People who talk about masculinity — especially conservatives, who seem to obsess about it, but in a peculiarly juvenile way — have always seemed a little weird to me. It’s like the cliche retort the wealthy like to use: “If you have to ask how much it is, you can’t afford it.” Masculinity is one of those things where if you have to talk about it, you’re never going to get it. And the harder you try, the less a man you become.
So I enjoyed something of a low, mordant chortle the other day when Jane picked up, from Instaputz, something that Dr. Helen (the spouse of our old friend [ahem] Glenn Reynolds) wrote at her blog:
I have seen this fear of manliness in many modern husbands and fathers. Some men today are afraid of appearing like their own fathers, whom they thought of as unfair, controlling or condescending to women—the son swears he will not act the same way. Unfortunately, he often goes to the opposite extreme of letting his wife or others run all over him. These men are often doing dishes, watching the kids and earning much of the money all the while feeling guilty if anyone is unhappy with them. If you think this may be your problem, I have a couple of suggestions. Pick up a copy of How To Be a Man by John Birmingham and learn how to gain more self-confidence in being a man. In addition, get The Dangerous Book for Boys and build a treehouse, make a go-cart or learn to engage in fun activities that will make you appreciate how much fun it is to be a man. Ignore the societal pressures and male bashing and practice carrying yourself with pride until it feels real.
You see, for the past six years, while I’ve been editing my blog and writing my books, my primary job description has been stay-at-home father for my daughter, Fiona. She turned six earlier this summer and will start first grade this fall, so I’ve gotten a real job again and have spent much of the summer ruminating on what it’s all meant.
And I have to tell you: it’s been without question the most satisfying and rewarding thing I’ve done in my life. When I shuffle off this mortal coil, it will be with the knowledge I really did accomplish something worthwhile, and nothing — certainly not sneers from the haplessly ignorant — can take that away. The idea that it is not a masculine thing to do just seems absurd and incomprehensible to me.
Perhaps more to the point, it’s only confirmed my belief that it’s an experience more men need. It’s important not just for making men better fathers, but I think also for making women better mothers — and most of all, for giving child-rearing the cherished and significant place it should have in broader society.
My wife Lisa and I did it this way partly because, though we intended all along to have children, we wanted to do so when one of us could stay at home. I’d seen too many friends and colleagues knock themselves out to juggle child-care schedules, paying exorbitant amounts of money to have someone else do what I already knew from personal experience (when I was a teenager, I had to learn child care to help raise my then-baby brother) would be the most important and rewarding job they’d ever have. So we waited until one of us was in a position to stay at home — and that opportunity arose in 2000-2001, when I decided to step away from my work at MSNBC and try freelance writing from home for a living. Lisa was still at Microsoft, and we’d paid down much of the mortgage on our home, so we had decent revenue and low overhead.
Of course, plans never quite work out the way you envision them. The reality of caring for an infant made me quickly realize that I could no longer do daily freelance work, which entailed running to event scenes and conducting interviews and taking calls at all hours, while caring for a baby who needed regular feedings and naps and constant care outside that. (Try doing a phone interview with a baby in a Bjorn on your chest sometime.) So within a few months I’d shifted gears, focusing on writing books, which I could do evenings and weekends when Lisa was home, and about a year after that, I started blogging, which I found I could do during naptimes and playdates.
As the months and years added up, and I spent days on end at playgrounds, gymnasiums, swimming pools, and in playdates, it became plain that there really is a certain amount of resistance among a lot of people to the concept of stay-at-home daddies. There often was an assumption that I was a divorcee getting to play with my daughter on a custody date. Because I was an older father (I was 44 when she was born) sometimes I was asked if I was her grandfather (I really loved that one, as you can imagine).
And even though a lot of women thought it was neat that a man was being the primary caregiver, there was still a certain amount of resentment directed my way, from a lot of women, over my invasion of what for them was their territory. Some of this was perfectly understandable; when Fiona was a toddler, the topics of conversation among the gathered mothers often veered into various complaints with such bodily functions as breastfeeding and yeast infections and that sort of thing, and I of course was not just utterly incapable of conversing on these matters but felt like I was invading their privacy as well, so I made it a habit to wander off at such moments.
And there were moments — whispered comments, offhand remarks — where I was reminded that a lot of people, both men and women, privately viewed stay-at-home daddies as wimps or out-of-work losers. Sort of like Dr. Helen.
Well, all this melted into insignificance in the daily reality of raising a child. It’s impossible, I think, to put into words the immensity of the rewards that come with it: you watch them grow in body and spirit, become real little persons with real minds and dreams and desires all their own, and you bond with them in a way that lasts for life and maybe beyond. I’ve done many good and rewarding things in my life, but none of them — not even marrying a great woman, or publishing three books, or building up a good blog, all of them great things — has meant quite as much as being Fiona’s daddy. What other people thought, really, hardly mattered at all, because I knew what the score was. Certainly, it never seemed to me that my masculinity might be at stake.
Some of this has to do with how I was raised — which is to say, in an extremely masculine environment in southern Idaho. I was raised doing things that a lot of people like Glenn Reynolds and Dr. Helen seem to regard as the essence of masculinity: handling guns, hunting, fishing, being a woodsman, learning to be a hunter/provider from the time I was able to talk. I was a capable fisherman by the time I was 8, and I shot and gutted a deer when I was 12.
When I reached working age, I found work that was similarly male-dominated: a farmhand hauling irrigation pipe, a welder/mechanic in a farm-machinery factory, roller and chip-spread operator on a road-construction crew. These jobs put me through college, where I shifted from my blue-collar upbringing to white-collar world.
It’s tempting to say that this shift provided me with my first encounter with men who actually were concerned, consciously, about their masculinity, but it would not be true. Certainly, there seemed to be more of them, but I’d been encountering them from my early years too.
I remember camping out with my dad and his buddies during deer-hunting season and encountering these kinds of men then, too. They were always the guys who had to drink the most, carry on the loudest, and make a competition out of everything, especially to see who could shoot the first buck and who got the biggest one. They were the kinds of guys you really hated hunting with, because they were terrible woodsmen and even worse companions; they were the ones who always forgot some critical camp item, and the ones who would accidentally knock your meal into the fire. Mostly, there was always the chance they were going to shoot their own fool heads off if not yours.
I later knew men like this in the working world too. It always seemed like they were also lousy fathers and husbands. They’d whack their kids and their wives, and were usually more interested in going out drinking with the guys than doing anything with their families. They were abusive and boorish louts, and they largely formed the opposite of my notion of what it meant to be a man.
In my world, these kinds of men were half-men, because masculinity was all image and show and petulance to them. Being a real man, the way I was taught by other men — in that silent way that cannot be communicated in mere words — meant being a whole man. Men like that — well, they had their moments and could be fun to be around. But you always knew they were missing something.
So I grew up masculine because I knew in my bones what I was, first of all. I never thought much about it because maleness lies in the doing and the being, not the thinking. I did without thinking things that I now realize many people view as masculine not because they made me manly, but because they were in my nature. I don’t fish or camp or kayak now because they’re manly, but because they’re what I do.
And in all those years of doing “manly” things — including, I guess I should add, my roustabout bachelor years chasing women, which happens to also be when I learned how to be a good cook and to clean my house (ahem!) — I’ve never encountered anything that came close to making me feel like a “real man” as being a daddy. I never felt more manly than in moments like those captured in the top of the post.
Obviously, it was also incredibly fun (and still is). I used to joke with the other mothers at times that this was their great secret: that being the stay-at-home parent was the best job on the planet. Some of them smiled wryly at this.
Certainly, more men ought to be stay-at-home dads because they’d find, like me, that not only are they good at it, but it’s the best job they ever had. But I also think we need to encourage more men to become caregivers because it’s in the best interest of all of us.
Caring for children teaches us patience and generosity — forces it upon us, really — and that makes better men, regardless of what John Wayne or Dr. Helen might say. Masculine men (that is, if your notion of maleness is about strength and drive) also bring a groundedness and confidence to the table that I think nurtures children in ways that women often do not.
Encouraging stay-at-home fatherhood makes for a healthier society in a lot of ways. It makes better men of us because it makes us better fathers. That in turn makes for better-rounded children who are going to be better citizens. It also helps women whose goals might extend beyond family-rearing reach those goals. It makes more equal partners out of us, and I think makes for a stronger marriage.
I suspect, in fact, that part of my being enthralled with the job had to do with its being somewhat special if not unique — sensing that in many ways, I scored extra points (in the great Parenting Game in the Sky) just for doing it. But this also made me realize that women don’t get those extra points. They’re expected to do the child-rearing, and so for them the job often loses its specialness, at least insofar as getting some recognition and respect for what they do. It seemed to me that being a stay-at-home mom becomes drudgery for many women, and that is a sad thing, really. Yes, it is hard work, but it’s great work.
Raising children — especially in their first six years — is something that a sane and healthy society should celebrate as one of its most cherished and celebrated jobs. It’s how we shape our future, and that is a task for men and women alike, equally. It’s a task to be embraced, not delegated to the back bench, as do so many boorish, insecure men — the half-men I’ve known since childhood — and the women who enable them. Women like Dr. Helen.
Along the way, I hope, we’ll learn to discard foolish old notions of masculinity — the kind you get in half-baked reactionary books and articles, as though reading such things could actually make a man out of you — that have more to do with insensate petulance and self-absorption than with being a real, whole man.
And it will be the children themselves who show us how.





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Not to mention making better daughters and sons. Thanks for a beautiful post.
