
The six Utah coal miners still remain trapped after the Crandall Canyon mine collapse 22 days ago. And the three men who died trying to rescue the six miners are just being laid to rest. But owner Robert Murray was ready to move on—and make money.
After disappearing from the public for a few days last week, Murray was back, not to offer reassurances to the families of the trapped miners or expressions of regret for the length of time their loved ones have been buried, not to give condolences to the families of the deceased rescue workers or to proffer other basic civilities, but to assert that it’s time to start mining other sections of the mine. After all, what’s a few lost miners when there’s more profit to be made?
Even officials at the federal Mine Safety and Health Administration (MSHA) could not contain their outrage over Murray’s comments.
“We were shocked that the subject was even brought up,” a spokesman for the agency said late Tuesday. “MSHA remains 100 percent focused on the rescue effort.”
And this response to Murray’s remarks from Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman, as noted by Square State:
“That’s totally unacceptable. There will not be business as usual until there is closure.”
Following the outcry from federal officials, state lawmakers and family members, Murray now says the mine never will reopen.
But greed at the expense of all else, including workers’ safety and even lives, has been a hallmark of Murray’s career (see here and here). (And when he does spend money, he tends to fund the worst of the worst Republican campaigns.) As safety advocate Ellen Smith noted, at Murray’s Powhatan No. 6 mine in Ohio, Murray was
in big arguments with the Mine Safety and Health Administration officials over problems they had there, over citations he got, over the fact that they wanted to close down a longwall section to make the mine safer. And we have meeting notes where he was screaming, “You’re costing me $15,000 an hour! I’m losing tens of millions of dollars!”
Murray’s egregious behavior makes him an easy target. But he’s the open sore on an internally rotting body whose smell is apparent, but whose source is less so.
The corpse of Bush America.
Just this week, we’ve seen a dirty laundry list of greed at work:
- Bush happily stomps on the health of America’s children, unilaterally declaring restrictions on the State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) because he sees momentum building in Congress to expand the hugely successful program. (Scarecrow did a great job on the issue here.) Why would Bush want to expand a program that enabled 2 million more low-income children to have health insurance between 1998 and 2005, when he could reassure his big insurance backers he would never endanger their massive profits?
- Two firefighters die battling a blaze at the abandoned Deutsche Bank building in New York City over the weekend, a blaze labor and community activists say didn’t have to happen. According to Newsday, the Lower Manhattan Development Corp., which owns the building, employed subcontractor John Galt Corp. to dismantle the building, a move community activists opposed because of John Galt’s numerous city and federal violations. A crucial pipe had been taken apart before the fire, leaving the firefighters without water.
“Firefighters were sent into a death trap,” said Steve Cassidy, president of the Uniformed Firefighters Association.
- The AFL-CIO community affiliate Working America awarded the grand prize in its My Bad Boss Contest to Pete, whose employer, an Illinois tyrant, threw away the paperwork and forms Pete filed, leaving him without paid leave or disability benefits for those days. Pete, the father of three small children, has a rare form of cancer and needed paid leave to help pay his family’s bills. Pete received the most votes from visitors to the contest, beating out several runners-up, including a waitress whose boss hired her stalker and another worker whose boss didn’t tell him his pregnant wife had called, bleeding and needing to go to the hospital—because he wanted him to keep working.
Greed, bleeding through the sick body with the unhaloed smirk of “Greed is good,”
Gordon Gekko hovering above. And how appropriate that subcontractor John Galt bears the same name as the Ayn Rand anti-hero in Atlas Shrugged, who remains in the background until the novel ends, when he makes his appearance and the system collapses. Leaving bumper stickers asking to this day, Who is John Galt?—and Rand’s followers to declare Galt “the perfect man.” According to the New York Committee for Occupational Safety and Health ( NYCOSH), John Galt (the company) planned to ignore major aspects of the Ground Zero cleanup plan approved by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). Dave Newman, director of NYCOSH’s World Trade Center Project, says that rather than meet the challenges, Galt’s employer, the Lower Manhattan Development Corp.,acts as if they don’t exist, hiring firms without experience, altering plans without official approval, and showing contempt for the community of residents and workers who will be at risk if something goes wrong.”
