When I had a chance to meet with folks from the ONE campaign and Bread for the World recently, the conversation kept returning to “the Farm Bill” – which is up for reauthorization this year. Since this legislation only comes up for consideration every five years, this year’s actions have long term impact. And while we have a lot of work coming up this Fall with Iraq and FISA, the wide ranging impacts of the Farm Bill make it another critical piece of legislation and one I thought we could take some time this morning to learn a bit about.
A broad coalition of groups have been pushing for changes to the Farm Bill to make it a more effective tool for fighting poverty – here and in developing countries – and to make Ag policy more equitable. They’ve worked hard to get a Fairness Amendment passed in the House but the vote went against them 117 to 309. (You can see how your representative voted here.)
In mid-September, the bill starts to move through the Senate and the coalition is hoping that we’ll join in and help to push for better legislation to pass the Senate.
So what is in this Farm Bill and why does it matter so much? Shawda Hines of Bread for the World put together a great set of info points for us and she says it much better than I could:
This year Congress has been busy reauthorizing the U.S. farm bill. This legislation is about farms and farmers, but its scope is also much broader than agriculture. Farm bill policies and priorities touch everyone in this country and millions of people overseas–from food producers to consumers, and especially to people who struggle to put food on the table at all.
Programs included in the farm bill are:
- The Food Stamp Program, which helps 27 million low-income Americans with food assistance each month. (An estimated half of all U.S. citizens have used food stamps at some point in their lifetime.)
- Conservation programs that encourage farmers to be good stewards of the land and help curb negative environmental impacts of the modern agricultural practices.
- Rural development programs to help struggling rural communities, which actually have higher poverty rates than urban areas.
- The international school lunch program, which provides lunch to kids in developing countries as an incentive to attend school.
- Direct payments, loans and other forms of support to farmers who qualify.
The existing farm bill is outdated and fails to help the people who need it the most—struggling rural communities, farmers of modest means and hungry and poor people.
- Only a third of U.S. farmers even receive commodity payments–including fruit and veggie growers, who are not eligible at all. Of those who do get farm subsidies, the top 16% of farms receive 66% of payments and have average net worth of $1.8 million. (Meanwhile, a family of three must earn less $1,800 a month to receive food stamp benefits.)
- Our current commodity payment system supports a “get big or get out” business model. Our policies encourage overproduction, drive up land prices and force small-scale farmers out of business. Hundreds of rural communities are seeing record population loss, which results in fewer public serves, schools and hospitals in rural areas.
- Unfortunately, the farm bill has remained a competition to balance interests for commodity groups—not to help struggling families, especially in rural areas. There are 400 “persistent poverty” counties in our country, where the poverty rate has exceeded 20% for the past three decades. Nine out of ten of these persistent poverty counties are rural. And many of these counties include the biggest subsidy recipients in the nation. Clearly, billions of dollars in commodity payments are not trickling down to the majority of rural residents.
Now is our chance to make historic improvements to the farm bill. The farm bill must:
- Ensure low-income people an adequate, nutritious diet
- Strengthen rural communities (people who live in rural America are more likely to experience hunger and poverty than their urban counterparts)
- Help farmers earn a sufficient, sustainable livelihood and be good stewards of the land
- Allow small-scale farmers in poor countries to earn their way out of poverty
What the House Farm Bill has touted as “reform” is not reform at all. Their bill would NOT:
- end payments to millionaires.
- shift significant resources to programs that help farm and rural families of modest means.
- reduce the negative impact of our commodity subsidies on struggling rural families in Africa and other poor parts of the world.
- guarantee additional funding for nutrition assistance to hungry families in this country.
Shawnda may be able to join us in comments this morning – and Bread for the World’s site has tons of more good information. And as we get closer to the Senate taking up the bill, the team from Bread for the World is interested in visiting with us and discussing how we can help press for better legislation – working to end hunger and ensure better food policies certainly seems like one of those core progressive values we firepups care deeply about.
If you haven’t heard of Bread for the World before, you might like to check out their site. They’ve been highly effective and true grassroots activists for many years. Based in church communities around the US, they’ve built a network that manages to cross a lot of traditional boundaries to fight for social justice. We can learn a lot from their organizing experience and great ideas – and hopefully work with them in the coming fight over the Farm Bill.
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zed!
yeay!!!!!! my first zed in a month!
Thank you Siun. This bill is HUGELY important. I’m so glad you posted on it.
Hey Cassie and Laura!
Yep … I’m just starting to get up to speed on the Farm Bill and thought we could all study it a bit together. Happily the folks from Bread for the World have great info and would like to help us learn.
What else do they grow? Why aren’t they eligible?
The Farm Bill only pays commodity payments for five big crops:
The farm bill includes commodity payments, which are cash payments made to farmers growing mostly five crops—corn, wheat, cotton, rice and soybeans. Commodity payments are supposed to protect farmers from low prices by making up the difference between a target price and the actual market price.
Siun are they gonna mess with the breakfast and lunch program for school? That was 90% of the food I ever got in 4th and 5th grade. Kids will be REALLY hungry without that.
Cassie – my understanding is that they’re not cutting back on school meals but they’re being asked to expand those programs here – and as part of overseas foreign aid.
Is this the same program that was paying dead farmers for years, since no one checked into who was getting the payments?
The hope is that with some good pressure from all of us, the bill can help more people with real need by placing more of the funds in the programs that help people in need – not millionaire mega-farmers with no need.
One thing that cuts across party lines here in Oklahoma is the farm subsity program. We don’t like welfare for the rich ag people.
