I’ve been on vacation all week. My family rents a cabin in the Adirondacks every August (from these folks). It’s pretty neat; I’ve been going up there since I was a kid, and now I take my own kids up there. We swim, fish, cook out, let the kids run around and have fun, let them explore the world in their sweet, childlike, innocent way… we let them do stuff like deliberately slam their fingers into a door so they can see what happens — then we have a fun family trip to the emergency room, and when we find out nothing is actually broken, we all have a good laugh and then Daddy wonders aloud why he can’t just have a damn quiet beer in peace and Mommy hisses “maybe if you weren’t drunk all the time the kids wouldn’t always be ending up in the hospital!” and then Daddy sullenly remembers reading A Long Day’s Journey into Night and thinking “man, I wish I had a nice happy family life like that”…
Oh, I’m kidding. (The 1-year-old did do that thing with the cabin door, but he was OK, though it was alarming to see the finger swell up to twice its usual size, but nothing was broken, thank Jebus.) We had a lovely time. Indeed, by and large I was not online at all, not reading newspapers, and just blissfully unaware of any damn thing happening in the world. At night the wind would sigh through the tall Adirondack pines, and that’s the most peaceful sound in the universe — nothing compares, in my experience. Pure calm. Just you and the natural world, the healthy aroma of the woods and the lake, your loved ones close to you asleep or reading, no TV, no damn telephones, no email, no nothing. Human existence. You & nature, y’know? The way it’s supposed to be.
But of course, as many before me have lamented, the way things are supposed to be are not remotely the way things are. On the way home this afternoon we stopped at a Burger King, because the 7-Year-Old wanted one of the Simpsons toys in their kids’ meal giveaways — a worthy desire, I thought, one which trumped my usual leeriness about giving the little ones fast food. (As it turns out, he & his sister got a talking Nelson Muntz, and so for the next few hours all we heard in the car was dueling Nelson “Ha-Ha!”s. Which was pretty hellish, thank you very much.)
Anyway, outside the restaurant I saw in a newspaper machine the following headline:
Upstate NY departments, state police feel ammunition pinch
While a national pinch on ammunition supplies due to heavy military demand has become an administrative headache for upstate New York police departments _ and in some cases reduced firearms training _ officials said it so far has had little affect on how they do their jobs….
However, an order placed in early July arrived last week, said Syracuse police Sgt. Shawn Smith, who added that he is now hearing from other local police agencies there could be delays of 12 to 18 months.
“The delays have been getting worse and worse, and that’s really putting a strain on us. It used to be fairly quick. I’d get my ammunition in a month. The .45 caliber though is getting really behind, sometimes up to six months and getting worse,” Smith said. It’s also producing budgeting headaches for future fiscal years, he said.
The ammo shortages for police agencies in upstate NY are to do with this:
Troops training for and fighting the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are firing more than 1 billion bullets a year, contributing to ammunition shortages hitting police departments nationwide and preventing some officers from training with the weapons they carry on patrol.
An Associated Press review of dozens of police and sheriff’s departments found that many are struggling with delays of as long as a year for both handgun and rifle ammunition. And the shortages are resulting in prices as much as double what departments were paying just a year ago.
“There were warehouses full of it. Now, that isn’t the case,” said Al Aden, police chief in Pierre, S.D.
This is of course not the worst consequence of the Iraq disaster. But it is a reminder of just how subtle and widespread are the effects of this misbegotten enterprise. It is possible to forget about the war for a brief spell, a brief stretch of time — it is even possible to pretend it does not exist. But that’s an illusion. For Americans, the effect of the war is on the whole very much like that of blood slowly, remorselessly seeping in from under a locked door. In small ways and large, it has corrupted everything, and it will be decades before we can even begin to tot up the final bill. And Americans know this. Every newspaper in the country carries the news of a local man or woman killed in the line of duty over there, maybe daily, maybe weekly, maybe monthly… but, inevitably.
So, back to work. This abomination must be ended.
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hi, thers!
Hey Teddy!
Damn, missed the 2
g’evening thers – it is not a vacation unless a kid gets sick or hurt or both.
(a wavering ectoplasm appears by the live oak next to the bird sanctuary, wearing an icepack and groaning softly about “fdl posting addiction” and settles gingerly into place to watch the herons and swans.)
Hello, all.
Not just running outta ammo; Purple Hearts, too:
Next this administration is gonna be asking women to be making bandages outta cotton and knitting socks for our soldiers.
‘lo, Firepups!
Bob in HI
Short Rove:
The country is a wreck and learned to hate Republicans on my watch, it’s somebody else’s fault: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08…..ref=slogin
Nice post, Thers. It’s hard to believe that the US would EVER run out of bullets. What on earth will the NRA do? Think we can keep them away from the bad guys? I think not.
Suzanne @ 8
Victory Gardens? War Bonds?
TeddySanFran @ 7
You know sometimes I don’t think this could make me any sicker, and then I read this.
Suzanne @ 8
I think we should save all of our scrap metal and mail it to the WH.
Bob Schacht @ 9
yo, bob in hi!
Wow.
Who in the world would ever have thought that we could run out of bullets?
I’m with Chris Rock, sure, make the guns cheap but every bullet should cost $5000. Unless it’s like a hollow-point or something especially lethal. Those will be ten to fifteen thousand.
I’d like to see a cost breakdown of how much money it cost total for that kid to commit the massacre at Virginia Tech. All that death and destruction probable still came in under a thousand dollars.
Murder shouldn’t be that cheap in America. It costs less to murder 40 people than it does to feed a family of three for a year. What’s wrong with this picture?
Oy, I know. And my kids are unfortunately fearless — of water or even the sides of mountains.
How any human being lives past the toddler stage is an absolutely astonishing miracle…
Twain @ 11
Given the abysmal state of things over there militarily, what in hell are they shooting at? are they hitting anything?
Suzanne @ 5
So true. This summer my darling boy discovered he inherited his father’s severe allergy to poison ivy. Poor baby’s face swelled up like a prize fighter. We have been lucky so far though (knocking on wood) no ER visits yet. Though the 4 year old will likely be up on the roof any day now in his Scooby Doo underwear with a towel around his neck attempting flight.
We’ve had triple digit temps for two weeks, I’ll gladly give up any nylons I have.
TRex @ 16
well now, that’s an original approach to the problem of gun violence here, I say give it a try.
madmommy @ 19
Not as bad as the Teenager Immortality Syndrome though. Given their much wider range, that can be very troublesome to parents (yes, I’m speaking from experience and yes, they all lived. barely.)
It’s hard to believe that the US would EVER run out of bullets.
Isn’t it perfectly mad?
We’re fighting them over there so we won’t have the bullets to fight them over here.
Rove quote from the NYT piece.
“He strenuously argued with the dominant characterization of him as the Oz — or, with Vice President Dick Cheney, the co-Oz — behind the curtain of Mr. Bush’s White House and presidency, declaring, “I’m the fuckator,” who has merely helped Mr. Bush as he has sought to shape his own views.”
Yeah, gun control is not the problem. We need to work on bullet control.
TRex @ 25
What kind of lack of planning has to go into a bullet shortage?
Hey, what the hell is wrong with this. Why bash it? What is Howie’s problem? Give the ladies a break.:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/…..ket-ready/
That was very sweet to see. I used to live at the house right next to the Grand Isle Ferry on the Cumberland Head side.
Made me a little homesick
Keep up the good work
Good to see you, Thers!
As you can see, I’m like, totally having a life right now, not hanging out on the computer, and getting out more.
Sigh.
Perhaps we can convince the NRA to have all of their members donate all their ammo to their local police departments. That which the PD can’t use can be forwarded to a DOD armory for distribution.
Thers – re: slamming fingers and other toddler tricks – I remember the routine..
Mommy kisses the boo boo, wipes the tears, makes sure they’re going to survive and nothing is broken or on fire, then…
now say it with me –
“That’s why we don’t do that!”
