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		<title>By: egregious</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/23/bush-dog-brian-baird/#comment-917179</link>
		<dc:creator>egregious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 20:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;For the record I personally know Brian and his wife. He is intelligent, capable, thoughtful, involved, and in general an outstanding Rep for the people in his district.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Not everything can be accomplished by attacking a congressman for being too different from what we would like.  Want to see a change in that district? Need to work with the voters there, because they love him and rightly so.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the record I personally know Brian and his wife. He is intelligent, capable, thoughtful, involved, and in general an outstanding Rep for the people in his district.  </p>
<p>Not everything can be accomplished by attacking a congressman for being too different from what we would like.  Want to see a change in that district? Need to work with the voters there, because they love him and rightly so.</p>
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		<title>By: Finngall</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/23/bush-dog-brian-baird/#comment-916683</link>
		<dc:creator>Finngall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yes, the Uncle Sam billboard is still there.  Original owner Alfred Hamilton passed away a few years back, but his son keeps up the tradition.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I even sent a condolence card when I heard about Mr. Hamilton’s passing.  My First-Amendment-loving heart always had a great appreciation for this shining example of freedom of speech writ large, even if I was usually diametrically opposed to the opinions thereon.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Hamiltons are Birchers, methinks, so it didn’t come as a complete shock when the last couple of messages questioned A) our involvement in the quagmire and B) the guvmint’s growing power to spy on its citizens.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the Uncle Sam billboard is still there.  Original owner Alfred Hamilton passed away a few years back, but his son keeps up the tradition.</p>
<p>I even sent a condolence card when I heard about Mr. Hamilton’s passing.  My First-Amendment-loving heart always had a great appreciation for this shining example of freedom of speech writ large, even if I was usually diametrically opposed to the opinions thereon.</p>
<p>The Hamiltons are Birchers, methinks, so it didn’t come as a complete shock when the last couple of messages questioned A) our involvement in the quagmire and B) the guvmint’s growing power to spy on its citizens.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoduck</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/23/bush-dog-brian-baird/#comment-916312</link>
		<dc:creator>Geoduck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 06:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m another Baird constituant, and as already touched on, the political makeup of this district ranges clear across the spectrum. The more rural (ex-)logging areas are practically neolithic, while the city of Olympia is a bastian of hippydom. It’s not surprising that Baird tends to jump around with his voting record. (He lost me long ago, with the previously-mentioned flag burning garbage.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And that Uncle Sam billboard is still there along I5. Surprisingly, the last time I went past it, it had a message questioning the war in Iraq…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m another Baird constituant, and as already touched on, the political makeup of this district ranges clear across the spectrum. The more rural (ex-)logging areas are practically neolithic, while the city of Olympia is a bastian of hippydom. It’s not surprising that Baird tends to jump around with his voting record. (He lost me long ago, with the previously-mentioned flag burning garbage.)</p>
<p>And that Uncle Sam billboard is still there along I5. Surprisingly, the last time I went past it, it had a message questioning the war in Iraq…</p>
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		<title>By: Bill R.</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/23/bush-dog-brian-baird/#comment-916291</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 06:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Baird voted originally not to invade Iraq. So he’s basically drunk the kool aide  and become a true Bush-dog. His next town hall meeting is Aug. 27 in Vancouver WA. So, listen up, folks in Vancouver and Portland, and come raise holy hell and hold Baird accountable, now that he has chosen to have blood on his hands.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baird voted originally not to invade Iraq. So he’s basically drunk the kool aide  and become a true Bush-dog. His next town hall meeting is Aug. 27 in Vancouver WA. So, listen up, folks in Vancouver and Portland, and come raise holy hell and hold Baird accountable, now that he has chosen to have blood on his hands.</p>
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		<title>By: xargaw</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/23/bush-dog-brian-baird/#comment-916108</link>
