Even as we get the rumor (not yet substantiated) that the NYT’s dropping their TimeSelect deal (because we can get get Krugman for free anyway and nobody wants to pay to read Tom Friedman), another bit of interesting news is on the horizon:
Universal Music Group, the world’s biggest music conglomerate, has announced that it will sell tracks from thousands of albums without the customary copy protection software for at least the next few months. The tracks will be available from recording artists’ Web sites and through several established online music retailers, but Universal is excluding Apple Inc.’s iTunes store, the No. 1 online music retailer. Universal claims it is excluding Apple so that it can use the Apple store as a control group for measuring the impact on pricing, piracy and sales, but Michael Gartenberg, an analyst with Jupiter Research, “There’s no doubt these guys are poking a stick at Apple,” adding:
“Clearly the handwriting is on the wall for DRM-protected content. We are seeing more of the players fall as they recognize that it’s just a hassle for the consumer and doesn’t really help the piracy problem.”
Especially as DRM cracking software is nearly as ubiquitous as porn online. (And DRM software is unpopular among many audiophiles for its perceived negative effects on sound quality, so it’s not just the evil music pirates working to strip musical tracks of their shackleware.)
Back during the days of the first Napster, I bought more major-label CDs (and even LPs) than I have at any time before or since. Napster enabled me to get MP3 copies of songs by artists who intrigued me, such as Nirvana and Sarah McLachlan and Luscious Jackson and the Dandy Warhols, so I could try before I bought the higher-fidelity CD versions. (I really hate shelling out $20 for a CD that might have one good song on it, don’t you?) In addition, Napster enabled me to acquire copies of tracks from LPs which, because of their obscurity and nonexistent market potential, will never officially make it to CD.
Nowadays, I don’t download music anymore, not unless it’s from a trusted source. I don’t buy major-label stuff, either. Instead, I buy music direct from the artist, and these days every street busker and bar musician who can play more than three chords on his or her guitar has piles of self-burned, self-marketed CDs sitting in the open axe case next to the pile of quarters, dollar bills and fivers.
The movie and music industries — and in many if not most cases, the major players are the same in both — have been freaking out at the prospect of the internet and the home computer destroying their market share. And so they have, but not in the way the movie/music moguls thought they would.
The moguls were and are scared shitless of us using the internet to pass their stuff around, movies and music, from computer to computer for free. But what we were really doing, much more than passing around their overproduced, overpriced, under-thought-out platinum-plated turds, was ignoring them in favor of other things. In the case of music, it’s meant getting our tunes from the artists themselves; in the case of movies, it’s meant forsaking films in favor of video games, which left movies in the dust profitwise half a decade ago (and which are about to do the same to the music industry) and which often have far more compelling storylines than the typical “blockbuster”.
And the thing is that they did this to themselves. If they’d been kinder to their musical artists — instead of screwing them over (the travails of the late Danny Gatton are particularly instructive) — they might not be as badly off as they are today, and the musicians might not all be deciding, in growing numbers, to go it alone rather than submit to major-label serfdom. But nooooo. It’s nice that they’re lowering the drawbridge, but they’re about seven years too late.
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zip!
adeedooda
Somehow, the thrill isn’t as great when the gap is larger ;-)
Long live vinyl.
That’s right Phoenix Woman! You get more with sugar than you do with salt. The greedy mean music companies screwed themselves over.
I still love the Pepsi commercial (I think it was that) that had a teenage girl in it telling the viewers her lawsuit against her by the music industry is now settled and she’s free to download as much music as she wants (double-jeapordy kicked in). Celebrating with a soda… LOL
It’s my song, I bought it. I should be able to put it on my cell phone.
DOWN WITH DRM!!
This whole DRM issue and such is why I use Linux, mp3’s and in general steer completely clear of the DRM crap. Vista? Supposed to have all this DRM protection loaded and locked in. Just wait ’till peoples’ computers start degrading mysteriously. Oh, wait. OK, more mysteriously than is the norm for even Windoze…
Vista…
(snicker)
Hi, Pw.
Turn off your TV.
Buy good vinyl (at thrift stores and flea markets).
Play your vinyl through a tube amplifier.
In the words of the 1960s, turn on (I don’t advocate that), tune in, and drop out.
peanutbutter @ 7
Could you explain to the technologically challenged what DRM is?
TRex @ 8
Or as I prefer to call it – Windows fucking Vista.
Fern @ 10
DRM = digital rights management
TRex @ 8
Trex
Buy an intel Mac.
You’ll have an elegant computer.
You can can run Windows native (via Parallels software).
And have all the advantages of Mac.
This is the encrypted stuff they put in so you can’t re-record it, yes?
