Comments on: Seeds of Change http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/19/seeds-of-change/ Firedoglake weblog Tue, 24 Nov 2009 14:34:57 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: doug r http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/19/seeds-of-change/#comment-907657 doug r Mon, 20 Aug 2007 14:27:40 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/08/19/seeds-of-change/#comment-907657 <p><a href="#comment-906160"><em>perris @ 77</em></a></p> <blockquote><p><a href="#comment-906152"><em>Oklahoma kiddo @ 69</em></a></p> <blockquote> <p>You tell me.</p></blockquote> <p>whatever the figure, I believe wage increases need to be based on minimum wage</p> <p>if they think they deserve a raise they shuld be willing to make sure those that get the least also get a raise according to the same increase</p> <p>this will be exclusive, if minimum wage goes up that won’t neccessarily mean cogress salary goes up but if congress salary goes up it WILL mean minimum wage goes up</p> <p>how could a congress criter be against that plan?</p> <p>errr</p> <p>don’t answer please</p></blockquote> <p>A living wage for minimum wage would mean that more people could afford unsubsidized food, saving money all around.<br /> Trade agreements with enforced labor standards and unions would help ensure people worldwide could afford food as well.</p> perris @ 77

Oklahoma kiddo @ 69

You tell me.

whatever the figure, I believe wage increases need to be based on minimum wage

if they think they deserve a raise they shuld be willing to make sure those that get the least also get a raise according to the same increase

this will be exclusive, if minimum wage goes up that won’t neccessarily mean cogress salary goes up but if congress salary goes up it WILL mean minimum wage goes up

how could a congress criter be against that plan?

errr

don’t answer please

A living wage for minimum wage would mean that more people could afford unsubsidized food, saving money all around.
Trade agreements with enforced labor standards and unions would help ensure people worldwide could afford food as well.

]]> By: big brother http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/19/seeds-of-change/#comment-907442 big brother Mon, 20 Aug 2007 07:07:11 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/08/19/seeds-of-change/#comment-907442 <p>Hello;<br /> There is no IRAQ anymore. Bush have divided it back to the pre 1920 British model. An article in the NYT by seven 82nd Airborne non coms gives the most realistic evaluation of the American occupation of Iraq, the dissolving of their government the tribal/religious fractionalization and the emergence of a possible Shite state aligned with Iran who were defined as the “Axis of Evil” by the Bush administration. Bushco has caused the political demise of a nation, destroyed the infrastructure and caused 4 million people to be homeless, 600,000 Iraqis slaughtered not to mention the death of 3831 of our brave troops doing their duty. He has elevated nuclear tensions an armed the disarranyed factions. Worse even yet he has destabilized the whole region, caused Americas international and national reputation to be in the sewer with torture and disregard for the Geneva Convention, and wasted our national treasury creating a mountain of debt unparalleled in our history. He has politicized our Judiciary and all branches of government illegally and against the Constitution. In deregulating the economy by appointing industry corporate officials the foxes guarding the hen house, he has pushed the economy to the brink of recession (”It’s the economy stupid”). He has brought our military to the breaking point while threatening to start another war with Iran. He has let escape Osama Bin Laden the chief of Jihad terrorism against USA and the instigator of 9/11. He has reduced our liberties and spying on us by satellite and our daily telecommunication which may be available to the RNC we do not know as he has thumbed his nose at Constitutional Congressional oversight by invoking “Executive Privilege” to stonewall thc U.S. congress and has installed an Attorney General and the Justice department as a “Firewall” against ‘We the People”. We are now more at peril of terrorism than ever and he has ignited the wrath of the 1.5 billion Muslims throughout the world. In doing this he has destroyed the reputation of the “grand old party”. Republicans of Barry Golwater ilk such as Jon Dean are schocked at their neocon right-wing extremists who show no restraint in stooping to political “dirt tricks”. If this administration is not held accountable a signal will be sent to future administrations that “the rule of law” is no restraint against immoral, unethical behavior and crimes against humanity. If extremism of the East is met with extremism from the West then the future of civilization is at the brink of annihilation.<br /> This administration has shown no willingness to stop these actions. Impeachment by the US House of Representative, whether the Senate convicts or not, is now the only way for the American public and the US Congress to get to the bottom of who did what and what were criminal activities. This is an indictment of the far right who has united church and state against the wishes of the founding fathers who understood what devisiveness that has created. If we wish to continue to be controlled by a corporate oligarchy then Impeachment is off the table. If we wish to go back to democratic principals of transparent government by the people then we must Impeach this out of control administration who has abused their power and usurped even more power toward executive dictatorship.</p> Hello;
There is no IRAQ anymore. Bush have divided it back to the pre 1920 British model. An article in the NYT by seven 82nd Airborne non coms gives the most realistic evaluation of the American occupation of Iraq, the dissolving of their government the tribal/religious fractionalization and the emergence of a possible Shite state aligned with Iran who were defined as the “Axis of Evil” by the Bush administration. Bushco has caused the political demise of a nation, destroyed the infrastructure and caused 4 million people to be homeless, 600,000 Iraqis slaughtered not to mention the death of 3831 of our brave troops doing their duty. He has elevated nuclear tensions an armed the disarranyed factions. Worse even yet he has destabilized the whole region, caused Americas international and national reputation to be in the sewer with torture and disregard for the Geneva Convention, and wasted our national treasury creating a mountain of debt unparalleled in our history. He has politicized our Judiciary and all branches of government illegally and against the Constitution. In deregulating the economy by appointing industry corporate officials the foxes guarding the hen house, he has pushed the economy to the brink of recession (”It’s the economy stupid”). He has brought our military to the breaking point while threatening to start another war with Iran. He has let escape Osama Bin Laden the chief of Jihad terrorism against USA and the instigator of 9/11. He has reduced our liberties and spying on us by satellite and our daily telecommunication which may be available to the RNC we do not know as he has thumbed his nose at Constitutional Congressional oversight by invoking “Executive Privilege” to stonewall thc U.S. congress and has installed an Attorney General and the Justice department as a “Firewall” against ‘We the People”. We are now more at peril of terrorism than ever and he has ignited the wrath of the 1.5 billion Muslims throughout the world. In doing this he has destroyed the reputation of the “grand old party”. Republicans of Barry Golwater ilk such as Jon Dean are schocked at their neocon right-wing extremists who show no restraint in stooping to political “dirt tricks”. If this administration is not held accountable a signal will be sent to future administrations that “the rule of law” is no restraint against immoral, unethical behavior and crimes against humanity. If extremism of the East is met with extremism from the West then the future of civilization is at the brink of annihilation.
This administration has shown no willingness to stop these actions. Impeachment by the US House of Representative, whether the Senate convicts or not, is now the only way for the American public and the US Congress to get to the bottom of who did what and what were criminal activities. This is an indictment of the far right who has united church and state against the wishes of the founding fathers who understood what devisiveness that has created. If we wish to continue to be controlled by a corporate oligarchy then Impeachment is off the table. If we wish to go back to democratic principals of transparent government by the people then we must Impeach this out of control administration who has abused their power and usurped even more power toward executive dictatorship.

