“The political brain” hella title!

peanutbutter @ 1

“The political brain” hella title!

Meaning, you can read that a couple of different ways…sounds like a very interesting book, okay off to tell downstairs…

How low can the numbers go for Bush and congress?

http://www.reuters.com/article…..liticsNews

I’m a doctor (Ed.D) take two of these and call me in the morning!

1,577 dayz and the killin’ goez on and on and..

Citizen Hamsher and the Firepup Patriots:

The real question is: why haven’t people discovered Shays’ insanity long before now?

KEEP THE FAITH BUT VERIFY!!

OT: Here is WaPo’s list of who is supporting Ari Fleischer’s pro-war ad project, Freedom’s Watch. And here is Justin Raimondo’s commentary, which includes expanded biographies of those folks.

has Shays become crazy as a peach-orchard boar?

I haven’t heard that one in twenty years.

I was trying to find that outrageously inappropriate comment that Congressman Shays made to (I can’t remember who) about ripping off clothes and screaming.

Kathleen @ 8

I was trying to find that outrageously inappropriate comment that Congressman Shays made to (I can’t remember who) about ripping off clothes and screaming.

He was despicable toward the Katrina victims in the hearing they had.

Good afternoon. Glad everyone else was up early and holding down the peach orchard. Love that one, Jane. Keep them coming.

Hi Jane:

While the subject is important, I’m really astounded that you use stigmatizing terms throughout the post about mental illness. Are returning vets with PTSD as “crazy as peach-orchard boars”? Mental illness is stigmatized more than enough. If you really believe in the inherent worth and dignity of all persons, then please reflect that in your writing. Ad hominem attacks have no place in civil discourse – or anywhere.

LS @ 9

Kathleen @ 8

I was trying to find that outrageously inappropriate comment that Congressman Shays made to (I can’t remember who) about ripping off clothes and screaming.

He was despicable toward the Katrina victims in the hearing they had.

I believe this was a statement made in response during the FISA hearings

wigwam @ 6

OT: Here is WaPo’s list of who is supporting Ari Fleischer’s pro-war ad project, Freedom’s Watch. And here is Justin Raimondo’s commentary, which includes expanded biographies of those folks.

Thanks

From the AP via today’s Hartford Courant: Shays calls Dems investigations of politics a witch hunt

Speaking of political brains, EPU’d on the last thread was my post about Hawaii, where long-time gay-bashing Republican Mike Gabbard allasudden wants to become a Democrat (see link to thread downstairs for details and links). Maybe Shays should just declare that he wants to become a Democrat.

Bob in HI

bobschacht @ 15

Speaking of political brains, EPU’d on the last thread was my post about Hawaii, where long-time gay-bashing Republican Mike Gabbard allasudden wants to become a Democrat (see link to thread downstairs for details and links). Maybe Shays should just declare that he wants to become a Democrat.

Bob in HI

Hey, last time I was there they had laws about posters for election so people got in big groups at intersections and waved like hell. The first time I saw it I though, damn, these folks are friendly. Do ya’ll still do that?

I’m on page 102 of The Political Brain. So far, I’m impressed.

I was looking through youtube on Shays and came across a radio interview…bad annoying audio, where Shays states that he believed Bill C. raped someone. He should have been sued for that.

N=1 @ 11

Hi Jane:

While the subject is important, I’m really astounded that you use stigmatizing terms throughout the post about mental illness. Are returning vets with PTSD as “crazy as peach-orchard boars”? Mental illness is stigmatized more than enough. If you really believe in the inherent worth and dignity of all persons, then please reflect that in your writing. Ad hominem attacks have no place in civil discourse – or anywhere.

You’re the second person in a couple days to gripe about “ad hominem” attacks. Does that mean people around here should forego calling warmongers “chickenhawks” or that they should omit mention of Bush’s truncated National Guard service when he gives a speech comparing Iraq to Vietnam? Invective and insults aren’t the same thing as “ad hominem” attacks, which often have their place in spirited debate, at least among people who aren’t pollyannas. That said, when a Congressman’s demeanor is inappropriate, when he’s rude, gabby, irritable and incoherent, it’s fair to suggest, even if only in jest, that he might be unfit for office. Someone’s always going to take offense at something. Come on.

brendan @ 19

N=1 @ 11

Hi Jane:

While the subject is important, I’m really astounded that you use stigmatizing terms throughout the post about mental illness. Are returning vets with PTSD as “crazy as peach-orchard boars”? Mental illness is stigmatized more than enough. If you really believe in the inherent worth and dignity of all persons, then please reflect that in your writing. Ad hominem attacks have no place in civil discourse – or anywhere.

You’re the second person in a couple days to gripe about “ad hominem” attacks. Does that mean people around here should forego calling warmongers “chickenhawks” or that they should omit mention of Bush’s truncated National Guard service when he gives a speech comparing Iraq to Vietnam? Invective and insults aren’t the same thing as “ad hominem” attacks, which often have their place in spirited debate, at least among people who aren’t pollyannas. That said, when a Congressman’s demeanor is inappropriate, when he’s rude, gabby, irritable and incoherent, it’s fair to suggest, even if only in jest, that he might be unfit for office. Someone’s always going to take offense at something. Come on.

You know what Roseann Roseanna Danna said, “It’s always something”!

Someone’s always going to take offense at something. Come on.

It’s oversight-hearing withdrawal, I’m tellin’ ya.

Well, that and the fact that the R’s are *using* the month of August, while the D’s are still all in hiding after the FISA vote.

Actually I rather like the “It’s Jane’s Blog and she can say whatever the fuck she wants” but that’s just me.

raven1 @ 22

Actually I rather like the “It’s Jane’s Blog and she can say whatever the fuck she wants” but that’s just me.

I concur.

Plausible deniability — “We were on vacation!”. Who could have predicted what BushCo might do during recess?”

raven1 @ 22

Actually I rather like the “It’s Jane’s Blog and she can say whatever the fuck she wants” but that’s just me.