How do we get Krugman for free? >.>
“Could you explain to the technologically challenged what DRM is?”
deus rex machina…
anti-copying software deployed by greedy toilet lickers that is intended to prevent music fans from copying, sharing and using music as it was intended by the artists, to be widely heard. the sales pitch being that they are protecting the artists from having us lowly snot gobblers (music fans) from stealing from the poor, frightened artists. because it is the sole job and sacred right of the music industry to steal from the artists.
gotta give a shout out to downhillbattle: ” a non-profit organization working to support participatory culture and build a fairer music industry”
DRM used to be called “copy protection”. Same gig, friendlier name.
I stopped buying any music from RIAA labels about 10 years ago over their mistreatment of artists and customers. Like PW, I buy direct from artists.
An interesting thing happened: I buy more music now than ever, and have discovered more new and exciting music — often in genres that I never would have been exposed to before — now that I’ve freed myself from the tyranny of the record labels. So, in a perverse way, I should thank RIAA labels for introducing me to a wider and more wondrous musical world. Thank you, RIAA! But I’m still not giving you or your labels another dime.
DRM stands for Digital Rights Management.
Try this for a quickie demo of what’s wrong with it.
For a more detailed explanation, try
Why DRM is currently a bad thing
Jonathan @ 13
I am snickering about Vista because I have been a Mac user since the beginning.
pretty shaved ape @ 16
That works, too…
I have to confess that DRM doesn’t really bother me that much. When I’m trying to track down a song, I usually start on iTunes, and if I can’t find it there, I go to Google. I’m happy to pay for the music. The only time I download it illegally is when it’s too much of a pain in the ass to get a hold of.
pretty shaved ape @ 16
Okay – that was clear!
RIAA is a class unto itself. In its quest to completely control and dominate the music industry, it’s promoted DRM, fought against every advance in technology since, oh about when vinyl records came out, and screws the artists over completely.
They need to be staked thru the heart, decapitated, exposed to the sun, and then burned in a giant bonfire.
All this and I don’t even listen to music! Heh…
pretty shaved ape @ 16
I think we have a potential headliner in this one.
LOL!
Great snark.
dear God,
I wish I could convince everyone here to listen to vinyl.
I really, really, really love watching the music cartel crater. My favorite music is the early 90s stuff that uses a lot of sampling to build its sound. The cartel put a stop to that with heavy-handed copyright cases against artists which pretty much put a stop to all sampling in commercial music. After the original Napster went down I pretty much quit acquiring music (purchase or otherwise). I refuse to support these reprehensible people and their reprehensible business practices.
Watching their empire melt around them is delicious. Knowing they could have kept pretty much all of it if only they weren’t such evil, closed-minded manipulative control freaks is pure frosting.
Is there any other industry group that goes out of their way to inspire disgust, vitriol and hatred from their customer base as the RIAA? At least, any such group whose industry is NOT in full-scale collapse?
Bright Creature @ 15
http://mgpaquin.wordpress.com/…..krugman-5/
Jonathan @ 26
I have quite a large vinyl collection, myself (yeah, I’m an oldie, relatively speaking.) But I actually prefer my music in digital form so much that I digitized it all. It’s all in the ear of the beholder. :)
damn – no KO again – well i suppose he does need a break :(
Jonathan @ 26
I held on to my vinyl for a very, very long time, but finally last year, I had to give it up. It was taking up too much space and it was all 80’s music anyway.
Who really needs a pile of Soft Cell extended singles anyhow?
Jonathan @ 26
Yep, on a classic Thorens/SME, through McIntosh. We lost something there.
I’m listening to Ahmad Jamal at the Pershing
On vinyl. Circa 1960.
You can’t beat this.
But I agree. It’s all a matter of what one hears.
“I think we have a potential headliner in this one.”
y’all make me blush…as a music bum, i’ve watched the industry bone so many of my friends. it’s pretty galling to see talent reduced to servitude trying to pay off recording deals at 7 cents a unit. my long awaited and wholly unanticipated next recording will be finished in the next month or two. if people aren’t copying and sharing it, then i did something wrong. music is social art. if i sell ten copies and ten people hear it, am i better off than if i sell ten copies and a thousand people hear it? i think not. the real pirates in the music industry are the ones in the shiny burton cummings tour jackets, suing children and students.
I never got this, because technology allows people to share music files it makes it ok to do it?
Scarecrow @ 32
I always enjoyed looking at the Mac tube gear..glowing tubes in the dark. I still have my 275 amp..haven’t used it in years.