(God I wish I had a dollar for every time I’ve said that!)
althespook @ 22
No, no I cannot hear that! Mine are 6 and almost 4 and I have the gray hair to prove it. When I was preggers I always said I wanted boys, being not so good with the girly stuff. Now hubby reminds me often to be careful what you wish for!
We’ve had triple digit temps for two weeks, I’ll gladly give up any nylons I have.
Hee hee — remembering the thing from The Onion’s Our Dumb Century — “Wartime Nylon Use Restricted to Armed Forces, J Edgar Hoover,” or something like that.
A shortage of ammo may wake up some of the low information voters… but it will get spun to be a conspiracy by the “gun control liberals”. I had dinner with a ex-work friend who has a slight tinge of red around his shirt collar. I said “I saw where ammo is getting harder to get and has doubled in price. He said that bulk ammo sales have disappeared at gun shows and he is just replacing what he uses.
marymccurnin @ 26
The same lack of planning that has gone into everything else so far?
madmommy @ 32
girls were just as bad. fortunately we were a very advanced family and all our kids knew all about sex, pregnancy, std’s and birth control by the time they were in any danger. It helped that we had Kaiser Permanente then via Laura’s IRS job. I worried more about one of my daughters slugging some fool than getting preggers.
OT but more scary details in the NYT certainly of interest to all of us hiding out at the Lake:
Concern Over Wider Spying Under New Law:
(My Bold)
Yah, shore it does. And like everything Repug, Up is Down, In is Out, and Wrong is Right.
Thers @ 17
That’s because small children’s bones are made out of rubber. I watched my kids take falls that would incapacitate most older people and then get up and want to do it again.
madmommy @ 19
I have a first cousin that at the age of five decided he was Superman, used a towel as a cape and took a header off the top of the basement steps to the concrete floor below resulting in fractured skull. Lucky for him, his father was an MD.
Activist imprisoned by corrupt local government
I’ve actually met Charlie, at DemocracyFest a couple years ago. It’s a bad situation down there in Alachua County. A lot of us wish he’d move away from there…
TRex @ 25
If only because we seem to be blowing it with idiot control….
“Getting Out” is not what it’s cracked up to be…
Hey, you may be happy to learn that I think the teen we were harboring will be going home soon. Turns out the dad was a violent alcoholic and that was the root of the dysfunction — it was easier to pretend it was Teh Gay that was the issue, and not the, um, getting punched by the drunk. But he has been dumped and the Healing seems to be starting between mom & daughter.
A good result.
althespook @ 36
All things considered I think boys are a bit easier than girls, but I guess it’s all perspective. I even hate shopping for my nieces, even the toddler sized clothes are so trampy looking to me. Why would a 3 year old need a belly shirt and hip huggers????
Steve-AR @ 34
Or spun into “Those dang Dimmicrats are hidin’ all our ammunition. Yup, stole it from right under our noses, doncha know?”
I was three years old and we had just moved to the neighborhood and I was running up the walk with my Fischer Price Little People House to show the neighbors when I tripped on their pebble walkway and skidded on my face for several inches. That was how my parents met the families next door, with me screaming blue murder and fountaining blood.
Ah, childhood. What a freaking nightmare.
Late night. I am here and not even in triple digits. Wow. And I even read the post first.
TRex @ 29
Why aren’t you cruising the Piggly Wiggly parking lot for that Mr. Pick-Up Truck?
The “ammo shortage” is another example of this country falling through the looking glass. Twenty years ago, the people who make up the 28%ers would be saying the ammo shortage was a government plot to prevent loyal Merkins from resisting the UN take-over or the Liberal/Commies declaring marshall law or what ever.
dakine01 @ 39
Yep, T’s one of those kids! He decided the other day he will not wear floaties in the pool. It’s a small above-ground, 4 ft. deep. He still cautious enough that he won’t let go of the ladder as he ducks underwater, but his daddy is a nervous wreck. Heaven forbid we have to go to the ER, they would first have to sedate dad before dealing with the kid.
It boggles the mind, the incompetence of the Bush cabal.
EvilDrPuma @ 41
It’s actually an idiot race. Make something idiot proof and sure enough, someone builds a better idiot.
Trex, you are here. A friend sent me a very funny joke sort of along the lines from last night. Do you want to see it here, or should I e-mail it to you so that you can use it as Late Night material?
TRex @ 29
Oh Ya!? Trex, it is SATURDAY night. There must some nightlife somewhere close.
Gnome de Plume @ 52
Put it up here. I won’t be back on duty until Monday night.
So do you think the NRA will start screaming to end the war as ammunition gets really, really expensive?
There’s a gay bar that’s less than a ten minute walk from my front door. I’ve only been there twice. I should take a shower, put on something cute, take a deep breath and go over there.
I’m so not good at this going out stuff. I used to just get high or buzzed, but since I don’t do that stuff anymore, I feel that whole teenage awkwardness thing again.
I found this bit of info in another article on the same subject…
See if we can change this to reflect on our favorite idiot:
A cowboy from Texas hauling his horse in a trailer to a rodeo gets pulled over by an Oklahoma State Trooper for speeding. The trooper started to lecture the cowboy about his speeding, and in general began to throw his weight around to try to make the cowboy feel uncomfortable.
Finally, the trooper got around to writing out the ticket As he was doing that, he kept swatting at some flies that were persistently buzzing around his head.
The cowboy says, “Y’all havin’ a problem with them circle flies ?”
The trooper stopped writing the ticket and said, “Well yeah, if that’s what they’re called. But I’ve never heard of circle flies.”
“Well, sir,” the cowboy replies, “circle flies hang around ranches. They’re called circle flies because they’re almost always found circling around the back end of a horse.”
The trooper says, “Oh,” and goes back to writing the ticket. But, a moment later he stops and asks, “Are you callin’ me a horse’s ass?”
“No, sir,” the cowboy replies, “I have too much respect for law enforcement to call y’all a horse’s ass.”
“That’s a good thing,” the trooper says and goes back to writing the ticket.
After a long pause, the cowboy, in his best Texas drawl says, “Hard to fool them flies though.
TRex @ 56
Double dog dare, TRex.
Eureka Springs @ 57
The neo-cons will probably call it “crime control.”
AZ Matt @ 55
Wouldn’t that be ironic?
AZ Matt @ 55
The NRA is an arm of the Republican party machine. The “gun thing” is now just a hook to pump the Republican fascist agenda into the low information lizard brains. It’s especially true in the West where the NRA supports logging interest and gas exploration instead of the rights of public access and “hunting rights.”
Hey, what’s the worst that can happen? You end up in bed with a hottie & wake up to a breakfast where he explains why Pat Buchannan is making sense?
… don’t answer that.
Alright. I’m going out.
TRex @ 64
Good!! Have Fun!!!
In WWII there were sugar rations. Bullet rations sounds good. You get three bullets per month for the entire family. As a patriotic duty we urge that you donate these to the military and help the cause against terrorism.
Speaking of sugar, I just had a slice of lemon coconut cake with fresh strawberries. It was soooo good. I had a salad for dinner so all is equal. Not all calories hang out in lemon coconut cake.
TRex
I think you will find your romantic interest on-line – so hanging out at the computer is not such a bad thing. One of your best attributes is your smart, witty, intelligent writing. With words, you are practically a chippendales dancer and headed for the same audience reaction.
Steve-AR @ 62
soh!
if(?) martial law is declared
and a private army is contracted to keepthapeace/enforce martial law
all the gun ownership in the world is not going to do a bit of good if there are no bullets to fight back with
or is my nasty suspicious mind in overdrive?
TRex @ 64
Woohoo.
I guess I’ve gone over the edge, but my first thought was that all the ammo has gone to Blackwater etc., and they don’t want regular Americans buying ammo. Not even the NRA types.
Teh Kitteh also insists that TRex go out. Otherwise, there will be face licks. At 3am.
