Last night, Kevin Drum wrote about the irony of claiming Democrats need a "big idea" to reenergize their long-term electoral prospects:
Movement conservatism, despite its frequent and tiresome pretensions, has never really produced any big ideas. What it's produced is an intellectual superstructure designed to provide fresh justification for all its old ideas. Supply side economics was a new excuse for cutting taxes. Constitutional originalism was an excuse for cutting down the regulatory state. Neoconservatism was an excuse for old fashioned hawkery. Evangelical Christians provided ammunition for cultural traditionalism.
This is exactly right. The core of modern Republican political marketing isn't "ideas," it's how to hide their brazen aims behind a new set of window dressing. All the proof you need is sitting in the Oval Office right now -- a man who rose to his party's nomination not because of any inspiring philosophy or policy accomplishments, but because his last name was the same as his father.
In fact, I was just writing this morning at Needlenose that the current Frankenstein-like efforts to give life to a Fred Thompson candidacy are a logical outgrowth of the GOP's intellectual barrenness... and, in fact, something I predicted three years ago during the 2004 Democratic convention:
It's hard to develop people who are good at selling your party's message when . . . your party has tacitly admitted that its message won't sell.
That's why I'll predict now that the Republican options for the White House in 2008 are (1) run some loyal governor or congresscritter who loses badly, (2) drag Jeb out of Florida to run (and lose badly), (3) move heaven and earth to amend the Constitution for Schwarzenegger's sake, or (4) feverishly try to recruit some TV or movie personality who isn't in politics now.
Keep your eyes open for option number 4 as the next couple of years go by.
A side note worth mentioning here is that the Republicans are so acutely aware of this that they've developed an entire worldview based on undermining the value of ideas and trying to understand policy issues. Instead, a candidate's "gut feelings" and regular-guyness are seen as the most important qualifications for leadership.
This is a point I tried to make when I was pontificating on the core difference between the two parties last October:
The Republicans certainly know where the strength of their brand is, which is why they try to denigrate the very concepts of reality and pragmatism at every turn. The "Republican war on science" isn't an accident; it's of a piece with debasing the concept of a fair press via Fox News (adopting slogans such as "fair and balanced" and "no-spin zone" so as to corrupt them), ridiculing intelligent and articulate Democratic politicians as morally dubious girlie-men, and ignoring the foreign-policy arts of intelligence and diplomacy in favor of blustering threats and military force. In each case, moral and ideological certainty is portrayed as the highest ideal, and the willingness (or -- gasp! -- desire) to adapt to a changing reality is depicted as a sinful, deadly weakness.
The antidote, I wrote, is to make the common-sense desire to do the right thing policy-wise into a sign of morality and strength:
If you think of Jimmy Stewart in Mr. Smith Goes to Washington, you've got exactly the kind of identity that Democrats should be projecting -- not ideologues wanting to revolutionize the world with grandiose schemes, but honest, morally centered men and women who want to do the right thing and are smart and determined enough to get it done.
After all, the "big idea" that many Democrats look back at nostalgically -- the New Deal -- came about not because people thought it would be fun to try a major expansion of government's role in American life, but because the Great Depression had created such a desperate situation that radical steps were required. We don't want things to get bad enough that something like that is needed again.
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rats ! hi guys !
the zed that is only an idea (sigh)
Geez. We’re getting pretty hard up for comments!
Hey Swopa!
Madness! Madness! Madness!
Number 9, number 9….
Millineryman @ 10
Too late.
Well said, Swopa. Dead on. Party of ideas? They don’t even have an idea how to party.
I guess you all have seen this:
http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/el....._to_retire
How about the idea that Dems play by the rules and obey the law?
I know. Not a big idea, but maybe the only idea that really matters.
The most difficult issue seems to be that the calcified democratic party doesn’t seem interested in reframing things. It’s the very new and up and coming politicos that seem much more willing to reframe things.
“Radical steps”? I’m becomming aroused.
peanutbutter @ 14
;0)
Republican greed has cut the guts out of our economy…If/when the first US bomb lands on Iranian soil and oil prices triple, our hollow economy will implode.
Truth and holding those responsible for creating and dessiminating false WMD intelligence accountable would be the best strategy for both parties.