Ding!

brendan @ 19

N=1 @ 11

Hi Jane:

While the subject is important, I’m really astounded that you use stigmatizing terms throughout the post about mental illness. Are returning vets with PTSD as “crazy as peach-orchard boars”? Mental illness is stigmatized more than enough. If you really believe in the inherent worth and dignity of all persons, then please reflect that in your writing. Ad hominem attacks have no place in civil discourse – or anywhere.

You’re the second person in a couple days to gripe about “ad hominem” attacks. Does that mean people around here should forego calling warmongers “chickenhawks” or that they should omit mention of Bush’s truncated National Guard service when he gives a speech comparing Iraq to Vietnam? Invective and insults aren’t the same thing as “ad hominem” attacks, which often have their place in spirited debate, at least among people who aren’t pollyannas. That said, when a Congressman’s demeanor is inappropriate, when he’s rude, gabby, irritable and incoherent, it’s fair to suggest, even if only in jest, that he might be unfit for office. Someone’s always going to take offense at something. Come on.

Ad hominem is attacking the character and the essence of the person. To use stigmatizing labels for mental illness is below the belt, and doing that is very distinct from using a chickenhawk label and the like. One can make a point about the deficiencies of another’s behavior and actions without invoking demeaning and stigmatizing labels. This isn’t the only progressive blog which employs an inconsistent a double standard. However, I would like to think that once made aware of it, that the stigmatizing and demeaning would diminish and eventually be eliminated altogether. If not, I am aware that I can always choose to visit sites that do attempt to hold discourse without ad hominem attacks.

bobschacht @ 15

Speaking of political brains, EPU’d on the last thread was my post about Hawaii, where long-time gay-bashing Republican Mike Gabbard allasudden wants to become a Democrat (see link to thread downstairs for details and links). Maybe Shays should just declare that he wants to become a Democrat.

Bob in HI

I was aghast when I read that in the paper the other day, Bob!!! No way will he supplant Neil or Mazie!

epu’d:

For Selise, yes, I should have that panel on video. It’s on of about 60 raw video captures we have of the SL broadcasts we did. We’re working feverishly, if episodically to edit them and get them up on the web. I didn’t expect to be an archival source for YK, so I am hoping we have everything. One panel, with Glenn G, Jay Carney and others is apparently corrupted.

For Jane: Hi yourself. Nice to finally meet you.

for *xyz: thanks for the conversation in the hallway at YKos on ending the occupation. I found it insightful.

Finally, for whoever said they are keeping the bases secret, they are not. George Packer visited two, and reported on them in the New Yorker. James Fallows has reported on them as well.

The situation is worse than keeping the bases and plans for permanent occupation secret. It’s not a secret. It’s just that nobody dares talk about it because all hell will break loose, and they know it. And that includes the Democratic candidates.

raven1 @ 16

bobschacht @ 15

Speaking of political brains, EPU’d on the last thread was my post about Hawaii, where long-time gay-bashing Republican Mike Gabbard allasudden wants to become a Democrat (see link to thread downstairs for details and links). Maybe Shays should just declare that he wants to become a Democrat.

Bob in HI

Hey, last time I was there they had laws about posters for election so people got in big groups at intersections and waved like hell. The first time I saw it I though, damn, these folks are friendly. Do ya’ll still do that?

They’ve severely restricted when and where they can do it, due to accidents that have occurred! But, we still allow it!!!

TRex @ 23

raven1 @ 22

Actually I rather like the “It’s Jane’s Blog and she can say whatever the fuck she wants” but that’s just me.

I concur.

Given your “let’s all hate” post the other night, and the general agreement that ad hominem is just okie dokie here, I’ll be movin’ right along. Not my cuppa.

And I just happened to be listening to Joni

My analyst told me (what) that I was right out of my head the way he described it (how) he said I’d be better dead than live I didn’t listen to his jive I knew all along he was all wrong and I knew that he thought (what) I was crazy but I’m not oh no oh no oh no

My analyst told me (what) that I was right out of my head he said I’d need treatment (yeah) but I’m not that easily led he said I was the type that was most inclined when out of his sight to be out of my mind and he thought I was nuts (nuts) no more ifs or ands or buts oh no oh no oh no

They say as a child I appeared a little bit wild with all my crazy ideas but I knew what was happening I knew I was a genius what’s so strange when you know that you’re a wizard at three I knew that this was meant to be

But I heard little children were supposed to sleep tight that’s why i drank a fifth of vodka one night my parents got frantic didn’t know what to do but I saw some crazy scenes before I came to now do you think I was crazy I may have been only three but I was swinging

They all laughed at A. Graham Bell they all laughed at Edison and also at Einstein so why should I feel sorry if they just couldn’t understand the reasoning and the logic that went on in my head I had a brain it was insane oh but they loved to laugh at me when I refused to ride on all those double decker buses all because there was no driver on the top (no driver on the top she’s twisted what’s the matter with her)

My analyst told me (what) that I was right out of my head the way he described it (how) he said I’d be better dead than live I didn’t listen to his jive I knew all along he was all wrong and I knew that he thought (what) I was crazy but I’m not oh no oh no oh no

My analyst told me (what) that I was right out of my head but I said dear doctor (yeah) I think that it’s you instead ’cause I have got a thing that’s unique and new it proves that I’ll have the last laugh on you ’cause instead of one head I got two and you know two heads are better than one

N=1 @ 30

TRex @ 23

I concur.

Given your “let’s all hate” post the other night, and the general agreement that ad hominem is just okie dokie here, I’ll be movin’ right along. Not my cuppa.

It’s Friday…I declare national beer thirty. Peace.

Yeah, N=1, go easy. We’re all on the same side here — if I might be so presumptuous.

Shays is just down right mean spirited. He’s got his. Unfortunately, his mental health is in tact. He’d be a kinder person otherwise. Shays reminds me of an old friend of mine who spent some time with her Ambassador husband in one of the African countries. Her son was nine years old and with them. I always thought how wonderful to have your parents living in other countries. You would learn so much.