Something is deeply wrong with America today, asserts AFL-CIO President John Sweeney. Writing on Huffington Post, Sweeney says:
Working men and women have lost their value to the people who have been running this country for too long. Ruthless CEOs wring working people dry, and the neocon ideologues in the White House help them.
Our wages are stagnant, our benefits are disappearing, the middle class is shrinking and, for the first time, there’s a good chance our children will not be better off than our generation. We’re the most productive workers in the world, but we have to work more hours, more jobs and send more family members into the workforce just to keep up.
The heroes who rushed to Ground Zero to save lives and who dug and sweated and struggled for months after Sept. 11, 2001, are suffering today from neglect and indifference. Neglect and indifference left thousands stranded on rooftops and in a dark convention center after Hurricane Katrina. Neglect, and indifference meant deplorable conditions for veterans recovering at Walter Reed.
As on Firedoglake, our commentors at the AFL-CIO Now blog often hit home with their remarks. Writes Catbear955 in response to the possibility the Utah miners never will be found:
Corporate greed is corporate greed—the human cost doesn’t matter. The families pay the price. God bless the miners and their families; Lord have mercy on those murderers who sent the miners into harm’s way for a dollar.
Mercy from the Lord and a commitment from us lesser beings to heal the wretched body Bush and his followers have bequeathed us.
Related posts:
- FDL Book Salon Welcomes Jonathan Tasini, “The Audacity of Greed: Free Markets, Corporate Thieves and the Looting of America”
- Mopping Up Corporate Greed
- Blue America Launches New TV Initiative in Arkansas — And We Need You
- Mourning and Organizing in the Wake of Tiller’s Murder
- Health Care: Pete King is Out of Touch with Long Island, New York, and America





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greedy zed?
zed?
You know, mines of all things should be
1) 100% completely and utterly Union’d
2) owned by the local people living there, who get to benefit from the sales and profits of the mine
GAHHHHHHH!
Hola!
singles?
I try to think positive thoughts about most all people but the folks in BushLand like Murray, the Galt Corp., the “winners” of the Bad Boss contest, et al make it extremely difficult for me to do this.
I truly don’t wish harm on others as it tends to reverb back on me. I may have to make some exceptions however.
Always remember this: the free market will kill you for a nickel.
The Folks of Ohio have had their own encounters with Bob Murray…Bob gets around filling his pockets with gold.
http://www.dysartwoods.org/walk99pr062399.
http://www.wvoter-owned.org/news/2007/08_08.html
“Murray also fought for several years with regulators and citizens over his proposal to mine underneath the Dysart Woods, a tract of old-growth forest in southeastern Ohio.”
Murray is so full of bilge. His gaseous commentaries continue to be glorified and unchallenged by the MSM. From “seismic activity” to he didn’t change the parameters of the mining restrictions at Crandall, I want to stick my hand through the TV and slap his lying lips.
His fakey remorse for the dead rescuers is being spread like too much mayo on the shit on rye.
He loves having an audience, though.
here’s something these maggots refuse to accept;
keeping your mines safe MAKES YOU MONEY MORON
perris @ 10
Notice Sen. Hatch has been conspicuous by his absence from Murray lately.
Hello Tula!
This Robert Murray guy is really a piece of work. Yesterday he said the mining mountain was alive and demonic, and from the manner in which he put it, it seemed he wanted to run for cover from it as far as possible. But that’s not what he said the day before.
Elliott @ 4
What happened to your blue Facebook thingy?
Evil squirrels.
Hi Tula:
In all of the scandals, this FAA welfare to welfare appointment got missed. But I think you will appreciate it. I don’t know if John Carr is on your radar, but his blog will make your hair stand on end – and you wonder just how badly you really, REALLY
need to fly versus taking some other mode of transportation.
Your Ayn Rand GOP Libertarian Free Marketeering at work . . .
