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Oh, say it ain’t so.CRAWFORD, Texas (AP) – President Bush will return to the Gulf Coast next week, where hard times and resentment linger two years after Hurricane Katrina’s massive strike.
Bush will fly into New Orleans on Tuesday after giving a speech about the Iraq war to the American Legion convention in Reno, Nev. On Wednesday, the anniversary of the storm, he is expected to examine recovery efforts in New Orleans and the Mississippi Gulf Coast.
New Orleans reader Madmommy asks:
Have we not suffered enough???
Oh, those poor, poor people.
P.S. Never mind those bears and pumas. The Brits are already sent some badgers.
They think of everything.
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TRex!
a joke indeed, trying to secure the zed :-P
hey
OOooo…la la
TRex II!
fourth? naw, sixth. Oh well.
Evening, all!
If it’s BADGERS you want…
http://www.badgerbadgerbadger.com/
Great post TRex!
Anyone know what percentage of the wind-destroyed homes of Jackson County have been rebuilt since Katrina?
We need to find that pic of him staring out the plane window and redistribute that far and wide…
TRex!!!
Alicia @ 7
hey, alicia!
It’s Happy Anniversary time for New Orleans. Thank you, Georgie, for remembering.
neurophius @ 8
at least they’re not rabbits or camels…
EPU’d and still “spinning” in the old thread…
I think in this case Hillary is saying she’s the only one who can “protect” the Democrats from the Republican attacks.
But in the past, she has certainly used the more general fearmongering–invoking 9/11 to remind people how dangerous the world is.
I just read the first couple chapters of Al Gore’s book The Assault on Reason today. He writes about the fearmongering thing, and how it makes it harder for people to approach issues with a reasoned approach. The Bush administration has been using that approach for years. But Hillary uses it too, in my opinion.
Fitz? whatevah…
Continuing the woodstock theme…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fk0sBEbqU5M
Hi Alicia.
TRex, I smell a pun-off for what will georgie do in n’orleans.
shirt sleeves up or down?
blue shirt?
will he take his goodies away when he leaves?
what are the odds he bangs his thumb with a hammer?
They should make the Kowboy live in one of those lovely trailers for the next year and a half.
“These hurricanes that blew down these levees will here from all of us soon.”
-The Deshider, standing on some Katrina rubble with a bullhorn
Drat and double-drat! Yankees got three in the top of the fifth, game now tied 6-6, Tiggers batting in the bottom of the fifth.
And this should take…uh, not very long, I’m thinking?
Alicia @ 20
Amen.
Is Boosh going to go and sit on Trent Lott’s new front porch?
CD @ 23
He can be back in dee cee by lunch!
why does that sentence make me laugh right out loud?
Renee in Ohio @ 15
which is why any number of people have realized that hillary may not be the best candidate from a progressive standpoint. I was once a huge fan of Bill’s (mainly due to my wife, up until he broke the twelfth commandment*) but once the spell was broken and we examined his actual record both on laws he signed and on things he did that could have been done differently (and much more progressively) I was very saddened.
*The Twelfth Commandment Is For Leaders, CEO’s, Anyone Who Has Subordinates. “That shalt not show thy rod to thy staff.” Amen.
Too bad Hillary couldn’t even “protect” the sanctity of her marriage. She’ll sure stop them terrists, tho!
I’m just so honored (blush), but being the bad seed that I am, I am unable to brag on this to anyone who would care. No matter, I’m just happy I have to work taht day and so will not be forced to listen to the spin and BS.
CTuttle @ 17
Quintessential Woodstock!
He’d have to evolve one first.
BADA-CH!!
Thank you!
I’ll be here all week!
Actually, I’m going to go and read a book soon.
peanutbutter @ 24
With laura and the girls.
Aaron Neville, Louisiana 1927.
OldCoastie @ 27
What does it for me is imagining the impeccably mannered British accent as he says this… *goes off in gales of laughter again*
” Look, if we were to build a large wooden badger…”
No comments….just sadness….thought all this shit was done when I took my DD214 (discharge papers) and went home in the 70s. Damn. A king, a police state, and a collection of mostly fools calld Congress.
Franklin was right. “A republic, madam, if we can keep it.”
Damn, damn, damn.
Sorry, even a cynic gets down about things.
TRex @ 32
Nothing but net… Nite, TRex…!!!
If there are so many protesters that they cannot fit in the ‘Free Speech Zone’ (what i call the outta sight outta mind area), maybe the cable news hairs will actually cover the protests.
burnspbesq @ 34
Aaron kills me. He hasn’t moved back since The Thing, his asthma gives him too much trouble.
Bag News Notes has the disgusting pictures of Bush, complete with stage managed hand positioning and cheesy jacket with the presidential seal on them.
Loser losing New Orleans.
-GSD
Suzanne @ 39
There will be “problems with the feed” until they can pixelate out the protesters and replace them with stock footage of cheering crows.
DAMMIT! I just realized, we’re LIVING fucking RUNNING MAN. Jeebus.
peanutbutter @ 35
It is pretty fang funny. Bandgers are like small dog size right? Man eaters? Not so much.
TexBetsy @ 33
And don’t forget Babs! It will be working very well for them!
Suzanne @ 39
Keep dreaming.
They still wouldn’t report it.
Good night all.
TexBetsy @ 45
Night TexB!
Prediction: he will wear a long-sleeved shirt with the sleeves rolled up to just below the elbows, to demonstrate what “hard work” he has been doing ever since Katrina to restore New Orleans.
TexBetsy @ 45
Try to sleep well, ma’am!!!
continued pain free sleep wishes, tex
The last official act of any government is to loot the nation.
The Brainy Blogger
Night, TexBetsy!
I jut picked up my mail and Molly Ann (six pound Papillon) received a B-Day gift from her friend, Chasie (over sized blond Lab). It is a George W. stuffie she can chew up, shread, shake his neck and she is still at it. Go girl!
I’m so burned after the McNerney thread. Think I’ll check out this Dum Gum with a message from GW – Don’t Debate, Manipulate! (Endorsed by God.)
Molly Ann won’t stop growling at Georgie. I think I need to calm her down. Though, I feel the same way.
Good night all you good hearts.
neurophius @ 47
You mean all the brush he’s cleared off his spread since then???
neurophius @ 25
Oh yes…and they’ll throw back a few NA beers. Yuk it up a little.
Hubby, kids and I are taking my darling MIL to lunch for her birthday tomorrow so it’s off to bed for me. Amazingly, she has become a proud dem in her twilight years. She and I comiserate re: daily a**hole behavior of some politicans. I shall not name names, they know who they are.
