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		<title>By: bob h</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/20/tell-us-oh-wise-one/#comment-909672</link>
		<dc:creator>bob h</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Keep your chins up, Karl.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/20/tell-us-oh-wise-one/#comment-909480</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 06:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-908422&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Frank Probst @ 157&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ho hum.  In other news, it looks like they were worried in advance that the bridge was going to collapse.  I’m wondering if I’ve lost my ability to be appalled.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hell, admit it … they KNEW it was going to fall and were only calculating whether it was worth it to spend money to save lives.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’ll bet they calculated how much campaign finance money they would get by keeping the taxes low.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-908422"><em>Frank Probst @ 157</em></a></p>
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<p>Ho hum.  In other news, it looks like they were worried in advance that the bridge was going to collapse.  I’m wondering if I’ve lost my ability to be appalled.</p>
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<p>Hell, admit it … they KNEW it was going to fall and were only calculating whether it was worth it to spend money to save lives.</p>
<p>I’ll bet they calculated how much campaign finance money they would get by keeping the taxes low.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/20/tell-us-oh-wise-one/#comment-909466</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 05:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-908347&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Joe Klein’s conscience @ 84&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-908341&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;jim oconnor @ 80&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Snarkassandra @ 37: I think they were afraid of losing. They bought into an idea that they couldn’t win with a campaign based on traditional Democratic principles. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think the roots of this go back to Reagan and the defeats the Dems suffered after Carter. Clinton won two elections as a Republican-lite candidate and the Dem establishment adopted the strategy that in order for Dems to win they couldn’t be real Dems.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But didn’t Carter lose because the economy was in the crapper, and because he couldn’t resolve the Iranian hostage crisis?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Carter lost for a variety of reasons: bad Republican press, October surprise where Republicans negotiated illegally with Iranians to hold the hostages and very high oil/gasoline prices making the economy horrible courtesy of Bush Saudis.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Nice people those Machiavellian Republicans, eh?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-908347"><em>Joe Klein’s conscience @ 84</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-908341"><em>jim oconnor @ 80</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Snarkassandra @ 37: I think they were afraid of losing. They bought into an idea that they couldn’t win with a campaign based on traditional Democratic principles. </p>
<p>I think the roots of this go back to Reagan and the defeats the Dems suffered after Carter. Clinton won two elections as a Republican-lite candidate and the Dem establishment adopted the strategy that in order for Dems to win they couldn’t be real Dems.</p>
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<p>But didn’t Carter lose because the economy was in the crapper, and because he couldn’t resolve the Iranian hostage crisis?</p>
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<p>Carter lost for a variety of reasons: bad Republican press, October surprise where Republicans negotiated illegally with Iranians to hold the hostages and very high oil/gasoline prices making the economy horrible courtesy of Bush Saudis.</p>
<p>Nice people those Machiavellian Republicans, eh?</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/20/tell-us-oh-wise-one/#comment-909458</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 05:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-908310&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;peanutbutter @ 52&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Hmph.  Everyone on the right coast must be clocking out and on the road or sompin’…&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-908276&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;LS @ 22&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;California and electronic voting - that is what I am most worried about.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Two words: Debra Bowen…&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Very interesting news on bradblog.com today about ES&amp;S machines and how a person’s vote was time-stamped, so they could match it up with the list of votes and know precisely how every single person voted.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;E-voting bites the dust!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-908310"><em>peanutbutter @ 52</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Hmph.  Everyone on the right coast must be clocking out and on the road or sompin’…<a href="#comment-908276"><em>LS @ 22</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>California and electronic voting &#8211; that is what I am most worried about.</p>
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<p>Two words: Debra Bowen…</p>
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<p>Very interesting news on bradblog.com today about ES&amp;S machines and how a person’s vote was time-stamped, so they could match it up with the list of votes and know precisely how every single person voted.</p>
<p>E-voting bites the dust!</p>
