There’s a new type of closet for LGBT folks. This became a ticklish issue for the media with the death of mogul and game show producer Merv Griffin last week at 82. Pam Spaulding calls Merv openly closeted, an identity with which I was previously unfamiliar. And one I’m not sure should be perpetuated.
The controversy (”is Merv gay now that he’s dead?”) started when the Grey Lady broached the subject in Merv’s obit:
But he was also dogged by sex scandals and insinuations that he was gay. In 1991, he was sued by Denny Terrio, the host of “Dance Fever,” another show Mr. Griffin created, alleging sexual harassment. The same year, Brent Plott, a longtime employee who worked as a bodyguard, horse trainer and driver, filed a $200 million palimony lawsuit. Mr. Griffin characterized both lawsuits as extortion; ultimately, both suits were dismissed.
Mr. Griffin consistently evaded answering questions about his sexuality. In a 2005 interview with The New York Times, he said: “I tell everybody that I’m a quartre-sexual. I will do anything with anybody for a quarter.”
Ha, ha.
But not all media outlets were so clever in their assessment of Merv’s closet.
It started innocently enough with a story about late entertainer/talk show host Merv Griffin, who died this week, at The Hollywood Reporter’s web site. Its opening line: “Merv Griffin was gay.”
Then things got really interesting. The Reporter pulled the story — by regular Ray Richmond, who once worked for Merv — for awhile, then re-posted it under the heading, “Griffin never revealed man behind the curtain.” What next? Reuters picked it up in its normal entertainment feed and then, after protests (presumably), it pulled the story, with this explanation: “This was a story from The Hollywood Reporter that ran as part of a Reuters news feed. We have dropped the story from our entertainment news feed as it did not meet our standards for news. GBU Editor.”
Yahoo had run the story by this point with the headline, “Merv Griffin Died a Closeted Homosexual.” That’s pretty matter-of-fact. Why expect the world to become a more tolerant place just because you’re older and worth billions? Why not stay in the closet, or at a minimum, openly closeted? Who wouldn’t want to squire a Gabor sister around Hollywood? What’s the harm?
If you’re Griffin, why would you think a judgmental culture would be any more tolerant as you grew into middle and old age? Even in the capital of entertainment — in a business where homosexuality isn’t exactly a rare phenomenon — it’s still spoken of in hushed tones or, more often, not at all. And Merv’s brush with tabloid scandal no doubt only drove him further into the closet.
Michaelangelo Signorile starts with the big picture: this was one extremely well-connected mogul, with the capability to influence truly powerful people and (maybe) save lives.
First off, Griffin’s closet kept him shockingly silent while he had access to the president of the United States as his own people were dying. This man was intimate with the Reagans (and Nancy Reagan in particular) during the height of the AIDS epidemic in 80s, with few treatments available and fear-mongering having gripped the media. Griffin’s gay brothers — his friends, his lovers, his people across America, around the world — suffered and met horrific deaths. And yet, because he was closeted it is highly unlikely he ever made the connection for the Reagans (between himself and those who were suffering and dying), pointed out the government negligence, or even talked openly as a gay person. … He also stayed silent about the epidemic in the media — ironic since he was a man very much at the center of the media industry and in shaping communications and television in this country — when his voice would have made a huge difference.
Signorile then lets us know another dirty secret of the openly closeted. They use their workplace power to seek sex.
Secondly, Griffin’s closet had him engaging in workplace sexual harassment, something that, as I showed in my 1993 book Queer in America, is common among closeted powerful men, who often are simply seeking outlets for sex. That was not only focused on in the Denny Terrio lawsuit against Griffin but also was something that several Hollywood gay men told me about, offering first hand experience, while I was researching Queer in America back in the early 90s and some of this (though, for legal reasons not all) is reported on in the book.
Lastly — and this seems as sick as the first two twisted aspects of the open closet — openly gay people were not permitted to succeed within the business worlds Merv Griffin created.
Griffin’s closet had him firing gay men who’d actually made it up through the ranks of his own company, simply because they were openly gay. There is a story in Queer in America about a man identified as “The Mogul” who did just that. I can now reveal that The Mogul is Merv Griffin. Open homosexuality is a threat to the closeted, and powerful people in the closet like Merv Griffin will often do whatever it takes to squash those who are open and who might advocate that all among the powerful should come out.
The last certainly qualifies Merv for public outing under the hypocrisy rule. Any gay who hurts other gay people, or profits from their hurt, or politicizes their hurt, deserves outing.
Merv’s decision to “stay” in his closet, with its louvered, transparent, revolving doors, was certainly his own. It was his power and money, though, that kept Hollywood media complicit, legitimizing the open closet as an American institution in the twenty-first century. Commenter MAJeff at Pandagon explains the social invention that is the closet, whether open or not:
The closet is a social institution, it is a set of social practices. The news media actively construct this institution through their “inning” of celebrities, as well as through the construction of certain types of narratives, and employment practices, etc., etc.
The point is that the closet is not just an individual’s private life, as someone will inevitably argue. The closet is a set of social practices all based in the notion that homosexuality must be hidden in order to prop up heterosexual supremacy. The closet isn’t a right; it’s an oppressive institution that distorts the humanity and relationships of those forced to live in its confines.
The media needs to stop inning celebrities; outing is so twentieth-century. Our outrage needs to be directed at the inning. No more open closets! Closets, and the fictions that maintain them, kill.
Update: David Ehrenstein provides an insider’s perspective on Mervgate!
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G’evening, firepups.
zed?
dayam
Hiya Teddy!!!
Hey everyone. Call me naive, but I really had no idea that Merv was gay.
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 1
Congrats!!!
tee hee. Age & treachery win.
I don’t know why people need to stay in the closet. Just tell the ChristoStupids to mind their OWN business!
g’evening everyone – excellent points you raise, teddy
Latest Hurricane Dean info from NOAA.
My late aunt lived in NYC for almost 50 years. When I moved there in 1982 she would tell me about Merv and his “boys”. Hard to believe there’s any controversy here.
Hello, everypup!
There’s a point at which the open closet and the closeted world converge — people who know one is gay are responsible for maintaining the illusion one’s not. These people, interestingly enough, are “journalists.” Why is the fiction of the closet worthy of their efforts, while the fiction of the hospitalization for “exhaustion” is not?
At what point does truth matter? And why is the truth of being gay seem so worthy of muddying?
Top of the evening to all!
It looks as though not only Louisiana but Texas is going to miss getting a head-on clobbering by Dean. Huzzah!
Suzanne @ 9
Bon Soir, Ma Cheri!!! No Dive? ;-)
I have to wonder how much of the kerfuffle in the Hollywood press — which then went mainstream via Yahoo! — was to preserve Nancy Reagan’s delicate sensibilities.
Hi Cassie!
CTuttle @ 14
No dive – I think I found TJ’s headache.