The NYTimes blog, The Lede, has a question about why it is that the majority of Americans actually think that surveillance is a good thing. Fits right in with your post, Swopa. Me - I think it’s time to start discussing secession or emigration. I don’t see how the voters, without the resources and dirty tricks of the corporations and selected (regardless of what the voting machines say) government officials. It’s not a fair fight anymore, and government has split away from the people it governs without the people’s consent.
spurious @ 11
Indeed, timing is everything.
peanutbutter @ 14
This is true. They still think in terms of “this is a good issue for us” versus “let’s avoid a fight on this issue.”
Oklahoma kiddo @ 15
Yikes. I’ll edit the post, then.
“(4) feverishly try to recruit some TV or movie personality who isn’t in politics now.”
If Fred Thompson had kicked it because of non-Hodgkins, that means we would have been stuck with Ron Silver….
Big yocks, that, though. :)
mc @ 13
I don’t think you’ll find anyone here who has the slightest difficulty with that idea.
However, if you’re here to try and sell the idea that Dems and Reps are equally corrupt, I sure hope you’ve got a boatload of evidence, cuz otherwise that dog ain’t never gonna hunt.
The Democrats should not use Ari Fleisher and the Bush administrations strategy
We know for a fact that there are weapons there.
Ari Fleischer January 9, 2003
Well, there is no question that we have evidence and information that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical particularly . . . all this will be made clear in the course of the operation, for whatever duration it takes.
Ari Fleisher March 21, 2003
I think you have always heard, and you continue to hear from officials, a measure of high confidence that, indeed, the weapons of mass destruction will be found.
Ari Fleischer April 10, 2003
burnspbesq @ 24
‘Scuse me? I’m not that cynical.
but honest, morally centered men and women who want to do the right thing and are smart and determined enough to get it done
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Too bad the (D) Congressional leadership does not have any of those.
So far in my 40 years, the only major accomplishments I have seen for the Conservative GOP movement are; Record Deficits, corruption, Cronyism, debauchery and overall dereliction.
My only saving grace is the fact that I watched Bill Clinton turn around our finances brilliantly fast.
Great Post
Dems often bash themselves for not having the same kind of intellectual bullshit justification for their policies that the goopers get out of the American Enterprise Institute..they are a waste of time with most- even most goopers- who don’t want an intellectual justification- they just want a tax cut, a war, and the reversal of Roe/Wade.
As you so properly point out- the rationale comes AFTER and doesn’t precede the gut level policy.
I hate to burst your bubble, but I’m thinking if this mortgage thing gets worse a “New Deal 2000″ will be needed.
Look — our military is at the breaking point, our infrastructure is literally crumbling, and the spectre of pandemic flu lurks in the shadows.
Buckle up, folks, it’s going to be one hell of a ride. I get the feeling that someone, somewhere has invoked the old Chinese curse on the USA: “May you live in interesting times.”
Brisingamen @ 30
I was thinking the same thing. We’re headed for a hard fall regardless of what we do in the next five years, I think.
In this vein of thought, I think Edwards is the only one who would have hte chops to put toghter a New Deal 2008 — the rest I think will dither about until we’re further in the toilet, and it will depend on who runs in 2012.
IOW, I think it’s pretty crucial on a number of fronts, not just the Iraq one, whom we elect. We need someone who will not just disengage us from Iraq, but also thoroughly, utterly, completely put down Bush’s legacy in the government. If we don’t do that, then all of this destruction he’s done will simply be used by all the presidents further down the road, regardless of party.
OK, I’m rambling again. I tend to do that when waiting for things to compile :-P
MSNBC seems to have become the “White Chicks Gone Bad” channel—every day there are hours of coverage of one or more blondes who are showin their tits or gettin drunk- or checkin in or out of rehab for some problem or another- WHO THE FUCK CARES!!!
Saul Alinsky said the most potent weapon one has against an opponent is ridicule, and I think the public is at that point where they’d be receptive to ridiculing these bozos.
Always hard to gauge the effects of an ad, but I’d bet that a 30-second ad with Rumsfeld as Moe, Cheney as Curley and Bush as Larry planning the invasion of Iraq would drive the point home.
In fact, if the smarter Dem candidates would spend less time bashing each other and more time bashing the Bushies–with satire–we see them break out a bit.
The really smart Dem candidate ought to be talking to the people who do Too Stupid to be President about some low-cost, high-impact ads.