Siun @ 10
Can’t there be a few people in the Bush administration that aren’t allergic to competency? Just a few, please.
Farm subsity. Bad. Tax breaks for the oil companies. Bad.
Hi everyone. Siun, thank you for bringing this to our attention. One hears about things like “the farm bill”, or the “highway bill”, or some such, and, sad to say, it’s almost part of the background noise, what with everything else going on. The fact is, there is a hell of a lot of money being spent here, and, properly reallocated, it could do much good.
Thanks again.
TheOtherWA @ 12
But it isn’t a lack of competence. It is just evil.
TheOtherWa – sadly the vote against the Fairness Amendment was not just from Republicans … see the link above.
Here’s a link to more good info on the Farm Bill – from Oxfam.
The Democrats are just as much to blame for farm welfare as are the Republicans.
Siun this is new to me. Tell me if I understand. What you want is for them to make a NEW farm bill and not re-auth this one. Right?
I am from a small farms state — Connecticut. These are the folks I want to see supported.
That being said, I must comment on your picture. It wasn’t the plant I focussed on; rather, the hands and arms — absolutely beautiful representation of worker/life-giver. I don’t know who it is, but it could be my great-grandmother a century ago. Thanks.
Looks like a child’s hands to me.
I’ve been saying this since day ONE when we found out the president refuses to let anyone know what information he’s gathering
they’ve used their office to gather treasure, to gather international treasure and to gather domestic treasure
THEY ARE STEALING
they are stealing our information, they are stealing the information they need to create more profit for themselves, they are stealing the information they need to hold it over the head of people that oppose them
this is why we have to start asking the questin;
WHAT IS THE PRESIDENT HOLDING OVER NANCY PELOSI’S HEAD
I can think of NO reason she does not seek impeachment, this president is DESTTOYING this country, the notion that “she doesn’t have enough votes” IS REDICULOUS
we HAVE the votes for impeachment, that is a TRIAL
in the senage is where we MIGHT not have the votes, but I repeat;
THIS IS A TRIAL
and the president’s crimes MUST be brought to the bar of justice
IF there are policians that won’t vote to remove this president from office after the evidence is presented, they will loose their set in the next election
there is NO WAY nanncy can claim “there aren’t enough votes” before the trial, she has NO CLUE if there are enough votes
the president wants to steal our infomation without anyone to check have he is gathering
this is NOT acceptable and it’s ABOUT TIME we started questioning pelosi’s motives
keeping impeachment off the table
Cassie – the push is not for a block on authorization but for amending the bill to do more good things.
The links to Bread for the World provide a lot of background – as does the link to Oxfam.
My thought is that we can all do some studying … and then talk again as the bill starts to move through the Senate and help these good groups put pressure on to get a better result than we got in the House.
Every mornig I take a head count of how many kids will be eating breakfast and lunch in our school cafateria (almost 100% every morning). All the kids K-12 get two good meals at no charge per day. That will continue no matter what. A hungry kid cannot learn.
Perris
We don’t have the votes for impeachment- not even close. If the issue came up for a vote- we’d be lucky to get half of the dems voting “aye”. It just isn’t gonna happen.
Child’s hands or grandma’s, it’s that rich soil I’m jealous of. I’ve got sand…everywhere. After 14 years of composting…it’s never what I envision it should be.
Anyway, thank you, Siun. I’d heard some griping about the farm bill and now I see why.
rwcole @20
I was focussing on the knuckle of the left thumb which looks reddened and work worn. You may be right — but it looks to me like a young worker’s hands (teens — 20s) and female. Yikes, I hope I am not insulting anyone but I really love the picture.
If ironranger is here, I left you a comment at the very end of the last thread.
gc
It’s a great picture..The person must be fairly young- age shows up in the hands first.
Did you know that Ronald Reagan as Governor of California, paid no taxes, on the basis of tax loopholes he took advantage of in connection with out of state cattle herds he had an interest in; cows that he never saw?
oops, my post was suppsed to go downstairs, sorry siun
gchaucer – I like it too. I took it from the Bread for the World site since it just seemed to embody all the issues involved.
gchaucer2 @ 19
Some groups supporting small farmers with creative conservation and landuse measures are actually liberals. Check out American Farmland Trust, http://www.farmland.org .. many (not all, but many) of their members consider themselves to be progressives or at least not rethugs. Groups like that combine entreneurial/innovation training and programs with creative land-use management techniques, and legislating local authorities to pass laws and enact policies which preserve farmland and help small farmers.
BTW, off topic, but I was compiling some info for somebody on coal mining dangers, and went to the website of Murray Energy, http://www.murrayenergy.com/ .. the rethug company whose mine collapsed in Utah… instead of putting a heartfelt message of condolence and regret on their website… appears to have simply taken their website offline altogether. Evil slime molds.
could someone remove my double post please
~~~ModNote: Done.~~~
Just to clarify my point (which really isn’t a point): my great-grandmother a century ago would have been a young teen to maybe around 20. She was a farmer from a farmer’s family. Bottom line is, the hands and arms are beautiful.