TeddySanFran @ 15
Howzabout, Ahnuld’s??? *g*
Good evening from Tampa Bay, Suzanne!
Aw, sorry to hear that Suzanne
Was Denny Terrio not gay? Or was Denny gay and simply unappreciative of Merv’s lecherous advances? Or did Denny Terrio kick Merv to the curb (Merv as jilted lover) after Denny got what he wanted from Merv (Dance Fever – the show).
Today’s “journalists” are co-dependent enablers.
TeddySanFran @ 15
Excellent points are raised in this piece. I’ve often wondered at the hoohaa about Mrs. Reagan. It has always seemed to me that her head was much to large for the rest of her body.
It’s so distressing to me that people like Merv choose power & influence in a negative sense, i.e, only for personal gain rather than using that power to be a force for peace & justice for all.
TJ @ 20
I empathize with ya both…!!! :-(
Why does the closet exist? I think because it’s possible. Women have a hard time hiding their gender. African American people have a hard time hiding their skin color. But a person can hide their sexual preference.
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 24
Well, Merv’s Pleasure Island Bahamas resort is nice! ;)
In addition to remaining kind of asexual here as TJ, I also have started using TJ on my resume instead of my first name.
The call I got this week asked for TJ. I replied that it was TJ speaking. The response was shock. Clearly, the interviewer was expecting a man.
TJ @ 26
Another may well be that until quite recently, most gay male sexual acts were illegal in many states, often felonies. That was of course overturned by the famous supreme court decision AFTER chimpy and his gang stole the election in 2000, and I’ve often wondered if they two were related….
I have a confession to make.
Tonight, for the first time in my life, I faked getting a phone call on my cell in order to escape a tedious conversation.
I hang my head in shame.
I had no idea about ol’ Merv, but I have definitely had some experiences with closeted men and women trying to mess with me in the workplace and academia. Nobody’s mean like a closet case is mean.
In a few cases, I managed to be tricky and cunning and turn the tables, once going so far as to out my married supervisor. But that’s what you get. He started it. It was for his family’s own good.
madmommy @ 23
Louis B Mayer is alleged to have demanded that Nancy Davis never be fired from MGM because of her head.
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 24
Unfortunately, power and influence has a corrupting influence, with few exceptions…!!! 8-(
althespook @ 29
Really? I did not know that.
Suzanne @ 22
Correct. Because they are employed by corporations with agendas other than good journalism, unlike when media were largely indpendent. Another aspect of the death of journalism by media consolidation, IMO.
Oh, can we please not go there? All I can think about is how Ronnie called her “Mommy” and…euuhhhhh…
*full body shudder*
TJ @ 28
One possible response to such shock is, “You were expecting a man?” Gets things started on the right foot, don’t you think?
The Merv of that fellow!
LS @ 33
oh yeah. The laws weren’t mentioned or enforced but they were there and could be used if needed. The phrase “crime against nature” was often used as a euphemism to avoid mentioning specific orifices and activities. All deriving from the Puritans, of course….
TRex @ 30
It is kinder to fake a call to get out of a conversation that to tell someone to their face that you find them tedious. I am a firm believer in being kind when you can, why hurt someone when it can be avoided? it’s just those good southern manners showing through!
Whoa…Caymens could be in the way of a Cat 5…might flat there.
Was Mrs. Reagan gay? Or she hated gays?
Huh. I’ve always known Merv Griffin was gay. Don’t remember where, it was one of those way back things. Like Rock Hudson.
Anyway, the closet is a many aspected thing. For *most* people it’s simply personal. But as you illustrate, there’s a point where your closet affects too many other people and when it intersects with power, well.
So he was married with child(ren)?
Heterosexuals, I mean…I don’t have a problem with them, really. I don’t really think it’s natural, but who am I to judge? I just wish they wouldn’t insist on rubbing our faces in it. God, okay, already.
I have to kind of draw the line at straight marriage, though. Clearly, it’s a threat to the fabric of our society. Look what it did to Britney Spears.
Eureka Springs @ 37
Groan, lol.
TRex @ 30
That’s the first good reason I’ve heard for having one of those things.
SnarKassandra @ 41
1. Not that I’ve ever heard of. 2. If so, she is in denial.
TRex- YGM
hackworth @ 21
I don’t know, and since the case was dismissed, we may never know. But it was an extremely gilded curb Merv got kicked to, if that was what happened.
You were using good manners to get out of an awkward social situation. Nothing to be ashamed of, TRex.
Suzanne @ 50
And who here among us hasn’t done the same thing?
LS @ 47
I still don’t understand.
so, is Anderson Cooper the Merv of our generation?
TRex @ 44
Bless her heart, she’s just as tacky as they come.
TRex. Just because the phone rings and someone calls you, does not mean you have to answer it. No guilt there. You are not obliged to speak to everyone that wants to speak to you whenever they want to.
TRex @ 44
Now, T, I certainly would not want to deprive ya’ll of the ‘pleasures’ of marriage, you know, alimony, palimony… but, we do have to procreate…!!! :P
SnarKassandra @ 41
Mrs. Reagan is extremely homophobic. She doesn’t just hate gays, she is AFRAID of them. She acts as if sitting next an openly gay person could cause a previously non-gay person to suddenly become gay. Since reportedly she and Merv were the best of friends, she obviously would not be pleased to be forced to acknowledge that her dear friend was one of “them”. So the snarky comment above.
And the reason gay people are in closets isn’t fear of the Xtianists. It is fear of bigotry, persecution, and hate crimes from ordinary people in big and small communities. That’s why for so long New York and San Francisco were so special to many gays and lesbians (and please include lesbians as part of “gay” as being discussed here, for example Ellen Degeneres is openly Lesbian and was a longtime partner of Anne Heche) is that they could be “out of the closet” there without as much fear as say, Austin Texas in 1970. The acceptance of the reality and validity of the GLBT communities is one of the major social accomplishments of the last several decades.
TJ @ 26
Unfortunately it is often the case that it is safer to do so … so many vicious physical attacks. A number of years ago two men were physically assaulted in down Minneapolis by some thugs who thought they were gay. Biological brothers, out for a night on the town. & to me, whether they were brothers or lovers (erlack, not both…incest not ok in my book) the violence is not ok.
So many religious totlitarians base their bible beliefs totally on the old testament, which is full of really disgusting tribal level stuff if you read it closely. The hate-filled religious types use this to justify incest and persecution of gays. Jesus said, “I give unto you a new commandment, love one another.” So many who claim to have admitted Jesus into their hearts sure the fuck don’t listen to what He said.
(rolls eyes at self and gets off soapbox.)
Louis B Mayer is alleged to have demanded that Nancy Davis never be fired from MGM because of her head.
Ronnie Raygun loved Nancy’s head so much that he divorced Jane Wyman and married Nancy. Ronnie found that Nancy’s head helped him to relax. Ronnie’s bouts of petulant behavior which much aleviated by Nancy’s head.