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		<title>By: Mabel&#8217;s Wig Shack</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/20/tell-us-oh-wise-one/#comment-909172</link>
		<dc:creator>Mabel&#8217;s Wig Shack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 03:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Karl Rove said that if the Democrats spoke about the war it would be political suicide in ‘06, and the chattering class could not stop repeating that. If Karl Rove says that Hillary Clinton is bad for the Democrats, I think it’s pretty safe to assume she’d massacre any Republican opponent she might run against.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Or conversely,she’s exactly who he would like to run against….&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Karl Rove said that if the Democrats spoke about the war it would be political suicide in ‘06, and the chattering class could not stop repeating that. If Karl Rove says that Hillary Clinton is bad for the Democrats, I think it’s pretty safe to assume she’d massacre any Republican opponent she might run against.</em></p>
<p>Or conversely,she’s exactly who he would like to run against….</p>
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		<title>By: Tanbark</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/20/tell-us-oh-wise-one/#comment-908982</link>
		<dc:creator>Tanbark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 02:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jane, the notion that Hillary Clinton could “massacre” ANY republical opponent, is the purest nonsense.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If the democrats are stupid enough to actually nominate her, she could turn any one of them into a solid contender.   &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Any one.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;McCain&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Giuliani&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thompson&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Romney.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Let’s do this: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Find some EMPIRICAL polling data that will show how Hillary runs against republicans AND  the independents and democratic conservatives that will be needed for a democratic massacre.   The Idea that the independents and the conservative dems who helped put george bush within a supreme court decision of the presidency, and then re-elected him, will help her “massacre” any republican, is just…appallingly wrong.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane, the notion that Hillary Clinton could “massacre” ANY republical opponent, is the purest nonsense.</p>
<p>If the democrats are stupid enough to actually nominate her, she could turn any one of them into a solid contender.   </p>
<p>Any one.</p>
<p>McCain</p>
<p>Giuliani</p>
<p>Thompson</p>
<p>Romney.  </p>
<p>Let’s do this: </p>
<p>Find some EMPIRICAL polling data that will show how Hillary runs against republicans AND  the independents and democratic conservatives that will be needed for a democratic massacre.   The Idea that the independents and the conservative dems who helped put george bush within a supreme court decision of the presidency, and then re-elected him, will help her “massacre” any republican, is just…appallingly wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: The Oracle</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/20/tell-us-oh-wise-one/#comment-908920</link>
		<dc:creator>The Oracle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 02:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Actually, Rove was probably right to feel optimistic.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Not only did Rove have Republican “dirty tricks” squads “roving” around to help Republicans get elected or reelected, but he is bound to have been taking into account the Democratic races involving contests between progressive, liberal Democrats and more conservative, DLC-backed Democrats.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thus, Joe Lieberman lost the Connecticut Democratic primary, and probably on the advice of his good pal Rove, decided to run as an independent, with promises from Rove, that Connecticut Republicans (and conservative Connecticut Democrats) would back his independent run.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Odds are that this occurred in other cases, with Rove offering his help to the DLC and any conservative Democrats the DLC was trying to place in office.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Too bad the White House is blocking attempts to get at Karl Rove’s RNC e-mails, otherwise we’d know the extent of his contacts with DLC Democrats as well as learning about what else his little criminal mind was up to.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But don’t forget, Rove likes to play all the angles…including helping “sympathetic” Democrats get elected.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Rove was probably right to feel optimistic.</p>
<p>Not only did Rove have Republican “dirty tricks” squads “roving” around to help Republicans get elected or reelected, but he is bound to have been taking into account the Democratic races involving contests between progressive, liberal Democrats and more conservative, DLC-backed Democrats.</p>
<p>Thus, Joe Lieberman lost the Connecticut Democratic primary, and probably on the advice of his good pal Rove, decided to run as an independent, with promises from Rove, that Connecticut Republicans (and conservative Connecticut Democrats) would back his independent run.</p>
<p>Odds are that this occurred in other cases, with Rove offering his help to the DLC and any conservative Democrats the DLC was trying to place in office.</p>
<p>Too bad the White House is blocking attempts to get at Karl Rove’s RNC e-mails, otherwise we’d know the extent of his contacts with DLC Democrats as well as learning about what else his little criminal mind was up to.</p>
<p>But don’t forget, Rove likes to play all the angles…including helping “sympathetic” Democrats get elected.</p>
