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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/22/cya/#comment-914286</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 09:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;On the other hand, these ads might be intended to a) bolster support for the Republicans during heir opposition to the withdrawal of troops after the Petraeus report; and b) assist the Repugs in their re-election bids in those Red Districts.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The fact that they are targeting Red Districts really suggests that they are not even bothering to sway Democrats. The want to prevent defections by stimulating at least an equitable amount of comments to their Congressmen and Senators to balance those calls made by those who are demanding an end to the Iraq occupation. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So what that means is that large numbers of REPUBLICANS and INDEPENDENTS in these Red Areas are pissed off and sick as hell of this war! I suspect this because most progressives have utterly given up on the ideological conservative Republican Congressional Delegation. Except for an occasional visit (as LooHoos to Issa’s aide) we don’t even bother. But apparently there are lots of others that ARE! &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So Fleisher’s Neo-Con group is attempting to give at least temporary space to extend this out another 3-6 months.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But by this very logic it “encourages the enemy”. Remember how they howled that having these periodic votes encouraged al Qaida to attack even more heatedly to influence the vote, endangering our forces? Well by that logic extending this by 3-6 months will simply do that once more. Deciding NOW would cut that future “Tet” offensive off at the legs.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And if al Qaida and the militias hunker down until we leave wouldn’t THAT give the Iraqis time to get their act together? I thought that was what the surge was intended to do…and we can do it while REDUCING OUR TROOP LEVELS!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the other hand, these ads might be intended to a) bolster support for the Republicans during heir opposition to the withdrawal of troops after the Petraeus report; and b) assist the Repugs in their re-election bids in those Red Districts.</p>
<p>The fact that they are targeting Red Districts really suggests that they are not even bothering to sway Democrats. The want to prevent defections by stimulating at least an equitable amount of comments to their Congressmen and Senators to balance those calls made by those who are demanding an end to the Iraq occupation. </p>
<p>So what that means is that large numbers of REPUBLICANS and INDEPENDENTS in these Red Areas are pissed off and sick as hell of this war! I suspect this because most progressives have utterly given up on the ideological conservative Republican Congressional Delegation. Except for an occasional visit (as LooHoos to Issa’s aide) we don’t even bother. But apparently there are lots of others that ARE! </p>
<p>So Fleisher’s Neo-Con group is attempting to give at least temporary space to extend this out another 3-6 months.</p>
<p>But by this very logic it “encourages the enemy”. Remember how they howled that having these periodic votes encouraged al Qaida to attack even more heatedly to influence the vote, endangering our forces? Well by that logic extending this by 3-6 months will simply do that once more. Deciding NOW would cut that future “Tet” offensive off at the legs.</p>
<p>And if al Qaida and the militias hunker down until we leave wouldn’t THAT give the Iraqis time to get their act together? I thought that was what the surge was intended to do…and we can do it while REDUCING OUR TROOP LEVELS!</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/22/cya/#comment-914283</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 08:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-912483&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;QuakerGirl @ 129&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-912462&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Strategerie @ 107&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I’m surprised those who think the surge is such a great idea don’t sign up themselves. After all, woudln’t it just be the thing to put their money where their mouths are?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;-S&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yep! Put your body where your mouth is or as the man on the street says, walk the talk. Personally I like the Old West one, “Don’t tell me. Show me.”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yep! Where there were Abraham Lincoln Brigades of volunteers fighting the fascists in the Spanish Civil War…the Neo-Cons should form volunteer regiments helping fight the militias and Al Qaida in the Iraq Civil War. Emphasis on “VOLUNTEER”.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-912483"><em>QuakerGirl @ 129</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-912462"><em>Strategerie @ 107</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>I’m surprised those who think the surge is such a great idea don’t sign up themselves. After all, woudln’t it just be the thing to put their money where their mouths are?</p>
<p>-S</p>
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<p>Yep! Put your body where your mouth is or as the man on the street says, walk the talk. Personally I like the Old West one, “Don’t tell me. Show me.”</p>
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<p>Yep! Where there were Abraham Lincoln Brigades of volunteers fighting the fascists in the Spanish Civil War…the Neo-Cons should form volunteer regiments helping fight the militias and Al Qaida in the Iraq Civil War. Emphasis on “VOLUNTEER”.</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/22/cya/#comment-914280</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 08:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-912469&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;mc @ 115&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-912447&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Balrog @ 94&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Roger Stone &lt;a href=&quot;http://apnews.myway.com//article/20070822/D8R67B6O1.html&quot;&gt;resigns.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;CREEP&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;LOL! “I would &lt;em&gt;submit &lt;/em&gt;that such a message &lt;em&gt;could have been&lt;/em&gt; fabricated, and I will have voice analysis experts look at it…”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Stone said the phone number cited by Bernard Spitzer’s lawyers is his, but the apartment is owned by a Spitzer fundraiser and someone else &lt;em&gt;could have gotten inside to make the call or used other technology to mimic his voice and that number.&lt;/em&gt;“&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Why quit if he is actually innocent, then?  It’s almost as if he says…okay, you caught me…but if I can wiggle out of it by finding that someone else COULD HAVE made something that sounded just like me and use my mobile phone number…I sure will!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-912469"><em>mc @ 115</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-912447"><em>Balrog @ 94</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Roger Stone <a href="http://apnews.myway.com//article/20070822/D8R67B6O1.html">resigns.</a></p>
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<p>CREEP</p>
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<p>LOL! “I would <em>submit </em>that such a message <em>could have been</em> fabricated, and I will have voice analysis experts look at it…”</p>
<p>“Stone said the phone number cited by Bernard Spitzer’s lawyers is his, but the apartment is owned by a Spitzer fundraiser and someone else <em>could have gotten inside to make the call or used other technology to mimic his voice and that number.</em>“</p>