Ironically, Nancy’s head helped Ronnie win the presidency as a moral values candidate.
SnarKassandra @ 52
1. I have never heard, nor do I have any reason to believe one way or the other whether she was gay.
2. If she ever expressed that she did not love gay people, maybe she mispoke.
An interesting closet dynamic I observed: During high school in the late 70’s, gay students who were out and unapologetic were generally left alone, while closet cases were harassed continually. It seemed odd to me that the sanction would be directed against the deniers more than the out, but such was so.
CTuttle @ 18
.
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Gotta wonder about those acting lessons and workouts.
Thank you Alfred!
What is so wonderful about her head?
Nancy’s head may have appeared too big because the rest of her was anorexically dimensioned.
TeddySanFran @ 61
Teddy, you’re evil…!!! ;-)
From the Manly Men Comments:
Me3 @ 214
SnarKassandra @ 63
It is freakishly large in comparison to the rest of her body. In some photos it looks as though someone got stoned and photo-shopped her, badly. Don’t ask why I can recall this picture specifically, but one of the inaugural photos, when she wore a white off the shoulder gown, her head looks especially huge.
SnarKassandra @ 62
You’re welcome, Cassie. Please remember that in many cases we don’t answer your direct, honest, forthright and quite valid questions because:
a) we are ashamed of ourselves for stopping asking such questions ourselves far too long ago.
b) we are hiding behind snark and word play from the agony of a world which is sometimes so awful it is unbearable and we don’t have the guts to tell you that.
c) We genuinely never saw the connection you ask about.
We’re aren’t ignoring you, we really aren’t…
madmommy @ 67
sounds ugly to me.
SnarKassandra @ 69
pretty much
madmommy @ 67
That is so funny, I can’t stand it….I can’t breathe.
RonD @ 34
I have to disagree. I don’t think media has gone downhill just because of consolidation. For examples, just look at the WaPo of the NYT. Both are god awful these days.
SnarKassandra @ 69
She is, in every sense of the word…
SHUT UP, Y’ALL, SERIOUSLY!
GOD!
Suzanne @ 50
We must hope that the person on the other end of the phone does not read this blog, however. Another instance of real life intersecting blog life. Did I tell you all about going in to my client’s office on Monday, after my very satisfying YKos rant? — only to discover that my newly hired client/supervisor — starting that week — served on the organizing committee!
TRex @ 74
Whaaaaaaaaat!! Snort!
althespook @ 68
So just say (A) (B) or (C). That’s fine. Or tell me to ask my brother or my aunt if it is THAT kind of question.
LS @ 71
The worst part is now I can see that picture in my head clearly. And I will have to attempt sleep soon with that image. I only have one bottle of wine, methinks it is not enough!
“I have to kind of draw the line at straight marriage, though. Clearly, it’s a threat to the fabric of our society. Look what it did to Britney Spears.”
*************
I agree — and I am straight. No marriage for gays — no marriage for heteros. That is my word. LOL (I was married for a long time — now have had a live-in BF for a long time. This is better.)
That’s just me, though. Why can’t everyone just let individuals make their own decisions? I suppose I could blame some GAY MAN for ruining my marriage, but I am too honest — it was the booze. :-)
Is it possible that people can be in the closet because they consider it a game? Kinda living a double life adventure? Is there a subset that are in the closet for fun?
TRex @ 74
That dress is straight from Wal-Mart !
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 72
They are both financially weak. Their atrocious behavior is likely due to a desperate need for corporate advertising, like the “forever new frontiers” of Boeing which is of course insane from a technical business standpoint because they don’t sell to ordinary people. For example, when was the last time you chose a flight based on whether or not the plane was a boeing?
SnarKassandra @ 77
…or (D), Cassie, enjoy your youth!!! *g*
Honestly…I’m not making this up..there was a study that successful famous people had BIG HEADS!! The study I saw..on teevee…showed all the famous people and, you know what?…They all had big heads!! Must be creationism or somethin’.
oddmommy @ 53
The VIllage Voice’s Michael Musto, who has no birthdate on wiki, examines this conundrum.
SnarKassandra @ 69
Comedian Bobcat Goldthwait: “Bazaar magazine ranks Nancy Reagan as one of the 10 most beautiful women in the world.Yeah. Bazaar. I wonder where Total F*ck*ng Bullsh*t magazine ranks her?”
Twain @ 82
Who would have ever though that Kevin would come out looking like the responsible parent in that couple???
SnarKassandra @ 69
You be the judge, Cassie.
madmommy @ 78
It is a very triangular head too..strange.
CTuttle @ 56
CT< has no one explained to you that marriage isn’t required for procreation???!!!</p>
Cassie, please keep asking the questions. There are too many people in the world who pretend to know things. Knowledge is power.
RonD @ 86
I think you spell it BIZARRE. *G*
TeddySanFran @ 85
Michael Musto, another person with an oversized melon. Every time I see him on Countdown I am mesmerized.
EvilDrPuma @ 88
ROFLMAO!!!!
SnarKassandra @ 63
Sometimes Ronnie was depressed or angry; and he was prone to temper tantrums, perhaps from being upstaged by a chimpanzee. Ronnie needed to relax and regroup. The studio head introduced Ronnie’s little head to Nancy’s big head and the two became inseparable soul mates! Its a Hollywood fairy tale. You are too young to have heard it.
IT’S A SHIRT, for cryin’ out loud!! Who cares where it came from? It requires PANTS!
Nancy.
TRex @ 96
Then she couldn’t show off the goodies underneath
TRex @ 75
Oh no! you’ve linked to my secret addiction! i try to act all politically conscious n shit, but (blushes w shame, er, was going to say hangs head in shame but self-edited …) i’m thoroughly addicted to fashion snark. (For those that haven’t, read ALL of Britney’s diary entries, and K-Fed’s also. Spew alert.)
TeddySanFran @ 90
Can you put “goodies” in scare quotes, please?
More on the Big Heads business…read at your own risk.
Loo Hoo. @ 97
I almost fell over backwards when I clicked on that!!
asphyxiation @ 97
Ya’ll are cracking me up tonight! I can no longer read a comment with a sip of wine in my mouth or risk asphyxiation
TRex @ 96
Forget leaving the house, I would not be allowed to leave my CLOSET if I was wearing that!
SnarKassandra @ 78
LOL, I don’t read all the posts… But if I do see questions from you, I will try to reply to them if it’s something I am familiar with.
If it’s a brother or aunt question I can comment on your blog… Which I read for the first time last night and was very impressed with.
Excuse me, but a closeted gay man who fires his openly gay employees should not be remembered as a “closeted gay man”. He should be remembered as an “asshole”. And frankly, if all he got is a post-mortem outing, I think he got off light. I think they should tie his wrinkled dead ass to the back of a gay pride float and drag him through West Hollywood before the finally put him in the ground. What an asshole.
