current Dem political schedule in a drive to get Iowa and NH OUT of positions of influence and it backfired on her by making them more influential.

There are no moderate Republicans, and Democrats like McEnerney who reach out to this non-existent group will be derided by history as latter-day Chamberlains, as fools.

demi: My plan has been to move to rural area where i can grow food and keep costs as low as possible and not rely on systems that might go broke…..

I’ll defer to you…!!! 8-)

well, I *know* I saw one which upheld a 5-day recess appointment…

And I’ve got something rattling around in the back of my head that Chertoff’s past might not be all that clean either. Maybe an interesting hearing to come?

And, Hi Loo Hoo.
Back in the land of news now.
Why do we think Gonzalez is going anywhere? Catch me up, please.
(and thanks for the linky. not only were we front-paged, but I missed a job opportunity. Go figure. Had a great trip, tho.)

jayt @ 44

I’ll defer to you…!!! 8-)

well, I *know* I saw one which upheld a 5-day recess appointment…

And I’ve got something rattling around in the back of my head that Chertoff’s past might not be all that clean either. Maybe an interesting hearing to come?

I’m jonesin’ for a good hearing

ruffian @ 43

demi: My plan has been to move to rural area where i can grow food and keep costs as low as possible and not rely on systems that might go broke…..

Ah, got it. Just this morning I talked to my hub about turning the backyard into a winter garden.

jayt @ 33

rxbusa @ 29

OT and this may have been on an earlier thread but I just got here. I just saw this headline at Raw Story: “DC whispers: Chertoff may replace Gonzales” and here’s the link to the original article. But I do have a question about a recess appointment, wouldn’t W have to do it today or tomorrow since the Senate comes back on 4 Sep? I thought there was some sort of 10-day rule.

nope – no such rule. 5-day recess appointments have been upheld (and possibly even 3 – can’t remember). I’ve never seen a case finding that the recess period was too short so as to invalidate a recess appointment.

I had heard, however, that Harry Reid and GWB had a truce for the August recess – no recess appointments by Bush, and Harry wouldn’t open the Senate for business so as to preclude it.

Hmmm, CT and I seem to disagree…

thanks for the clarification. About that truce, what on earth makes anyone think W would stick by an agreement with Reid?

rxbusa @ 29

OT and this may have been on an earlier thread but I just got here. I just saw this headline at Raw Story: “DC whispers: Chertoff may replace Gonzales” and here’s the link to the original article. But I do have a question about a recess appointment, wouldn’t W have to do it today or tomorrow since the Senate comes back on 4 Sep? I thought there was some sort of 10-day rule.

Chertoff as AG?

Now THAT’S some scary shit, yo. Importing our own Central American policy. We’d all be Contras.

CTuttle @ 7

Jane, You Rawk!!!

CTuttle,
I still can’t see your comment on Rep. Hirono on the PDH website. Are you sure you “saved” or submitted your comment?

Bob in HI

I’m jonesin’ for a good hearing

Gawd, so am I.

I’m starting to get on my own nerves.

demi @ 45

And, Hi Loo Hoo.
Back in the land of news now.
Why do we think Gonzalez is going anywhere? Catch me up, please.
(and thanks for the linky. not only were we front-paged, but I missed a job opportunity. Go figure. Had a great trip, tho.)

I swear you two are serious rabble-rousers, I had a one-on-one with my Rep today, a true progressive after my own heart! She’s already got my vote…!!! ;-)

demi @ 45

Why do we think Gonzalez is going anywhere?

Exactly. You go with the crook you have and not the crook you would like to have. Besides why change crooks in midstream?

rxbusa @ 48

jayt @ 33

nope – no such rule. 5-day recess appointments have been upheld (and possibly even 3 – can’t remember). I’ve never seen a case finding that the recess period was too short so as to invalidate a recess appointment.

I had heard, however, that Harry Reid and GWB had a truce for the August recess – no recess appointments by Bush, and Harry wouldn’t open the Senate for business so as to preclude it.

Hmmm, CT and I seem to disagree…

thanks for the clarification. About that truce, what on earth makes anyone think W would stick by an agreement with Reid?

I gotta agree, who could ever trust GWB?

bobschacht
I was on vacation, so I’ll tell you now…good on ya for your reporting of your meeting. you rawk, too!
Walkin’ the talk. It’s good.

bobschacht @ 50

CTuttle @ 7

Jane, You Rawk!!!

CTuttle,
I still can’t see your comment on Rep. Hirono on the PDH website. Are you sure you “saved” or submitted your comment?

Bob in HI

Uh, submitted…!!!

About that truce, what on earth makes anyone think W would stick by an agreement with Reid?

A year and a half of GWB’s other nominations never even getting a hearing?

Boy, is Reichert has it all wrong. We’re nothing like serial killers. We plan to “kill” a whole lot of Republican congressional careers all on one day in Nov 08.

Hey demi! Did you get my email, girlscout?

jayt @ 51

I’m jonesin’ for a good hearing

Gawd, so am I.

I’m starting to get on my own nerves.

707!

Hugh @ 53

demi @ 45

Why do we think Gonzalez is going anywhere?

Exactly. You go with the crook you have and not the crook you would like to have. Besides why change crooks in midstream?

707!!!

persiflage @ 58

Boy, is Reichert has it all wrong. We’re nothing like serial killers. We plan to “kill” a whole lot of Republican congressional careers all on one day in Nov 08.

a spree!

Hugh @ 53

demi @ 45

Why do we think Gonzalez is going anywhere?

Exactly. You go with the crook you have and not the crook you would like to have. Besides why change crooks in midstream?

Well I guess if they are going to switch, they have to pick another “made guy” who can be trusted to keep the skeletons hidden…and one who will make the nefarious decisions on who to spy on just the way Big Time wants.

persiflage @ 58

Boy, is Reichert has it all wrong. We’re nothing like serial killers. We plan to “kill” a whole lot of Republican congressional careers all on one day in Nov 08.

G’day, Sheila, how’s the weather Downunder?

demi @ 39

Jonathan,
I just got here, so may I ask a question?
If the US is going to collapse, how is going to Arizona going to help?
Okay, Osama’s not going to bomb it, but it’s still part of US.

Demi,

In my opinion, the U.S. is in the process of collapsing.

What has driven the U.S. is ideas and free resources, supported by the Constitution.

There are no longer any worthwhile ideas. Resources are no longer free. The Constitution has been abandoned, by both political parties.

We are in a me-first environment. Me-first lasts only so long.

The U.S., as a shell, will hang on for maybe a generation longer, because of its military might.

The big question for today is, what takes the place of the U.S.?

Oh, and do you hear this question being debated today?

No. The only sound is that of steps heading for the exit.

Riesz Fischer @ 12

Have Tweety and Pumpkinhead shown this clip?

What about Keith Olbermann? A whole new “Worse Person in the World” competition next week.

And Jon Stewart ought to be able to do good things with it as well. [Colbert is off for two weeks.]

rxbusa @ 63

Hugh @ 53

Exactly. You go with the crook you have and not the crook you would like to have. Besides why change crooks in midstream?

Well I guess if they are going to switch, they have to pick another “made guy” who can be trusted to keep the skeletons hidden…and one who will make the nefarious decisions on who to spy on just the way Big Time wants.

It really is like they are “made”

CTuttle @ 38

Loo Hoo. @ 35

Would Congress approve Chertoff?

A recess appt. would preclude the Senate’s ‘Advise and Consent’ role…

I thought Reid made a deal with Georgie precluding any recess appointments? Of course, he never should have expected such a deal to stick. . . .

Bob in HI

Loo Hoo. @ 31

Jonathan @ 26

I’ve got 5 years till retirement.

I’ve saved.

IN 2012, I’ll move to Cochise County Arizona.

A great place environmentally. Low cost. Osama would never think of bombing it. Lots of hummingbirds and orioles.

Great weather.

Desert and mountains.

My plan — well it’s like the movie “On the Beach.”

Good for you! This is a much better idea than your scary one! Brrrrr. I’m hoping to retire in four….

Is there much noise from the bombing range?

If Reichert was such a great cop (his first, chosen job), why did it take him 20 YEARS to catch Ridgeway? Just that, in itself, makes him stupid and lame — and hardly a great cop. Gee! A regular, average crook has more brains than you, dunderhead.

He is a typical Republican — a whiny baby, just follows Bush, jumps as high as Bush tells him to. No thought.

I’m going to have to go get me a big piece of chocolate to make me feel better after viewing Smooth Dave.

Cochise County, Arizona.

Looks interesting.

Loo Hoo. @ 59

Hey demi! Did you get my email, girlscout?

I did. At midnight last night. Well, kinda, almost famous, like the movie. ha.
I ran in the house and jumped on the ‘puter. Saw Suzanne yesterday and she told me. But, yeah, girl. I guess we do rablerouse, huh?

Reichert says, “And in America, how hard is it for me to put my arm around a Democrat, if I could put my arm around Gary Ridgway? Right Norm?” Or…like putting your arm around George W Bush … now there’s a guy that knows about killing. After all he is the “WAR” president.

Al the Spook de-lurking with the post that will break your heart.

Not content with just ignoring the allegations of illegal weapons sales made by two whistleblower civilian DOD employees in Iraq, the US military there declared them enemy combatants and imprisoned them in the same facility that held saddam hussein for 97 days and subjected them to various forms of torture to get them to recant their stories and reveal their informants.