I guess everyone here knows this but:
Aug. 22 (Bloomberg) — The New York Republican Party fired political consultant Roger Stone amid allegations that he made a threatening, profanity-laced telephone call to Democratic Governor Eliot Spitzer’s father.
dakine01 @ 6
I don’t wish Murray harm, I just wish him to suffer appropriate consequences for his actions. People are dead because he put personal gain above reasonable safety measures. He should not be allowed to profit from his crimes. There are many punishments that seem like poetic justice, but since he clearly values money above all else, depriving him of it would probably hit just as hard.
And needless to say, the community must be protected from someone who recklessly endangers it; he should not be allowed to own or operate mines, either.
Biodun @ 12
*snort* A demon of his own making, although of course a good xian isn’t supposed to do that sort of thing…
Did anyone watch Dan Abrams after Keith last night? In his intro, he claimed he was going to have “tough questions” for Murray, but we still couldn’t bear to watch that evil man to find out if Abrams actually followed through.
Letting people die is bad for business?
Gee, if they’d have told him that, he would have been more careful.
Individuals need to be held accountable. Big Pharma execs push dangerous drugs, mine owners kill miners for a small increase in profits, Big Agra..on and on. If they kill enough people, the corp is fined..BFD. Follow the paper trails and indict the individuals. The Salt lake Tribune has already found enough “paper” to put Murray and Fed mine officials in prison for the rest of their lives.
And, John Galt dropped from the Deutsche Bank project. They have 5 days to pack up their stuff…FDNY is doing their own investigation.
Greed is Good: it’s all Mine, Mine, Mine…
The NYT has a great article on just whois the John Galt company anyway….
Steve-AR @ 22
My understanding is that any fines (that are indeed collected …) are just considered to be part of the “cost of doing business” and are essentially budgeted for in advance.
A vote of “zero confidence” in BushCo’s Government
Great Votevets television ad to run in Maine against Susan Collins. Pokes Ari Fleischer’s AIP*C TV ad in the eye, claiming Collins more interested supporting Bush in Iraq than helping the country. Good going!
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/23/133636/207
ccmask @ 25
I cannot possibly take a company named “John Galt” seriously…I’m just agog…
fdl reader @ 26
Exactly..
punaise @ 24
Yep, Bob Murray is the Coal-O-Rectal Kid….
Steve-AR @ 30
This is why we have to go through and find the people accountable and jail them. I’d say fewer people would do these things if they knew they’d be held accountable…
The United States Senate Appropriations Subcommittee on Labor, Health and Human Services, and Education, and Related Agencies will meet in open session at 10:30 a.m. on Wednesday, September 5, 2007 in Room SD- 124, Dirksen Senate Office Building.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/08…..61568.html
Who is the chair of that sub-committee?
peanutbutter @ 29
I’ll bet their mission statement is a doozy….
Back to the subject at hand, Tula:
There is a powerful “blame the victim” agenda across all types of industry and work. The military gives out Chapter 5-13’s to avoid providing critical mental healthcare to returning Iraq and Afghanistan soldiers and marines (and that also includes a discharge other than honorable, the loss of VA healthcare benefits, and the obligation of the dischargee to repay bonuses and the like – essentially cruelly punishing the one with the illness with financial and health denials, not to mention an in-your-face insult via the type of discharge given (general versus honorable).
Whistle-blowers are punished via defamation and blacklisting and thus, there are many who are defamed out of the workforce (personal bias – I am one in this group).
MEdicare, under the guise of forcefully advocating for patient safety, is set to deny reimbursement to providers who provide healthcare services for patients who incur what MEDICARE decides is a preventable medical error – except that those patients will be set up to be blamed for the errors, and will likely be charged for the costs incurred to treat their prolonged suffering and possibly pay for their own preventable deaths.
It goes on and on.
Richmond @ 28
Thom Hartmann had a caller on last hour who was simply apoplectic that the Fleischer ad contained shots of the towers falling: “9/11 has NOTHING to do with Iraq!”
Indeed.
ccmask @ 25
This is a great article.