SnarKassandra @ 105
Then you are safe from Kevin Federline or whoever. Be thankful, be very thankful.
LS –
Me too. Wanna start a class action lawsuit on Loo Hoo? That WAS brutal, Loo Hoo.
Me3 @ 106
Thank you. :)
Frank Probst @ 107
Don’t play coy. Tell us what you really think.
OT..Howie has a good Iraq post up, including this:
Military commanders tell Brown to withdraw from Iraq without delay
http://news.independent.co.uk/…..876541.ece
althespook @ 82
Actually, the parent company of the WaPo, which is titled the same name as the newspaper isn’t in such bad shape. They own all sorts of media businesses. Overall, they are a fairly profitable company. It’s the NYT which is in financial trouble(like most newspapers).
LS @ 103
It doesn’t even fit in the window
Shell @ 110
Really, that was bad!
Evening all. We are having a bit of blessed relief today. Temps are down (actually supposed to be below normal for most of the week) and we had a tiny bit of rain tonight which helped clear the air a bit. Do not know if it had any effect on the fires (which are going great guns right now). The downside is the same front that brought the rain and cooler temps is supposed to bring more wind. Not good for the fires.
Loo Hoo. @ 98
God, I thought Nancy Reagan was jumping out of my monitor.
Loo Hoo. @ 81
There are married men who cruise the bathrooms at Ocean Beach for sex. They think they are safe from HIV because they only “go” with other guys with wedding bands. There are non-straight non-married men who think the married guys are hot. They don wedding rings just to cruise, and to succeed with the married men.
There is an element of the forbidden involved here.
The closet, though, is basically distateful and dangerous. Inning must stop.
Frank Probst @ 107
Yep.
DrDick @ 116
Glad to hear it. Actually, I have a question for you, since you’ve been publishing a while: does peer review get less anxiety-provoking after the first few times around? I’m in mid-revision of my first publication, and I must admit, I’m stressing a bit.
RonD @ 118
Yeah, I kinda must have looked like the guy in the commercial listening to Wagner when everything looked liked it was being blown backwards, hair and all…
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 113
I sit corrected. However, I still suspect a financial motivation somewhere, just not as simplistic as I initially supposed. The neocon sort of crap seems to always end up at a financial case of some sort. For example, it seems very like the “raid” on ashcroft by gonzo and cardini was to get ink on paper from Ashcroft to cover the telco’s butts from the kind of lawsuit for illegal wiretapping going on now that Chimpy is frantically (and rather ineffectually) trying to supress.
an epu here … camel toes. and K-Fed. Go there if you dare
TeddySanFran @ 12
Strikes me that there is a bit of a double standard operating here, with “open” closets for powerful conservatives like Griffin, but making anyone else suffer if they are gay.
Loo Hoo. @ 98
Yowza!
althespook @ 103
Poor Nicole Richie.
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 123
No. And you can’t make me.
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 123
Oh ghod, not more camel toes (Cassie, ask your aunt!),,,,
OT: Any word on whether or not Haiti is still there?
SnarKassandra @ 115
Goddamn, now there’s some flashbacks. I always thought she had a deaths head mask look to her. Gaaah!
althespook @ 128
Nope, Suzanne explained that one the other night.
not only camel toes but there is the dreaded manpris in that pic ndfg.
Shell @ 110
I just wanted to show my respect for madmommy. Prove she was right-on!
Steve-AR @ 113
UK Military Historians Remember Dunkirk?
Frank Probst @ 108
Amen!
SnarKassandra @ 131
Just like a high school biology teacher too :)
Frank Probst @ 129
They were lashed, as if they could afford it…!!!
ndfg?
More weather to freak y’all out.
It’s the Caymans that has me worried. I have a tiny skosh of money there, don’t want it to wash away…
althespook @ 122
Of course there is a profit motive and that means sucking up to the multi-nationals, and other masters. I guess it means that all journalism ethics goes out the window as a result. If the WaPo and the NYT did their job, there would be a lot less need for the blogosphere. But they don’t, so here we are.
Loo Hoo. @ 134
Thanks! I am such a non-geek that I do not know how to insert a link into the text of a message. My oldest is 6, I figure in a year or two he can clue me in!
Frank Probst @ 108
Of the three reasons Signorile gave for Merv’s assholiness, it was really hard to choose the worst. (So your lazy blogger included them all!) It was horrible that the eighties glided by — with Rock Hudson dying, even! — without Merv making any effort with his great friends (who happened to live in the White House) about AIDS.
But sexual harassment, on an individual level, can destroy people and it appears that his did. Finally, though, I think the idea that he closely watched bravely open gay men within his several empires — and FIRED THEM when they achieved success — is really, really low.
SnarKassandra @ 139
Bob in HI, is your volcano goddess getting frisky again?
TJ @ 138
newdealfarmgrrrlll
As I said, I am not gay, so this comment may seem naive.
But gays should come out by their early 20s. Hard where you live? Then F-ing move. I grew up in a state I didn’t like, then moved the day after college graduation. And while I don’t expect everyone to be just like me, at some point it is time to stop whining. (And to stop passing laws against gays/being in a church that hates gays, etc.)
I now live 70 miles from San Francisco, know many gays who live there, and none are FROM there.
althespookat 57 says-”Mrs. Reagan is extremely homophobic. She doesn’t just hate gays, she is AFRAID of them. She acts as if sitting next an openly gay person could cause a previously non-gay person to suddenly become gay. Since reportedly she and Merv were the best of friends, she obviously would not be pleased to be forced to acknowledge that her dear friend was one of “them”. So the snarky comment above.
And the reason gay people are in closets isn’t fear of the Xtianists. It is fear of bigotry, persecution, and hate crimes from ordinary people in big and small communities. That’s why for so long New York and San Francisco were so special to many gays and lesbians (and please include lesbians as part of “gay” as being discussed here, for example Ellen Degeneres is openly Lesbian and was a longtime partner of Anne Heche) is that they could be “out of the closet” there without as much fear as say, Austin Texas in 1970. The acceptance of the reality and validity of the GLBT communities is one of the major social accomplishments of the last several decades.”
i thought her son is gay…….thought he came out a while back……
great thread teddy.
(drive by, was just reading a little before i went to bed, but had to comment about fancy nancy, ((((hi latenite pups)))), off to bed…)
Frank Probst @ 130
It’s okay I think. Dean’s going kinda south of everything. There will be damage, but not what it could have been…Cayman Islands are next..then Yucatan…and then.it’s headed towards Mexico most likely or possibly south TX, unless it suddenly takes a sharp turn left and hits Belize really soon.
Me3 @ 134
Damn, forget Saigon ‘75, Dunkirk was only be dwarfed by Operation Overlord 4 years later, for sheer amount of personnel and material transported in or out of a combat zone!!!