Now they are suing. This is just peachy.

Astral Technician @ 16

There comes a time when the 23%rs need a time out. I’ve come to the point where I’m very willing these days to put right wing bullsh!t in it’s place. I live on Staten Island and it is the only district in NYC with a Goper Representative.

The other day I got into a livery car and the driver had Sean Hannity on the radio. I told him, “Look, pal I’m an American and I don’t listen to Nazi propaganda, so please turn that shit off.”

His face was beet red for the next six miles, but the radio was turned off.

Beautiful! Thank you!

demi @ 45

And, Hi Loo Hoo.
Back in the land of news now.
Why do we think Gonzalez is going anywhere? Catch me up, please.
(and thanks for the linky. not only were we front-paged, but I missed a job opportunity. Go figure. Had a great trip, tho.)

The conflict of his testimony with Mueller’s notes and Comey’s recollections spells P-E-R-J-U-R-Y so clearly that even Blue Dogs and Republicans can understand.

Bob in HI

Another OT comment—sorry, but I’ve been off for a few days and this has really been frosting my butt and I gotta get it out of my system. This whole business about W’s ridiculous analogies comparing Iraq and Vietnam. I am astonished that people bother responding as if he is serious. It is such an obvious Rovian tactic to distract people by inciting the old arguments.

One big history lesson from all that: when people react in anger and fear, they are more susceptible to despots. Recent historical examples: US bombing of Cambodia and Pol Pot, or September 11 and George W Bush.

Mauimom @ 66

Riesz Fischer @ 12

Have Tweety and Pumpkinhead shown this clip?

What about Keith Olbermann? A whole new “Worse Person in the World” competition next week.

And Jon Stewart ought to be able to do good things with it as well. [Colbert is off for two weeks.]

Thanks, Mauimom. I feel better already. Of course I was joking– there’s no way either Tweety or Pumpkinhead would touch it, unless it was to laugh with them about it.

CTuttle @ 64

persiflage @ 58

Boy, is Reichert has it all wrong. We’re nothing like serial killers. We plan to “kill” a whole lot of Republican congressional careers all on one day in Nov 08.

G’day, Sheila, how’s the weather Downunder?

Today, rainy but not too cold. There is torrential rain and flooding in Queensland (north east, long way from me). Reading about Christy suffering in the heat and humidity reminded me of what’s around the corner.

And, oh yeah, did you catch that at the end? He compares Democrats to Gary Ridgway. A serial killer who pled guilty to the murders of nearly 50 women over two decades. Wait for it, at the end, after the ‘Anything else to add?’ line flashes on the clip:

Reichert says, “And in America, how hard is it for me to put my arm around a Democrat, if I could put my arm around Gary Ridgway?

And they accuse Democrats of being haters? As if a person couldn’t object to tons and tons of lies if hate didn’t fill their hearts? Reichert’s moral equivalence is far more hateful than the Democrats’ not turning a blind eye to Bush’s dishonesty.

demi @ 55

bobschacht
I was on vacation, so I’ll tell you now…good on ya for your reporting of your meeting. you rawk, too!
Walkin’ the talk. It’s good.

Thanks! CTuttle today, too.

Bob in HI

Is there much noise from the bombing range?

No, very quiet for the last few weeks, Steve. Is that a good sign?

ctuttle
ya got me going. the mister just left for music rehearsal. i asked him if i could go out and rabble rouse. huh? i told him there’s no rabble out there i want to rouse tonight. :)

Loo Hoo. @ 72

Cochise County, Arizona.

Looks interesting.

Loo Hoo,

Don’t promote it. It’s a treasure.

persiflage – Of course, you mean “bring to a timely conclusion…” those careers, no?

Jonathan,
I spent the last two days starring at 2,000 year old redwood trees and have been in a longer view state of mind. Thanks for snapping me back to reality.

I thought Reid made a deal with Georgie precluding any recess appointments? Of course, he never should have expected such a deal to stick. . . .

Bush probably wrote a signing statement when he made that agrement.

althespook @ 75

Al the Spook de-lurking with the post that will break your heart.

Not content with just ignoring the allegations of illegal weapons sales made by two whistleblower civilian DOD employees in Iraq, the US military there declared them enemy combatants and imprisoned them in the same facility that held saddam hussein for 97 days and subjected them to various forms of torture to get them to recant their stories and reveal their informants.

Now they are suing. This is just peachy.

Heh, I was waiting for that shoe to drop… As soon as I had read about it… Dod employees interrogated, should be some interesting reads for a while yet…!!! ;-)

Ah, demi, it was fun. Pointless, but fun!

demi @ 87

Jonathan,
I spent the last two days starring at 2,000 year old redwood trees and have been in a longer view state of mind. Thanks for snapping me back to reality.

Demi,

You’re welcome.

I for one am not excited about our nominee trying to win Florida in November 2008 after the DNC sends home a bunch of demoralized, unseated-in-Denver delegates and superdelegates. What message does it send to Floridians to have a swath of empty seats at our summer convention?

Seems to me this needs to be fixed without fingerpointing, although I still point a finger at Ms Brazile.

demi @ 84

ctuttle
ya got me going. the mister just left for music rehearsal. i asked him if i could go out and rabble rouse. huh? i told him there’s no rabble out there i want to rouse tonight. :)

707

CTuttle @ 89

althespook @ 75

Al the Spook de-lurking with the post that will break your heart.

Not content with just ignoring the allegations of illegal weapons sales made by two whistleblower civilian DOD employees in Iraq, the US military there declared them enemy combatants and imprisoned them in the same facility that held saddam hussein for 97 days and subjected them to various forms of torture to get them to recant their stories and reveal their informants.

Now they are suing. This is just peachy.

Heh, I was waiting for that shoe to drop… As soon as I had read about it… Dod employees interrogated, should be some interesting reads for a while yet…!!! ;-)

Who’s on this one? Is Waxman looking at it? Poor Waxman, overworked because his senate counterpart is worse than worthless.

Jonathan
I meant staring not starring. Some English major I am. Well, that was a long time ago.

GordonM @ 24

Loo Hoo. @ 21

That was revolting to watch.

Jonathan, gotcha. What do you have in mind?

Well, this is one entertaining but scary take on it.

And lest we not forget, The Doomsday Gap.

TeddySanFran @ 92

I for one am not excited about our nominee trying to win Florida in November 2008 after the DNC sends home a bunch of demoralized, unseated-in-Denver delegates and superdelegates. What message does it send to Floridians to have a swath of empty seats at our summer convention?

Seems to me this needs to be fixed without fingerpointing, although I still point a finger at Ms Brazile.

I agree. This whole mess is a republican dream come true. Why can’t we all just have our primary on the same date?

The Lurking Mod @ 86

persiflage – Of course, you mean “bring to a timely conclusion…” those careers, no?

Of course I do! That’s why I put it in inverted commas and referred to careers. Yes indeed, we wish, in a perfectly legal and acceptable way, bring many Republican congressional careers to a timely conclusion, in a manner which leaves said office-holders physically untouched. We want to see the effect said action has upon them. It’s more fun if they cry.

Judge Moonbox @ 88

I thought Reid made a deal with Georgie precluding any recess appointments? Of course, he never should have expected such a deal to stick. . . .

Bush probably wrote a signing statement when he made that agrement.

…or crossed his fingers behind his back!!!

TeddySanFran @ 92

I for one am not excited about our nominee trying to win Florida in November 2008 after the DNC sends home a bunch of demoralized, unseated-in-Denver delegates and superdelegates. What message does it send to Floridians to have a swath of empty seats at our summer convention?

Seems to me this needs to be fixed without fingerpointing, although I still point a finger at Ms Brazile.

As far as voter registration and vote counting, Florida is still part of the Old South. Let them fix things before attempting to be a bellwether of Democratic politics.

Loo Hoo. @ 90

Ah, demi, it was fun. Pointless, but fun!

Yes, indeedy, but, ya know, I’m even more focused on looking for the Made In China stickers now than before. So…and damn, it’s stopped me from buying a lot of sh*t.

Loo Hoo. @ 94

CTuttle @ 89

Heh, I was waiting for that shoe to drop… As soon as I had read about it… Dod employees interrogated, should be some interesting reads for a while yet…!!! ;-)

Who’s on this one? Is Waxman looking at it? Poor Waxman, overworked because his senate counterpart is worse than worthless.

You mean the Dynamic duo of LIEberman and Collins…

persiflage @ 98

Yes indeed, we wish, in a perfectly legal and acceptable way, bring many Republican congressional careers to a timely conclusion, in a manner which leaves said office-holders physically untouched. We want to see the effect said action has upon them. It’s more fun if they cry.

I’d pay good money to see this.
my bold

demi @ 95

Jonathan
I meant staring not starring. Some English major I am. Well, that was a long time ago.

I took it as staring at 2,000 year-old redwood trees and, at the same time, seing stars.

Seemed like a great experience to me.

wangdangdoodle @ 36

You can let Reichert and his boss, George W. Bush, know how you feel about their continued stewardship of the nation by giving to Darcy here.

I let them know.

So.did.I

Loo Hoo. @ 97

I agree. This whole mess is a republican dream come true. Why can’t we all just have our primary on the same date?

Because then the best fund raiser going into the primary is the almost certain winner. It’s all TV ads.

Who’s on this one? Is Waxman looking at it? Poor Waxman, overworked because his senate counterpart is worse than worthless.