QuakerGirl @ 51
I want one! Gotta linkie for it please?
neurophius @ 8
If you wanna be a badger,
Just come along with me,
by the bright shining light
by the light of the moon. (2x)
By the light of the moon,
By the light of the moon,
by the bright, shining light,
By the light of the moon,
If you wanna be a badger,
just come along with me
by the bright shining light of the moon
Bob in HI
A Badger by Birth
Suzanne @ 55
Yeah, ditto!
QuakerGirl @ 51
Have you seen the Michael Vick trading cards chewed by dogs for sale on Ebay?
Really, to bed now.
neurophius @ 47
This shirt?
Gotta hand it to Dubya, not content with neglecting New Orleans for 2 years and turning up to befoul traffic there, he’s just as happy to fuck everyone else around too.
From the Sydney Morning Herald:
—
The Prime Minister, John Howard, says the APEC forum program – and potentially the diaries of 21 world leaders – will now be rescheduled to accommodate the earlier arrival of the US President, George Bush.
Mr Howard today confirmed that Mr Bush is planning to arrive on Tuesday September 4 and that the group photo – a colourful highlight of the annual event – will now be held earlier.
“The group photograph is going to be the day before,” Mr Howard said.
“It’s a question of re-adjusting the program.”
The photograph is usually held on the last day of the forum, but Mr Bush is now planning to return to the US on the Saturday in time for a congressional hearing on Iraq and the September 11 commemorations.
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Alrighty, I’m fading fast so I’ll see ya tomorrow in between all the house work (as in, repainting and repairing the windows :-/ ) I have planned…
Suzanne @ 55
http://www.dogtoys.com/georgew.html
Have fun.
that doggie chew toy sounds poifect for token… i gotta find that
he can make it his ‘hump doll’ – he currently does that to a snoopy dog toy he got. getting fixed didn’t fix that and he was only 4 1/2 months when he got snipped. i say put it to good use on the booshie doll.
persiflage @ 60
Other than Howard, who would want to show up a day early for such BS??? ;-)
Wonder if Bar Boosh is gonna lug her beautiful mind along to see if Georgie’s “fixes” are working out well for New Orleans.
madmommy @ 58
What a hoot! I understand a toy is coming out so doggies can rip it apart.
Suzanne @ 63
Token can do to Bush what Bush has been doing to America, Iraq, and just about all points in between.
I’m out. Good night, everyone.
I’m dreaming of a mythical creature … sort of like the Loch Ness Monster, in that the evidence of his existence is a little shaky … that, of course, would be Jerry McNerney with a clue.
Suzanne @ 63
Alas, if only it was a voodoo doll…!!! *g*
Man, the badgers are old news. They are being used in conjunction with the Super Secret Spy Squirrels. Sorry about inartful link. http://proctoringcongress.blog…..moose.html
QuakerGirl @ 51
Night, QuakerGirl. Molly Ann has a good sense of smell…spiritually speaking!
persiflage @ 67
exactly what i was thinking…
Apology–
I try to drop by to catch up on FDL during the day, and twice today I left people dangling after my driveby’s, CTuttle, for one (no, that was not my first zed. Pure luck.)
So, I didn’t mean to ignore anyone who might have responded to something I wrote.
Bob in HI
Nite, sleepers…!!!
CT – what one does with it in the alleged privacy of one’s home….
madmommy @ 54
night madmommy!
Suzanne @ 76
… the NSA will know before it even happens. :-(
CTuttle @ 64
Well, that’s the thing Chikka. Apparently Howard was furious about it because we have an election coming up and he’s desperate to project a “statesman bestriding the world stage” image and the photo is always a big thing shown around the world. It’s going to look a bit silly if it’s just him and George and Lord knows what our “national costume” is going to be.
bobschacht @ 73
Capiche! Is Shapiro gonna visit with Mazie tomorrow?
as if NOLA hasnt suffered enough here comes chimpy and crew to do …what? i hope he runs into many many protesters…oh but then they’ll shuffle him off to haley barbours place or good ole boy trent lotts spot
(ectoplasmic wave to all sleepy firepups…)
Suzanne @ 75
I know nut’ing…!!! ;-)
persiflage @ 61
he’s coming to get howard to 0K the idea of this country aquiescing to being the nuclear waste dump of the world
or maybe signing off on the deal cheney rammed through earlier this year?
nightmares and paranoia
please tell me i’m wrong
(waving to all the sleepy pups so i don’t sound like the waltons)
persiflage @ 78
Heh, that ‘national costume’ has me intrigued too, please keep me posted…!!! 8-)
georgies national costume – does it come with presidential seal socks and clogs?
From TRex’s post:
“he is expected to examine recovery efforts in New Orleans and the Mississippi Gulf Coast.”
Does that mean he is finally checking into rehab?
Crocs and a beanie cap with a propeller.
-GSD
persiflage @ 78
And THIS is the quintessential George W. Bush. Not only does he fuck his enemies, he fucks his friends too. He’s done with the Coalition of the Willing, we’re moving the Teh Dictatorship of the Iraqis Who Have No Options now. Howard is yesterday’s news now, no time for losers, heckuvajob Howie! Be sure and cleanup now!
Love you guys! Here’s my good night quarter for the juke box. That’s all I’m saying…
Suzanne @ 75
“Shock-n-Awe®!”
wangdangdoodle @ 90
Night, WDD!
Alicia @ 91
Not in Alabama, unless the thing shoots bullets too…
wangdangdoodle @ 90
Awesome pick, WangDang, Peace out!!!
Alicia @ 91
shake and drool?
hump and bump?
GSD @ 89
that’s solar powered fan-
thank you very much!
may @ 83
I wish I could, he’s just pushing everthing he’s ever wanted through because he knows the next election will be his last. He and Bush share a wierd obsession about their “legacy”. The only consolation is that Labor will never agree to being a nuclear waste dump (I hope). Though I don’t really trust Rudd. How can you trust a man who’s ashamed of going to a strip club?
CTuttle @ 79
I don’t have the slightest idea. If you go, let me know.
Bob in HI
oops. suz, i just goofed. did a reply with forbidden words in it. sorry.
OMG! The little woman (aka my mother) is coming up for a visit the second week in September or so.
Suzanne @ 94
Ya owe me wipes, Ma Cheri, I had to clean my monitor and keyboard!!!
Suzanne @ 100
is this good or bad?
bobschacht @ 98
Ohhh, I’ll be there…!!!
peanutbutter @ 62
Bless you, peanutbutter, may your work go smoothly. Wait, that may be the Repair Curse. Um…May you have plenty of ice tea!
althespook @ 99
No it’s there, just being…well…dumb…
Al, my girls call her Nana White Gloves and she drove her white cadi up from Palm Springs last time and not a single bug dared leave its mark on the cadi.
