Nice guests you’ve got there Chris.
Mark Williams, on Thursday’s Hardball:
On the August 16 edition of MSNBC’s Hardball, radio host Mark Williams asserted that “every military advance we have made” in Iraq “has been ruined, one way or another, by some fat-mouthed congressman, usually a Democrat, opening his mouth on Capitol Hill.” Williams also asserted: “I hope what we get is the truth from General [David] Petraeus about every step forward on the ground being made by the military since we started this being ruined, and two steps backwards being taken on Capitol Hill by the Democrats playing politics on this and plucking the pennies off the eyelids of the newly dead.”
Later, presumably referring to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), Williams said, ” ‘Nancy Botox’ is out there saying, you know, “We’re leaving! We’re running! We’re gonna go away!” Matthews responded, “You know, Mark, that doesn’t help me any.”
I’m glad Media Matters is around to deconstruct the scenery-chewing political delusions that really do defy the laws of space and time. So let me do the dirty work and mention what the wonks won’t — this guy has a perfectly frozen forehead. Per. fect. ly. Watch the clip at Media Matters and look betwen his eyes and at his eyebrows. Absolutely immobile. No lift, no scrunch. Nobody of Williams’ age has that little movement without being shot to shit with Botox unless they’ve got some sort of neurological disorder. Watch him. He’s a preening, vain little trash talking popinjay and my guess is Matthews (or any other anchor) probably doesn’t want anyone delving too heavily into the subject of cosmetic enhancement on his show lest the floodgates open and everyone’s fair game.
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Jane!
Oy vey.
“He’s a preening, vain little trash talking popinjay”
That is hillarious!
I saw that show live, and I couldn’t believe Mark Williams said that. And yeah, he did look a little strange. And also as much as I hate to say it, I liked Tweety’s response.
Jane, you gotta get your laughs somewhere.
cinco!seis…sheesh ;-)*swoon*
I love it when you talk dirty.
LS @ 3
It is…I love it!
Saw the show- the guy is totally worthless- shows with guys like him are totally worthless- all they do is shout incoherently- and talk over any sane comments. Waste of time.
This guy is a great example of those who have declared that we should all be grateful that we have George W. Bush, America’s Greatest Conservative President to ‘lead’ us.
The man is a ReichWing nutcase and will not find any traction with the citizenry. That part of it which uses it’s brain for something other hate, racism and nativist eliminationist death fantasies that is.
And contrary to ReThuglican meme that is the vast majority.
Ewwwwwww.
I just watched the clip. He’s like a talking chicken frank wearing a toupee.
rwcole @ 9
Tweety himself talks over his guests, sometimes yelling.
I assume that “preening popinjay” is not often used in blogs?
His face is dead from the nose up! Maybe there’s so much botox it killed off the frontal lobes of his brain as well. Unfortunately he can still speak and idiots like Matthews give him a bullhorn.
Great shows- bring in TWO screamin nutcases and let em scream at each other spittin and hollerin and throwin their own shit at each other for three minute rounds between commercials for preparation- H.
Did anyone catch a possible deeper meaning from Tweety. I don’t know about y’all but when I heard him say “Mark, that doesn’t help me any.” What I got the impression he meant was…
“Mark, you’re not helping me discredit the Democrats as is my standard M.O. when you resort to what are obviously childish, schoolyard insults”. Almost like a warning that he wouldn’t have him back unless he came on and did his part to help craft a GOP-based narrative.
Or was I just reading too much in to things?
You’re right as usual Jane. I watched this fella with the Botox comment and earlier or later, Melanie Morgan. If those are the best talking heads Tweety can find for a balanced dialog then please take him off the air. He was great helping cultivate the Libby controversy into a real story, but since has fallen flat on his face.