“Holy Incrementalism, Batman” Kagro X really dissembles Leahy’s weak response!
http://thenexthurrah.typepad.c……html#more
RIAA Faces First Class Action Lawsuit
Millineryman @ 35
I don’t think anyone here has taken that position. It’s a fringe one, really. Although RIAA doesn’t help matters when they call it “theft” — it’s not, either legally or ethically. For there to be theft, someone has to have been deprived of the use of their property. Copies don’t have that effect (excluding commercial piracy, anyhow.) What it really is is copyright violation, and that’s what they should call it. (Note, this isn’t an argument that copyright violation is right, but only that by mislabelling it, RIAA makes it easier for people to disregard the law.)
This is a great summary of the situation.
Record companies sit on their archives because getting a temp to pull the tape from the warehouse is too expensive.
Millineryman @ 35
AFAIK- You have the right to put your purchased content on any device you want, drm prevents that.
Frank Probst @ 22
@Frank I did some reading after seeing this post on FDL and I gotta say that you might want to dig up more on DRM. It’s seriously crazy stuff. Apparently, you don’t just pay once with DRM.
If you like paying over and over again I guess I have nothing more to say.
@t Me3 thanks for the heads up!
Steve-AR @ 36
Geez — that really is a classic. Always thought the Mac/tubes produced a “warm” sound unmatched by anything else.
Jonathan @ 33
Vinyl rules! Album Art and inserts were awesome, I only regret having smoked the Bamboo Paper outta one particular album…!!! ;-)
hi phoenix woman…….haven’t read comments yet……..but wanted to comment……
when prince released his new cd, he included copies of it in the sunday paper in england…..2 million copies……..and gave free copies on the web for a certain amount of time……..
Scarecrow @ 43
You can buy a reconditioned Sherwood tube amp on Ebay for $350 – $400.
Not a Macintosh. But really, really good.
Jonathan @ 9
Boy are we in agreement here. I listen to mostly vinyl, even old beat up ones; and do so through two ancient Marantz monoblock tube amps handmade in New York. I also have an Adcom system that is pretty freaking good, but not quite like the old stuff. Diito on the Mac. Exclusively Intel MacBooks here in my house.
Studios may be moving towards adding “watermarks” to audio and video files. If a song or movie is found on the internet being widely shared, the watermark can be used to identify who purchased that copy.
So DRM is gone. What still hasn’t been answered are:
(1) What bitrate will these be made available? If it is anything below 320 KB CBR, then it’s not worth it.
(2) Methinks that UMG has run across, and will deploy, a watermarking system in the songs they sell that can lead back to the purchaser, and that the watermarking will survive many methods of attempting to remove the watermark.
Millineryman @ 35
i think a very stong argument can be made for the importance of file sharing. it represents a positive grass roots means for emerging artists to find an audience. given the notoriously dishonest accounting practices of the music industry, it strikes me as unlikely that artists are suffering by fans copying or sharing their music. the up and coming artists want to attract new fans by anyy means necessary. if the fans are sharing the songs and spreading the word, it is one hell of a lot less expensive and far more effective than a full page in a magazine. as for established artists, if all copying were wiped out, would shania twain get a bigger castle?
Jonathan @ 26
I have LOTS of vinyl.
KayInMaine @ 5
peanutbutter @ 7
Vista Case Study:
I purchased and downloaded a bunch of windows media files for a friend to make him a dvd. The content had absolutely no value to me. I spent hours stripping drm to make it possible. I go to burn the stuff later and windows update had effectively re-drmed them. It really violates the whole concept of windows update.
I have 5,000 songs in my iTunes library and another 5-600 vinyl albums. It’s like mac and pc, I use them both and don’t see all that much difference. Of course I’m old and deaf and the Who and Blue Cheer pretty much sound the same via any media
Lindy @ 51
You’re certainly Lucky Lindy!!! 8-)
It’s great that Universal is following EMI by dumping DRM, but it’s clear Universal is trying to use their stranglehold on artists to destroy Apple’s iTunes Store. Their excuse for selling non-defective music through everyone on the planet except Apple is a crock. They clearly hate the free market and don’t want Apple (or anyone else) to have any say in what RIAA does. Same cabal, just trying to find a way to hang onto their power in a shifting landscape.
And here’s an oldie but goodie in the DRM fight, harkening back to the ancient Napster days (five years ago?). Chumbawamba’s Pass It Along [MP3 Mix], with I believe Lars Ulrich from Metallica making an ass of himself.
There’s also a Defective By Design campaign to end DRM.
Rob Zuber @ 48
Speaking of, did you see this article in the Times about tracking Herb
through isotopes?
Once upon a time, the technology to record music with decent fidelity took a huge investment (a good microphone was nearly $1000 in 1950 dollars). Pressing vinyl was tricky and expensive. Mixing and mastering of analog in a noisy format (vinyl) was a fine art. In other words, the recording industry had a good reason to want a lot of the money an artist generated.
