The Iowa Debate Dodd Squad, composed of Dodd Bod (guy in a muscle suit), Dodd Rod (Stewart), Dodd Sod (grass) … and Dodd Theropod.
As well as White Hare.
Seriously. They are having some crazy fun in Iowa.
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zed!
yup
before everybody arrives, thanks for the wiki link, al. the basic principle i understand, though i want to spend a little time on the math.
Our therapod is cuter.
TJ @ 3
no problem. I have difficulties with the math also. but I try anyway…
Okay, Teddy, that’s why the infernal spinning wheel…
TexBetsy @ 4
yes he is!
Speaking of math …
Grabel’s Law
“2 is not equal to 3,
not even for large values of 2.”
the spinning wheel is my cue for a new thread.
TJ @ 9
You’re just spinning your wheels waiting for it.
althespook @ 7
Far cuter. Handsome even – not many therapods you can say that out.
TexBetsy @ 8
if you take abstract algebra (the course on the fundamental basis of mathematics) you learn that the structure of all mathematics depends on the fact that 0 is not equal to 1. That is why we cannot divide by zero right now, because with current math dividing by zero is the same as dividing by 1 and you go poof in a puff of pythagorean logic.
Suzanne @ 11
My problem with therapods is all those uneaten bits of brontosaurus in their teeth, and they NEVER floss…
TexBetsy @ 10
No watching’em…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RY_xY_Q-kQE
althespook @ 12
Alfred, it is unwise for me to tread here, as I make common river rocks look competent in math by comparison…
But will Eucledian math solve this deficiency?
I am so sorry I started with math “jokes”. Please forgive me.
newtonusr @ 15
no it is a fundamental flaw in number theory. only one mathematician every has been known to have seen a way around it, a young math student at Oxford named Forsythe. He published part of a paper showing how to work around this, and then went off to war in WW I and was killed by a german machine gun in the battle of the somme river.
Another reason to hate war.
You sure about this Al?
Geez, can’t do any laundry around here without missing a new thread…
Time for me to take my headache and go to bed. Teddy, thanks for posting a Late Late Nite.
g’nite everyone
TexBetsy @ 16
You are forgiven. I LIKE math jokes….
Hope you feel better, Suzanne
Good week for Ron Paul. He took straw polls in both NH and Alabama by wide margins.
Even some bankers support Ron Paul now. Ron Paul would do away with the FED banking system. Imagine, no more fiat money.
I think I found this on FDL, but I don’t remember where but it is so good it bears repeating:
The are 10 kinds of people in the world, those you understand binary and those who don’t.
Suzanne @ 20
night, suzanne. feel better.
Do we believe them?
FEMA Chief Says Agency Has Made Thorough Preparations
Tampa Tribune – 46 minutes ago
WASHINGTON – The government has contracts it can quickly take “off the shelf” for buses, ambulances and relocation camps and has improved communications should Hurricane Dean strike Texas, the head of the Federal Emergency Management Agency said Sunday …
petedownunder @ 23
It’s an old computer geek joke. Several of us have undoubtedly inflicted it on others here due to our lack of punnic scruples.
althespook @ 21
Betsy – I sent yours to my brother – course he’s above all these things, but still, I thought it funny.
petedownunder @ 23
It took a minute, but I caught on. Sad that it took a minute given my computer background.
petedownunder @ 23
An oldie but goldie…
Wake up feeling well, Suz.
althespook @ 21
Except you seem to have missed the point that it was a joke.
TexBetsy @ 25
They can’t even find BULLETS for iraq, and they want us to believe THIS crap?
sure….
Suzanne @ 20
Hope you feel better on the morrow, Suzanne.
Fiance sez the Doddites missed a coupla beats:
Two fish costumes: The Dodd Cod and the Dodd Scrod.
And the Bea Arthur endorsement: Dodd Maude.
TeddySanFran @ 34
Did they have a Dodd Sod dressed up in grass?
TexBetsy @ 31
Oh no, I knew it was a joke. But it was the perfect hook to hang the “one is not zero” lecture on and so I took it. I have a rep to maintain, y’know…certain number of impenetrable lecture posts a night or something…:)
Just a sign, on some imported sod apparently, that sez Dodd Sod.
TexBetsy @ 35
Ha! You beat me.
good nite, suzanne. add my wishes for a headache free morning.
TeddySanFran @ 34
(spew) i like the way the fiance thinks – dont forget the obligatory Dodd Broad
And you, Suzanne, as the Dodd Mod!!
TeddySanFran @ 40
This is only going to get worse….
Loo Hoo. @ 31
I fervently hope so, too!!!
Well, for the religious, where’s the Dodd God?
Wow, you can send questions to Christiane Amanpour about her special Tuesday night on religious crazies:
http://edition.cnn.com/exchang…..tiane.html
Check out what Fred Thompson wore At the State Fair
Dodd NOT endorsed by Teh Kittehs, Dodd Clawed…
althespook @ 42
Ominously, so…!!! ;-)
Hoping there’s no Dodd fraud.
TexBetsy @ 45
Only appropriate that lazybones Thompson would wear LOAFERS…
(puff. pant. flops into beach chair.)
Back from taking BabyBunny (youngest daughter’s childhood nickname, long story) home with stop at the grocery store.
Lucky you, Ben&Jerry’s was on sale. Neopolitan Fudge Ripple in the fridge/freezer over near the tiki lights, along with other yummy flavors. Sorry, no sorbet. I’m greedy & keeping Country Peach Cobbler for myself (”Peach Ice Cream with Cinnamon-Sugar Shortbread Pieces and a Peach Swirl”) … oh, brother (grumpily puts down little paper plates with tastes of ice cream for all the cats that have materialized from various napping places).
demi @ 49
*groan*
Yes, that would be a problem. It would be Dodd-flawed.
ok, ct, hanging head
Loo Hoo. @ 44
Chrissie A is old good cnn. she’s such a media star in the rest of the world that she can tell the current cnn idiots to stuff it anytime she likes and take a job for bbc at double the money. they apparently don’t try to arm twist her on content…
Man, I love peaches so much that I’ll actually make a pie if they’re sweet enough.
and a large Campus rallying lawn:
Dodd Quad
and the heavy metal theme song gesture:
Dodd Nod
and the endorsers at Mystic Seaquarium:
Dodd Pod
and the other-candidate Constitutional poke:
Dodd Prod
althespook @ 50
Gucci loafers, and driven around in a golf cart. Looking cadaverous to boot. Very bad form for the Iowa State Fair.