Don’t forget your condoms, son.
Loo Hoo. @ 70
With Blackwater et al, the Big Righties won’t have any further use of the NRA. They are small fish.
Loo Hoo – aren’t you going out this evening? Looks like a nice evening out.
albert fall @ 10
I particularly liked this part:
Playing 2nd fiddle to doG.
So much of what Bush has done seems like incompetence to most, but somehow benefits him or his cronies, making me realize that I just didn’t understand the goal. For example, the war. Sure, 35,000 of our kids have been killed or injured, but look at all those rich people getting richer. Or Katrina. Is Louisiana not about to turn repub? So, maybe the Bush cabal isn’t judging things by the same standard as you or I.
But, running out of bullets? The United States of America, the most mighty military the world has ever known is running out of ammo? There’s no other way to look at this. He has fired anyone who is competent, replaced them with inexperienced cronies who don’t even try to do their job and changed everyone’s job description to getting repubs re-elected. Do these people not understand that they’re supposed to be governing.
I mean, really, wtf…this is embarrassing.
may @ 68
There are more than enough bullets already stored up in the houses of those who’ll make a difference if that dark day comes. and we share with friends, particularly during fire fights. Also, such a confrontation won’t be won by bullets but by other means which I won’t describe here. But I don’t see it as likely. Also, remember lots of national guard ammunition depots which are not being raided yet. If they suddenly are, red flags go up all along the chain of awareness and alerts will be issued.
I view this as essentially a way for the ammo makers to gouge one last huge hunk of dough out of the feds before the fiscal sherrif (dem oversight/prez) shuts them down.
Loo Hoo. @ 72
LOL!!
Oh crap. We’re running out of bullets? How are the NRA and it’s members going to defend the Constitution?
QG, I already am home! Dinner party at the neighbors. Wild, aren’t I? Once upon a time.
Gunga Djinn @ 78
Darth Cheney already used that for target practice with his shotgun. He ran out of hunting buddies to shoot.
TRex, does anyone recognize you and know who you are? Doesn’t that help ‘break the ice?
As long as we’re talking about the many ways our country is being hurt by this stupid occupation,
AP
But Rove thinks it’s all ok, and that Bush is really popular with military families because he’s a strong commander in chief and he give the military what they want.
Can you believe the bullshit that spews from that guy? Thanks for giving him a platform, Limpballs.
Loo Hoo. @ 79
I thought maybe I could live vicariously:))
Loo Hoo. @ 79
It has come to the point that the Lake and other sites are my big night out. 2 little kids and a hubby who goes to bed early due to work scheules will do that. At least the conversation is always lively, and no one looks at me funny cause I’m in my jammies.
TRex @ 56
I used to live on the same block as a gay club. I only went there about twice a year.
Hubby just called and is picking up the teen on his way home.
I’m gonna go get a shower and have a glass of wine, now that I know I don’t have to drive.
Y’all have a good evening!
Loo Hoo. @ 72
To avoid a Silver Bullet and/or a rodding…!!! *g*
madmommy @ 84
some of us are in less than that…
Gunga Djinn @ 78
Aw, hell, the NRA lost track of all but one passage in the Constitution years ago.
KestrelBrighteyes @ 86
Night KB.
I was at a party earlier tonight. I ain’t a night owl anymore. Getting middle aged will do that to you.
Over a billion bullets fired per year means one good thing.. US soldiers are a lousy shot. [There, I said it.]
Loo Hoo. @ 70
That is the odd thing about the White is black thing with the Republicans. The NRA members should be bat shit crazy about wiretaps and data gathering. The first thing that was done post Katrina was to confiscate firearms. the NRA has raised a little stink but since “Black folks” were mostly affected, it created a paradox in a lizard brain. I guarantee that if martial law was declared, the first people to hear a 2 AM knock on the door will be NRA members.
TheOtherWA @ 91
what, you’re over 80?
All these interviews that Rove is giving makes me think that he didn’t resign due to pending indictment. I was so hoping.
althespook @ 88
Thanks for the mental picture : )
althespook @ 94
Ha, ha! Not yet!
TheOtherWA @ 91
I’m with ya on that, although I’m still a bit of a night owl…
Evenin’/mornin’ all
madmommy @ 96
I’m wearing very tasteful shorts with no top. So there.
Elliott @ 21
let gun owners and gun buyers have their firearms without having to register:
Make them register every bullet.
Can we get a serial number on each one?
LoudounLib @ 98
Welcome, loudonlib!
AK, my favorite spook ;-)
Goog night KestreBrightEyes.
Now when it comes time for congress to listen to Petreas, will they ask him about the lack of bullets and how he intends to conduct a war without them? Will they ask about the suicides?
How soon before whomever broke the lack of bullet story will be called a traitor?
Maybe we could import ammunition from China, wouldn’t be that expensive.
Just like charging $1 million to ship two 19 cent washers.
Eureka Springs @ 92
Hey, I usually qualified Expert with my weapon!!! :P
althespook @ 99
Thanks for the clarification
Way OT but as I have a new operation coming up this caught my eye. http://www.rawstory.com/showar…..415D18.DTL
Eureka Springs @ 92
That’s really the wrong view. The vast majority of rounds fired is for suppressive fire. In other words, making them keep their heads down so they have a hard time shooting at you.
Titanyum @ 104
At least then the lead issue wouldn’t be a problem.
Hi LL!
Steve-AR @ 62
the NRA is an astro-turf front for the gun and munitions manufacturers: all the ideology talk is to keep the membership in line, to use them for selling more ammo and guns.
LoudounLib @ 102
That reminds me:
For those who followed my awful attempt to explain monetary theory last light (which cinnamonape rightly challenged), here are some far better resources, all from wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J…..ice_bubble
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S…..oan_crisis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_supply#USA
hi Loo Hoo :-)
You give me some good laughs. Time to walk my lil’ Molly, take a shower and head for bed with a good book. I’m in such a good mood after so much fine evening imagery. Nite all and sweet dreams.
QuakerGirl @ 116
Night qg. dream of cinnamon apples…
Loo Hoo. @ 70
You’ve dragged me to the edge with you. How many times has someone said that the military and the police would stand up to bush if he did something really hinky and used Blackwater. Well, not without bullets, they won’t.
No, can’t be. Too farfetched….isn’t it?
madmommy @ 111
***
Gives a whole new meaning to “lead poisoning,” don’t it?
That is a LOT of lead going unreclaimed into the environment. How much lead content is there in a billion bullets?
what fraction odf that is goin into the soil of the Fertile Crescent?
My favorite shortage story this week was that due to a shortage of purple hearts, there is a 90-day wait for them. “Who could have anticipated a shortage of purple hearts?” Perhaps the same people who shorted our troops on armor might have, ya think?
yellowdog jim @ 120
How about the DU ammo expended over there…?!!!
CD @ 119
The lead recalls are making me nutsy. Stealth visits to the toy box to remove offending items totally sucks. The price of those Thomas the Tank Engine toys didn’t go down when production went to China, but I am guessing someone’s wallet got a bit fatter.
argosfalcon @ 109
I’ve never quite understood this business of leaving medical instruments inside a patient. What the hell does the doctor think? Gee, where should I put this scalpel? Oh, wtf, I’ll just set it inside this handy incision…and the nurses are unable to count instruments before they hand the doctor the stapler? Can’t they make up some tray liners with the instruments drawn on them and then check to see that everybody is in its place?
OT again, but a NYT Editorial page read well worth every Firepuppy’s time from some returning members of the 82nd Airborne:
The War as We Saw It
CTuttle @ 122
excellent point, CT.
DU = depleted uranium.
how toxic can we get?
how much of That do we think we’ve “deployed” in Iraq?
FYI:Bill Maher on CNN
Wow. Here, and at atrios too. Awesome pinchhitting blogger power.