She is a Southern Lady through and through and I love her dearly.
althespook @ 105
whew – ya had us scratching our heads there al trying to find it.
persiflage @ 98
yeah,but at least he did!
and owned up to his wife next day.
called himself a goose!
i was getting really worried,
oh no,not another self-righteous, holier-than thou,god-bothering wowser.
turns out he’s normal
thank chr*st for that
Suzanne @ 107
Testing ya mods… see if ya’ll are on your toes…!!! ;-)
CTuttle @ 109
after the jerry threads, the mods are testy enough ct (wink)
Suzanne @ 101
Good, Suz. Hope she doesn’t stay too long! **(projecting!)
Suzanne @ 106
My Great Grandma Dolphy Warren, who lived to be 95 and played checkers with me the night before she died (won too!) was very similar. She was from Waco, long time family there. One of her sons found oil on his farm and became a millionaire several times over. Grandma never changed her lifestyle a bit (and actually never did he, until the bank made him stop keeping 8 million dollars in a passbook savings account…) Her daughter addie lee married a chicken farmer in wichita falls, texas and moved there and became Addie Lee Holcomb. She was much sweeter than Granny Warren but just as tough. (Will stop now before I overflow the comment buffer with Granny Addie stories…)
may @ 108
Hmmm… sounds like some interesting going ons downunder…!!!
I’m back; not as tired as I originally thought. Have the Tigers-Yankees game going in the background.
Here’s a mind-blowing stat for you baseball fans.
Greg Maddux was the winning pitcher in tonight’s Padres win over the Phillies. It’s his tenth win of the season.
Maddux has now won 10 or more games for 20 consecutive seasons.
Suzanne @ 107
I really do apologize. I’m ODing on the lake right now and got careless. am doing pushups by the boat house in penitence…
no pushups necessary al :)
althespook @ 112
Heh, my 92yr old Grandma dropped in today with condolences, my wife and I had some advance notification to brace ourselves…!!! *g*
CTuttle @ 114
Don’t know..
Al,
When was this? My dad grew up across the river from Wichita Falls. Very early 1900s?
burnspbesq @ 114
kewl… has tfy’s lost yet?
CT, yeah I have less than a month’s notice.. gonna be a race to get the house Nana worthy in time.
Suzanne @ 121
Still tied. Yankees just left a runner in scoring position in the top of the eighth. Que lastima.
newtonusr @ 118
The Athabascan Tar Sands contain more oil than Iraq, already…!!!
newtonusr @ 118
okay, i’m going to voice a heresy here. everyone, please understand that in saying what i’m about to say, i am NOT advocating creationism in the slightest.
That said, a number of scientists have been worrying about the “standard model” of hydrocarbon and natural gas formation for at least twenty years.
There’s just too much of it.
It is like the mad uncle in the basement, who is never talked about but is always there. And the Finish deep earth researchers about ten years ago hit a strata of rock way down (six miles, eight? deep anyway) which was alive with extremophile bacteria who were secreting as part of their metabolism compounds which were very similar to those found in natural gas, coal, and oil. And this strata is believed to underly the entire world and encompass a hundred miles or more down into the crust.
In the model these researchers have developed, the world’s oil, gas, coal and such are produced in this vast “underground ecosystem” which may well have survived from the days of the earliest life on earth. It forms huge pockets that are pushed to the surface due to the heat down there, changing into various petrochemical products on the way. And there are literally millions of these pockets working their way up to the surface.
This also explains the “coal ferns” and “coal forests” that are sometimes found. In the old days, millions of years ago, these pockets were considerably closer to the surface and would erupts in huge “hydrocarbon volcanoes” that would cover dozens of miles ten feet deep in the stuff. It then hardened into resin, other things, and if it got pushed back underground, it became coal, with embedded fossils.
This is not yet widely accepted science, but it isn’t crackpot stuff either. I’ll try to dig up a complete reference link set for ravings.
Bottom line, we may NEVER run out of hydrocarbons. Which means, we are going to have to go cold turkey or grow gills real soon…
Margot @ 119
yes. my mom was born in 1923 there, youngest of three. The chicken farm went under in the depression so the dad did haircuts and made it back to middle class, then died of a heart attack in the doctor’s office in 1944. Addie lived to see me and died in 1974. The family name was Holcomb.
althespook @ 124
Party Pooper…!!! :P
althespook @ 113
My husband has an aunt like that – his dad’s family is from West Texas, and his Aunt Mary Tom (who still lives in Amarillo) is in her mid-80s and was climbing in the Himalayas in her 70s. An amazing lady – a world-traveler who is just as down-home as you can imagine.
Alicia @ 127
I’m beginning to see a pattern here. Lots of us FDL’ers have special grandparents. Maybe a little of the special rubbed off…and our grandkids will speak of US the same way…not to self-praise, merely a possible correlation…cause we know the lake is special somehow…
Alicia, my mom (73) and my 80 year old step dad just did a road trip from palm springs to ct and niagra falls and back again. I can so see my mom conquering Everest if she sets her mind to it.
CTuttle @ 127
then how come it’s getting harder and harder to find?
and that found is deeper and deeper?
is it just that the easiest stuff has been found?
a radio program the other day was saying the products made from hydro-carbons are so essential to the way we live now,that burning it is an act of stupidity
althespook @ 125
Scientists and engineers are doing that sort of thing in labs: using large fermenters/digesters to convert biomass including cellulose into ethanol, methanol, and methane. (But you knew that.) So, what is the alternative theory for how mother nature produced petroleum etc. if it wasn’t via bacteria in the earth? (I have no clue what the standard model for that process is.)
Suzanne @ 129
Everest is a trash dump now. Let’s have her try for Olympus Mons on Mars. May be possible sooner than anyone thinks…
althespook @ 126
My great-grandpa was one of the founders of a little town across the river from there, founded in about 1907 or so, from what I can tell.
sea-levels look like changing the map in our lifetime
but grow gills?
may @ 130
it ISN’T getting harder and harder to find. Huge finds are made almost every year in various places (for example, the Arctic, which is why everyone is suddenly getting interested). But unless you work in the petro business (I have relatives who do) you rarely hear about it because the MSM is controlled by the oil and petro lobbies who want to maintain the “we’re running out!” meme to a) keep prices up b) prevent ecological interference with drilling, production and shipment, and c) maintain a hysteria climate about energy that allows them to push bad solutions like nukular power instead of renewable solutions like solar, wind, wave-motion and geothermal.
may @ 134
The problem with global warming is that it is a chaotic system. Those type of systems cannot be modeled accurately with any science we have (this is the favorite defense of the anti global warming crowd). what they forget is that if our models are bad it could get a LOT warmer REAL fast. If Antarctica melts down within, say two years, over 25% of the world’s seashore population is suddenly homeless…or drowned.
I know those models, I’ve seen the source code. I wouldn’t bet a Bush Promise on them.
althespook @ 129
My grandmother was pretty special also — she and her siblings emigrated from England to Canada around 1910 – they all became podiatrists – the older sisters helped the younger ones through college – except for my Nana who became a ballet dancer on Broadway. Lucky for her her sisters and brother were foot doctors!