Teddy, do you see what you started?
but no dodd fraud cause he’s one of the good guys
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 50
Pay particular attention to the one that creates his own cat door to appear through. That’s Pixel, Robert A Heinlein’s cat. It may be God, RH has suggested as much…
And thanks. Yummy! (sneaks off by the stacked beach chairs to scarf the neopolitan fudge ripple…)
TexBetsy @ 26
Remember James Lee Witt? One of Bill’s best appointments.
TexBetsy @ 59
This is teddy’s fault?
And for the epicurean-inclined – Dodd Gnawed
streaming politicsTV:
Dodd iPod
Loo Hoo. @ 56
OK, I’ll bite. Which variety?
demi @ 54
…in these here parts, folks consider it a honor! *sigh* *g* Dang, I done Dodd’d it…!!!
do we have a Dodd bawd yet?
Fern @ 63
That’s the default.
Chris’ horse is Dodd Shod.
*ouch*
ct, i was lying. didn’t hang it at all. i knew you like it.
I have posted the link to this thread over at the Dodd Blog so folks will see all your genius and whimsy. Perhaps the next state fair will feature ideas generated here!
Fern @ 62
no, it’s Balcones Fault, at least here in Texas…
If Dodd got a zed on a Scarecrow post, it would have been…
Dodd Cawed.
Hey, did anyone else notice the Dodd White Ha(i)r(e) video in the right sidebar on youtube? Shows a nice sense of humor :-)
Bob in HI
TeddySanFran @ 58
He really looked bad, almost terminal. I wonder is his lymphoma has gotten more aggressive? His wife must be pushing him hard to run.
demi @ 71
Psst… Don’t tell…!!! *g*
TexBetsy @ 26
I think they’re going to try to pull something similar to the 9/11 aftermath — you know, the one where they claimed they were great for national security because there haven’t been any terrorist attacks since the worst one in American history, instead of being colossal failures because the worst one happened on their watch. Now they’ll try to claim the same thing post-Katrina. I don’t think it’ll fly, though.
We were fortunate enough to have real FEMA with James Witt after the 94 Northridge quake. It was great. That’s why I was shocked when I tried to get FEMA help a few years ago after we had torrential rains one winter and were declared a disaster area. My backyard studio’s roof caved in and all they tried to do was load me down with ridiculous redundant paperwork until after a month of back-and-forth crap they cavalierly dismissed me.
Of course, now I know why but at the time I was puzzled. FEMA used to be helpful.
can’t believe race car fans haven’t mentioned Dodd’s Rod (blinks innocently)
Josh Marshall’s having a little problem with Skube’s logic.
TexBetsy @ 26
Sure I do. I hear they have a lot of temporary trailers ready for use at fire sale prices.
Bob in HI
Time for me to get some sleep. Not sure how much I’ll be on tomorrow. Largely depends on how well I do with the injections, the anesthesia, the pain, etc. I’ll try to at least stop by briefly.
Alicia @ 79
Alicia, where were you during the NR quake? (Valley Girl has family there)
And, if the world were to turn upside down and Broder endorsed Dodd it would be
Brod Nod for Dodd Squad
Alicia @ 79
When it was funded and in-house, out-sourcing has shredded it!!!
Good luck TB
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 80
gah. CRS syndrome strikes again. It was in the main part of the post. That’s what too much ice cream’ll do to my brain.
persiflage @ 85
Persi, must ya pile on, Sheila…??? ;-)
TexBetsy @ 82
sleep well, TexB. We’ll keep the landing lights on at the airstrip on the far side of the lake for ya…
newtonusr @ 66
IMpeaches.
Bob in HI
newtonusr @ 66
The fuzzy kind. What a mess, but you can’t buy a pie that really tastes good. I’ll do rhubarb and cherry once in a while too. Apple, not so much. Crisp those granny smiths!
best wishes, TexB
althespook @ 90
Given how high I may be flying …. could be a good idea.
TexBetsy @ 93
707!
Fern @ 18
The math works something like this. When multiplying, both numbers have equal weight in terms of order. 4 x 6 is exactly the same as 6 x 4. Four units of six and six units of four= same-same.
Division is not the simple reciprocal of multiplication, because the order of the units determines the outcome. Six divided by four = 1.5. Four divided by six = 0.6667.
So, 0 divided by six is 0 (one-sixth of nothing is nothing). However, six divided by zero gives an illogical answer because six is an integer of known value and 0 is an integer of null value. The actual resultant is indeterminate because of the ordering of the numbers. How many parts are there of that six when divided by zero? Because that number of parts is indefinite (indefinable), one simply can’t divide by zero and retain mathematical coherence.
By definition, then, dividing by 1 and dividing by zero are not the same thing. Dividing by one is inherently mathematically coherent, but dividing by zero is not.
I suppose advanced imaginary number theory may find a place for division by zero, but for virtually all applied mathematics–including computer programming–dividing by zero gives an indefinable resultant.
Valley Girl and Alicia,
I was in North Hollywood, close enough, but of my sisters lived in Northridge. Ripped the wall paper at all the corners. She got a bunch of FEMA money to fix up.
CTuttle @ 88
C’mon, it wasn’t THAT bad, was it? I just can’t help it.
Valley Girl @ 84
I live in Sherman Oaks, near Ventura & Woodman. We got hit really hard.
We’ll all be sending positive energy your way, Betsy
TexBetsy @ 26
Wasn’t the inability/failure to perform under “contracts in place” for water,etc the official explanation given for much of the immediate Katrina relief failure? And weren’t these self-same contracts in place the original justification for turning away massive amounts of immediately volunteered supplies and aid?
On a more serious note, the best pie I ever made was a mix of peaches and blackberries.
Night TexBetsy – feel better.
Night, Betsy. Hope tomorrow goes well, land safely!
Valley Girl @ 102
That sounds interesting. Peaches and raspberries might be intriguing, too.