Pardon my cynicism, but has anybody, anywhere been allowed in a U.S. Court to talk about the specifics of the ‘not-torture’ they were subjected to? I’d love to see Waxman take it on, but I just don’t see a meaningful, *public* hearing with any specifics allowed.

Secret! Secret! No Fair – National Security! Secret!

The Lurking Mod @ 86

persiflage – Of course, you mean “bring to a timely conclusion…” those careers, no?

Dang, finicky aren’t we…?!!! *g*

Crooks and Liars:

One after another, the men and women who have stepped forward to report corruption in the massive effort to rebuild Iraq have been vilified, fired and demoted. Or worse.

For daring to report illegal arms sales, Navy veteran Donald Vance says he was imprisoned by the American military in a security compound outside Baghdad and subjected to harsh interrogation methods.

There were times, huddled on the floor in solitary confinement with that head-banging music blaring dawn to dusk and interrogators yelling the same questions over and over, that Vance began to wish he had just kept his mouth shut.

For his trouble, he says, he got 97 days in Camp Cropper, an American military prison outside Baghdad that once held Saddam Hussein, and he was classified a security detainee.

Also held was colleague Nathan Ertel, who helped Vance gather evidence documenting the sales, according to a federal lawsuit both have filed in Chicago, alleging they were illegally imprisoned and subjected to physical and mental interrogation tactics “reserved for terrorists and so-called enemy combatants

newtonusr @ 103

persiflage @ 98

…It’s more fun if they cry.

I’d pay good money to see this.
my bold

Psst. Got some bootleg Boehner videos for ya’…

TeddySanFran @ 92

I for one am not excited about our nominee trying to win Florida in November 2008 after the DNC sends home a bunch of demoralized, unseated-in-Denver delegates and superdelegates. What message does it send to Floridians to have a swath of empty seats at our summer convention?

Seems to me this needs to be fixed without fingerpointing, although I still point a finger at Ms Brazile.

Especially after DFH anti-war protesters get their heads busted protesting at the convention, prompting Wolf Blitzer to do a series of reports on Democrats In Disarray. The Democrats are too disorderly to run the country in these unsettled times. We need a new, strong leader to make the trains run on time. America’s Mayor!

Jonathan @ 104

demi @ 95

Jonathan
I meant staring not starring. Some English major I am. Well, that was a long time ago.

I took it as staring at 2,000 year-old redwood trees and, at the same time, seing stars.

Seemed like a great experience to me.

It was. Big Basin, below San Francisco. It Was incredible. And the smell. I could suck that redwood scent up all the time.

Teddy San Fran@92

Sorry, Friend.

It’s the Democratic National Committee that sets the rules. Florida is already a national laughing stock that needs to be seriously slapped upside the head. Fast.

As far as I’m concerned, this is a DLC ploy to weaken Dean’s influence in the process. Phuque Carville. It ain’t gonna happen.

Five primary days, starting mid-February, every other Tuesday, with states assigned randomly on November First of the year before election day. Ten states per Tuesday; all primaries completed by May First.

That’s my plan.

Astral Technician @ 16

There comes a time when the 23%rs need a time out. I’ve come to the point where I’m very willing these days to put right wing bullsh!t in it’s place. I live on Staten Island and it is the only district in NYC with a Goper Representative.

The other day I got into a livery car and the driver had Sean Hannity on the radio. I told him, “Look, pal I’m an American and I don’t listen to Nazi propaganda, so please turn that shit off.”

His face was beet red for the next six miles, but the radio was turned off.

I had a somewhat similar experience in the post office the other day. They have a TV up on the wall there with close captioned words underneath for people to watch while they are waiting in line. I asked the postal employee behind the counter whose choice was it to put it on FOX news. He seemed a little caught off guard by my question and I might add that he seemed almost nervous. He said he wasn’t sure and he thought it was the postmaster. I wasn’t as forthright as you though. I just said with a note of disgust in my voice that I hate FOX news. Then I said I will be writing a letter to the postmaster and left.

TeddySanFran @ 114

Five primary days, starting mid-February, every other Tuesday, with states assigned randomly on November First of the year before election day. Ten states per Tuesday; all primaries completed by May First.

That’s my plan.

I second my esteemed colleague’s motion.

From the National Review:

When I asked Mark Gersh, one of the Democrats’ best electoral analysts, for his view of how the political landscape has shifted, he basically agreed with Mehlman, and offered his own perspective on Rove’s vision of realignment. “September 11 is what made them, and Iraq is what undermined them, and the truth lies in between the two—and that is that both parties are at parity,” Gersh told me. “There was never any indication that the Republicans were emerging as the majority party. What was happening was that partisanship was actually hardening. Fewer people in both parties were voting for candidates of the other party.” Gersh added that he doesn’t believe Democrats are the majority party, and he gives Republicans “at worst a 4-in-10 chance” of holding the presidency in 2008. Even if Rove didn’t create a generational shift to the Republican Party, so far at least he does not appear to have ushered in a Democratic one, either.

jayt @ 107

Who’s on this one? Is Waxman looking at it? Poor Waxman, overworked because his senate counterpart is worse than worthless.

Pardon my cynicism, but has anybody, anywhere been allowed in a U.S. Court to talk about the specifics of the ‘not-torture’ they were subjected to? I’d love to see Waxman take it on, but I just don’t see a meaningful, *public* hearing with any specifics allowed.

Secret! Secret! No Fair – National Security! Secret!

I tells ya, the Ninth Circuit was not impressed with the Guv’ment!!!

I’d get behind your plan, Teddy. Why is this all so difficult?

I kid of like the idea of having several ’super Tuesday’ primaries, spread out over three months from, say, February through April.New Hampshire and Iowa can continue their silliness about being first by being in the first one. They just won’t be the ‘only’ ones that day.

Loo Hoo. @ 119

I’d get behind your plan, Teddy. Why is this all so difficult?

Because people like Donna Brazile are in charge!

cleter @ 116

TeddySanFran @ 114

Five primary days, starting mid-February, every other Tuesday, with states assigned randomly on November First of the year before election day. Ten states per Tuesday; all primaries completed by May First.
Okay, I’m dense. Why start so early?

That’s my plan.

I second my esteemed colleague’s motion.

GordonM @ 106

Loo Hoo. @ 97

I agree. This whole mess is a republican dream come true. Why can’t we all just have our primary on the same date?

Because then the best fund raiser going into the primary is the almost certain winner. It’s all TV ads.

And I say again, if the primaries were all held on the same day, no candidate would receive 50% of the delegates. Which would mean an old fashioned convention where the back room bosses would broker a deal on the second, third, or twelfth ballot, negating all the votes just as easily and readily as the process does today.

Be sure to write that letter mls, and get your friends to do so also.

newtonusr @ 103

persiflage @ 98

Yes indeed, we wish, in a perfectly legal and acceptable way, bring many Republican congressional careers to a timely conclusion, in a manner which leaves said office-holders physically untouched. We want to see the effect said action has upon them. It’s more fun if they cry.

I’d pay good money to see this.
my bold

I remember years ago a politician here who I disliked intensely lost the election. It was worth all the suffering under his leadership just to watch his bottom lip quivering as he blinked back the tears. Funnily enough, I really like him now a he’s become quite the statesman and advocate for human rights.

TeddySanFran @ 114

Five primary days, starting mid-February, every other Tuesday, with states assigned randomly on November First of the year before election day. Ten states per Tuesday; all primaries completed by May First.

That’s my plan.

And national elections on July 1,2, and 3 – winner announced on July 4th. No early results or exit polling to be broadcast before polls close on July 3.

$2,000 tax deduction for all citizens who vote.

That’s my okay, a friend of mine’s, plan. I like it though.

cleter @ 116

TeddySanFran @ 114

Five primary days, starting mid-February, every other Tuesday, with states assigned randomly on November First of the year before election day. Ten states per Tuesday; all primaries completed by May First.

That’s my plan.

I second my esteemed colleague’s motion.

Excellent idea! Ergo far too sensible to be adopted.

TeddySanFran @ 114

Five primary days, starting mid-February, every other Tuesday, with states assigned randomly on November First of the year before election day. Ten states per Tuesday; all primaries completed by May First.

That’s my plan.

A paragraph from a remarkable essay:

When some of the egalitarians of the past took a look at this frustrating situation, they decided the only way to alter it was to have a preliminary election for each party, which came to be called a primary. This system in effect allows leftists and liberals to duke it in out in one set of primaries, and moderate conservatives and ultraconservatives to go at it in the other set. Primaries were first instituted by reformers in Wisconsin in 1903, and then spread to the prairie states, where the northern European immigrants with soc*al*st and radical farmer roots thought they were receiving a raw deal from corporations and big farmers. Primaries also came to be used in the South along about the same time by very different people for very different reasons — they were a way to exclude African-Americans from power. These “white primaries,” often operated under the fiction that they were merely a party function, were the final step in the disenfranchisement of African-Americans in the late nineteenth century. They were not banned by the Supreme Court until 1944.