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Hi David!
Excellent piece, David!
I, too, was a stay-at-home dad during my daughters toddler years, and am now, during her teen years, a single dad. I concur with you completely. Nothing else I’ve done in my life (and, not to blow my horn too loud, I’ve done quite a lot) has given me more satisfaction, joy, and sense of accomplishment. Despite the crap that some people threw my way about it.
What a wonderful essay.
Totally out of place on a foul-mouthed fem-blog, but wonderful just the same. *g*
Thank you, David.
Republicans who talk tough against homosexuality as a way to prove masculinity prove something else entirely.
Caring for children is not a matter of gender.
Look at THESE Manly Men!
Great post David, I think I will call up my Dad.
(Teddy, I love the laughter you bring to my life)
David and the CatBus!
What a treat this is!
Here’s a MANLY Republican.
I’m a stay-at-home dad, as well, doubly so with my son and a hanai son! My son is medically home-schooled due to being BP 1, and, I’m paid by the state to take care of a troubled teen’s son, whom I’ve known since the womb!!! *g*
I’m married to the quintessential Mr. Mom, and he’s the manliest man I know. Right Mr. LS? I know you’re out there lurkin’ ;>
Here’s another MANLY specimen. In fact he was so MANLY he had overnight sleepovers at the White House. (Where only the MANLY roam.)
Albert Fall: One of the things I meant to point out more explicitly is that people who promote these notions of masculinity are telling us more about themselves than they think. And it ain’t pretty.
None More MANLY Than These Two!
Are they MANLY enough?
Wonderful post David. The hunting buddy angle really brings it home for this woodsman.
I wonder if I spotlight this to Tweety if he would even get the irony?
Thank you, David. A delight to read and full of promise. This is so terrific for children. I had a Dad who loved to take his girls to the Rose Garden, on the Merry-Go-Round, take them to dancing school and participate where other dad’s just wouldn’t. He wasn’t a hunter – couldn’t stand to see an animal suffer.
As a daughter of such a man it made a difference to me as well as my sister. Macho isn’t the criteria we use to measure a man but rather sensitivity, encouragement, a reader, being well informed, self-motivated, ethics and putting others first. To this day she and I talk about how fortunate we were to have this man as our Dad. What are the odds of this ever happening again?
A MANLY Man of God (God being REAL Manly, in spite of that Gay Son of his)
I’m not gay.
But I’ll camp out and hang out with anyone.
Isn’t this post about children?
Speaking of two stud muffins, I’m watching Gregory and Turd Blossom on MTP, it’s aired in the PM here in the isles! Any word on the Dem debate???
Nothing MANLY about these two I’m afraid
Or maybe it’s just the dog.
A MANLY Pope — and his not so manly boyfriend
I have noticed a bunch of commercials in the last couple of years, that depict the “man of the house” as an idiot. Hon….why is the toilet plugged up…are your socks in there??? Hon…Hon…Hon…(Jeez, STFU already lady) and get a life.
The latest “nag ad” I’ve seen is the woman who berates her husband (who clearly has a hearing defiency) for listening to the teevee too loudly, and she yells at him, while she’s talking on the phone with a friend or something. WTF is that? That is a “women are biatches” kind of ad, and the men they are married to are stupid victims…
This shows up in all shapes and forms.
Who says John Travolta isn’t MANLY?
That’s a MANLY kiss — isn’t it?
David Neiwert @ 16
One of the hidden mysteries of writing is that the author, regardless of the subject or objectivity, self-reveals. We always know more about the writer than his/her subject.
Quaker Girl: Well, I don’t hunt anymore either, and for at least partially the same reason as your father (though I had to experience it to learn it). The other part has to do with predominance of yahoos in the woods these days. It’s just not safe.
I am an older first time father too. My son was born last June. I was 46. My wife and I do all our own child care. We will not subject our son to day care. We enjoy him very much and we juggle our schedules accordingly. I was asked if I were my son’s grandfather too!
You are 100 percent correct. The significance of traditional societal roles should be superceded by what works best. Manliness cannot be learned from winger books. Any man that is concerned about how manly he appears to others has got bigger problems than he realizes.
The MANLY Broadway Show Queen — and “Torchwood” superstar
My husband is a kind and helpful man, adored by our three daughters, who have lamented the fact that they couldn’t find anyone like him. He is easy to live with too, which I think is hardly ever mentioned by the experts on manliness. Thanks for a great post, David. Fiona too will look for someone like you and probably have to settle for someone not quite as wonderful.
Cut from the MANLY “High School Musical 2″
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAXPGtpZvQI
And I loik it too!
Manly dad! Congratulations. You’re going to see lots of changes coming up soon with little Fiona. It just keeps getting better as little girls grow up. (Age 15-17 is a test, however!)
Wingers only wish they were manly.
Our MANLIEST author — and friend.
hackworth @ 30
Well said…!!! ;-)
A MANLY Handshake
NOT Manly
Manley-men, holding hands:
http://politicalhumor.about.co…..hhands.htm
David – thank you not just for what you say about masculinity but also about parenting. It is a wonderful job and more men *and* women should have the chance to do it full time. I was lucky to be in a position when my two were young (now 28 and 21) to be at home with them for several years and for all the ups and downs, it was a blessing – for them and for me.
Loo Hoo. @ 35
Been There, Done That…! Currently there, too!!! *g*
Children need love.
I realize the attributes of a ‘man’ which go into my definition of what it means to be a man, which I define myself. I am a man. And I know it.
Spudboy, I am the MANLIEST of Men. The better part of my 60 years has been spent doing the MANLIEST thing of all –
Making love to other men.
And each and every one of them was MANLY!!!!
A few years ago my husband and I and our two kids and his mom were out eating breakfast on a Saturday morning. Next to our table was a group of 10 or so guys, ostentatiously praying and yacking it up–a Promise Keepers meeting. One of them came over and tried to proselytize my husband to join them. He said, “excuse me, I’m actually WITH my family, I don’t need a group to figure out how to do that.”
Manley men singing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMsnqQHOwFg
David Ehrenstein @ 46
David Ehrenstein @ 46
David Ehrenstein @ 46
707
The idea that it is not a masculine thing to do just seems absurd and incomprehensible to me.
raising children is not masculine or feminine…its human.
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Great post! You said a lot of truths in it.
LS @ 48
Heh, the epitome of manliness…!!!
Great post – with you 100%. I was a single Dad for several years and now married with two more little ones. My wife stays home with the kids and is now getting back to work a bit (freelance writing 2 days a week wherever there is WiFi). One of the many reasons I wish that there was more income equality between the sexes is that if my wife could earn what I do, the decision of who would stay home would be based on something other than simple economics. Nonetheless, I know that one of the toughest, most rewarding, least appreciated jobs is the stay-at-home childrearer – to say that shooting a deer makes someone tough & manly seems ludicrous by comparison…
David Ehrenstein @ 27
Is that his jogging partner from when he lived at Spruce Creek Fly-In or is that the waiter from the restaurant across the street from the gym in LA? Will John John go out like Merv?
David E, you crack me up. Manly is as manly does, n’est c’est pas?
No one will go out like Merv. Few have THAT much money.
I didn’t want to be a barber anyway.
I wanted to be a lumberjack!
Leaping from tree to tree as they float down the mighty rivers of British Columbia… The Fir! The Larch! The Redwood! The mighty Scots Pine! The plucky little Aspen! The great limping rude tree of Nigeria! With my best gal by my side, we’d sing, SING…
Oh, I’m a lumberjack, and I’m okay
I sleep all night and I work all day
Mounties: He’s a lumberjack, and he’s okay
He sleeps all night and he works all day
I cut down trees, I eat my lunch
I go to the lavatory
On Wednesdays I go shoppin’
And have buttered scones for tea
Mounties: He cuts down trees, he eats his lunch
He goes to the lavatory
On Wednesdays he goes shoppin’
And has buttered scones for tea
All: He’s a lumberjack, and he’s okay
He sleeps all night and he works all day
I cut down trees, I skip and jump
I like to press wild flowers
I put on women’s clothing
And hang around in bars
Mounties: He cuts down trees, he skips and jumps
He likes to press wild flowers
He puts on women’s clothing
And hangs around in bars?!
(A brief, confused pause)
All: …He’s a lumberjack, and he’s okay
He sleeps all night and he works all day
I cut down trees, I wear high heels
Suspenders and a bra
I wish I’d been a girlie
Just like my dear papa
Mounties: He cuts down trees, he wears… high heels?
Suspenders… and a bra?!
Wants to be a girlie?!
Poofter! Bloody poofter!
Pinko commie fairy faggot…
HIS GIRL: Oh, Bevis! And I thought you were so RUGGED!!
(footsteps, door slams)
He’s a lumberjack, and he’s okay
He sleeps all night and he works all day
He’s a lumberjack, and he’s okaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay…
Sleeps all night and he works all day!
My daughter is the Princess. She is my existence. And God help anybody who tries to harm her. I will go all the way to protect her.
David at 26
I am glad you have found happiness.
I am still concerned about children who cannot find happiness because they are abused physically or psychologically.
I’m a bit concerned about posting photos of gay Republicans and suggesting they’re not manly on account of their sexuality. Would Mr Ehrenstein like to explain why he thinks being gay makes, for instance, Jeff Gannon less manly?
David, thanks for sharing!
I’m always on the look out for positive male role models for the kids. Sometimes hard to find.
Dr. Zen: Trust me, he doesn’t.
And Speaking of Merv!
That’s for him and his very good friend Karl Rove to explain.