BTW, did you get my missive on your science blog stuff about the expensive Islamic creationism text?
Bob Schacht @ 91
They’re mm-mm good!
FunnyD
persiflage @ 98
Heh, nor can anyone else…!!! ;-)
I think I missed something in Al’s posts. Doesn’t one say it is the same and the other say it isn’t?
hope all headaches, ice cream and otherwise,
clear up –
as for the white hare ad – hilarious:
Dodd Awed *g*
nite all.
Thanks y’all.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
demi @ 97
Our house was knocked 3 inches off its foundation. We were absolutely hammered. It was a real near-death experience – appliances flying around the kitchen, bookcases crashing down, all the contents of the kitchen cabinets (food, dishes, etc) all over the floor. We got FEMA money and an SBA loan, and help was there right away.
Loo Hoo. @ 92
You can’t get Marie Callender’s frozen pies where you are? Razzleberry is awfully dang good!
Peach is so tricky…hard to get enough tart to balance the sweet, and hard to get enough peach flavor through the sweet…
Ooooh! Now, why do I feel an attack of the munchies coming on?
FunnyD
And if he’s telecommuting today, it’s: Dodd HOD (Home office day).
Bob Schacht @ 82
The picture doesn’t do justice to the sight of 20,000 mobile homes sinking in mud. Hopefully they will have out gassed the formalin from the insulation and particle board before they are sold.
demi @ 97
Unfortunately, my mother had “earthquake insurance”, and this turned out to be a total mess. The only thing good I can say as to the “govt” is that the Northridge cops were the best. I couldn’t reach her for days and days. Finally, in desperation, I phoned the NR PD. They went almost immediately, and shoved open the den door (where the chimney had collapsed into), and discovered that the phone was knocked off the hook, and also conveyed my concern. Thank you, NR PD.
Valley Girl @ 102
Yum!
And montag, I’m impressed with your mathematical mind!
montag @ 105
Yes, I did, and sorry for not having responded. I thought that the whole story was very interesting. But, alas probably a much too sophisticated topic for my freshman undergraduates in the South to deal with. Sigh.
Alicia,
It sounded like a jackhammer at my house. I was running down a hall towards the kids’ rooms and the floor was going up and down so much, it was like being on a boat in a terrible storm. I had just had a baby three weeks earlier. It was so scarey.
montag @ 95
This is based on something called group theory and ring theory, which are the mathematical underpinnings of number theory (I think). It has been far too many years and I’m a bit too tired now to go wiki snarfing for it, but i gather the problem is really even simpler than your concept: dividing something into 0 parts is the same as dividing it into one part, namely you get the thing (identity). this is why the zero concept didn’t occur to most of the mathematicians around the med sea where our math got started. Indian math people needed it to make positional numbers work and it flowed over to the islamic cultures via spice trade where it made its way to spain and thus to italy and germany and france and england via the monasteries and universities. When algebra was added to the mix (same sources) and then descartes connected graphing to algebra (the cartesian coordinate plane) western math really began to sizzle, but it was somewhat ad hoc and not formally well grounded IIRC. That’s how zero became a problem, more or less. It just doesn’t work well with the underlying system of western math which is counting based (number line). even in computers we have the Off by one problem, because if you set a loop to run from 2 to 100 times you run it 99 times not a hundred, but if you set it to run from 0 to 100 it runs 101 times.
whew.
had to go rummage around in the closet (no, not that closet) for this, an oldie but goodie.
Posted here on Sept. 19, 06 by brainfaht:
*****This just in: School Teacher Arrested:
In Texas , a public school teacher was arrested today at Bergstrom International Airport as he attempted to board a flight while in possession of a ruler, a protractor, a slide rule, and a calculator.
At a morning press conference, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld said he believes the man is a member of the notorious Al-gebra movement. He did not identify the man, who has been charged with carrying weapons of math instruction.
“Al-gebra is a problem for us”, Rumsfeld said. “They desire solutions by means and extremes, and sometimes go off on tangents in a search of absolute value. They use secret code names like x and y and refer to themselves as unknowns, but we have determined they belong to a common denominator of the axis of medieval with coordinates in every country. As the Greek philanderer Isosceles used to say, there are three sides to every triangle.”
When asked to comment on the arrest, President Bush said, “If God had wanted us to have better weapons of math instruction, he would have given us more fingers and toes.” White House aides told reporters they could not recall a more intelligent or profound statement by the president *********
I have to say that FEMA busted ass to be there for us.
That was then. *sigh*
Alicia @ 99
The damage pattern was really odd. Depended on location. My mother’s house is 3 miles from the epicenter, so she really did get hit hard. But others in places not so close did too.
Oh, and, speaking of pies, is DuPars still extant? I very much remember eating a meal there, during the cleanup.
I suppose they could get a snail shell and have a Dodd Gastropod.
Despite living there 20 years, the Whittier quake was the worst I experienced, and I was on the coast so I’m sure I just got a taste of it. I was in Southern Cal when the one hit SF and SF when the Northridge quake hit.
TJ @ 107
TJ, this is because Al is an idiot. which posts are you referring to?
demi @ 118
Geez, demi. Just a small shake here scares the bejabbers out of me! Glad nobody was hurt and that FEMA came through for you. I’ve struggled for years over whether to buy earthquake insurance, and never have. Sure hope I don’t regret it someday, but it doesn’t cover anything inside that breaks, and the first 80K of structure is not covered.
Loo Hoo. @ 116
I have no doubt that someone more knowledgeable will come along and tear my explanation into shreds. :)
Alicia @ 111
Geez! as I said above, the pattern of damage was really not linear! Sounds like you got hit worse that many closer to the epicenter.
Persi, and fellow Late-late Niters, I posted this on a much earlier thread…
Here’s the best synopsis of Flossie I’ve read:
“Hurricane Flossie came out of the east with an attitude that she was going to terrorize the Big Isle.
With so much attention being given to Flossie, Madame Pele began to feel that she was being ignored, and that wouldn’t do!
Pele simply will not accept a secondary role here, so she arranged the earthquake(5.3) to once again focus our attention on her.
Pele’s sister, Hi’iaka, didn’t like the method used by her sister and went out to meet Flossie.