Loo Hoo. @ 124
The nurses are supposed to account for not only all the instruments, but sponges, gauze and other items. I too have often wondered how one forgets a scalpel.
solai @ 95
I think it was a softball interview. ‘Some critics say this, some say that, etc.,’ type of thing. How about, ‘Karl, US Attorneys, Hatch Act Allegations, voter fraud, …?’ ‘Sorry can’t comment on any of those issues: under investigation, you know. But nothing to see there. Move along.’ How ’bout Barry Bonds, then?
Since we are out of bullets.. I guess it makes more sense for Senator Mark Lieberlovin’Pryor to be doing this on vacation..
Note: Pine Bluff Arsenal is (or used to be) the only known chemecal weapons manufacturing plant in the US…
Isn’t use of white phosphorus a war crime? Or is that null and void after the first few billion bullets are fired?
Good evening dear friends.
TexBetsy @ 132
hey, texB!
You must watch this great video..Zeppelin forecasting Katrina..or whatever…fabulous:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLvMfxRFvGo
solai @ 118
Won’t work. The real nutjobs…er…patriots make their own bullets. [but they also hunker down in bunkers when things get hot.] Hell, anything could happen, I guess. They could have plenty of bullets and never shoot a single one of them. Sorta like on 911.
solai @ 127
Great lines from Bill-refered to Liberty University as the “Pat Robertson clown college”
TexBetsy @ 132
HI!
OMG! A local news station actually reported… news!
KOMO story about suicides in the military.
Who’d a thunk it?
madmommy @ 136
At least he didn’t mention camel toes…
LS @ 134
were you quoted in the newspaper yesterday or the day before?
And BTW, We are out of Purple Hearts.
(Where is GSD when I need him?)
althespook @ 139
ICK!
I had a dessert this evening that I had never heard of before. Delightful! Thought I’d share it with all of you.
Pistachio pudding
yellowdog jim @ 140
Not that I am aware of.
TexBetsy @ 143
looks yummy! are there pistachio nuts in it?
Mad Dogs @ 125
Wow, I hope those troops are prepared for their swiftboating. It will be brutal and, well, swift, I imagine.
LS @ 144
you’d have known:
some other LS.
just made me curious.
althespook @ 15
Hey, spookster, what’s shakin’?
Bob in HI
LS @ 134
Nearly 2 years later and it is still hard to see those shots. We evac’d but hubby had to stay, I sat in my mother’s kitchen and cried for 2 days watching the coverage, knowing that so many dear friends had lost everything and had no way to know if they were dead or alive.
I remember reading about 20 years ago in Time magazine that if there were an emergency situation and people got down to the barter system, the two most valuable items to have would be ammunition and penicillin. It was a discussion on earthquakes and such, but imagine a complete economic breakdown.
Is penicillin in short supply too?
yellowdog jim @ 147
Interesting.
althespook @ 145
INGREDIENTS
* 1 (1 ounce) package instant sugar-free pistachio pudding mix
* 1 (8 ounce) container plain low-fat yogurt
* 1 (8 ounce) container vanilla low-fat yogurt
* 1 (8 ounce) can unsweetened crushed pineapple, undrained
* 1 cup frozen whipped topping, thawed
DIRECTIONS
1. In a large bowl, combine pistachio pudding mix, plain yogurt, vanilla yogurt and crushed pineapple. Mix until smooth. Fold in whipped topping. Cover, and refrigerate until chilled.
yellowdog jim @ 126
All of the Bradleys has at a few rounds each for their 25mm guns, 155mm rounds for Arty, etc…
madmommy @ 149
i feel for your sufferings.
Bob Schacht @ 148
Not much. I’m coming to the conclusion that rove jumped ship on orders from feilding or baker, my friend’s tip not withstanding. The reason would have been to isolate cheney and his people and mimize the damage they could do if they started trying to do a plea deal with fitz. it’s all speculation at this point, tho.
yellowdog jim @ 154
Thanks, we did not suffer major damage as so many others did. Nevertheless, it was nearly a year of my life pissed away fighting with insurance and contractors.
Oh, madmommy. I’m so sorry for you. That must have been excruciating. It was horrible for those of us with no connection to New Orleans…
TexBetsy @ 152
recipe now in puter. thankx!
madmommy @ 149
What an ordeal! Did all your friends and family survive?
Eureka Springs @ 131
The Pine Bluff facility is the second largest storage depot of chemical weapons in the US. Mostly aging nerve gas bombs, rockets and other bad stuff. Right up the road is the NCTR which was originally constructed as a bio-weapons plant. It never went into use because the bio-weapons treaty was signed before it went into production. Poor states got the bad “pork” in that era. IIRC all of the agent orange used in Vietnam was made in Arkansas.
yellowdog jim @ 120
A billion .45 caliber bullets weighs just about 45 Million pounds.
Loo Hoo. @ 157
Yeah, sucky for true. The governor has already asked for a state of emergency on the off chance that Dean takes a northerly tack. We are dependent on the COE, who say the levees and gates and pumps will work. They’ve never lied to us before, right?
Mad Dogs @ 125
They make me proud. I spent most of my service in the 82nd. This in particular gives me great hope for the soul of our servicemen
The NCO corps, still living up to proud traditions.
madmommy @ 156
you suffered to see your friends and neighbors in devastation, too.
the close up vicarious suffering can be very hard.
madmommy @ 43
Try explaining to a 15 yr old why she DOESN’T!
TexBetsy @ 159
Yeah, it was hairy for a while till I tracked everybody down. I had quit working a few months before to stay home with the kiddos. The medical office I worked in had a staff of 12, 10 of them lost everything, houses flooded to the roofline or worse.
We can trust ‘em, madmommy. Never felt more secure than since Bushco has been in charge…
Loo Hoo. @ 167
What are YOU smokin’ this evening Loo Hoo?
Gunga Djinn @ 161
When I read that article today I started trying to picture how much space a billion bullets in a warehouse would take. Finely quit, boogles the mind.
TexBetsy @ 165
That is my exact reasoning for why boys are easier than girls, at least when it comes to clothes! Right now my little guy is loving the fact he can take his clothes off by himself. He changes clothes more than Paris Hilton. The discards are left scattered throughout the house, because all the males in my house are seriously allergic to the dirty clothes hamper.
TexBetsy @ 168
Beat me to it!
TexB, finally got your cable back from my daughter who had used the suitcase with it in the pocket. It’ll be in the mail Monday. Sorry for the delay.
FYI:
AP – The Navy has removed a video from YouTube shot aboard the aircraft carrier Ronald Reagan because it shows sailors using safety equipment inappropriately, a Navy spokesman said.
Helpless Dancer @ 163
The NCO corps, still living up to proud traditions.
The Backbone of the Army…!!! 8-)
TeddySanFran @ 146
Ooooh Rah! Melanie Morgan’s going to have one mother of an apoplectic fit, ain’t she?
FunnyDiva
madmommy @ 170
My son is also allergic to the hamper.
Thanks Loo Hoo, but we’re currently having difficulty getting mail. The mailman keeps putting “vacant” signs inside our mailbox and stops delivering. In reality, he is dyslexic and a different apt is vacant. Hope to get it all straightened out at the post office.
TexBetsy @ 177
A dyslexic postman is like a blind surgeon. NOT a good combination. Yeeps!
TexBetsy @ 177
can you get a po box?
althespook @ 178
707
TexBetsy @ 176
What you WIMMIN don’t understand is that hampers are evil monsters which, if we get too close, try to consume our manly bits, cause they’re dangling right out there and the dayam things know it. Better safe than sorry, we say.
TexBetsy @ 176
Must be a Y chromosome thing.