I had to go visit a friend in the hospital this mornign so I didn’t catch Rove’s Sunday Talk Show appearances. I imagine he was deluged with questions about Jeff Gannon’s overnight White House stays, right?
Manley Daniel..sigh:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yJv8y75Iwk
My daughter is grown now. What I wouldn’t give to go back and spend just one night holding her in my arms and walking and singing her to sleep when she was a baby.
Brief De-Lurking by Al the Spook:
The stuffed toy that is used as the photo for this excellent post is called a Neko-Bus (cat bus in japanese.) It is from what I consider to be the most wonderful video animation for children and adults a like ever made, My Neighbor Totoro by Hiyao Miazaki. It is distributed by Disney here in the US of A and come both subtitled and dubbed into various languages.
Can’t reccommend it highly enough.
It’s one thing for adults to be whoever they are sexually.
It’s another for an adult to force his or her sexual orientation or practices upon a child.
The notion that childrearing is a feminine responsibility is a fairly recent one. Until the Industrial Revolution, that job was usually left primarily to fathers. Instahack probably considers the Founders pussies… it would fit his tissue-deep understanding of history.
My woman, Lahoma, knows I’m her man. End of story.
Some enchanted Manley:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..mp;search=
What more manly thing is there to do, especially as a father, is to cuddle, comfort, play, discipline, teach, and support your child or children? None. Walking into their house on my son-in-law’s birthday two weeks ago, where did I find him? In the kitchen doing some dishes BY HAND! complete with suds & all. When he finished, he came in, scooped up the 20-month-old cuddled her then held her upside by her feet while she squealed. He has been the consummate father. He also has a full-time job as a painter, a VIRILE if not MANLY job. ;) His whole thing – to be the best father possible. To me he is. I tell him as well. I’ve even written it down so he has proof I’ve said it.
My own father cooked, cleaned, washed clothes, washed dishes in between milking in the morning and at night.
As the ultimate slap in the face to the likes of wanking Glenn Greenwald and his lost ilk, my own nephew (little Repub that he is) does all and not because they have 2-month-old twins, but he was expected to as a kid and he’s anal as hell.
I never thought about my father being “manly” or anything else. He was a doctor and every Saturday morning, he’d take me along with him to visit his patients in the hospital. And I knew that my job was to chat them up and distract them so that he could examine their eyes (he would have done a cateract extraction on them). He made me feel I was doing an important job and it gave me the only private time with him that I was able, as a little kid, to get. When I was older, he’d take me with him to fish for blues off the beaches at Block Island and I would help him haul in huge fish with wicked teeth and we’d walk back to the car together. I never thought of my father as “manly” or not – I always thought he was special because he wanted me to be with him and share his experiences. He sent my mom to college during the 1950s and encouraged her to go to grad school and teach in a college. And when he had a chance to leave our area and open a practice someplace else, he would not leave because that would interfere with my mother’s teaching career. So, as far as men go, I always thought of my father as a pretty special guy.
LOL
Brave Manley:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..mp;search=
Jonathan #60
It’s another for an adult to force his or her sexual orientation or practices upon a child.”
I couldn’t agree more. I was force-fed heterosexuality from the nanosecond of my birth (February 18, 1947)
Luckily in 1954 my unwitting mother took me to a matinee screening of Kismet at the Roxy and right in the middle of Dolores Gray’s “Not Since Ninevah” number I Went Gay!
There are some who think the hobby-horse cowboy in the WH is a “man”.
Steve-AR @ 67
Gun safety is not high on their list of priorities, ask Deadeye Dick, good thing they were only huntin’ fowl…!!! ;-)
My father was widowed at a very young age, so he was single Dad for ahwile. He had a manly man job, fighter pilot, and still managed to be a very caring (if unconventional) Dad to me.
He was a complete softy and not at all concerned with what appeared masculine or not.
It’s funny, though. I remember a few jerk fathers on the military bases I grew up on, and without fail, they were all chest thumpers, yelling things like “Once a Marine, always a Marine” stuff. Funny, few of them were actual vets like my father….
And say what you will about Tom Cruise, he knows what it takes to look MANLY.
the calculus of child rearing is simple: the more of yourself you put into your children, the greater the personal reward. And the multiplier of what you put in verses what you get out is enormous in favor of what you get out of child rearing. In some sense, it can be considered selfish considering the indescrible joy and satisfaction you get out putting time, effort, and love into your children.
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Loo Hoo. @ 35
I’ve had 2 boys (now 26 and 15). Boys go through a sneaky rebellious phase around 9 to 11. If you keep ‘em honest through that, you’re OK, they’ll be fine. Girls don’t rebel until 15 to 17, and then it can be like a bomb going off.
Gay men can be quite manly or masculine. They can make great dads. So can straight men. It’s jerks and men who are unwilling to look at themselves who make lousy dads.
Sorry, David E. I think Mr. Cruise looks at his most manly when he is cuddling his daughter. That’s one manly Dad.
AnnieW @ #79
The way I heard it was “Once a Marine, always a Bottom.”
Good gracious! The air is blue with testosterone and manly men getting in touch with their foul-mouthed fem fringe fanatic side (y’all are overlooking the fringe fanatic part of the insult – those are two great words, and I’m going to include them).
It’s really so simple: when adults can be who they are without pressure to conform to norms and role expectations, good things happen. In this case, actively loving and raising children and contributing to the health and wellbeing of families. Hmmmm – not a mention of gender, duties and sexual orientation – and still G rated.
GordonM @ 80
I am living with a 13 yr old boy and a 15 yr old girl. Bombs away!
Toby Wollin @ #83
Are you sure that child is his?
She looks an awful lot like Katie’s last boyfriend.
AnnieW @ 78
As an Army NCO, I steered away from the chest thumpers, I preferred the more rational bunch…!!!
Among the UNMANLY:Throws a ball like a GUUUURRRRL!!!
David Ehrenstein @ 75
I couldn’t agree more. I was force-fed heterosexuality from the nanosecond of my birth (February 18, 1947)
Luckily in 1954 my unwitting mother took me to a matinee screening of Kismet at the Roxy and right in the middle of Dolores Gray’s “Not Since Ninevah” number I Went Gay!
David,
My defining moment came when I was 10.
A group of boys in my neighborhood decided to ambush an 11-year-old girl and kiss her.
The ambush was carried out, and one of the boys in my pack pinned the girl against a garage door and kissed her.
Yes, I know it’s like rape.
But ever since, I’ve wondered what it would have been like to be that boy.
MY kind of MANLY
David Ehrenstein @ 89
The fems are going to come after you!!!!!
with pitchforks.
nuncamas @ 47
707 !!!
David – to my thinking, I think it doesn’t matter whether or not who the father of that little girl is (though from the way he holds her and frankly, how she deals with him..as well as her face from the nose up leads me to believe that Mr. Cruise is indeed Suri’s father). It is how he behaves with her that counts and every picture I have seen of them together shows him to be a loving and caring father. My two cents.
David,
Thanks for this. I had my third at 48 and became Mr. Mom. My relationship with this child is the most important to me. Thanks for giving voice to us masculine caregivers.
Toby Wollin @ 94
Maybe the “powers that be” went after him because of his Scientology. I don’t trust they way the media frames anything.
That’s a very Jean Genet moment, Jonathan.
Genet said as a youth he saw another go by on a bicycle and was suddenly caught between “wanting to BE than boy and wanting to HAVE that boy.”
N=1 @ 84
*Gasp* …the two shall meet and commune…!!! Oooohhhmmmm…!!! Ain’t the Lake, Grand??? 8-)
My memories make them the majority, but that was years ago. My father and his buddies were pretty low key.
He would have fit in one of David’s pics of manly men though because my stepmom got him a rather ridiculous shirt that had a VERY large embroidered butterfly on it and made him wear it since it matched something of hers. It managed to change his call sign….
marymccurnin @ 91
…with virtual pitchforks, eh? Bring it On!!! *g*
Tom besieged by fans
It was only after I took this pic that I discovered how much it was like Cocteau’s Ophee (Jean Marais besieged by fans)
AnnieW @ 98
Uhoh! …dare I ask??? ;-)
GordonM @ 82
Yep! I can attest to that. Sometimes I’d ask who these people were. They weren’t there in childhood. What happened? Well, you know what, as they mature they come around to remembering and living by the values they knew a children. They do remember and appreciate.
TexBetsy @ 87
We all know your 15 yr old – and she is going to be just fine! Better than most of us, probably. And I bet some of it rubbed off on the other one, too.
I know I’m not the best parent around. But unlike Poppy and Babs, I don’t have a child responsible for killing close to a million men, women and children. And I don’t have a son or daughter who makes orphans.
IN which Tom Cruise’s lawyer prove just how MANLY he is.
And then there’s Rudy. You know… the ‘family values party’ candidate.
Interesting topic. My dad was a WWII combat vet, football coach, great athlete and bi-sexual. He split up with my mother when I was 12 and pursued a more fulfilling lifestyle for himself. It took a long time for me and my sibs to understand what happened. The impact of the divorce led me to never want to have kids because I didn’t want to lay a bad trip on anyone else like it had been laid on me.
And we all know how close Rudy is to his children — don’t we folks?
Eureka Springs @ 19
Let’s all do it, and find out. *g*
And speaking of manly men…
Did Karl Rove leave now because Jeff Gannon’s book is coming out in September? WARNING: Pictures NSFW.
raven @ 109
Wow. Did he run off with somebody specific? Or did he just “head out to the territory”?