She told me an incident that took place that reminds me of what Chris Shays may have been like as a little boy. They stopped at a large village for what reasons I no longer remember. There was a terrible famine in the countryside. Starvation surrounded them. The children stared at their luxury car with vacant eyes, distended stomachs and the pain of malnutrition on their faces. Suddenly, there was a commotion around them. When she looked over her nine year old son was munching on his treats, taunting the starving children with what he had and they didn’t, smirking at them. She was so enraged that she literally jumped on him, grabbed his treats away and was screaming at him. The driver pulled her off. She said she never could relate to her son. He had no compassion and had a cruel streak that was beyond her understanding. Her final statement to me was, “I couldn’t believe this came out of my body.”

I wonder if Chris Shays mother says something similar.

retirin’ in five @ 33

Yeah, N=1, go easy. We’re all on the same side here — if I might be so presumptuous.

Aw, everybody get’s a case of the ass like a russian bear now and then!

It’s Friday…I declare national beer thirty. Peace.

Cool!
I’ll go tell my boss.

Is it Ad Hominem for Shays to accuse B. Clinton of being a rapist?

Folks – It’s tough being out here during recess, being pounded every day with dangerous garbage by the Bushites. But, every time they read us snarling at one another, they SMILE. Remember, we have to hew to a higher standard because we are on the side of right.

LS @ 37

Is it Ad Hominem for Shays to accuse B. Clinton of being a rapist?

I think that was ad HUMinem!

Raven — “case of the ass”. Haven’t heard that in many a year. Thanks.

And yeah Toby — this recess bullshit sucks!

TRex @ 23

raven1 @ 22

Actually I rather like the “It’s Jane’s Blog and she can say whatever the fuck she wants” but that’s just me.

I concur.

So can N=1.

retirin’ in five @ 40

Raven — “case of the ass”. Haven’t heard that in many a year. Thanks.

And yeah Toby — this recess bullshit sucks!

I figgered that would get ya!

Shays has taken to espousing the virtues of stem cell research lately, presumably b/c its a solid winner with the Connecticut public. He’s got to keep his trap shut about stem cells when he’s hanging with his cell-cluster loving rethug homeboys in Congress though.

I hope the people of CT realize that nothing good will come at the federal level for stem cell research til the Republican hypocrites are overwhelmingly outnumbered. Shays and all republicans need to be replaced.

raven1 @ 31

And I just happened to be listening to Joni

Just this very moment on satellite radio.

Jane Hamsher @ 41

TRex @ 23

I concur.

So can N=1.

I think he/she did. AMF

Toby Wollin @ 38

Folks – It’s tough being out here during recess, being pounded every day with dangerous garbage by the Bushites. But, every time they read us snarling at one another, they SMILE. Remember, we have to hew to a higher standard because we are on the side of right.

We are?? Well, then why did the “hew to a higher standard because we are on the side of the right” allow the FISA bill to go through? I’m still really ticked off…sorry..nothing personal.

raven1 @ 39

LS @ 37

Is it Ad Hominem for Shays to accuse B. Clinton of being a rapist?

I think that was ad HUMinem!

;>

Besides, the phrase “crazy as a peach-orchard boar” means that the subject is DRUNK not INSANE.

Any critter that gorges on rotten (i.e. fermented) windfall fruit gets drunk, and many animals deliberately do so.

I think Jane wants us to infer that Shays has been indulging in things he shouldn’t have…

Bustednuckles @ 7

has Shays become crazy as a peach-orchard boar?

I haven’t heard that one in twenty years.

I’ve never heard it before. what does it mean?

Unless I am mistaken crazy as a peach orchard boar refers to pigs who eat partially fermented fruit and get drunk. It is not a reference to mental illness but I could be wrong.

Ah, I see that Brisingamen has beaten me to this. Great minds. . .

looseheadprop @ 49

Bustednuckles @ 7

I haven’t heard that one in twenty years.

I’ve never heard it before. what does it mean?

Army talk, when someone was really pissed.

N=1 @ 11

Hi Jane:

While the subject is important, I’m really astounded that you use stigmatizing terms throughout the post about mental illness. Are returning vets with PTSD as “crazy as peach-orchard boars”? Mental illness is stigmatized more than enough. If you really believe in the inherent worth and dignity of all persons, then please reflect that in your writing. Ad hominem attacks have no place in civil discourse – or anywhere.

Interesting (to me) but somewhat OT: This isn’t the first time I’ve seen “inherent worth and dignity of all persons” in the comments. That is the first of the 7 principles of the Unitarian Universalist denomination. Are you a UU? I think many progressives, regardless of their religious affiliations, would be very comfortable with most of those 7 principles.

Hugh @ 50

Unless I am mistaken crazy as a peach orchard boar refers to pigs who eat partially fermented fruit and get drunk. It is not a reference to mental illness but I could be wrong.

Sorta like Paul Butterfield’s “Drunker than granma’s ol yeller hawg”! m You know the Koreans get their pigs drunk so they can take em to market on a bicycle. And don’t anyone even think about telling me that’s OT!

Speaking of Howie Klein:

I’ll be posting this again and again (until I get caught) between now and Sept. 27, for any SoCal firepups who are able to come.

Howie Klein will be speaking to the Foothill Community Democrats club on Thursday Sept. 27 at the Peach Cafe in Monrovia from 7-9. Details to follow.

raven1 @ 53

Sorta like Paul Butterfield’s “Drunker than granma’s ol yeller hawg”! m You know the Koreans get their pigs drunk so they can take em to market on a bicycle. And don’t anyone even think about telling me that’s OT!

The three little pigs went all by themselves…. and they were sober. I know, I was there.

And don’t anyone even think about telling me that’s OT!

drunken Chinese pigs on a bicycle? Never off topic, any more than drunken Republican pigs in D.C. limo’s would be.

nomolos @ 55

raven1 @ 53

Sorta like Paul Butterfield’s “Drunker than granma’s ol yeller hawg”! m You know the Koreans get their pigs drunk so they can take em to market on a bicycle. And don’t anyone even think about telling me that’s OT!

The three little pigs went all by themselves…. and they were sober. I know, I was there.

That just made me really sad.