I don’t know how to reform the primary system. But it ain’t that simple.

~~~ModNote: Edited for content to clear filters.~~~

I would like to thank my legislature for passing the Florida Laughingstock Act of 2007.

So, what will happen? Elected delegates will be turned away, replaced by hand-picked shills? Will we have some sort of tainted convention? That’ll be great.

P J Evans @ 120

I kid of like the idea of having several ’super Tuesday’ primaries, spread out over three months from, say, February through April.New Hampshire and Iowa can continue their silliness about being first by being in the first one. They just won’t be the ‘only’ ones that day.

I’ll concede them their first in the nation laws, however, I do like the alternating Tuesdays with ten or so states voting…

persiflage @ 124

I remember years ago a politician here who I disliked intensely lost the election. It was worth all the suffering under his leadership just to watch his bottom lip quivering as he blinked back the tears. Funnily enough, I really like him now a he’s become quite the statesman and advocate for human rights.

Untethered, as it were. Good for him.

LooHoo,
I guess with Henry being so busy oversighting, he won’t have time to have lunch with me, yeah?
(warning folks, I just opened the pinot grigrio. somebody stop me.)

Astral Technician and mls –

THANK YOU! We all need to do that. For far too long, the left-leaners were silent, while the GOP imbeciles speak out, usually loudly, or at least have their car radios/public teevees tuned to this garbage. And Democrats are “too polite” to speak up.

Polite? Do you want to be POLITE or have a Democracy? It is that simple.

I can assure you that if the lefties acted as these 2 did, things would change.

newtonusr @ 130

persiflage @ 124

I remember years ago a politician here who I disliked intensely lost the election. It was worth all the suffering under his leadership just to watch his bottom lip quivering as he blinked back the tears. Funnily enough, I really like him now a he’s become quite the statesman and advocate for human rights.

Untethered, as it were. Good for him.

I really wanted to see W’s graceless, tear-stained concession speech in 2004. Possibly with some Jim Beam projectile vomiting. I feel cheated.

demi @ 131

LooHoo,
I guess with Henry being so busy oversighting, he won’t have time to have lunch with me, yeah?
(warning folks, I just opened the pinot grigrio. somebody stop me.)

move away from the grigio, demi. don’t make me come over there.

ccmask @ 117

From the National Review:

When I asked Mark Gersh, one of the Democrats’ best electoral analysts, for his view of how the political landscape has shifted, he basically agreed with Mehlman…

Sure, if the National Review thinks he’s “one of the Democrats’ best electoral analysts,” it must be true, right? A quick Google reveals he has articles published by the DLC, and is most referenced by conservative blogs and magazines. What a surprise!

You can clap all you want, wingers, Tinkerbell is still dead!

jayt, I love your buddy’s plan! But those exit polls are going to be really important…if there are no paper trails.

$2,000 tax deduction for all citizens who vote.
What an incredibly great idea, except They don’t want us to vote.

cleter @ 128

I would like to thank my legislature for passing the Florida Laughingstock Act of 2007.

So, what will happen? Elected delegates will be turned away, replaced by hand-picked shills? Will we have some sort of tainted convention? That’ll be great.

Well, someone has to blink here. It won’t be Howard Dean. He gave up 08 for the DNC Chair. He’s got all the cards. We gave them to him.

I’m not about to be questioning our ace in the hole on this one.

demi @ 131

LooHoo,
I guess with Henry being so busy oversighting, he won’t have time to have lunch with me, yeah?
(warning folks, I just opened the pinot grigrio. somebody stop me.)

Check with his staff, and his wife!

althespook @ 75

Al the Spook de-lurking with the post that will break your heart.

Not content with just ignoring the allegations of illegal weapons sales made by two whistleblower civilian DOD employees in Iraq, the US military there declared them enemy combatants and imprisoned them in the same facility that held saddam hussein for 97 days and subjected them to various forms of torture to get them to recant their stories and reveal their informants.

Now they are suing. This is just peachy.

Althespook the AP and Forbes? ( a money magazine with a defintly pro republican readership), they are reporting this story? Just how far to the left are the American people if Forbes is printing this. Or has Steven Forbes had a Paul to Damascus conversion?
Just how far to the right are the Democrats if they keep doing nothing about this?
Just how far to the right are the Democrats if they all rush to support the Surge ahead of the facts “cough” report on the surge.
I think all war proffiters should be tried for treason and their proffits siezed under those very laws/Presidential decrees Bush passed that make giving to groups opposed to the Iraqi government illegal.
The only way to get our civil liberties back is to threaten a Republicans civil liberties.

Loo Hoo. @ 139

demi @ 131

LooHoo,
I guess with Henry being so busy oversighting, he won’t have time to have lunch with me, yeah?
(warning folks, I just opened the pinot grigrio. somebody stop me.)

Check with his staff, and his wife!

I kowtow to my master.

althespook @ 135

demi @ 131

LooHoo,
I guess with Henry being so busy oversighting, he won’t have time to have lunch with me, yeah?
(warning folks, I just opened the pinot grigrio. somebody stop me.)

move away from the grigio, demi. don’t make me come over there.

Al, if you lived in LA, I’d seriously make you come over here and ’splain the universe to me.

The trouble with these months-drawn-out primaries is that most citizens cannot vote for who they like. Last time, I wanted to vote for Howard Dean, but by the time my primary came, the choice had been made.

This is not democracy.

demi @ 131

LooHoo,
I guess with Henry being so busy oversighting, he won’t have time to have lunch with me, yeah?
(warning folks, I just opened the pinot grigrio. somebody stop me.)

Demi, it’s Saturday Night Live, why on earth would we want to hold ya back… (well, it’s not quite Sat. Nite here in Hawaii, but, what the heck, Cheers!!!)

things come undone @ 140

althespook @ 75

Al the Spook de-lurking with the post that will break your heart.

Not content with just ignoring the allegations of illegal weapons sales made by two whistleblower civilian DOD employees in Iraq, the US military there declared them enemy combatants and imprisoned them in the same facility that held saddam hussein for 97 days and subjected them to various forms of torture to get them to recant their stories and reveal their informants.

Now they are suing. This is just peachy.

Althespook the AP and Forbes? ( a money magazine with a defintly pro republican readership), they are reporting this story? Just how far to the left are the American people if Forbes is printing this. Or has Steven Forbes had a Paul to Damascus conversion?
Just how far to the right are the Democrats if they keep doing nothing about this?
Just how far to the right are the Democrats if they all rush to support the Surge ahead of the facts “cough” report on the surge.
I think all war proffiters should be tried for treason and their proffits siezed under those very laws/Presidential decrees Bush passed that make giving to groups opposed to the Iraqi government illegal.
The only way to get our civil liberties back is to threaten a Republicans civil liberties.

yah, on all your points. my personal intuition is that even the rethugs are getting scared of chimpy and his gang now. i only hope its not too late (although the rumor about ditching gonzo is an indication all is not well in chimpy land, if it pans out (i predicted it on my blog, btw (click my login name to go there and scroll down to “bedtime for gonzo”)) [/blogwhore]

Loo Hoo. @ 136

jayt, I love your buddy’s plan! But those exit polls are going to be really important…if there are no paper trails.

exit polling data just wouldn’t be released while the election was still in progress… after the polls are fully and finally closed, no problem.

Honestly,

If you don’t back Dean on this Florida thing, the DLC will blow the entire election. If this learned community can’t smell the stench of this DLC ploy from a mile away, we may as well toss it in now and go home.

Astral Technician @ 138

cleter @ 128

I would like to thank my legislature for passing the Florida Laughingstock Act of 2007.

So, what will happen? Elected delegates will be turned away, replaced by hand-picked shills? Will we have some sort of tainted convention? That’ll be great.

Well, someone has to blink here. It won’t be Howard Dean. He gave up 08 for the DNC Chair. He’s got all the cards. We gave them to him.

I’m not about to be questioning our ace in the hole on this one.

Oh, I trust Dean. Don’t get me wrong. I’m just worried that it could spiral out of control. It’s being spun here as “the Democrats hate Floridians.” Which is not good.

demi @ 142

althespook @ 135

move away from the grigio, demi. don’t make me come over there.

Al, if you lived in LA, I’d seriously make you come over here and ’splain the universe to me.

i’m a virgin, Demi. I don’t do that sort of stuff. I’m saving myself for marriage, that’s my story and I’m sticking to it. (actually I’d be delighted…)

newtonusr @ 130

persiflage @ 124

I remember years ago a politician here who I disliked intensely lost the election. It was worth all the suffering under his leadership just to watch his bottom lip quivering as he blinked back the tears. Funnily enough, I really like him now a he’s become quite the statesman and advocate for human rights.

Untethered, as it were. Good for him.

I think an election result that said to him “Your fellow Australians detest you and have elected your opponent in a landslide victory” was a very big reality check. Now, if I see an op-ed by him in the newspaper I read it eagerly cause he’s on the side of the angels now.

cleter @ 134

I really wanted to see W’s graceless, tear-stained concession speech in 2004. Possibly with some Jim Beam projectile vomiting. I feel cheated.

