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	<title>Comments on: Jerry McNerney To Chat At FDL Tonight, 6pm PT/9pm ET</title>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/24/jerry-mcnerney-to-chat-at-fdl-tonight-6pm-pt9pm-et/#comment-917399</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 23:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-917144&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Hugh @ 109&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I’m always saying thanks to you.  Anyway I just tried to send it so we’ll see if it arrives.  The chart contains the data for 2005, 2006, and through July 2007.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and thanks right back at ya.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i didn’t get it… will email you…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-917144"><em>Hugh @ 109</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>I’m always saying thanks to you.  Anyway I just tried to send it so we’ll see if it arrives.  The chart contains the data for 2005, 2006, and through July 2007.</p>
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<p>and thanks right back at ya.</p>
<p>i didn’t get it… will email you…</p>
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		<title>By: wesgpc</title>
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		<dc:creator>wesgpc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 21:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;One big thing I disagree with: I think it is very premature to be talking about withdrawl of support of an office holder based on a few comments reported by a biased press.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think the one hope we have of making a difference is to get a critical mass of new progressive Congress people. That is not going to work if important decisions about support and strategy are made within a two week period based on a couple of quotes in press articles written by interested hacks.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I am very disappointed by McNerney’s comments, or how they were reported, but we need to see how this unfolds over more time, what his statements and votes are after Congress is back in session in fall.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I hope people are polite and provide well thought out and concise statements of their positions and ask good questions.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I am more interested in finding out what McNerney’s thinking is on what to do over next six months than piling on over a couple of quotes I find distrubing.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One big thing I disagree with: I think it is very premature to be talking about withdrawl of support of an office holder based on a few comments reported by a biased press.</p>
<p>I think the one hope we have of making a difference is to get a critical mass of new progressive Congress people. That is not going to work if important decisions about support and strategy are made within a two week period based on a couple of quotes in press articles written by interested hacks.</p>
<p>I am very disappointed by McNerney’s comments, or how they were reported, but we need to see how this unfolds over more time, what his statements and votes are after Congress is back in session in fall.</p>
<p>I hope people are polite and provide well thought out and concise statements of their positions and ask good questions.</p>
<p>I am more interested in finding out what McNerney’s thinking is on what to do over next six months than piling on over a couple of quotes I find distrubing.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 20:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-917124&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;selise @ 106&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-917118&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Hugh @ 102&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I made a graph of this too a couple of days ago though I had nowhere to post it.  2007 death rates are higher but are showing the seasonality you mention.  2005 and 2006 are very similar.  2004 is atypical because of the two sieges of Falluja and the two spikes in deaths associated with them.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;hugh!!!!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;email me anything you want posted - i am happy to host for you… duh!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m always saying thanks to you.  Anyway I just tried to send it so we’ll see if it arrives.  The chart contains the data for 2005, 2006, and through July 2007.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-917124"><em>selise @ 106</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-917118"><em>Hugh @ 102</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>I made a graph of this too a couple of days ago though I had nowhere to post it.  2007 death rates are higher but are showing the seasonality you mention.  2005 and 2006 are very similar.  2004 is atypical because of the two sieges of Falluja and the two spikes in deaths associated with them.</p>
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<p>hugh!!!!</p>
<p>email me anything you want posted &#8211; i am happy to host for you… duh!</p>
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<p>I’m always saying thanks to you.  Anyway I just tried to send it so we’ll see if it arrives.  The chart contains the data for 2005, 2006, and through July 2007.</p>
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		<title>By: raven1</title>
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		<dc:creator>raven1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 20:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-917128&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;CTuttle @ 107&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-917082&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;The Lurking Mod @ 76&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;We know you and recognize that you’re not playing games with sock puppetry or anything along those lines&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Heh, we gotta get up mighty early to pull a fast one on Ya’ll…!!! ;-)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I loves the mods.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-917128"><em>CTuttle @ 107</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-917082"><em>The Lurking Mod @ 76</em></a></p>