The word, while a bit arcane, has seen a resurgence recently in the American lexicon thanks to people like British MP George Galloway and Fox News Channel host Bill O’Reilly who often tells his emailing viewers, “Don’t be a popinjay!” Before his testimony to the US senate on 17 May 2005, Galloway called the pro-Iraq war journalist Christopher Hitchens a “drink-soaked former Trotskyist popinjay”.[1]
The name is also utilized by blogger Jim Rose at his website Jim-Rose.com, The Libertarian Popinjay. Other references in recent popular culture include Groundskeeper Willie referring to Principal Skinner as a popinjay in an episode of The Simpsons and Niles Crane using the word on an episode of Frasier
Jane,
FDL, DailyKos and C&L don’t appear to have direct, easy links to Media Matters. Is that an ovesight?
Speaking of Botox……..
Based on the pic of fred of Hollywood a thread or two back, *he’d* best be going under the needle (or something more drastic) soonest if he plans to run for preznit. Anybody who thinks he looks healthy enough to withstand the stress of a 12-month political race has bats for brains.
Talk about fat-mouthed, take a peek at that kisser.
Nate @ 16
It’s pretty difficult to categorize Tweety. He is pretty adamant in his condemnation of the war and the Bushie’s but he also does this deferential dance that he thinks make him appear neutral.
Re: Melanie Morgan:
IMO, Naomi Wolf made her look like a fool…
hate2haggle @ 18
I dunno, having her on screeching while Naomi Wolf gave a reasoned argument was pretty good.
Nate @ 16
You are correct, imho. Matthews wasn’t pissed about the narrative, he was pissed that Williams had taken the narrative somewhere Matthews had to rein in. Much easier to have guests on who support the carefully crafted and correct narrative without coloring outside the lines, which the “botox” line was — on several levels.
Since we’re getting into an area that
I know nothing about, tell me…is botox the reason Mary Matlin’s face doesn’t move?
Personally, I just don’t get the whole botox thing.
One of my quotes on facebook is a line from a Guy Clark song (where Guy’s quoting Ramblin’ Jack Elliott): “I got these lines on my face trying to straighten out the wrinkles in my life.”
Makes perfect sense to me. I EARNED my lines and am damned proud of them.
Tweety pretty much blows with the wind. But he’s consistent about one thing: Dick Cheney. For some reason, Tweety can’t stand the man, and goes after him any chance he can.
solai @ 27
no, she’s just one of the undead
solai @ 27
Actually, in her case, it’s embalming fluid.
solai @ 27
Yes.
Another case of simple answers to simple questions.
Mary Matalin looks like the old cartoon of a face with a moving mouth superimposed on it.
Can you say “projection?”
Or the even more refined and diabolical Republican Rovian version: accusing your enemies of your own sin.
I give Tweety credit for putting Amy Goodman on the air. Repeatedly. That is a political act in and of itself.
Re Melanie Morgan;
I use to enjoy listening to that woman make an ass out of herself each time she opens her mouth, but I’ve had enough. Her appearance is pathetic and the problem with her on Hardball is that everyone watching already knows what she is. I say don’t give her a venue anywhere.
Tweety is totally transparent. He has an audience that includes both goopers and dems- everything he does is calculated to keep both halves of the audience. This means sometimes sayin things that dems love- and at other times comin on pure gooper.
That was a fun discussion last thread.
TeddySanFran @ 26
I’m glad I wasn’t the only one that caught that. It really seemed like Matthews was not upset at all by the comment in particular but rather by how it took him off mission of deconstructing the logic-based Democratic position that had just been advanced in a professional and non-juvenile way.
hate2haggle @ 36
Did Tweety cut her off? Didn’t see the show but someone somewhere said he did.
solai @ 40
I don’t think we did. She rattled on well into the commercial, though.
I think when Tweety said “That’s not helping me” he meant: “That’s not only rude- it’s stupid.”
I’ll have to wait to read the transcript Monday.
My “we” should have been a “he”. I don’t work for “hardball”hate2haggle @ 41
My “we” should have been a “he”. I do not work for hardball.
rwcole @ 42
“… and hypocritical, Mr Frozen Face.”
I must have an odd sense of humor. It took me almost a minute to stop laughing after reading the article. The references to vanity, coupled with the subject’s outrageously unprovable assertion that “every military advance we have made” has somehow been ruined by Democratic blowhards (as if they’ve been able to change anything in DC lately) is almost more sublimness than I can handle today.