The “farm bills” are a total waste of resources as are the bills on ethynol- but neither party can win without the electoral votes from these grain belt states- so it will all continue.
ugh..sorry.. that link I posted in #32 isn’t working for me… Here it is again
http://www.farmland.org/
rwcole @ 35
yeah, and then they say that their support for ethanol is actually proof that they support alternative energy/are concerned about global wrming and expect us to believe them. The two have nothing to do with each other.. if they support green energy technologies, they should be talking about renewable technologies and, more importantly, about conservation. But that just ain’t the American way…
rwcole @ 24
we don’t have the votes in congress because nancy isn’t making it an issue
it is an issue and SHE has to gather the votes, which is what the constituents want…this is her job after all, defending the constitution
in addition, now that we have the information that I’ve been telling everyone since day one, that the president is stealing trade secrets, I believe we can even get the corporate world to sit up and start challenging this man in office
the wheels MUST begin to turn, we MUST bring these activities before the bar of justice
in congress agri-business rules…here in jersey lots of small farms have bit the dust…
All you people who barely make it from paycheck to pacheck. How does it make you feel to know that Congress persons get paid about $160,000 per year, not counting perks for a 3-4 day work week? Paid vacations, sick time, medical bennies, and the month of August off every year. And there are all the other Congressional holidays too. And lets not even get into all the tax loopholes (subsities) Congressional “workers” enjoy.
$12,000,000,000 a month for war.
My great grandmother was a farmer too- potatoes were the big cash crop- fruit was mostly for domestic consumption..
I never saw her hand planting anything though..
Great woman- a scottish immigrant- buried her sister at sea on the way to America- lived first in Minnesota and learned the drill for dealing with indian attacks- which was apparently to go hide.
rwcole, siun and blub:
Thanks for your comments. Didn’t mean to throw off the thread which is terrific.
@blub — I have noticed quite a bit of advertising of late for Connecticutgrowers. I have changed my buying habits completely to purchase from local farms (the state is pretty small).
Thanks to everyone here. I lurk 99% of the time because it is such a terrific “foul-mouthed fem-blog.” I’m here several times a day even though I rarely comment. Too many folks more knowledgable than I am and I learn a lot.
Damn, you have spell check (d’oh — I didn’t notice before). Great feature.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 40
I actually don’t have a problem with congressmen getting paid that much.. numerous studies have shown that when politicians and guv’mint workers don’t make enough money to support a lifestyle commensurate with their level of education and experience, then corruption (of the outright bribery kind) goes way up.
Wanting and demanding our politicians to do a better job is a good thing, but expecting them to work under penurous conditions while doing a good thing will hurt a lot more than it will help. And, as we’ve seen with Reid & Pelosi’s efforts, forcing them to work more hours alone doesnt’ necesssarily lead to a better outcome.
Pay them well, hold them accountable.
gchaucer – welcome to comments and keep speaking up!
I lived in CT for a long time and there were amazing farm stores … now I’m in Chicago but happily our neighborhood hosts a twice weekly farmer’s market so we just stroll over and get great stuff from local farms.
rwcole@ 43: I never knew my great-grandmother except through pictures. Her family were dairy and vegetable crop farmers in Maryland. My father’s mother is Scotch-Irish (although he swore for years she was born in Ireland). No farming there — just Democratic ward politics in Baltimore.
Cheers for great-grandmothers and farming families.
Blub @ 44
Teachers, cops, firefighters, etc…:
Pay them nothing and blame them for everything.
But I take your point.
Monsanto and their patents:
http://www.greenpeace.org/inte…..patent-111
Congresscritters should probably make $250k or so. Their jobs are certainly worth it if you use the criteria of the private sector.
Pay em well but throw their asses in jail for stealin ONE PENNY.
These days, digging in the dirt is the only thing keeping me sane and on an even keel. Drinking liberally isn’t even doing it anymore.
I just came in for an AC break and now I’m gong back out to kneel down and put my hands in the earth.
rwcole – do you really think that “farm bills are a total waste of resources”? When I look at everything that is included, I think we need to make sure those resources go to the right people and programs – but not that we should get rid of them altogether. Curious about your thinking there?
newtonusr @ 47
Notice I said “and guv’mint workers”.. that applies to all of those you mentioned. I support paying government workers, including educators and public safety people, well. If we aren’t, then we should be raising their salaries, in my idea of a just and effective country.
@siun
One of the great things in big cities like Chicago and NYC are the greengrocers with relatively local produce. I’m in the “great” city of Torrington (the only big city in Litchfield County — and still, happily, blue collar). I’m encouraged to see the promotion of local farmers — especially after the China food scares and people actually getting educated about the environmental (including toxic) impact of produce shipped at great distances.
I’m an attorney and love this site for the legal/political analysis. Thanks to all.
wangdangdoodle @ 50
Me too. I went out to weed yesterday, and got attacked by every bug known to man…I got fireants on my shoes and had to sprint to the door kicking off my shoes. With all the rain we’ve had and the heat, it’s hard to stay out there.
My great grandmother used to let me sit on the potato planter and simulate planting a crop. Unfortunately, the thing was a rusted out hulk- there had been no cash crop for decades. Still I guess I got a little feel for farm life- saw the neighbor bringin the cows in.
Went out one day to find her house- which had originally been on several hundred acres- it was squeezed into a typical suburban footprint- stuck out like a sore thumb surrounded by “ranch homes” on postage stamp lots.
It’s gone.
Blub @ 52
Agreed. But funny how some government workers split off from the others. C’Critters throw dung at my list of the chosen.
Yes. Congress persons sure do work hard. $160,000 per year. Just peanuts. Try telling that to the WalMart clerk. Or the woman who takes your order at the local Denny’s. Or the person who washes the dishes or changes your sheets at the Best Western.