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<p><i>We know you and recognize that you’re not playing games with sock puppetry or anything along those lines</i></p>
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<p>Heh, we gotta get up mighty early to pull a fast one on Ya’ll…!!! ;-)</p>
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<p>I loves the mods.</p>
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		<title>By: CTuttle</title>
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		<dc:creator>CTuttle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 20:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-917082&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;The Lurking Mod @ 76&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-917077&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;raven1 @ 71&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Like this.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;We know you and recognize that you’re not playing games with sock puppetry or anything along those lines&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Heh, we gotta get up mighty early to pull a fast one on Ya’ll…!!! ;-)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-917082"><em>The Lurking Mod @ 76</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-917077"><em>raven1 @ 71</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Like this.</p>
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<p><i>We know you and recognize that you’re not playing games with sock puppetry or anything along those lines</i></p>
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<p>Heh, we gotta get up mighty early to pull a fast one on Ya’ll…!!! ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
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		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 20:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-917118&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Hugh @ 102&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I made a graph of this too a couple of days ago though I had nowhere to post it.  2007 death rates are higher but are showing the seasonality you mention.  2005 and 2006 are very similar.  2004 is atypical because of the two sieges of Falluja and the two spikes in deaths associated with them.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;hugh!!!!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;email me anything you want posted - i am happy to host for you… duh!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-917118"><em>Hugh @ 102</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>I made a graph of this too a couple of days ago though I had nowhere to post it.  2007 death rates are higher but are showing the seasonality you mention.  2005 and 2006 are very similar.  2004 is atypical because of the two sieges of Falluja and the two spikes in deaths associated with them.</p>
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<p>hugh!!!!</p>
<p>email me anything you want posted &#8211; i am happy to host for you… duh!</p>
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		<title>By: retirin&#8217; in five</title>
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		<dc:creator>retirin&#8217; in five</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 20:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-917120&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;raven1 @ 105&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-917101&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;retirin’ in five @ 92&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Raven — no malice intended.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Course not, sheet I’m ugly as a hog rootin in manure anyways. There are a couple of shots on me and my bride on my FB.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m tubes-challenged and can’t get past the simple log-in without help from a higher authority — my daughter.  I’ll see if she can’t get me into FB some weekend.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-917120"><em>raven1 @ 105</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-917101"><em>retirin’ in five @ 92</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Raven — no malice intended.</p>
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<p>Course not, sheet I’m ugly as a hog rootin in manure anyways. There are a couple of shots on me and my bride on my FB.</p>
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<p>I’m tubes-challenged and can’t get past the simple log-in without help from a higher authority — my daughter.  I’ll see if she can’t get me into FB some weekend.</p>
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		<title>By: raven1</title>
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		<dc:creator>raven1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 20:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-917101&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;retirin’ in five @ 92&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Raven — no malice intended.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Course not, sheet I’m ugly as a hog rootin in manure anyways. There are a couple of shots on me and my bride on my FB.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-917101"><em>retirin’ in five @ 92</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Raven — no malice intended.</p>
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<p>Course not, sheet I’m ugly as a hog rootin in manure anyways. There are a couple of shots on me and my bride on my FB.</p>
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		<title>By: bobschacht</title>