Flossie then realized that the Big Isle is a special place and, being overcome with the Hawaiian mystic, began slowing her headlong run to a mere crawl, tempered her fierce winds(Cat 2) and decided to just linger awhile, taking in the aloha and providing some much-needed rain, and a lot of interest for the national and local media.”
I can only hope for the best for Jamaica!!! *g*
The Silver Palate solution for lack of flavor in berry pies is a generous dose of liquer (1/3c) mixed with cornstarch for thickener. I should think peach brandy would be a good thing in peach pie.
Their recipe also has lemon juice and three overlapped thin lemon slices on top. I’ve considered trying it for peach, but no crop this year due to Easter freeze.
CTuttle @ 128
Yeah, but Pele got that dayam volcano in Indonesia riled up because it wasn’t getting any press…so now it’s having temper tantrums!
demi @ 118
Wow – a three-week-old! You have me beat. My baby was 2 1/2 and his crib was careening around his room when my husband was trying to get to him.
if my cats caught up to him, he’d definitely be Dodd, pawed.
If he had an unfortunate Big White event, he’d be Dodd Jawed
althespook @ 131
Alas and Alack, the entire ‘Ring of Fire’… Madame Pele is an awesome goddess…!!!
althespook @ 124
I was referring to 12 and 97, but then discovered 97 is not yours, Al. It must be time for bed.
Alicia,
I’d just gotten back to bed after the four o’clock feed and change, so I wasn’t asleep yet. I was running down the hall before I even remembered the baby in the cradle in my room. I yelled for my husband to get him and when it was all over, a closet door had fallen down on the wicker. The memory of seeing that site is burned into my brain.
I must say, however good and bad our respective experiences were, it’s good to have a few on the thread who went through the NR earthquake. It really was totally traumatic. I came back with pneumonia- remember “valley fever”? no, not that valley.
TJ @ 135
you saw montaq @95, where he attempts to show the reason for zero not be usable for division from the rules of multiplication and division on the number line, which is defined as either a group or ring in abstract mathematical terms. His post is quite accurate, but is about two levels up from where I was trying to discuss, which is in my @118.
I’ll work up a wiki link on it for tomorrow. my brain cells are shutting down for the night, I’m afraid…
Valley Girl @ 138
I had valley fever. Fer sure!
newdealfarmgrrrlll @ 119
Brilliant and hilarious, thanks for the belly laugh ndfg!
persiflage @ 140
When that came out, we all thought it was just a silly joke. Now, we can look back and WISH chimpy had been that intelligent…and Rummy too!
(Shudder)
Lakers, I’m going to have to disappear for tonight. i’m crashing and daddy still has to be taken care of before he sleeps. see everyone tomorrow night. Oh, and if I am forced to evacuate will liveblog the whole shebang on ravings…(poof)
Alicia and VG,
Where’d you go to school?
Byrd Jr. High and Poly High – marching band – that’s how I know Greg Palast. We were war protesters together, in band together. I went to his Bar Mitzva.
demi @ 140
very debilitating- did you end up with pneumonia, or just awful lingering illness?
CTuttle @ 128
If only Mother Nature would keep her squabbling children in line. BTW, the same day that you got rattled by Pele, Mr Persi experienced his first earthquake, in the Solomon Islands. Now he thinks he’s quite the earthquake expert.
I wish my brain cells would freeze up the way yours do, AK!
Al,
Give the good Methodist a kiss on the head for me. :)
demi @ 144
Northridge JH, Cleveland High.
Valley Girl
Fortunately, just the latter.
althespook @ 142
yeah, the body of the joke still makes me laugh, but the Rummy/chimpy references make me kinda sick at our collective innocence …
good night, all. Hope the Dodders enjoy this thread when they check it out!
demi @ 150
when did you figure out that it wasn’t just because of “stress”? really, a whole lot of nasty stuff got kicked up from the dirt, including valley fever.
Valley Girl @ 153
Oh, I had it when I was a child.
TeddySanFran @ 152
Bon Nuit, Monsieur!!!
TeddySanFran @ 152
Good night, Teddy. Now that you and Suz are both out of here, perhaps we should call the Dodd Squad!
Good Night Teddy,
I’m heading up North tomorrow. Pismo, then Big Basin. Meeting up with Suzanne for ice cream.
I hope you and the fiance have sweet dreams.
demi @ 154
if not after the quake too, then better.
Thanks for a great thread, Teddy.
Valley Girl @ 153
Hey, VG
I think I was a callow undergrad at the time, so I missed the whole valley fever aspect. Got a couple minutes to fill me in a bit more?
I went through Loma Prieta (which was centered quite a few miles from SF, but everyone knows where SF is), and don’t remember anything like that. Just the Embarcadero Freeway collapsing like a pancake and a section of the Oakland Bay Bridge popping out.
FunnyD
Anything over a 4.5 and I’m under a table making deals with god.
demi @ 157
Hey, Demi
Wave “hello” to SLO town for me! And say hi to the Big Trees, too.
FunnyD
althespook @ 119
Ah, but that’s a function of integer counting, which treats 0, effectively, as a starting place integer, not a value. The computer is essentially counting places by the total number of integers. That’s logically coherent, mathematically.
Tell a computer to divide by 0 and you know exactly what it’s going to do. :)
I had just taken off my clothes to step into the shower when I experienced my first bigger quake, Whittier. I wound up plastered to the inside of the front door clasping a towel. I figured I wouldn’t go outside naked unless the house started falling down.
Funnydiva2002 @ 161
argh. the time! I can’t get used to first shift. Good night, all you excellent pups! (poof!)
TJ @ 163
Door frames are mighty secure…
nite all. i’m poofing too.
G’nite, Sleepers…!!!
CTuttle @ 165
That was my theory. I had no idea what to expect. As it turns out absolutely nothing happened despite me feeling like I was on a himalaya ride.
Funnydiva2002 @ 160
There was a lot of press about it at the time
“”Oxnard man succumbs to valley fever.” The article in the Ventura County Star linked the disease (coccidioidomycosis) to a dust cloud that resulted from the January 1994, 6.7 magnitude Northridge earthquake. Spores of a fungus occurring naturally in local soil were carried in a dust cloud over Simi Valley where it caused a miniature epidemic, according to Ventura County Public Health Officer, Dr. Gary Feldman.” that came from my first google, link http://www.albrightseed.com/realityregs.htm google for more.