Suzanne @ 145
ohhhh, i couldn’t figure out how that could be a lol kind of thing, and had graduated to not done f’ing!
A book and a bed await me. Be excellent to each other, one and all.
Sleep well, EDP.
Twain @ 99
Don’t really think those quite qualify as “goodies” anymore. The girl has let herself go.
EvilDrPuma @ 151
A different bed and a different book for me. Night!
Goodnight all! The school bus comes mighty early tomorrow morning.
dmac @ 147
night dmac. and my comments about Nancy Reagan are strictly based on observation, nothing more. But having known families with gay sons and daughters, a mom or dad who “doesn’t want to hear it” about said son and/or daughter’s gayness, won’t. Nancy may be in that group.
madmommy @ 155
Mine comes a week from tomorrow!
Good night, SnarKassandra!
EvilDrPuma @ 151
Nite EDP. Don’t fret about your peer review. It’ll be fine. Trust me.
G’nite, MM and EDP!!!
SnarKassandra @ 154
Good! Night! :)
Young Ron Reagan is not out, that I know of.
Perhaps you are thinking of his speech at the DNC in favor of stem-cell research, or his vote for John Kerry, or his article “The Case Against George W Bush by Ron Reagan” in Esquire?
A kind of apostasy, certainly, but not coming out, exactly. He is, at any rate, still married to his wife Doria, whom he married in 1980.
(waving to all the sleepy pups leaving)
There was a Vanity Fair article about Merv about four years or so ago — vague references about his sexuality and lots of information about his wealth. Great pics, though. I didn’t even hear about his death this week until tonight.
EvilDrPuma @ 121
Not a lot and it is always highly annoying, especially when the reviewer seem not to have read what you wrote or is annoyed that you didn’t right the work that they would have written.
Shell @ 147
I takes some people more time to come to terms with it than it does others, and I strongly believe that everyone who comes out should be allowed to do it at their own pace, provided they aren’t actively hurting anyone else in the process. Had he simply lived his entire life in the closet and died there at age 82, I would have felt both sad and sympathetic toward him. I would even be able to overlook his silence during the 80s. (Rock Hudson had to drop dead for the Reagans to notice, so I doubt Griffen’s voice would have added much.) But to actively sabotage the careers of openly gay men and women? Sorry, but that’s WAY the fuck over the line. Like I said, he got off light.
Bon Nuit, Mademoiselle Cassie!!!
TeddySanFran @ 162
And a dandy bit of snark at his father’s funeral.
madmommy, it’s easy. (now that texB showed me the control-v method). Go to the site you want to link. Highlight and copy the link at the top of the page, (http://etc.) then edit to copy. Same as you’d copy anything. Come back to the FDL comment box and write your comment. Highlight the word(s) you want to use as the link. Click the link bar over the comment box. When the box appears, use edit to paste-but if that doesn’t work use Control v on a PC or the squiggle to the left of the space bar V on a mac. Your link is done, and another box will come down showing your highlighted word. Click ok again. Preview, then submit comment.
WaPo chats tomorrow; questions accepted anytime!
Political reporter Shailagh Murray at 11am eastern.
Staff writer Doug Struck at 11am eastern, on global warming and water conflicts.
Loo Hoo. @ 169
and don’t forget – the link box that pops up already has the http in it – delete that before you paste your url in the box.
someone correct me if I’m wrong, but my mother used to watch ole Merv every evening when I was growing up……and he never struck me as all that good of an interviewer.
So….what was his talent? Wise investing?
Night to all the retiring Fire Pups!
Merv had the daytime version of The Tonight Show on. It was a feather in the cap for any performer to be booked on his show. Way before the days of Oprah.
To bed for me as well. Good night, all, and the best of all possible tomorrows to you.
RonD @ 175
Night RonD!
Night RonD.
teddy at 162 says-”Young Ron Reagan is not out, that I know of.
Perhaps you are thinking of his speech at the DNC in favor of stem-cell research, or his vote for John Kerry, or his article “The Case Against George W Bush by Ron Reagan” in Esquire?
A kind of apostasy, certainly, but not coming out, exactly. He is, at any rate, still married to his wife Doria, whom he married in 1980.”
huh, coulda sworn he was…….sorry. now i’m wondering who i got him confused with…..cuz i know who he is, so, someone that i mistook for him is……huh……thanks.
now off to bed…..kept saying, read a few more comments, then bed, read a few more comments, one more link……..addicted……
Frank Probst -
Thank you for responding. And I agree. I just hate to see closet gays (who aren’t harming other gays, like Merv) seem so miserable. But I guess that is just me. That would drive ME nuts.
oops, daughter returned my car, gotta run her home. Think i have to pick up some ice cream, any requests?
I think there was a rumor about Ron being gay because he was a ballet dancer iirc.
Loo Hoo. @ 170
Oh. My. God.
Look, if you use the Firefox browser, get yourself the “Copy as HTML link” extension.
Then, you can highlight a chunk of text (article title usually is good) on the page you want to reference, use the right click button, choose copy as html, and then come in here and paste. Super fast and super easy.
Copy as HTML Link for Firefox
Suzanne @ 175
Also invented Jeopardy! and never credited his wife with the reverse-question format, although ’twas her idea. Then became a hotel and casino investor. It’s hard to lose money when you own casinos, and he beat Trump out for several.
oddmommy @ 172
Lots of luck and drive and probably no morals or scruples. Wiki page.
Good evening dear friends.
I have a medical procedure scheduled for tomorrow morning, so I’m afraid that snack is a bit on the light side tonight,
I spend so much time reading all the comments, that I’m too late for everything. Still, thrilled to be here.
Chris
TexBetsy @ 186
Hope all goes exceedlingly well. And thanks for the snax!
dmac –
Don’t know how old you are, but if “older,” you could have gotten that impression right from Ronnie and Nancy. I recall when Ron Jr. joined the ballet, Raygun made it a point to say something to the effect of, “We checked him out — he definitely is NOT …. FUNNY.”
dmac @ 178
we are developing the twelve step program for dealing with fdl addiction right now, dmac. we work on it while the “refreshing comments” wheel is spinning…
TeddySanFran @ 188
Thanks.
I am guessing you didn’t click.
Oh, I didn’t tell you guys. I went out last night and I saw…Him. Dream boy.
Turns out he’s a drug dealer, apparently.
Kthxbai!
Christine Edmonson @ 187
It’s always exciting to hear we have breaking news for some Late Nite visitors!
PB (peanut butter) @ 182
Just keep in mind to only use a few words as the html link name. For the margins :)
Best wishes for tomorrow, Betsy.
TRex @ 192
Mr Pickup Truck?
The very one.
TexBetsy @ 186
Nothing too serious I hope. How’s things in Texas these days?
There’s someone on another forum, a man who says he knows homosexuality is a choice because it is one he struggled with, and he “made the right choice” and got married (to a woman).