Loo Hoo. @ 150
don’t know about penicillin but dia- m*rphine is.(heavy duty pain killer derived from op*um)
used in every hospital
afghanistan is growing heaps of op*um as cash crop for illegal dr*g trade.
why the growers aren’t being offered world spot price for it is beyond me.
that would kill four birds with one stone
a)supply needed materials and alleviate the shortage
b)deprive hard dr*g trade of supply
c)deprive black arms trade of cash
d)give hard pressed locals a source of legal income
OT — a question for fellow Facebookers: is anyone else out there having trouble viewing friends’ profiles over the past few days? What I’m getting on some profiles is very strange — only a bit of the wall, and it’s all lined up on the left. Other friends’ profiles I can see with no problem. I’ve contacted FB about it, and actually got a reply asking me some questions, and they’re looking into it.
solai @ 95
I still tend to think another shoe is going to drop. He’s spinning like crazy. If this were a real to-spend-time-with-my-family resignation, the first thing he’d be thinking about is, well, his family. If you’re thinking about your family, you ensure their financial future. That means getting a book deal. And every interview he gives cuts the value of his book deal.
I think he’s spinning the media to ensure more favorable coverage when the shoe finally drops. It reminds me of that ridiculous mine owner.
Loo Hoo @ 124,
That is SUCH a good idea, copyright it here and now and apply for a patent. It would make resupplying the various trays incredibly easier, as well as helping to decrease the junk left in patients.
althespook @ 181
Okay….that’s at least as good as the numerous excuses I get.
I hope her head explodes. Or she starts gambling again.
madmommy @ 182
Sooner or later they will have to dig their way out. Shovels or scoops will ultimately help.
LoudounLib @ 184
Had that with Int Explorer but firefox has been fine.
TexBetsy @ 190
Thanks, hadn’t thought to try viewing via Firefox — will do so later.
may @ 183
Let me guess. Some big pharma makes it synthetically and makes a lot of money at it?
All kids are allergic to the hamper.
LS @ 189
They know I will cave because I cannot take the mess. I’m not a major clean freak, but I’d like to walk across a room without kicking through piles of clothing.
Ryan Davis’ “Gays for Rudy” ad — that Pach and TRex debated hereabouts — made it into the WaPo tomorrow:
Hi Everybody! We happen to have gorgeous weather here tonight and I just got back from a nice walk.
madmommy @ 187
It always worked for me…NOT!
Actually I cheated in that area. We had a nice fully fitted out basement and I figured out how to set up a laundry chute in every clothes closet, basically a round hole with the circular air conditioning duct sticking up through it a foot or so. used the angled stuff so it all slid down into five big hampers which were then sorted on the laundry table and run through the w/d mill. Even after the novelty wore off, the kids tended to toss their dirties down the “rabbit hole” more often than not.
The cats loved it, kitty slip n slide, until I put lids on the dayam things.
TJ @ 196
welcome, TJ!
TSF — oh good grief! When will they join the 21st century?
althespook @ 198
No headache tonight?
LoudounLib @ 191
Update — just tried it via FF with the same strange results. Hmmmm…
TJ @ 196
Hey, TJ
Glad you’re feeling better tonight.
Where’s “here”, btw?
FunnyDiva
It’s nice here, Seattle-ish, too.
althespook @ 197
Funny! I can see cats loving that kind of fun. Sadly,no basements here. They would become indoor swimming pools.
Twain @ 200
Doing much better thanks. Of course, took some preventative ibuprofen just to be sure.
Here is Hershey, PA
hi TJ, it’s gorgeous around here too (currently 59F, 35 miles west of DC)
TheOtherWA @ 192
no
it’s all derived from op*um
dowm in tasmania there’s a whole district growing it.
probably the same in other countries
there is a world shortage of supply
LoudounLib @ 201
sounds like a css problem (cascading style sheets, responsible for the presentation of most content on the web 2.0 sites like fb). Maybe you can try clearing your cache (from firefox, tools menu, then options menu, then privacy tab, and the clear now button.) can cure many strange ills in browserville.
My facebook pages are fine – using firefox
LoudounLib @ 206
I am jealous, it’s 80F here at midnight, humidity almost as high. It was hotter tahn the hammered down hinges of hell today, and I was foolish enough to attempt yard work.
thanks AK and Suz — it’s just really strange that some profiles appear screwy and others don’t (and yes, I need to get a life! ;-) )
Suzanne @ 209
same here, just checked.
It’s looking great in Minneapolis for the next 10 days.. I think low 80s for the highs. It’s about time! It’s Minnesota, for garsh sakes :-)
LoudounLib @ 211
you HAVE a life..with us!
madmommy @ 210
ugh, that is so uncomfortable late at night — I feel for ya! We were in the soup for a while here as well. Really looking forward to fall.
My husband commented that it felt like we were in California tonight. 65, when it’s been in the 80s at night earlier in the week.
althespook @ 214
that’s right! ;-)
madmommy @ 210
we’re building arks here in san antonio and hoping that dean goes elsewhere….but NOT nola!
LoudounLib @ 215
As am I, fortunately fall lasts longer than spring here, which only lasts about a day and a half.
Twain @ 169
A billion .45 caliber bullets would fill a regulation NFL football field with lead to a depth of about 16 inches.
Greetings from Fargo. Nice cool night here.
I just got back from that new Bourne movie. It was completely unwatchable. Damn edgy panning from scene to scene.
althespook @ 218
Ya’ll have had about as much water as you can take lately.
OT with a political post:
The freeway blogger got his ticket downsized!
http://freewayblogger.blogspot…..tment.html
gotta admire his devotion….
Dare I mention that it is currently 62.3 degrees outside the little cottage by the creek in the redwoods. Town got up to 83 today – we were a wee bit cooler.
I suppose I also should not mention that my sleeping temps have been high 50’s and low 40’s almost every night this week.
Nope, not gonna say a word about my weather.
Gunga Djinn @ 220
WOW!
Gunga Djinn @ 220
Thank you. Now I can picture it – I always try to “see” things when I can’t imagine them.
madmommy @ 222
Mother Nature has messed with Texas far too much this summer.
althespook @ 218
I hear that Texas already has a state of emergency declared. Head to higher ground.
Hi, fans of FDL!
Margot @ 186
Are you a doctor? Hasn’t this been done? Reminds me of my other brilliant ideas that I never patented and should have, using sticky note glue for shelf-paper and velcro for tennies.
wini @ 213
Good. We’ll be on Lake Minnetonka on Friday.
madmommy @ 222
was an inch below the sill on our patio door when the rain stopped. And nary a sandbag to be had…:(:(
BigMitch @ 229
Hey BigMitch!
Watch out, Suzanne, or you’ll be hosting a slumber party.
hey Mitch!
It’s off to bed for me, goodnight all!
Gunga Djinn @ 220
With or without the sidelines, etc?
FunnyD
ReneND @ 231
Friday: partly cloudy, 75 degrees
have fun!!
TJ @ 228
This it texas. there isn’t any. bush took it all with him to dc, the rat b*st*rd…
Night, madmommy. Sleep well.
g’night madmommy, try and stay cool!
madmommy @ 237
night madmommy! I shall post fully clothed from now on!
Greetings to Mitch and wishes for sweet dreams to Madmommy.
Suzanne, sounds lovely. Here it was hot and humid. Pre-hurricane weather.
Nat’l guard sgt. nephew still in Harlingen. They’ve got trucks from all over Texas and supplies for evacuations, rescues, etc.
Hi, Big Mitch.
FunnyD
Mitch, what did thuh Yankees do today/tonight? I was all wrapped up in pre-season football, not paying much attention to baseball.
TexBetsy @ 244
An oddity of my home in san antonio is that the distant thunder sounds like battlefield artillery or anti-aircraft shell explosions. Not BOOM but CRUMP CRUMP CRUMP with window rattling force. You go outside and there are dark clouds to the south usually and they flash intermittently and then the CRUMP sounds. Thunder wasn’t like that in Lakewood.
Had a lot of CRUMPS this evening…
I had a somewhat failed back to nature experience today, like the one Ther began by describing. My son has moved in to live with me which is a great joy. He’s 25 and has become what Jews call “Shomrei Shabbat.” If you don’t know what that means:
(1) You didn’t get the funniest joke in the history of movies, when Dan Goodman used the expession in the Great Lubowski.