we were cheated.

Hey, folks,
Pissed off at Chainy, Boosh, or Gonzo?
Wanna write some Articles of Impeachment, but don’t know how?
I gotcher Impeachment Writing Primer right HERE.

And to make things easy for you, check elsewhere on the Priming the Pump site for evidence you can use. There’s lots to choose from.

Oh, and please leave your comments on the “Discussion” tab of the “How to write…” page.

Bob in HI
Your helpful impeachment-monger

Astral Technician @ 147

Honestly,

If you don’t back Dean on this Florida thing, the DLC will blow the entire election. If this learned community can’t smell the stench of this DLC ploy from a mile away, we may as well toss it in now and go home.

Is there something we should, you know, do? What can I do? Write my state legislator? It was the GOP state legislature that moved the primary day.

CTuttle,
Ya man. I had the sweetest Redwood Creek Grigio in the forest and I guess I’m trying to keep that state of mind going.
Cheers back attcha.

jayt @ 146

Loo Hoo. @ 136

jayt, I love your buddy’s plan! But those exit polls are going to be really important…if there are no paper trails.

exit polling data just wouldn’t be released while the election was still in progress… after the polls are fully and finally closed, no problem.

Nation-wide? Hawaii, doesn’t close it’s polls till 1800 HST (2400 ET) be wary…

cleter –

“It’s being spun here as “the Democrats hate Floridians.” Which is not good.”

No matter what, they will always spin it. Always. Just do the right thing, fight back HARD … and never react according to what THEY do.

Loo Hoo. @ 140

demi @ 131

LooHoo,
I guess with Henry being so busy oversighting, he won’t have time to have lunch with me, yeah?
(warning folks, I just opened the pinot grigrio. somebody stop me.)

Check with his staff, and his wife!

how double was that entendre?

ccmask @ 117

From the National Review:

When I asked Mark Gersh, one of the Democrats’ best electoral analysts, for his view of how the political landscape has shifted, he basically agreed with Mehlman, and offered his own perspective on Rove’s vision of realignment. “September 11 is what made them, and Iraq is what undermined them, and the truth lies in between the two—and that is that both parties are at parity,” Gersh told me. “There was never any indication that the Republicans were emerging as the majority party. What was happening was that partisanship was actually hardening. Fewer people in both parties were voting for candidates of the other party.” Gersh added that he doesn’t believe Democrats are the majority party, and he gives Republicans “at worst a 4-in-10 chance” of holding the presidency in 2008. Even if Rove didn’t create a generational shift to the Republican Party, so far at least he does not appear to have ushered in a Democratic one, either.

Bipartisanship was a unusual consequence of bizarre political alliances. Rove’s attempt to create a permanent majority relied on being able to split off groups of single interest voters from Dems and Indeps. Not realizing that (a) many of them were highly antithetical to each other and (b) that the “most important issue” to any voter changes rather easily.

That an agnostic was going for the “God” vote and closetted gays were going for the anti-gay vote should be an indication of just how “permanent” his supposed alliance could be.

Elliott @ 157

Loo Hoo. @ 140

Check with his staff, and his wife!

how double was that entendre?

A young lady friend of mine went into a bar and asked the bartender for a double entendre so he gave her one.

Oh, I trust Dean. Don’t get me wrong. I’m just worried that it could spiral out of control. It’s being spun here as “the Democrats hate Floridians.” Which is not good.

It’s not about the msm spin anymore. It spins on our dime now. That’s something progressives really need to start getting used to.

This bullshit in Florida is a laboratory for the DLC attack on us in the coming election. It must not stand. It don’t take a street musician to figure it out. We’re being had by the Blue Lapdogs.

persiflage @ 124

newtonusr @ 103

I’d pay good money to see this.
my bold

I remember years ago a politician here who I disliked intensely lost the election. It was worth all the suffering under his leadership just to watch his bottom lip quivering as he blinked back the tears. Funnily enough, I really like him now a he’s become quite the statesman and advocate for human rights.

Watching George Allen’s stunned look as he could just not believe that he could have lost was definitely one of the highlights of election night ‘06. Somehow, though, I don’t think he’s going to turn out as well as your guy.

cleter : I really wanted to see W’s graceless, tear-stained concession speech in 2004. Possibly with some Jim Beam projectile vomiting. I feel cheated.

Darn those term limits! Now we’ll have to wait years until they drag him off to the Hague.

Astral Technician @ 16

There comes a time when the 23%rs need a time out. I’ve come to the point where I’m very willing these days to put right wing bullsh!t in it’s place. I live on Staten Island and it is the only district in NYC with a Goper Representative.

The other day I got into a livery car and the driver had Sean Hannity on the radio. I told him, “Look, pal I’m an American and I don’t listen to Nazi propaganda, so please turn that shit off.”

His face was beet red for the next six miles, but the radio was turned off.

Applause! Cheers!

demi @ 154

CTuttle,
Ya man. I had the sweetest Redwood Creek Grigio in the forest and I guess I’m trying to keep that state of mind going.
Cheers back attcha.

Dang, and Suzanne never kissed and told…!!! :P

Nation-wide? Hawaii, doesn’t close it’s polls till 1800 HST (2400 ET) be wary…

So the result could be announced at 12:01 A.M. on July 4th! Sounds like a party!

Elliot, oh, man, I thought the same thing. Must be the grigio kicking in. I’m bad.
And, Al, brainy guys have always turned me on.
Again, must be the grigio talkin’.
Rabblerousing on line can’t get me in trouble, right?

demi @ 167

Elliot, oh, man, I thought the same thing. Must be the grigio kicking in. I’m bad.
And, Al, brainy guys have always turned me on.
Again, must be the grigio talkin’.
Rabblerousing on line can’t get me in trouble, right?

I’ll confess to a burgundy.

CTuttle @ 165

demi @ 154

CTuttle,
Ya man. I had the sweetest Redwood Creek Grigio in the forest and I guess I’m trying to keep that state of mind going.
Cheers back attcha.

Dang, and Suzanne never kissed and told…!!! :P

In your dreams, baby.
When I get the roll of film developed I’ll post the shots.

althespook @ 159

Elliott @ 157

how double was that entendre?

A young lady friend of mine went into a bar and asked the bartender for a double entendre so he gave her one.

“ya want that straight up?”

Dang, Redshift. That was some feeling of victory, wasn’t it…watching Macaca in person!

jayt @ 170

althespook @ 159

A young lady friend of mine went into a bar and asked the bartender for a double entendre so he gave her one.

“ya want that straight up?”

on the rocks

Must be the full moon comin’ on, but y’all are nasty tonight.

jayt @ 165

Nation-wide? Hawaii, doesn’t close it’s polls till 1800 HST (2400 ET) be wary…

So the result could be announced at 12:01 A.M. on July 4th! Sounds like a party!

Hmmm… now that you mention it, I wouldn’t already know the outcome like I’ve traditionally have done, Ohio did represent a glitch within the tradition…

cleter @ 134

I really wanted to see W’s graceless, tear-stained concession speech in 2004. Possibly with some Jim Beam projectile vomiting. I feel cheated.

I stocked up on all kinds of alcohol for just that viewing. I drank it. All. And never even felt a buzz.

Bob — a couple of days ago in the “Greed” thread, you had a comment on Bush’s idea of freedom being greed, but the thread ended before I got a chance to reply. I was wondering if you’d seen this. I think some of the cheerleading for Lakoff’s work is overblown, but he seems spot-on here.

jayt @ 165

Nation-wide? Hawaii, doesn’t close it’s polls till 1800 HST (2400 ET) be wary…

So the result could be announced at 12:01 A.M. on July 4th! Sounds like a party!

Now you’re reminding me of Marcy with the military time thingy.

demi @ 173

Must be the full moon comin’ on, but y’all are nasty tonight.

nah, but full moon the 28th — with eclipse.

demi @ 168

CTuttle @ 165

Dang, and Suzanne never kissed and told…!!! :P

In your dreams, baby.
When I get the roll of film developed I’ll post the shots.

Heh, Suzanne did confess it was one of the times she didn’t object to the shutter!!! C’mon, I’m a’waiting… ;-)

Should we warn TRex, or just let him figure it out.
And, hey guys, walking the Redwood Trail, I saw a redwood stump that looked just like TRex, but I didn’t have my camera with me.
You can take the girl away from the Lake, but you can’t take the Lake outta the girl.

Astral Technician @ 16

There comes a time when the 23%rs need a time out. I’ve come to the point where I’m very willing these days to put right wing bullsh!t in it’s place. I live on Staten Island and it is the only district in NYC with a Goper Representative.

The other day I got into a livery car and the driver had Sean Hannity on the radio. I told him, “Look, pal I’m an American and I don’t listen to Nazi propaganda, so please turn that shit off.”

His face was beet red for the next six miles, but the radio was turned off.

Fukin’ A!

Elliott @ 177

demi @ 173

Must be the full moon comin’ on, but y’all are nasty tonight.

nah, but full moon the 28th — with eclipse.

Hmmm… Nite after my birthday….

cleter @ 129

I would like to thank my legislature for passing the Florida Laughingstock Act of 2007.

So, what will happen? Elected delegates will be turned away, replaced by hand-picked shills? Will we have some sort of tainted convention? That’ll be great.

“DNC to Florida Democrats: Not So Fast”

After pondering Jane’s post earlier and some of the comments there (like Susan S at 44) on the above subject, my reading of the Florida tea leaves looks like this:

1. MS. Inevitability’s friendly Florida Dem Legislators decided to help seal her inevitability by seeing if they could pump her up with a big “1st Out of the Box” win in a big state primary with mucho delegates.