Nowdays, most high school kids can scrape up the necessary investment to get their music / sound / noise out to the entire planet. But the music industry is run by the grandsons and great grandsons of the original pioneers. They’re used to getting their money for free, and since they’re rich enough to buy politicians, changing things back to sanity won’t be easy.
I’m mostly into jazz. No jazz artist can afford to put out a record with only one or two good songs. And I’ve never seen jazz protected by DRM. So I still buy CDs, which I rip to ogg (much better fidelity than mp3).
And yes, Jonathan, I still have vinyl, and I know why you (and Neil Young) still like it. But there’s nothing like dumping 5 albums into the playlist, hitting shuffle and lettin’ er rip. No worries about pop, scratches, dust, or children’s fingerprints. And the recording, mixing and mastering are very different, so you can’t compare the vinyl and CD of the same performance. It was recorded for one or the other.
This can’t be constitutional – blocking protesters:
http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/8/21/17717/6542
I’m about to play a record.
Lightning Hopkins. Original.
Cost me about $400 on Ebay.
Guarantee you’ll never hear anything like this unless you turn to original vinyl.
Almost all music is mastered digitally nowadays, so the arguments for vinyl being superior are pretty much moot. And every time you play a vinyl record you literally shave off the fidelity, unless you’re got a laser turntable. But then you’re back into digital encoding, so there you go.
But hey, if it floats your boat…
As a child I remember sticking an entire sheet of stamps to my sister’s Styx Grand Illusion album. Never liked vinyl.
Jonathan @ 59
Like hearing Hound Dog Moses and the House Rockers at Ruby Gulch!
pretty shaved ape @ 50
When you share files of upcoming artists, the money that would end in the upcoming artist’s pocket never gets there.
If an artist who owns the rights to his/her music, and it is his/her intellectual property, decides that music sharing is what they chose to do with their property so be it.
For someone else to make that decision is wrong, and against the law. I own copyrights, and it’s my decision as the creator and owner on how it should be used.
smapdi @ 61
Or Styx for that matter, they went to my high school but they were much younger.
Millineryman – does that include how it can be sold (like album vs single song) and what it can be played on?
Millineryman @ 63
And the difference between ripping and making a copy of a cassette is. . .?
ohh i have crates of lps and 45s but no turntable to play them on – still looking for a new set lps are great as long as they aren’t scratched
I think it’s important to remember that the goal is to make people so disillusioned and despondent that they don’t care anymore.
Hey, raven.
Thanks.
You have a great life story.
I admire your service in Viet Nam.
raven @ 64
Going to high school with Styx is just weird.
LS @ 58
We’ll see on the constitutionality of it since there’s a current suit wending it’s way through the Courts! However, their tactics are flawless… it’s insane the levels they’ll sink to, to ‘get out the message’!!! 8-(
Millineryman @ 63
It seems intuitive, doesn’t it? But it turns out this is poppycock. Studies have shown that the more people get to hear the music the more sales are made. Since the corporate music distributors have a stranglehold on who gets played on the radio and is stocked in stores, unleashing your music on the internet is actually a better way to connect with an audience than to try and get your pennies from every sale.
By the way, other studies have shown that this piracy-as-marketing phenomenon has helped software like Microsoft Windows as well. Microsoft fights piracy very hard in North America but turns a blind eye to it in China and other Asian countries because they know it helps establish their product as the popular choice.
I went to see Chuck Berry in Decatur, IlL in about 1970. People had paid their admission but Chuck didn’t think he was getting enough so he refused to play till more money was collected. We collected it but I’ll be god damn if he got any of it!
smapdi @ 65
It’s up to the artist to decide. I don’t think you find artists objecting to their music being used across a spectrum of players that now out there. It’s the sharing that I see going on and people trading discs of songs that really bothers me.
The goal of the bankers that is.
Ridiculously true. And I have more money now than in my cash strapped college days too. I really do try to stay away from the major labels. Check out this interview with Trent Reznor for one of many major label artist’s view.
smapdi @ 70
I went to school with Addison Al De Carlo and Dave ” The Hawk” Wolinski of the Bangor Flying Circus! Hawk played keys with the Shadow of Night before that and with Chaka Kahn after.
Jonathan @ 69
Back atcha Jon.
puppethead @ 72
I have no problem with people sampling music. I do have problems with people burning cds of songs and giving them away.
Millineryman – only the very top recording artists get anything from their recordings. They do the recordings to get their name out and make a name on tours, get a bigger audience… and finally try to fight their way into the top tier. Essentially, most musicians have their copyright violated – by the recording industry.