Siun
I really don’t know what all of the farm bills are- not an expert at all. Probably many are important- don’t really know.
wangdangdoodle — sheesh ( press fifty one and it comes up fifty-two — must be the cheese doodles in the keyboard)
I envy you digging in the dirt. I am in an apartment and tend porch plants — the sweet 100s tomatoes will overwhelm me in a couple of weeks — salsa time! Dirt is more satisfying than alcohol — not so much re: sex (unless it is sex in the dirt).
Cassie: Please check the previous thread for a comment to you at the end. :^)
Relative to this thread, factory farming is an abomination in the manner and types of farm production methods used. Did you know, for example, that any one can walk into a feed/ farm supply store and purchase an 8 oz vial of penicillin G procaine? Farmers who weight the cost of veterinarian visits and treatment against using antibiotics indiscrimintately are the norm and not the exception. Trying to find commercial feed without antibiotics and hormones as additives is difficult.
Factory farms for livestock often look nondescript because the animals are confined for their entire lives (known as production spans) inside windowless “barns” which are simply warehouses where the animals cannot walk or turn around so as to keep muscle tissue tender and to minimize the development of sinew, tendon and ligaments.
When people were connected to the land and to food production, this would never be acceptable. But the farther one is from the actual production of food, the more ambiguous and murky the understanding of food production practices. The 4-H county fair experience IS NOT how your food is produced.
gchaucer – Torrington! ah, know if well … lived for a short while in Morris with cows as neighbors.
I don’t think the soldiers in Iraq get $160,000 per year.
all i know is that small farms are going quickly….where’s the subsidies for them? just asking
OKK
How much do you think congresscritters should make?
rwcole @56
Yikes — are we related? My great-grandmother’s farm in MD is not track housing except for the original farm house. It is heart breaking since there was no one in the family who wanted to carry on the tradition.
ADM-super gop market to the world didn’t exist when I was a kid.
Other than supporting local farms, I am also paying attention to the FDA’s and Ag Dept.’s bogus concept of what “organic” means.
Juslin – that’s exactly the point – folks working on amending the Farm Bill want to shift funds to small farms and away from the factory farms.
when you factor in the congresspersons perks… its more like $250k per annum plus lobbyists favors – they do very well…
GC
Well my Great Grandmother’s farm was in what is now a suburb of Portland, Oregon (Tigard). It’s now a favorite yuppie neighborhood.
rwcole @ 64
You tell me.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 57
Not the same thing. People in the private sector are paid what the market thinks their labor is worth, and, unless you’re a rethug, the government is explicitly not the private sector.. nor should it be dictated by the same market forces. I’m not a rethug.
I take yoiur point about soldiers. That’s why I support universal conscription. Paying them too well would be like giving people like Dick Cheney mercs to do their bidding. Paying them badly, leads to bad soldiering and unprofessional conduct. The answer, for me, is to pay them a decent wage, but also make everybody have to go through it.. or at least a non-military civil defense/public security equivalent.
Siun @62 — you will be happy to know that Morris remains rural with a contingent of cows. I travel through it often on my way to Candlewood Lake. Only New Milford (which still has some great small farms) is growing too fast.
Well, cheers from the non-moneyed region of Litchfield County.
OKK
I just did above- I was interested in your opinion- but nothing requires you to give it. I thought that since you feel so strongly about it you probably have one.
http://thenexthurrah.typepad.com/the_next_hurrah/
OT, Marcy has a new post on the FISA Kabuki by the democrats.
Hurricane watchers may find this interesting. Webcams in the potential landfall area in Mexico:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/19/132317/992
i support my local organic farm by buying shares – i’m hoping this helps keep this farm afloat but i dont know if thats enough… farms need lots of support
rwcole –
How wonderful and sad — two different coasts with a common history and unfortunate present. My only experience in Oregon was camping in the 70s (cross country). One of the most beautiful places — fog shrouded along the coast (too many logging trucks). It seemed as if it were raining from a cloud 1 foot above my head. Very fond memories.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 69
whatever the figure, I believe wage increases need to be based on minimum wage
if they think they deserve a raise they shuld be willing to make sure those that get the least also get a raise according to the same increase
this will be exclusive, if minimum wage goes up that won’t neccessarily mean cogress salary goes up but if congress salary goes up it WILL mean minimum wage goes up
how could a congress criter be against that plan?
errr
don’t answer please
gc
Well the log trucks are mostly gone now..They were never an impediment to transportation- they always wanted to drive twice as fast as the traffic.
CARE Turns Down Federal Funds for Food Aid
This was an article from the NYT’s this last week.
Thanks everyone for the informative article and comments. I have been waylaid from looking at the rest of the FDL stories since last night.
I thank you for letting me in on your conversation and promise to be less than a lurker. I’m annoying in the intertoobz only part of the time.
FITZ FIX!!!
rwcole @ 72
I think strongly about most things.
I don’t have a problem with Congress getting decent pay.
I don’t want the only people able to even consider taking a job in politics being uber-rich, thus not needing to worry about the pay at all.
rwcole @ 49
Congresscritters (and other governement workers) are privy to a great deal of inside business information of which sometimes they take advantage. For example, they may know if and when a merger may occur, who is getting a contract and who is not, which real estate parcels will increase in value, which will not.
Questions of ethics arise from such activities, but we know that these are not the most egregious acts that occur. A congresscritter can not merely take advantage of info he may be privy to, he can also directly assert his influence toward his own benefit.
Then there are the lobbyists and gifts.
If a congresscritter earned a bigger paycheck, he would not necessarily become an angel. IMHO, he would at least continue to keep abreast of government activities that may benefit him and move his chips accordingly.