I just had no idea what to say to him after that. I really wanted to ask, “Does she know?” He feels all good about himself for his ‘righteous’ choice. I just feel so bad for his wife.
Leave it to me to walk into a gay bar crammed to the rafters with eligible gay men and fall head over heels for freakin’ Scarface.
Suzanne @ 194
Ha! Actually, it should be okay, if you highlight a chunk of text, it will have spaces in it, so that the margins will be ok. Lots of time bare links break margins because the links themselves (not having spaces, etc) cannot be broken.
There’s a fix for that, actually, which I use, that simply truncates the display. The link works just fine, it’s simply visually cut off and margins stay good.
Thanks PB. I will try that utility as well.
TRex @ 192
From Dream Boy to Nightmare Boy in the blink of an eye. Sorry to hear it Trex.
Margot @ 199
Oh, lord.
Feeling any better, Suz?
TexBetsy @ 185
gotcha covered, TexB!
TRex @ 197
Well, at least we can move on now. Best, don’t you think, to know? Rather than pine away at home wondering, and reading Tiger Beat? *g*
just liquids huh, tex. fingers and toes crossed that this one goes as well as the other – and that you have benefit soon that is long-lasting.
TSF,
Any new, news? Baby 26 year old moving to Denver tonight, and we are sad. Love independence, until it happens to you.
Chris
TRex @ 192
Oops!
TexBetsy @ 186
Well, ah, at least there’s NO calories in it. Nice ice cubes, by the way.
DrDick @ 198
Preparing for another possible hurricane. Otherwise good. And in Montana?
TRex @ 200
Been there, done that, paid the price.
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 180
neopolitan fudge ripple.
TRex @ 192
How did you figure that out so quickly?
“Leave it to me to walk into a gay bar crammed to the rafters with eligible gay men and fall head over heels for freakin’ Scarface.”
TRex — I used to be that way, too. All I can say is … RESIST! I learned the hard way.
still have the headache, loohoo :(
TRex @ 200
It’s that “bad boy” aura. It’ll get you in trouble every time. I have had lots of friends (both gay and female) who just couldn’t resist them.
Margot @ 199
I’m sure they have lovely drapes.
althespook @ 214
In this heat, I’ve been scarfing down peach sorbet. YUM. Ahhhhhhhh….
Margot @ 199
Perhaps they met in one of those ex-gay programs. I often wonder if the co-ed aspects of those programs aren’t designed simply to match up those who’ve decided to “overcome” their wantonness with a happy heterosexual choice.
PB (peanut butter) @ 183
Thanks, PB!
well, that sux, TRex…
howdy all!
TexBetsy @ 212
Going up in smoke and getting ready for classes to start in a week. Cooler than it has been and a little rain tonight which helps.
Bush To Egyptian Resistance Fighter: “I Too Am A Dissident In Washington. Bureaucracy In The United States Does Not Help Change”
By the time he arrived in Prague in June for a democracy conference, President Bush was frustrated. He had committed his presidency to working toward the goal of “ending tyranny in our world,” yet the march of freedom seemed stalled. Just as aggravating was the sense that his own government was not committed to his vision.
As he sat down with opposition leaders from authoritarian societies around the world, he gave voice to his exasperation. “You’re not the only dissident,” Bush told Saad Eddin Ibrahim, a leader in the resistance to Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak. “I too am a dissident in Washington. Bureaucracy in the United States does not help change. It seems that Mubarak succeeded in brainwashing them.”
TRex :(
Better to find out now than after one in emotionally involved.
TRex @ 219
Who puts drapes in the closet?
He is apparently THE drug dealer. I said, “You know that guy?”
“That’s The Man, the Dope Man.”
And right then a couple of really shady looking characters walked up to him and asked him something and he nodded curtly and made a phone call. Then the three of them went straight for the exit.
I’ve been a part of enough drug deals to recognize one when I see it.
I still don’t even know if he’s gay or not, but I know that he sells drugs, which is enough to tell me to keep well clear.
Suzanne @ 216
You have my sympathy. All the smoke has given me a low grade headache (not to mention clogged sinuses, burning eyes, and a runny nose) for the last two weeks.
TexBetsy @ 186
Healthy, though. Best luck tomorrow.
“Perhaps they met in one of those ex-gay programs. I often wonder if the co-ed aspects of those programs aren’t designed simply to match up those who’ve decided to “overcome” their wantonness with a happy heterosexual choice.”
Don’t know if you meant this, but don’t you think some do this to be “presentable,” while never changing? That is, the husband still has boyfriends, woman still has girlfriends?
I’m curious about the speed of discovery, too, TRex. Was he selling?
But oh, god, he’s hot.
This one is cute:
Another Downturn: Bush Souvenirs In Crawford, Texas
By John D. McKinnon
Word Count: 1,138
CRAWFORD, Texas — For the last presidential election campaign, Norma Nelson Crow hung an 11-foot-long banner above her thriving souvenir shop here that said, “Bush 2004.” On election night, she and her employees celebrated by overlaying it with a new word, so the banner read, “Bush Wins.”
These days, another banner flaps in the hot August breeze: “Building for Sale.”
Ms. Crow’s store, Crawford Country Style, closed last October after 4½ years in business, as the flow of tourists arriving here for a glimpse of President Bush dried up. She says hundreds of tourists used to stop by on busy …
W: sadist.
TexBetsy @ 234
Nice to see a good news story for a change.
suz at 182 says-”I think there was a rumor about Ron being gay because he was a ballet dancer iirc.”
hi suz! yeah, i remember that, but what i was basing it on was an interview, that i just caught part of while i was doing something else, so half-listened/watched, was a few years back………thought it was him, obviously wasn’t–(sorry ron, if you’re reading this)
TeddySanFran @ 235
Though he did not run himself — WTF ???????
Fortunately last night, I had a fallback plan, which was to dance myself into a sweaty mess and not give a shit if my shirt came untucked and my face turned bright red and my hair went to hell. The way I like to dance, I have a choice of looking cute, or dancing, cos once I’ve danced for a half hour, I look like I ran a marathon. But once I decided that I wasn’t there to pick anyone up, the dance floor became a very attractive option.
TeddySanFran @ 234
incorrect noun. the correct one is Damned Fool.
These are the men who guard his life, and in fact are oath-sworn to give their lives for his. And he does this to them. Not just sick, stupidly insanely suicidally sick.
Everyone had a breaking point. Even secret service men. Chimpy’s handlers (whoever or whatever they are) should know better.
Speaking of openly closeted: http://www.boingboing.net/2007…..oud_o.html
why wasn’t the bush-wacker running with them? he looooooves to run – was it too forking hot for him but he still had the others run?
forking sadist
TeddySanFran @ 207
Too hot for one’s comfort, go back to Tiger Beat! …Be gentle, tho, don’t devour’em..!!! *g*
So, Bush was in a truck while the Secret Service members ran. Just for a contest.
