(Today we welcome Sanford Horwitt, author of “Feingold:A New Democratic Party” Please join us in the comments)
Sanford Horwitt’s new biography of one our political heroes opens with quite a scene:
“Hillary Clinton was livid. Her face turned red and her angry words were aimed directly at Russ Feingold, the junior senator from Wisconsin. You are not living in the real world,’ she told him in front of about 20 of their Democratic Senate colleagues at a closed-door strategy meeting in the Senate’s elegantly appointed LBJ Room highlighted by 19th-century frescoes.”
“The real world” Senator Clinton was espousing was the one where Senators look for loopholes to emasculate the McCain-Feingold Campaign Finance Reform.
That “real world” where DLC and Blue Dog Democrats have chosen to live is not a comfortable home for a progressive populist like Russ Feingold – and his electoral success in a primarily rural Midwestern state suggests it’s not the real world that most Americans want either.
Horwitt, who has previously written a stunning biography of Saul Alinsky, is the ideal author to bring us the Feingold story and message. A Wisconsin native himself and a former congressional speechwriter, Horwitt knows the geography of Feingold’s upbringing and career and he share that understanding with us. This is an enjoyable book, full of tales and vignettes that capture the feel of our recent political past in very human terms.
While Feingold’s politics don’t need an introduction here at Firedoglake, I’m probably not the only reader who knew little of his upbringing and early career. This book makes it very clear that Feingold is the organic heir to the energetic progressive politics of Fighting Bob La Follette. Feingold’s childhood in small town Wisconsin – a town where his family was both unusual as one of the few Jewish families – and at home as rooted and respected members of that same community – formed him in ways more significant than his Rhodes Scholarship and Harvard Law degree. Feingold is not a detached intellectual progressive, he is instead a feisty advocate of the little guy and hometown neighborly values, values of integrity, handshake deals and the small town civics that we have lost in our over-lobbied and over-polled politics of today.
While so many politicians rely on focus groups and consultants to shape their votes, Feingold instead keeps a pledge, made in his first run for the Senate, to visit each of the 72 counties in his state each year – and listen. And Horwitt makes it clear that Feingold’s votes even on such hot issues as the Patriot Act and the Iraq War are responsive to the constituents he visits and represents so ably. His landslide victory in 2004 demonstrates that this listening, populist and principled politics resonates on Main Street (much to the surprise of the DC pundits.)
Along with the hardworking, studious and focused Senator, Horwitt also introduces us to the baseball loving, golf playing Russ who comes up with creative grassroots campaign tactics and doesn’t take himself so seriously. In one interview, Horwitt mentioned that Feingold does a great George Bush impersonation (now that’s something we’d love to see on YouTube!) and another recent article recounted this classic Feingold tale from their book party:
After playing a round of golf one weekend last month, he was pulling his flag down when the driver of a passing car put his hand out the window. “I thought he was waving at me, his senator,” says Feingold, until the driver “slowly lifted his middle finger.” Call the cops? Nah.
“I thought, ‘This is America!’” says Feingold. “To do that in front of the house of a U.S. senator . . . this is America.”
In an interview with Lisa Kaiser of Milwaukee’s Shepherd Express, Horwitt summed it up best:
I hope the book will show that it’s not only about the war. It’s about a number of other issues on which Feingold has been politically ahead of where so many in the party have been, and he’s been proven to be right on the substance of those issues and politically. This book is definitely a story about how someone like Russ Feingold gets to be a senator, but it’s also an argument that the Democratic Party would be in much better shape politically—and, by implication, the country as well—if it had really practiced more of the kind of politics that Feingold has practiced, especially over the past 10 years.
Feingold: A New Democratic Party certainly lives up to that hope – and has lessons of value for all of us who hope to change American politics in the next 10 years.
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Siun!
EPU’d: (Waives to LooHoo – I’m back downunder, saw your comment on Late Night but too late)
Welcome Pete and everybody!
I’m so excited about this book – as usual for Book Salon, please stay on topic and keep it polite.
Thanks!
I told the folks downstairs
Welcome to FDL Mr Horwitt. I haven’t seen your book down here yet, but I’ll order it if it doesn’t turn up soon.
I believe Mr. Horwitt is on a book tour around Wisconsin and will be joining us from the road – let’s hope his net connection if more stable than mine has been!