For morgan and williams only their fan cheer them on. I would gues that most listeners would find them tedious to the extreme. morgan’s face is reflection of her soul.
Only his lips move. The rest of his face is immobile. It reminds me of the old Clutch Cargo cartoons.
Here’s a lovely shot of Melanie.
Ed*ard Teller @ 20
Here’s a blog that does, just below “About Me”. ;)
OK and sorry (not!) to say this, but Katie Couric has had alot of snip and stitch. That face is frozen in time, like Nancy Reagon….
I’ve been trying to find a clip of the end where Matthews starts to say something about how much he hates this war… my TiVo stopped taping before the end and none of the YouTube clips go all the way to the end either, dammit.
Anyway, WRT Williams, the amazing thing to me was how completely sane and even-handed Paul Hackett was, talking before Williams, and then Williams launched into his rant and he sounded really loony. I mean, he sounds loony all on its own, but coming after Hackett it was like being slapped.
Also agree that Naomi Wolff was great, very calm and able to keep to her own points and not get pulled off-message by Morgan, who is a harpy.
Botox is almost a requirement for anyone in the teevee biz nowadays; it took a radio person to pierce the veil and mention it. Clearly Matthews was not happy to have the subject raised at all.
rwcole @ 42
Or “you’re not helping me appear balanced, because the quality of your argument implies that anyone who believes in your position must be a drooling imbecile”.
Naomi Wolf…
Thanks, Cujo!
OT via TPM:
Obama campaign to limit his participation in future Dem debates — because the voters “are the ones who ask the toughest questions.”
Last time I saw a mouth like that it had a hook in it!
But, Richard Wolffe of Newsweek, a favorite guest of Olbermann. I’ve never seen him at Tweety’s.
Here is a Holy Crap article from Talk to Action:
Pentagon Adopts Missionary Position on Homoerotic Art
By jhutson
Ed*ard Teller @ 56
Thank you! You just doubled my hit count today :-)
rwcole @ 58
Like I said earlier, Clutch Cargo
And Michael Wolff, formerly of New York Mag, now at Vanity Fair… and media mogul wannabe.
Again from TPM:
A Reminder: The Dems Debate Tomorrow Morning
Remember to tune into ABC tomorrow morning at 10 a.m. ET for a special edition of This Week with George Stephanopoulos, in which the Democratic presidential candidates will meet for a live debate from Des Moines, Iowa.
Loo
More debates? YIKES!!
rwcole @ 65
I didn’t know about that one! Wonder of Obama will be on?
Looking at Fred Thompson, there is a face that needs some silicon pumped into it.
To the person who praised Tweety for calling him out: Look at Tweety’s eyes. HE didn’t think it up — someone was screaming off camera.
Tweety always looks off camera — very unprofessional. Someone is coaching him. How long do we have to put up with this?
As for Botox — isn’t that supposed to help your looks? What happened with Mark?
More Dem debates will help Hillary. I don’t support her, but she’s been good at them, I’ll have to admit.
Tweety’s always looking off-camera because he’s checking himself out on the monitor…
I think not enough credit has been given to Naomi Wolf for her expert handling of Melanie (my lips a bleeding) Morgan. Ms. Wolf, unlike many progressives didn’t take the bait when this saggy poor excuse for a talking point tried to change the subject and divert attention from the discussion at hand. She got back on topic and proceeded to hand Lips her untucked ass. Every person from our side who goes on shows like this should study this clip. Notice Ms. Wolf doesn’t try to out shout the opposition (a futile exercise at best) but argues from a position of strength; hey, when the facts are on your side, you don’t need to shout. If you are the toughest SOB in the room, you don’t need to tell everyone. Ever meet a man less than 5 feet tall who didn’t have “a black belt in karate?
Just saying. Also, I hope this is not considered sexist, but it must be said–Ms. Wolf is GORGEOUS. I think this must grate on Lips as well.
Giving Cheney just what he wants.