Beautiful essay, David. And your daughter will never be uncertain…ever. In the first six years, you did the critical thing. Beautiful essay..I think that I need to pass this on, as all wisdom should be.
And then there is Mitt. Great father. He doesn’t mind if children get killed in Iraq. Just so long as they’re not his kids. And then there’s Cheney and Lieberman. Both these great dads want you to send your kids to Iraq and… Iran.
Nancy and Ronnie were the ideal parents. She was possessive and jealous of Ronnie’s children from a previous marriage and he went along with her to leave them out of their happy home. Thus harmony was kept by the ideal Hollywood couple. They did no better by their own children.
Now if you have so little feelings for your own children, what will you have for those strangers called, citizens?
SOmewhat off topic but I just finished watching The Blues Brothers with my autistic 8 year old son. That move speaks on so many levels. Belusha was a genius.
Erich Fromm pegged it a long time ago:
“Power to” versus “Power over”.
When you’re happy, healthy and well-adjusted, that comes of feeling you have oodles of “power to”: Love, create, be, assist. When you don’t have that feeling of “power to”, you look for “power over” as a substitute.
And then there is Jenna and the other one. What are they doing? Well I don’t know. But I do know one thing they are not doing. They’re not in Iraq. Gee Poppy Jr. You’re a great dad!
I wonder about Mitt’s sons.
The Law of Averages and all.
CTuttle @ 103
It wasn’t that bad…but he went from “spider” which I think he was pretty proud of, to “butterfly”, which wasn’t as dangerous. I guess my Dad did care a little bit about the whole manly man thing after all. (g)
He could easily be taken down by my sisters and I if he was getting out of hand by a coordinated tickle attack on our part. Even the dog would help us, she was a girl, too.
His only bad choices as a single dad were bad habits on his part, which I think were more age related. Hey, why don’t we have a bag of cookies for dinner? Wouldn’t that be fun, and no dishes!
Phoenix Woman @ 116
*sigh* …to overcompensate, an eternal affliction of ‘Mankind’!!!
David Ehrenstein @ 113
Wow. Did he run off with somebody specific? Or did he just “head out to the territory”?
We lived in LA and he called me and asked who I wanted to be with. I said “you” so I made an excuse to go to the dumpster and met him. We made a run for the border and when we got to Nevada I called my mom and told her. We went to Chicago where he got a teaching job (this was after he lost his job in LA, different world now). He ended up marrying a woman just 10 years older than me. She shared his “lifestyle” and they had two kids. He had friends from the Navy that they interacted with. The only problem I had with that was when I was left with one of them when I was about 15 and the dude came on to me. I never was able to ask my old man how he could have allowed that but now I’m not sure it really mattered. I ended up having a good relationship with everyone and my stepmother and I are good friends. Go figure. I guess now that they are gone I can write the book!
realworld @ 117
We have child autism in our family. It’s a heart breaker for us. And we love them so.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 119
Barbara. One of them just announced her engagement to get married. Jenna, I believe.
Never trust anyone who does not lead by example. Put your body where your mouth is. Go to Iraq yourself and stay in the forefront of the battle or send your kids there. Never ask another person do do what you are not willing to do yourself.
How come I remember these truths and the WH clowns don’t think they apply to them? I forgot, they are the chosen elite.
David Ehrenstein @ 76
‘As it was foretold in the Homosexual Agenda’
;>)
You Dad sounds like Nicholas Ray, raven.
My husband and I are self-employed musicians and have gotten (or I should say, ‘have taken’) the opportunity to stay home together with our 3 kids. The price we pay is a certain amount of financial insecurity, but I’ll trade any amount of money for the opportunity to be there with my kids alongside their father and not miss a thing.
My husband is such a great, hands-on dad, and with our work, a lot of the time we can take them with us. Our oldest is now almost 16, his brother is 10 and our daughter is 8. I can’t tell you how many people (often complete strangers) come up to us and compliment us on our kids – how thoughtful and good-hearted and kind they are. I am in awe of our kids. And I think that they’re turning out the way they are because we were able to give them the best of ourselves – quantity time and quality time.
Being a home-dad brings out something in my husband that I cherish – a tenderness that is extremely masculine, and extremely sexy.
BigMitch @ 123
To a Rovian Protege!!! Keep it in the family???
Great post! Makes me miss my farmer dad all the more (died end of Feb after long illness). Like all the farmers i knew, dad never seemed to worry about his masculinity. He was much more concerned that his 3 daughters & 3 sons grow up to be honest, decent folk (he was a NewDealDem, not a rethug).
He was one of only a few fathers who would faithfully attend every band/chorus performance by his children. Insisted we all learn at least one instrument. Wasn’t perfect tho, didn’t want us playing sports tho he loved baseball. His biased comment was “God made sports so people who are too stupid to be good at anything else at least have something to feel good about and you kids are all way too smart to be good at sports.”
That’s great to hear, Alicia.
Another anecdote I meant to weave into this post but didn’t because it was already too damned long …
Somewhere three years ago, in one of those parenting magazines that lurk about the shelves of children’s play centers, I read a piece about fathers playing a bigger role in child-rearing, including being stay-at-homes. It included a memorable anecdote from a woman whose husband, a big burly beer-truck driver, had worked it out so that he could stay at home two or three days a week to be the caregiver. And how she knew how great it was going to be the day she came home and found him seated (sorta) with the little girl and her favorite teddy bear at her little tea table, sipping water from a tiny teacup, and obviously enjoying every second of it.
I related to that story. I’m not big and burly (only 6 foot) but have been told I could pass for a beer-truck driver. And tea parties, oh yeah. I know all about them.
There is an author, Dave Zirin, of “Welcome to the Terrordome” on Cspan 2 now. The listing says he will talk about T I L L M A N
David Ehrenstein @ 128
Yea, I thought about him during “Gods and Monsters” too. Also, Turkel’s “The Good War” had a chapter about gay folks in the military in WWI. As I studied more about what it must have been like on a WWII destroyer for 4 years in the Pacific I became more understanding of his situation. My own experience with gay folks in Korea and Vietnam helped me understand what the real crime in all that shit was and it had nothing to do with sex.
Kids are Beyond Wonderful.
I can’t understand people who have them only to neglect them.
David Ehrenstein @ 110
As Rudy said to the lady in New Hampshire who asked about his childrens’ non-support of his candidacy, “Leave my family alone, just like I’ll leave your family alone.”
TradMed hasn’t picked up on the threat implicit in that statement. Were I the New Hampshire voter, I would be shocked. And perhaps afraid.
Speaking of manly men..I went back and re-read the NYT op-ed by seven manly men. They know they are going to catch a world of shit but they did it anyway.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/19/opi…..ref=slogin
David Neiwert @ 133
Tea Parties are extremely important. We are several generation out now with Tea Parties. In Asia men also participate in tea rituals, daily. So civilizing.
When Death is hairsbreath away nobody cares about who you love — just that you love.
“Manliness” by Harvard Prof. Harvey Mansfield puts paid to the misty thinking of heavy fem-bloggers, and to the men who sell their line of, “Oh, my, men are so intimidated.”
Talk about craptaculiciousness.
As to the modern family, women who fail to fully share the love of their children with the father, will be full time mothers.
And Karl is running around quoting Napoleon today.
Rove attempted to justify the White House’s handling of Iraq by quoting Napoleon, saying “Your battle plan doesn’t survive the first contact with the enemy.” Is this dad’s children serving in Iraq?
Cassie’s post about grief camps for kids whose parents die in this stupid war. Also a bit about her own dad.
TeddySanFran @ 137
Rudy wants us to leave Bernie Kerick alone, his lack of foreign policy experience alone, his unpopularity in NYC alone; he wants to leave everything alone except 9/11.
Steve-AR @ 138
Amazing piece wasn’t it. We were speculating earlier about how long it would take for them to get swiftboated.
I saw a funny “Candid Camera” type show once where a business man that supposedly owns a building under construction pretends to have to go somewhere and needs to leave his 5 year old little princess with this large heavy equipment operator he calls over. They did this multiple times, to multiple big “scary” guys who all look very aggrieved but do it anyway.
More than one of the guys was willing to play “tea party” with the little girl and when they thought they were alone with her were all very kind. You could tell they were all Dads (or that they shold be).
David Ehrenstein @ 140
I hear ya.
David Ehrenstein @ 132
Thanks – it’s great to have, especially since my childhood (like many here) was less than idyllic. I did not plan on having kids because, like Raven, I couldn’t bear the idea of inflicting a childhood like mine on anyone else.
It was my husband who changed all that for me. And I found out the magic secret – that I could have the childhood I always wanted by giving it to my kids.
No one ever told me that being a parent could be fun until I met my guy.
I agree that the confident man with nothing to prove — comfortable in his own skin and not overly concerned with how society views his decisions — defines real masculinity.
But isn’t this something that both men and women should aspire to?
Unfortunately, with every decision a woman makes to go her own way — in anything from not having children to not shaving her body hair — finds her shoved further down the scale away from what is labeled “feminine.”
When they released 25th-anniversary edition of The Feminine Mystique, Betty Friedan updated it with a new preface, shifting her attention to the plight of men. She writes:
She concludes with a call for new kind of society, where:
This was written in 1997, and since then, Stay-at-Home-Dads are considered emasculated and women are still valued for the size of their boobs. Sigh.
We all need to take some responsibility for the current condition of American society, but I freely apportion more blame to Republicans for their embrace of a 1950s’ version of “family values” and plain evil gender politics.