Hello to Sanford Horwitt’s! Loving the topic of your book.
*heart beating fast just thinking of Russ Feingold*
I wished he would run for president. ;-)
Hello. I’m happy to be here; looking forward to your questions.
Sandy – welcome to Firedoglake!
Thanks so much for joining us and for writing this great book!
Mr Horwitt – a question/hope that shows up here at FDL a lot is whether Sen Feingold has ever considered a run for Prez, and if not why not.
sandy horwitt @ 8
We’re really glad to have you here from the road. It should be a great little give and take.
Welcome and thanks for coming. Why did Russ decide not to run for President in 2008?
I want Feingold in the Senate. The more like him there, the better off we are.
I just gotta get this book.
A relative gave me Barack Obama’s book for Xmas and, frankly, it is perfect for a restless night when other things have failed to put me to sleep.
But anyone who has the measure of Feingold is worth a morning read.
Hi, Sandy.
Is there any trend in Wisconsin toward its becoming more progressive or less progressive?
My first stupid question…
Sanford, did you spend a lot of time with Russ Feingold to write your book? If so, does he wear cologne or does he go natural?
*slapping my forehead & chuckling*
Oh and Welcome Sandy! :) I was born and raised in Wisconsin so I can relate to the progressive nature of the politics he grew up with. I was devastated when it went to the Republicans.
Sandy, the term “progressive” gets thrown around a lot these days.
When you use it in reference to Feingold, what actually do you mean? It’s a topic of ongoing discussion, in general, in our community.
Sandy – we often overwhelm our guests with questions but we’re also a patient crew so please take your time and answer whatever questions look interesting to you.
I must say the book was a great read … it was not only thought provoking, it was fun.
None of these privileged plutocrats live in the “real world” . We’re not allowed to take bribes and ignore an oath to the country, we’d be in prison. We don’t have good health care, we have to work a five day workweek,etc, etc………
The real world Shillary is talking about is nothing new, the legal bribery in our political structure that allows tyranny and kicks democracy to the curb.
Pach – one of the things I really liked about the book was how well Sandy tied Feingold’s progressivism in to the tradition of La Follette.
I hope we can talk more about that today.
petedownunder @ 10
He considered a run; he went to a number of states in 2005 and ‘06 and received very strong, positive responses. I saw a few, including a memorable one in New Hampshire. But then he surprised a lot of fans and even close friends when he announced he wasn’t running this time. He hasn’t been too precise about his reasons, but seems to not have the burning desire at the moment. I wouldn’t count him out in the future, however.
Thanks for being here today, Sanford. I think everyone here thought it was a big drag when Feingold decided not to run for the Presidency.
petedownunder @ 10
Also, is there any hope in the future that he might run? I was at a Moveon.org event in Philly last year that Feingold spoke at. There was a Q & A thing at the end. I really didn’t have a question for him as much as a statement/request. I just told him I’d hope he runs someday for President. Preferably it would have been 2008 of course. What drawbacks does he see in running for President? Is it because of his faith? Is it because he thinks people might think he is too liberal? I am sure I am not the only one even here at FDL that would drop everything else I am doing and work on his campaign were he to run.
Welcome, Mr Horwitt — I’ve ordered your book though FDL today. Have you any sense whether Senator Feingold will endorse a presidential candidate in 2008?
Jane Hamsher @ 23
Jane, you are right. I know I was bummed. I’d wager that the two most popular people in the lefty blogosphere right now are Gore and Feingold.
TeddySanFran @ 25
Teddy, didn’t he somewhat endorse Obama?
Sandy:
Did you get a sense of under what circumstances Feingold would consider a run for President? Is he in line to chair the Judiciary when Leahy retires?
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 26
That’s the ticket right there!!
I do remember Feingold making the comment to the effect that he wanted to stay in the Senate to unearth the crimes committed by the current White House and do something about it, rather than run for the presidency, which would not give him the time or energy to focus on it. I like his attitude!
Sandy, glad to see you at the Lake. I enjoyed the book. Great subject and very easy to read. We were at one of the listening sessions you mentioned in the book, I don’t remember seeing you there, but I do remember the question you mention and how Russ answered.
You say that the book isn’t an authorized biography. What do you think are the chances of having Russ allow one in the near future?