And, I did my grad studies in Santa Cruz. Not there at the time, but many friends there. That also has quite a few memories for me. And, because of the limestone substructure in the area, the sites of damage were also very, very non-linearly distributed, and seemed independent of the closeness to the epicenter.
demi @ 164
That would be way cool. Have a great trip. Be careful on the windy mountain roads, though.
Very true about the trees. As a very small toddler I once tried to look all the way up to the tippy-top of one of the ones at Roaring Camp (which is near-ish to Suzanne). Fell right on my butt, of course. I don’t remember firsthand, but it’s family lore.
FunnyD
TJ @ 169
…and half-assed nakid…!!! *g*
Oh, and re: Loma Prieta, Suz was working cop time during this. We have discussed this in emails and chat. She has stories.
Valley Girl @ 122
Oh lord yes. DuPar’s is still here and still rockin’. We love it.
Valley Girl @ 173
I just bet. Which town/city was she working for at the time? It was one bugger of a week. And then for another month a favorite game around the lab was “rate the aftershock”.
1994…Ok, then I have a bit more excuse for callowness…I was in the 2nd or 3rd year of my graduate work at the UW. World was very, very small at that time.
FunnyD
Alicia @ 174
Oh, thank you, Alicia! I am so glad to hear that. It really is an institution.
Was the Whittier earthquake in 1970?
CTuttle @ 171
I remember wishing I had shoes, but no way I was going back upstairs to find them until things stopped moving.
TJ @ 178
I hears ya…!!! ;-)
TribeScribe @ 57
And let’s not forget the Dodd Hod, which will hopefully hit the other candidates like a ton of bricks.
Loo Hoo. @ 176
I think 86 or 87.
Funnydiva2002 @ 175
Right now, I can’t remember where Suz was working, but she was not living in Boulder Creek at that time. Somewhere else in the Bay Area.
demi @ 144
I’m a Florida native – went to King high in Tampa – but Oct.1 I will have been here in LA 20 years. My very first day in LA was the day of the Whittier quake – a mere burp compared to Northridge.
How cool about Greg Palast! I’ve met him very very briefly and he seems very nice. Are you still in touch?
burnspbesq @ 180
Dang, Punaise can stay in the South of France…! No slippage noticed…!!! ;-)
Loo Hoo – the Whittier quake was Oct 1, 1987 – my 1st day in LA. I thought of ‘earthquakes’ like that clip of Mexico City when the giant building crumbles, so I didn’t even know it was a real quake. My folks in FL were sure I was dead.
CTuttle @ 179
Me too, me too!
As I recall, Whittier is typical CA ‘burbs. Not many tall buildings or brick buildings.
Anyway…outside is not always a very safe place during a quake. Inside is usually much safer, depending on the type of structure, of course. Seattle got a little tembler one Ash Wednesday, and many of the old buildings downtown dupmed big piles of brick into the streets and onto cars. 12 hours earlier and there would have been a lot of Mardi Gras revelers in that part of town. That may even have been the year of the infamous Mardi Gras riot.
FunnyD.
Sometimes, one can’t really tell what’s going on because of dislocations in the substructure and patches of amorphous rock. We had one teeny 3.0 here in the Southwest years back, and nary a glass tinkled. But, when I lived in the suburban Boston area, one far away–with the epicenter near Montreal, about a 3.0–caused me to give pause. I was sitting in an old, beat-up recliner after it happened and the chair (and me) started rocking back and forth for about thirty seconds. I suppose the chair was in just the right place to align with the long waves radiating out from that event, but it was a surprise, nonetheless.
Alicia @ 184
LOL, I was naked and terrified and Alicia didn’t even think it was real.
The new theory about the safest place to be in a quake is the ‘triangle’ theory – if you get beside a bed or other large object, anything that falls from above will miss you if you are in the ‘triangle’ between the bed and the falling object. They seem to change their theories every few years.
TJ @ 188
Certainly differing reverie, eh??? ;-)
Funnydiva2002 @ 112
LooHoo wouldn’t have to settle for a frozen Marie Callender pie; there are MC restaurants in Carlsbad, Encinitas, and Escondido.
montag @ 187
The overall duration and the type of motion make a difference, too. And the soil. Bedrock good. Fill, bad. Very Bad.
FunnyD.
Alicia @ 189
gotta laugh, in a probably inappropriate way. Still, I think that doorframes are a good bet.
Alicia @ 189
That’s for sure. But whatever you learn in grade school, or when you move to ‘quake country is what sticks.
I think that theory is “find an interior wall and get right next to it.” or any other large, solid object. There seems to be a “pocket” there when things fall. How that’s different from getting UNDER something solid and letting it take the hits is unclear to me.
Obviously, I went to the Duck and Cover school of earthquake response.
FunnyD
Almost every quake I did go through happened when my husband was on a business trip. So did the LA riots. Because they were shooting at the planes landing at LAX, he wound up flying into Orange County and renting a car to get home.
It was after that he decided that we were moving to northern California.
I moved out here with my best friend – we sold all our stuff and took a month to drive from Florida to LA and our apartment was going to be ready Oct. 1, which is why I remember it so well.
We had my friend’s Sheltie with us and drove in the night before. We needed to stay in a motel overnight and no place in Hollywood would let us in because of the dog, so we finally found this really seedy motel with a big sign in the lobby stating that ‘prostitution was a violation of the penal code’.
So we settle in for the night and at 6:45 AM the room start to vibrate around, and Lidy (the Sheltie) started running around and yapping. That was pretty much all there was to it for us.
I didn’t even bother to call my family because (in those long-ago pre-cell days) our phone was not yet hooked up, and they all were hearing every 15 minutes on TV about ‘the earthquake in Los Angeles’.
burnspbesq @ 191
And Pismo Beach, and all over the dang place. There’s even one up here in Seattle.
I just couldn’t remember where LooHoo resides is all.
And sometimes, I want the whole pie for myself, hot outta the oven. No muss, no fuss, no tipping. Marie’s are certainly the best frozen ones I’ve run across.
FunnyD
TJ @ 181
Whittier was 1987. There was a big quake in the northeast Valley in 1971.