I am very hopeful that with the election of a Democrat for president in 2008 (right now, likely a woman or an Afircan-American?), things can only get better.
Come November, I will be celebrating my 20th year as a stay-at-home-dad for my two daughters. Someone should tell these so-called Family Moralists who demand that women stay home that if they want that they should support a LIVING WAGE that helps one parent stay home while the other works. More women stayed home in the 50’s because of the general prosperity enjoyed by many more working class Americans (go Unions!). Many men are staying home today because more women have better jobs and better paychecks to support their families on one salary.
I didn’t stay home to make a political point. I stayed home because it made the most sense economicslly. Many women work because they HAVE to. Many men don’t stay home because they HAVE to under the economic circumstances. Put people to work, pay them a honorable wage and support families with decent affordable health care. It’s the only moral solution.
Alicia @ 147
Yea, now that I have been clean and sober for 13 years I sorta regret not having some little linoleum leeches!
now THAT was a pleasure to read! the start of your next book, i hope?
david, up top-”I really did accomplish something worthwhile, and nothing — certainly not sneers from the haplessly ignorant — can take that away. The idea that it is not a masculine thing to do just seems absurd and incomprehensible to me.”
it’s called being human.
david, up top-”Masculine men (that is, if your notion of maleness is about strength and drive) also bring a groundedness and confidence to the table that I think nurtures children in ways that women often do not.”
you kinda stepped off base here, so gotta ‘tag’ ya..(and you had a home run, but you got tagged out)……..this could have been said in a less offensive way………i woulda left that whole paragraph out………i’m thinking that just mentioning it is enough, no need to go into detail……..
otherwise, perfect……..i’ve known three stay-at-home dads, and all but one were exceptional, but they also had supportive mates……
the one that wasn’t exceptional had no support from his mate-a lot of stay-at-home moms don’t have that support in their households.
without a supportive mate i don’t think it would have been so satisfying……..
now, to read the rest of the comments……..
raven @ 144
Yes it is..the link should probably be posted on this site for the next several days. It may be the best piece that I have read on Iraq.
Thanks, David. So little writing about this experience, which I have shared with my two girls, ages 9 and 14. It is impossible to “prove” or “measure” the effect; but my 14 yearold I am so proud of for having the highest Humanities GPA in her 8th grade class, starring as the lead in “Amahl and the Night Visitors”, giving freely of her earned money to an American anti-slavery group…I see so much of myself in her sometimes that I cringe! And yet, she is an astonishingly selfless and caring individual, a jewel in so many ways. And I really KNOW her from spending so much time with her growing up. Great work, and great writing! The world needs as many ‘primarily-fathered kids’ as we can muster!
darkblack @ 127
It could go either way with Kathryn Grayson; you just never know; she sang to all of us.
I’m impressed that these guys did this, too. I can’t wait to see how the “support the troops” crowd treats them.
And the MSM is beginning to bill Mittie as the new “Father Knows Best”.
BigMitch @ 144
Lately though, with reporters examining his schedules to find out how much time he actually spent at The Pile, even 9/11 is becoming radioactive for Rudy.
Without 9/11, what else is there to a Giuliani candidacy, really?
While it isn’t the same, I was a Suzuki daddy to my daughter for years, and a choir worker when she quit playing and started singing. Every night for 30 minutes, she played and I coached. Once a week, on lesson day, we had ___ and Daddy night, eating pizza or whatever she wanted after lesson. I wouldn’t trade those memories for any work I ever did.
I have never asked myself if I am masculine. Only a whiner does that.
Even though I am living alone I still do so many things I did with my kids and my parents. I spent the day making a New Orleans black eye peas dish and rice. Soooo tasty. Soooo inexpensive. Guess old habits just don’t change. These were also things I loved about family life so I kept those wonderful traditions I enjoy when no one else is around. Why not? My friends benefit as well. They know I will have something wonderful for dinner or lunch. But even along, I celebrate.
There goes the timer. I’ll catch up with yaaa’l later.
Well time to make dinner for the GF.
raven @ 151
I’ve been C&S for 22 years, and am eternally grateful that I was able to be a sober mom – I know so many who weren’t that lucky.
It’s never too late to have kids in your life in some way, Raven – even if it’s mentoring or Big Sister-ing. They do fabulous things for you. My first toe in the water before kids was being a Big Sister to a girl in treatment.
Kids have made me a person I’m proud to be – I’m deeper and less selfish about the world as well as my family. My kids are why I’m politically active.
David Brooks’ MANLY Mailbox
David Ehrenstein @ 162
Course it’s manly – look at all the duct tape!
Alicia @ 161
Oh yea. I spent 20 years in Parks and Rec specializing in trying to offer sane and balanced sports programs for kids. I coach, tutor and we have lots of friends with kids who we get to hang with. Life is good, I’m not looking back.
Same here.
Well, of course, he’s so handsome and clean cut, and look at that jaw.
TeddySanFran @ 157
On the one hand, I thought that Giulianin would be my choice of candidates to run against. However, he is a very persuasive speaker, thoroughly uninhibited when it comes to lying. As a result, I wonder. To borrow a phrase, when it comes to Rudy, “there’s no there, there.”
Basically, I think he is crooked. And as we heard Rove say, the number one issue for voters who voted Republican in 2004 and Democratic in 2006 was ethics in government. The problem is that he appeals to people’s reptile brain.
QuakerGirl @ 157
Quakergirl,
I eat the same way.
Wrdfrk:
Great point. I’d only add that the routes men and women might take to get there will all of course reflect the individual, but I think also the sex. I do think masculinity and femininity (particularly as holistic principles) are complementary but necessarily different, and being confident in one’s womanhood is a fundamentally different thing — which, alas, I am pretty much unqualified to speak to.
But I’d sure like to hear more ideas about how we all do so, especially on our vast common ground as human beings.
Asked to name their heroes, young Americans surveyed by The Associated Press and MTV make their parents the collective top pick. Twenty-nine percent choose their mothers, 21 percent name their fathers and 16 percent pick their parents without specifying which one. Allowed to choose as many heroes as they’d like, nearly half mention at least one of their folks.
“They’re really hard workers, and they’ve done everything in their power to make sure my siblings and I have everything we’ve needed,” said Stacy Runne, 21, of New Bern, N.C., now a student at Brookdale Community College in Lincroft, N.J. “They’re just good people.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..61035.html
In “Performance”, Donald Cammell deconstructed by Masculine by means fo the Feminine.
It’s still a deeply radical film after all these years.
And here are the guys who inspired Cammell — The Krays.
It was my husband who changed all that for me. And I found out the magic secret – that I could have the childhood I always wanted by giving it to my kids.
No one ever told me that being a parent could be fun until I met my guy.
I wanted to be a parent but never seem to meet the right guy…until I acknowledged my early abuse, and then I knew. I had kept it such a secret and from myself, and I never had children. I don’t view it as a loss, but as a saving grace, now that I’m older.
David, you warmed my heart with your story! Thanks so much for sharing it with us. I was about ready to give up on men, but after reading your post, I feel warm & fuzzy again. :-)
You’re a terrific Daddy, David. In fact, you reminded me of my own father who used to let my sister and I put barrettes throughout his hair. He never was “un-masculine” in my childhood when he was doing “girl stuff” with us. In fact, his warm, loving, undivided attention he gave us was more masculine, than had he been a rough abusive father. His gentleness and playfulness with my sister and I showed how wonderfully masculine he was and he still appears that way to us as he approaches 70!
Now…to find the man like my father! That’s the hard part. ;-)
dmac:
Yeah, you’re right. What I was trying to get at is that, in my experience, the parents who tended most to be fretful and overprotective of their children were women — though certainly not all of them, nor was this uniformly so in regards to men too (there definitely were overprotective dads). Instilling confidence in Fiona was an important thing for me, so I was more likely to encourage her to explore and test herself physically, though it was somewhat labor intensive doing so. Where some of the moms would run and pull their child off the monkey bars, I was showing her how to do it.
Now, this is by nature an anecdotal observation, and moreover colored by my own approach to parenting, so it’s probably not fair, and I should have just left it out. But, well, it is something I observed over the years.
KayInMaine @ 175
Unsolicited advice. Stay open…;}
Manly men
I’m straight
When I was in highschool and in my fraternity at the University of Illinois, I was around gays.
I didn’t think of it that way.
The question was, did you want to go drinking, watch a movie, share some humor.
Guys who wanted to date girls did so.
And guys who wanted to date girls didn’t have any problem with guys who didn’t.
He told me I could never own a foreign car; he wouldn’t let it be parked in his drive way. So I didn’t own one even though I would have liked one.
He told me he wouldn’t eat chicken on the bone; I’d have to debone his serving if he ever wanted me to eat it. So I deboned his chicken, even permitting him to bark at me in front of guests about homemade chicken cacciatore that had been served bone-in breast.
He told me he hoped he had a boy child first. I tolerated this opinion, knowing there wasn’t anything rational that could be done to change that.
He told me there was no f*cking way he was ever going to change a diaper.
So I left him.
He nearly had a nervous breakdown, ended up in counseling, showed up on my doorstep all hours begging me to take him back, showering me with bouquets of flowers, trying to prove how sorry he was; he’d buy me a Porsche if I only took him back. I finally shut the door in his face for the last time and turned off the phone.
I ran into him for the first time in 20 year while grocery shopping with my then-11-year-old daughter. He talked my ear off for 45 minutes in the produce department. As we ended the conversation — my daughter having filled the cart with groceries while she waited for him to stop yammering — he asked me if I ever looked back and had any regrets.