Just read a blurb on Robert LaFollette (d. 1925).
What an interesting guy for his time (late 19th, early 20th century).
Pro-union. Opposed to U.S. involvement in WW I. Favored progressive tax laws. Argued against the power over government held by the top 100 robber barons. Etc.
Jonathan @ 15
Wisconsin may be the mos competitve political state in the country. When Feingold was reelected by a near landslide in 2004, the congressional delegation was split down the middle and, of course, the last two presidential races ended in a photo finish in Wsiconsin. The big political message coming from Feingold’s successes in this state is that he wins the independent vote by a big margin. And, as we know, the independents are increasingly the key to electoral success. So the message for real progressives is that you can practice Feingold’s genuine progressive politics and win elections across the country in virtually all key states.
I’m not one to defend Shillary, but I would guess her ‘real world’ point was that the Republicans at that time had a world-beating direct mail programme to solicit small donations, that the Dems couldn’t then come close to matching. In her view, to close off the other sources was like unilateral disarmament. That’s where she comes from. The netroots have changed that equation. We now match the thugs in small donations and our base is growing.
Siun @ 19
Thanks for the kind words. The Feingold story, I think, is both timely and inspiring in this all-too-often bleak political period.
One of the striking things in Feingold’s career seems to be his gut understanding of when to run and then how to win … not by slick consultant run campaigns but by tapping into the actual concerns of his constituents. Which I bet is why independents vote for him.
We need more candidates with that good instinct and more should read this book and learn.
Maybe Sandy will tell us the tale of the Garage Door Promises …
sandy horwitt @ 33
Sandy, can you say that part again, REAL LOUD? I’m not sure DC heard you
Feingold is one of my heroes. Long may he serve. If he decides to run for president, I will support him whole-heartedly.
sandy horwitt @ 33
Living in Wisconsin, and being a candidate for office, I agree with Sandy here. The people of WI are very willing to listen to and support Progressive ideas. My election was one of the closest in this district in decades, and a surprise to the leadership in Madison. If our ideas will gather support in the northwoods of this state, they will “play in Peoria” as well.
That’s a lesson we’ve been trying to get inflitrated into the DC consultant losersphere for some time, with not much success yet.
Rahm Emanuel and others from the old 90’s Dem establishment seem inured to the concept of running as strong Democrats. Rahm, after all, got into office first by running as a machine candidate against a grassroots progressive.
I would like to see Feingold move up in the Senate leadership and takeover the committee that Joe Lieberman chairs that is not doing any oversight right now. Feingold could probably get some stuff done much like Waxman.
How does the DLC work against the philosophy of those like Sen. Feingold?
Siun @ 21
I write in the book that Feingold is the most authentic progressive voice on the national stage. When you understand how and why he is so connected to La Follette and the best of the old progressive tradition, then you can begin to understand what motives Feingold and why he is different than so many politicians.
Greetings, Mr. Horwitt.
You are not living in the real world
That’s a great anecdote about the closed-door meeting. I’ve always admired Feingold, but at the same time one wonders how a man like that gets along in that toxic chamber for so long. It’s reassuring to know that he really is very annoying to the Blue Dogs, even when the doors are closed and the deals are being done.
Gore/Feingold
**swoon**
If Mr. Feingold is such a principled man, why does he refuse to stand up for the Constitution by not considering the propriety of an impeachment investigation?
Jane Hamsher @ 23
Yes, as a citizen I am disappointed he’s not running because he would being a voice to the current debate that is distinctive and urgently needed.
sandy – i’m a big fan of senator feingold, both his politics and his connection to his constituents. i wish more senators (and representatives) would make time to visit with the people they represent – and listen to what they have to say.
do you have any suggestions on how we can successfully encourage our senators to do more of that? are there any other senators who do what senator feingold does – make 72 visits every year?
Knut Wicksell @ 34
Respectfully, it is much more than that, imo. Hillary doesn’t want to speak the truth nor share even her view of it with we the little people and one need simply look no further than the DLC page on wiki or study how she and Bill worked together in the past to understand that.
Russ speaks well and needs no high paid consultants becuse he is working from facts and always relying on that darned old constitution as his guide.
KayInMaine @ 30
Putting the good of the country before personal ambition. That’s a good man.
