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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/23/11165/#comment-916867</link>
		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 17:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-916722&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;liberal elite @ 254&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-915638&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Steve-AR @ 17&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The Dems don’t have the votes to start undoing this shit..the best we can hope for is to slow it down and expose the criminality. One can only know in retrospect but it is looking like 11/08 may be the last chance to save our Constitutional Democracy.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Our Constitutional democracy has been OPD since the Civil War.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Our best chance to save our democracy is to START OVER, if you know what I mean, and right away, if not sooner.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The constitution works just fine if it is honored and respected.  It does not need to be redone, just paid attention to in an enlightened way instead of the right wingnut fantasy dream way that has marked the last 25  years.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-916722"><em>liberal elite @ 254</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-915638"><em>Steve-AR @ 17</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>The Dems don’t have the votes to start undoing this shit..the best we can hope for is to slow it down and expose the criminality. One can only know in retrospect but it is looking like 11/08 may be the last chance to save our Constitutional Democracy.</p>
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<p>Our Constitutional democracy has been OPD since the Civil War.</p>
<p>Our best chance to save our democracy is to START OVER, if you know what I mean, and right away, if not sooner.</p>
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<p>The constitution works just fine if it is honored and respected.  It does not need to be redone, just paid attention to in an enlightened way instead of the right wingnut fantasy dream way that has marked the last 25  years.</p>
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		<title>By: liberal elite</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/23/11165/#comment-916722</link>
		<dc:creator>liberal elite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-915638&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Steve-AR @ 17&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The Dems don’t have the votes to start undoing this shit..the best we can hope for is to slow it down and expose the criminality. One can only know in retrospect but it is looking like 11/08 may be the last chance to save our Constitutional Democracy.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Our Constitutional democracy has been OPD since the Civil War.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Our best chance to save our democracy is to START OVER, if you know what I mean, and right away, if not sooner.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-915638"><em>Steve-AR @ 17</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>The Dems don’t have the votes to start undoing this shit..the best we can hope for is to slow it down and expose the criminality. One can only know in retrospect but it is looking like 11/08 may be the last chance to save our Constitutional Democracy.</p>
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<p>Our Constitutional democracy has been OPD since the Civil War.</p>
<p>Our best chance to save our democracy is to START OVER, if you know what I mean, and right away, if not sooner.</p>
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		<title>By: tryggth</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/23/11165/#comment-916153</link>
		<dc:creator>tryggth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 04:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Coming late to this 250  comment thread…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Has anyone mentioned that something that DID make it into the new FISA leg. is a mechanism to force the non-compliant telcos into compliance?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Its a stretch, but maybe that is what the hospital room bruhaha was about.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coming late to this 250  comment thread…</p>
<p>Has anyone mentioned that something that DID make it into the new FISA leg. is a mechanism to force the non-compliant telcos into compliance?</p>
<p>Its a stretch, but maybe that is what the hospital room bruhaha was about.</p>
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		<title>By: smapdi</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/23/11165/#comment-916045</link>
		<dc:creator>smapdi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 03:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I wanna clarify that while I can no longer listen to Cat Stevens, it is Yusuf Islam that technically sucks.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wanna clarify that while I can no longer listen to Cat Stevens, it is Yusuf Islam that technically sucks.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/23/11165/#comment-916022</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 03:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-915641&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;dakine01 @ 19&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;AT&amp;T is scared and it couldn’t happen to a more deserving group of corporate weenies.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Give ‘em the immunity they seek ONLY if they all agree to quit fighting Net Neutrality for the next 25 years.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Okay, let’s do some horse trading. What exactly do Progressives want in trade for telcom immunity?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Let House &amp; Senate pass existing legislation.&lt;br /&gt;
Bankruptcy Law redo.&lt;br /&gt;
Mortgage industry fixes.&lt;br /&gt;
Money for infrastructure.&lt;br /&gt;
Higher auto mileage standards.&lt;br /&gt;
No Child Left Behind reform.&lt;br /&gt;
Net Neutrality.&lt;br /&gt;
Redirect Nat’l Guard to NOLA.&lt;br /&gt;
Close Gitmo.&lt;br /&gt;
Enemy Combatants in Justice sys.&lt;br /&gt;
MCAct redo. (restore habeas)&lt;br /&gt;
FISA redo. (restore 4th amend.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What else am I forgetting?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-915641"><em>dakine01 @ 19</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>AT&amp;T is scared and it couldn’t happen to a more deserving group of corporate weenies.</p>
<p>Give ‘em the immunity they seek ONLY if they all agree to quit fighting Net Neutrality for the next 25 years.</p>
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<p>Okay, let’s do some horse trading. What exactly do Progressives want in trade for telcom immunity?</p>
<p>Let House &amp; Senate pass existing legislation.<br />
Bankruptcy Law redo.<br />
Mortgage industry fixes.<br />
Money for infrastructure.<br />
Higher auto mileage standards.<br />
No Child Left Behind reform.<br />
Net Neutrality.<br />
Redirect Nat’l Guard to NOLA.<br />
Close Gitmo.<br />
Enemy Combatants in Justice sys.<br />
MCAct redo. (restore habeas)<br />
FISA redo. (restore 4th amend.)</p>
<p>What else am I forgetting?</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/23/11165/#comment-915974</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 03:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-915622&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Everythingseemssoneat @ 5&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;What does Zed mean?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;square root of -3&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-915622"><em>Everythingseemssoneat @ 5</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>What does Zed mean?</p>
