Che’s Lounge @ 109

Let’s face it. Americans are stuck with Bush/Cheney, because not enough Democrats believe in the Constitution. With impeachment off the table, our only hope is to trade Bush/Cheney to another country, and as Bush noted yesterday, it’s our right to get rid of him and his crowd.

OK I used profanity in the last comment. Let’s try this:

Is this a serious blog? People are dying!

I think we’re still laughing too hard from when you called us “pseudo progressives.”

Well who do you support for president?

things come undone @ 103

Brendan@ 84 We never had enough troops in Vietnam is the main idea out of which the rest flow. The reconstruction efforts in Iraq the effort to bring Democracy to Vietnam those are the oppostions “cough” stronger points
I address them because I want to swat them with you can’t win hearts and minds by killing people argument.
I agree we were trying to conquer Vietnam just like we are trying to conquer Iraq, but first I have to discredit the lies before I get to the truth.
Not that I care why we went there like you do. Its why we leave that I think is important to discuss.
Once the majority of people get touched by war personally they start asking if its worth it. Absent a real threat to home they tend to answer no, but once that question is asked the war is lost.

I was arguing over historical accuracy. When you say “we didn’t have enough troops” in Vietnam you’re compounding your mistakes. We had over a half a million there at the height. Something like twelve million Americans served there over the course of the war. You’re unwittingly echoing the arguments of right wing revisionists who seek to justify present and future “interventions”.

How could we have had enough troops in Viet Nam to win if we lost the war? Rightwing revisionists can and will spin about why we could have won I can’t stop that.
But by focusing on more troops as the reason why we lost I indirectly put the light on our Presidents own lack of service in Viet Nam.

JF @ 71

Who brought up the Rove thing?

Radio jock, Stephanie Miller on her program, said it is rumor, but is circulating. As I said, Grain of Salt. But Gannon, also has to be thinking about his future income (a la Tony Snow and KKKarl Rove). He would make a fortune with a tell all book.

He would be wise to reconsider. After all, he wouldn’t want to end up dead in a bathtub in a cheap hotel in rural Georgia, like a Florida investigator looking into Republican criminal behavior.

The Bushies don’t play nice. They’re bullies and sociopaths. Don’t mess with ‘em that way.

Let’s face it. Americans are stuck with Bush/Cheney, because not enough Democrats believe in the Constitution. With impeachment off the table, our only hope is to trade Bush/Cheney to another country, and as Bush noted yesterday, it’s our right to get rid of him and his crowd.

OK I used profanity in the last comment. Let’s try this:

Is this a serious blog? People are dying!

I think we’re still laughing too hard from when you called us “pseudo progressives.”

OK I used profanity in the last comment. Let’s try this:

Is this a serious blog? People are dying!

raven @ 46

I think most people and certainly most Vietnam vets think that we could have and should have stayed until the bitter end.

Is this true? The vast majority of the people I know (including Vietnam vets) don’t think that. They think that we shouldn’t have gone to war there in the first place, and took far too long in getting out.

It’s just a sense that I have but I have to remember that I have lived in Georgia for 23 years.

I think most people and certainly most Vietnam vets think that we could have and should have stayed until the bitter end.

Is this true? The vast majority of the people I know (including Vietnam vets) don’t think that. They think that we shouldn’t have gone to war there in the first place, and took far too long in getting out.

Brendan@ 84 We never had enough troops in Vietnam is the main idea out of which the rest flow. The reconstruction efforts in Iraq the effort to bring Democracy to Vietnam those are the oppostions “cough” stronger points
I address them because I want to swat them with you can’t win hearts and minds by killing people argument.
I agree we were trying to conquer Vietnam just like we are trying to conquer Iraq, but first I have to discredit the lies before I get to the truth.
Not that I care why we went there like you do. Its why we leave that I think is important to discuss.
Once the majority of people get touched by war personally they start asking if its worth it. Absent a real threat to home they tend to answer no, but once that question is asked the war is lost.

I was arguing over historical accuracy. When you say “we didn’t have enough troops” in Vietnam you’re compounding your mistakes. We had over a half a million there at the height. Something like twelve million Americans served there over the course of the war. You’re unwittingly echoing the arguments of right wing revisionists who seek to justify present and future “interventions”.

No one could have predicted that the democrats in Congress would run scared.

No one could have predicted that we’d bomb Iran even after we understood what would happen next.

No one could have predicted that we’d need a draft to fill Arlington to the brim.

No one could have predicted that smear campaign against Hillary.

No one could have predicted that she’d win anyway.