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 27
He’s not ready to endorse anybody. At a listening session yesterday in northern Wisconsin, he made it pretty clear that none of the current candidates has won him over.
sandy horwitt @ 51
Interesting. Is Dennis too Quixote-esque?
noonan @ 31
I don’t know about another Feingold bio. For this book, I appreciated Feingold’s willingness to sit for numerous interviews without any pre-conditions. He didn’t read a word of the book until I finished writing it. But he’s only 54-years-old, and as I mention in the book, he has many years and another good story to go.
bmaz @ 46
Thank you bmaz, for that real world question. *s*
Sandy, Did you spend any time in person or in the book around Russ while he worked with his progressive patriots organization?
Sandy’s not really in a position to speak for Feingold, but he may be more aware of Russ’s available public statements on things like impeachment. He’s been pretty open and direct, I think, in explaining why he’s been against it, though I confess I don’t understand his logic.
Censure seems like weak tea to me, and while I’m not in favor of immediate impeachment proceedings (especially in a House that just caved on FISA), it seems to me more investigations into administration wrongdoing might tell us more, and get into evidence, that which might, once collected, make a case for impeachment.
Of course, by the time that would hypothetically happen, we’d be in the last months of the administration anyway.
It’s all very dispiriting. As for me, I’m for impeaching Gonzales, like, right now.
EllyD @ 56
Thanks, but please remain on topic as a courtesy to our guest.
Off topic comments like this are welcome in the thread just below this one.
Thanks!
Sandy, how did you become interested in taking on this project?
I can see how it’s a natural for you, but is there a story there?
Eureka Springs @ 54
I was well aware of Feingold’s Progressive Patriots Fund, but that was not not the focus of the book.
Noonan – could you tell us about the listening session you attended with Feingold? I’m interested in what it looked like to you … and see those sessions as a core strength of Feingold’s progressive role.
Pachacutec @ 58
Feingold caught my attention during his 1998 relection when he risked his career by rejecting the large, unregulated soft money contributions that both parties had gotten so adept at raising. Feingold called it legalized bribery. Most Washington pundits predicted he’d lose because his opponent had a huge soft-money advantage. But he won by some 35,000 votes, and that caught my attention.
It’s interesting – and inspiring that every time the pundits are sure Feingold has ruined his chances with stands of integrity, he wins!
quite a lesson, eh?
It seems to me Feingold exists politically in an ideal state.
Milwaukee, long Democratic.
Madison.
Small towns and cities filled with good-willed, well-educated (even at just the highschool level) individuals.
A fairly homogeneous state. Fairly.
Siun @ 60
Since 1999, I’ve attended more than 50 listening sessions all over Wisconsin. Typically, Feingold meets with 40-50 people i one of the state’s 72 counties for an hour or so, and they have commebnts and questios on a broad range of topics. As a biographerr, these unscripted sessions were invaluable opportunities to get a sense of the man. He thinks that hearing what ordinary people have to say on a regular basis–he does a listening session in each county every year–keeps him informed in the best way. I think it also helps him to speak in plain, simple English, a language that eludes many veteran Senators.
Sandy’s been here with us an hour, and I want to thank him for taking the time with us and for all his work on this book.
He’s told me he’d like to hang around a bit longer, but I want to make a public thank you, because at some point on a Sunday evening, he’s going to decide to get on with family stuff.
We really appreciate your time and all your work, Sandy. This thread will remain in the featured position here at the site for another 45 minutes or so, maybe an hour.
Did you learn anything from Senator Feingold about working with Senator McCain on campaign finance reform? I don’t like the “across the aisle” rhetoric spouted by some centrists, but I’d sure like to know how that partnership developed, and how they maintained their focus while disagreeing about so much else.
This is why he would make such a great candidate for President, and I would wholeheartedly support him. But I’m really glad he’s in the Senate though.
Sandy – thank you for your time and for your book.
We need many more Feingolds!
Siun @ 62
Yes, it is quite a lession. And. among other revelations, it shows why Feingold is so underated by Washington insiders who simply don’t know that he is not merely uncommonly principled, but he’s also a gifted politician. That is one of the important themes of my book.
Teddy – there’s a good part of the book on the finance reform and what I liked was that Feingold’s approach to bipartisanship was to sell out a progressive ideal but to recognize where a Republican also agreed with the progressive ideal and turn that into action.