TEHRAN, Iran – Iran’s elite Revolutionary Guards said they would not bow to pressure and threatened to “punch” the United States, in their first response to Washington’s plan to list them as a terrorist organization, newspapers reported Saturday.
Cujo, I just tripled it. You’ve been busy!
RonD @ 73
Quadrupled!
FunnyD
HRC? I will vote for Sen. Clinton if the Senator is the nominee. But is Clinton really the best we can come up with? Well… it must be said… Ms. Clinton does meet the minimum standards. I suppose.
hello all…going back up to catch up with you…
I rarely look at Matthews. But there are rare occasions when he…
Naomi Wolf is good, but she let’s idiots like Morgan interrupt her. Wolf needs to keep talking, rather than stop making her point.
The entire goal of the reich wing is to NEVER let a liberal make an argument in it’s entirely. They do anything to prevent the viewers from hearing an idea that doesn’t agree with the republics talking points.
Melanie Morgan is not mature. I’m glad she represents the reich wingers of this country. She’s a perfect fit for them. I really expected her to say, “Oh yeah! Well, nana nana boo boo!”, at one point.
I’ll miss the debate. But I’ll be curious to see if GS is antagonistic towards Edwards. He was nearly snarling at him when he interviewed him a few months ago. I’m sure you’ll all do lots of live blogging to fill me in later.
I mentioned Melanie Morgan looked like she walked off or yanked a feed just before Tweety said goodbye to all three guests and he was a bit taken aback by it all with only a second to notice any of this. Her middle spot in the three way picture went snowy and then blue.. On Tweetys rerun at 6pm CST.. it was edited out with a new Tweety voice over.
woodguy @ 71
And she’s got a new book coming out! Order now to avoid disappointment!
http://www.amazon.com/gp/produ…..amp;sr=8-1
dakine01 @ 28
Some one said to me the other day that you can learn everything you’d ever want to know about the last half of the 20th century by looking at Keith Richards face.
TheOtherWA @ 78
Melanie HAD to talk over Naomi, because Naomi was speaking too much truth and reason. Truth & reason is garlic to the reich wingers, so to prevent their own deaths from happening live on television, they loudly speak over the truth speakers. See? Very Orwellian…
Didn’t know there was an oversupply of piano wire in Baghdad (Mark Williams…); learn something every day. Not right in mind or matter this guy.
Eureka Springs @ 81
That was hilarious, it happened while she was screeching at Naomi, “You’ll look great in a Burka Naomi”.
rwcole @ 37
I can’t understand why anyone watches his show in the first place except that it’s like driving past a bad car wreck.
TRex @ 11
…and “preening, vain little trash talking popinjay” – all in the same thread?
Made my day!
OK, I admit it. When the time comes, I’ll do botox. I’m (obviously) not on TV so don’t need to look perfect. But, somewhere down the road, I may try it.
AZ Matt @ 67
I think he’d require grout…
Look, the Murkin Peeple just gotta unnerschand: This is because we know the Terrists calibrate their every move in accord with their innerantly astute assessments resulting from their 24/7 detailed monitoring of every U.S. political utterance. Absent any criticism of the Bu’ush strajee, Iraq would now be a model capitalist democacy spreading freeedumb far and wide throughout the region.
I love that Matthews continues to have MMorgan on as a serious guest, and that Olbermann continues to come on right behind him and name her Worst Person in The World!
You’d think…. naaah.
Kay in Maine @84
I agree, but I still wish Wolf would keep talking and not let Morgan stop her, even temporarily.
Freddy needs a little backfilling and cutting-
Why don’t we have a Blue America thingy for Hillary? Or some other candidate?
raven @ 86
Of course, it’s the reich wingers of our country now who would love the power to force all women to wear burkas. Oh the irony of Melanie’s words!
sangemon @ 83
Cream soda on the keyboard!
Once they know that ALL americans support Clusterfuck’s war- the enemies will roll over and die- cause they’ll know that they don’t have a chance once the US military is prepared to stay in Iraq 100 years.
