Over at Open Left they’re going after the “Bush Dogs,” Democratic House members who have voted el-wrongo on both the war and on FISA (and how disappointed was I to see Ciro Rodriguez, a guy we’d raised a substantial amount of money for, on that list).
Considering how successful progressive primary challenges have been in pushing Ellen Tauscher, Al Wynn and Jane Harmon into less knee-jerk reactionary positions, they’re asking people who have representatives on the list to help them get up to speed regarding what’s going on in that district.
Stoller (via email):
By and large, the conservative Democratic elites really don’t care, and they think they are going to win in 2008 without having to lead on anything the public or the activists in the party thinks is important. Maybe that is true, or maybe it isn’t. But I’m sure tired of conservative Democratic politicians thinking that their goal in life is to get better parking spots than they did last cycle.
A few of us at OpenLeft have been working on a campaign to identify the group of conservative Democrats in the House who are holding back progressives from being able to effectively govern. These are concentrated in two main caucuses, the Blue Dog Caucus and the New Democrat caucuses. Blue Dogs consider themselves heirs to the Southern conservative wing of the party, and tend to vote for socially restrictive policies and a neoconservative foreign policy. The New Democrats tend to be more partisan, but often are key to passing important pieces of right-wing legislation, such as the Bankruptcy Bill. In the last few years, these two caucuses have expanded their numbers, and the Blue Dogs have become the swing vote in the House allowing for effective conservative control of the Congress. We want to put a stop to the embrace of conservative values among House Democrats, and make sure that when Democrats are elected, they act like Democrats.
As Chris Bowers, notes, the two biggest defeats for House Democrats so far in 2007 have been the capitulation vote on Iraq, and the vote to allow Alberto Gonzales warrant-less wiretapping powers. We’re calling the Democrats who capitulated on both bills ‘Bush Dogs’, as these are the most likely to capitulate on important fights in the future.The first step in stopping this behavior is to identify the people engaging in it and offer up criticism. There are a few reasons for this. One, many of these members feel no pressure to vote correctly or uphold progressive values. Criticism is the signal they are relying on to let them know when they err. Two, some of these members may need to face a primary challenge, and it’s useful for potential primary challengers to know that there is criticism of these members.
In each election cycle we need to be able to isolate the Bush Dogs who are vulnerable and take on one or two until they start to toe the line. Please stop by OpenLeft and help ‘em out if you can.
Me, I’m gonna give Ciro a call. I don’t like this and I think it would be good for him to stop by and explain these particular votes to the people online who supported his campaign.



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And yes, go after them one by one and eliminate them! Even if it seems pointless (one blue in a sea of red), all we need to do is slowly ratchet it up. No Repub should run opposed anywhere!
2?
{{JANE}}
Congrats, pb!
Still not quick enough! Drat!
mc @ 4
Heh. Y’all are slower during the day! The Late Nite is the true no-holds barred bareknuckles scramble…
checked the blue dogs list and still in single digits?
Skunk-ass Barrow on the list!
oops, meant bush dogs…sorry blue dogs.
An interesting one local to me (tho not my district): Ron Shepston
Drive-by. Single digits?
Damn!
OT but I just heard that Leahy has once again “threatened” contempt charges. Leahy has become a carricature. Some say that history makes the man or that the man makes history. In Leahy’s case neither seems to be true. It’s time we realize that the Congress does not represent the American people but rather the self interests of those in Congress. Each day becomes more and more pathetic.
retirin’ in five @ 11
next time you should fly-by
I find this post pleasing. ;0)
I see Howie has identified my Rep for this list.
Apparently he has been flying under my radar and I had not been paying attention.
Rep Brian Baird is going to get a little sunlight coming his way.
This guy is almost literally in my back yard.
I am so ashamed I hadn’t been paying closer attention.
Here is Howie’s piece;
http://downwithtyranny.blogspo…..-real.html
Bluetoe @ 13
well whatever it was today, it was insipid
Elliott @ 17
where’s the beef?
If I were put in charge, I’d direct
– that money be thrown against vulnerable repubs
– and that a bunch of money be thrown, in
primaries, against blue dog and so-called
new democrats.
Bush’s gelding voiced minority vote intimidator, Brad “The Schloz” Schlozman is leaving the DOJ, in the event that hasn’t been reported.
-GSD
There are two groups within the Democratic Party which I absolutely detest. One of these groups are the “Blue Dogs”.
Last thread pink, this one blue…
GSD @ 20
Alvin?