The unfortunate irony here is that price supports go all the way back to the New Deal. They were instituted as a means of providing an income floor for poor farmers. Gradually, they metamorphosed into a cash cow for large corporate farms and for Wall Street gentleman ranchers.
But, I would wonder about the figure of two-thirds of benefits going to 16% of farmers and then stating that average net worth of those is $1.8 million. The latter tends to awe non-farmers, but, if one has a 500-acre family farm, a couple of tractors, a combine, the usual assortment of other farm equipment, along with a decent house and cars, and your net worth will be about $1.8 million, given that decent farm land is appraised in a lot of places at $2500/acre–or more.
I’d like to see the commodity support share for the really big corporate farms, say, the top 5% in terms of net worth, and the share for farms that are not being worked as farms–the rent-a-cow operations.
The worst thing about industrial farming methods to me is the drugs: as pointed out above, the wholesale use of antibiotics is rampant. The forces of evolution continue, and the fastest way to breed resistant bacteria and other microorganisms is to over-use antibiotics. This creates all sorts of possibilities, beginning with plague supergerms.
Having worked in international agricultral development as a Peace Corps Volunteer – Kenya/Costa Rica, I believe that the dumping of US agricultural surpluses into international development work is counter-productive. It is fine for things like immediate famine relief but not for long-term development work.
AZ Matt – great link and added info! Thanks!
AZ Matt @ 79
It’s about time they started doing this, with virtually all of shrubco’s “aid” being tied to the non-funding of family planning programs and outright good ole’fashioned Christian prosletizing… Thanks to generations of neglect culminating in shrub’s patronizing malice, we’ve totally lost Africa.. NYT had an article a couple of months ago how our influence there, under shrubco, is going from near-zero to sub-zero. They’re looking to China/East Asia and Europe/Central Europe for development inspiration (and the stress there is on investment and development, not the aid racket). We have no place there. For us, it’ll stay the “dark continent”, because we prefer to live in the dark.
Siun @ 88
Siun,
Here is the link to the CARE Whitepaper: White Paper on Food Aid Policy
Most public school teachers I know would work for 1/2 the pay and work twice as hard as many, perhaps most Congress persons would.
Interesting that Rove doesn’t recall Patrick Fitzgerald’s name after testifying 5 times.
LS @ 92
He’s conditioned his neurons to say “I have no recollection” every time anybody mentions testimony.
Crazy flood rescues going on right now on CNN.
LS @ 92
hard to believe
mroe likely his little brain can’t handle the dance it has to make when being asked something close to a serious question
or he just wanted to insult the prosecutor
one or the other, but not remebering isn’t one of the choices here
hackworth – there’s info in the congressional testmony available at the BfW links on the breakdown of megafarms, etc.
From the CARE Whiterpaper:
LS – just watching that … and have my favorite Jamaican talk radio station streaming as Dean rolls towards that treasured land:
http://www.go-jamaica.com/power/
WASHINGTON – White House political adviser Karl Rove said Sunday he sees encouraging signs for the GOP in the public’s strong negative opinions of Democratic presidential front-runner Hillary Rodham Clinton and the Democratic-run Congress.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20346718/
AZ Matt – that’s so important since the imported food aid overwhelms local farm options and the so much of our subsidies lower costs to our farmers who then can sell to overseas countries at lower prices then their own farmers can produce at – even with shipping.
In 1977 my family reclaimed 600 acres from a renter and decided to farm it on their own. That year the renter still had african americans in the fields chopping cotton by hand.. I was twelve years old that year an insisted I be able to work for 11 dollars for a half days work with everyone else.. It was brutal work.. crop dusters sprayed us over and over (dioxin was used in those days)..birds dropped out of the sky either violently ill or dead by the time they hit the ground.. rabbits would appear out of nowhere in the same condition. But we chopped on.. the people were wonderful even with chemical soaked bodies, bleeding blistering hands and snakes everywhere, we worked on in song and silence..
It was the last year that farm looked like a hundred year old plantation.
I could say a lot of things about farming in the US today but the few wrongs I consider most important which continue today..
We are draining the aquifers and killing our soil while repeatedly saturating everything in horrible chemicals.
Prices remain low while production rises due to genetically altered seed and controls set by the commodities markets not the farmer.
The family farm is almost gone.. we need it back.. We need to support families who actually know and live on the land they actually farm. We need far more diversity in crops grown on our lands..and we need to support those farmers who grow much more of our foods close to home..
The Farm Bureau in Arkansas is a very powerful lobby which of course supports very large family farms and massive corporate farms as radically as the NRA defends certain absurd gun issues.
An example.. the AR Farm Bureau is the sole lobby which will not allow our state legislature to pass cruelty to animal (like pet dogs) protections. I guess a few farmers still want to conduct dog and cock fights with only misdemeanor threats over them..and they want to be able to shoot random lost dogs.
This lobby has enormous reach and power far beyond farm issues and I would imagine many other agri lobbys around the country are similar.
LS @ 94
they are trying hard, but they are playing “Coast Guard” and don’t know what they are doing… it is hard to rescue people without killing ‘em.
they are scaring the hell outta me…
Oklahoma kiddo @ 40
It means we are in the wrong careers. We should join Congress and also be in contraband.
Eureka Springs – wow.
I see that Neugebauer voted against the Fairness Amendment. He’s been out in his district (in west TX) b*tching about how bad the Farm Bill is for it. Given that it isn’t a wealthy area, and that many of the farmers are small (at least not corporate Big Ag), you’d think he’d have a clue!
Siun @ 98
Thanks for the link!
ES – WoW!