I looked at my daughter and said not a single one. And then we left.
Manly my ass; after explaining to my daughter on the way home from the store what exactly that was all about, I told her I would be in her face if she ever had a boyfriend who was more concerned about himself and his needs than he was for hers, and that a successful relationship relies on both persons being as concerned about the needs of their partner as their own, and equally concerned about their children. And real men are not selfish bastards.
Good for you Rayne!
LS @ 176
I’ve got my binoculars with me wherever I go. Always open and on the lookout. ;-)
David Neiwert @ 170
I love your story and this topic, David. I have to laugh when I hear the so-called ‘traditional family’ types go on about what are ‘man’s traits’ and ‘women’s traits’. My husband is a better cook than I am. I’m not much of a homemaker, but I handle all of the tech and electronic stuff around the house.
Some people say every relationship needs a flower and a gardener – usually aimed at creative people who have a ‘competent’ spouse who takes care of them. We’re two ‘flowers’ in a crazy garden that grows everywhere.
It drives my mother-in-law crazy because she thinks her son should have a wife that ‘takes care’ of him, like a personal secretary. The house is never clean enough, everything is helter-skelter, etc. But I take care of him the same way he takes care of me – with love. I don’t choose his clothes or pick up after him or tell him how he should do things. I build computers with my kids, and play music with them, and he takes them everywhere he goes, and we both read to them. Neither one of us is much on male-female roles. We both just try to do whatever needs doing.
Yes, I usually take out the trash. He does more laundry than I do. I do the dishes more than he does. He mops the floor. I run the studio. He writes songs.
Rayne @ 179
Boy, did you luck out!
KayInMaine @ 181
lol – I have this image…
Rayne @ 178
Right on my sistah!
Beautiful article.
I never focused on the gender qualities of things I do. Caring for another human being has nothing to do with masculinity or femininity nor does doing the dishes.
There are lots of differences in the sexes driven by culture and some that are part of nature. What matters is a person’s humanity and competence, their integrity and their kindness.
Amazing how much incompetent parenting there is out there. I suppose it explains a lot. Look at W.
Excellent post. But it leaves unasked, and therefore unanswered the question why the would-be manly men are so afraid that their manlitude might be questioned. As manly men go, I would not stand out. I’m slight, academic, though in good shape, and know how to shoot skeet and tie flies, but I was never on a high-school football team. What is it about these men that makes them so afraid that what they think is their identity might be questioned? What is so threatening to them?
Their world isn’t my world, and I have no way of coming at an intuitive feel for what they are going through. But whatever it is is part of what feeds fascism in our country. I’d like to know. Anyone have any ideas?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 142
What makes this such bullshit is THERE WAS NO PLAN FOR ONCE THE IRAQI ARMY FELL. Just a bunch of pipe dreams and bullshit.
The answer is it’s not about “manliness” at all, but paranoia.
LS @ 183
Did I mention I have a hunting stand in the tree in front of the house too? LOL Just kidding…
;-)
LS @ 183
Didn’t Mae West once say, Luck had nuthin’ to do with it?
Heh. You could say I snapped out of my young and stupid torpor.
KayInMaine @ 185
You know, that bit you highlighted is exactly what makes David Neiwert a real man. He cared more about doing the right thing by his spouse and his daughter than by his own personal needs alone or what society dictated. Real men do the right thing — not the expedient or popular thing.
Rayne @ 179
The exact definition of love: That condition where another person’s happiness is essential to your own.
-Robert A. Heinlein, in Stranger in a Strange Land.
It’s my kid taught me how to cook. When he was 10, I got 50% custody. I’d make him dinner, he’d say “this tastes like old gym shoes”. Grrrr. A few days later – “well, that’s better, just tastes like gym socks”.
Rayne at 178
What drew you to this guy?
realworld @ 188
He is…..
dysfunctionalmentaldelusionalf’d uptraitorouslyingpsychoticfascist…sure glad he’s not my dad.
RonD @ 192
Eh. I’ll disagree. Empathy is essential. Living through another is just as bad as lack of empathy. I’d say Khalil Gibran got closer.
New thread upstairs.
GordonM @ 193
Well, at least you don’t hear, “Chicken again, Mah?”. That hurts. LOL
Jonathan @ 194
Ugh. Some sort of stupid that overcomes many young women in high school. He was smart, articulate, attractive, and the hormone thing was an incredible head rush. I also had some serious self-esteem issues that needed to be worked out, and I guess he was the guy to show me how bad they were.
I’ve explained this to my daughter, too, that many women will make the same mistake, and far too many women will never recognize it. I told her that she may also make the same mistake, but that if we talked about and were really open about it and open about the expectations we have for her and for her future, that at least she’d be better able to see the mistake coming and avoid it, or get out of it faster than I did.
David Neiwert @ 170
I think we all do so by looking inward and by trusting our own nature – both males and females… you said it yourself: ” I did without thinking things that I now realize many people view as masculine not because they made me manly, but because they were in my nature.”
Having children changes one in ways that even surprise oneself… watching a being develop into a person is an awesome trip… but it also gives one a second chance at healing one’s own inner demons and even forgive. Learning to forgive — your children, your parents, your spouse and yourself allows one to grow and become the person one was really meant to be.
By seeing the humanity in others, one can accept the humanity in oneself, as it were.
That’s my take for what it is worth. This was a wonderful piece and thank you for sharing.
Knut Wicksell @ 187
I think the common denominator is fear. It’s been shown in studies that high RWAs (high on the right-wing authoritarian scale, which is what this type is very likely to be) are more afraid of, and uncomfortable with, any kind of uncertainty than people that are considered low RWAs. They are most comfortable with having things stay the same, and sharply-defined sex roles appeal to that.
My father was a man’s, man.
He earned the money, had his wife wait on him,
but cheated on her.
He never played catch with me but did teach me how to order a drink in a bar at age 12.
He threw me out of the house when my hair got long at 18.
I did not talk to speak to him for 5 years and when I finally did go home after I finished with college (yep I paid my way) he got mad since my hair was longer.
He ended up divorced, estranged from his children and died alone.
I’m nothing like him, I must be a pussy.
KayInMaine @ 198
TeddySanFran @ 157
A Soap Opera
Yes, it’s been so refreshing since the broad-based competent powerful benign mommystate has been replaced by the drunken, feckless, reckless, out of control abusive-Daddy-state.
Bushist fascists, being hormonally challenged, are all about power & control — power, which they will grab at all costs, and control –which they’re completely out of.
Great post Dave.
The Catbus photo is cute – thanks for the Miyaki reference spook!
and
thats a great paragraph. I could imagine it would be hard to even explain ‘power to’ to someone far gone into ‘power over’.
Brava, Rayne. Keep on.
GordonM @ 203
Aaaaah, yes. Hannaford spicy sausage! Being a single Dad or Mom is not the easiest thing in the world, Gordon (I’m a single Mom). You could have ordered pizza every night, but what kind of memory would your kids have if you did? Making a meal taste like old gym socks isn’t easy Gordon…*wink*…it takes some effort for crying out loud! Your kids will have great memories to look back on and that’s what counts in the end. ;-)
I, too, at some point will have to take care of my parents and if I hear one of them say, “Chicken again, Kay?”, I will have come full circle and won’t be happy about it. LOL
Karl’s dad was gay; I believe it was his step-dad, but from an early age.
david at 176 says-”Yeah, you’re right. What I was trying to get at is that, in my experience, the parents who tended most to be fretful and overprotective of their children were women — though certainly not all of them, nor was this uniformly so in regards to men too (there definitely were overprotective dads). Instilling confidence in Fiona was an important thing for me, so I was more likely to encourage her to explore and test herself physically, though it was somewhat labor intensive doing so. Where some of the moms would run and pull their child off the monkey bars, I was showing her how to do it.
Now, this is by nature an anecdotal observation, and moreover colored by my own approach to parenting, so it’s probably not fair, and I should have just left it out. But, well, it is something I observed over the years.”
i nailed you on it because my best friends, since i was 17, my two best friends married each other 10 years after we all met-they were both hands-on parents, and the female provided what you ‘brought to the table’……..so, had to tag you on it………
i think it was more a parenting style, than a gender-related thing….most women i know would have been teaching, too…..
a lot of women do the expedient thing, from habit at home trying to do everything, which is why i mentioned the support of the mate, (emotionally and in sharing of responsibilities), being so essential…….parenting styles seem to reflect this in my experience……
i hope you save this post for your daughter to read when she is older…..it really was exceptional writing. (except for that paragraph *g*)
*Totally off-topic*
Kay –
Henry Rollins from C&L – an interview with Mother Jones
knut at 187 says in part-” What is it about these men that makes them so afraid that what they think is their identity might be questioned? What is so threatening to them?”
that they don’t have an identity. that’s what i was always taught.
KayInMaine @ 208
Oh I check up on White Noise Insanity semi-regularly. We’ve said hi before (on TMB, too). I’m up in District 2 (Sedgwick).
At this point my boy (15) is easier to handle than my parents, (except he always needs a ride somewhere). My Mom is nearly childlike (quite cheerful, but nearly helpless). My Dad is the harder one, ’cause he is having a hard time acknowledging his age. Sigh. One of these days I’ll have a life again ;-).
Knut Wicksell @ 187
Tough one, I have written on this before, and people have touched on a point or two here in this thread.