<p>Why quit if he is actually innocent, then?  It’s almost as if he says…okay, you caught me…but if I can wiggle out of it by finding that someone else COULD HAVE made something that sounded just like me and use my mobile phone number…I sure will!</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/22/cya/#comment-913374</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 00:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-912519&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;realworld @ 160&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;OT but some good news. Tim Johnson has been given the go-ahead to leave the hospital and head back to SD. Hopefully it won’t be long before he is back in the Senate!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Excellent!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-912519"><em>realworld @ 160</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>OT but some good news. Tim Johnson has been given the go-ahead to leave the hospital and head back to SD. Hopefully it won’t be long before he is back in the Senate!</p>
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<p>Excellent!</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/22/cya/#comment-913359</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 00:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-912485&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;SnarKassandra @ 131&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.statesman.com/news/content/gen/ap/TX_Texas_Execution.html&quot;&gt;OT: &lt;/a&gt; Condemned inmate facing execution would be 400th in Texas&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Our next President ought to sign a bill ending all executions.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-912485"><em>SnarKassandra @ 131</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="http://www.statesman.com/news/content/gen/ap/TX_Texas_Execution.html">OT: </a> Condemned inmate facing execution would be 400th in Texas</p>
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<p>Our next President ought to sign a bill ending all executions.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/22/cya/#comment-913355</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 00:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-912482&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;mc @ 128&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;So who’s telling Shrub to make the Iraq-Vietnam association/analogy?  Rove, Bolten, Kristol, Cheney, Laura, Jenna’s fiance, Barney?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Of course, the worst case scenario is that he’s thinkin’ this shit up all by hisself.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I was wondering the same about the t.v. ads showing wounded vets.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There appears to be a new ’sheriff’ political boss in town. Would it be Gillespie and perhaps Karen Hughes working together?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-912482"><em>mc @ 128</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>So who’s telling Shrub to make the Iraq-Vietnam association/analogy?  Rove, Bolten, Kristol, Cheney, Laura, Jenna’s fiance, Barney?</p>
<p>Of course, the worst case scenario is that he’s thinkin’ this shit up all by hisself.</p>
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<p>I was wondering the same about the t.v. ads showing wounded vets.</p>
<p>There appears to be a new ’sheriff’ political boss in town. Would it be Gillespie and perhaps Karen Hughes working together?</p>
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		<title>By: Bluetoe</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/22/cya/#comment-913172</link>
		<dc:creator>Bluetoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 23:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Don’t expect anything to change until the people are ready, willing and able to storm the gates of government.  Don’t expect the Congress to lead the way.  They will only follow when there is so much pressure they are swept up by the masses.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don’t expect anything to change until the people are ready, willing and able to storm the gates of government.  Don’t expect the Congress to lead the way.  They will only follow when there is so much pressure they are swept up by the masses.</p>
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		<title>By: sunsin</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/22/cya/#comment-912660</link>
		<dc:creator>sunsin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 19:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-912480&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Biodun @ 126&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;For starters: How could you compare the completely different historical and political and social conditions and forces in the Middle East with those of Southeast Asia?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;To begin with, think of how Iraq would be different if the Iraqi Army fought as well as the ARVN did.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-912480"><em>Biodun @ 126</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>For starters: How could you compare the completely different historical and political and social conditions and forces in the Middle East with those of Southeast Asia?</p>
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<p>To begin with, think of how Iraq would be different if the Iraqi Army fought as well as the ARVN did.</p>
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		<title>By: tejanarusa</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/22/cya/#comment-912559</link>
		<dc:creator>tejanarusa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 19:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;from the wingnut piece Digby quotes:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The wisest course would have been for President Bush to use his nuclear weapons to slaughter Iraqis until they complied with his demands, or until they were all dead. Then there would be little risk or expense and no American army would be left exposed. But if he did this, his cowardly &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Whenever I think I’ve become so cynical/jaded that nothing these crazy nutjobs come up with can surprise me, they prove me wrong.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>from the wingnut piece Digby quotes:</p>
<blockquote><p>The wisest course would have been for President Bush to use his nuclear weapons to slaughter Iraqis until they complied with his demands, or until they were all dead. Then there would be little risk or expense and no American army would be left exposed. But if he did this, his cowardly </p>
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<p>Whenever I think I’ve become so cynical/jaded that nothing these crazy nutjobs come up with can surprise me, they prove me wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: tejanarusa</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/22/cya/#comment-912547</link>
		<dc:creator>tejanarusa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-912518&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;brendan @ 159&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;tejanarusa @130:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Chinese Communist Party is their model of capitalism.  See AZ Matt’s @138 for a timely reminder.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yep.  They’re (the Bushies) so good at choosing the best from the world’s “philosophies.”&lt;br /&gt;
/snark&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-912518"><em>brendan @ 159</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>tejanarusa @130:</p>
<p>The Chinese Communist Party is their model of capitalism.  See AZ Matt’s @138 for a timely reminder.</p>
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<p>Yep.  They’re (the Bushies) so good at choosing the best from the world’s “philosophies.”<br />
/snark</p>
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