LS – I listen whenever a storm threatens my hearthome … and learn so much from the amazing people who staff that station and talk their neighbors through the storm … we can all learn a lot from them
More global warming means an increase in storms and an increase in storm intensity. An increase in storm activity will also have an impact on farm production. Here in Oklahoma where cotton is still king we are are hurting because of very unusual cooler temps and much more rain than we usually get. Cotton and wheat production is down as a result. Gore for president.
Eureka Springs @101
This is worth repeating again and again. Every time we go to the supermarket we need to remember this truth. We eat three times a day. We need this post three times a day. It beats table prayer.
Westchester County, NY District Attorney Janet DiFiore switched parties this week…
She switched from Republican to Democrat.
Angels 1, Devils 0
also LS … you can track a lot via the wonderful folks at Jamaicans.com:
http://www.jamaicans.com/forum…..38;fpart=8
great community of jamaicans in country, diaspora and friends … and you can practice reading patios!
Are there levees or dams in the Kingfisher, Oklahoma area, because the size of that flood is mindboggling, as well as the depth of the water?
In the last year a price of a loaf of basic bread in WalMart has gone from $.68 to $1.08.
LS @ 113
You live in Oklahoma? We have had major rains the last two days here in SW Oklahoma.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 114
That’s because they can’t bake bread in China.
P J Evans @ 105
Well, you see PJ, they fooled those same people into voting in the rich and already powerful for the last several elections so if the formula worked before, why change it?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 115
No, I live in Texas, but Kingfisher Creek area is having HUGE flooding problems…people on rooftops being rescued…live on CNN right now.
one way to help the smaller farms is to provide fiscal support for the county extension offices………the county extension agent is where farmers go when they have questions and problems with crops……and for new ways to farm…and livestock issues…and as an interface and resource for farmers…….they also sponser 4h and family issues in the community……what all they do is too long to list……i am treasurer for the master gardeners, so i am in there a lot, and you wouldn’t believe what an impact our local ext agent has on our local economy…….there are people in and out of there all day, and the phone rings off of the hook…….we are rural…..
our local office funded in part by the county commisioners…….
a few years ago, they were cutting money, because the state cut money, and i went to a commisioner to get a copy of the proposed budget to find some somewhere……few days later, the money was given back to the ext office, he went to bat for them…….
i honestly don’t know what the farmers around here would do without our extension agent……and yet we almost lost him due to funding in our poor county. it is a state-wide problem, some counties have to share an agent now………
How come Tony Snow’s $168,000 salary is not
enough, WTF?
Bay State Librul @ 120
Maybe they never gave him an RNC bonus or something…
Bay State Librul @ 120
Because when it comes to these bastards there is no such thing as enough.
Siun – One of the real problems I see with the Food Stamp program is that they are just like money and can be spent for anything. At the same time, poor people many times, no matter where they live, do NOT have access to a real grocery store. So, they end up spending their Food Stamps on stuff that is cheap, filling, but not nutritious. I recall- and it might have been a thread here – where someone tried to live on one day’s worth of food stamp purchases and had to eat potato chips and pasta. And people wonder why there is an obesity problem in this country. In the closest city to me, one whole section of the city did not have a grocery store at all. In order to get to one, the residents (who are mostly poor and elderly) needed to drive across town (if they had a car, which most could not afford) OR, they had to spend an hour on the public transport to get to the store, which turned grocery shopping into a two fare, half a day operation. They pleaded with the local farmers market people to set up a farmer’s market just for them just so they’d have access to some fresh fruits and veggies every once in a while.
I am currently doing a sudy on the effects of outside foods in changing the Hopi traditional diet. Did 2 focus groups last week with Hopi women on what changes they have seen. A couple were cooks at the local elementary school many years ago and said they were required to cook with alot of hamburger.
The 1949 farm bill inserted language that the Secretary of Ag will make available surplus commodities for school lunch programs and Indian Tribes.
Bay State Librul @ 120
I think he took a big hit to his salary when he took the position. Anyone with input on this?
Another issue – who knows how much personal expense he must take on for his medical condition.
A third issue – it is not good to be in a negative stressful situation when you are trying to heal. Stress reduces the immune systems effectiveness. He can’t afford that more than a reduction in remuneration.
dmac @ 119
I am the Univ. of Arizona Cooperative Extension agent on the Hopi Reservation so I know what you are saying about tight funding.
LS @ 118
We have just been notified from our phone-ISP and DTV server out of Kingfisher that due to flooding in Kingfisher, we may lose our services. Strange weather here. And My people in the Lone Star State are worried. Are you getting rain?
AZ Matt – you might want to also contact the Oneida Nation here in New York State. I read at some point that they had set up a program to look at the connection between “Non-Oneida traditional foods” (i.e., White Man’s food, process grain-based diets) and diabetes, which is rampant there.
Toby … the lack of decent grocery stores in poor neighborhoods is quite a problem. I used to see this in New Haven, CT where those with transportation shopped on the edges of town at the big supermarkets but anyone in town, esp in certain neighborhoods, would be hard pressed to shop anywhere except the small markets who jacked up all the prices.
When I was on Food Stamps – with two kids in New Hampshire – we got about $300 per month which was a super big help but still mighty hard to stetch to real meals.
Toby Wollin @ 128
Thanks for that info, will look into it!
pj at 105 says-”I see that Neugebauer voted against the Fairness Amendment. He’s been out in his district (in west TX) b*tching about how bad the Farm Bill is for it. Given that it isn’t a wealthy area, and that many of the farmers are small (at least not corporate Big Ag), you’d think he’d have a clue!”
my reps have spent almost all of their time promoting it……that, and hospital visits……don’t know what’s up with those…….anyone have an idea on that one? the hospital visits?