Once upon a time, their were 2 streams. The publishing copyright stream made it’s way to the artist. That’s from the days when much of the country learned the latest hit by playing the sheet music on the piano in the parlor. That one is effectively dead. Artists (except the very top) get effectively nothing from the recorded performance. Copyright in music bears little resemblance to copyright in the printed word or visual arts.
Hey, was that Sharkbabe I saw? Reminds me of the good old days.
This is another example of missed opportunities(tm) worthy of the Bush administration- use a bad idea to solve a problem and make everything worse.
Thanks for your perspective ML.
Everythingseemssoneat @ 68
Are we talking about America or Germany in the 1930’s?
Berlin Diary 1934-1941
raven_66
Not sure what you mean by “ripping” is, but if you make copies for yourself great, you paid for it. Making copies to give away not so good.
GordonM @ 80
Read. “So You Want to Be a Rock and Roll Star” by Semisonic’s drummer. Great look at how artists get screwed and it ain’t by traders.
Millineryman @ 84
Ripping is making copies. Character is what you do when no one is looking, right?
No more Times Select, eh? What do you think the odds are that they’ll refund my subscription money??? Minimal, slim, none?
GordonM @ 80
Q: How do you become a millionaire in the music business?
A: Start out with at least two million dollars.
Happy to say I’ve hung onto my vinyl. Right around 800 albums, all in good shape, covering an extremely wide range of stuff 1960-1990. Still play ‘em.
A musician friend of mine owns over 20,000 albums. It’s a whole room in his house.
Me3-That’s interesting.
smapdi @ 70
Going to Nam, on the other hand . . .
BobbyG @ 88
707!!!
RonD @ 89
I buy vinyl albums.
Do you or your friend have anything to sell?
Peterr @ 91
Seemed like a good idea at the time :)
Sorry for the OT…BUT…where has Murray Waas been?
Peterr @ 91
God Bless, Rev…!!! *g*
Franco @ 95
Topic, ha!
raven at 56 says-”Speaking of, did you see this article in the Times about tracking Herb
through isotopes?”
twice a year, helicopter central…looking for plants…when i lived further out, one even landed in my neighbor’s yard to chat for a spell, ex-marshall…..
i heard that 3/5 people are involved in growing it here……
blew my mind……
is a poor county, mostly rural……lots of forest and hills……
through friends, i knew a lot of people supplemented, (hell with supplemented-they do it to live), their income growing it. but 3/5???????
around here, people went to underground rooms…….they’ll track the isotopes from the dirt back to a distributor………like lowe’s……and they use wells for the water, don’t know if that could be traced or not.
but they already know this is an area for it…….
Here’s what’s happened while we’ve been hoping that good behavior will save us.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl1VIhdpl4c
dmac @ 98
In Georgia they used to have the greatest Marijuana Task Force hats. An herb leaf superimposed over a Huey, best of both worlds!
I mean what happened. I can’t type worth shit.
CTuttle @ 92
Q: What’s the definition of an Optimist?
A: A Musician with a mortgage.
I’m of two minds on the sanctity of intellectual property. I sure hate to see musicians ripped off. But the public isn’t who rips them off mostly, it is their agents and the companies with whom they contract. You can go back to the 19th century to find fairly well-known shady deals. Scott Joplin sold “The Maple Leaf” Rag for $15.00. Sousa sold “Washington Post” March for $25.00. The people who bought them from those two composers built houses in Newport with the profits form just those two pieces of music alone.Or so the stories go. African-American and other minority performing musicians throughout the 20th centruy made themselves a little money and recording companies lots.
I’ve only been able to put some of my music up on my URL above, because either I didn’t get permission from people involved, or there was some contract problem I didn’t want to stumble over. You can download anything off of my URL for free. I don’t feel like I’m being ripped off or selling myself cheap.
Millineryman @ 79
But that’s the funny part. Those kinds of people will always pirate, DRM or no. And they are a miniscule percentage of the marketplace, almost non-existent. Basing your distribution strategy on this “noise” seems ridiculous.
FWIW, going to Nam was different from going to Iraq.
There were places you could go that were safe. Bars, restaurants, massage parlors.
Lots of Vietnamese made money off GIs.
Iraq is completely different.
Ed*ard Teller @ 103
I’d be interested in Howie Klein’s take on all this. We have a couple of bands here in Athens that have done pretty well in this market.
Jonathan @ 93
Um, I’m not really looking to sell any of mine, but my friend may very well…I’ll ask him. I see you on here all the time, so I’ll let you know.
GordonM @ 80
I remember hearing John Fogerty on NPR. Said he was broke after CCR disbanded and he doesn’t get any money from those albums. Totally screwed by agents and record companies.