(that’s the gooper story line bein sold like last week’s potatoes on hardball.
KayInMaine @ 96
She needs to wear one backwards!
TheOtherWA @ 93
I think Naomi was enjoying the long rope she was giving to Melanie to hang herself with. It worked, of course. Melanie came off like a 2nd grader trying to explain to the senior in college what physics is all about. It was beautiful. :-)
RonD @ 97
The DLC is doing a job on the Democratic Party. And I for only one, have had it with the DLC.
More Right Wing Religious Whackoism from an Elected Repub:
raven @ 86
MotorMouth Morgan seems to be thoroughly steeped in the Kool Aid! It oozes out of every orifice of her being!!! ;-)
raven @ 99
Exactly!
rwcole @ 94
And finish it off with a steamroller.
judybrowni @ 34
DING!
Always always always remember this!
If the DLC is not doing a number on us, then why is Hill the front runner? Of course the DLC despises Al Gore. A sufficient reason to support Gore?
raven @ 99
A conical, lily-white, linen one…!!! ;-)
solai @ 101
Although he is known for his drugging and boozing, Keith is actually very warm, very articulate and sharp as a tack. And his face looks like the Missisippi delta.
AZ Matt @ 106
To smooth out the wrinkles…!!! ;-)
word has in smaller circles, Gore has said
he won’t enter again, that it’s too “soul sucking”
now I personally am waiting to hear it from
Gore himself….but I think he’s just plain
found a niche where he is much happier and
fulfilled –
Besides Melanie Morgan being my favorite ‘jackboot licker’ for the Bush Regime, I have to give the 2nd prise to Marsha Blackburn. Oh how that Marsha can snap her fingers and click her jackboots together when she’s on the floor of the house, while making her points that al-Qaida is living in each and every basement of American’s homes and that we should all be afraid dammit!
The cancer on the Democratic Party is the DLC and adherents to the so called “third-way’.
Support Gore
Is Gore running?
Biodun @ 30
Because Scooter boy called Pumpkinhead to complain about Tweety and his show. Matthews is an abomination, he constantly has Melanie(I am a serial gambler and drunk) Morgan on and now this imbecile. The only thing descent on that show is Shuster, I wish they would give him his own show…he was subbing for that whiny Tucker this week and did some great stuff.
Fresh Jane.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 102
DLC Commandress Hillary will spend all day Monday with Blue Dog Congresman Mike Ross and his wealthy owners (his district includes the infamous Mena airport) in an all private tour of AR insiders.. Not one minute scheduled for speaking, much less listening to any average citizen.
The Robbers baroness of choice is up to her old Blue Dog tricks.
Mark Williams is such an ass he was taken off the Rush Limbaugh station (KFBK, the one where Oxycontin man got his start) because he went too far for them even
I knew Tweety was a suckup at at the corporate teet but he’s even far past the far right fringe for putting that douchebag on
rwcole @ 115
Perhaps not. Could you enlighten as to your preference for a candidate and your reasons?
TribeScribe @ 112
Can you honestly blame Al, for not wanting to submit himself, and his family, to the RW slime machine’s machinations again? I personally would like him to toss his hat in the ring, but, I don’t begrudge him for it!!! *g*
KayInMaine @100,
Right on.
Keith Richards — think he looks bad? Hmmmm Let’s see how YOU look in your late 60s.
I will say this — when I am in my 60s, I won’t be able to still run around a stage and go on tour. (I couldn’t NOW.)
Who gives a flying F what he looks like? Best to tell your kids: If you think most 60-somethings have that much energy, think again.
Besides, didn’t you tell us drugs would ruin our lives? He doesn’t seem ruined to me.
T-H-I-N-K. Kids didn’t believe the lies they were/are told about marijuana and they won’t believe other lies either. Why do adults still try?
fyi-dr. porter is still downstairs answering questions in the order they were submitted-he’s on #123………..
Oklahoma kiddo @ 114
I just saw a wire story that Obama will not do any more candidates forums unless sponsored by DNC.