What the heck has happened to Shays in the last few years. I used to actually like him and he took the right side in the Terry Schiavo case.

That being said, I’ve listened to him at a number of hearings and he has gotten positively shrill and out of control. The Shiite v. Sunni comment was pretty over the top.

I’m happy that someone not Diane Farrell is running against him. My man is Chris Murphy but will be happy to work for Mr. Himes.

LS@46: when I speak of “we” I mean us here at FDL. Yes, this is Jane and Christy’s “livingroom” and as such they are the hosts and can say what they want. And we are guests and can behave ourselves as guests should do. But, if we flog one another, all it does is break up the cohesion, which is what the GOP’ers want. Remember, they survive and thrive on our killing each other off. They grow on our eviscerating our own. We are all ticked off with what happened to FISA. I spent that week calling and emailing and going crazy and probably raised my blood pressure a good twenty points with that. And I was heartily disappointed, though not with my guys because they did the right thing. But just because the rhetoric “out there” gets nasty does not give us the privilege of using the same garbage here. N=1 is a healthcare professional; she is very sensitized to how mental health issues are portrayed. She is working very very hard in an area that is not getting nearly enough attention from us or anyone else. We need to support her. We need to support anyone who walks in the door and is evidence of what Bushco has done to thie country and to the world. That is my point. It is hard in August, when it is hot, humid, and nasty, with all of this junk being spewed out of the Bush Admin. which threatens to a) keep us in Iraq for at least a generation, b) get us into Iran, for..well ditto, c) bring in everyone within the region into the conflagration, and bring us all under totalitarian domination by the bunch of seemingly amoral fanatics. It is hard. But doing the easy stuff just has not paid off. Every day I am reminded that all I did in 2000 and 2004 to stop Bush…was to go vote. I thought it was enough and the rest would take care of itself. Well, it doesn’t and in order for us to get any purchase on this deal, we all have to work together and support one another…even when…it’s just a little bit uncomfy. My two cents.

Please send any and all complaints to eschatonmail AT comcast DOT net.

Thanks!

Yeah, well Chris Shays ain’t drunk either; he’s just a mean SOB. Who knows, he might be a nice drunk since he IS such a mean sober.

Here it is. Remember during the testimony of GSA head Laurita Doan Congressman Shays said

JGabriel says:

June 13th, 2007 at 10:13 am
Shroter Shays: “Rip your clothes and scream, “I HAVE SINNED, I HAVE SINNED, I HAVE SINNED!”

Damn, Shays has some strange fantasies

Shay “Rip your clothes” that was out of line.

an african american woman and a Republican

all in several sentences.

Dr. Freud please take the stand

143

jayt @ 56

And don’t anyone even think about telling me that’s OT!

drunken Chinese pigs on a bicycle? Never off topic, any more than drunken Republican pigs in D.C. limo’s would be.

Korean

Shays has a problem with the “little people” (bloggers) check out the you tube

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/…..s-shiites/

nomolos @ 55

The three little pigs went all by themselves…. and they were sober. I know, I was there.

That just made me really sad.

Its OK they came home again.

On topic:

Shays is in the same predicament that Peter (”I thank God every night that George W. Bush is my president”)King is in.

Having tied himslef to Shrub’s failed war and lost real support from his constituents, the only way he stays in power is by being propped up by the WH.

This is similar to what Newt Gingrich did with GOPAC. He recruited weak candidates to run in targeted races. These were folks who could not raise money or put together campaign organizations on their own.

GOPAC funded tham and assigned them campaign staff. Thereafter, the GOPAC candiadtes had to do whatever Newt wanted b/c if he withdrew GOPAC support they could never get re-elected.

Rove saw the reliability in that.

Jane Hamsher @ 41

TRex @ 23

I concur.

So can N=1.

We all are on the same page. Has anyone noticed how stressed-out, under duress, defensive, argumentative, and fear saturated we all are? This administration is collectively destroying the mental health of all Americans. Rightful paranoia about retirement, social security, savings, jobs, health insurance, and robbing peter to pay paul with the monthly bills has put the majority of US Citizens behind the eight-ball. The BushCo assholes have ripped away the social safety nets, destroying democracy. They tell us repeatedly with their hands in our wallets, “it sucks to be you.” Have we had enough yet?

Sorta like Paul Butterfield’s “Drunker than granma’s ol yeller hawg”!

My Dad alway’s said to get drunker than a piss boiled owl.

Never quite figured that one out.

raven1 @ 63

jayt @ 56

And don’t anyone even think about telling me that’s OT!

drunken Chinese pigs on a bicycle? Never off topic, any more than drunken Republican pigs in D.C. limo’s would be.

Korean

Oh. Well that makes no sense whatsoever then. Please try to stay on topic. /s

Toby Wollin @ 59

LS@46: when I speak of “we” I mean us here at FDL. Yes, this is Jane and Christy’s “livingroom” and as such they are the hosts and can say what they want. And we are guests and can behave ourselves as guests should do. But, if we flog one another, all it does is break up the cohesion, which is what the GOP’ers want. Remember, they survive and thrive on our killing each other off. They grow on our eviscerating our own. We are all ticked off with what happened to FISA. I spent that week calling and emailing and going crazy and probably raised my blood pressure a good twenty points with that. And I was heartily disappointed, though not with my guys because they did the right thing. But just because the rhetoric “out there” gets nasty does not give us the privilege of using the same garbage here. N=1 is a healthcare professional; she is very sensitized to how mental health issues are portrayed. She is working very very hard in an area that is not getting nearly enough attention from us or anyone else. We need to support her. We need to support anyone who walks in the door and is evidence of what Bushco has done to thie country and to the world. That is my point. It is hard in August, when it is hot, humid, and nasty, with all of this junk being spewed out of the Bush Admin. which threatens to a) keep us in Iraq for at least a generation, b) get us into Iran, for..well ditto, c) bring in everyone within the region into the conflagration, and bring us all under totalitarian domination by the bunch of seemingly amoral fanatics. It is hard. But doing the easy stuff just has not paid off. Every day I am reminded that all I did in 2000 and 2004 to stop Bush…was to go vote. I thought it was enough and the rest would take care of itself. Well, it doesn’t and in order for us to get any purchase on this deal, we all have to work together and support one another…even when…it’s just a little bit uncomfy. My two cents.