Siun,
left a link for you at the end of the Food/Ag thread.
Mod Note: Please remain on topic!!!
TeddySanFran @ 66
Good question. Feingold and McCain have major differences, of course, on a number of issues, but they also agree on the importance of curbing the influence of wealth on the political process. That’s a square one, top priority. Neither is afraid to buck his party’s leadership for a good cause. I think they appreciate each other’s independent streak.
sandy horwitt @ 61
Feingold first caught my attention when he voted against the “Patriot” Act. Do you have any insight as to why he was the only Senator with enough sense to vote against it?
UPDATE: I hit “Submit” and then noticed Pachacutec’s message about being out of time. Thanks for being here, Mr. Horwitt.
Pachacutec @ 55
I asked the question with all due respect, and I fully understand that Mr. Horwitt cannot and does not speak for Mr. Feingold. I simply thought that Mr. Horwitt might have and/or share his own perspective on the question as he clearly has a fantastic understanding of Feingold.
And Pachacutec, when I said impeachment investigation, I meant ANY impeachment investigation. For those that know me from around TNH, I also am in favor of an immediate impeachment investigation of Gonzales; but Senator Feingold seems curiously uninterested in even that, thus my question for Mr. Horwitt. It seems counterintuitive for Feingold.
my word – the very idea of his visiting each of the 70 counties every year and listening (not just pontificating)..now THAT brings a tear to my eye. That would be a tear of gratitude and joy for this man who actually takes his job seriously. He is someone who does, indeed make me “proud to be an American”.
More, more, more like this, please!!!
Jonathan @ 63
No, Wisconsin is not politically different than perhaps a majority of states–especially an electoral majority. I answer an earlier question regarding how politicall competive Wisconsin is. An important part of the Feingold story that I tried to tell is that his success as a true progressive can be replicated far and wide precisely because Wisconsin is so competive. Indpendent voters have characterized Wisconin politics for a long time, but much of the country is increasingly like that.
Yeah, I don’t quite get it either. Maybe Sandy knows more. Or maybe Feingold, as a senator, does not want to comment on what would essentially be a House initiative, especially if as a senator, he’d ultimately be in the position to be a juror for any impeachment conviction.
But I dunno.
Sarah Deere @ 75
I hate to be a softie, too, but you’re right.
I think Feingold should quit the Democrapic party and become an Independent. The Democrapic party does NOT represent the people, the working class, the unions, etc. They DO represent the CEOs, the Corporations, and the police state. Any alms they toss at the “little people” are incidental to lining their own pockets and furthering their own careers.
There can be no good accomplished within the treasonous Democrap party. It is just as corrupt as the GOP. EXIT the party and become a Independent Russ! Then you will suddenly see how the Democraps are all to happy to kiss you ass, and how they will prostrate themselves before you to obtain your approval and support. You cannot get what is necessary within the criminal and corrupt Democrap party (just as criminal and corrupt as the GOP), you can only get what is right by USING the Democrapic party by being an Independent.
Praedor Atrebates @ 78
Feingold still thinks the party can be pushed in a significantly more progressive direction. The netroots can–and have–made a big difference. The next couple of elections will be good tests.
Mr. Horwitt,
Feingold’s legislative efforts appear to be more connected to his constituents than most lawmakers. I take this to be a self evident (72 counties) truth that many more people want to hold the current administration accountable.
and thank you!
smallg @ 80
Yes, you’e right. His connection to ordinary people is probably greater than it is for the average House member.
And thank you!
sandy horwitt @ 75
Sandy:
I just spent a week in Superior, WI, and the people there, while conservative in the true sense, like not wanting to intrude in each other’s lives, are pretty passionate about progressive politics and the role of good government.
Everyone I met back there loves Russ.
I live in CT. Grew up in IL.
Feingold wouldn’t get elected to the Senate here.
Too many different constituencies.
Sandy Horwitt– thank you. While in OR my house rep. Darlene Hooley had meetings with her constituents I attended. It left a profound feeling of connection, gratitude and affection. That a Senator would do the same thing is impressive– wish they would all find a way to do that. thanks.
As a native Californian… Have you considered doing similar with Dianne Feinstein?