A little 10 month old boy was found in the rubble of the Peruvian earthquake.
You can buy the whole ones at Marie’s too.
TJ @ 195
Why not ocean-front property in Arizona…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTsFQGuLch4
Loo Hoo. @ 199
It’s amazing that an infant can survive what adults can’t. I remember that from soem other disasters too.
TJ @ 195
Yeah, the LA riots were scary. Even just watching the news from the Bay Area.
Hubby realized/realizes that Nor Cal gets earthquakes, too? They even got a significant Tsunami once upon a time!
Not so much population density to support large-scale rioting and looting, though. If I’m interpreting “northern California” correctly.
FunnyD
funnyD- OT, but anything you can do to change Steve Porter’s position about dividing Iraq? I was very impressed by most of his BA chat, but this plan does not look good.
burnspbesq @ 191
Yes, but I don’t like them. Nothing like a homemade pie! Where do you live, burnspbesq?
Funnydiva2002 @ 203
LMAO, those were my points exactly. And actually, we moved into Palo Alto the year after East Palo Alto had the highest per capita murders of anywhere in the country.
TJ @ 202
Unlike us older folks, kids are still pretty rubbery. They fall, they bounce a little, and their bones haven’t started to get brittle yet.
Unfortunately, this one is probably going to grow up an orphan, which is a different set of problems….
TJ @ 200
Oh yeah. Not usually for ~$5 though…
You’re right, though. Frozen is a step down from the restaurant ones. And the restaurants have more flavors.
Mmmmm. Pie.
Good thing I just had some Hogs n Dogs Caramel Cone ice cream to take the edge off…
Loo Hoo. @ 205
I live in Orange, not far from the eastern end of the 22 freeway. My Congressman (Royce) is almost as bad as yours. But we can watch the Disneyland fireworks from our front yard.
Valley Girl @ 204
Notice he never responded to my observation about the ridiculous funding letter he sent out?
And, the partition stuff simply means he’s bought into the divide-and-conquer routine that was at the heart of the creating chaos strategy implemented right from the start….
TJ @ 202
OMG, yes. Remember that awful winter plane crash in DC? Long ago. I still remember a diver coming out of the river with a little kid that looked like a rag doll, but apparently that kid survived.
Brrrrr.
FunnyD
montag @ 210
I noticed his lack of response to your comment, which was very polite.
Unlike us older folks, kids are still pretty rubbery. They fall, they bounce a little, and their bones haven’t started to get brittle yet.
______
True, Montag. Whenever I watch a toddler learning to walk fall down on his/her butt, I think about what would happen to me if I did that!
I didn’t donate to Porter. Partly because of his idea that we could just divide up a country, but also because of the way he was slamming democrats. I didn’t get the sense that he would be a Bernie at all.
I bid you all a fond adieu, Aloha Oe!!! *g*
Night, CTuttle.
Gnight, CT
Loo Hoo. @ 214
Gawd, I wish we could clone Bernie a few hundred times. :)
Bernie doesn’t agree with the Dems 100%, but he does caucus with them and counsels them to move toward the most progressive stances on most issues.
I love Bernie. I think I first came upon him in an interview I read online. Something to the effect that Bush is not a conservative, he is a right wing extremist.
I think I’m going to join the sleeping folks. Gnight everyone.
Last night or the night before, some of us were discussing the damage to Shuttle Endeavor and the decision not to repair the damage. We’ll soon see whether that decision was the right one, but in the meantime, the NYT is crowing about how much better the decision-making process was this time. I hope they’re right.
Bob in HI
montag @ 218
On edit, I would add that if there’s any writer today who would call foul on a phony politician, it’s Matt Taibbi. Taibbi spent three weeks, a couple of years ago, following Bernie Sanders around in Congress, and Bernie showed him just how the system was working at the time–particularly how the `pugs had completely taken over all aspects of the rules committee in the house to shape the agenda to their liking.
Taibbi came away with a new perspective of Congress, and it was Bernie who showed him what was up, mostly by doing what he did every day of the week.
Bernie spends a lot of time on Air America, and just seems so folksy and honest.
montag @ 210
Actually, as I recall, he did respond to your obbo about the funding letter. Probably not the sort of response you were looking for, but he replied to all comments that were directed to him…even some very trivial ones.
VG, I have no idea why he’d listen to me. There’s no reason you couldn’t “spotlight” Siun’s post from earlier today to his campaign email, is there? I don’t know how spotlighting works. I’d considered just sending him the URL, though. As a courtesy FYI.
What’s clear to me from reading Siun and some early 20th century history of Iraq and talking to an Egyptian friend whose father taught history is that even educated, well-informed experts don’t agree how to handle the mess. And that most have some sort of bias or axe to grind, whether they want to admit it or not.
So, I guess I’m not the best intermediary.
What’s totally, painfully ironic is that the borders of modern Iraq were drawn by the British as a way to _unite_ and conquer. The idea was that any national leader would not be strong enough to govern without British support.
Anyway…I’m not convinced that any single expert or Iraqi or blogger or historian has the only right answer and that everyone else is wrong.
FunnyD
Funnydiva2002 @ 224
Hmm. Must have come well after. I checked just after the session was over, and there was no reply I could find. I’ll have to poke through the archives and see what he said, if he replied.
FunnyD, before now I had already thought that if I could find his email, I would send the info to him. It just seemed to me that he was very appreciative of your comments on the thread, and thus I thought that perhaps you had contacted him previously.
What question did you ask, montag?
Valley Girl @ 226
Nope. Hadn’t even heard of him before that discussion. He did post his website and snail mail info a couple of times because of the Act Blue snafu. That’s all very late in the thread.
I’m still looking for the response I remember to montag’s feedback about the fundraising letter.
Belated g’nite to all SleepyPups. I’ll be off to bed here pretty soon, too.
FunnyD
montag:
It’s #176 in the BlueAmerica/StevenPorter thread. I don’t know how to get a permalink.
FunnyD
Loo Hoo. @ 227
Montag is at comment 80 and the response is at 176. sorry, don’t know how to get a permalinky.
You still up, LooHoo?
I think I’m going to read the last of the comments on that candidate thread and turn in. I was amazed just now to see that Dr Porter was back with responses this morning.