The “base” of the American Fascist movement (GOP) can be expressed statistically as “there’s one in every crowd” – This normal subset of any given population is where the statistical screen catches your anti-social deviants. There are gays in this subset for instance, but they are in the closet, and open gays will tell you this increases the chances of more severe emotional issues developing. There is also some closeted bi in here… Men who have dreams of sex with other men, wake up with erections, etc..
Now this subset desperately wants to believe that they are completely normal and mainstream. But their personal issues have them emotionally or psychologically unbalanced (some are simply outright sociopaths)… And when they think they are “normal” they think everybody else is like they are.
A good historical example of this is Nero. Nero was pretty corrupt morally… But he assumed he was like everybody else, and that they were just as corrupt as he was.
jonathan at 194 says to rayne-”What drew you to this guy?”
jonathan, my best friend, explaining about her first husband says, he was the one that paid attention to me……….
Great Read, David N. Thank you.
Wordsmith @ 211
Gawd I love that man! Thanks for the link, Wordsmith.
organic george”"I’m nothing like him, I must be a pussy.”
nope, i’d call you one righteous dude.
GordonM @ 213
You’re a good man, Gordon, to WANT to take care of your parents. Others would have given up or just put their parents in a nursing home or something to not be bothered with it. *thumbs up to you*
We Mainers stick together and we even hang out on the same blogs! LOL What is wrong with us?
Have a great night. It’s past my bed time here in Durham. ;-)
What an afternoon’s read! Hope I can get my grandson to read Dave’s writing– he is the stay at home parent and think some family members raise eyebrows, fools!
and contrapuntally Dave Ehrenstein — i sort of wish i had known what NSFW meant, but plunging ahead I found that there are still things in this world I never heard of! always fun to learn new things! wheeee epu i guess too.
And then they text-message Senate pages.
Always glad to expand people’s world view.
And isn’t that lovely pic? I just adore it.
David Ehrenstein: Luckily in 1954 my unwitting mother took me to a matinee screening of Kismet at the Roxy and right in the middle of Dolores Gray’s “Not Since Ninevah” number I Went Gay!
Something similar to that happened to me too! Funny that movies work that way. I was eleven years old and outstandingly clueless for that age. I went to the theatre on Cleveland Street in Clearwater and saw Arabesque starring the 33-year-old Sophia Loren. This cinema experience, of course, resulted in an nearly-mortal case of priapism which didn’t subside for the following ten years.
Well done, Dave – as usual.
I’ve been home with the little boy – he’s two and a half now – a fair amount, writing during naps and at other odd times, fly fishing on the rare occasion, looking forward to hunting season here in Montana. It’s amazing, really, even Grinch-like … sometimes it seems like every day with the boy the old heart grows three sizes, and then another three, and then another three …
He looks out the window and see deer & turkeys, and I see them, too, through his eyes, and it’s amazing. I hope that he has a handful of years to simply be a boy before the world comes crashing down on him. I can’t wait to take him fishing. Maybe next year, or maybe the year after. He wants to go now, but he’s still so small.
More to say, but better run. Training for a colonscopy in the morning …
Great post, and one that actually answered a lot of questions I didn’t know I had anymore.
I have had the great wonder and honor of being the “house spouse” as we call it, for my daughter. Shocking to think that she’s starting pre-school, but she is and I have been taking stock as well.
I didn’t grow up hunting and fishing. I grew up without a father, and so had the same questions of the “half-men” you talk about, wondering what it means to truly be a man. And frankly it was not until I was a stay-at-home dad that I figured out that I knew everything I needed to know.
I am a committed feminist, but I do feel that I bring something to the table that my wife does not and would not want to. You called it groundedness and confidence — which in part I think unfortunately stems from absorbing the male birthright of being at the top of the heap in modern society — but I would also add that sort of unthinking, uncritical, inarticulate version of love that men in our society can give when they (the royal they) are at their best. My daughter thrived on that, and so did I.
As a result, today I’m much closer to what you describe as a whole man, and I have to credit being a stay-at-home dad as the catalyst for it.
The greatest fear among conservatives, sometimes spoken but usually not – and sometimes not even identified among themselves – is that someday the great unwashed will wake up and not march off to the wars continually dreamed up for them to defend a system that provides the right-wingers such lives of comfort and luxury.
Hence the desperate need to maintain a cult of masculinity, especially among the young.
I’ve been the single Father to my daughter since just before she turned three.
Not too long after that I told someone I was a single Father. Moments later they asked, how often I saw my daughter. That wasn’t the last time I heard that kind of comment. At first it bothered me. But, my moment of moving past that was when I “Working Mother” started showing up (unbidden) in my mail box. As someone in College put, I’m a penis with a heart.
But mostly… I’m too busy trying to juggle work, a daughter and all the miscellaneous of life. All I can say is I’m so damn jealous :-) … and thank you for your essay. It is fun to find out how deep the rabbit hole goes, eh?
Ah, and of course, the ever-manly Jules Crittenden shows me what being a real man’s all about.
Right. Looks like something the General wrote.
You almost lost me until you said that stay-at-home moms should get that recognition that stay-at-home dads get when appreciated. Staying at home with my daughter was the best thing I’ve ever done, but at times it was mind-numbing drudgery. I’m still the primary care-giver although I now work full-time (with one of those “half-men” and do the majority of the housework, although insert “reading” when I should be “mopping.”
Anyway, thanks for a good rebuttal to the macho saddies.
David,
What makes you think that Dr Helen was criticizing stay-at-home dads? If you read the sentence you highlighted in its full context, she doesn’t say that a man who does the dishes or takes care of children has a problem. It’s the man who feels guilty for any display of manliness or assertiveness that has a problem. I don’t know that it’s an epidemic, but she was responding to a specific question from a guy who seemed to suffer from an acute lack of assertiveness. It was reasonable, therefore, to address the phenomenon of “men-who-are-perhaps-overcompensating-for-their-loutish-fathers.” If you don’t have that problem, more power to you. That doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist though. I’ve known at least one guy who had it bad. While it’s much more common for women to be the doormat in a relationship, it’s pretty sad either way.
I fully agree with what you say about being a stay-at-home-dad though. I’m in my eighth year now, and I’ve enjoyed it immensely.
Manly men! hmmmm. the reality is there aren’t that many people engaged in politics for the pure reason of ‘good governance’ and ‘effective policy’. It’s mostly identity politics and the popularity contest.
Its ‘pro-wrestling’ style theatre. We get commentators like Maureen Dowd, Chris Matthews and Fox News playing this up. Plus factoring in the reality that the general public aren’t interested or are too busy to be engaged. And you’re going to get people who vote for Guliani cuz he ‘looks tough’. Or Fred Thompson cuz he looks ‘folksy’ etc… its just fact.
Heck we have a an opposition leader here in Australia, who actually might be picking up votes because he’s involved in a scandal where 4 yrs ago he was alleged to have gotten drunk at a strip club in NY. Its sad but politicians (like wrestlers and radio shock jocks) know the art of exploiting our base instincts to make us do things against our best interests
As a transplaneted ‘merrican up here in socialist Quebec (j/k), it came as a bit of a blow when I was refereed to as “l’homme rose” by someone.
Yes, I was thinking that my masculinity was being attacked… for about 2 seconds. I am a very self-confident man and always though of myself as masculine without being “macho” so I asked why I was a “pink man”.
“Because you take care of your family and don’t put yourself before your wife.”
Here I think to myself “…and?”
Well, it seems that being what I think of as a normal, caring family guy is something that needs to be labled because it isn’t so “normal”.
I remember the struggles my father had in overcoming his father’s view on “being a man” and how it took him decades of frustration before he became the l’homme rose he was meant to be.
Thankfully his lessons were not lost on me or my brothers… and I hope to his grandsons as well.
I’m also happy to see that the neocon version of masculine is as far afield from my own as to be on a different planet.
Hmm… where is the Totoro theme-park?
Must watch Howl’s Moving Castle tonight…
A bajillion years ago (mid-70s) my husband’s two sons, ages 7 & 9, came to visit for the summer. My first time as “wicked stepmother.” After our ten day trip (a honeymoon, actually — kids had come for the wedding), on our first night home, I asked the boys to help with dishes. Older son said “No, that’s women’s work.” My virile, hirsute (think French Canadian fur trapper) 30 year old husband put his arm around this boy and said “C’mon, son, we men do dishes.” Younger son and I went off to fold laundry.
Older son just married a woman with several children. A manly man, he can cook, clean and do dishes with the best of us.
“Totally out of place on a foul-mouthed fem-blog,”
LOL!!!
This was a great post, I know how it feels.
While I was simultaneously running three home-based businesses in the early to late 80’s, I was also watching our children and organizing my work around their schedules, whenever possible.
My only question is, will there ever be a mother-in-law who understands “stay-at-home” dads? And when will all the ladies in the Church Choir Coffee Committee decide that “Dads at Home” is a good thing, not “being lazy.”
Men get judged harshly when they try to go it on their own, and stay home to watch the children in the process.
No matter how much work I did, it was always somehow “shameful” that, instead of working for someone else like “you should,” I chose to worry over my own 3 schedule c’s and a fickle housing construction market (one of my “little” businesses was installing insulation products) instead of someone else’s business.
Stay-at-home dads suffer severely from Rodney Dangerfield’s “no-respect” syndrome… “we don’t get no respect!”
Except from our children.
And isn’t that what really matters.
Charlie America @ 231 wrote:
“I’m also happy to see that the neocon version of masculine is as far afield from my own as to be on a different planet.”