I agree with you, and I understand exactly where you are coming from. I support N=1 and everyone on FDL and all the other souls that want this nightmare to end. You are right that infighting is counterproductive, however our representatives must pull their weight. It gets my blood pressure up there too, that’s why I’m having a beer on this hot, humid August afternoon.

Bustednuckles @ 68

Sorta like Paul Butterfield’s “Drunker than granma’s ol yeller hawg”!

My Dad alway’s said to get drunker than a piss boiled owl.

Never quite figured that one out.

A….piss….boiled….owl? Oh, the imagery. This is not good for someone with an imagination with a tendency to run wild.

It’s always a little testy here. It’s a political blog and people have different agenda’s. Sometimes I tune out because the topic doesn’t interest me. Sometimes I go OT. Sometimes people want to stay on topic and they say so. It’s a living document.

raven1 @ 53

Hugh @ 50

Unless I am mistaken crazy as a peach orchard boar refers to pigs who eat partially fermented fruit and get drunk. It is not a reference to mental illness but I could be wrong.

Sorta like Paul Butterfield’s “Drunker than granma’s ol yeller hawg”! m You know the Koreans get their pigs drunk so they can take em to market on a bicycle. And don’t anyone even think about telling me that’s OT!

It’s OT, you’ve been nipping at the Shoju bottle, eh???

jayt @ 56

And don’t anyone even think about telling me that’s OT!

drunken Chinese pigs on a bicycle? Never off topic, any more than drunken Republican pigs in D.C. limo’s would be.

Republicans never get drunk, never use illegal substances, never over-eat, never engage in pre-marital sex, always use the missionary position, always respect the law, always respect the privacy of others, and never miss a day of church.

Just ask one and he will tell you.

QuakerGirl @ 71

Bustednuckles @ 68

My Dad alway’s said to get drunker than a piss boiled owl.

Never quite figured that one out.

A….piss….boiled….owl? Oh, the imagery. This is not good for someone with an imagination with a tendency to run wild.

They always say you should not piss on a campfire…owls are symbolic of wisdom…don’t piss on wisdom???

Hugh @ 50

Unless I am mistaken crazy as a peach orchard boar refers to pigs who eat partially fermented fruit and get drunk. It is not a reference to mental illness but I could be wrong.

Ah, I see that Brisingamen has beaten me to this. Great minds. . .

Thanks, but not necessarily a great mind…try dealing with a large horse who got into an apple orchard and indulged. If you’ve never had to treat a drunk horse who is also collicking, count yourself lucky.

Then there was the night the drunk fruit bat flew into the house…

jayt @ 69

raven1 @ 63

Korean

Oh. Well that makes no sense whatsoever then. Please try to stay on topic. /s

Think I’m kiddin, Scroll down here

raven1 @ 72

It’s always a little testy here. It’s a political blog and people have different agenda’s. Sometimes I tune out because the topic doesn’t interest me. Sometimes I go OT. Sometimes people want to stay on topic and they say so. It’s a living document.

Well stated. This is what’s so terrific about it. Reality is never tied in a neat bow.

Just another tidbit…in Britain if you say that someone’s pissed, it means that they are drunk, not angry…

RockPaperScizzors @ 67

Jane Hamsher @ 41

So can N=1.

We all are on the same page. Has anyone noticed how stressed-out, under duress, defensive, argumentative, and fear saturated we all are? This administration is collectively destroying the mental health of all Americans. Rightful paranoia about retirement, social security, savings, jobs, health insurance, and robbing peter to pay paul with the monthly bills has put the majority of US Citizens behind the eight-ball. The BushCo assholes have ripped away the social safety nets, destroying democracy. They tell us repeatedly with their hands in our wallets, “it sucks to be you.” Have we had enough yet?

I was a thwarted and bitter little man at a job I hate before Bush ever came along.

wigwam @ 6

OT: Here is WaPo’s list of who is supporting Ari Fleischer’s pro-war ad project, Freedom’s Watch. And here is Justin Raimondo’s commentary, which includes expanded biographies of those folks.

In case anyone missed this above. Highly recommended. I just e-mailed it to all my friends.

Republicans never get drunk, never use illegal substances, never over-eat, never engage in pre-marital sex, always use the missionary position, always respect the law, always respect the privacy of others, and never miss a day of church.

Well that sure changes the guest list for my next party!

FWIW

Ad hominem means this in logical argumentation, by way of example:

Party A argues, for example, that a FISA wiretap violates the Fourth and Fourteenth Amendment.

By argues, I mean lays out his or her reasoning.

Party B, rather than challenging the assumptions or the logic of the reasoning, says, “Well, isn’t it interesting that such an argument is made by someone who used pot in college.”

Ad hominem means attacking the person making an argument, not the argument.

An ad hominem response, IOW, is a logical fallacy.

Jane didn’t employ an ad hominem attack against Chris Shays, because Jane was not seeking to deflect some argument of his.

Jane simply described him — accurately, in my view — as having no greater sense than an oinker in an orchard.

Glorious RAIN it Athens!

Brisingamen @ 76

Hugh @ 50

Unless I am mistaken crazy as a peach orchard boar refers to pigs who eat partially fermented fruit and get drunk. It is not a reference to mental illness but I could be wrong.

Ah, I see that Brisingamen has beaten me to this. Great minds. . .

Thanks, but not necessarily a great mind…try dealing with a large horse who got into an apple orchard and indulged. If you’ve never had to treat a drunk horse who is also collicking, count yourself lucky.

Then there was the night the drunk fruit bat flew into the house…

I’ve seen tons of dead drunk robins that ate chinaberries…I’ve also dealt with a bunch of horses over the years with colic…a drunk one..wow…what to do…20 adv*l (horses can take adv*l) and call me in the morning?

raven1 @ 77

jayt @ 69

Oh. Well that makes no sense whatsoever then. Please try to stay on topic. /s

Think I’m kiddin, Scroll down here

dude, *I* was just kidding. What the heck is wrong my my close snark tag?

