Comments on: FDL Book Salon – “Feingold: A New Democratic Party”

By: big brother

big brother — Mon, 20 Aug 2007 07:05:11 +0000

Hello;
There is no IRAQ anymore. Bush have divided it back to the pre 1920 British model. An article by seven 82nd Airborne non coms in the NYT today gives the most realistic evaluation of the American occupation of Iraq, the dissolving of their government the tribal/religious fractionalization and the emergence of a possible Shite state aligned with Iran who were defined as the “Axis of Evil” by the Bush administration. Bushco has caused the political demise of a nation, destroyed the infrastructure and caused 4 million people to be homeless, 600,000 Iraqis slaughtered not to mention the death of 3831 of our brave troops doing their duty. He has elevated nuclear tensions an armed the disarranyed factions. Worse even yet he has destabilized the whole region, caused Americas international and national reputation to be in the sewer with torture and disregard for the Geneva Convention, and wasted our national treasury creating a mountain of debt unparalleled in our history. He has politicized our Judiciary and all branches of government illegally and against the Constitution. In deregulating the economy by appointing industry corporate officials the foxes guarding the hen house, he has pushed the economy to the brink of recession (”It’s the economy stupid”). He has brought our military to the breaking point while threatening to start another war with Iran. He has let escape Osama Bin Laden the chief of Jihad terrorism against USA and the instigator of 9/11. He has reduced our liberties and spying on us by satellite and our daily telecommunication which may be available to the RNC we do not know as he has thumbed his nose at Constitutional Congressional oversight by invoking “Executive Privilege” to stonewall thc U.S. congress and has installed an Attorney General and the Justice department as a “Firewall” against ‘We the People”. We are now more at peril of terrorism than ever and he has ignited the wrath of the 1.5 billion Muslims throughout the world. In doing this he has destroyed the reputation of the “grand old party”. Republicans of Barry Golwater ilk such as Jon Dean are schocked at their neocon right-wing extremists who show no restraint in stooping to political “dirt tricks”. If this administration is not held accountable a signal will be sent to future administrations that “the rule of law” is no restraint against immoral, unethical behavior and crimes against humanity. If extremism of the East is met with extremism from the West then the future of civilization is at the brink of annihilation.
This administration has shown no willingness to stop these actions. Impeachment by the US House of Representative, whether the Senate convicts or not, is now the only way for the American public and the US Congress to get to the bottom of who did what and what were criminal activities. This is an indictment of the far right who has united church and state against the wishes of the founding fathers who understood what devisiveness that has created. If we wish to continue to be controlled by a corporate oligarchy then Impeachment is off the table. If we wish to go back to democratic principals of transparent government by the people then we must Impeach this out of control administration who has abused their power and usurped even more power toward executive dictatorship.

By: MarkH

MarkH — Mon, 20 Aug 2007 02:07:50 +0000

Jonathan @ 88

I think I understand FDL.

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I love this place.

Don’t forget to say something foul now and then…just to fit in.

By: MarkH

MarkH — Mon, 20 Aug 2007 01:54:37 +0000

Dimitri @ 20

None of these privileged plutocrats live in the “real world” . We’re not allowed to take bribes and ignore an oath to the country, we’d be in prison. We don’t have good health care, we have to work a five day workweek,etc, etc………

The real world Shillary is talking about is nothing new, the legal bribery in our political structure that allows tyranny and kicks democracy to the curb.

I think “the real world” Hillary is talking about was the 1980s when Republicans were soaking up ALL the campaign contributions and she & Bill had to find new and different ways to get money from some of the same sources Republicans had been using. This explains clearly why she won’t cease accepting bribes, er contributions from lobbyists or anybody else. She learned money was everything…just like a Republican, and she isn’t going to try to get by without it. She saw very clearly how Bill got past Jerry Brown (who only took $100 or less from individuals) during the 1992 primary and she isn’t about to play that underdog character.

She could easily repeat the line from Gone with the Wind where Scarlett swears she will never go hungry again. Of course, she doesn’t wear the same kinds of curtain dresses that Scarlet wore. I’ll bet she can cuss like Rhett though.

The lingering question with anyone like this is whether they perform for pay or not. One never knows for certain.

Personally I prefer the Brown or John Edwards approach of making it perfectly clear who you feel most beholden to and then there’s never that question to answer.