QuakerGirl @ 125
Thanks, a fourth, maybe he can’t take lying
anymore, with Bush’s bullshit and delusionary
thinking
At the same time Toby, you can’t spend food stamps on “anything” – it must be food and it can’t be things like alcohol or cigarettes … can’t remember all the NH regs but it’s not like you can just take your stamps and go wild. Just to clarify.
QuakerGirl @ 125
http://youtube.com/watch?v=EqP3wT5lpa4
hmmmm god is mightily displeased with us here in america or should i say those who claimed god put them in power ;o}
Oklahoma kiddo @ 127
No rain here. Erin looked like an inland hurricane on the radar up in OK. They just said on the news that if the river crests at 28 feet this evening around 7PM, 50 blocks of the town of Kingfisher will be flooded. How far are you from there?
Bay State Librul @ 120
hehe.. well, when you act like a koolaid drinking true believer, nobody sees the point of bribing you. Why bother, when you just roll over and give ‘em exactly what they want without their even having to ask. Maybe that’s his problem.
AZ Matt @ 130
There was also, as I recall from a few years back, a study being done (which may be ongoing) on diabetes/obesity/diet relationships among the Pima. If you’re not aware of it, check with them–they’re closer to home.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 99
Are you keeping in mind that it’s always opposite day for Karl?
Affluent areas get the best grocery stores. I was one of the first people to move to SOMA many years ago. There were many low income people there especially retired folks. There was not one supermarket. There was a liquor store a block away. These were around. Maybe they carried milk, processed cheese and chips. That was it. Rows and rows of liquor, though.
I had to get on the one public bus (three blocks away) to get to a supermarket. 112 pound me had a tough time carrying two bags of groceries. I swore every time I shopped. So, I ate at restaurants for lunch and on my way home from work. That was expensive.
Now the area is gentrified and upscale. There is a terrific Whole Foods plus other supermarkets and farmers markets. What a difference! It pays to have money.
montag @ 138
I know some folks down that way. There is also an organization at the Tohono O’odom rez, TOCA(TO Community Acton) that has been involved in the issue of diabetes and traditional foods.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 114
You shop Walmart?
While in grad school- my family qualified for the “abundent food” progream- it was all stuff that the US was supposedly growing too much of- so the govt. bought the food from the farmers- a win for them- and gave it to us.
The allocations were monthly and always included flour, rice, and pasta as well as corn syrup as a sweetner- canned fruit and veggies- and canned meat. Butter and (really bad) cheese- rounded it out.
You could live on it for a month- nothin fancy- but if you knew how to bake and cook- it wasn’t bad.
Toby Wollin @ 123
Potato chips cost more per pound than the finest steak.
We raised massive amounts of rice, wheat, cotton, soybeans, milo, sorgham, sunflowers and green beans.. Sometimes tripple crop rotation in one year..
By the end of ‘82 it was clear to my family who experienced bumper crop years and one drought in ‘81.. that even with small subsidies on a couple of years the risks were to great and the return on the best of years were nominal. That means farming basically a square mile of tillable land with irrigation available at that time on 80 percent of the acreage would not support one small family who farmed it… This is truly absurd and we must reform in some way our commodity system. (hello Chicago)
An ernormous (record crops on all but one hot dry year) amout of food produced by one small family living at the bottom end of middle class lifestyle could not subsist modestly without losing everything gained over generations.. So we went back to renting to farmers who managed giant agri operations (well over ten thousand acres)..eventually selling the land a few years later.
The family farm in AR and many other parts of the US is gone and we were fortunate becaue we sold out unlike many who lost theirs.
Don’t even get me started on how awful this whole process has been on the african americans who worked on and lived off the family farms for so long..
QuakerGirl @ 140
Just so you know, Whole Foods is just another corporatist entity, no different from any of the other corporate entity juggernauts which are destroying our country. See here.
toby at 123-
our farmer’s market takes food stamps. wednesdays and saturdays.
Once upon a time, there were two brothers. Paul was a journalist, crusading against political corruption, and Art was a pastor worried about the poor and hungry. Paul ended up moving from journalism into politics, eventually ending up in the US Senate. Art also moved into politics, becoming the founder of Bread for the World.
The Simon family has much to be proud of.
Great post, Siun!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 114
Do you think the OK wheat farmer made 2 cents on that loaf?
LS @ 136
We are about thirty miles north, of the Texas border, about a mile and a 1/2 east of the Red River, south between Altus and Lawton. Kingfisher is about one and a half hours North d/t. I crossed the north fork of the Red River a few ago, and the water is just below the bridge.
Loo Hoo. @ 139
Oh yes. ;0)
I’d love to shove Senator Clinton down Mr. Rove’s ugly throat!
I buy flour for 20 pounds for five dollars at costco and a year’s supply of yeast for under $4. I make bread for 25 cents a loaf. If I use the bread maker- it takes only minutes.