I’m reading the crosstalk on this, and I don’t think that there’s as much disagreement as there is disagreeableness. It seems like both sides are determined to caricature the other, because there is absolutely no issue that does not get sucked into and distorted by the maelstrom of the left/conservative battlefield, even the ones on which both sides essentially agree. I don’t see any knuckledraggers or pansies on either side though. I just see a bunch of people who are no longer capable of carrying on a conversation with each other without it degenerating into name-calling.
Well, yes, this is a lovely post, but it still can’t help itself from perpetuating the notion that childrearing is the most important job in the world, the most possibly fulfilling thing any human being can do, and not drudgery, and god knows more important than any actual paying “job” which will just turn stress you out and turn you into an alcoholic spouse abuser.
It’s bullshit. Raising a child is the most important job in the world? Really? More important than say, oh, president of the U.S.? (Or Ireland?_ More important than searching for a cure for cancer? More important than rescuing the victims of a hurricane? More important than stopping global warming?
Seriously? Because I love my job and think it’s important, but I wouldn’t put it in that category, I wouldn’t dare to have the nerve or self-puffery to say that it’s the MOST IMPORTANT JOB in the world.
Sorry, but I’d have a lot more respect for stay-at-home parents of both genders if they would just openly say, “No, I didn’t WANT to work anymore, it was too stressful with caring for the kids, etc., and American workplaces are not family friendly” — which is certainly true– “and I just didn’t want to do it.” No doubt, a “job” can be less than fulfilling, and usually they are, indeed can be actual drudgery, so why not just admit you didn’t want to do it? God knows I would stay at home if I had the financial wherewithal to do it — and I don’t have kids!
But childcare is drudgery, too, like any job can be — and actually worse than most jobs are — and some people find it intolerably boring. Some women cannot wait to go back to work after their maternity leave is up, and find infants incredibly boring…Does that make them bad mothers? Because they have “Failed” at the “Most Important Job in the World?”
Stay-at-homes like to act like they’ve discovered the key to life with all this self-important blabber about their “most important job in the world” blather, but it perpetuates ugly stereotypes about mothers who choose to work,and it’s intellectually dishonest to boot. A so-called progressive really ought to know better.
JEP @ 234,
“My only question is, will there ever be a mother-in-law who understands “stay-at-home” dads?”
Mine is very cool with it. She and I have always gotten along great though.
“Men get judged harshly when they try to go it on their own, and stay home to watch the children in the process.”
I haven’t run into that. I don’t know what people are saying behind my back, but to my face they all say what a great thing it is.
I confess I don’t feel comfortable being the only dad at play dates though. It’s difficult, because I don’t want to put the ladies off by being overly friendly, but I don’t want to be stand-offish either. I’m never sure if I’m hitting the proper I’m-just-here-for-my-kids stance. Maybe Harry was right.
Crazed Opossum @ 236
Did anyone say that? I call straw man! Although it certainly is among the most important jobs in the world.
Are you saying that being a stay-at-home parent isn’t work? Really?? Try it sometime. You don’t choose to stay at home and raise your children because that’s easier than getting “a real job”. It is a real job, and hard work, and, yes, drudgery.
And not everyone finds it fulfilling. But I sure do, and most parents that I know do. It is, however, real work. And I’ve done (and do) plenty of socially-recognized real work, so I can actually compare.
Is it ditch-digging hard? No.
Is it office-executive hard? Yes.
It is not a way to avoid work.
Ardsgaine @ 237
I had similar trepidations for a while. But, really, the ladies can tell the difference between you being casually friendly and you hitting on them (back me up here, ladies!) Just trust in that and don’t worry — unless you are hitting on them, of course. :)
Hm. I dunno about “intellectually dishonest,” but I can tell you that I was being as honest as I can be. Parenthood for me at least has been, as I say, incredibly rewarding.
That isn’t to say it hasn’t been hard work and at times drudgery, but frankly so is any kind of work you undertake; what matters is what you get out of it at the end.
So I’m just looking back after six years and saying that the rewards ridiculously outweigh whatever costs were incurred along the way.
I know that my experience is colored by being an older parent. We’re more financially secure, and frankly have a better temperament for child-rearing, particularly in the patience category. I know that I was quite a different person 10 years before she was born and would have been quite a different father then.
But I am sensitive to the point about harming the narrative about working women, especially because my intent here was to improve that narrative — to say that men can and should be doing this part of raising families, that we shouldn’t be (a) shunting it off to the bench as “women’s work” and (b) degrading the men who do stay at home to raise kids. Of course it will all depend on the personal temperaments within each family dynamic. Some men are going to be better suited for it, as will some women; maybe they’ll both want to just work (in which case you go the child-care route) or both share in the child-rearing (both work part-time) — whatever your circumstances are, that’s what you oughta do.
And yeah, if you decide not to have kids, good for you too! Some people aren’t fulfilled by it, some are. I just think it’s well past time that men got in on the action, because when they do, I think they’ll stop treating women caregivers as second-class contributors.
Regarding the importances of child-raising vs. being President of the United States: how important was Barbara Bush’s job?
I had such a great weekend with my (grand)daughters, I’ve spent most of my morning missing them. I envy Mr. Neiwart.
This will probably be EPU’d but so what.
One of the most important concepts here is to live the childhood you wanted by giving it to your children.
Another that has been eluded to only is to break the cycle.
My own view is that your parents may not have been perfect but they did the best they could. I may make mistakes with my own children but I’m trying to do the best I can. I may make mistakes but I’m not going to make the same mistakes I recognize that my parents made.
I’m a loving, patient, generous, forgiving parent and my three boys are the greatest gift I have ever gotten.
This is a great thread, thanks.
CTuttle @ 53
Heh, I seriously thought this was going to be http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7fXBhmL9e0 – which is snarky campy irony with a Brit twist on top. :D
Seriously: David, you give me great hope and inspiration.
David:
It’s not that I disagree with your assessment of the joys of being a “stay-at-home” dad, I’ve done that and it was a wonderful experience–I do, however, want to raise a point about your view of masculinity vis a vis parenting. You seem to be saying that men who are the primary caregivers in their families somehow must submerge their masculinity in that historically female role. I just don’t agree at all. I raise my girls as a masculine father–I changed their diapers, read to them, walked with them when they cried, listen to them when they experienced problems at school. But I also taught them how to shoot, how to fish, and how to trap.
As for the men your father hunted with who seemed to you to be less authentically male–the sure judge of a male who isn’t a man is someone who has to talk about his masculinity.
Oh, believe me, I am teaching her all the guy stuff. (She’s very athletic and can whack a baseball a country mile, and loves to kayak and camp with me.) Her mother does a great job introducing her to all things feminine, too.
Really, I’m not at all suggesting we have to submerge our masculinity — I think, like you, rather the opposite. The only thing we have to do is submerge our adultness, sometimes, and get down to their level so they can relate to us.
seepeesate @ 238
thanks for getting this one. I was just going to respond “bitter much?”
I don’t think an honest reading of this is to disparage those don’t or can’t choose to take this route. Rather to challenge the b.s. cultural image of a masculine role distant from child rearing.
Good grief. I grew up in a culture where a man’s masculinity was based, in some considerable part, in his ability to cook. As such, I do the bulk of the cooking in our house. I’ve also never been able to figure out why men can’t vacuum or do the dishes in an environment where they track in most of the dirt and probably eat more than their share of the food. What kind of self-hating slave is “Dr. Helen” anyway? Women are required to wait on men hand and foot or your relationship is somehow perverse? Mind you, I think it’s healthy that “Dr. Helen” and Glenny-boy are airing the dirty laundry of their S&M relationship in public but “Dr. Helen” is mistaken in her delusion that *we* have to adopt *their* alternative lifestyle in order to be happy and satisfied individuals. If “Dr. Helen” enjoys her master-slave relationship with Glenny-boy, bully for her…but to each their own, you know?
Thank you, David, for a beautiful and thoughtful essay which resonates with many of my own experiences. Like you, I began fatherhood in my forties and while not a stay at home dad, did get the opportunity to spend two full days a week with my now six year old daughter for the first few months of her life. I consider those times among the happiest of my life, as I can now leap back into the luxurious moments when the noise of the outside world disappeared as I was focused on the sleeping infant resting on my chest with my senses and heart fully opened. I regret that I have not had that experience with my younger son, but take solace in the way I spend virtually every evening and weekend with them. I recognize much as you do that all of my professional contributions seem small compared to the prospect of helping these two little wonders enter the world as happy and confident young adults (which I hope my wife and I do pull off!).
My father had little time for me-I was the youngest of seven, and he had to work his tail off to support the family-but I spent a great deal of time with a wonderful uncle who was hardly macho, but definitely offered a vision of masculinity that was an alternative to the football stoked, horndog oriented world of my dad. Most importantly, he always found time for children, having had none of his own, and celebrated their creativity and individuality.
I was an avid participant in the now long gone men’s movement of the early nineties, and feel that there was much there to prepare me to be a good father (so long as I can commit to it). I particularly remember Sam Keen’s nuanced discussion of what it means to be a man and a father, and claiming away from any essentialist feminists or masculinists the notion that nurturing is exclusively a female property. All parents can nurture and the character of that bond to our children will bear the stamp of our own experiences, gendered or not, in wonderful, savoring ways.
Thanks again for your wonderful essay and best wishes upon re-entry.
Post-script: It is worth remembering the variety of cultures in all of this-the Danes descended from the hyper-macho vikings have a rule that all citizens-male and female-must be schooled in the essentials of home care (cooking, cleaning, car mechanics.) and certainly that small country is none the worse for it, nor are Danish men terribly `soft’.