Wonder if Al Qada was taking notes. Nothing like a panting, exhausted SS!
Suzanne @ 242
Hot AND humid in central texas today.
TRex @ 199
TRex, may I offer you some advice?
TexBetsy @ 237
Nasty Little Preppies do NOT run with the common swine, don’cha know? Really, how rude to suggest such a thing. No manners at all. You are NOT being invited back.
What is scarface like? Didn’t see the movie if that’s what you’re referring to.
By the way, I got a reply to the question I sent John Edwards, the question I didn’t get a chance to ask at YKos because he needed to call on a woman, just as he turned to me.
Here’s his answer:
Okay, but right afterward, I’m off to bed.
Margot @ 199
I think it was Howie Klein who said that Dr. John Barrasso, the new Wyoming Senator is getting married.
An insider’s guide to the upcoming week
from washingtonpost.com – Politics by Post
the clock runs out on the latest deadline for the White House to turn over materials regarding the National Security Agency’s eavesdropping program to the Senate Judiciary Committee.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..s_politics
TRex @ 249
Hope I haven’t missed you.
TeddySanFran @ 235
As if we needed further proof. There is no end to it, is there. Bet he was hoping some of them would keel over.
Wasn’t just SS runners – boosh likes to goad the reporters to doing it too.. forking sadist i swear
TRex @ 249
Look so (edit: go) there more often, w/o any agenda except to dance, and enjoy yourself. Don’t worry about anything else. Everyone else is probably checking some or more out. Just dance, and enjoy, and be yourself. Sooner or later, the right person will come tap you on the shoulder.
Loo Hoo. @ 247
Here’s wiki!
Teddy,
“…and all of the 1,100 other legal protections government affords married couples.” And howabout the 1,101 headaches it causes…! I’m all for equal opportunity pain…!!! *g*
OK, Suz, I’m ready for the Cuffs…!!! *g*
Steve-AR @ 251
yup
CTuttle @ 258
I have long said that we “breeders” shouldn’t be the only ones to suffer.
DrDick @ 260
Eggsactly…!!! ;-)
PB, how nice!
Thanks for the Firefox extension.
CTuttle @ 261
LOL!!
Valley Girl @ 256
…and he can always stagger home…!!! ;-)
So, Teddy, what did you think of Edwards’ response?
A few days ago, Christy — or was it Jane(?)– asked that we post information about whatever encounters we have had with our Congress critters during the current recess. I have done so here.
These were two Representatives who are both members of the Progressive Caucus. Rep. Mazie Hirono is, on most counts a true progressive, bearing the mantle of Patsy Mink. Abercrombie is an old-line progressive who has done some stupid things (like co-author a bill with the unlamented Pombo) and seems to be drifting towards Blue Dog territory, judging by his Progressive Punch ratings.
Abercrombie made an interesting point, after reciting the usual DLC talking points about why impeachment is off the table: What is off the table is impeachment of Cheney and Bush. Gonzales, however, may be a different story, and the ground on that possibility began shifting about a week ago. He didn’t say so, but I think that coincides approximately with the publication of FBI director Mueller’s notes about the infamous hospital visit, which contradict Gonzales on a number of important points.
Well, maybe that’s progress. Gonzales is the firewall for Bush & Cheney, and if he is removed, a lot of other things might start to shake loose. Speaking of which, I’ve updated the section of Priming the Pump relating to the impeachment of Gonzales.
Bob in HI
Teddy, you should do your Late Late Nite post about the Edwards response.
Well, I think I am off to bed. Take care of yourselves and enjoy the snark (just stay out of the closets).
Valley Girl:
“Look so (edit: go) there more often, w/o any agenda except to dance, and enjoy yourself. Don’t worry about anything else. Everyone else is probably checking some or more out. Just dance, and enjoy, and be yourself. Sooner or later, the right person will come tap you on the shoulder.”
I agree 100%. I have seen it happen endless times. If you look, you will likely NOT find the right mate. Just do your own thing, RELAX, and it will happen.
DrDick @ 267
night, Dr. (pause to shut closet door) Dick!
Sleep well Dr D
demi @ 265
…Run, Eddy, Run…!!! He’s the best of the Declared’s, I do D’clare!!! :-)
Bob Schacht @ 266
Be sure to send CHS an email (make the subject the summer you work for me tour) and let her know that way too please.
VG, that sounds like an excellent plan.
althespook @ 141
It’s likely that the people who live there don’t want it washed away either.
Hi demi! I liked Edwards honesty in his response to Teddy. He could have added that the country isn’t quite there yet, the womens’ and civil rights issues took a long while, and it could be political suicide to state that he approved of gay marriage. Not in the primary, but in the general. I thought the letter seemed genuine, thoughtful and considerate.
althespook @ 270
Heh, Nite DD!!!
TRex @ 273
Thanks, TRex!
TexBetsy @ 252
Ah, so. When Congress reconvenes, they can ponder that, together with whether or not to “fix” the FISA mess, no?
BTW, I’m beginning to like the idea of “fixing” the FISA mess by DOING NOTHING– and letting the da** thing expire. I’m afraid that if Reid and Pelosi try to “fix” it, they’ll wind up making things worse.
Bob in HI
Fern @ 274
there are PEOPLE there? I thought it was all automated now (99% of the parked domains on the Internet live in servers hosted on the caymans in rooms where no one ever goes except to change the flourescent lights)….
I had a boyfriend long ago who was very attractive, and got lots of male (and female) attention. He worked as a waiter in a small upscale place in Santa Fe and he would tell me about the various Hollywood types who came in and held hands with their male lovers, or who tried to pick him up, etc. I thought it was so weird that these supposedly straight men thought New Mexico was like another planet or something. As if we didn’t know who they were, or didn’t speak English or something.
The only one I can think of now is the guy that played Perry Mason and Ironsides.
Suzanne @ 273
Thanks for the tip!
Bob in HI
Bob Schacht @ 278
given that the redefining of “electronic surveillance” or whatever that gave Chimpy and the telcoes legal cover far more than they ever wanted was a dumbass mistake by the democrats,I tend to agree with you…
Margot, Raymond Burr?
New Thread With My Zed Ahead!
Hi back, Loo Hoo.
It took me a while to read all of the comments, but, I finally got here.
Edwards seems straight forward (pardon the pun) and honest to me as well.
And I agree that change does take such a very long time. Unfortunately for all concerned.
Bob Schacht @ 279
Scarecrow and EW, plus others, have seriously exposed the travesty of the FISA Cave-in(Retreat Mining within the House)…!!! 8-(
demi @ 265
I would like to back a candidate who thinks I should marry. Quite frankly, I’m counting on Elizabeth to change his mind. He’s committed to doing all a President can to get as close as we can.
But I’d still like him to marry us in the Rose Garden!
Also, new thread!