As far as the Utah miners go, has there been further investigation in light of the Salt Lake Tribune story people linked to yesterday? Such as of Stickler as MSHA, or of the company (Agapito?) that signed off on the revised plans? It’s always fascinating to see the cause and effect between greed and death so starkly revealed.
OT..New VoteVets add..
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/8/23/133636/207
peanutbutter @ 32
It’s more kabuki! There is no accountability. Except for the ‘little people.’
Does anyone else think the use of the video of the planes hitting the WTC ought to be banned from prime time TV?
Redshift @ 20
I saw that. Yep. Abrams had tough questions for him for sure. The transcripts may be up at MSNBC. I’ll check.
punaise @ 24
punaise is back! Or are you still across the pond?
N=1 @ 35
And, I’m betting the victim is prevented from suing, yes?
Brisingamen @ 40
I’d go along with that, but it’s not likely. The powerful are well served by those images.
MayDaze @ 44
Backlash from perceived misuse of the same images could be very strong though. I’d say use of those images, regardless, is a double edged sword that needs to be used very carefully.
Unlike here.
brendan @ 37
Yes – but it’s in the blogosphere. Read The Pump Handle for all of this and much more.
Brisingamen @ 40
I think it should have a disclaimer caption anytime it is shown that states: “this tragedy was allowed to happen under George Bush.”
fdl reader @ 43
I don’t know about suing, but the appeals process is convoluted and tortuous at best. As for military discharges – I don’t know what the process is for getting a general discharge overturned and restored to an honorable discharge – vets, can you point me to resources for this?
Excellent question – thanks for asking it!
Of course, if you can’t screw things up one way, try another.Rule to expand mountaintop coal mining From the NY Times
Brisingamen @ 40
No..and that’s why I support and carry an ACLU membership card.
Biodun @ 42
yep, got back hier.
OT..Some thoughts from Josh Marshall
Militarism and proto-fascist thinking isn’t just something to be studied about the 1920s and 1930s. You can see it today as a growing part of our political discourse, even as the support for it in absolute terms diminishes. It is all of a piece. You cannot separate the bogus war for democracy abroad from the war against democracy and the rule of law at home.
–Josh Marshall
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/024840.php
N=1 @ 48
There is a body known as the Discharge Review Board to which one can appeal a discharge decision. Don’t think many people have had much luck with it, though.
The reason I asked about the use of the footage was that for many months after 9/11, I was very depressed. When I finally discussed this with my doctor, he asked how long I’d watched the coverage that day.
When I told him several hours, he nodded and said that he’d had so many patients reporting similar feelings, and the common denominator seemed to be watching that footage over and over again.
N=1 @ 48
You are welcome!
I was (also more) wondering about the “preventable medical errors” … it just sounds like another of those bush-engineered dead ends. No one can be held responsible. And then the safety net is dismantled too.
As someone noted above..
John Galt Co.?? Man, there’s a company to run screaming from, if you’re a would-be employee. Of course, most people these days wouldn’t know Ayn Rand if she came up and bit them in the ass.
I’ve asked this question a couple of times and I’m going to do it again: Does anyone here know of any instance where death or injury of workers (mine related or other)was directly connected with the owner of the company or senior managers/officers of a company AND that those people were held personally responsible, criminally charged and convicted?
Brisingamen @ 54
You and your doctor are correct. It was a very very traumatic day with lasting effects on (I believe) many people. That’s certainly true for me. It may even be that we as a society are more susceptible to the terror propaganda we have experienced since then because of the trauma of those images.
I found the Katrina horror even more traumatizing, perhaps because there was no effective response or clean up.
And let us not forget the entire Iraqi population is even more traumatized by endless war.
OT:
Here is a link to an AP article on Edwards: Link
Here is a link to an AP article on Romney: Link
Notice the GOP slam at the end of the Edwards article? Notice there are no Democratic responses in the Romney article?