Jonathan @ 105
There are plenty of Iraqi’s making money off us. Maybe not selling boom boom and happy smoke but still. And I remain uncertain about comparing Iraq with the Nam. Most GI’s didn’t diddy bop to the Caravelle for the weekend and there were a hell of a lot of IED’s and those 122’s would get your attention most rickey tic.
raven @ 106
He told me the other day that he’s completely out of the music business now, but I’ve never come up against him not being knowledgeable about anything. He even knows more about Alaska politics than 99% of Alaskans, and he’s never been here.
Steve-AR @ 108
He ain’t no Fortunate Son, no.
Ed*ard Teller @ 103
Ah, but when agents and the companies do the ripping off, it’s not theft, it’s commerce.
/snark
The stories are legion, especially for African-American artists. I’ve heard more than one story about a blues song with lyrics about a woman who done the singer wrong, but it is code for a record agent.
Where’s all the women in this brawl?
raven @ 109
Raven,
If I had wars, as I experienced Nam, I’d take Nam with all its risks any day over Iraq.
raven @ 113
I’m fem and when my mother moved out of her house she threw all my vinyls away. Didn’t have a clue. All from the 40’s and 50’s – probably worth a fortune today.
Jonathan @ 114
On this day in 1968 52 Americans were killed. But then they do say it was 10, one year wars.
Ed*ard Teller @ 103
I now have some skin in this game, and a dog in this fight. I am now finishing up the CD cover art for the new release of the Vegas band I represent. We will be selling this 2nd CD product for $15. Our unit cost will be around a buck.
Now, if, say, 100,000 or a million people manage to download or otherwise rip/share the tunes, are we hurt? If someone steals some of the physical CD product and re-sells it (either via outright theft, or by counterfeiting), then, yeah. But, if we get our tunes out to a huge audience worldwide digitally with no distribution cost, they’re gonna wanna come and witness the band live (they are in fact awesome).
One thing is certain. The old business model is long-dead.
Peterr @ 112
And not just agents. I love Zeppelin, but IIRC, there’s any number of Zep tunes where they changed a few words of an old blues tune and then called it an original Page/Plant tune…and kept the money.
I think it might be time to snap out of this we’re artists and writers bullshit and get pissed off enough to actually do something.
Everythingseemssoneat @ 119
Like what, get a job?
raven- I think our act is played out.
RonD @ 118
Yep. At least Mick and Keith admitted they were taking from the American bluesmen and always supported them.
raven @ 120
Like writing prose, the computer technology and the internet are allowing a lot more musicians to “self-publish” their work and promote it the way they want. The record industry is still trying to figure out how to deal with that.
Everythingseemssoneat @ 121
I was just playin.
Raven,
1968 was a bad good year.
I knew one person whose name is on the Wall.
I knew others who were afflicted by disease.
I was lucky, really lucky.
I admire the service of you and james.
BobbyG @ 102
Heh, I’m neither, and I’m still Optimistic, cynical, but hopeful for all mankind…!!! 8-)
So while I hate DRM there is a much more serious evil presented by the current copyright law than the pain in the ass represented by DRM protected MP3’s. The more serious issue is it allows media producers to control the media experience as well. It means that they can make it impossible to skip commercials. The can embed software that will report back to them in connected contexts, etc and it is illegal for the consumer to do anything about it. The current copyright laws are really evil.
I had someone rip off my work once, and I was not happy about it. It cost me money to have them stop using it. It was a visual piece, not music.
As far as music goes, I see a lot of it when I go work on client’s sites. The employees there have their music libraries on their computers. I get offers all the time to burn a cd and take it with me.
Thanks for the insight though.
raven @ 116
Raven — I was poking around that VVMF site, and noticed that yesterday they accepted an award in Hanoi:
Talk about swords into plowshares! Thanks for the link.
Peterr @ 123
The kid (in his 30’s) just took off with his 12 member band “Dark Meat” for a six week tour. Now you tell me how 12 people playing joints can even think about making a buck. But Athens is full of people making music.
raven at 100 says-”In Georgia they used to have the greatest Marijuana Task Force hats. An herb leaf superimposed over a Huey, best of both worlds!”
i like that…….funny.
my old neighbor got to participate in ‘destroying’ crops they collected…….he said they were ALL stoned…couldn’t help it….huge bonfires…..
i miss hearing the gossip when the feds were in town from my old neighbor……..
thing is, nothing goes on around here without SOMEBODY knowing, so word was out before they even had a chance to find anything……
i was in the woods one day at my old house, and there were 5 gallon buckets up there, somebody setting up shop……boy was i pissed…..i put up no trespassing signs/you will be shot…….it was the ‘help’ from the cattle farm next door, whom i had given permission to collect herbs…….passed ‘the word’ to the guy……never showed up there again…….