There’s no excuse for starvin in these United States- boneless pork loins for $2 a pound.
costco doesnt accept food stamps – dont understand this – bulk foods but no foodstamps awful
neither does bj’s
azmatt at 124 says-”I see that Neugebauer voted against the Fairness Amendment. He’s been out in his district (in west TX) b*tching about how bad the Farm Bill is for it. Given that it isn’t a wealthy area, and that many of the farmers are small (at least not corporate Big Ag), you’d think he’d have a clue!”
i remember seeing a show about that subject years ago, maybe late 90’s……was about a study someone did, focus was on the diabetes rate, native americans on a reservation…and diet change from traditional foods…gosh, i wish i could remember the name of it…….was probably on pbs……
can still picture the people, but not the name of the show…..
if it comes to me, i’ll let you know……
Thanks Peter! and neat info about the founding. Sometime in September I think David Beckman who is the Director of Bread for the World will join us in a discussion – he and I were on a panel together and he’s amazing. I’m looking forward to firepups getting a chance to talk with him!
sangemon @ 146
You can say that again. I give them the “cheat your customer” award while you throw your collective heads back and laugh at the fools rushing to be fooled.
azmatt at 126 says-”I am the Univ. of Arizona Cooperative Extension agent on the Hopi Reservation so I know what you are saying about tight funding.”
HOW COOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you do great things!!!!!!!!!!!!!
howdy!
Siun – yes, I know that Food Stamps can’t be used for alcohol and cigarettes. The issue really is that if you don’t have “real food” (and by that I mean fresh meat, fresh or frozen or canned veggies, fresh or frozen or canned fruits and whole grains and whole grains bread products) available to you because you are poor and therefore no supermarket wants to touch your neighborhood with a ten mile pole, then all you have available to you unless you can hitch a ride or spend the time on the bus is what you can find in the local convenience store. It is very expensive to be poor.
QuakerGirl @ 125
Could be he’s also looking ahead at college costs to have that secured for his children.
Eureka Springs @ 149
The wheat farmers in Oklahoma are almost farming for nothing. They are learning a hard lesson about NAFTA, CAFTA, the WTO, red-state politics, and Bushonomics (price of diesel, etc).
Emptywheel up above!!!
Siun
This pdf. is the report of studies done around the country on food issues;
http://www.ers.usda.gov/Public…../CCR31.pdf
It includes one I did and many others including spatial issues of supermarkets in poor areas.
wow. this is a great thread. so sorry i missed it, but am enjoying reading it now. thanks to siun and all.
rwcole @ 35
Regardless of your view on this today, I have to wonder what effects the climate change might have on our ag business and how that is going to change the way government supports that industry.
Supports grew (sorry the pun) out of the Great Depression era dust bowl and FDR’s attempt to regenerate the industry in the mid-west and to stabilize prices, so they could continue whatever the weather. I wonder how much of the raison d’etre is passe and how much of the crop supports IS purely political juice.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 114
Clearly no inflation there, huh?
What kind of bread do you get for $1.08? I’ve been paying about $1.9x for a simple loaf of whole wheat bread. That’s a pretty big price difference.
dmac @ 147
So, in retrospect, just how crazy was George McGovern’s plan (circa 1972) to give actual money to poor people?
Maybe we oughta be giving people money cards and better education about food and nutrition.
Hello;
There is no IRAQ anymore. Bush have divided it back to the pre 1920 British model. An article in the NYT by seven 82nd Airborne non coms gives the most realistic evaluation of the American occupation of Iraq, the dissolving of their government the tribal/religious fractionalization and the emergence of a possible Shite state aligned with Iran who were defined as the “Axis of Evil” by the Bush administration. Bushco has caused the political demise of a nation, destroyed the infrastructure and caused 4 million people to be homeless, 600,000 Iraqis slaughtered not to mention the death of 3831 of our brave troops doing their duty. He has elevated nuclear tensions an armed the disarranyed factions. Worse even yet he has destabilized the whole region, caused Americas international and national reputation to be in the sewer with torture and disregard for the Geneva Convention, and wasted our national treasury creating a mountain of debt unparalleled in our history. He has politicized our Judiciary and all branches of government illegally and against the Constitution. In deregulating the economy by appointing industry corporate officials the foxes guarding the hen house, he has pushed the economy to the brink of recession (”It’s the economy stupid”). He has brought our military to the breaking point while threatening to start another war with Iran. He has let escape Osama Bin Laden the chief of Jihad terrorism against USA and the instigator of 9/11. He has reduced our liberties and spying on us by satellite and our daily telecommunication which may be available to the RNC we do not know as he has thumbed his nose at Constitutional Congressional oversight by invoking “Executive Privilege” to stonewall thc U.S. congress and has installed an Attorney General and the Justice department as a “Firewall” against ‘We the People”. We are now more at peril of terrorism than ever and he has ignited the wrath of the 1.5 billion Muslims throughout the world. In doing this he has destroyed the reputation of the “grand old party”. Republicans of Barry Golwater ilk such as Jon Dean are schocked at their neocon right-wing extremists who show no restraint in stooping to political “dirt tricks”. If this administration is not held accountable a signal will be sent to future administrations that “the rule of law” is no restraint against immoral, unethical behavior and crimes against humanity. If extremism of the East is met with extremism from the West then the future of civilization is at the brink of annihilation.
This administration has shown no willingness to stop these actions. Impeachment by the US House of Representative, whether the Senate convicts or not, is now the only way for the American public and the US Congress to get to the bottom of who did what and what were criminal activities. This is an indictment of the far right who has united church and state against the wishes of the founding fathers who understood what devisiveness that has created. If we wish to continue to be controlled by a corporate oligarchy then Impeachment is off the table. If we wish to go back to democratic principals of transparent government by the people then we must Impeach this out of control administration who has abused their power and usurped even more power toward executive dictatorship.
perris @ 77
A living wage for minimum wage would mean that more people could afford unsubsidized food, saving money all around.
Trade agreements with enforced labor standards and unions would help ensure people worldwide could afford food as well.