That damn liberal media.
fdl reader @ 55
The Institute of Medicine researched and published a seminal report about preventable medical errors several years ago. It spurred further research and another study investigating working conditions for nurses and morbidity and mortality rates of their patients. Both reports led to a massive look at patient safety and methodology in reducing preventable errors. However, the best patient outcomes are achieved when the providers work unobstructed by non-clinical entities (read insurers, administrators and regulators) and when patients are cared for by baccalaureate educated registered nurses. No study, to my knowledge, has demonstrated reductions in errors when under threat of punitive withholding of reimbursement. One organization that has contributed to thousands of patients lives being saved via patient safety initiatives is the Institute for Healthcare Improvement.
fdl reader @ 36
Fleisher should be in jail for outing a CIA undercover agent not running free to promote more war.
Geoduck @ 56
Of the Rand types, tbogg has this to say:
Randians are like Scientologists but without the glamour
I remember a time in America when people would kind of laugh nervously and then find an excuse to go talk to someone else in the room when someone talked like this,. This is just a reminder that, when it comes to Randians, antisocial personality disorder is not a bug, it’s a feature.
christy and kagroX on Hartman, booyay!
OT:
Froomkin’s up Link
i thought i was the only one to find the rand books drivel.two dimensional,superficial portrayals of a so called natural elite.they had no resonance.
at the time of reading i was lucky enough to come across another author by the name of John Dos Passos.his USA Trilogy put rand into an even poorer light and showed a truer cleaner picture of your country.a giant–contemporary of hemingway with none of the self aggrandisment and fifty times more courage.
sorry to be off topic
but am wondering if any one has even heard of John Dos Passos.
he recieved a Nobel Prize for Literature
N=1 @ 48
montag @ 53
Process can take years, best to go through a service organization like the Disabled American Veterans or the Veterans of Foreign Wars
may @ 65
Yes, indeed. Dos Passos was a sort of gentry communist in the `30s, but, around the end of WWII, he had a one-car accident in which his wife was killed, and from about that time, he began to grow closer and closer to the right wing, finally becoming a spokesman of sorts for them.
Very good writer, though. You might look around PBS for an old, old episode of American Masters outlining his life, from probably twenty-five or so years ago.
SeamusD @ 66
It was easier post-Vietnam because people felt if draft dodgers were going to get amnesty people who served should get some consideration.
i have never understood this, that if someone is on my property, and i endanger them, they get injured or die, that i am liable personally and criminally……..yet you own a mine, or another corporation, and you’re not…..
raven @ 68
Here’s a page from Military.Com
SeamusD @ 66
Thanks to you both for the info. Doesn’t sound too promising for those railroaded into accepting general discharges.
N=1 @ 60
Thank you!
It’s much more involved than I knew.
Brisingamen @ 54
I understand your feelings; we instantly change the channel whenever such footage appears, whether in a newscast or whatever. But the idea of banning something from broadcast because it bothers a lot of people is very dangerous. If you take it to the level of it causing harm by being a factor in depression, then you’re narrowing it down to a small segment of the population, and the idea of legally banning something for that reason is even more dangerous.
On a personal level, the answer, though it’s hard, is don’t watch it.
The answer for people like Fleischer is shame, not law. Anyone who broadcasts it for political or personal gain should be disgraced. Unfortunately, the Right has no shame, so we must fall back on the next best thing: make sure it doesn’t work, by raising an outcry so that all decent people who do feel shame understand that the perpetrators should, but don’t, and supporting their cause means supporting that shamelessness in exploiting a national tragedy.
Vote Vets Ad hammering Squeaky Collins.
Bruce Fein says give Impeachment a chance
http://www.slate.com/id/2172547/nav/tap1/
dmac at 69 — That’s not quite right — corporations can be held criminally liable for certain actions which constitute a wilful negligence. They are also held civilly liable at a much lower standard than that, meaning damages and other compensation for victims. There are several levels of liability for businesses for injuries sustained — but they depend, in large part, on state law, federal law, the facts involved, whether the people involved were employees or otherwise, and a whole host of other factors — just like there are a whole host of factors involed in personal liability. Just FYI…ask any lawyer who specializes in labor law, there are ways to hold corporations to account for bad faith behavior, some more effectively than others.