Suggestion – we use our language instead of capitulating to Repugs and ConsDems as Conservative and call them Right Wing Democrats. I’m conservative. I conserve on gas, energy (don’t have the air-conditioning on and it’s in the high 90s), live on a modest income, support green, contribute to my community to mention a few conservative things I do. If I supported this d*** war I wouldn’t be conservative.
So, we are talking about Right Wing Democrats. And, shame on them.
i gave money to Ciro.
Boo.
and Boo Hoo!!
Vic Snyder AR.. when asked about his votes for continued occupation simply said we promised to give the surge a chance.
Vic has a pretty good voting record over all, but these two votes have left quite a few constituents shaking their heads.
I know I supported Ciro through FDL’s Blue America Page. I would certainly be interested in hearing his explanations.
GSD @ 20
Here’s more from ThinkProgress about his resignation: Schlozman resigns from Justice Department
These dogs need to be taught a lesson. But are they too old to learn? I think this is such a great idea. I think I donated to Ciro and if I did, I’m pissed. Everyday I get requests from candidates asking to help them win their election. Today, I got 4:
Angie Paccione of Colorado
John Laesch of Illinois
McNerney of California
&
Patrick Murphy of Pennsylvania
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 28
“gelding voiced”?
Bluetoe @ 13
He’s got Specter to deal with.
Bluetoe @ 13
I think Leahy has surpassed Condi Rice on finger wagging.
ok i’m up to speed now – had to go back and read the post – ohhh i’m learning lol…. my rep is d.payne i email his office lots… tho his seat is safe he still doesnt always do the right thing but we try to keep him honest..
Tucker beginning his careful attack on the enlisted that wrote the NYT op-ed…
he’s “uncomfortable”….
1968 – All we are saying is give peace a chance.
2007 – All we (repubs) are saying is give war a chance.
Loo Hoo. @ 22
Hahaha! It’s a colorful day! ;))
i feel the bush dogs took progressive money under false pretenses – so will support be denied them this election cycle?
GSD @ 20
gelding voiced, hahahaha. Good one “david duke” bwahahaha! :o )
QuakerGirl @ 36
yeah, I saw red earlier…
now Tucker and guest are discussing the prosecution of the soldiers…
QuakerGirl @ 24
I think this is a very good point.
GSD @ 20
NOT ALVIN!!!
I forgot to mention I only give to candidates thru Act Blue so they can save the 41 cents on the direct mail.
juslin @ 37
This is my take also. More bait and switch. I’m tired of being conned.
peanutbutter @ 30
no testicles
As for Mike Ross (AR) He is a Clinton trainee… just like Lieberman trained both Clintons many years ago.. He will not change without a big fight.
Loo Hoo. @ 42
Is Bill Nelson of Florida a blue dog, yellow dog or a bush dog? Nelson voted to kick the legs out from under FISA to make Bushco’s illegal spying legal. He voted for cloture on Alito and then voted against Alito.
Ok, I see how this works, Nelson is a Bush dog.
i’m no big contributor – i support russ feingold’s PPF when i can but i really resent folks who pull a fast one when they get in – but karma is indeed a bitch so they better look out
i got dibs on bean
I have already written and called, our Blue Dog, Leonard Boswell IA-03. I have pointed out that on every major vote important to a progressive Democrat: (Iraq War Funding, Gonzo Censure, FISA Laws,) I could have voted for the Republican challenger and had the same results as voting for Boswell. I have yet to recieve the courtesy of a response.
I would like to point out that he has already endorsed HRC. HRC is the Blue Dog’s choice for a candidate.
If we dressed the Bush Dogs in pink would they be more likely to vote progressively?
How can Herseth be a blue dog? I thought blue dogs had to be from the South.
i’m trying to figure why HRC is the front-runner…is it b/c she’s married to bill or is it the DLC? i mean what is IT? i really dont get it….
The view here is that what’s going on is nothing less than a struggle for the heart, brain and soul of the Democratic Party. In this house we know where we stand.
One of the worst is Jim Matheson, D(hah!) of Utah 2nd district. His father was a good Dem governor, but Jim has consistently voted with Bush, including the two in the OpenLeft post. He portrays himself as a Dem but then rolls over every time Karl Rove looks his way and votes with his master. Utah is the reddest of the red states so Matheson seems to think he has to be a right winger, but his district is progressive and liberal. He’s a schmuck.
Exactly what does “big tent” mean anymore?
Two words that folks might want to mention when they make calls like these: Ned Lamont.
If they don’t recognize the name (bad sign), you might remind them that he’s the upstart who beat incumbent CT senator and former Dem VP nominee Joe Lieberman in the Democratic primary last year.