One problem for dems is that repubs have convinced the country that being morally centered is wearing religion on one’s sleeve.
We need to get out of this fucking costly war, reprogram funds to our domestic tranquility and
help the poor…
Most americans think that “morality” is a word to describe what you do with your dick…I’m afraid that it’s become a perfectly useless term.
Just an observation about my generation and neighborhood on a micro level:
We don’t want to pay for things we need. We’re more than willing to pay for things we want. In home ownership, people will pay top dollar for granite countertops but bellow long and loud about a new roof. Pay for private school (or get grandpa to pay for it) and scream about braces or speech therapy. One young lady didn’t want to pay taxes (who does) because she “never drives on the highways or needs the fire department”. She meant it.
OTOH, the freeways and railways and bridges were a great gift and all new and a wonderful “gimme”, but to maintain something we already had is a drag. No Sugar Daddy factor.
Sorry, just popping off randomly in response to Bringsamen’s comment…
montag @ 33
It’s already being done. Ever see “Lil’ Bush” on Comedy Central?
rwcole @ 29
Yep. It’s another aspect of the undermining of rational thinking about government. The conservatives didn’t like the fact that actual academics who looked at the facts didn’t produce answers they liked, so they created their own pseudo-academic institutions where the only requirement to be a “scholar” was that your arguments produced the preferred answers.
As with conservative undermining of government and media, it’s a win-win. Either you accept that they are legitimate counterparts to real researchers, giving them a place within rational policy discussion, or you reject them as propagandists, lowering confidence in policy analysis in general.
My candidate is Edwards and Biden is sounding
fine, but Hilary is too into the war and
I’m afraid we’ve got Clinton fatigue…
I want my country back, the fucking “me
generation” is pissing me off
swopa, I love your posts and this one is no exception however I do have to take issue with one of your quotes;
no
it as an excuse to make believe they are cutting taxes when they are actually raising taxes for the middle and lower class and giving the revenue to the wealthy
cutting taxes?
that would be a no
rwcole @ 36
Agreed. And if you get caught putting it where it don’t belong, you (because you are morally centered) get a free pass from God because you went to church. No restitution required.
Stealing is ok as long as you put some in the basket.
Killing is ok as long as it’s done overseas.
Of course not. But that is where we are headed with the Republican aristocracy firmly - maybe not so much these days, one hopes - in place.
ONLY the wealthy will be able to send their kids to college, afford health care, afford to retire, afford to have a life, etc.
The middle class is disappearing and if there isn’t another New Deal, we’ll be back in the same system of government that the Founders fought against.
So much for this experiment in democracy.
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 38
Nope, no TV. But, my point is that the candidates ought to be doing it–pinning the worst of the worst on their real opponents, and selling such ads in smart places.
And the sooner they start re-branding all Republican politicians as stumblebums and clods and dickweeds, the easier time they’ll have of it come Nov., 2008. :)
Great post Swopa.
The rules for Dems.
1) Be honest.
2) Appeal with emotions not facts.
3) Celebrate our causes, not our candidates.
4) Keep it simple.
5) Put a face on it.
rwcole @ 32
Someone controlling the program at MSNBC cares about such things
realworld @ 45
As long as the expression of emotions is genuine.
Jonathan @ 34
Except they haven’t, they’ve just convinced our media and political consultants. The country doesn’t learn about morality from politicians. It’s just like their proclamation that the country is conservative — all they did was demonize the word liberal, they didn’t actually change support for liberal policies.
Now if we can just get our politicians to understand that the reason GOPers wear their religion on their sleeve is to appeal to their base (which is never going to vote Democratic), not to appeal to “real people”…
mc @ 26
Almost as soon as I hit “submit comment,” it occurred to me that I might have misunderstood you. Clearly I did. Please accept my apology.
Bay State Librul @ 40
The ‘08 election is much bigger than any candidate, or the Iraq war or any position on social policy. With the accelerating grab for dictatorial powers by the Republicans, the ‘08 election is in the class of the 1860 and 1932 elections. All of the marbles are on the line and it’s a binary choice. Winning and defeating the Republican party is everything..it may be our last chance.
Repugs are known for the slop they sell. And as it is their belief that their core audience are pigs being led to the slaughter, what else would they be selling?
Marketing 101: Sell the sizzle, not the steak.