Redshift — I’m mostly worried about children seeing it (that’s why I specified prime time).
Christy @ 76 — ok..what’s the legal definition of “willful negligence”?
N=1 @ 71
I think that they would be successful, eventually, if the medical evidence is there. It’s a lot easier to get a VA doctor to support a claim after the fact, when there is time to do background and prove that the veteran was not ill before enlistment. There is a lot of sympathy for the citizen soldier in medical communities, a lot more than in the Pentagon.
Toby at 78 — Depends on the state law definition. It’s not the same standard everywhere — which is why I didn’t spell it out.
This dude isn’t exactly a member of the Red Brigade but his article is very good.
Lind
September approaches, and with it the supposed watershed in the Iraq war that General David Petraeus’s report to Congress will represent. In reality, the report will make little difference in what the Democratically-controlled Congress does, because it has already decided what it will do, namely pretend to try to end the war while actually ensuring its continuation through the 2008 elections. That strategy seems to offer the best promise of electing more Democrats.
Nonetheless, much of the country eagerly wants to hear what General Petraeus has to say. What he says about the progress of the war in Iraq, however, is a secondary question. The primary question is, how credible is his report? Will it be a real military analysis, honest and forthright, or will it just be more kabuki, political “spin” dictated by the Bush White House? If it is the latter, then its content is immaterial, because it is not credible.
Ah, Christy – thank you. I’ll have to go see what I can find out. I can’t understand how people like Murray get away with this. They know this is dangerous and that there are other ways to mine which are less dangerous. He has this huge record of neglect. I just have a difficult time understanding why no one will hold him responsible for his actions.
Montaq,thank you,i did’t know that.i’ve just come across snippets over the years about his time in Spain.i get the feeling that the man he was then would be frothing at the mouth over what is happening now.
for a comparison it might be worth your while to check out what happened at the Beaconsfield Mine in Tasmania.
just to shine a light on the difference a strong union makes.
Rasmussen has some interesting poll numbers out. Looks like Romney has taken over HRC in the negative “I’ll vote against” category.
I found this of interest:
Clinton does a better job of uniting Republicans than any other candidate. Seventy-six percent (76%) of the GOP faithful say they’ll definitely vote against the former First Lady. Only 61% of Republicans say the same about Obama and Edwards.
Link
kathleen @ 75
Fein may have the constitutional high ground but I’m not sure he grasps (or at least states) all the political problems. A couple of examples:
Not surprisingly, after receiving that reassurance that there would be no consequences for their misconduct, the White House swiftly choked off the authority of Congress to expose executive lawlessness or maladministration by instructing current or former White House officials, including Karl Rove, Harriet Miers, and Joshua Bolten, to refuse to appear for testimony.
So I guess if his administration were actually in jeopardy Bush would simply acquiesce and throw open the doors??
If she possessed a crumb of decency or respect for democracy, she would permit a “free” vote in the House to decide on an impeachment inquiry without any obligation to support her lead.
So that we could be disappointed again by the Blue Dogs (a.k.a. “Bush dogs”) when they voted against it? Perhaps they have learned from their FISA fiasco, but I doubt it.
He never mentions the virtual impossibility of actually getting a conviction in the Senate.
Don’t get me wrong, I would love to see Bush/Cheney both impeached and convicted. But it can’t be as simple as Fein makes it out to be.
Brisingamen @ 77
You hadn’t mentioned children in your initial comment, so I wasn’t particularly considering that, but is there any reason to believe that children are especially affected by it? I would think that most of those who are now children wouldn’t have been old enough for the images to have any particular impact on them.
I’ve gotta say, I’m especially wary of arguments to ban something completely (even in a specific time period) in order to keep it away from children. That line of reasoning has been abused many times by people (especially conservatives about anything concerning sex) who falsely claimed that research showed harm to children when their true motivation was just that they didn’t like it.