Eli is upstairs
Peterr @ 129
Yea, see the name in the upper left corner? Chuck Searcy, he’s from here and has been living in Nam for years now.
Peterr- That’s a good point but I meant something along the lines of actually presenting a opposition to what’s happening. I don’t they give points for smart comments.
dmac @ 131
Copperhead Road
Drop the price and CDs will sell more copies.
Jonathan @ 114
As a post Nam Vet, how often did they rotate you to the rear, in Nam? Today, they’re ‘patrolling’ 24/7/365, err… 455 days a year…!!!
Jack @ 136
And stop putting 7 bullshit filler songs on them.
Everythingseemssoneat @ 134
Sounds to me like that’s exactly what BobbyG @ 117 is doing — direct opposition to being ripped off and/or controlled by the music industry.
Sounds to me like that’s exactly what others in the thread have said about supporting the musician selling CDs directly out on the street — direct opposition again.
juslin @ 67
YOU NEED A USB TURNTABLE; PLUGS INTO YOUR COMPUTER… CHECK ‘EM OUT…
http://www.cordlessworkz.com/i…..YQodQCpPew
Again, it all depended. Main line grunt outfits stayed in the bush for weeks or months (if you were a jar head) at a time. 80% of the people in country were in support roles, just like Iraq. My friend is home on leave from 1/9 Infantry and he is bored to tears. There are virtually no troops sleeping outside the wire. They call REMF’s FOBBIE’s becuase the live on FORWARD OBSERVATION BASES. I am not making some big “I had it so bad comment here”/ It sucked when the WWII guys did that to us but I also think it’s reasonable to have a realistic view of what’s going on.
Jack @ 140
Mrs Peterr has a largish stack of vinyl, but the turntable has been unusable for quite a while. There’s a birthday coming later, though, and this might just be what the Birthday Fairy will leave for her. Thanks!
(Any chance the included software can clean up hisses and pops from minor scratches?)
Peterr @ 142
Most recording software, like from Roxio has that function. If you have a mac go for Toast Titanium and Spin Doctor.
raven
Copperhead Road
(Steve Earle)
Well my name’s John Lee Pettimore
Same as my daddy and his daddy before
You hardly ever saw Grandaddy down here
He only came to town about twice a year
He’d buy a hundred pounds of yeast and some copper line
Everybody knew that he made moonshine
Now the revenue man wanted Grandaddy bad
He headed up the holler with everything he had
It’s before my time but I’ve been told
He never came back from Copperhead Road
Now Daddy ran the whiskey in a big block Dodge
Bought it at an auction at the Mason’s Lodge
Johnson County Sheriff painted on the side
Just shot a coat of primer then he looked inside
Well him and my uncle tore that engine down
I still remember that rumblin’ sound
Well the sheriff came around in the middle of the night
Heard mama cryin’, knew something wasn’t right
He was headed down to Knoxville with the weekly load
You could smell the whiskey burnin’ down Copperhead Road
I volunteered for the Army on my birthday
They draft the white trash first,’round here anyway
I done two tours of duty in Vietnam
And I came home with a brand new plan
I take the seed from Colombia and Mexico
I plant it up the holler down Copperhead Road
Well the D.E.A.’s got a chopper in the air
I wake up screaming like I’m back over there
I learned a thing or two from ol’ Charlie don’t you know
You better stay away from Copperhead Road
Copperhead Road
Copperhead Road
Copperhead Road
dmac @ 144
I went in on my 17th birthday!
Peterr @ 142
Peterr – I tried one of the ion tables, I think the one on the left, over at a friend’s house. It was ok, but not great. And the software with it kind of sucked. I think you are still better to get a good regular turntable.
raven @ 145
Want to see my video of my “primered” truck?
peterr-
finifinitoobz listed a few usb turntables one night, i tried to find my notes on it but can’t find it anywhere……..were a couple different price ranges…….
dmac @ 148
Get a mac, then you just need to run an output cable from the amp to the line in and let her rip.
raven @ 149
I agree, and you will be able to use a lot better turntable this way. Macs are by far the easiest, but you can do it on a PC too if you must (hehheh).
Millineryman @ 128:
Just because you let ‘em give you a ripped CD doesn’t mean you can’t go on to buy the commercial CDs of those same artists, at least of the ones you like. No harm, no foul.
— Hmmm.
raven at 147 says-”Want to see my video of my “primered” truck?”
sorry, went off for a while looking for that turntable finifini was talking about a while back for peterr and then had to do something else…….
ayeah, i do wanna see it, but i’m on dialup………ha ha funny, yeah i know…….put it on it’s own window, so, am downloading it now……most times i don;’t do the youtubes…….but the other night, trex’s kitty ones were hilarious…….the one called dog and cat was really funny……..took me forever to get them…..
just saw the beginning……..DREAM TRUCK!!!!!!!!!!
a refresher:
Jobs doesn’t like DRM either- the music biz forced it upon Apple when Steve was negotiating for iTunes music store. He has called for removal of copy protection.