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<p>square root of -3</p>
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		<title>By: GordonM</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/23/11165/#comment-915931</link>
		<dc:creator>GordonM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 03:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-915881&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;dmac @ 240&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;james-can’t find the link, maybe ls had it? that was about scanners that can read from 3 feet away that read codes from products and other uses. was important, can’t find it in my bookmarks, i’ll look tomorrow, time for sleep……&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;RFID. Start with wikipedia.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-915881"><em>dmac @ 240</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>james-can’t find the link, maybe ls had it? that was about scanners that can read from 3 feet away that read codes from products and other uses. was important, can’t find it in my bookmarks, i’ll look tomorrow, time for sleep……</p>
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<p>RFID. Start with wikipedia.</p>
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		<title>By: Airport Cat</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/23/11165/#comment-915927</link>
		<dc:creator>Airport Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 03:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-915880&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;LS @ 239&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-915875&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Airport Cat @ 234&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;For those who may be interested, the NTSB report on the aircraft crash in which Sen. Wellstone died is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/2003/AAR0303.pdf&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. I’m extremely skeptical when it comes to conspiracy theories over these types of incidents. Yes, it was a tragedy and it happened to benefit some people whose politics are not what many of us would regard as desireable, but that in itself is NOT evidence of “assassination”.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I missed the part where someone said “assassination”.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Google the Wellstone crash, you’ll find plenty of references to it … nobody said it here, true, but there’s no doubt that some believe it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;With respect to TWA 800, that was not the first instance of an explosive fuel-air mixture in a nearly-empty fuel tank igniting with disastrous results … just the first one to happen to a civilian airliner in flight.  As noted, I’m a skeptic when it comes to conspiracies, but that doesn’t mean I think there’s never been one.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-915880"><em>LS @ 239</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-915875"><em>Airport Cat @ 234</em></a></p>
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<p>For those who may be interested, the NTSB report on the aircraft crash in which Sen. Wellstone died is <a href="http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/2003/AAR0303.pdf">here</a>. I’m extremely skeptical when it comes to conspiracy theories over these types of incidents. Yes, it was a tragedy and it happened to benefit some people whose politics are not what many of us would regard as desireable, but that in itself is NOT evidence of “assassination”.</p>
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<p>I missed the part where someone said “assassination”.</p>
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<p>Google the Wellstone crash, you’ll find plenty of references to it … nobody said it here, true, but there’s no doubt that some believe it.</p>
<p>With respect to TWA 800, that was not the first instance of an explosive fuel-air mixture in a nearly-empty fuel tank igniting with disastrous results … just the first one to happen to a civilian airliner in flight.  As noted, I’m a skeptic when it comes to conspiracies, but that doesn’t mean I think there’s never been one.</p>
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		<title>By: GordonM</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/23/11165/#comment-915918</link>
		<dc:creator>GordonM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 03:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-915878&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Eureka Springs @ 237&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
Did your friend say whether or not dropping a hammer on ones DL will might cause chip failure?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They cook easily. Like in a microwave, well before the plastic melts.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Depending on the chip, they can also be reprogrammed. There was a big todo in England on this. A week or two after the Brits signed on to their version of real ID, somebody demonstrated swiping the info off one card and reprogramming a 2nd card to be identical.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m a long time techie, and I find this stuff amusing. You see, decentralized technology is &lt;b&gt;inherently&lt;/b&gt; subversive. When it used by centralized powers, it is easily subverted (DRM was hacked immediately - it’s only a headache to Windows / Apple users; Linux users have never been bothered for long). What’s really funny is that the Big Guys always think it’s infallible (’cause they think they’re infallible) - then some kid Cassie’s age will live on Coke and chips for a week and &lt;i&gt;poof&lt;/i&gt;, the emporer’s clothes disappear.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-915878"><em>Eureka Springs @ 237</em></a></p>
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Did your friend say whether or not dropping a hammer on ones DL will might cause chip failure?</p>
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<p>They cook easily. Like in a microwave, well before the plastic melts.</p>
<p>Depending on the chip, they can also be reprogrammed. There was a big todo in England on this. A week or two after the Brits signed on to their version of real ID, somebody demonstrated swiping the info off one card and reprogramming a 2nd card to be identical.</p>
<p>I’m a long time techie, and I find this stuff amusing. You see, decentralized technology is <b>inherently</b> subversive. When it used by centralized powers, it is easily subverted (DRM was hacked immediately &#8211; it’s only a headache to Windows / Apple users; Linux users have never been bothered for long). What’s really funny is that the Big Guys always think it’s infallible (’cause they think they’re infallible) &#8211; then some kid Cassie’s age will live on Coke and chips for a week and <i>poof</i>, the emporer’s clothes disappear.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Clausen</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/23/11165/#comment-915907</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Clausen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 03:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;bmaz,&lt;br /&gt;
 Hangin in there. Had to read ch 24 of potter to the kids.&lt;br /&gt;
I for one would want to talk to the qwest attorney’s on why they resisted the cooption.&lt;br /&gt;
My carrier…Yea  Claus&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bmaz,<br />
 Hangin in there. Had to read ch 24 of potter to the kids.<br />
I for one would want to talk to the qwest attorney’s on why they resisted the cooption.<br />
My carrier…Yea  Claus</p>
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