She met my grandfather, who was a lighting guy (and lifelong IATSE union member) and got engaged but would not get married to him until she was finished dancing (in her 30s) – not very common in that day. I still have an old pair of her ballet pointe shoes.
newtonusr @ 118
Great. Do we get invaded next?
Easier to find but harder to get at?
Suzanne @ 130
Wow, Suzanne! I hope my husband and I can be like that.
We’ll be old and gray before we get our kids out of the house anyway.
Margot @ 133
Fascinating. My mom’s folks were ordinary AFAIK, although my mom was considered the “town beauty” in her day. She chose to leave and attend SMU just as my grandma (Addie) had left her home and attended Baylor. Annoyed the heck out of the town’s leading citizen, who had set his son’s eyes on marrying my mom for some reason. Grandma addie just loved telling that story.
CTuttle @ 123
And will be irretrievable at the rate they are lowering the water table.
althespook @ 136
The urgent problem is not obtaining fossil-based hydrocarbon fuels but rather in getting rid of the carbon that’s thereby brought to the surface and turned into carbon dioxide when its burned. That’s the beauty of biomass-based hydrocarbons, they don’t bring additional carbon to the surface of the planet.
Fern @ 139
Hasn’t the US already raped and pillaged Canada enough???
wigwam @ 131
AFAIK (IANAPE) the standard model is that biomatter (plants) died, became crushed into the rock layers and made the petrochemicals from the heat and pressure. And you can do that, we’ve experimentally verified it.
Problem is, the yield sucks big time. To just get all the oil discovered by 1960, the earth would have been forested pretty much continuously from the first plant fossils and the stuff getting turned over way too often and too fast. That’s why some PE’s started worrying about us running out of oil as far back as the late 1960’s because the models said so. But the finds just kept on coming, and so it got shoved in the “figure it out later” drawer along with lots of other stuff.
CTuttle @ 144
Apparently not. Actually the problem is going to be water not oil and gas. There some unpleasant provisions in NAFTA about Canadian obligation to supply water to the US (I don’t remember the details and I am too lazy to look them up.
wigwam @ 144
What are ‘biomass-based hydrocarbons’?
Suzanne @ 139
yes, because a lot of it is either offshore or in areas previously geopolitically closed (russia, china). But not that inaccessible in technological terms, no more so than current production fields.
Alicia @ 147
ethanol from corn (which doesn’t count because it is a net energy loss rather than gain, and usually fossil fuels are used to make it…)
Didn’t Mexico find a huge oil field off their coast in the gulf? A new refinery was proposed on the border of Arizona and California, (or AZ-NM) for the use of that oil.
And I seem to remember Cuba announcing a large find too. It’s a shame the US oil companies can’t get in on that one, huh?
prices of corn are way up – affecting the price of food (think tortillas and corn meal) worldwide
So – is Castro dead?
TheOtherWA @ 151
Too funny. That might be the thing that does in Helms Burton or whatever that silly law is called.
TheOtherWA @ 150
And those announcements weren’t in the US MSM, you can bet. But that’s exactly my point. These finds are real and keep coming. That stuff HAS to be the product of an extremophile ecosystem from the pre-oxygen era of life. Nothing else makes sense.
Ugh. Extra innings in Detroit. Tigers left a runner at second in the bottom of the ninth.
Suzanne @ 151
Part of that are the newly affluent consumers of China. They are expected to drive the cost of ALL food up by as much as 35% in two years.
The current President of China said it would fulfill his lifelong dream if every child in china could have a jug of milk a week before he died. Heartbreaking, but that’s a lot of milk, and they don’t have the pastureland to raise it themselves.
And, yet, Al, every kid worldwide should be entitled to have a jug a week of milk. It is an honorable goal.
Alicia @ 152
Perez Hilton said so today. Cuba says no. Miami is celebrating, but they do that every time a rumor drops by that has a shred of credibility.
Haven’t seen any confirmation on the MSM. Castro’s sister in Miami might find out before the official announcement, she often does. Keep an eye on the miami newspapers online if something does break.
If the Chinese are able to buy Seagate, they’ll be able to barter disk drives for milk.
althespook @ 136
heh!
renewables are commercially viable now
money to be made and all that
solar is not just silicon anymore
production has started on solar film
(about one quarter of the price of silicon)in USA,Wales,Switzerland,Israel,Japan,
China that i know of. Greece,Germany,Turkey,Spain and others probably are,(mobile phone chargers etc)solar roof tiles and bricks can be purchased,Corus steel recently puchased by Tata the Indian conglomerate is bringing out sheet steel coated with an energy producing layer.all these products have been tested for durability and used in a building will generate power for use or fed into the grid.the claim of unaffordability doesn’t stand up in the light of a product that ultimately pays for itself.
Suzanne @ 152
There was a segment on the local news; dairy farmer said his feed had almost doubled in price since last year, due to the corn going for ethanol rather than cowfeed. I guess that’ll mean even more expensive milk soon.
And with that, I am to bed. Goodnite, sweet pupsters.
althespook @ 157
As the population grows exponentially the arable lands decrease at a similar pace, an ominous tipping point is already upon us!!!
Suzanne @ 157
Of course it is! But as a practical matter, we can’t provide it right now we literally don’t have the production capacity. Milk is HUGELY inefficient in terms of cropland needed to grow the feed corn to feed the milk cows (those not run on pastureland, that is, which is far less than it used to be but still substantial). The UN ag people now say that with the removal of all farm subsidies (the pay for not grow type) by 2015 we will be able to supply the needs of China and Russia by 2020 or so. Until then, it will be a price war with consumers as the losers.
CTuttle @ 163
Are the Chinese not traditionally a non-dairy culture?
althespook @ 155
You got that right, Al. The BBC is my usual source for finding what’s really going on in the world.
may @ 160
But all of these are “non industrial” because of various difficulties in production or in maintaining constant supply etc. And even those patents are often co-owned by governments and universities that have sponsored the reasearch. Big Oil and Big Electricity are fighting the growth of these disruptive technologies in hopes that when a real industrial-level solar breakthrough is made, they can get control over it. We’ll see.
As I understand it, most Asians become lactose intolerant by the age of five. Very young children can and do drink milk.
Fern @ 164
Apparently not. They used to view people who consumed them as offensive to the max. But apparently the effectiveness in terms of public health has changed that, or just exposure to western pasteurized and homogenized milk. Don’t know that one, my china expertise stops at the Ming dynasty. :)
TheOtherWA @ 165
Join the club. We can wear our Beeb Jackets to the pub…
althespook @ 159
Perez is a guilty pleasure of mine – I keep in touch with the culture without having to actually listen to the music or watch the TV or movies. I found Amy Winehouse through Perez.