Just dreaming, but thanks again!
smallg @ 85
Hah!
That would definitely have to be an unauthorized biography, though I’m sure she wouldn’t give all that access without wanting to control the output.
Lots of military contractor ties to unravel, there.
Pach@87
That’s part of why I ask. I’m glad we think somewhat similar.
I think I understand FDL.
It’s a place where one can vent anger or frustration.
It’s a place from which one can donate to blue candidates.
It’s a place where ideas can be shared and tested.
I love this place.
Mr Horwitt, if you are still hereabouts, thanks very much for taking time from your Sunday to chat with us. I look forward to reading your book!
Jonathan @ 88
Oh yes.
You, and a couple thousand close friends! :)
Mr. Horwitt,
Thank you for your new book. I have felt for some time that the real battle is not between the Republicans and the Democrats but that it is taking place within the Democratic party. What chance do real Progressives have of winning back the party and giving voice to the majority of Americans? And if it doesn’t happen, is there a risk of the Democratic Party fracturing?
Sandy,
I grew up in Feingold country: born in Racine, raised in Madison, & graduated from Univ. of Wisconsin. Our family lived in a house near Vilas Park built by one of the Lafollette’s, so I know of the Wisconsin progressive tradition.
Progressive Punch rates Feingold near the top on just about all of its issues, except one: Feingold’s votes on Ethanol. That’s one of those issues that has surface appeal, but would make more sense if the ethanol was derived from organic biomass rather than corn. I’ve heard that forests are being destroyed so that corn can be grown for ethanol, which surely is not environmentally good news.
Is Feingold representing a widespread consensus of his constituents there, or is something else in play?
Bob in HI
What a good conversation everyone and thanks again to Mr. Horwitt for his time and his book.
If you want to order a copy, please use the link at FDL so we get a little commission on the sale – and enjoy it! I certainly did.
Eureka Springs @ 49
Then please explain to me his opposition to impeachment of….well, anybody. It was not long ago that he stated for the record that ‘Impeachment would be too trying…for the nation’.
I’ve watched the Senator question the slippery Abu Gonzo, did a video post about it, but I find that the Senator pulls back at the last minute and will not name the criminals of the Bush Junta as what they are:
Criminal Fascists intent on destroying our rights and liberties in the name of the Corporate Slave State.
Yes, the Senator has done many good things but this needs to be put in perspective. The ‘Democrat’ Party is not getting the job of stopping the fascists done. Until it does I will be withholding my applause.
I’m after results; there are no style points on offer here.
I will clap when every fascist change to our government BushCo. has put in place has been undone.
Then and only then.
I just talked to Sandy and he had been pulled away by stuff at home, but he wanted me to make sure to convey to everyone his warm appreciation for the reception he got here today, and his gratitude for all the questions.
He hopes he can find an excuse to come back again sometime!
A Citizen, Well that is whole different kettle of fish, imo. And I agree with much of what you say and your expectations. Senator Feingold had very long open discussions a dkos about his position and I must say I was disappointed but respect the Senators position at this juncture.
I would be thrilled if censure were placed on the table as a means to further investigations and impeachment.. if it wouldn’t serve that purpose or would impede that possibility.. then we must stay on Senator Russ so he wont pursue it.
All in all the man is a great public servant and listens to us while speaking honestly and openly as he can in return.
Considering the gang of senators he is surrounded by I am amazed he can keep it together as much as he does.
Eureka Springs – If you come back and see this. My guess is that you know I am an impeachment hawk. Irrespective of anyone’s position on impeachment of Bush and Cheney; it is simply beyond me how anybody can be against the remedy for Gonzales. As you are probably aware, there are certain powers and abilities that spring from an impeachment investigation that simply do not exist otherwise; and a censure process doesn’t get you there. It is not just about retribution, it is about finding out the true extent of all the malevolence that has occurred. Censure not only doesn’t get you there, it gives an out to the GOP and weak Dems to say that we have done enough. That is unacceptable in my opinion. Even from an otherwise stand up guy like Feingold.
Dammit. I am so sorry I missed this.
Here’s an interview with Sandy that I did in Second Life.
bmaz, learning as I go and thanks to folks like you that is how I understood the situation to be re censure vs impeachment..
And I reiterated that point in both the dkos Feingold post/thread and in several emails to him as well.