2. As opposed to coming in 2nd or 3rd in previously earlier “itty-bitty” delegate states like Iowa and New Hampshire.

3. Howard Dean – DNC Chairman, who ain’t ever been in the same political/philosophical zip code as MS. Inevitability, and who just might harbor a wee bit of ill will toward Clintonistas for being amongst the heaviest of hitters who helped to derail his 2000 Prez campaign, plays a mean game of chicken chess and decides to call Florida’s bluff by nuking all of their pawns.

And now it is MS. Inevitability’s move.

Or as Howard might put it, “Check, and we ain’t mating!”

Wasn’t Mars supposed to be doing something tonight?

demi @ 180

Should we warn TRex, or just let him figure it out.
And, hey guys, walking the Redwood Trail, I saw a redwood stump that looked just like TRex, but I didn’t have my camera with me.
You can take the girl away from the Lake, but you can’t take the Lake outta the girl.

A stump is better than nothing, especially a redwood stump.

demi @ 166

Elliot, oh, man, I thought the same thing. Must be the grigio kicking in. I’m bad.
And, Al, brainy guys have always turned me on.
Again, must be the grigio talkin’.
Rabblerousing on line can’t get me in trouble, right?

Absolutely nacht und nebel, fraulein. now put on your coat and come along with the nice gentlemen in the jackboots.

demi @ 173

Must be the full moon comin’ on, but y’all are nasty tonight.

Me?

When it comes to the foul, vicious scumbag cowards of the ReichWing….

I’m nasty ALL THE TIME!

Slightly off topic-we here in Louisiana are careening madly towards electing a new Governor. Right now, big surprise, Bobby Jindal is kicking ass and taking names. The opposition? Walter Boasso, who up until a few weeks ago was a Rep, but is now a Dem, and John Georges, who is still trying to decide if he is Dem, Rep or Ind. Since we have an open primary system, party switching is a proud tradition here. I heard a talking head yesterday mention that there are as many registered Independents as there are Reps. I tried to call in and ask him how many so-called Independents voted Rep vs. Dem. but couldn’t get through.

There has been much hue and cry regarding the ad against Jindal quoting his views on protestant religons. Astoundingly, those most apalled are Reps, who claim that these writings should have no effect on his ability to govern the state. But then, these are likely the same 66% (not a typo) who think that David diaper-boy Vitter is doing a bang-up job and should run again next term. Since the political landscape has shifted so dramatically post K, it looks as though Jindal will win this time. The sad part is that even after the feds have screwed us over again and again, Jindal just keeps making excuses. It is like watching someone get beat up repeatedly by a spouse and yet they keep going back for another round.

jayt @ 169

althespook @ 159

A young lady friend of mine went into a bar and asked the bartender for a double entendre so he gave her one.

“ya want that straight up?”

“nah, with a twist!”

Astral Technician @ 184

Wasn’t Mars supposed to be doing something tonight?

Astro-news!

Some of you may have received emails this month about Mars appearing to be the size of the full moon at the end of the month, much like some of you probably did LAST August. You may have also seen postings elsewhere about it. Please be aware that this is not true. The only way Mars would ever appear that large to us here on Earth is through a telescope with really, really, really, really large magnification power. It will appear to the naked eye as a point of light, just like most of the stars do, even on August 27th. It is too small and will always be too far for it to appear otherwise. Now, it is true that Mars does, at times, come closer to Earth. December 18th, Mars will make its closest approach to Earth, hardly a stones throw at around 55 million miles.

I didn’t get to say Happy Birthday, CTuttle!!!

Three exclamation points in your honor, sir!!!

Jonathan @ 26

Loo Hoo. @ 21

That was revolting to watch.

Jonathan, gotcha. What do you have in mind?

I’ve got 5 years till retirement.

I’ve saved.

IN 2012, I’ll move to Cochise County Arizona.

A great place environmentally. Low cost. Osama would never think of bombing it. Lots of hummingbirds and orioles.

Great weather.

Desert and mountains.

My plan — well it’s like the movie “On the Beach.”

Jonathon – You might want to rethink that one. Ft. Huachuka, a huge Army/military intel facility with a giant private setup known as ManTech, that is basically the Haliburton/Blackwater of datamining and digital wiretapping right next door, are both there. Not sure of this one, but I think there are still active ICBM silos there as well.

althespook @ 188

jayt @ 169

“ya want that straight up?”

“nah, with a twist!”

“salt the rim?”

Loo Hoo. @ 190

I didn’t get to say Happy Birthday, CTuttle!!!

Three exclamation points in your honor, sir!!!

Kinda early, Loo Hoo, 27th!!!

Mad Dogs@83

Exactly. And any animosity on Dean’s part is more than justified, however I’ve never seen him act in any way that in any way hinted at a lack of professionalism. (Can you say Carville?)

Dean needs to know that we’re with him on this or the blogs can kiss their influence on this election goodbye.

Oh, wait. Kositstan is mainstreaming this from what I’ve heard. I don’t go there anymore.

Loo Hoo. @ 171

Dang, Redshift. That was some feeling of victory, wasn’t it…watching Macaca in person!

Yeah! It was almost worth having the election be so close, just to get to watch him do it twice.

jayt @ 192

althespook @ 188

“nah, with a twist!”

“salt the rim?”

“only if its rock salt” (we’re gonna get in trouble jayt, i just know we are…)

These are 8 pointers from the GOP Media firm handling Rudy’s campaign:

How do Howell and his colleagues do it? For some insight, I recommend taking a look at the eight “rules of engagement” outlined under “Our Philosophy” on the Howell & Co. Web site. I’ve added some clarifying comments in italics.

1. All politics is local. Know the audience and what moves them.
Identify their fears and prejudices

2. Keep it fresh. Must be interesting for the viewer – creativity works.
Bend the rules to get their attention

3. Be innovative. Look for new ways to deliver a message effectively.
Figure out what imagery will most effectively overcome rational self-interest and provoke visceral reactions

4. Dictate, don’t react. Set the terms of the debate and work to define what the campaign is about.
Identify the wedge issues and make sure they have nothing to do with reality

5. Don’t be predictable. In order to reach voters sometimes you have to be willing to adapt and adjust to convey your core principles.
Be flexible and opportunistic in creating your attack ads and never stray from core principles like scaring voters about taxes, gays, terrorists and illegal immigrants

6. Pay attention to the research. It can help you on the road to victory.
Dig up the dirt and use it, for God’s sake

7. Be absolutely credible.
Lie or at least mislead with the utmost sincerity

8. Connect. Shared emotions are a powerful motivator.
Don’t hit ‘em in the heart, but kick ‘em in the balls – emotional appeals work best when they represent the lowest common denominator

jayt @ 33

rxbusa @ 29

OT and this may have been on an earlier thread but I just got here. I just saw this headline at Raw Story: “DC whispers: Chertoff may replace Gonzales” and here’s the link to the original article. But I do have a question about a recess appointment, wouldn’t W have to do it today or tomorrow since the Senate comes back on 4 Sep? I thought there was some sort of 10-day rule.

nope – no such rule. 5-day recess appointments have been upheld (and possibly even 3 – can’t remember). I’ve never seen a case finding that the recess period was too short so as to invalidate a recess appointment.

I had heard, however, that Harry Reid and GWB had a truce for the August recess – no recess appointments by Bush, and Harry wouldn’t open the Senate for business so as to preclude it.

Hmmm, CT and I seem to disagree…

Reported deal also required Reid to allow a bunch of Bush Nazi/Wingnut judge nominations to go to the floor for an up or down vote

althespook @ 75

Al the Spook de-lurking with the post that will break your heart.

Not content with just ignoring the allegations of illegal weapons sales made by two whistleblower civilian DOD employees in Iraq, the US military there declared them enemy combatants and imprisoned them in the same facility that held saddam hussein for 97 days and subjected them to various forms of torture to get them to recant their stories and reveal their informants.

Now they are suing. This is just peachy.

Read the Forbes article. I think I wanna puke. WTF is wrong with our country?

bmaz @ 199

jayt @ 33

nope – no such rule. 5-day recess appointments have been upheld (and possibly even 3 – can’t remember). I’ve never seen a case finding that the recess period was too short so as to invalidate a recess appointment.

I had heard, however, that Harry Reid and GWB had a truce for the August recess – no recess appointments by Bush, and Harry wouldn’t open the Senate for business so as to preclude it.

Hmmm, CT and I seem to disagree…

Reported deal also required Reid to allow a bunch of Bush Nazi/Wingnut judge nominations to go to the floor for an up or down vote

that just ain’t right

Elliott @ 200

bmaz @ 199

Reported deal also required Reid to allow a bunch of Bush Nazi/Wingnut judge nominations to go to the floor for an up or down vote

that just ain’t right

I’ve been worried for a long time that Reid is a DINO.

Astral at 184 says-”asn’t Mars supposed to be doing something tonight?”

Subject: Fw: TWO MOONS ON AUGUST 28, 2007

*Two Moons on 27 August*

*27th Aug the Whole World is waiting for………….*

Planet Mars will be the brightest in the night sky starting August.

It will look as large as the full moon to the naked eye. This will
culminate on Aug. 27 when Mars comes within 34.65M miles of earth. Be sure
to watch the sky on Aug. 27 12:30 am midnight. It will look like the earth
has 2 moons. The next time Mars may come this much closer in 2287.

Share this with your friends as NO ONE ALIVE TODAY will ever see it again.