WTF?
newspaperbrat @ 125
WTF indeed. Clearly the DNC now see him as a viable challenge to Hillary and are saying that they want to control the campaign in some way. Hmmmm. I like him better than Hillary, but with Edwards sliding, I don’t know what this ultimately means.
KatyinMaine I have a question for you (or others). I was following the Susan Collins stuff on the Mainer websites today, and they have up the stuff about Kos writing the stuff on her blog, basically to incite or to show her supporters as jerks. They have the Ip # etc. But I thought I read here, that someone had traced the numbers to a Maine account (therefore not Kos). If true someone should get that onto the Mainer sites.
Ed*ard Teller @ 20
If they don’t mediamatters.org will get you there. Come on over. That thread has only 14 posts on it at this time. A Padilla thread is up past 300, mind you thats because a few conservative types over there, just do not understand the problems with the Padilla case.
Even by wingnut standards, this was a bizarre rant. It sounds like this guy thinks that Nancy Pelosi is personally running around Iraq and turning dead Iraqis into zombies that are going back to fight the troops. If Pelosi truly has the power to resurrect, I wish she’d use it on the Democratic party.
My son has this neurological problem, but it only affects one side of his forehead. It also affects his eye on that side. He sees fine out of it, but his pupil does not dilate. This neurological problem has a name but I can’t remember it.
cherry flavored @ 130
Horner syndrome?
Frank Probst @ 131
Could be, it’s something like that.
cherry flavored @ 130
Bell’s Palsy? Can be scary, but usually temporary.
Funny Diva
Tweety the porker is on a roll. this pig morgan and this asshole. sorry for the language but I am way past the point of giving a damn!
But ya know what? It is tweeys’ fault. He gives them the platform. The spitting fool always tries to play the middle when these pigs go over the line but he can’t even do that well.
These two were the final nails in my tweety the porkers viewing. I am done and i think that that is the only possible answer. Boycott the show and boycott the sponsors.
Williams was clearly fixed on using his time to dump as many wingnut radio insults into the teevee environment. That’s his job.
But it’s up to Tweety — and Tweety’s bookers — to stop fracking inviting Williams and Melanie Moron unless they want to share the blame. Because it’s not as if they don’t know what’s coming from that particular sub-species of wingnut.
(There was another fuckwit from Morgan’s wingnut-welfare org on the other day, too. What’s the fracking point?)
It was kind of a hassel not having a hyperlink in the post or an entry on the blogroll to get to Media Matters.
Oh gawd. The hyperlink was right in front of me. So sorry. My bad.
This asshole’s denial could stop a freight train. This occupation was not managed, it was privatized. That is the key reason it turned into such a horrible clusterfuck. No budget, No schedule, No oversight, No accountability. How is any of that changing?
Desperate Hyperbole, anyone?
The whole BoTox phenomenon has always amazed me. The whole idea of injecting the most powerful toxin known into yourself just to eliminate a few wrinkles seems absurd to me.
Yes, I know the stuff is safe and effective, but the whole idea of using the toxin involved in botulism as a cosmetic aid just doesn’t seem right.
billjpa @ 134
My only comment is “Why in the heck were you watching in the first place”?
I cannot stomach the man – even the short clips I see on Crooks and Liars is enough to make my gorge rise. I refuse to watch these idiots, even to rebut what they say.
Williams may be a popinjay, but he speaks to a powerful emotion, patriotism. He claims objections to the war encourage the insurgents to continue the insurgency. This although were roles reversed and the Iraqis invaded us, we would do what they are doing perhaps minus the beheadings. Enough fellow citizens buy Williams’ argument that all but two Democratic candidates pussyfoot around what they would do about the war. To say it was all wasted is too bitter a pill for many of us to swallow.
Our goal should be to relabel the war as Bush’s war, not an American war. We might begin by encouraging the Democrats in Congress not to give Bush a standing ovation when he addresses Congress which he will do in January and not to applaud anything he says. Would this act be considered as disrespectful of the office or the man? That’s the question and that’s why the Dems who so fear offending anyone will not muster the courage for even so small a protest.