Yeah, Joe held on to his Senate seat, but it took all his CT name recognition, big bucks from his corporate friends, and the complete absense of a Republican challenger of any note.
juslin @ 53
This morning’s Washington Journal on C-SPAN opened with call-ins on Hillary and the comments Rove made about her Sunday.
Besides having a dearth of Republican callers, there wasn’t much support for Hillary at all.
H/t to Marcy for her work on the ACLU Motion. And here, too. The ACLU is doing some of the heavy lifting in the fight against imperial authority, and we should be grateful to them– and Marcy– for their advocacy in these matters! Throw some loose change their way, if you can!
Bob in HI
juslin @ 53
That’s exactly what I’ve been wondering. I don’t see how the DLC could be a positive for her, since they’ve been effectively neutered. (That phrasing just evoked an amusing image of Bruce Reed and Al From for me.)
Oklahoma kiddo @ 56
Three Ring Circus
In these times, I think any Dem is better than any Republican. I think Steve Porter running as an independent is a mistake.
The one exception is Chris Carney. He should be our target and example to the rest. Chris Carney need to go down in defeat and the Net Roots need to be identified as having held the “knife”. Any Republican is better than Chris Carney.
QuakerGirl @24
Creating catchy politically charged expressions is key to grabbing public attention.
Rove learned this from watching how the Left did it in the 1960s and early 1970s.
As much as anything, he is a master of the language of politics.
juslin @ 49
Where is Bushco’s karma? Why do we have to suffer the consequences of their malfeasance? Wouldn’t karma or God never have let Bushco steal the Presidency in 2000? How about 2004? Jesus H. Christ! Its random chaos. Sometimes bad guys win. These worst of these mofo’s will ride off into the sunset unscathed with the bounty of the US treasury in a Swiss bank account.
The little brown Bush, George P will be ready soon. Does anyone remember the Silverado Savings and Loan scandal? How bout Prescott and Harriman Bank. Will they remember Dubya?The Bush’s shouldn’t be permitted to be janitors in the halls of government, let alone hold high office. Alas, voters have short memories. George P will come up the ranks with a new Morality Agenda and he may fool us again.
I’m confused about the difference between Blue America and Act Blue. Are they two separate groups trying to do the same thing: bundle donations?
bobschacht @ 59
I just did.
I am a traditional Democrat.
Speaking of Washington Journal, Rachel Maddow is scheduled for tomorrow
· Newspaper Articles
· Viewer Phone Calls
· Peter Wehner, The Ethics & Public Policy Center, Senior Fellow
· Rachel Maddow, Radio Talk Show Host
juslin @ 53
Money, corporate and media support with no real coverage just telling us through polls what we have decided and a near shut out of all issue scrutiny or consideration of other candidates. Media will profit most from the folks with the largest campaign war chest.
overslept this am – missed washington journal – rachel maddow will be on tuesday am…big tent? yahh whut dat mean nowadays hehehe
Loo Hoo. @ 66
I have don’t remember what the minimum fee is to join..but every FDL’er who can possibly afford it should be a card caring member of the ACLU.
juslin @ 70
Matt Stoller was on this morning, it’ll probably be shown in reruns over night, and at the website.
Bluetoe @ 13
It will get him nowhere. Fielding is a good lawyer, and has experience with inter-government wrangling that spands decades. He is not about to negotiate against himself with this. If the Jud. Committee wants appearances/documents, they need to bring contempt charges, providing the impetus and the leverage to get Fielding to produce what the Jud. Committee is seeking, or go to court. But threats alone gets them absolutely nowhere, and gives the whole politcal theatre meme some legs. C’mon, already!!
Loo Hoo. @ 66
I’m a proud card carrying member.
rdale @ 55
Matheson voted for the Military Commissions Act, for the Bankruptcy Bill, and for Federal Government intervention in the Terry Schaivo case. This man needs a primary challenger.
i heard a report on the radio that the bankruptcy bill means that those who took out equity loans, when they file bankruptcy, would be responsible for those loans……..their mortgages would be wiped out, but their equity loans they would be responsible for…………
nice little loophole, huh?
i think it needs to be reintroduced……….
Oklahoma kiddo @ 56
They’re not using that again are they? The Republican Big Tent was a lie intended to fool gullible centrist voters and minorities into thinking that they were welcome in the lilly white fraternity that is the Republican party.
It wouldn’t surprise me if the vapid Romney started using it (the big tent rhetoric). Its probably too embarrassing even for him.