An intellectual desert is, in the words of the Repugs: “Our Prime Real Estate! Why, Ahm gonna buy 40 acres mahself.”
realworld @ 45
Can I add a sixth:
Impeach Bush for robbing this country of
democracy’s “separation of powers”
“Use emotion”
Yes- but that needs a little explanation. It doesn’t mean “Be emotional when speaking about what you are going to do”
It means “consider the emotional needs of voters both when deciding policy and crafting your message”
So, for example, it means to consider that voters are afraid of terrorists when crafting policy about the middle east—It does NOT mean to shout and yell when communicating your policy (perhaps you would want to do that too- but that’s a different issue.)
Jonathan @ 47
Yes, No Bob Murray crocodile tears…!!!
kathleen @ 46
Dan Abrams? Doesn’t he run MSNBC?
realworld @ 45
Agreed with all of that. They’ve got the steak; they need the sizzle.
Bay State Librul @ 52
Kinda hard to justify that one when Congress pretty much has given it away for the last seven years….
Along the lines of keeping it simple, the NIA that came out today said things are better because while violence is still high it’s down from where it was.
We of course it’s down, violence is always down in the the heat of Iraqi summer! Duh.
Or as TexB remarked: Oh, so the surge brought on summer?
Redshift at 48
Thanks, as always, for the correction (i.e., re the MSM).
CTuttle @ 54
Have you seen video they have of Teddy Roosevelt’s speeches? Today, they’d label him earnest and angry, like they do Edwards.
spurious @ 11
turn off your mind, relax, and float donwstream.
kathleen @ 46
Not exactly. Someone controlling the programming at MSNBC has research that tells him/her that viewers care about such things. Commercial television is about selling advertising. Advertisers pay for eyeballs. Ergo, television shows what ratings and research indicate will draw eyeballs. In this regard, market economies are like democracies — we get what the largest number of people want. Quality? Tangentially relevant at best.
realworld @ 58
Dangit! There goes my drink!
Goopers notice that many americans are frightened and angry (but I repeat myself) about people in super markets who look different and talk in a language that they don’t understand- so they put together the great “WALL” program. They don’t care if it will ever be built- or whether it will work- or anything else- they only care about appealing to fears for votes..
That’s appealing to emotions.
punaise @ 61
It is not scheming. It is not screaming….
kathleen @ 46
Did you see the Barnicle/Fleischer interview on Hardball yesterday? I though Barnicle did a very good job. He knocked down the repub talking points on Iraq pretty effectively. All that’s getting play is Ari not knowing the soldier’s name, but the whole interview was good.
rwcole @ 64
You know, I thought for a moment this was going to be a segue into those now-ubiquitous teevees in the grocery store which still badly startle me when they start talking in my ear. I mean THAT makes me frightened and angry.
But my mistake, you were talking about something else… :-)
Barnicle’s not bad- just boring–really boring.
You know Uncle Sam is still molesting the kids and goopers are letting him get away with it.
When abused kids blow the whistle, they are most angry with the grownups who looked the other way and who still deny that anything bad happened.
Friggin’ creeps. Protect the country by enforcing the laws. The whole world knows what Bush did last summer.
punaise @ 61
I’m so glad punaise is back from beyond. Did ya bring us back a Lava Lamp?
Power Players
http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iow.....dkohr.html
burnspbesq @ 49
No worries. No apology needed.
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 60
I’ve read some of his speeches, never seen any video of them…!!!
Oliver Willis presents the correct basic rhetorical strucuure of arguments about the surge, Iraq, and most bad things this administration has produced. I guess you need to polite it up a bit, and amplify with examples, but I think Willis captures the basics perfectly.
Freedom’s Watch: Resist The Trap
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“The surge isn’t working to end the war or make America any safer. The president is an idiot.”
http://www.oliverwillis.com/20.....atch-.html
Good post.
The republicans are cyborgs trying to blend in with we biotic folks. Yes, Bladerunner is film being made flesh. I wonder who is more gullible, those who believe the republican party line or those who hear what Cheney, Rummy, Wolfie, Rovey, etc say and fail to believe they mean exactly what they say. Some people are blinded by the belief that these guys are working for the good of the country. 51% Dick said that you only need 51% to dictate policy. His policies sure show that.
dead last @ 75
More like cylons, I’d say ;-) Or even the good ol’ classic: PODPEOPLE!