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		<dc:creator>bobschacht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 20:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;re: &lt;b&gt;The Big Tent for Democrats&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ha! We’re all in a tizzy because McNerney seems to have moved a little from the Progressive platform that so many of us supported last year.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But here in Hawaii, things have been in a bit of an uproar for the past week because long-time Republican and rabid gay-basher &lt;a href=&quot;http://honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070821/NEWS02/708210341/1006/NEWS02&quot;&gt;Mike Gabbard all of a sudden wants to become a Democrat&lt;/a&gt;, so that local &lt;a href=&quot;http://pd-hawaii.com/blog/category/hi-politics/&quot;&gt;Progressives became alarmed &lt;/a&gt; (see entries for August 21). It turns out that there are NO litmus tests for being a Democrat in Hawaii; you don’t even have to support the platform of the Democratic Party. So, formally, there’s nothing to prevent Gabbard from becoming a Democrat. Of course there are certain things he would have to give up– like endorsing Republican Candidates.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But hey, that “Big Tent” tactic has worked here in Hawaii: Democrats have a veto-proof majority in both houses of the state legislature, so that they can tell our Republican Governor to STFU any time they want to. If they can all get on the same page about anything. Which they have &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.midweek.com/content/columns/therightprice_article/lingles_veto_ratio_is_abysmal/&quot;&gt;occasionally done&lt;/a&gt; (11 times this year). &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is not to say that I think our Representatives ought to be allowed to become marshmallows as soon as they’re elected. We need to hold McNerney and others whom we supported accountable. Kudos to him that he is willing to come engage with us on these issues.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bob in HI&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: <b>The Big Tent for Democrats</b></p>
<p>Ha! We’re all in a tizzy because McNerney seems to have moved a little from the Progressive platform that so many of us supported last year.</p>
<p>But here in Hawaii, things have been in a bit of an uproar for the past week because long-time Republican and rabid gay-basher <a href="http://honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070821/NEWS02/708210341/1006/NEWS02">Mike Gabbard all of a sudden wants to become a Democrat</a>, so that local <a href="http://pd-hawaii.com/blog/category/hi-politics/">Progressives became alarmed </a> (see entries for August 21). It turns out that there are NO litmus tests for being a Democrat in Hawaii; you don’t even have to support the platform of the Democratic Party. So, formally, there’s nothing to prevent Gabbard from becoming a Democrat. Of course there are certain things he would have to give up– like endorsing Republican Candidates.</p>
<p>But hey, that “Big Tent” tactic has worked here in Hawaii: Democrats have a veto-proof majority in both houses of the state legislature, so that they can tell our Republican Governor to STFU any time they want to. If they can all get on the same page about anything. Which they have <a href="http://www.midweek.com/content/columns/therightprice_article/lingles_veto_ratio_is_abysmal/">occasionally done</a> (11 times this year). </p>
<p>This is not to say that I think our Representatives ought to be allowed to become marshmallows as soon as they’re elected. We need to hold McNerney and others whom we supported accountable. Kudos to him that he is willing to come engage with us on these issues.</p>
<p>Bob in HI</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 19:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-917086&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;realworld @ 80&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-916977&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;perris @ 8&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I posted this downstairs with regard to the supposed success of the surge, you really have to check out these metrics, anyone claiming there is success is being rediculous;&lt;br /&gt;
snip…
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Perris,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The other thing we will hear is that violence is down and the comparison will be between now and pre-surge. I’ve been keeping a graph of 2006 vs 2007 coalition casualties  at my blog for a while and it shows that the two years have exactly the same pattern in terms of the seasonality of deaths. The summer is just too hot and windy for much fighting. So of course casualties are down from the Winter and Spring.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I made a graph of this too a couple of days ago though I had nowhere to post it.  2007 death rates are higher but are showing the seasonality you mention.  2005 and 2006 are very similar.  2004 is atypical because of the two sieges of Falluja and the two spikes in deaths associated with them.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-916977"><em>perris @ 8</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>I posted this downstairs with regard to the supposed success of the surge, you really have to check out these metrics, anyone claiming there is success is being rediculous;<br />
snip…
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<p>Perris,</p>
<p>The other thing we will hear is that violence is down and the comparison will be between now and pre-surge. I’ve been keeping a graph of 2006 vs 2007 coalition casualties  at my blog for a while and it shows that the two years have exactly the same pattern in terms of the seasonality of deaths. The summer is just too hot and windy for much fighting. So of course casualties are down from the Winter and Spring.</p>
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<p>I made a graph of this too a couple of days ago though I had nowhere to post it.  2007 death rates are higher but are showing the seasonality you mention.  2005 and 2006 are very similar.  2004 is atypical because of the two sieges of Falluja and the two spikes in deaths associated with them.</p>
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