As soon as he voiced this opinion, Universal tried to squeeze more percentage from iTunes, & Steve refused. So Universal is trying to take its marbles elsewhere, so the company (not the artist) can get more money. Universal is trying to see if they can get more sales outside of iTunes, and DRM is just a cover.
Jonathan @ 13
And you’d want to run Windows WHY?
msmolly @ 154
LMAO….exactly.
azureblue @ 153
And yet, I worked with an Apple VP for a while and he continually insisted that iTunes didn’t use any DRM. He wasn’t ignorant or stupid. He was lying or deluded. It blew my mind.
What I find particularly funny about DRM is that the music industry could have learned all about it from the software industry (which I’ve been a part of for about 25 years now).
Back in the day, copy protection of software was rampant. Exactly the same rationales were used, with exactly the same results, as now in the music and movie businesses. Now, however, copy protection is not used in a majority of software products. You know why?
1) Copy protection pisses off legitimate customers, costing you sales.
2) Copy protection does not stop actual thieves (people selling copies).
3) Copy protection stops friends and neighbors from sharing. Yes, sharing is a good thing for software! It’s advertising. Most people who get pirated software end up purchasing it in the long run (usually when a new version is released). Those that don’t “go legit” are the ones who would never have purchased your product in the first place, so they don’t represent lost sales.
When someone buys an illegal copy, though, that is theft of a sale from the content producer.
But really, as others have pointed out, all this piracy kerfluffle is not about lost sales. It’s about attempting to regain/retain a monopoly on the means of distribution. If record labels lost that, then they’re out of business — after all, that’s literally the only “value” they add: access to markets.
Umm.. stupid question. Doesn’t making TimeSelect free mean we’ll also all be exposed to the wrath of MoDo again?
raven-really liked it!!!!!! was very cool.
seepeesate: Is this a reference to Seat Bee Sate? 1st Negativland album?
Hmmm.
Add Wallymart to the world of DRM downloads.
We also have blogs, podcasts and Paypal…
Jonathan @ 26
Analogue forever!
1) Go to a genuine audiophile store.
2) Compare an original British pressing of most any Pink Floyd album (especially Dark Side of the Moon to all but the very best HDCD editions.
3) Be amazed at just how much the original Brit LP blows the mass-market CD away.
Scarecrow @ 32
Or a Rega Planar 3, with Magnepans and the amps of your choice.
(Now that we’ve outed ourselves, shall we do the Secret Audiophile Handshake?)
Phoenix Woman writes “Nowadays, I don’t download music anymore, not unless it’s from a trusted source. I don’t buy major-label stuff, either. Instead, I buy music direct from the artist, and these days every street busker and bar musician who can play more than three chords on his or her guitar has piles of self-burned, self-marketed CDs sitting in the open axe case next to the pile of quarters, dollar bills and fivers.”
Well said. This is how I have been doing it for years. No matter how much I earn. I can not stand paying retail to the mega label. I have even given mid tier acts (though top notch) like fishbone, tips on stage. Even though they are not busking, they gladly took the money.
As a music artist myself, I saw the biz put a lot of noise in the heads of many fine artists. This rendered them less likely to take an interest in the business side of their art. The business created a small place for which the artist to dwell.
It is fantastic to see the self production evolution.
Maybe this is the redistribution of wealth people seem to be so keen on.
Sad for the music boutiques that were making huge bucks on small projects, watching these projects become more scarce to nepotism , the cousin with the casio can now score the commercial, or when they do get a prime gig, the pay scale is way down due to a saturation of people who have home project studios.
Still it is fantastic for all of those who wanted to get into the studio but did not know the right people or did not know how to act around the right people.
With respect and kindness to all.
Urgh. All this fuss about copying. The publishing industry threw a hissy fit about xerox and libraries. The simple truth of it, is that any kind of information sharing is beneficial. If it weren’t for the toobz, I never would have been introduced to Turkish saz music (Turkish radyo). And become a fan, and found blogs covering the music and found purveyors of the music at Amazon.com, because I just “had to” have that album. I am sure I am not unique in finding territory hitherto personally unexplored. Music industry has been doing “push” marketing for so long, it’s completely offensive the stuff they pawn off as music, um . . . like Britney spears.
hug the moon @ 165
Fishbone rocks. (Thought I’d put in a word for them.)
It’s funny how NYT likes to package Dowd and Friedman in with Krugman. That’s push marketing as well as far as I’m concerned.
Turkish Saz. Musa Eroglu