I agree with you all re impeachment, rabidly! We have to get to the bottom of what the he** has been happening and hold them accountable while filling up the Hague!
I am more than ready to toss out 95 percent of our senate and congresscritters.. Just not ready to give up on dear Russ yet. I know he didn’t say it and it
disappointsdepresses me to hear his thoughts on the issue at this point in time..but I think he would support hearings in a NY minute if there were anything close to a real possibility of that happening in DC now.. perhaps my hunch is misguided… but we do indeed have much larger fish to fry.P.S. I was not at all under the impression Russ was speaking against impeachment of Gonzo.. if that is true… well.
Dimitri @ 20
I think “the real world” Hillary is talking about was the 1980s when Republicans were soaking up ALL the campaign contributions and she & Bill had to find new and different ways to get money from some of the same sources Republicans had been using. This explains clearly why she won’t cease accepting bribes, er contributions from lobbyists or anybody else. She learned money was everything…just like a Republican, and she isn’t going to try to get by without it. She saw very clearly how Bill got past Jerry Brown (who only took $100 or less from individuals) during the 1992 primary and she isn’t about to play that underdog character.
She could easily repeat the line from Gone with the Wind where Scarlett swears she will never go hungry again. Of course, she doesn’t wear the same kinds of curtain dresses that Scarlet wore. I’ll bet she can cuss like Rhett though.
The lingering question with anyone like this is whether they perform for pay or not. One never knows for certain.
Personally I prefer the Brown or John Edwards approach of making it perfectly clear who you feel most beholden to and then there’s never that question to answer.
Jonathan @ 88
Don’t forget to say something foul now and then…just to fit in.
Hello;
There is no IRAQ anymore. Bush have divided it back to the pre 1920 British model. An article by seven 82nd Airborne non coms in the NYT today gives the most realistic evaluation of the American occupation of Iraq, the dissolving of their government the tribal/religious fractionalization and the emergence of a possible Shite state aligned with Iran who were defined as the “Axis of Evil” by the Bush administration. Bushco has caused the political demise of a nation, destroyed the infrastructure and caused 4 million people to be homeless, 600,000 Iraqis slaughtered not to mention the death of 3831 of our brave troops doing their duty. He has elevated nuclear tensions an armed the disarranyed factions. Worse even yet he has destabilized the whole region, caused Americas international and national reputation to be in the sewer with torture and disregard for the Geneva Convention, and wasted our national treasury creating a mountain of debt unparalleled in our history. He has politicized our Judiciary and all branches of government illegally and against the Constitution. In deregulating the economy by appointing industry corporate officials the foxes guarding the hen house, he has pushed the economy to the brink of recession (”It’s the economy stupid”). He has brought our military to the breaking point while threatening to start another war with Iran. He has let escape Osama Bin Laden the chief of Jihad terrorism against USA and the instigator of 9/11. He has reduced our liberties and spying on us by satellite and our daily telecommunication which may be available to the RNC we do not know as he has thumbed his nose at Constitutional Congressional oversight by invoking “Executive Privilege” to stonewall thc U.S. congress and has installed an Attorney General and the Justice department as a “Firewall” against ‘We the People”. We are now more at peril of terrorism than ever and he has ignited the wrath of the 1.5 billion Muslims throughout the world. In doing this he has destroyed the reputation of the “grand old party”. Republicans of Barry Golwater ilk such as Jon Dean are schocked at their neocon right-wing extremists who show no restraint in stooping to political “dirt tricks”. If this administration is not held accountable a signal will be sent to future administrations that “the rule of law” is no restraint against immoral, unethical behavior and crimes against humanity. If extremism of the East is met with extremism from the West then the future of civilization is at the brink of annihilation.
This administration has shown no willingness to stop these actions. Impeachment by the US House of Representative, whether the Senate convicts or not, is now the only way for the American public and the US Congress to get to the bottom of who did what and what were criminal activities. This is an indictment of the far right who has united church and state against the wishes of the founding fathers who understood what devisiveness that has created. If we wish to continue to be controlled by a corporate oligarchy then Impeachment is off the table. If we wish to go back to democratic principals of transparent government by the people then we must Impeach this out of control administration who has abused their power and usurped even more power toward executive dictatorship.