		<dc:creator>xargaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 04:25:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-915418&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;t4toby @ 10&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;That part of Washington is pretty conservative.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In fact, it is where &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.roadsideamerica.com/tips/getAttraction.php?tip_AttractionNo==6002&quot;&gt;this billboard&lt;/a&gt; used to be.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This was “mill country and ranching/agra country.” It was hit hard in the 90s when most of the mills closed. Lewis County is the poorest in the state. It might as well be part of the Utah or Idaho. About all they have left are antique merchants, a correctional facility and some small ranches. It is pretty country, but basically FOX NOISE watchers. There is a vast brain cell shortage between Olympia WA and Portland OR.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Excepting from Tacoma to Canada, directly surrounding I-5 (West of the mountains), most of Washington is pretty conservative. There just aren’t that many people in the rest of the state, and many are Conservative as a reaction to the ‘Liberal Bias’ of Seattle.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Me?  I’m just here for the micro-brew. Viva White Center!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-915418"><em>t4toby @ 10</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>That part of Washington is pretty conservative.  </p>
<p>In fact, it is where <a href="http://www.roadsideamerica.com/tips/getAttraction.php?tip_AttractionNo==6002">this billboard</a> used to be.</p>
<p>This was “mill country and ranching/agra country.” It was hit hard in the 90s when most of the mills closed. Lewis County is the poorest in the state. It might as well be part of the Utah or Idaho. About all they have left are antique merchants, a correctional facility and some small ranches. It is pretty country, but basically FOX NOISE watchers. There is a vast brain cell shortage between Olympia WA and Portland OR.</p>
<p>Excepting from Tacoma to Canada, directly surrounding I-5 (West of the mountains), most of Washington is pretty conservative. There just aren’t that many people in the rest of the state, and many are Conservative as a reaction to the ‘Liberal Bias’ of Seattle.</p>
<p>Me?  I’m just here for the micro-brew. Viva White Center!</p>
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		<title>By: Smgumby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Smgumby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 03:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-915431&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;gleev @ 23&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;There used to be a huge John Birch billboard along side I5 in that neck of the woods.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think it is still there. Right outside Centralia with a large picture of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.roadsideamerica.com/attract/images/wa/WACHEbillboard_wendigo187.jpg&quot;&gt;Uncle Sam&lt;/a&gt; on it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I live in Bairds district and have been apoplectic since I heard of his new found belief in the “success” of the “surge”.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He will be holding a whopping 2 town meetings during his vacation, both are next week. Anybody want to join me in expressing our disappointment? &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.house.gov/baird/about/town.shtml&quot;&gt;Here&lt;/a&gt; are the details.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-915431"><em>gleev @ 23</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>There used to be a huge John Birch billboard along side I5 in that neck of the woods.</p>
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<p>I think it is still there. Right outside Centralia with a large picture of <a href="http://www.roadsideamerica.com/attract/images/wa/WACHEbillboard_wendigo187.jpg">Uncle Sam</a> on it.</p>
<p>I live in Bairds district and have been apoplectic since I heard of his new found belief in the “success” of the “surge”.</p>
<p>He will be holding a whopping 2 town meetings during his vacation, both are next week. Anybody want to join me in expressing our disappointment? <a href="http://www.house.gov/baird/about/town.shtml">Here</a> are the details.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/23/bush-dog-brian-baird/#comment-915956</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 03:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-915608&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Steve-AR @ 181&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;@ 162..Sounds like Baird should be ignored and just used as a warm body to determine House leadership. Dems like Baird are neutered by defeating Republicans with progressives. When the Blue/Bush Dogs can’t swing the majority vote..they have lost their power and the leadership can bust their balls. Like “Your want pork for your district?  We have a nice basement office for you, this term”.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Baird’s district sounds complicated and he might be just the right person for it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So, I agree with Steve-AR that we should just get his vote on House leadership and then let him go his own way.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-915608"><em>Steve-AR @ 181</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>@ 162..Sounds like Baird should be ignored and just used as a warm body to determine House leadership. Dems like Baird are neutered by defeating Republicans with progressives. When the Blue/Bush Dogs can’t swing the majority vote..they have lost their power and the leadership can bust their balls. Like “Your want pork for your district?  We have a nice basement office for you, this term”.</p>