Ben Chandler represents the CD that I grew up in in Kentucky. After the FISA vote, I called his offices in Lexington to point out that it was ludicrous to be voting to give more power to the AG when he (Chandler) was a co-sponsor for the Impeach AGAG resolution.
I was supposed to hear back from another staff member. I’m still waiting. I guess I’ll need to make sure all my family and friends back there know how they’re (not) being represented.
I also pointed out that Mr Chandler seemed to have lost the moral genes that his grandfather had worked from in 1947 (his grandfather was Happy Chandler, Commissioner of Baseball when Jackie Robinson integrated).
btw – has anyone here on the lake EVER been polled?? ive been voting for ages and have never been polled – who are these folks they claim to poll? surely not me
Get Tough @ 73
half-way into what you wrote I was thinking, “C’mon, already!!”
C’mon, already!!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 67
OKK – I’m not sure I agree. It depends on what you mean by “traditional.”
In 1963, for example, a traditional democrat was someone like John Stennis or Howard Eastland, both staunch defenders of racial segregration.
At that time, a republican was not necessarily a right-wing nutcase.
Earl Warren, for example, had been the republican governor of Callfornia.
He gave us a bunch of civil rights and individual liberties decisions.
juslin @ 79
Me neither. No Neilson surveys either. I’m near 50 years old.
juslin @ 79
I was once — 2004
QuakerGirl @ 61
Now I’m seeing more colors! Help…
The first order of business here is to defeat the GOP soundly. And if the Dems win big and take back the White House in 2008, they should understand that expections will mighty high. And they had damn well better do the job.
juslin @ 79
When I lived in MA and Tip O’Neill retired, I was polled a couple of times but I think it was by Joe Kennedy’s campaign and not by any media orgs.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 56
I think it means that your opinions don’t matter, but your contributions are welcome …
lee5 @ 87
We have a winner.
Slightly OT: Has anyone asked the major presidental candidates about their opinion on Federally funded elections?
Jonathan @ 19
Me3 that.
juslin @ 79
Not me. Not my Mom. In fact, no member of my family in all parts of the country. We all ask the same question. But when you have a population of 300M and you call 1,000 people, how accurate can it be All working people are excluded, cell phone folks are out, so who’s home? Maria, the housekeeper who doesn’t speak English; or some retired folks, maybe; latchkey teenagers. There’s your demographics.
Elliott @ 83
wow! how did it happen??
I too have never been polled; never knew anybody who was polled; never knew anybody who knew anybody who was polled; etc., going all the way back to Adam and Eve.
“Bush Dogs”. Love it. It is disappointing to see these folks vote their fear of worse parking over their oath to the Constitution and their constituents.
Think they’ll be back in ‘08 looking for netroots activism and wondering why the netroots suddenly won’t take their calls anymore? [/low-rent snark off]
juslin @ 79
I have been a few times.
Elliott @ 80
Halfway through I was thinking IMPEACH!
Millineryman @ 94
Really? Can I touch you?
oddmommy @ 92
It was on the phone, Gallop. I’m surprised I actually answered questions.
fact is, it could have been anybody, like the whacky guy down the street.
(just kidding about whacky guy down street)
i live in new jersey but i’ve lived in urban and suburban parts of the state – never a peep from a pollster – campaign solicitors aplenty but no polls – just once i want to answer some poll questions ;o} – mine they’d probably discard lol
Steve-AR @ 71
I’m a member and they ask for $35 for full membership. I agree. Every progressive who cares about the Constitution should join..and when some winger sneers that you’re in the A C L U!, you can get right back in their face with, “You got THAT right! What’s YOUR problem?”
Kathy/Fozzetti @ 89
Not in quite that form, but in response to a question on one of the debates, one of the second tier candidates came out strongly for publicly funded elections, and no one disagreed.
Bob in HI
Loo Hoo. @ 95
C’mon already, IMPEACH!
oddmommy @ 92
I get polled from time to time by Zogby. You can go to their page and sign up for that.
QuakerGirl @ 96
Do you screen your calls for telephone solicitors? I don’t, I just answer the phone and ask to have my name taken off all lists. Mixed in with those calls have been polls.
Maybe the Democrats are coming on too strong.
Elliott @ 101
Hi Elliot.
ACLU Foundation (distinct from ACLU) is a charitable organization.
Tax deductible contributions can be made to ACLU Foundation.
Everythingseemssoneat @ 104
you’re funny.
Veritas78 @ 65
ActBlue is for Democrats and Bernie Sanders. Blue America is for progressive Democrats (and Bernie?)…
Millineryman @ 105
Hi Millineryman!!
bobschacht @ 100
Biden came out for Federally funded elections to get money out of the basic equation.