FunnyD
Thanks, diva. I’ll go check.
Funnydiva2002 @ 224
Umm, maybe not exactly uniting. The Sykes-Picot plan cut up goodly-sized hunks of the former Ottoman Empire in that region. Iraq, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Trans-Jordan, Palestine, etc., not to mention other unmentionables in the west central Asia area, such as Azerbaijan and Armenia, which brought additional miseries.
The emphasis, I think, however, ought to be on contemporary efforts by imperial entities to order the region to their own liking, then and now. That’s at the root of all the discussion today about partition–we’re presuming to decide Iraq’s future on the basis of what we in the West perceive as in our best interest.
The Iraqis can decide for themselves what’s best for them only if they are free from occupation and outside influence.
However, the power elite in this country can’t let that happen. Their survival depends upon it.
here is the permalink but I miss how it answers montag’s question about the fundraising letter, having read a few times through.
But, it’s late here, and time for me to sign off.
Loo Hoo. @ 227
I commented about a funding letter he sent out, a few months after his loss, to all people who’d contributed to his campaign previously.
Valley Girl @ 233
My question comes at 80. His answer comes at 178. I missed it. But, all he says is that he sent out a fundraising letter to all his previous contributors based on how much he thought he needed to raise. Duh, I knew that. I got one–that was what I was talking about. What he didn’t address was the somewhat hysterical tone of the letter, and the issue I raised, that he was going to drive off his small, out-of-state contributors by using a demanding tone to squeeze a couple of hundred bucks out of people who didn’t have it.
Ah, well.
Valley Girl @ 233
Belated goodnight, VG.
That’s why I said that he’d responded, but probably not the response montag was looking for. Not answering the question in a certain way isn’t the same as not responding, and montag’s assertion was that Dr Porter hadn’t responded at all.
FunnyD
Funnydiva2002 @ 236
I didn’t think he had. I waited around until the session was about over and hadn’t gotten one, so that’s why I said that.
No biggie.
I found his reply just now from the permalink and don’t think it addressed the point of what I was saying.
Not a biggie, either. Porter ain’t getting his two hundred bucks from me, because I don’t have it to spare. But, he might not get anything in the future, either, because he evaded the issue–and then asked me to donate to him, anyway.
I meant “unite” in a sort of ironic way. As in carving out disparate pieces and pasting them together into an unstable mass and calling it a state.
I think I agree about the power elite and their self interest in Iraq. But I’m unconvinced of a few things:
first, that Dr Porter qualifies as a member of that “set”
second, that his sources of information on Iraq are entirely and only in that set
and
third, that any American who suggests anything other than “get the fuck out now” is by definition either a member of the self-interested power elite or some sort of colonialist.
I actually skipped Siun’s thread earlier because I’m tired of the hostile tone I’m perceiving here when anyone doesn’t agree 100% with “get the fuck out now” and the knee jerk reactions that say a lot more about the commenter than about what they’re responding to.
Whew. A very complicated and charged topic for this time of night/morning. I’m off to bed.
It’s been a good discussion, though. Hope I haven’t sounded short-tempered or pissy with anyone. I do make a conscious effort to learn from everyone at the Lake, even when I disagree.
FunnyD
montag @ 232
Funnydiva2002 @ 238
Sorry, missed the irony. :)
Didn’t say that. Said he’d bought into that thinking. That’s something anyone can do. They don’t have to be part of that elite to embrace the thinking.
Hell, who are his sources of information on Iraq? Did he give citations from on-the-ground people who agree with his view? Frankly, I don’t think he has any more specialized knowledge of Iraq than the rest of us. He’s a musician and a golfer by trade and hobby.
Well, time to turn tables. If we had been invaded by a foreign occupier for, now, fifty-three months, and that occupiers’ politicians were running for office on what they would do about our disposition, and how they would cut up our pie in furtherance of their own careers, ambitions, glory, profit and futures, what would you think? You’d want them the hell out of your country. It just might be that simple, y’know.
Maybe so. But, if you can’t walk a few miles in an ordinary Iraqi’s shoes, you might be missing the point about it all. (!)
petedownunder @ 24
I think you have that backwards…01.
Anyone hear anything about the terrorist cell that was rounded up after trying to attack the US Congress while they are on August Recess, yet?
Wasn’t that the “critical” reason that McConnell was using to put pressure on the the Congress to pass their revisions to the FISA!
There was supposed to be all this “chatter” that some big attack was “imminent”. So if we were able to track it down…well the evil plot would be destroyed before Washington D.C. went up in a mushroom cloud.
So where is the “Big Bust”? Or the attack?
Or were the Repugs lying?
Naaahhh! Not THAT!
Good morning, pups. The NYT has Cohen on the pitfalls of subprime loans, Kristof on energy policy (his last column before a book-writing hiatus) and Krugman on new-fangled bank runs.
http://mgpaquin.wordpress.com/
Coffee and tea are all ready, and the biscuits are hot out of the oven. (I’m fixing myself a bacon biscuit. If you’re in the mood there’s plenty of crispy bacon.) It’s Monday, and we’re scheduled to broil again today. Have the best Monday you can.
montag @ 232
I read siun’s post about Vitter’s views. But while I appreciate the critique of the naive view that “we” can somehow manage a tripartite division of Iraq…I have to disagree with the view that “if we leave it will all be copasetic”. To think that because, during Saddam’s era there were a mixing of ethnic groups and intermarriages and that things will return to this without some years of turmoil is I think, as naive as thinking we can stage manage some “autonomy” solution.
If we remain it will continue to get worse…if we leave it will get worse.
Our invasion and occupation has resulted in a Hobson’s dilemma. There are going to be no good solutions. There will be conflicts over Mosul and Tikrit, there will be continued “ethnic cleansing” in mixed neighborhoods…
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..00700.html
Bombings in areas where “retaliation attacks” against rival militias will continue to occur. And, even where there are groups with fairly homegenous ethnic backgrounds, different militia factions will battle it out. That’s exactly what’s happening now that the Brits are pulling out of Southern Iraq. The Sadrists and the Badr Brigades (SCIRI) are battling it out for who will fill the vacuum.