(2) Literally it means Sabbath Observant or Keeper of the Sabbath. In practice it refers to someone who does not perform any work, or use electricity or automobiles, or fire on the Sabbath — and a host of other prohibitions.
He wanted to attend synagogue today, so we walked the 8 miles to, and the 8 miles fro. It had a back to nature component, somewhat ruined by all the automobiles on the roads.
TJ @ 243
I’ll second that one.
Teh Kitteh is back from TRex’s nightclub. Not looking too good I’m afraid, had one too many catnip highballs I suspect…
althespook @ 250
Teh kitteh after a night on the tiles — too funny ;-)
althespook @ 223
I admire this so much. I admire you, too, AK. Hope your plans in case of an “emergency” are in good and reliable hands . We need you!
LoudounLib @ 251
blame the cute overload rss feed. just cannot resist…
Hi Mitch. My son walks also, but I ride. We use electricity but are otherwise shomer shabbat.
THUUUH Yankes win!! Clemens becomes the 10th pitcher in Yankee history to notch 1000 strike outs. In a rare double play that can only be hatched in Spring Training, Clemens started of the stike ‘em out, throw ‘em out twofer. Posada came up throwing, and Clemens cut off the throw before the runner could get back to first. The worked on it in Spring Training three years ago, but Clemens post game comment was “Spring training is over-rated.”
Yankees, five games out as Boston also won.
Loo Hoo. @ 252
If you mean a weather emergency, yes I have plans in place. If you mean chimpy and company getting cute with the civil liberties of myself and others, I can only say that I have made totally legal arrangements to blow the entire bunch of them right to their own personal hells. Nuff said.
BigMitch @ 255
And the Nats lost to the Mets, retaining their last place berth. Order is restored in the world.
Californian views on shrub and the war
http://origin.mercurynews.com/ci_6626942
Hey Arnie, how about doing some high profile ralleys in San Fran with Mr 26 percenter? He could sure use your support on the war. And the more you’re seen with him… :P
TJ @ 243
Ditto
Blub, If we were to withdraw from Iraq, don’t you know what would happen?
Iraq would be over-run by Iraqis.
BigMitch @ 260
We have met the enemy and are waiting for him to stand up, establish a functional democratic government, pass the oil law, and stop killing our soldiers and his own people. Oh and pelt us with flowers and candy (minus the C4 and cyanide, if you don’t mind).
….crickets….
Funnydiva2002 @ 237
Field of play, without end zones. Just the lead slugs, not brass cartridges.
Put another way, if you filled boxes with a billion .45 caliber lead slugs, and the boxes were 36 inches by 36 inches square, the boxes stacked vertically one on top of another would form a tower 1.3 miles high (almost 7000 ft.).
If you mean chimpy and company getting cute with the civil liberties of myself and others, I can only say that I have made totally legal arrangements to blow the entire bunch of them right to their own personal hells. Nuff said.
I feel better! Not good enough, but much better!
Tex — that is how I grew up, too. But in AK, I belonged to a Reform Congregation. So now, I am getting back into it.
Problem being it is 9:27 here, and I need to tend to my ‘puter jones, and a TV News fix. Sundown in about a half hour, I reckon.
Gunga Djinn @ 262
How long would that be if they were horizontal?
BigMitch @ 264
We use electricity, computers included. Don’t do job-related stuff or cook or use money. Works for us.
TexBetsy @ 266
Sure, when Shabbat ends at a reasonable hour. In the Winter it will start at 3:00 pm
BigMitch @ 260
…but nor our Iraqis… you know, the ones in those spiffy blue-gray Halliburton uniforms and that really scared look in their eyes all the time…
Here’s a Rove article you may want to read before the talking head shows tomorrow.
Okay everyone, put down your tools and read this blog. RIGHT NOW. Trust me on this. And have a kleenex or something handy.
Like a kick in the gut, out of the mouths of babes…
http://frecklescassie.wordpress.com/
All these Rove Sunday articles – was Sunday pronounced karl rove appreciation day? I musta missed that memo?
Loo Hoo. @ 269
Interesting, and on page A1 no less. Hope it’s at least above the fold.
BigMitch @ 267
In fact, there is some Alaskan lore on the subject of how to deal with Sabbath which begins and ends at weird times. As the story goes, when the Reform Congregation started, they were not sure which movement to associate with. They wrote off for responsa (legal opinions) to each of the governing bodies of Reform, Conservative and Orthodox. Only the Reform answered, and so the Congregation became a Reform Temple.
Loo Hoo. @ 269
yeah, nice piece, I thought (for wapo). Every Federal agency needs its own legion of commisars
Here’s a Rove article you may want to read before the talking head shows tomorrow.althespook @ 270
Loo Hoo. @ 263
This ain’t snark. I am not kidding, but I can’t give operational details. That loser and his friends have been put on notice; they abrogate the constitution completely and they’re history. And it will be fully legal, the legal beagles have worked out all the angles ahead of time. Stupid fools, trying the create the apocalypse on their own. Shoulda read about the guy who “steadied the ark of the covenant”.
althespook @ 270
I see a Pulitzer in that child’s future.
Don’t forget the dem debate tomorrow on Stephanopolis tomorrow at 10:00 eastern too.
Gunga Djinn @ 161
that would be with the shells and powder?
wonder how much would be the lead: 25 million pounds of lead?
Loo Hoo. @ 278
AM? All over the country?
LoudounLib @ 277
No poop, sherlock. And TexB is no slouch either.
Thanks, AK! So much.
BigMitch @ 265
You’ll have to figure that one out yourself. [let me know if you need help.]
althespook @ 281
Cassie and TexB are two of my favorite bloggers :-)
althespook @ 218
here in Austin, weather folk said if Dean land falls at Houston or to its east, no big deal;
if it hits at Corpus: look out.
LoudounLib @ 284
I am not a blogger. I hardly ever post. I copy and paste. Completely different.
TexBetsy @ 286
No matter, I still like what you do.
Loo Hoo. @ 282
One word of warning, to you and anyone listening. If it happens, DON’T MIX INTO IT! Stay home, avoid confrontation, say whatever you have to say to stay alive and safe. The professionals (myself included) will take care of it.
If you want a lovely song that provides an amazingly accurate take on the whole thing, go listen to “Silent Running” by Mike The Mechanics. There is a YouTube video up, waitaminnit..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KL_fgWgK40
Our organization (such as it is) is usually jokingly referred to by its members as “the high command”. Weird coincidence…
Suzanne @ 224
i am happy as long as our highs stay in the low 90s and overnight we see the 70s.
which it has been doing, but for August that’s mild.
TexBetsy @ 286
sez you.
TexBetsy @ 286
I do seem to recall some, what do we call it, reporting? From a certain breakfast event in Chicago? And other events in the surrounding convention center earlier this month…
Nope. Blogger.
Oh yeah. The love blogging from YKos2. I guess that counts.
newtonusr @ 291
ding!
TexBetsy @ 292
What’d we tell ya? ;-)
TexBetsy @ 286
you copy and paste a mite better than the average blogger blogs, i’d say.
coursin’, i may be biased: i am fond of you.
Althespook: Huzza Huzza
live blogging and pictures – that makes you a blogger and a news photographer tex. and the radio interviews – a reporter.
BigMitch @ 296
yeah right. let’s hope its all just a music video…
Suzanne @ 297
Journalist
There may be blogging in the blood. My son’s jumped into the game as well.
TexBetsy @ 280
Yes, on ABC.
yellowdog jim @ 299
My business card says “correspondent”.
well, there ya go, tex, correspondent, business cards, press credentials, camera, laptop, and a blog.
You kids play nice together. This little guy needs to get some dinner. See you all later.
Loo Hoo. @ 275
Me3
take care Mitch
enjoy dinner, mitch
I need to slip out as well…good night all!