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		<title>By: Nemo</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/20/tell-us-oh-wise-one/#comment-908874</link>
		<dc:creator>Nemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 01:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-908328&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Elliott @ 68&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-908315&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Oklahoma kiddo @ 56&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Here’s something to ponder.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Women really do prefer pink, study finds&lt;br /&gt;
Finding is among the first to show gender-based color preferences&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hah!  I am female and hate hate hate pink!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;LONDON - Boys like blue, girls like pink and there isn’t much anybody can do about it, researchers said on Monday in one of the first studies to show scientifically that there are gender-based color preferences.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Researchers said these differences may have a basis in evolution in which females developed a preference for reddish colors associated with riper fruit and healthier faces.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20361263/&quot;&gt;http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20361263/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hey thanks OKK,&lt;br /&gt;
I’m fascinated by this stuff.  And I like pink and I don’t care who knows it.  Blue has never been my favorite color.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-908328"><em>Elliott @ 68</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-908315"><em>Oklahoma kiddo @ 56</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Here’s something to ponder.</p>
<p>Women really do prefer pink, study finds<br />
Finding is among the first to show gender-based color preferences</p>
<p>Hah!  I am female and hate hate hate pink!</p>
<p>LONDON &#8211; Boys like blue, girls like pink and there isn’t much anybody can do about it, researchers said on Monday in one of the first studies to show scientifically that there are gender-based color preferences.</p>
<p>Researchers said these differences may have a basis in evolution in which females developed a preference for reddish colors associated with riper fruit and healthier faces.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20361263/">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20361263/</a></p>
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<p>Hey thanks OKK,<br />
I’m fascinated by this stuff.  And I like pink and I don’t care who knows it.  Blue has never been my favorite color.</p>
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		<title>By: raven</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/20/tell-us-oh-wise-one/#comment-908726</link>
		<dc:creator>raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 23:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-908685&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Spiritcatcher @ 222&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;let’s do the “math”. ^^&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;a) assume most republican voters are kinda stupid.&lt;br /&gt;
b) assume Hillary will be the democratic candidate.&lt;br /&gt;
c) assume that issue-wise Hillary doesn’t differ too much from most republican talking points.&lt;br /&gt;
d) assume that about half of republican voters are women.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;ooopsie.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;e) assume that Hillary will change Big Oil for Big Pharma, will totally make use of the amassed executive power, and will invade Iran.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Maybe not invade, just bomb the shit out of them. She’ll have to prove she’s as tough as Bush but she won’t need to prove she’s as stupid.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-908685"><em>Spiritcatcher @ 222</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>let’s do the “math”. ^^</p>
<p>a) assume most republican voters are kinda stupid.<br />
b) assume Hillary will be the democratic candidate.<br />
c) assume that issue-wise Hillary doesn’t differ too much from most republican talking points.<br />
d) assume that about half of republican voters are women.</p>
<p>ooopsie.</p>
<p>e) assume that Hillary will change Big Oil for Big Pharma, will totally make use of the amassed executive power, and will invade Iran.</p>
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<p>Maybe not invade, just bomb the shit out of them. She’ll have to prove she’s as tough as Bush but she won’t need to prove she’s as stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: Spiritcatcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spiritcatcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 23:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;let’s do the “math”. ^^&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;a) assume most republican voters are kinda stupid.&lt;br /&gt;
b) assume Hillary will be the democratic candidate.&lt;br /&gt;
c) assume that issue-wise Hillary doesn’t differ too much from most republican talking points.&lt;br /&gt;
d) assume that about half of republican voters are women.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;ooopsie.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;e) assume that Hillary will change Big Oil for Big Pharma, will totally make use of the amassed executive power, and will invade Iran.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>let’s do the “math”. ^^</p>
<p>a) assume most republican voters are kinda stupid.<br />
b) assume Hillary will be the democratic candidate.<br />
c) assume that issue-wise Hillary doesn’t differ too much from most republican talking points.<br />
d) assume that about half of republican voters are women.</p>
<p>ooopsie.</p>
<p>e) assume that Hillary will change Big Oil for Big Pharma, will totally make use of the amassed executive power, and will invade Iran.</p>
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