]]> By: MarkH http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/19/seeds-of-change/#comment-906714 MarkH Mon, 20 Aug 2007 01:19:29 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/08/19/seeds-of-change/#comment-906714 <p><a href="#comment-906233"><em>dmac @ 147</em></a></p> <blockquote><p>toby at 123-</p> <p>our farmer’s market takes food stamps. wednesdays and saturdays.</p></blockquote> <p>So, in retrospect, just how crazy was George McGovern’s plan (circa 1972) to give actual money to poor people?</p> <p>Maybe we oughta be giving people money cards and better education about food and nutrition.</p> dmac @ 147

toby at 123-

our farmer’s market takes food stamps. wednesdays and saturdays.

So, in retrospect, just how crazy was George McGovern’s plan (circa 1972) to give actual money to poor people?

Maybe we oughta be giving people money cards and better education about food and nutrition.

]]> By: MarkH http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/19/seeds-of-change/#comment-906690 MarkH Mon, 20 Aug 2007 01:06:35 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/08/19/seeds-of-change/#comment-906690 <p><a href="#comment-906200"><em>Oklahoma kiddo @ 114</em></a></p> <blockquote><p>In the last year a price of a loaf of basic bread in WalMart has gone from $.68 to $1.08.</p></blockquote> <p>Clearly no inflation there, huh?</p> <p>What kind of bread do you get for $1.08? I’ve been paying about $1.9x for a simple loaf of whole wheat bread. That’s a pretty big price difference.</p> Oklahoma kiddo @ 114

In the last year a price of a loaf of basic bread in WalMart has gone from $.68 to $1.08.

Clearly no inflation there, huh?

What kind of bread do you get for $1.08? I’ve been paying about $1.9x for a simple loaf of whole wheat bread. That’s a pretty big price difference.

]]> By: MarkH http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/19/seeds-of-change/#comment-906666 MarkH Mon, 20 Aug 2007 00:45:31 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/08/19/seeds-of-change/#comment-906666 <p><a href="#comment-906115"><em>rwcole @ 35</em></a></p> <blockquote><p>The “farm bills” are a total waste of resources as are the bills on ethynol- but neither party can win without the electoral votes from these grain belt states- so it will all continue.</p></blockquote> <p>Regardless of your view on this today, I have to wonder what effects the climate change might have on our ag business and how that is going to change the way government supports that industry.</p> <p>Supports grew (sorry the pun) out of the Great Depression era dust bowl and FDR’s attempt to regenerate the industry in the mid-west and to stabilize prices, so they could continue whatever the weather. I wonder how much of the raison d’etre is passe and how much of the crop supports IS purely political juice.</p> rwcole @ 35

The “farm bills” are a total waste of resources as are the bills on ethynol- but neither party can win without the electoral votes from these grain belt states- so it will all continue.