Dipping my toes in to say Hi, all y’all.
It’s hot and dry in LA tonight.
Sorry to hear about all the wetness in Texas, tho. Wish we could all have something in the middle.
Bullets and laundry.
Okra!
Oh, another Saturday Night and….
(I’ve got plenty of somebodys, but no paycheck).
welcoming demi and waving g’nite to ll – sleep well
Hey Demi!! Are you packed?
Suzanne
I am SO looking forward to the cooler temps next week…where you are.
(planning, planning, planning)
Packin’ heat!
Ha.
Kidding.
We’ve decided to Take The Dog (warning on The Dog) Suz.
So, that means less space to pack.
Have to do Lite this time.
I always say that and then always bring Too Much Stuff.
Why is Kobe, my American Eskimo, sleeping with his head resting on the leg of the table when there are pillows available? He looks so uncomfortable…
Dogs! Why does mine lay with his big old body on the couch and with his fore arms on the floor? That looks uncomfortable.
Must be a dog thing.
TexBetsy @ 302
and could that be an entendre?
demi, you got my cell # right?
yellowdog jim @ 316
pardon me?
BigMitch @ 304
bye bigmitch!
Evening all!
persiflage @ 320
Good morning. Or afternoon. Or even g’day.
demi @ 315
its a “rest attack” position. If he needs to spring into action, his front feet are ready to take his weight and his back feet can push off the couch.
Animal telepathy has its advantages….except that 89% of all animal thoughts involve “hungry, where’s food?”….
Suz
Yeppers.
Wednesday and Thursday at Pismo.
Be up there Friday and Saturday. Thot I’d call you Wednesday before we leave. Does that work for you?
(the dog’s okay. He’s just a really big puppy and very excurberant.)
token has changed weight categories. the cutest dog in the world in the 9lb category is sleeping in the chair next to me, laying on the blankie baby girl gave him for christmas – from old navy and it is the softest lushest thing in the house.
Afternoon actually but I I’m such a conformist (not).
persiflage @ 320
yo, persiflage!
sounds like a plan demi – looking forward to it – token is the size of a puppy and thinks he is a big dog
Suzanne @ 327
He IS a big dog! Do you realize how huge he is compared to 99.9999% of the other life forms on earth?
(never mind that they are insects and bacteria. still counts.)
TexBetsy @ 318
sorry, as in, double entendre.
i was kidding:
used to be in divorce filings they referred to the other woman as “correspondent”.
1) you are too young to know this.
2) it does NOT apply to you.
3) you’re too innocent for my inappropriate entendre jibe.
Ah, Tim Russert tosses in his thick, plush bed. His right hand wearing a glove filled with Jergen’s lotion so that it will be nice and moist and soft for the handjob he intends to administer to the Beltways’s Boy Genius, Karl Rove.
-GSD
althespook @ 322
Oh, Al! You know everything. You spook thru the tubz? We should all be in the “rest attack” position, yes?
from CNN:
An “extremely dangerous” Hurricane Dean intensified Saturday as it muscled across the Caribbean and headed toward Jamaica, the National Hurricane Center said Saturday. The effects of the storm are being felt in Haiti, the Dominican Republic and space.
demi @ 331
politically yes physically no. see previous post to loo hoo about Mike and the Mechanics.
persiflage @ 325
and the other side of the dateline, too, i’d imagine?
TexBetsy @ 332
and i’m worried about that dayam shuttle. nasa says “Trust us, everything’s fine!” Why do I feel unconvinced…?
NASA decided not to patch the shuttle hole from the foam – I don’t trust em as far as my 93 year old grandma with a broken wrist could toss em.
The effects of the storm are being felt in Haiti, the Dominican Republic and space.
The effects are felt in SPACE??
Time for me to get some sleep. No alarm clock for tomorrow though. :)
See y’all in the AM.
yellowdog jim @ 334
Oh yes, by the time Sunday gets to you, I’ll have used up the best bits but, I promise I’ll leave some for you.
GSD @ 330
(self protective filters shut down read capablities: no information available on latest image pathways; purging all caches; burning all memory references; inputs denied.)
pain free sleep wishes, tex
TexBetsy @ 338
But the debate…
Suzanne @ 336
dead folks orbiting
TexBetsy @ 332
My brother’s wife is Jamaican. Most of her family is here now, but one brother remains. He says he’s ready with sandbags and boarded up windows.
Let’s knock on wood.
-GSD
Loo Hoo. @ 342
if i am up, i will watch it.
Loo Hoo. @ 337
Yep. had to bring the shuttle down a day early to avoid the storm.
The things are so fragile now they literally are afraid to ship them on the back of that carrier jet. You tax dollars at work.
If you want to see how a space program SHOULD be run, try this link.
G’night Betsy. We are but ships that pass in the afternoon. Sleep well, sweet dreams.
TexBetsy @ 338
sleep well texB.
Loo Hoo. @ 337
that IS a strong storm!
yellowdog jim @ 343
This has me creeped out. Being from NH and the last time a teacher was launched in a shuttle and all….I am certain the NASA equivalent of Michael Brown is doing a heckuva job as we read and write.
-GSD
are the effects felt in space due to the schedule changes due to the storm or is the storm actually affecting space – is the space station feeling turbulence from it?
Persiflage, have you had another chance to see Petedownunder? Haven’t seen him around lately.
Is all well with you, I hope?
I’m catching up here. I just may have found the perfect housemate, at 1:30 am! My world is looking up.
Suzanne @ 351
no i’m quite sure she meant the rescheduling. The atmosphere’s absolute top is way below ISS levels.
I hear ya GSD – I’ve been worried about it ever since they found the HOLE down to the aluminum skin – which is what brought down the Challenger.
TJ @ 353
congrats, TJ!
Suzanne @ 351
Can’t be. You’ve got your atmosphere, your stratosphere, then SPACE.
When did Ann Rice jump the shark?
-GSD
TJ @ 353
Well give it up! We need to know whether we should be showering you in congratulations!
This makes my late nights the last week very serendipitous.
Loo Hoo. @ 352
No I haven’t but Mr Persi might catch up with him next week. Pete was in the US until recently and may still be there. He’s such a busy guy he has a bi-continental life.
in re space versus atmosphere, wiki link. See the tall graphic to the righthand side…
Al,
Didn’t find it.
Searched Mike and…
nadda
Searched Loo Hoo. and, hon, you’re prolific tonight.
Trying to watch an old I Spy too. :)
GSD @ 358
Judas Priest.
After a week of trying the internet sites with almost no response, I found a person of similar age who seems really nice on the phone. She’s coming tomorrow, and I think we’ll sign a lease!
Oh and everything’s just ticketyboo here. Mr Persi’s away, working in the Solomon Islands, so it’s just me and the kitties.
GSD @ 350
me too: it is grim beyond words.
i pray they can make it home safe.
i fear the worst.
TJ @ 360
The lake does that. I had a laker actually save my life, all unintended. I had gotten dehydrated and didn’t realize it but he somehow sensed it and told me to get help, RIGHT NOW. I called my MD and described the symptoms and he sent an ambulance. I’m fine now but still, fascinating how it all worked out.
demi @ 363
see my 288 has the YT link and all.
Suzanne @ 355
ex.
act.
ly.
GSD @ 358
shaking head
Going back to what you were talking about last night, Al, I believe there is something to quantum entanglement.
yellowdog jim @ 370
If we’re gonna worry, let’s worry with facts as we have them:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S…..r_disaster
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S…..a_disaster
TJ @ 372
I agree, but let’s define our terms. you mean in the area of consciousness?
288, got it.
have to wait for a commerical
I Spy
Robert Culp is So Young.
It’s not just me watching.
Must. Be. Considerate.
:)
demi @ 375
hell, bill cosby was barely out of diapers in those.