/s……… Nope, not workin’, I guess.

N=1, one person’s “stigmatizing terms” is another person’s colorful writing style with attitude. The overriding message is consistent and true.

jayt @ 86

raven1 @ 77

Think I’m kiddin, Scroll down here

dude, *I* was just kidding. What the heck is wrong my my close snark tag?

/s……… Nope, not workin’, I guess.

Oh, it’s cool, I just thought you’d like to see the pictures.

Jonathan @ 83

FWIW

Ad hominem means this in logical argumentation, by way of example:

Party A argues, for example, that a FISA wiretap violates the Fourth and Fourteenth Amendment.

By argues, I mean lays out his or her reasoning.

Party B, rather than challenging the assumptions or the logic of the reasoning, says, “Well, isn’t it interesting that such an argument is made by someone who used pot in college.”

Ad hominem means attacking the person making an argument, not the argument.

An ad hominem response, IOW, is a logical fallacy.

Jane didn’t employ an ad hominem attack against Chris Shays, because Jane was not seeking to deflect some argument of his.

Jane simply described him — accurately, in my view — as having no greater sense than an oinker in an orchard.

In the south they say “drunker than a hoot owl” – don’t know why.

Jonathan @ 83

Jane simply described him — accurately, in my view — as having no greater sense than an oinker in an orchard.

Foul mouthed fem-blogger? *g*

Anvil.

I just wanted to see if it was moderated.

People, I’m a friggin’ psychologist, and if I can’t call someone batshit crazy, then I quit.

No, I take that back. I won’t quit.

Here’s my prescription: lighten up. Lots of what we’re seeing in the public arena is, in fact, batshit crazy. And that’s a professional opinion.

you’re gonna love this, according to the nie, one of the reasons there is any gain during the surge haa been because they expected us to leave

think progress;[caps lock and bold are mine]

Much of the touted security gains have come in the Anbar province, a region that was not the target of Bush’s escalation. In fact, progress in Anbar pre-dated the surge and occurred EHILR TROOP NUMBERS WERE BEING REDUCED IN THE REGION.

The NIE states that local security arrangements such as those in Anbar province are being formed in response to imminent U.S. withdrawal, and that these “bottom up”

check this part out, according to the nie, that is the best hope for any kind of success;

security initiatives “represent the best prospect for improved security over the next six to 12 months”:

so what I’ve been saying as a joke is actually true, since al anwar is where there is gain, that is where there is no surge, a person could actually say the surge worked wherever there was no surge

and they could actually say with a straight face, without joking, the surge would be more effective if we surged the tropps home to america

there

that is a strategy we could all live with

raven1 @ 88

jayt @ 86

dude, *I* was just kidding. What the heck is wrong my my close snark tag?

/s……… Nope, not workin’, I guess.

Oh, it’s cool, I just thought you’d like to see the pictures.

*sigh* I guess you missed my shoju remark, that pictorial display sure brought some memories back…!!!

Thanks Pach,
BTW, how much you charge an hour and do I have to put plastic over the couch to keep the grease off?

Hmmmm….Clinton said something interesting..about if “something” happened between now and the elections…I’d like to see the quote.

Lots of what we’re seeing in the public arena is, in fact, batshit crazy. And that’s a professional opinion.

“Batshit crazy”. Damn.

Could you put that in layman’s terms?

JOnah Goldberg over at National Review thought Libby should go free for outing an undercover agent. He also thoughtValerie and Joe Wilson were really mean to Libby

http://article.nationalreview……U3M2MyMjY=

But when it come to throwing people in jail for mistreating dogs Jonah Goldberg is all about it
“So when these men behave like devils and revel in the lowest aspects of humanity, it will not do to suddenly declare “it’s just a job.” (The NFL, though hardly in danger of succumbing to an epidemic of moral integrity, can surely see this distinction, at least as an issue of brand integrity.)”

http://article.nationalreview……A5ZGE5N2Q=

So in Jonah Goldberg’s book when you kill or hurt dogs you should do your time, but when
you out a CIA agent who is operating undercover and this outing undermines National Security you should be let off.

I don’t think I will ever understand these radicals thinking having to do with Justice.

raven1 @ 77

jayt @ 69

Oh. Well that makes no sense whatsoever then. Please try to stay on topic. /s

Think I’m kiddin, Scroll down here

Raven, great pictures.

LS @ 96

Hmmmm….Clinton said something interesting..about if “something” happened between now and the elections…I’d like to see the quote.

It’s still August. This has been one long month.

LS @85: It took most of the barn rats to keep the horse upright so he wouldn’t cast himself, and trying to get a syringe with banamine(?) down his throat proved interesting as well. Stupid gelding… I was one of the kids trying to keep him on his feet, I did not envy the barn owner who was trying to medicate him!

(For those who might not know it, horses can’t regurgitate, so there’s only one way stuff that goes in can come out.)

jayt @ 97

Lots of what we’re seeing in the public arena is, in fact, batshit crazy. And that’s a professional opinion.

“Batshit crazy”. Damn.

Could you put that in layman’s terms?

Guano loco.

CTuttle @ 94

raven1 @ 88

Oh, it’s cool, I just thought you’d like to see the pictures.

*sigh* I guess you missed my shoju remark, that pictorial display sure brought some memories back…!!!

I did miss it. We’ve had a couple of lightining strikes that shit me down. Shouju, mahkle (sp) porto juice. . .makes me glad I quit!

Brisingamen @ 101

LS @85: It took most of the barn rats to keep the horse upright so he wouldn’t cast himself, and trying to get a syringe with banamine(?) down his throat proved interesting as well. Stupid gelding… I was one of the kids trying to keep him on his feet, I did not envy the barn owner who was trying to medicate him!

(For those who might not know it, horses can’t regurgitate, so there’s only one way stuff that goes in can come out.)

Been there. Nothing like 1200 lbs of flailing animal in pain. (yes, it is Banamine).