Everythingseemssoneat @ 104
Too strong? What’d I miss?
Everythingseemssoneat @ 104
HA-HA! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! {snork} Hehehe.
That was a good one. Send this to Colbert. Maybe he can use it on his show.
Bob in HI
juslin @ 98
Most are multiple choice so it is very frustrating. Thus the questionnaire is skewed. I used to work for a marketing/PR firm that put together polls for the apparel industry. Don’t laugh, I was Executive Vice President. Companies used the data for a five year business projection so we worked very hard to make it objective. Still, I could tell, though not deliberate, there was an embedded prejudice. The questions were only as good as the quality of experience of the researcher.
Kathy/Fozzetti @ 89
Biden talked about it in one of the debates.
A show of hands:
Who here wants the next president to be dull — not dull intellectually, but dull from a humor or hipness standpoint?
Jane upstairs on the “non-Deciderer
FYI, new post
bustedknuckles at 16 says in part-” Apparently he has been flying under my radar and I had not been paying attention.
Rep Brian Baird is going to get a little sunlight coming his way.
This guy is almost literally in my back yard.
I am so ashamed I hadn’t been paying closer attention.”
you can sign up at congress.org to get mailings of how your congresscritter votes…..they notify you of bills upcoming, too…there is another site that does the same thing, i will try to find it……..
and in the last thread, the pink tool thing……i worked outside for the phone company, and i had my own tools……and the guys i worked with gave me tools i might need when i was starting out, and i did the same when i was there longer to the new people i trained……so, i don’t know about the girl you had to train, but in my experience, i was able to do it, and the guys i worked with showed me that every day………
Millineryman @ 103
Nope, don’t screen my calls nor anyone I know. The only person I know who screens her calls owes me money, and others as well.
Lets not be too cynical about these Bush Dogs-all Dogs
roll around in scat of other animals as an instinctual
act. Most politicians sell themselves out at some point.
Money and access corrupt equally. Those newly elected
Bush Dogs need to have minders tag along with them
to keep them honest. Focus on defeating Republicans and
putting a training collar on the Bush dogs.
Peterr @ 57
Kissing with Bush was the sign Rove was on his side.
Jonathan @ 81
I am speaking here in a general sort of way. I am for diplomacy, a strong defense, a Square Deal, a Fair Deal among many other things. Things such as the right of workers to organize, single payer, universal medical care, strict environmental regulations, free day care, quality schools, a quality DOJ, stem cell research, right to privacy, gay rights, pro-choice, public financing of elections, equal pay, worker safety, redistribution of wealth, and minority rights. I am for human rights and personal responsibility. I am against NAFTA, CAFTA, the WTO, outsourcing, monopolies, junk bonds and leveraged buyouts, and so many other things. And I am for getting out of Iraq. I am a traditional Democrat. A Democrat with common sense, a strong sense of civic duty, empathy, and hopefully, real and genuine compassion. I am talking philosophy here. I do not subscribe to the Hobbesian concept of do unto others before they do unto you. I believe in the not outdated idea of the golden rule. This for me is what a ‘traditional Democrat’ is all about. Not what the Democratic Party has evolved to.
Yes everyone new got some of my older tools. It has cost me a small fortune over the years but I am sure the tradition is being carried on.
Btw, thanks for the heads up on that site.
Jonathan @ 115
machs nix
bobschacht @ 59
The GOP propaganda machine hates the ACLU because their true mission is the defend the Constitution.
I was called and asked to respond to questions about our governor’s race in 2006. From the questions, my guess is that it was paid for by our Governor, who was trying to get re-elected. My far left responses to the questions and some of my additional comments had the questioner laughing at one point. I remember getting a call back during the Clinton years as well, but that was national. I know that polls vary greatly. Some feature loaded questions to produce a bias in the responses, like Fox. Is there a national poll that has a reputation for not leaning either left or right?
I have been polled a number of times. I have done nielsen a couple times. I have done the in depth Census Bureau thing once (it involves a visit at least every six months, and extremely intrusive personal questions). They tried to tell me I had been “randomly” selected a 2nd time and by law had to comply. I said “try me”. They didn’t.
I donated to Ciro. But I won’t be doing that again. He is not the only Blue America candidate I dropped a gift in the collection plate for, and not the first to disappoint. (I’m looking at you Congressman McNerney.)
Melissa Bean relies heavily on Jan Schakowsky’s organization. Without Jan’s help getting the grassroots working for her, Bean would have lost.
If you live in Jan’s district tell her to put the squeeze on Bean.