Regardless of your view on this today, I have to wonder what effects the climate change might have on our ag business and how that is going to change the way government supports that industry.

Supports grew (sorry the pun) out of the Great Depression era dust bowl and FDR’s attempt to regenerate the industry in the mid-west and to stabilize prices, so they could continue whatever the weather. I wonder how much of the raison d’etre is passe and how much of the crop supports IS purely political juice.

]]> By: selise http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/19/seeds-of-change/#comment-906357 selise Sun, 19 Aug 2007 21:07:20 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/08/19/seeds-of-change/#comment-906357 <p>wow. this is a great thread. so sorry i missed it, but am enjoying reading it now. thanks to siun and all.</p> wow. this is a great thread. so sorry i missed it, but am enjoying reading it now. thanks to siun and all.

]]> By: AZ Matt http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/19/seeds-of-change/#comment-906251 AZ Matt Sun, 19 Aug 2007 19:17:32 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/08/19/seeds-of-change/#comment-906251 <p>Siun<br /> This pdf. is the report of studies done around the country on food issues;<br /> <a href="http://www.ers.usda.gov/Publications/CCR31/CCR31.pdf">http://www.ers.usda.gov/Public...../CCR31.pdf</a></p> <p>It includes one I did and many others including spatial issues of supermarkets in poor areas.</p> Siun
This pdf. is the report of studies done around the country on food issues;
http://www.ers.usda.gov/Public…../CCR31.pdf

It includes one I did and many others including spatial issues of supermarkets in poor areas.

]]> By: Siun http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/19/seeds-of-change/#comment-906250 Siun Sun, 19 Aug 2007 19:17:25 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/08/19/seeds-of-change/#comment-906250 <p>Emptywheel up <a href="http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/08/19/another-turdblossom-smear/">above</a>!!!</p> Emptywheel up above!!!

]]> By: Oklahoma kiddo http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/19/seeds-of-change/#comment-906249 Oklahoma kiddo Sun, 19 Aug 2007 19:16:52 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/08/19/seeds-of-change/#comment-906249 <p><a href="#comment-906235"><em>Eureka Springs @ 149</em></a></p> <blockquote><p><a href="#comment-906200"><em>Oklahoma kiddo @ 114</em></a></p> <blockquote><p>In the last year a price of a loaf of basic bread in WalMart has gone from $.68 to $1.08.</p></blockquote> <p>Do you think the OK wheat farmer made 2 cents on that loaf?</p></blockquote> <p>The wheat farmers in Oklahoma are almost farming for nothing. They are learning a hard lesson about NAFTA, CAFTA, the WTO, red-state politics, and Bushonomics (price of diesel, etc).</p> Eureka Springs @ 149

Oklahoma kiddo @ 114

In the last year a price of a loaf of basic bread in WalMart has gone from $.68 to $1.08.

Do you think the OK wheat farmer made 2 cents on that loaf?

The wheat farmers in Oklahoma are almost farming for nothing. They are learning a hard lesson about NAFTA, CAFTA, the WTO, red-state politics, and Bushonomics (price of diesel, etc).

]]> By: Other Pat http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/19/seeds-of-change/#comment-906246 Other Pat Sun, 19 Aug 2007 19:13:37 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/08/19/seeds-of-change/#comment-906246 <p><a href="#comment-906211"><em>QuakerGirl @ 125</em></a></p> <blockquote><p><a href="#comment-906206"><em>Bay State Librul @ 120</em></a></p> <blockquote><p>How come Tony Snow’s $168,000 salary is not<br /> enough, WTF?</p></blockquote> <p>I think he took a big hit to his salary when he took the position. Anyone with input on this?</p> <p>Another issue - who knows how much personal expense he must take on for his medical condition. </p> <p>A third issue - it is not good to be in a negative stressful situation when you are trying to heal. Stress reduces the immune systems effectiveness. He can’t afford that more than a reduction in remuneration.</p></blockquote> <p>Could be he’s also looking ahead at college costs to have that secured for his children.</p> QuakerGirl @ 125

Bay State Librul @ 120

How come Tony Snow’s $168,000 salary is not
enough, WTF?

I think he took a big hit to his salary when he took the position. Anyone with input on this?

Another issue – who knows how much personal expense he must take on for his medical condition.

A third issue – it is not good to be in a negative stressful situation when you are trying to heal. Stress reduces the immune systems effectiveness. He can’t afford that more than a reduction in remuneration.

Could be he’s also looking ahead at college costs to have that secured for his children.

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