TeddySanFran @ 288
The sound of xtian fascisti heads exploding from the live coverage on cspan would make that well worth the price of admission, Teddy…
There’s a big difference between being in the closet and being a hypocrite. One is being private about one’s own sexuality, the other is actively harmful to other people. Using one’s power in the workplace to slime sexual favors is also reprehensible, and that’s true whether one is Mark Foley or a vanilla hetero.
I think we need to be compassionate to those of us who are still (to some extent) still in the closet for whatever reasons. I’m not sure where Anderson Cooper is on that spectrum, but I for one am not going to judge him.
Suzanne @ 284
That’s it. But I only had this old boyfriend’s word on that, and he died years ago of a heart attack, so who knows.
This I remember clearly from my mid-80’s NYC law school days. Circa 1987 — mainly downtown in both the east and west village — there was a series of posters and even billboards outing famous powerful people as gay. One of the subjects of these posters and billboards was Merv Griffin. Ole Merv never really denied it. Very serious people thought the posters were beyond the pale.
Hello;
There is no IRAQ anymore. Bush have divided it back to the pre 1920 British model. An article in the NYT by seven 82nd Airborne non coms gives the most realistic evaluation of the American occupation of Iraq, the dissolving of their government the tribal/religious fractionalization and the emergence of a possible Shite state aligned with Iran who were defined as the “Axis of Evil” by the Bush administration. Bushco has caused the political demise of a nation, destroyed the infrastructure and caused 4 million people to be homeless, 600,000 Iraqis slaughtered not to mention the death of 3831 of our brave troops doing their duty. He has elevated nuclear tensions an armed the disarranyed factions. Worse even yet he has destabilized the whole region, caused Americas international and national reputation to be in the sewer with torture and disregard for the Geneva Convention, and wasted our national treasury creating a mountain of debt unparalleled in our history. He has politicized our Judiciary and all branches of government illegally and against the Constitution. In deregulating the economy by appointing industry corporate officials the foxes guarding the hen house, he has pushed the economy to the brink of recession (”It’s the economy stupid”). He has brought our military to the breaking point while threatening to start another war with Iran. He has let escape Osama Bin Laden the chief of Jihad terrorism against USA and the instigator of 9/11. He has reduced our liberties and spying on us by satellite and our daily telecommunication which may be available to the RNC we do not know as he has thumbed his nose at Constitutional Congressional oversight by invoking “Executive Privilege” to stonewall thc U.S. congress and has installed an Attorney General and the Justice department as a “Firewall” against ‘We the People”. We are now more at peril of terrorism than ever and he has ignited the wrath of the 1.5 billion Muslims throughout the world. In doing this he has destroyed the reputation of the “grand old party”. Republicans of Barry Golwater ilk such as Jon Dean are schocked at their neocon right-wing extremists who show no restraint in stooping to political “dirt tricks”. If this administration is not held accountable a signal will be sent to future administrations that “the rule of law” is no restraint against immoral, unethical behavior and crimes against humanity. If extremism of the East is met with extremism from the West then the future of civilization is at the brink of annihilation.
This administration has shown no willingness to stop these actions. Impeachment by the US House of Representative, whether the Senate convicts or not, is now the only way for the American public and the US Congress to get to the bottom of who did what and what were criminal activities. This is an indictment of the far right who has united church and state against the wishes of the founding fathers who understood what devisiveness that has created. If we wish to continue to be controlled by a corporate oligarchy then Impeachment is off the table. If we wish to go back to democratic principals of transparent government by the people then we must Impeach this out of control administration who has abused their power and usurped even more power toward executive dictatorship.
thanks for the excellent reporting! once again it seems that the blogosphere speaks plainly about what we’re all aware of while the msm plays cover-up.
nevertheless i must say i’m a little surprised that the observations in this entry reads like “news.” isn’t it old news that powerful people remain in the closet mainly for strategical reasons, i.e. because they can have power as presumed “straight” people? visible queer folks can’t get very far, especially if we dissent from the HRC-sanctioned program of marriage etc. (and many of us do). shouldn’t, for instance, 10% of the house be openly queer, to reflect the population? it might, if being visibly queer didn’t scare the bejesus out of the rest of y’all. ;) of course, the queers are already there. we always are. but they’ve twisted themselves into “straight” mannequins.
hence the propensity of mogul-types like merv griffin to maintain a non-queer persona. queer people have understood this for a long, long time. we see it everywhere we go. anyway, i’m thrilled that this kind of reporting is appearing on firedoglake! once again the truly high-quality journalism appears here. but a friendly reminder to y’all non-queer leftists: this is old news. we queer folks are glad you’re picking it up. there’s much more where this came from. come into our world & make yourselves at home!
What a thread!
I go to bed and wake up to find a discussion of Merv Griffin’s closet lifestyle (and it IS a lifestyle) has turned into a roundtable on Nancy Reagan’s Giant Head!
Nancy homophobic? She’s one of the biggest Fag-Hags the world has ever known! Not as chic as Edie Sedgewick, and not as brilliant as Dorothy Dean (and who is?) but for YEARS her best pal was the late great society “Walker” Jerome Zipkin.
Back in the Golden Age of Hollywood Cary Grant and Randolph Scott shared Jerry Zipkin.
No this isn’t mindless gossip — Brendan Gill wrote about it in The New Yorker.
Yes, The New Yorker !
(Paul Schrader’s forthing come The Walker is largely inspired by Jerry Zipkin)
Whe Jerry died, Merv replaced him at Nancy’s side.
And with Michael Deaver dead, Poor Nancy is running out of both black dresses AND closeted gay men to gossip with.
Of course there’s always Barry Mannilow. . .
Honey, several years ago there was an entire A&E Biography on Raymond Burr, his closetedness, his invention of wives and children he never hand, and on and on. His surviving lover (who has the spread in Hawaii) is interviewed on the show.
But you needn’t look there. Just get the DVD of A Star is Born ( the one starring Judy — it’s the only one that counts) as the “extras” include a very good transfer of the kinescope of the live TV broadcast of the premiere at the Pantages theater. This is amazing in itself as it was the last great movie premiere of the Golden Age with everyone still alive back then showing up. And in 1954 that meant a ton of people.
Raymond Burr is there with his “beard” for the evening (a giggly starlet) AND the most drop-dead gorgeous sailor you ever saw — a Tom of Finland fantasy in the flesh. Burr actually
has the cojones to present this piece of trade to the TV audience (pure deer-in-the-headlights on the kid’s part) explaining “I’m just showing this fine young man some of the glamour of Hollywood.”
Anything you say, Ray.
Besides being the most unlikely-looking Big Ol’ Gay Homosexual you ever saw, Raymond Burr has proven to be a great inspiration to cross-dressing lesbians — Drag Kings.
I’m sure you all can see why.
Anyone who didn’t know Merv Griffin was gay obviously never watched his talk show. I realized it as far back as 1969.