Being as he’s Cuban I’m going to keep watching and see how it pans out.
TheOtherWA @ 167
Quite reasonable. And it would explain the cultural prejudice I mention.
Fern @ 165
They’re not as reliant on Beef and dairy products as us westerners, but, they certainly are consumers…!!!
The Discovery Science Channel has been running a show all week called “Eco-Tek” and last night they were showing solar INK that they can put on what looks like film strips – they just paint it on and it works like a solar cell, generating electricity. They usually rerun the shows on the weekends. Look on your cable and see if you get it – it is a look at the future.
Tonight’s show is waste and recycling. Saw the water show but missed a few so I’m gonna be planted in front of the tv this weekend watching what I missed.
Cool! I’m putting a FDL patch on my sleeve.
Sorry, typo, show is Eco-Tech not Tek.
althespook @ 167
nuh!
the patents for the solar dye used in the products i just described are owned by the inventor and associates.the dye is manufactured in aust and sold to the manufacturers of the various products.lots (200?)of universities and other institutions are involved in various aspects of research but the knoeledge is mature enough for products to be on the market.
CTuttle @ 162
But it doesn’t HAVE to be that way! The UN ag folks (with a lot of help from the EU) have worked out models to use cropland efficiently and produce enough from the currently available arable land (without major reclamation efforts) to feed up to 9 billion at US 1950 levels. Add in some serious reclamation in sub saharan africa and the stanic republics of russia and you can get up to 11 billion which is the theoretical limit without massive aquaculture (sea farming).
Look at India as an example. They no longer have famines and in fact export food now. And they could do a lot better than they do, and will.
Ghod knows I am no capitalist (except in the sense that no other economic system has managed to work any better) but it has to be admitted that the profit motive, if managed properly, can spur development to get past amazing crises. Let’s hope it keeps working…
TheOtherWA @ 175
There is one???
CTuttle @ 172
And fully intend to become more so, and with a trillion (yes that was with a T) US dollars in their collective pockets, they can afford to do so.
Tigers have the bases loaded with one out in the bottom of the tenth.
Suzanne @ 173
Dad watched it. He talked about it all through supper. Amazing stuff.
burnspbesq @ 180
all we need now is a grand slam to ftfy! for Gilly.
may @ 176
And that is EXACTLY what I’m hoping for! Break out of the Big Oil/Big Elect game and create your own market. Let’s hope they do it! (But they better have good lawyers and better politicians and not fly in small planes or trust anybody, cause BO/BE don’t take prisoners…)
CTuttle @ 179
Ha, ha. I wish. I was picturing Al and me hanging out in a pub, bitching about the state of the world, wearing BBC jackets. Not sure they exist either, but wouldn’t that be fun?
burnspbesq @ 181
C’mon a sac fly, bunt, something….
Why am I not surprised that al reads Perez?
now, really, goodnite!
Ifs there is gonna be an FDL patch, we Mods need a Mod FDL patch – I was thinking of a troll with a slash through it.
g’nite teddy (again) but this time for real :)
You learn some of the most interesting things if you hang out at the Lake late enough! I did not know half of what you guys have been talking about over the whole hydrocarbon thing. Thank you!
Suzanne @ 183
No joy. I hate Mariano Rivera. Going to the 11th.
althespook @ 182
suzanne,it’s not a look at the future.
it’s a look at the now
if the news outlets were not corrupt
everybody and their dog would know about it
Suzanne @ 188
ala Ghostbusters…!!! You’ve certainly earned that badge err… patch!!!
Shadowstalker @ 189
Al said a couple days ago(?) that he hears the Lake called the PhD blog around the internets.
I certainly agree – I learn so much here about stuff I never thought I would understand but the commenters here have a way of ’splaining it so even an old fart like me gets it.
Suzanne @ 188
*spewing wine on the laptop*
Excellent idea!
TeddySanFran @ 186
sorry to be a pooper, but I got it via a miami newspaper RSS feed. Have no idea in chaos who perez hilton is (unless he is the separated at birth twin of Paris Hilton and I kinda don’t think so…)
may @ 191
If I remember correctly, Discovery Science Channel is out of Canada.
I would recommend some enlightening commentary over at DKos about how the oil from the colossal Caspian Sea fields (to which US oil corps have the drilling rights, natch) and the inescapable geography of pipelining it to seaports might just explain an awful lot. Draw straight lines between the Caspian and the ports, and they go through Iran, Syrian, Jordan, and Iraq. All the PNAC target countries. Plan A is to get that oil to port. Plan B is to make such a mess in the region that nobody else can get that oil out. Either way, the oil companies make out, the US prospers, and other countries needing the energy (China et al.) either pay, or fail to prosper.
So (as the argument goes) while BushCheneyCo’s imperative to stay in Iraq is probably based on oil, it may actually be Caspian oil, not Iraqi oil.
Hmmm.
TheOtherWA @ 194
There appears to be a STYLE of clothing called a BBC Jacket but no actual available BBC logo gear. We certainly SHOULD have an FDL patch: one for mods, one for main article posters, one for commenters, and one for lurkers. They should be available as cups, hats, patches, the whole works.
I am not joking entirely here. There are webcomic sites with ten visitors a year who have this stuff all over them. I am a huge fan of Phil and Kaja Foglio (Girl Genius, Buck Godot, Myth Adventures, etc) and they have a huge selection available and links on how to contact the manufacturer to make your own gear. If a graphics wonk here would design the logo and jane were interesting, I could provide the backstage crew with contact info and we could have the web only shop up and running by the end of October.
But I’m too shy to email them and tell them.
burnspbesq @ 191
Damn, bottom of the eleventh, it must be one am in Motown…!!!
Hmmm. @ 197
With Respect, that was on my blog quite a while back.
I would give real money to sit in real-life time and listen to Al expound upon both China and spookdom. I would buy him beer if he wanted it, even.
I’m usually humbled by the brains just hanging around here. I don’t doubt that we’re the “PhD blog”….I know I don’t have near the candlepower of these guys!
althespook @ 201
Ah – I was wondering where your blog was! Thanks for the heads’ up!
althespook @ 128
Aha. My grandmothers grew up on Midwestern farms (Wisconsin & Iowa). One grandfather was a farm agent, and the other was a grocer. This was also the era of the McGuffey Readers in the Midwest, and one-room school houses across the landscape organized by Thomas Jefferson’s township system. The cultural system depicted by the Little House on the Prairie was what they grew up with.
But I wonder if the Great Depression was an important common factor for our grandparents, too?
Bob in HI
althespook @ 146
Is that equivalent to what’s called “pyrolysis”, i.e., heating in the absence of oxygen? It’s my understanding that one can get biofuels that way as well.