Toby at 82 — An example of this would be that criminal charges were recently filed against the company that made the glue for the panels that fell off the Big Dig in Boston. I can’t recall whether that was a state or federal charge, though — but somewhere there was a law that allowed for charges to be brought in MA under that set of facts for that particular type of case. But the folks in Utah would need to check the laws in their jurisdiction and applicable federal laws on that type of issue — and I’d say the families involved have already consulted with legal counsel. I know the folks involved in the mining disaster here in WV at Sago certainly did.
New post upstairs – video compare-contrast by Jane
PS
i’m not saying the union is perfect
in the Tassie case they did the job
courage, perseverance and sheer bloody-mindedness
as the saying goes
if you weaken–you die
And bridges fall down with families driving over tham when the problems were previously known and more or less ignored to ‘keep taxes low’.
Cspan1 Live
Warner pulling the old bait and switch… Peace is at hand as we speak by a Gang of 5? WTF?
Our soldiers performing brilliantly blah blah blah.
He just got back from the WH with his talking points intact. Watch it and weep for those to be killed in the next two friedman units.
And, for anyone still in doubt as to whether or not the Bush Administration is trying to hide stuff from us:
“If you want to know something as simple as who heads the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, don’t bother to ask the safety agency’s communications office. Without special permission, officials there are no longer allowed to provide information to reporters except on a background basis, which means it cannot be attributed to a spokesman.”
http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.co…..verything/
Folks, we are talking about NHTSA here..not the NSA…the National Hightway Traffic Safety Administration. They have a new director who feels that the only person who should be talking to the press is …her.
thanks christie
thanks tula
toby-i’ve been trying to reach the faa all week…there is a recording on the line that it is being worked on for ‘trouble’….
only line for them listed….
peanutbutter @ 3
Well, maybe, but …
Let’s assume for purposes of discussion that I agree with you that mines should be locally owned.
Where is the $ supposed to come from to buy said mines from the current owners? There is, you will recall, the small annoyance of the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution.
And if your plan is to condemn the property and actually pay fair market value for it (as the Constitution requires), and you propose to pay for it by raising Federal income taxes (which would be the fiscally responsible thing to do), how do you respond when someone like me, who lives hundreds of miles from the nearest coal mine, asks the perfectly reasonable question, “why should I have to pay for this?”
Brisingamen @ 40
Not unless you can explain to me how, in light of existing Supreme Court precedent, that’s a reasonable restriction on the time, place, or manner of otherwise First Amendment-protected speech.
As odious as this is (and for the record, I entirely agree that it is odious), political speech is at the core of what is protected by the First Amendment. Gotta take the bad with the good.
Well, actually, no you don’t gotta take the bad with the good. The good’s gotta be so loud and persistent that the bad can’t be heard.
Well you often hear from people that “Republikans are good for business.” I’d like to rephrase that and say Republikans are good for the worst kind of business. No regulation, no mercy for working people and families.
I was actually watching something on PBS (was it Gwen Ifill?) and was completely appalled when they mentioned the mine owner stated he was ready to mine again and quit rescue efforts. I really hope the families of the Utah six get some closure. I hope the miners are alive and they’re found. (I don’t care what the odds are.) To simply restart work, ditch rescue efforts is worse than callous. It’s possibly murder.
The show also mentioned mine owners in Utah are mining around a place where 200 miners were trapped alive or dead in the early 1900s, and many miners refuse to mine near the place out of “superstition.” (How mulish of those miners! /snark). I’d say respect for the dead is a better way of putting it. The owners seem like they’d roll over a dead body if theythought they could find a dollar underneath.
Elliott @ 7
Well maybe not for a nickle, but there’s a price, and it’s not all that high. The CEO’s get their take from both ends. They kill their workers and they rob their shareholders. Nice work if you can get it and stomach it. I’m surprised there aren’t more ‘hits’ in corporate America. The Soprano’s would be right at home there.
Toby Wollin @ 92
I saw her on TV. Why do they all sound whiny. Is it something they teach in Young Rethug seminars?
may @ 65
Fabulous Trilogy, and chronicles a turning point in our history. We can draw from that well.
I know this is EPU territory, but I just had an insight that belongs on this thread.