Jonathan @ 47
1) Be honest. Nothing else counts otherwise.
Alfred (thespook) kicked into overdrive late last night..
peanutbutter @ 63
Blame Betsy.
peanutbutter @ 76
Now, think of what a creative bunch could do to create a political ad with a Kevin McCarthy lookalike and sixty seconds of video…. :)
realworld @ 79
You’re the one with the timing! :-)
OT..another rat jumps ship
Renzi Says He Will Not Seek Re-Election
www.rollcall.com/issues/1_1/breakingnews/19759-
rwcole @ 68
He’s doing a job. This man does not give a damn about being famous. Find him boring? He’ll find a way to pay his kids’ tuition some other way. He is a journalist that has adapted to 24/7 television and radio.
Jonathan @ 59
Sure. I have a natural tendency toward being an optimist, but I think it is really important to recognize (as our politicians too often have not) the difference between conservative marketing and BS and their actual influence.
Another good one is the idea that the decline in party identification and growth in independents somehow means that those people have “centrist” views on the issues, halfway between the two parties. In fact, polling shows they overwhelmingly favor liberal positions.
Redshift @ 84
Ironically enough on Facebook I left the politics as “Other” because the one I *wanted*, Progressive, was not there. And I increasingly feel that “Liberal” isn’t accurate for me these days.
Ari Fleisher looks like a thug in this piece at Hardball. He should be in jail for being a traitor not on the News spreading more lies. Enough!
Why in the hell would anyone believe anything this liar says. Why?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/
wesgpc @ 74
The first part of what Willis says is true, and should be the core of our framing for September.
The second part of what Willis says is true, but counter-productive.
Put yourself in the shoes of a person who voted for Bush in 2004. It seems to me that Bush voters now fall into three main categories: those who will never be convinced that that vote was a mistake, those who have already concluded that that vote was a mistake, and those still on the fence about it. The first group, we have no way of reaching. The second group, they’re already on board.
The third group is the target, and here’s the problem. When we say “Bush is an idiot,” they hear, “Bush is an idiot, and you’re an idiot for having voted for him.” That may be true, but it’s also a gratuitous insult that can keep the rest of the message from getting through.
It’s never a good idea to piss off people who have something that you want (in this case, their votes).
The problem for the Democrats is that there is not a charismatic spokesperson delivering a focused message. Too many people speak too many messages.
I read hear a lot about how bush is an egotistical frat boy moron and cheney is a dangerous criminal.
What if these guys have exactly what they want in Iraq. A big U.S. military presence. No real Iraqi government. No apparently good way out.
Bush and Cheney appear not the least bit disturbed (and I mean emotionally) about how things have turned out in Iraq.
Do those of us at FDL misread these guys in terms of their competence?
burnspbesq @ 62
Actually, it is worse than that. Advertisers want the specific “eyeballs” where it is easiest to part them from their money.
Hence, the media works to titillate their prime target audience of pimply, testosterone-driven 16 year old eyeballs away from the raunchy Internet Toobz, to their likewise raunchy Boob Tubes.
Mad Dogs @ 70
sorry, just a modest spare tire from mother-in-law’s (belle-mere)’s French cuisine.
AP - The Iraqi government will become more precarious over the next six to 12 months and its security forces have not improved enough to operate without outside help, U.S. spy agencies conclude in a new assessment of the country’s political and military fortunes.
Jonathan @ 89
Umm, if you’re a six-insulin shot a day diabetic, and you want to eat nothing but candy and ice cream, you’re getting exactly what you want, but that doesn’t make you smart for doing so….
I’m starting to wonder if the “Three Stooges” would do better at leading the Democrats.
punaise @ 91
Jeebus! Now how is she going to get around?
punaise @ 91
*drool* I’m sooo jealous…!!! :P
Jonathan @ 89
Cheney is a competent criminal sociopath. Bush is a competent puppet. The mistake we make is thinking that either of them actually care about what happens in Iraq.
Montag @ 93
By competence I mean ability to achieve one’s objectives, however fucked up they may be.
Jonathan @ 98
Bush doesn’t achieve objectives. Things have always been handed to him. He is just a useful idiot.
Jonathan @ 98
Well, I suppose this is the old conundrum–can you be smart and insane at the same time? Yes, certainly. What’s likely to be the result? Well-execu