There seems to be a lot of controversy about biofuels now days. Stuff about cars competing with humans for food.
althespook @ 199
Al,
Jane is definitely interesting.
The logo at the top of this page was designed a couple of years ago. And a T shirt and cup (maybe more, i don’t remember about that) were offered. i actually have the T shirt.
Shadowstalker @ 201
me neither – but modding gives me an official excuse to be here and learn from the best of the best.
One of the biggest mysteries of the Clusterfuck presidency is that he- and apparently others- think that anyone in the universe benefits from this asshole flyin around and givin stupid ass speeches to people whose brain cells were eaten by spirochytes decades ago…
What’s with that?
Shadowstalker @ 201
My granddaughter would like to speak with you about this. She doesn’t want beer, though, just the Bratz. And unlimited texting. And a trip to the south pole (dayam Science Channel).
I’m working on expanding my blog a bit, so perhaps you can get a few more mini-lectures there. And don’t be fooled. Us “phd” guys are no different than you except we don’t have lives.
Hmmm. @ 198
Which means that it’s not about the Iraqi oil so much as about those 14 or so permanent bases we’ve built there.
Alicia @ 202
no problem. don’t want to “blogwhore” as the say…
fahrender @ 205
we need to get jane to restart that, with a group of logos and more offerings. I’m serious about this. if any lurker here knows the right people to speak to, I would pay serious money for this stuff. I suspect a lot of other people would to. (and we definitely need a “foul mouthed fem blogger one)…
And I meant “interested”, smartass …. :):):)
Hi friends. Back from beautiful Boulder Creek and a wonderful visit with Suzanne.
Suz, if you’re still here, we made it home safely.
althespook @ 211
I quite enjoy the occasional blogwhore. I’m putting you on my blogroll as we speak.
bobschacht @ 203
not much for my dad; his was a sharecropper family in dryland west texas near macadoo. They were as poor as it was possible to get in the rural areas without being vagrant. Yet all nine kids managed to get to college and many became millionaires (although just barely) because they bought the land in the San Joakin valley before there was water (I think that’s the right name, the california lakers will know (double entendre there, sorry)). Dad was the neer do well of the lot but I think he had more fun.
But my mom definitely was affected by it. She couldn’t abide the idea of not having enough money. Made for the major trouble area of the marriage despite good incomes for both.
CTuttle @ 178
FDL T-shirts!!!! I want one!
Bob in HI
demi @ 213
Dang, Suz…!!!
demi @ 212
demi, excellent! glad you’re safe. We’re ginning up an FDL patch for Suz and company, a troll with a no slash and/or lightning bolt through it…
And now that the banking world is safe for the weekend, the stalker of shadows can slink back to her 14 acres with a pond and get some much-needed sleep, provided the grandbaby allows it.
Good night to you all!
demi @ 212
woohoo… you got home safely. did the man-cub enjoy the boardwalk?
bobschacht @ 215
my point is made.
Shadowstalker @ 218
night shadowstalker.
Shadowstalker @ 219
Nite, Shadow!!!
WOO-HOO! Three-run walk-off home run for Carlos Guillen in the 11th.
Theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee … Yankees lose.
Justice and decency are triumphant.
And with that, I really am off to bed.
g’nite shadow
al, did you know to put your blog’s url in the space under your email addy (below the submit comment box) and then folks can just click on your name on any of your comments and it will take them to your blog.
FTFY!!! woohoo
Hmmm. @ 198
The key site for discussion of energy policy is theoildrum.com Several of my friends follow it on a daily basis. For example, it had the very best coverage of hurricane Dean, because Dean threatened Mexico’s oil fields and off-shore rigs, etc.
burnspbesq @ 224
Yes!!! There is justice in the world!!! Nite, Burns!!!
rwcole @ 207
As in Dune, “Above All Else, The Forms Must Be Maintained”. Reptile brain thinking. The image is the reality. Create the image and it will come to life. Speak the spell and the wish will be granted. Give the Speech and reality will conform. It’s no accident these guys like xtian religion and creationism and know nothing politics. They can’t think except to stalk and kill and eat and fuck and sleep. The Children of The Serpent (between whom and the mammals (the fully evolved children of Eve) there is enmity until the end of the world in fire…)
sorry, channeled one of my dad’s old sermons the re…
CT, you just gotta get to the Santa Cruz mountains before the little cottage by the creek in the redwoods sells.
I shall bid another fond adieu to the Lake! Aloha Oe!!!
Man-cub did enjoy it, but, we couldn’t take the dog-boy on the pier or on the beach. I walked kiddling in and bought him tickets and then We found an outside patio that allowed us to bring the dog in. Had a pizza before we hit the Long Drive Home.
(he did the rollercoaster twice, from the front.)
fahrender @ 205
Well, we all know that Jane is interesting, but perhaps you meant “interested”?
So, where is the “FDL Store”? How can I get the T-shirt?
Bob in HI
It’s been a long day, and now that I’ve dinner and a bit of wine (don’t look at me like that, I’m not driving!) it’s time for me to hit the sack.
What an interesting conversation tonight. Oil, dairy, t-shirts, patches and baseball. I love the Lake and all the fire pups! Mwah!
See you all tomorrow.
Just for the record, I let Demi take my picture. A rarity.
wigwam @ 225
THANK YOU! I have been chasing that site for three months, since the big cyclone in the red sea. could never quite find it….
Night, Burns and Ctuttle, sweet dreams.
sweet, demi. I like the rear row for the airborne belly flips.
Shadowstalker @ 202
Oops. I thought I was hanging out at a fem-blog.
bobschacht @ 231
I think it doesn’t exist anymore. we need to convince kobe and the other firepups to force jane to reopen it.
Hmm, doggie treat bribes maybe…
g’nite burns, ct (did i miss anyone)
I’m pretty fried. Going to go nite-nite in a real bed now. (Have been tent camping all week.)
I plan on describing the Cottage In The Redwoods tomorrow night.
I’ll leave you all with a plagerized version of a Leonard Cohen song:
Suzanne took me down to the beach by her river.
wigwam @ 237
FOUL MOUTHED fem block, thank you very fucking much…
al @ 201:
Sorry! I would of course have linked to yours instead, had I but known. I will note there’s other commentary worth reading in the DK thread, though.
Padres scored 14 runs on 22 hits to defeat the Phillies
Cubbies beat the snakes
Yahoo.
Sleep well demi.
I think it doesn’t exist anymore. we need to convince kobe and the other firepups to force jane to reopen it.
Hmm, doggie treat bribes maybe…
I think the doggie toy link upthread would be a welcome doggie treat bribe for our master Kobe.
althespook @ 235
It’s mecca for the guys that worry about “peak oil” and all that. Most of my friends who are into that stuff are sort of libertarian and are big fans of Ron Paul.