History is a useful guide sometimes, but the old agrarian/mercantile “Iraq”…which sometimes didn’t include peoples or areas that are part of the current political entity, and certainly not with their current experiences….isn’t today. Plus there is the complicating factor that creates conflict almost everywhere it is found…and that is OIL. If people were simply living in an Agrarian/Mercantile economy, without such a destablising resource, peoples would largely live where they could generate their own wealth by their own sweat. But oil wealth causes increased disparities in wealth, and consequently conflicts between those who seek it. Throw in heavy weapons and explosives and you have a recipe for longterm disaster.
But to think that the US can control any of this (rather than foment it – which it is excellent at doing by taking out prevailing order) is a fantasy.
hope everyone has read Scott Horton’s post on the Padilla trial over at Harper’s (sorry, can’t paste links on iPhone). Really scary. He makes a point that I haven’t seen made elsewhere: although Padilla was nominally convicted of conspiracy, given the lack of evidence of any overt acts in furtherance of the conspiracy what Padilla was actually convicted of is literally Orwellian.
Jose Padilla is the first American ever convicted by an American court of thought-crime.
Good morning pups!
Morning, all. Arianna coming up on MSNBC.
Good Morning!
solai @ 246
Please keep Me3 posted ;)
Will do. She’s not on yet.
on Washington Journal, once again a caller complained that Obama was Muslim. She apologized when corrected then sincerely said “I don’t know where I got that idea.”
cinnamonape @ 243
Okay, we were very stupid in making this mess. Does that, illogically, give us the right to continue on as we have in the faint hope of fixing the mess?
That, in itself, is colonial thinking.
Look, leaving is actually quite simple. I’ve laid out the possible terms again and again and again. Safe passage out for soldiers, complete renunciation of claims, contractual or otherwise, to the country resources, all hinging on three things: regular payments by the US for reparation and reconstruction for a set period of time, which we owe the Iraqis (say, for five years), and that those payments discontinue while a) violence continues, b) Iraqis do not submit reconstruction/reparation money to independent international auditing and c) the Iraqis do not make constitutional changes guaranteeing that the majority may not tyrannize the minorities.
Certainly, there are diplomatic details in this that would have to be resolved, but the essence is there.
We give up and go away, and prove to the Iraqis, by word and deed, that we did not invade them to steal their natural resources, on which they greatly depend. We prove to them we respect their sovereignty by leaving them alone. And, we guarantee them reparations of reasonable amount for a reasonable time, with conditions designed to protect the least powerful in their country.
That’s a reasonable solution to the problem, but is one that the power elite in this country will not embrace, because, in their minds, American interests come first. That’s nothing more than the most brutish sort of colonial thinking masked as sensitivity to the destruction we’ve already caused. It’s old, man, very, very old.
We are fucked unless we understand that, first and foremost, we fucked up, not the Iraqis. We turned their country upside down, and we did so for money and power, and the Iraqis know that better than our own people do.
And, now, we’re deciding what’s best for them?
That a lie we tell ourselves to excuse the things we never should have done. It doesn’t matter the reason for the lie. What matters is that it is a lie, and it’s one we repeat, like a mantra to soothe ourselves, when the ugly truth stares us in the face.
Did you all see Rove with Gregory? Worst interview ever. Either Gregory can’t think on his feet or he’s an enabler. Truly, any one of us could have done better.
Elliott @ 250
Laugh or cry?
solai @ 253
I laughed because that’s exactly the impression Fox News, et al intended.
cinnamonape @ 241
I’ve been making this same point. In fact, literally within a couple of days of the Dem FISA cave-in, CNN and other “respected” news outlets were running stories about how “terror level” had been reduced.
I remember yelling at the radio WTF! How many times are people gonna fall for this schtick?!?
solai @ 253
I laughed because that’s exactly the impression Fox News, et al intended.
but I should have cried
Every time. Or they’re weak on terror.
And, did you hear the caller on Washington Journal say “we’re no longer ‘we the people’ it’s now ‘we the corporations’.
MSNBC: Talking Rove. Showing MTP clip. Bernstein on phone. Really knocking BushCo. ‘most catastrophic, incompetent, dishonest’
solai @ 257
not today, but I have heard that before, recently
mornin’ all!
The call-in this morning is on Hillary and Rove’s comments about her.
There aren’t many callers supporting her. And they are low on Republican callers.
Matt Stoller coming up!
Off to get ready for work. See all later.
Speaking of Dodd…
There shoulda been some Dodd Wads (people dressed in wads of cash) in Iowa, representing Christopher’s best friends – the MEGA-rich.
I started looking into him the more I read about him, since he was so right on so many issues. I was dissappointed to find out he constantly over the years will defend the richest of the rich, of which he receives more campaign donations than anybody, even Hillary.
Is it just coincidence that he chairs the Senate Banking Committee?
It’s really almost comical when you look through some articles over the years (here’s a good starting point.)
I think one could make the point that the people Dodd takes the most cash from and has defended for many years, are some of the main string-pullers in our government and economy.
Stoller on WJ NOW
Did Chris Dodd’s hair turn white after he left his acting role as the father/architect on the tv show ‘O.C.?’
Good morning!!!
I seriously admire Chris Dodd and he’s my choice for Pres (after Gore)(with Gore)!!1!!!
For the techies i have a question – every thread that gets into the 250s, i have this strange grey square – this time at #257 and 258. any guesses?
Connecticut is also a haven for Insurance Companies, so Dodd is their Senator.
just sayin’
I like a lot of what he has to say. I’m glad he’s in the race, he adds much to the conversation that’s been developing through this series of debates.
Never mind! Foxfire had the grey square, but Safari does not.
egregious @ 264
thanks for the heads up! matt is doing great.
Andrea Mitchell — major BushCo pimpin’ and Rove rehab this morning.
NBC has really sold out its mortal journalistic soul, hasn’t it.
Bernstein rocks.
solai @ 257
One corporation, one vote.
Stoller isn’t having any problems using the word “liar”. No pussy footing around this mornin’. *g*
It was mentioned yesterday a.m. on Wash Journo that they’re making an effort to have new faces on this week. If you approve of the move, give C-Span a shout-out.
Come on upstairs to Christy’s new thread.
Miscalculations