Astral Technician @ 194

Mad Dogs@83

Exactly. And any animosity on Dean’s part is more than justified, however I’ve never seen him act in any way that in any way hinted at a lack of professionalism. (Can you say Carville?)

Dean needs to know that we’re with him on this or the blogs can kiss their influence on this election goodbye.

Oh, wait. Kositstan is mainstreaming this from what I’ve heard. I don’t go there anymore.

I try not to either… Occasionally, I’ll be referred to a diary, but, that’s about it…

althespook @ 202

Elliott @ 200

that just ain’t right

I’ve been worried for a long time that Reid is a DINO.

well, I sure don’t see him as a champion fighter.

Astral Technician @ 195

Mad Dogs@83

Exactly. And any animosity on Dean’s part is more than justified, however I’ve never seen him act in any way that in any way hinted at a lack of professionalism. (Can you say Carville?)

Dean needs to know that we’re with him on this or the blogs can kiss their influence on this election goodbye.

Oh, wait. Kositstan is mainstreaming this from what I’ve heard. I don’t go there anymore.

If we’re fighting each other, we must be Democrats.

burnspbesq @ 199

althespook @ 75

Al the Spook de-lurking with the post that will break your heart.

Not content with just ignoring the allegations of illegal weapons sales made by two whistleblower civilian DOD employees in Iraq, the US military there declared them enemy combatants and imprisoned them in the same facility that held saddam hussein for 97 days and subjected them to various forms of torture to get them to recant their stories and reveal their informants.

Now they are suing. This is just peachy.

Read the Forbes article. I think I wanna puke. WTF is wrong with our country?

“During a freedom from care, the evil in men’s hearts will bring many to ruin.” (nostradaumus or Teh Bible or something. Bottom line, WE are no different that we were. What has happened is that we no longer have adult supervision. Think of it as Mad Max Lite without losing the technology (yet)…

bmaz @ 198

jayt @ 33

nope – no such rule. 5-day recess appointments have been upheld (and possibly even 3 – can’t remember). I’ve never seen a case finding that the recess period was too short so as to invalidate a recess appointment.

I had heard, however, that Harry Reid and GWB had a truce for the August recess – no recess appointments by Bush, and Harry wouldn’t open the Senate for business so as to preclude it.

Hmmm, CT and I seem to disagree…

Reported deal also required Reid to allow a bunch of Bush Nazi/Wingnut judge nominations to go to the floor for an up or down vote

That stuck in my craw…!!! 8-(

should have said my 203 is quoted from an email from a friend.

“only if its rock salt” (we’re gonna get in trouble jayt, i just know we are…)

Ha! “Trouble” is my middle name. (used to be “Danger”, but I’m gettin’ a little older, so I had to downgrade it a little…)

jayt @ 193

althespook @ 188

“nah, with a twist!”

“salt the rim?”

The twist Is good.

dmac @ 202

Astral at 184 says-”asn’t Mars supposed to be doing something tonight?”

Subject: Fw: TWO MOONS ON AUGUST 28, 2007

*Two Moons on 27 August*

*27th Aug the Whole World is waiting for………….*

Planet Mars will be the brightest in the night sky starting August.

It will look as large as the full moon to the naked eye. This will
culminate on Aug. 27 when Mars comes within 34.65M miles of earth. Be sure
to watch the sky on Aug. 27 12:30 am midnight. It will look like the earth
has 2 moons. The next time Mars may come this much closer in 2287.

Share this with your friends as NO ONE ALIVE TODAY will ever see it again.

A most auspicious birthday, considering Mars is the ruling planet of Virgo…!!!

CTuttle @ 194

Loo Hoo. @ 190

I didn’t get to say Happy Birthday, CTuttle!!!

Three exclamation points in your honor, sir!!!

Kinda early, Loo Hoo, 27th!!!

Hey, Loo Hoo, that gives us some time to make plans to jet to the Island. Get out yer muu muu.

Astral Technician @ 195

Can you say Carville?

Not without spitting.

Astral Technician @ 195

Oh, wait. Kositstan is mainstreaming this from what I’ve heard. I don’t go there anymore.

It’s mixed. Markos himself seems to think that the DNC won’t be able to force Florida to do anything, but Adam B, another front-pager, disagrees, and there seems to be quite a bit of sentiment that suing the DNC is really obnoxious and selfish.

madmommy @ 188

Slightly off topic-we here in Louisiana are careening madly towards electing a new Governor. Right now, big surprise, Bobby Jindal is kicking ass and taking names. The opposition? Walter Boasso, who up until a few weeks ago was a Rep, but is now a Dem, and John Georges, who is still trying to decide if he is Dem, Rep or Ind. Since we have an open primary system, party switching is a proud tradition here. I heard a talking head yesterday mention that there are as many registered Independents as there are Reps. I tried to call in and ask him how many so-called Independents voted Rep vs. Dem. but couldn’t get through.

There has been much hue and cry regarding the ad against Jindal quoting his views on protestant religons. Astoundingly, those most apalled are Reps, who claim that these writings should have no effect on his ability to govern the state. But then, these are likely the same 66% (not a typo) who think that David diaper-boy Vitter is doing a bang-up job and should run again next term. Since the political landscape has shifted so dramatically post K, it looks as though Jindal will win this time. The sad part is that even after the feds have screwed us over again and again, Jindal just keeps making excuses. It is like watching someone get beat up repeatedly by a spouse and yet they keep going back for another round.

Yes indeed. Mississippi too. The Bush matriarch might say that Katrina worked out quite well for Bushco. Displacing poor urban blacks and keeping them from returning has worked out quite well for LA Rethuglicans.

boing -inward two-and-a-half somersaults, tuck position, no splash

g’evening everyone

ccmask @ 198

These are 8 pointers from the GOP Media firm handling Rudy’s campaign:
…
7. Be absolutely credible.
Lie or at least mislead with the utmost sincerity
…

The other 7 are derivative.

dmac @ 203

Astral at 184 says-”asn’t Mars supposed to be doing something tonight?”

Subject: Fw: TWO MOONS ON AUGUST 28, 2007

*Two Moons on 27 August*

*27th Aug the Whole World is waiting for………….*

Planet Mars will be the brightest in the night sky starting August.

It will look as large as the full moon to the naked eye. This will
culminate on Aug. 27 when Mars comes within 34.65M miles of earth. Be sure
to watch the sky on Aug. 27 12:30 am midnight. It will look like the earth
has 2 moons. The next time Mars may come this much closer in 2287.

Share this with your friends as NO ONE ALIVE TODAY will ever see it again.

34.5 million miles is more than 10 times the distance to the moon. For Mars to look anything moon-like, it would need to be more than ten times bigger than the moon. Which it isn’t.

dmac @ 203

Astral at 184 says-”asn’t Mars supposed to be doing something tonight?”

Subject: Fw: TWO MOONS ON AUGUST 28, 2007
get otta here. that is so way groovy.
pinot talking.

*Two Moons on 27 August*

*27th Aug the Whole World is waiting for………….*

Planet Mars will be the brightest in the night sky starting August.

It will look as large as the full moon to the naked eye. This will
culminate on Aug. 27 when Mars comes within 34.65M miles of earth. Be sure
to watch the sky on Aug. 27 12:30 am midnight. It will look like the earth
has 2 moons. The next time Mars may come this much closer in 2287.

Share this with your friends as NO ONE ALIVE TODAY will ever see it again.

A.Citizen @ 187

demi @ 173

Must be the full moon comin’ on, but y’all are nasty tonight.

Me?

When it comes to the foul, vicious scumbag cowards of the ReichWing….

I’m nasty ALL THE TIME!

I have the same reaction to DINOS.

Gee I hope I’m not the one being called nasty here. I just have a soft spot for Howard Dean and what happened in Florida was the same as James Carville spitting in my face.

I won’t allow it.

elliot at 190——-and astral…….

oooooooops…..the mars thing………..i didn’t follow it up, cuz it came from a professor i know………..

and i thought it was weird that jack horkheimer didn’t mention it on his show this week……shoulda known something was up when he didn’t mention it…….

GordonM @ 218

ccmask @ 198

These are 8 pointers from the GOP Media firm handling Rudy’s campaign:
…
7. Be absolutely credible.
Lie or at least mislead with the utmost sincerity
…

The other 7 are derivative.

They also left out #9: Take no prisoners.

demi @ 220

dmac @ 203

Astral at 184 says-”asn’t Mars supposed to be doing something tonight?”

Subject: Fw: TWO MOONS ON AUGUST 28, 2007
get otta here. that is so way groovy.
pinot talking.

*Two Moons on 27 August*

*27th Aug the Whole World is waiting for………….*

Planet Mars will be the brightest in the night sky starting August.

It will look as large as the full moon to the naked eye. This will
culminate on Aug. 27 when Mars comes within 34.65M miles of earth. Be sure
to watch the sky on Aug. 27 12:30 am midnight. It will look like the earth
has 2 moons. The next time Mars may come this much closer in 2287.

Share this with your friends as NO ONE ALIVE TODAY will ever see it again.

I don’t mean to rain on anybody’s parade, but this is not physically possible. sorry. the distance is just too great. it will be a slightly brighter dot but that’s about all.

I heard the most amazing thing today on CSPAN. Per Al Gore’s daughter, the poor turkey that gets pardoned at Thanksgiving, is “sedated” before it is pardoned. Go figure!!!

ccmask @ 223

GordonM @ 218

The other 7 are derivative.

They also left out #9: Take no prisoners.

#10. Make sure you own everything. What you don’t own, be sure and steal.

cleter @ 219

dmac @ 203

Astral at 184 says-”asn’t Mars supposed to be doing something tonight?”

Subject: Fw: TWO MOONS ON AUGUST 28, 2007

*Two Moons on 27 August*

*27th Aug the Whole World is waiting for………….*

Planet Mars will be the brightest in the night sky starting August.

It will look as large as the full moon to the naked eye. This will
culminate on Aug. 27 when Mars comes within 34.65M miles of earth. Be sure