$6 million in federal grants for affordable housing? Oh, how nice. 2 more Republicans get houses in CT.

raven

Cool pictures of Korea.

LS @ 102

jayt @ 97

Lots of what we’re seeing in the public arena is, in fact, batshit crazy. And that’s a professional opinion.

“Batshit crazy”. Damn.

Could you put that in layman’s terms?

Guano loco.

Ohhhh….. *now* I get it – thanks.

nomolos @ 65

nomolos @ 55

The three little pigs went all by themselves…. and they were sober. I know, I was there.

That just made me really sad.

Its OK they came home again.

Wrapped in butcher’s paper.

QuakerGirl @ 100

LS @ 96

Hmmmm….Clinton said something interesting..about if “something” happened between now and the elections…I’d like to see the quote.

It’s still August. This has been one long month.

I agree and I would like to just skip the rest of it. Of course, September might not be any better but it could hardly get worse……….oh, wait……

QuakerGirl @ 78

raven1 @ 72

It’s always a little testy here. It’s a political blog and people have different agenda’s. Sometimes I tune out because the topic doesn’t interest me. Sometimes I go OT. Sometimes people want to stay on topic and they say so. It’s a living document.

Well stated. This is what’s so terrific about it. Reality is never tied in a neat bow.

Totally agree with your statement Raven1 and the earlier statements by others having to do with peoples nerves being frayed
(Republicans, Democrats, Independents) alike.

This group of radical liars has exhausted the nation. They are relentless.

I’m sure Ted was only “joking” when he leveled this Ad Hominum attack on these three Democrats (via C&L).

“Nugent: I was in Chicago last week I said—Hey Obama, you might want to suck on one of these you punk? Obama, he’s a piece of shit and I told him to suck on one of my machine guns…Let’s hear it for them. I was in NY and I said hey Hillary—you might want to ride one of these into the sunset you worthless bitch…Since I’m in California, I’m gonna find– she might wanna suck on my machine gun! Hey, Dianne Feinstein, ride one of these you worthless whore. Any questions? Freeeeedom!”

Dontcha’ get it? It’s a joke! Nugent didn’t mean it! He’s so funnee!

I’m surprised Ted’s not a regular on the 1/2 Comedy Hour.

Oh, wait, it was cancelled because it wasn’t funny.

Seriously, why is it that all these white, misogynistic, Republican males are enamored with death and destruction?

yellowdogD @ 108

nomolos @ 65

That just made me really sad.

Its OK they came home again.

Wrapped in butcher’s paper.

Stop!!!

Required reading for prospective protesters

Big Brother Democracy: The Security State As Infotainment
by Naomi Klein

GordonM at 105

In Fairfield County, that’s 1 Repub gets a fairly modest house.

“It’s a horrible prospect to ask yourself, ‘What if? What if?’ But if certain things happen between now and the election, particularly with respect to terrorism, that will automatically give the Republicans an advantage again, no matter how badly they have mishandled it, no matter how much more dangerous they have made the world,” Clinton told supporters in Concord.

“So I think I’m the best of the Democrats to deal with that,” she added.

Seriously, why is it that all these white, misogynistic, Republican males are enamored with death and destruction?

ummm, because they’re white, misogynistic Republican males?

yellowdogD @ 81

wigwam @ 6

OT: Here is WaPo’s list of who is supporting Ari Fleischer’s pro-war ad project, Freedom’s Watch. And here is Justin Raimondo’s commentary, which includes expanded biographies of those folks.

In case anyone missed this above. Highly recommended. I just e-mailed it to all my friends.

FWIW: For convenience, I just now posted a very short diary at Dkos that has these two links plus one more to a discussion of the backers and three to statistics and considerations that show the surge isn’t working.

LS @ 112

Stop!!!

Merci

raven1 @ 16

bobschacht @ 15

Speaking of political brains, EPU’d on the last thread was my post about Hawaii, where long-time gay-bashing Republican Mike Gabbard allasudden wants to become a Democrat (see link to thread downstairs for details and links). Maybe Shays should just declare that he wants to become a Democrat.

Bob in HI

Hey, last time I was there they had laws about posters for election so people got in big groups at intersections and waved like hell. The first time I saw it I though, damn, these folks are friendly. Do ya’ll still do that?

Sure. Check my Facebook pix.

Bob in HI

Oklahoma kiddo @ 115

“It’s a horrible prospect to ask yourself, ‘What if? What if?’ But if certain things happen between now and the election, particularly with respect to terrorism, that will automatically give the Republicans an advantage again, no matter how badly they have mishandled it, no matter how much more dangerous they have made the world,” Clinton told supporters in Concord.

“So I think I’m the best of the Democrats to deal with that,” she added.

Yeah, she says “certain things” rather than “something” or “terrorist acts”.
“Certain things” “with respect to terrorism”…

“So I think I’m the best of the Democrats to deal with that”. Why?

What is this actually about? Strikes me as a signal to the Bush Admin…don’t you dare…or something.

a message from:
GIVE ‘EM HELL HARRY

Dear ….,
Even after our bloodiest summer in Iraq, George Bush still refuses to reevaluate his flawed strategy that led to one of the worst foreign policy blunders in our nation’s history. A change of course in Iraq is long overdue, and I will fight for that change in the coming weeks.
In July, several Republicans began to speak out against the President’s failed strategy. But when it came time to vote, they continued to back George Bush.

I promise you, I will not let these Republicans hide. When the Senate returns to Washington, I will force them to take vote, after vote, after vote on bringing an end to the war in Iraq. Talk is cheap — their votes are what really count. Republicans will have to decide, do they stand with the President or with the American people?

This summer, Americans Against Escalation in Iraq, a coalition of organizations working to end the war, put pressure on these Republicans utilizing hundreds of organizers and thousands of volunteers. Their efforts will culminate with town hall meetings and Stand Up Vigils across the country on August 28th.