By: Eureka Springs

Eureka Springs — Mon, 20 Aug 2007 01:29:15 +0000

P.S. I was not at all under the impression Russ was speaking against impeachment of Gonzo.. if that is true… well.

By: Eureka Springs

Eureka Springs — Mon, 20 Aug 2007 01:26:22 +0000

bmaz, learning as I go and thanks to folks like you that is how I understood the situation to be re censure vs impeachment..

And I reiterated that point in both the dkos Feingold post/thread and in several emails to him as well.

I agree with you all re impeachment, rabidly! We have to get to the bottom of what the he** has been happening and hold them accountable while filling up the Hague!

I am more than ready to toss out 95 percent of our senate and congresscritters.. Just not ready to give up on dear Russ yet. I know he didn’t say it and it ~~disappoints~~ depresses me to hear his thoughts on the issue at this point in time..but I think he would support hearings in a NY minute if there were anything close to a real possibility of that happening in DC now.. perhaps my hunch is misguided… but we do indeed have much larger fish to fry.

By: jayackroyd

jayackroyd — Mon, 20 Aug 2007 00:50:28 +0000

Dammit. I am so sorry I missed this.

Here’s an interview with Sandy that I did in Second Life.

By: bmaz

bmaz — Mon, 20 Aug 2007 00:28:38 +0000

Eureka Springs – If you come back and see this. My guess is that you know I am an impeachment hawk. Irrespective of anyone’s position on impeachment of Bush and Cheney; it is simply beyond me how anybody can be against the remedy for Gonzales. As you are probably aware, there are certain powers and abilities that spring from an impeachment investigation that simply do not exist otherwise; and a censure process doesn’t get you there. It is not just about retribution, it is about finding out the true extent of all the malevolence that has occurred. Censure not only doesn’t get you there, it gives an out to the GOP and weak Dems to say that we have done enough. That is unacceptable in my opinion. Even from an otherwise stand up guy like Feingold.

By: Eureka Springs

Eureka Springs — Sun, 19 Aug 2007 23:54:23 +0000

A Citizen, Well that is whole different kettle of fish, imo. And I agree with much of what you say and your expectations. Senator Feingold had very long open discussions a dkos about his position and I must say I was disappointed but respect the Senators position at this juncture.

I would be thrilled if censure were placed on the table as a means to further investigations and impeachment.. if it wouldn’t serve that purpose or would impede that possibility.. then we must stay on Senator Russ so he wont pursue it.

All in all the man is a great public servant and listens to us while speaking honestly and openly as he can in return.

Considering the gang of senators he is surrounded by I am amazed he can keep it together as much as he does.

By: Pachacutec

Pachacutec — Sun, 19 Aug 2007 23:49:31 +0000

I just talked to Sandy and he had been pulled away by stuff at home, but he wanted me to make sure to convey to everyone his warm appreciation for the reception he got here today, and his gratitude for all the questions.

He hopes he can find an excuse to come back again sometime!

By: A.Citizen

A.Citizen — Sun, 19 Aug 2007 23:41:43 +0000

Eureka Springs @ 49

Knut Wicksell @ 34

I’m not one to defend Shillary, but I would guess her ‘real world’ point was that the Republicans at that time had a world-beating direct mail programme to solicit small donations, that the Dems couldn’t then come close to matching. In her view, to close off the other sources was like unilateral disarmament. That’s where she comes from. The netroots have changed that equation. We now match the thugs in small donations and our base is growing.

Respectfully, it is much more than that, imo. Hillary doesn’t want to speak the truth nor share even her view of it with we the little people and one need simply look no further than the DLC page on wiki or study how she and Bill worked together in the past to understand that.

Russ speaks well and needs no high paid consultants because he is working from facts and always relying on that darned old constitution as his guide.

Then please explain to me his opposition to impeachment of….well, anybody. It was not long ago that he stated for the record that ‘Impeachment would be too trying…for the nation’.

I’ve watched the Senator question the slippery Abu Gonzo, did a video post about it, but I find that the Senator pulls back at the last minute and will not name the criminals of the Bush Junta as what they are:

Criminal Fascists intent on destroying our rights and liberties in the name of the Corporate Slave State.

Yes, the Senator has done many good things but this needs to be put in perspective. The ‘Democrat’ Party is not getting the job of stopping the fascists done. Until it does I will be withholding my applause.

I’m after results; there are no style points on offer here.

I will clap when every fascist change to our government BushCo. has put in place has been undone.

Then and only then.