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<p>Baird’s district sounds complicated and he might be just the right person for it.</p>
<p>So, I agree with Steve-AR that we should just get his vote on House leadership and then let him go his own way.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/23/bush-dog-brian-baird/#comment-915898</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 03:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-915453&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Oklahoma kiddo @ 41&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
…&lt;br /&gt;
Did you know the ancient Greeks actually killed each other over the existence of negative numbers? i= the sq. root of -1.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So, one guy (claiming there are negatives) is on the ground and the other one is pounding him into dirt with a hammer until he’s dead and then he keeps pounding and yelling ‘dead’, ‘dead’, ‘dead’ before suddenly realizing he’d basically invented -1, -2 and -3. Of course, then he had to apologize to the now dead debator.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sigh…good times.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-915453"><em>Oklahoma kiddo @ 41</em></a></p>
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…<br />
Did you know the ancient Greeks actually killed each other over the existence of negative numbers? i= the sq. root of -1.</p>
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<p>So, one guy (claiming there are negatives) is on the ground and the other one is pounding him into dirt with a hammer until he’s dead and then he keeps pounding and yelling ‘dead’, ‘dead’, ‘dead’ before suddenly realizing he’d basically invented -1, -2 and -3. Of course, then he had to apologize to the now dead debator.</p>
<p>Sigh…good times.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Smith</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/23/bush-dog-brian-baird/#comment-915811</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 02:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Baird receieved slobbering praise today from the Oregonian’s wingnut Ass. Editor, David Reinhard.  Aside from Joe Lieberman, this the only democrat the man has ever loved.  I hope his primary opponent uses it; though it is true that SW Washington is a reddish smear on our blue region, Reinhard is a shorter, balder Archie Bunker and a local laughingstock.  Even tax expatriates from the “Couv” read the Oregonian enough to despise Reinhard.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baird receieved slobbering praise today from the Oregonian’s wingnut Ass. Editor, David Reinhard.  Aside from Joe Lieberman, this the only democrat the man has ever loved.  I hope his primary opponent uses it; though it is true that SW Washington is a reddish smear on our blue region, Reinhard is a shorter, balder Archie Bunker and a local laughingstock.  Even tax expatriates from the “Couv” read the Oregonian enough to despise Reinhard.</p>
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		<title>By: low-tech cyclist (formerly RT)</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/23/bush-dog-brian-baird/#comment-915721</link>
		<dc:creator>low-tech cyclist (formerly RT)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 01:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;My look at Baird’s district (WA-3; grab map &lt;a href=&quot;http://nationalatlas.gov/printable/congress.html#wa&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, get county-by-county Bush-Kerry results &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004//pages/results/states/WA/P/00/county.001.html&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;) shows that this district went for Bush over Kerry by maybe 2% in 2004.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We won districts like that all across the country in 2006.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So I’d say Baird’s ripe for a primary challenge.  This isn’t a GOP district; it’s very much a swing district.  And how we win swing districts is by &lt;em&gt;standing for something&lt;/em&gt;, by God.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My look at Baird’s district (WA-3; grab map <a href="http://nationalatlas.gov/printable/congress.html#wa">here</a>, get county-by-county Bush-Kerry results <a href="http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004//pages/results/states/WA/P/00/county.001.html">here</a>) shows that this district went for Bush over Kerry by maybe 2% in 2004.</p>
<p>We won districts like that all across the country in 2006.</p>
<p>So I’d say Baird’s ripe for a primary challenge.  This isn’t a GOP district; it’s very much a swing district.  And how we win swing districts is by <em>standing for something</em>, by God.</p>
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