Take A Stand Town Halls and Stand Up Vigils are part of a nation-wide organizing drive to demand that members of Congress stand with the vast majority of Americans who want a safe and responsible redeployment of American Forces from Iraq.
Sign up to attend a Take A Stand Town Hall or Stand Up Vigil in your community by visiting:
http://giveemhellharry.com/takeastand

In September the White House will issue its report on the surge. They will try to use this moment to convince the American people that the escalation worked.
That’s why if you want to end the war, it is vital you participate in this event. We need to put as much pressure as possible on Republicans in Congress.

Thank you,
Harry Reid

A message from QuakerGirl: Dear Harry – I’ve been giving you hell for NOT giving them hell.

FYI, new post

New post upstairs.

Bob in HI

99
Kathleen says
I don’t think I will ever understand these radicals thinking having to do with Justice.

Water carriers. Joseph Goebbels. Lather, rinse and repeat.

NPR reported that the Orlando courthouse was so packed with news vans and reporters this morning that local traffic was redirected and a road was blocked to allow for the pre-trial hearing of – the diaper wearing astronaut.

(The diaper wearing was a colorful myth.)

This is important news.

The fact that any citizen can be surveilled and/or disappeared by Bushco, not so much.

jayt @ 116

Seriously, why is it that all these white, misogynistic, Republican males are enamored with death and destruction?

ummm, because they’re white, misogynistic Republican males?

Umm, oh, yeah.

“18 trips to Iraq later, has Chris Shays lost his mind?”

Geesh…

Chris Shays’ mind has had too much fun in the desert sun….

Definitely has blown a gasket here…

Pachacutec @ 92

People, I’m a friggin’ psychologist, and if I can’t call someone batshit crazy, then I quit.

No, I take that back. I won’t quit.

Here’s my prescription: lighten up. Lots of what we’re seeing in the public arena is, in fact, batshit crazy. And that’s a professional opinion.

Just wondering where the idiom “batshit crazy” came from. Is it the same as “bats in the belfry?” Does this have something to do with a malady afflicting guano miners? Or is histoplasmosis or nitrate poisoning involved? Btw, I’m just trying to wrap my brain around the fact that your career involves people on the edge. Is it a doctor sense of humor thing or a TGIF relief? I get it that laughter and humor is the best release and so is blogging amongst internet friends;)

Pachacutec @ 92

People, I’m a friggin’ psychologist, and if I can’t call someone batshit crazy, then I quit.

No, I take that back. I won’t quit.

Here’s my prescription: lighten up. Lots of what we’re seeing in the public arena is, in fact, batshit crazy. And that’s a professional opinion.

Anyone remember Alan Bates in the King of Hearts? (1966–I tried, but couldn’t find a YouTube clip for you). A WWI British footsoldier enters a small French town. Its citizens have left, and the village now is peopled by folks who escaped an asylum. The end of the film leaves one wondering just who is crazy–those who make war, or those identified as mentally ill.

We need words like crazy–batshit and otherwise–to describe aspects of our social world that don’t make sense. We need colorful words in this bleak time. And we need each other. Agreed, gentles all?

(thus spake another friggin psychologist. )

bobschacht @ 119

raven1 @ 16

Hey, last time I was there they had laws about posters for election so people got in big groups at intersections and waved like hell. The first time I saw it I though, damn, these folks are friendly. Do ya’ll still do that?

Sure. Check my Facebook pix.

Bob in HI

Cool, I was there when they dedicated the Duke Kahanomouka (sp) statue.

King of Hearts. Great movie!

Where does “mean” come into psychology? I can understand having a mean moment and knowing you did so you make amends and don’t repeat it. But people like Shays and Bush and Cheney are serial meanies.

QuakerGirl @ 131

Where does “mean” come into psychology? I can understand having a mean moment and knowing you did so you make amends and don’t repeat it. But people like Shays and Bush and Cheney are serial meanies.

Well, mean people suck.

I don’t think that explains it, though.

serial meanies = devoid of any shred of humanity

hackworth at 74 says-”Republicans never get drunk, never use illegal substances, never over-eat, never engage in pre-marital sex, always use the missionary position, always respect the law, always respect the privacy of others, and never miss a day of church.

Just ask one and he will tell you.”

yep, i was married to one……..all points correct, except for the dry drunk part, premarital sex part………and the privacy of others, and respecting the law-they are above it so don’t have to………..

and from baptist friends, oral sex isn’t sex in the baptist realm………so, that means no pre-marital sex…….un huh…….

Agreed The King of Hearts is great. Amoung many memerable scenes, a Frenchman playing a Scotish General and doing a hilarious Scotish accent.

I certainly have to say I totally agree with all of the extremely intelligent and thoughtful comments that have been posted here.

FDL is the greatest! This is the best blog ever, and we’re so lucky to have such a forum to discuss the pressing issues of the day.

I love FDL, and especially Jane and Christy!

dakine01 @ 14

From the AP via today’s Hartford Courant: Shays calls Dems investigations of politics a witch hunt

“I have here in my pocket a list of 200 known witches currently in Congress.” — ghost of McCarthy

Heh.

I guess that explains why their inquisition investigated Bill Clinton so thoroughly. Bill kept us all spell-bound.

But, times have changed and we’re moving on to greener pastures and bluer skies.

Twain @ 109

QuakerGirl @ 100

It’s still August. This has been one long month.

I agree and I would like to just skip the rest of it. Of course, September might not be any better but it could hardly get worse……….oh, wait……

Odds are it’s likely to get much worse for some people.

Soldiers in Iraq, homeowners who will become used-to-be-homeowners, many Republican politicians, some corporations who might suffer more ‘credit crisis blues’ and various others are going to be afflicted with Bushitis.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 115

“It’s a horrible prospect to ask yourself, ‘What if? What if?’ But if certain things happen between now and the election, particularly with respect to terrorism, that will automatically give the Republicans an advantage again, no matter how badly they have mishandled it, no matter how much more dangerous they have made the world,” Clinton told supporters in Concord.

“So I think I’m the best of the Democrats to deal with that,” she added.

Deal with what? I thought she didn’t deal in hypotheticals and this isn’t even a complete hypothetical, it’s an imaginary what-if hypothetical.