Hmmm. @ 242
oh no, my fault. I didn’t mean to sound testy. getting late. And I do need to put my blog in my name thingie.
And the DK stuff goes into a lot more detail than I do, so yes it’s very valuable. I only try for the “blue arrow stuff” the high concept posts. I am starting to do daily updates to try and fit news postings against them but it is slow going. And thankfully lots of other bloggers have great sources and can fill in the gaps I miss.
Bottom line, I stand on the shoulders of giant-bloggers…
wigwam @ 210:
Which we never, ever, hear any info about in the MSM. All the construction info is on the Embassy and the Green Zone. Cover?
Suzanne @ 245
can you provide shipping addy? on fb perhaps?
ak, i have no idea of shipping and i was teasing about those bribes.
It would be considered rude to say that we invaded to steal the oil and get some mlitary bases to steal more…wouldn’t go over well with the Iraqis ya know.
al @ 248:
Everyone does. :-)
The Sweetie is calling to me, so off I go to bed. Good night, all. Thank you for today.
errrr no idea for shipping…
typo to word ratio is getting too outta whack – time for me to turn in… g’nite all
althespook @ 242
Double oops. I thought that part went without saying.
Suzanne @ 250
shucks. :(:) well, y’never know…and I’m quite serious about the bribes myself. I want my FDL coffe mug!
Suzanne @ 253
nite suz.
wigwam @ 246
I want to see Ron Paul/Tom Tancredo run against Al Gore/Kucinich (sp). The entertainment factor alone would be worth it.
Hmmm. @ 249
People who have been to these bases are amazed at how big and how permanent they are. An Air Force guy was just recently quoting me statistics about the wonderful runways they have in terms of length and load carrying ability.
wigwam @ 237
{snicker}
No, its the “Fem-J.D. Blog” (Christy, LHP, and Jeralyn on occasion)! :-)
Bob in HI
althespook @ 258
That would be politics worth watching.
wigwam @ 258
N=1 says her contacts in miltary medicine say they have the best level 3 trauma care center in the world at Balad.
AND AT THESE BASES, EVERTHING RUNS PERFECTLY. NO FUSS, NO MUSS. NO RIPOFF NO BID RETHUGLICAN HALIBURTON CRAP.
Yes, I’m shouting. For a reason. If they could do it in these bases, they could have done it all over Iraq from the beginning. they didnt’ want to.
If you could provide me some linkys on any of this at Ravings (in the comments) I would much appreciate it. this is important stuff.
bobschacht @ 260
Digressing by association, the J.D. blogger who’s been kicking ass lately is Glenn “Glennzilla” Greenwald. Did anyone catch the number that he did on Zelikow today? God, it was brutal. And I loved every word of it. ;-)
bobschacht @ 259
JD, ThD, Phd, all the same. Wonks. Not Wonkettes tho due to Anna Marie Cox’s everlasting contribution to the blogosphere….
wigwam @ 254
Well, you do have to say it for it to be foul-mouthed. Not that I want to encourage anyone!
Bob in HI
wigwam @ 262
Zelikow is an Allawi foot soldier, BTW. Linky. (Part of Greenwald’s stuff but I originally missed it…) And I’m pegging Allawi as the head of the coming dictatorship, at first…
wigwam @ 258
Are they mortar-proof? Did he say anything about the big bulls-eye?
Bob in HI
bobschacht @ 267
they are surrounded by about three miles of kill zone and another ten of denied area (minefields, cleared lines of fire for helos, howitzers and drones.). No insurgent will get close.
THIS is my point, and why I’m a bit angry with myself for being taken in. These bases, for the occupation after the dictatorship is put in power, were the real deal all along. all the fighting and dying in the cities and towns is just for show. Disgusting.
althespook @ 266
Kinda hard to imagine any leader there staying alive long if the “contractors” go.
newtonusr @ 269
oh no. i did a much more detailed discussion at ravings, but the precis is this. Once the us gives the go ahead, the iraqi army will sprout tanks, helos, heavy weapons and lots of nicely armed troops who are defending Iraq, not the occupation. the us will sneak out to these bases and hide. With us out of the way, the revitalized iraqi army will have no trouble maintaining order (they’ll use the same tactics saddam did only more vicously). And he’ll stay nice and safe in the US Embassy Fortress, count on it. (neat Danger room post on that whole gig, BTW).
Some of you might get a chuckle out of this review of Brezezinski’s book written about the time of the invasion of Iraq: http://www.armed-combat.com/brzezinski.htm
IMHO, this was the kind of discussion that took place and Cheney’s meeting with the oil executives at the beginning of the Bush administration, and it’s the kind of thinking that went into the establishment of the 14 bases in Iraq. This reasoning and those bases are the reason that the neocons are desperate that we not withdraw from Iraq.
271? a ZED?
update on the FDL T shirt/mug thing:
they were offered in the fall of ‘05. that’s when i got mine. i’m not sure when the offer expired. IIRC they were shipped out of L.A. so i’m guessing they were made there as well. Jane was living in Oregon then and much water has flowed under the bridge since. i would imagine that someone with the appropriate knowlege, location and time on their hands would need to step up and agree to make it happen, and with the approval of she who is in charge.
yellowdog jim @ 272
Sadly, No!
yellowdog jim @ 274
no, Sadly, No!
fahrender @ 273
In work. I will say no more until it is ready to happen, if it does.
althespook @ 266
Allawi is paying the lobbying firm Barbour Griffith & Rogers, Zelikow’s employer, $50,000 per month to conduct a campaign to replace al-Maliki with himself.
wigwam @ 271
Again, thank you. I actually wanted to buy this thing but couldn’t make myself spend the money for something by Zbig…
wigwam @ 277
That’s only the first bit. Try here for all the goodies…
bobschacht @ 267
Rockets, mortars, and shoulder-fired antiaircraft missles are the obvious concerns.
We’ve lost amazingly few aircraft to ground fire compared say to what happened to the Soviets in Afghanistan.
wigwam @ 280
The MANPADs in Afghanistan were NATO state of the art stingers, smuggled in by a wild character who’s having a movie made about him. OBL was all over that. No wonder the sovs went to hell in a handbasket.
By contraries, the weapons the iraqi insurgents have are 1980’s sov stuff, useless against our modern countermeasures. The only helos we have lost other than pilot error or sheer bad luck were to a quartet of early 1990’s Czech MANPADS (Hades I think) that a saudi sheik personally bought on the gun bourse and had smugged in. Said shiek had an unfortunate encounter with a truck bomb a month or so later. The Brits did him, not the US. seems the son of a major british lord was on one of the helos as an observer. Naughty naughty bad shiek.
Bottom line, the only reason our troops are dying is that bush wants the goddam oil. I am beginning to get annoyed with him.
I’m afraid my daughter has just lowered the boom on me. Busted. Will see everyone tomorrow night. Coming, daughter….ouch!