When George W. Bush says “freedom,” what he really means is unfettered “greed.” To him, Freedom means being able to grab with gusto, and never having to say “I’m sorry”.
Bob in HI
When I heard the mine owner talk about sealing the mine, I wondered if he could be hiding something.
It’s still important to see if he was using that dangerous mining technique that he denied using.
If the mine is sealed, we may never know.
Geoduck @ 56
Thanks to Alan Greenspan and his wonderful economic policies she is biting them in the ass every single day.
I just watched the local media out here in MA on the mine story…Let’s see, it starts with 2 survivor family interviews with one calmly stating Murray was mean and yelling at them when breaking the news about not going forward with any further rescue attempts,even though this family member says he had originally told them they would come out one way or another, dead or alive.
Next clip, about the Murray saying he won’t be going near that evil mountain. News anchor voice over says he will be shutting the mine down. And that’s it other than Teddy Kennedy (the local Senator) will be holding hearings of his committee (health education and labor)about this incident immediatly when they get back to work.
Funny, if I hadn’t read the news here with links about what really went down I would never have known Murray was all ready to continue mining operations elsewhere in the same mine until saner heads voiced their outrage.
Notice as all greedy bullies do, they blame someone else…in this case Murray blames the evil mountain for the whole tragedy and wants the mountain to take responsibility.
Anyway, thanks for your great updates, links, and posts here.
Good one, Tula!
I’ve been watching this summabitch. I know for a fact – I’m getting pissed again….
I heard Rob Moore say repeatedly they were going to continue mining. I saved all of the stories in my ‘delicious’ e-thing. Murray said something akin. Rambling on about the UMW “starting rumors and preying on miners” – that c*****er should look int the *&69*ing mirror.
Biodun @ 13
I’m a different Elliott.
It really interested me to hear that they were giving up looking for the miners. At the twin towers they searched for years to find every minute fragment of bone of a victim. In Utah after two weeks it’s business as usual. I guess we now see what life is worth in new york, and Utah
Farmington:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F…..e_disaster
The fires continued to burn for over a week, and on November 29, rescuers finally admitted defeat after air samples from drill holes showed air unable to sustain human life. The mine was sealed on November 30 with concrete to starve the fire of oxygen.
In September 1969, the mine was unsealed in an attempt to recover the miners’ bodies. Progress was slow because workers discovered cave-ins that they had to tunnel around. This recovery effort continued for almost ten years. By April 1978, 59 of the 78 bodies had been recovered. Unable to recover the other 19, the mine was permanently sealed.
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But none of this sort of recovery nonsense for Mr. Murray. Costs too much, you see.
But I’m curious as to whether any mine in the U.S. has allowed mining operations to resume with miners still trapped inside.
My sense is that the tide is turning and public outrage will contain some if not all of the outrageous behavior on part of men such as Murray.
It is happening in New York. TheD.Bankbuilding fireis a complex matter which is shaping up with multiple investigations which ultimately may wind up with various city and state agencies pointing the finger at each other.
The building is owned by the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation, a joint city and state agency. LMDC hired the contractor, Bovis and should have been overseeing the de-construction of the building. There appear to be multiple hazards at the cite which created what many are calling a death trap. The Manhattan DA is investigating and thus there is the possibility of criminal charges. The NYFD brass has admitted that there were no plans in place to fight a fire at the building (they are putting them together now) and the Fire union has requested that the NY Attorney General is investigate. Last I checked Andrew Cuomo is obliging their request. Meanwhile, Mayor Mike, fan of all things corporate, insists that even though the sand pipe – the source of water for a fire fight – was purposely taken apart, no one is going to jail. I wish I could find the quote – but it seems that the story has been scrubbed.
Simply tragic. Fine and good men doing what they do while the brass and government they trust to protect them fail unbelievably. People here in NYC are upset – the NY Post has called for the resignation of the fire commissioner http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/postopinion.htm And the wife of one of the fallen has asked that her husbandnot die in vain. Thankfully this story will not go away. My hope is that justice is served and lessons are learned. Maybe this, along with the turnaround for the Utah case, are finally the beginning of a new day.