to watch the sky on Aug. 27 12:30 am midnight. It will look like the earth
has 2 moons. The next time Mars may come this much closer in 2287.

Share this with your friends as NO ONE ALIVE TODAY will ever see it again.

34.5 million miles is more than 10 times the distance to the moon. For Mars to look anything moon-like, it would need to be more than ten times bigger than the moon. Which it isn’t.

100. inverse square law.

Oh, crap. 100. Sorry.

new thread

LS @ 225

I heard the most amazing thing today on CSPAN. Per Al Gore’s daughter, the poor turkey that gets pardoned at Thanksgiving, is “sedated” before it is pardoned. Go figure!!!

My momma grew up on a chicken and turkey farm. Turkeys are not nice birds when they’re angry. And being treated the way those show turkeys are treated, they’re usually angry. Sedated hell, i’d want it unconscious first!

Remember the West Wing episode with CJ and the turkeys? I laughed so hard…

LS @ 225

I heard the most amazing thing today on CSPAN. Per Al Gore’s daughter, the poor turkey that gets pardoned at Thanksgiving, is “sedated” before it is pardoned. Go figure!!!

Remember Bush’s first Turkey?

If you go out and look up in the sky, and Mars is the size of the moon, well, something has gone terribly awry. What the DNC does to Florida is suddenly the least of your problems.

althespook @ 227

I’d bet the story is relying on the lens affect of looking at a rising / setting point of light through all that atmosphere. Still, nowhere near enough to make it true.

LS @ 225

I heard the most amazing thing today on CSPAN. Per Al Gore’s daughter, the poor turkey that gets pardoned at Thanksgiving, is “sedated” before it is pardoned. Go figure!!!

Wonder if they fed it… turkey.

cleter @ 232

If you go out and look up in the sky, and Mars is the size of the moon, well, something has gone terribly awry. What the DNC does to Florida is suddenly the least of your problems.

No the REALLY bad thing is when you look up and the moon is as bright as the sun. That’s called a solar flare, and everybody on the day side is dead. You are too if the flare lasts longer than 24 hours. (Larry Niven wrote a terrifyingly wonderful story about this called Inconstant Moon. It was set in the late 1970’s before satellite communications and worldwide networks were ubiquitous. the creepy dawning realization in the story wouldn’t work now.)

crap, if there’s a hollywood producer lurking tonight i just gave them their next blockbuster. oh well, it’s simple physics…

(and i’m going to figure out what is it with the hanging parentheses tonight? is my subconscious sending me a message? it usually uses j-mail (jungian mail)…))

althespook @ 235

(and i’m going to figure out what is it with the hanging parentheses tonight? is my subconscious sending me a message? it usually uses j-mail (jungian mail)…))

No, but your lisp is showing.

If someone made a Henry Waxman action figure I’d buy them, a bunch of them and pass them out as Yule presents.

GordonM @ 236

althespook @ 235

(and i’m going to figure out what is it with the hanging parentheses tonight? is my subconscious sending me a message? it usually uses j-mail (jungian mail)…))

No, but your lisp is showing.

but I do go forth…

Astral Technician @ 139

cleter @ 128

I would like to thank my legislature for passing the Florida Laughingstock Act of 2007.

So, what will happen? Elected delegates will be turned away, replaced by hand-picked shills? Will we have some sort of tainted convention? That’ll be great.

Well, someone has to blink here. It won’t be Howard Dean. He gave up 08 for the DNC Chair. He’s got all the cards. We gave them to him.

I’m not about to be questioning our ace in the hole on this one.

The ace in the hole is the fact that the candidates won’t spend shite in Florida for a “beauty contest”. That will hurt the big media and advertising conglomerates in Florida…who will be very pissed off at the Legislature.

Dean could simply say..we won’t take away your delegates…but we will apportion them according to the national percentages accrued by candidates in other Primaries…thus making the Primary irrelevant. So there would be a “Florida Delegation” but one that reflected the national Democratic party.

And the party can decide whether delegations are accreditted or not…it’s an internal matter…not one that the State Legislature can influence. And my understanding is that if the Democratic caucus/party in Florida refused to cooperate in a Primary on that date it couldn’t really be held….and would have to be scheduled later.

Reichert says, “And in America, how hard is it for me to put my arm around a Democrat, if I could put my arm around Gary Ridgway? Right Norm?”

Okay now, I’ve only read halfway down the thread, so someone else might have pointed this out, but… as an attorney who has practiced in Seattle (King County) for the past 26 years, I can give some context to this remark, which makes it even worse than it appears.

The “Norm” that Reichert is referring to is the King County Prosecutor Norm Maleng. Norm was our prosecutor for more than 20 years. And he was an elected Republican, one of the few I voted for regularly. Norm died early this summer quite suddenly, leaving King County residents bereft. I am serious, he was well regarded by both parties here, an amazing feat in this day and age. Reichert is castigating Norm in this video because Norm gave Ridgeway a life sentence in order to bring closure to the Green River murders and to get Ridgeway to fully confess to all his killings. As someone who does not believe in the death penalty, I applauded the decision when it was made and I know that Norm took a whole boatload of shit from the Republican party in Washington state and beyond because of it. Norm was a man of courage. Reichert is nothing but a putz.

Elliott @ 190

Astral Technician @ 184

Wasn’t Mars supposed to be doing something tonight?

Astro-news!

Some of you may have received emails this month about Mars appearing to be the size of the full moon at the end of the month, much like some of you probably did LAST August. You may have also seen postings elsewhere about it. Please be aware that this is not true. The only way Mars would ever appear that large to us here on Earth is through a telescope with really, really, really, really large magnification power. It will appear to the naked eye as a point of light, just like most of the stars do, even on August 27th. It is too small and will always be too far for it to appear otherwise. Now, it is true that Mars does, at times, come closer to Earth. December 18th, Mars will make its closest approach to Earth, hardly a stones throw at around 55 million miles.

LOL! Tomorrow, in parts of the world, there will be a FULL LUNAR ECLIPSE. What that usually means is that the moon takes on an orange or red coloration during parts of the eclipse.

Seems that someone is pulling someones leg…hoping that people will go out and look at the moon as it is undergoing the eclipse and say “Look! Mars!”

dmac @ 203

Astral at 184 says-”asn’t Mars supposed to be doing something tonight?”

Subject: Fw: TWO MOONS ON AUGUST 28, 2007

*Two Moons on 27 August*

*27th Aug the Whole World is waiting for………….*

Planet Mars will be the brightest in the night sky starting August.

It will look as large as the full moon to the naked eye. This will
culminate on Aug. 27 when Mars comes within 34.65M miles of earth. Be sure
to watch the sky on Aug. 27 12:30 am midnight. It will look like the earth
has 2 moons. The next time Mars may come this much closer in 2287.

Share this with your friends as NO ONE ALIVE TODAY will ever see it again.

This is someones idea of a rank. People will go out to look for moon-sized Mars and see a huge red moon just prior to or after the eclipse (when the moon still is in the earths umbral shadow…and go “MARS! It’s as big as the moon!” and a few minutes later they’ll see the moon!

Somehow the planet Mars will have mysteriously disappeared…zooming back to it’s prior position as a stellar-sized speck in the sky, I guess.

http://www.news.com.au/heralds…..61,00.html

Thank you Moe99. I figured “Norm” was Maleng, but since I don’t live near Seattle, don’t know much about him, other than he died recently.

He sounds like he was a decent guy.

moe99 @ 240

Reichert says, “And in America, how hard is it for me to put my arm around a Democrat, if I could put my arm around Gary Ridgway? Right Norm?”

Okay now, I’ve only read halfway down the thread, so someone else might have pointed this out, but… as an attorney who has practiced in Seattle (King County) for the past 26 years, I can give some context to this remark, which makes it even worse than it appears.

The “Norm” that Reichert is referring to is the King County Prosecutor Norm Maleng. Norm was our prosecutor for more than 20 years. And he was an elected Republican, one of the few I voted for regularly. Norm died early this summer quite suddenly, leaving King County residents bereft. I am serious, he was well regarded by both parties here, an amazing feat in this day and age. Reichert is castigating Norm in this video because Norm gave Ridgeway a life sentence in order to bring closure to the Green River murders and to get Ridgeway to fully confess to all his killings. As someone who does not believe in the death penalty, I applauded the decision when it was made and I know that Norm took a whole boatload of shit from the Republican party in Washington state and beyond because of it. Norm was a man of courage. Reichert is nothing but a putz.

I agree that Norm was a man of principle and courage, and Reidhert is a putz, to put it mildly. However, Reichert supported the Ridgway deal from the start and helped convince Norm to do it. Reichert knew resolution of the case would launch him to a higher political position, but the Green River case had to be resolved first. The trial and potential appeals would have taken too long.

A couple ironies to note:
1. Reichert gets praised (and elected) based on a case where a man with an 82 IQ got away with murder for over twenty years, killing about 70 women right under Reichert’s nose. Nice job, congressman.

2. In Washington, Ted Bundy, Robert Yates, and Gary Ridgway, our three top serial murderers, were all REPUBLICANS.