*poof of the being led away the by the ear sort*
althespook @ 282
thx for your updates, ak.
althespook @ 279
Wow. Thanks, Al, for an excellent summary and perspective.
I agree that al-Maliki is toast and will soon be replaced by Allawi, assuming that Moqtada Al-Sadr doesn’t get in the way.
Petraeus’s strategy seems to be:
– Arm cooperative Sunni to the point where they can defend themselves from becoming ethnic-cleansees, provided that they’ll cleanse Al Quaeda from their area.
– Install a more compliant Prime Minister, who’ll keep the Shiite malitias at bay, especially al-Sadr’s Mahdi Army.
– Broker a disengagement between the two forces and retreat to the well-prepared bases.
Damn, 4:45 am and ya’ll are still at it!
anyone who hasn’t read Glenn Greenwald’s friday post should do so. the guy is really together and his post is on fire.
good night to you all. i’m off to work.
althespook @ 266
It turns out that Allawi is scheduled to be on Press The Meet this Sunday. Somebody is building this ghoul up from the dead.
fahrender @ 285
Yeah, and his thursday post on the McConnell interview, too! I just sent several paragraphs from the McConnell piece to my Rep. in Congress.
Bob in HI
Good morning!
Still weirded out by McNerney’s answers to FDL folks. Seems to me if you require a Veto Proof Majority you have to agree with the agenda of the very lowest common denominator to gaurantee that VPM.
That wouldn’t be John “5000 By January” Warner or Olympia Snowe.
That would be someone more like Orrin Hatch or Kay Bailey Hutchinson… or maybe Bilbray or Dan Lungren in the House. Y’now. “moderates” to the center of Hunter and Issa. And it would almost be laughable that McNerney would accept these folks as setting the course for any REAL withdrawal!
And when you go that far down the ladder you basically get nothing. It wouldn’t HAVE TO BE “Veto PROOF” SIMPLY BECAUSE BUSH WOULD NOT VETO SUCH A WIMPY SYMBOLIC RESOLUTION. It’s a do-nothing legislation that merely makes those involved look like they are kissy-faced bipartisans while extending the time for the troops in Iraq to fall well after the the Bush regime is in the clear. The only other benefit is that the Pugs can’t use it to blame the Democrats when the Iraqi debacle becomes really awful for the troops.
To get his VPM he’ll have to sell his soul to the Devil…and lose his principles along the way.
McNerney should realize that what he’s shooting for would likely be nothing…all the while he accuses those who hold to strong principles of “doing nothing”. In actuality, it is THEIR POSITION that is putting pressure on the Republicans and forcing them to shift. By establishing solidarity it compels the Pugs to move towards THEIR position…as they would have to in order to get any future funding for Iraq passed. In fact, it only takes 40 Senators to filibuster such a bill…which gives progressives a heck of a lot of power.
Every time that there is a vote on Iraq the Republicans face increasing wrath from their constituents who, unlike Bush, don’t consider a “Vietnam War” like sacrifice of 50,000 US dead remotely conceivable.
Bush thinks that it’s worth THAT…and more…which is precisely what needs to be hammered at by Democrats. Bush didn’t think the US sacrificed ENOUGH in Vietnam.
Interesting amicus briefs filed by twenty retired federal judges (both Republican and Democratic appointees), two rear admirals and a Marine advocate generals, as well as 383 current or former members of the European and British parliaments on Friday in urging the Supreme Court to grant detainees at Guantanamo Bay full access to the U.S. court system
In another filing 25 retired American diplomat argued the Bush administration’s opposition to full court access “were seized upon by repressive governments as a license to incarcerate their own citizens and others with impunity.”
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..4si56yFz4D
The VFW and now the Legion. How many conventions do these guys have anyway?
Both always support any war or military adventure. Why? Because nothing gives their life meaning like standing at attention in a cemetery, flags waving, guns saluting. Where their ordinary lives as working stiffs can be forgotten and they can play their role in the solemn ceremony of burial. Where they can become part of some greater whole where they can identify with noble sacrifice for the greater good. Where they are heroes.
Then they can go back to the lodge and pound down a few brews.
Good morning, I’m anxiously awaiting Marion’s baked goodies. Raven, did you get rain. We had about 15 minutes.
Morning all. No good news this morning.
linky
Whistleblowers detained and suffer harsh interogation techniques.
That link to nbcnews doesn’t look right, but I think it works.
I love the captions – hilarious!
I read Glen Greenwald’s post this morning. There’s a lot there to get angry about. But, I keep thinking of Hillary. She’s my senator and, while I’m rooting for Edwards, I would not have been devasted if she won the nomination. Now, I don’t know. She certainly seems to be part of the establishment team. She was one of the first to speak out against Maliki. And, quite frankly, I wonder if she’s being paid to do so.
Am I alone, here?
solai @ 297
Nope :)
Good morning, you guys!
Morning. Most of the morning crew seems to be sleeping late today.
Good morning, pups. Today the NYT has Bob Herbert alone behind the firewall writing about the loss of the last of a group of jazz greats in a piece titled “Jammin’ With Gabriel,” but WordPress is doing some sort of maintenance for the next few hours so I can’t put it out yet. As soon as they let me…
The coffee and tea are ready, and I’ve got sticky, gooey cinnamon buns just out of the oven. Have a great day. My plants are celebrating — we got some rain yesterday afternoon and a bit more this morning. Hooray! And the heat may be lessening a tad. It’s only forecast to go up to 93 today, and 92 tomorrow, with a chance of rain again.
Marion in Savannah @ 301
Hallelujah that you got some rain and Hallelujah for the sticky buns ;)
We’ve had a cool spell in Upstate NY. But yesterday the temperatures soared. And today should be a beauty, too. If it doesn’t storm! Trying to get in one last weekend of swimming.
1,578 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen Solai and the Firepup Patriots:
Please, oh please reconsider your even reluctant acceptance of Mrs. Clinton as the nominee of our party…Mrs. Clinton is a wholly owned subsidiary of the corporate oligarchy with delusions of gettin her family into the priviledged class. She is more dangerous to our democracy and to the Democratic Party than any of the Republicans runnin’.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNTITION, AND DON’T LET ‘EM DO IT TO US AGAIN!!
that sounds like a delightful weekend solai.
Allawi’s going to be on Washington Journal at 9:30. It’s as if he’s got a $300,000 contract with a PR firm or something.
Allawi’s plan for Iraq
Hi again, pups. WordPress finished whatever maintenance they were doing, so here’s today’s column by Bob Herbert:
http://mgpaquin.wordpress.com/
Time for another cup of tea…
Pakistan tests nuclear-capable missile
twolf1 @ 307
maybe these really are the End Times
I think everyone who can should stand along his route with their backs turned to him. Silently.