GSD @ 358
A long time ago. Like when she fired her editors and did all her proofreading herself. (never a good thing, with a lot of authors) That just takes the cake though. o_0…
I’m gonna be calling it a nite. remember it is Sat and Thers only does the one – no late late tonight.
g’nite everyone
Suzanne @ 378
nite suz. good thoughts for shuttle and jamaica.
hmmm.
that was weird.
weirder than usual anyway.
a minute ago, what i will call
“light applause” came from my computer’s speakers for maybe 10 seconds.
i checked to see if a youtube or other audio like site was open in firefox: zip.
i was NOT doing anything.
really.
Night night Suzanne.
yellowdog jim @ 380
just your nsa handler testing the line – pay it no mind (laughing)
So, no late late nite and we’re at 378?
This will be interesting
Poof?
Bill Cosby before pudding commercials?
And, isn’t quantum entanglement what we call..
God?
oooh commercial
althespook @ 374
I do, but I’m woefully uninformed.
Everyone here hates Hillary except me?
yellowdog jim @ 380
Loo Hoo. @ 385
I don’t hate hillary or any dem candidate. I just don’t have a current favorite.
althespook @ 386
ha ha!
it just did it again.
how fun.
it’s like y’all are applauding me.
HA.
Loo Hoo. @ 385
Hate is a little too strong. I would like Hillary to have some really strong competition among Democrats, but her finincial advantages make that unlikely. And she seems all too willing to be drawn to the right, which worries many. And other issues, but not hate.
I don’t hate Hillary (not that it counts cause I can’t vote). There are others that I like more than her but I could live with a Hillary presidency.
Loo Hoo. @ 385
Hill’s okay.
she’s better than Biden.
TJ @ 384
join the crowd, we have really nice jackets and buttons. :)
Let me give you a wiki article to read if you haven’t already. This simple but utterly profound bit of science is the basis for my contention that consciousness is a true phenomenon (as opposed to its current scientific definition of “epiphenomenon” which is lab coat talk for “illusion”.)
There is no known mechanism for this. The entanglement observed now in various experiments may be related to the Bell effect, or it may not. But ANY way you slice it, the Bell effect indicates that mind creates object reality in some way science cannot even begin to currently understand. And if that’s the case, then above all we have to modify the evolution concept to include it, or it may come back to bite us.
That’s as far as I want to go right now. When you think you’re ready, I’ll reccommend a book to read by Philip Young on the artificial intelligence take on consciousness, it shaped much of my own perspectives due to its excellent arguments and factual presentation.
Suzanne @ 355
Well, yes, but it’s in a different place. The Columbia hole was the leading edge of the left wing, a known aerodynamic hot spot. The current hole is in a place that is believed to be not a problem. But how do they know that for sure? They claim to have done lots of simulations, but now that they have the capability for a space fix, I think they’re idiots not to do the fix. I’ve been saying this ever since the Columbia disaster: the space station needs to function as a repair dock. At the space station, they should be equipped to replace ANY of the tiles.
Bob in HI
Suzanne @ 382
well, that’s OKAY then.
It did it just now!
that’s 3.
Bob Schacht @ 393
Thanks, Bob.
Bob Schacht @ 393
amen. the reason i’ve heard is that to do the repair, they have to go out on that arm way beyond its known safety limits. And given the inertial behavior of the thing, if it lashed back suddenly, bye bye station and shuttle. breakup on camera, everyone dying horribly and burning up.
ISS and shuttle are government contract built. they suck.
Yellowdog Jim, minimize your browser. A popup ad may be behind it. Or is that a popunder?
OT – Moyers replay, and Bill referred to AbuG as a “partisan sockpuppet”.
Love Bill. I wonder what blogs he reads…
Thank you for the link, Al. I’m going to bookmark it and then head to bed, as I’m actually feeling tired. I guess now that I’ve got a good potential housemate, my body has decided I can sleep.
Sweet dreams to you all.
newtonusr @ 398
he said on his first piece about blogging that Talking Points Memo is the first thing he reads every morning and the last thing he reads every night. the clip ought to still be up on TPM…
TJ @ 399
Sleep well, TJ. Luck on the housemate.
Hate was too strong. You’re right newtonusr. It just feels that way with so many of the comments. I do realize that I’m in the minority here in my support for her. Hope you can watch the debates tomorrow morning, because I think she will win again.
I love John Edwards, don’t get me wrong. And I would certainly be delighted with an Obama presidency over the nightmare of the last years. I just think that Hillary is the smartest and most experienced one to handle the absolute nightmare that we find ourselves in right now.
I would dream that Edwards would be on her ticket as VP with some real autonomy on domestic issues assigned to him.
Hillary is brilliant and has worked for this her entire life. Bill as a twofer is no small prize.
I understand the issue of her taking corporate campaign contributions, but I haven’t seen a comparison of how that has affected her vote. I’d really like to see that.
My dream for the moment? Hillary/Edwards/ Bill.
Hey all,
I’m with TJ, I ‘copied the wiki link for tomorrow as well.
Too Sleepy.
Don’t have enough energy to hate Hill or anyone.
All y’all are the best.
And to all a good night.
xxx ooo
althespook @ 392
i liked Roger Penrose and Stuart Hameroff’s theory that quantum states are preserved in our cells’ microtubles and it is these quantum states which are what we experience as consciousness.
microtubles are depicted in this animation of leukocyte extravasation.
Loo Hoo. @ 402
My dream is Gore/Kucinich, with Edwards as chief of the new cabinet level office of Economic Security (if everyone has a good job, the terrorists lose), Obama as Secretary of State with the authority to get tough (ie full backing of prez and senate). Kucinich’s job is to end the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan asap but make sure that there isn’t a power vacuum (easily done, we sell northern iraq to the turks except for the part near syria, which they can have, western iraq to the saudis and eastern iraq to the iranians. Oh, and we dig carter out of retirement and have him sweet talk the iranians out of the nuke progrram in exchange for building gasoline refineries and some light water nuclear plants for internal use). Hillary replaces Roberts after he is impeached, and Bill replaces Alito ditto. Gore puts ecological salvation above everything and we dig ourselves out of that mess. Edwards takes care of the corporate scandals (Fitz is attorney general with teeth a yard long. Iglesias is his deputy (now held by mcnulty))
Dream on, little dreamer, dream on.
TheOtherWA @ 397
Good one!
thanks.
but no luck.
i think it’s a left over from a youtube visit
or
onw of the sites i still have open wants more attention:
facebook;
freckles place;
that anne rice freakout;
my blog.
demi @ 403
smooches back, demi. sleep well and dream of jelly and cinnamon apples…
okay yellowdogjim
you just had to get me going again.
No. I’m copying that as well.
The secrets of the universe will have to wait until…(nodding off)
Loo Hoo. @ 402
When Hil has dinner thrown in her honor by Rupert Murdoch, we rightfully get the “willies”. When she rubs elbows with Gingrich, we are pissed. And when she joins Goopers decrying flag burning, it makes some of us completely crazy.
But her decision to drive her campaign into an unapologetic ditch over the AUMF, when she could have made it all better with the left and not alienated the right is just puzzling.
Gore is my choice. There is no one on this planet who is more qualified and I like the guy, stiff as he might be. And Hillary has given us every right to be pissed, but I am willing to concede that it may be her campaign and not her ideas that make me crazy.
Al…
jelly and cimmmmaonimmmmm…..yum.
(hearts)
althespook @ 405
i dream an idea i read somewhere online:
deadlocked convention.
as a consensus unity candidate,
convention drafts Al Gore.
then i dream of us picking the VP slot.
Gore/Clinton?
Gore/Obama?
Gore/?
yellowdog jim @ 404
I proposed almost twenty years ago that neruons were doing dna-based internal computation, based on the slug experiments with rna. Now we see similar microtubules in neurons (thus penrose’s concept) which apparently shuttle ions to synaptes to control their strength internally as well as via pore density.
OTOH, Penrose seems to me to be more philosophical in some ways than I’m comfortable with. I like physics stuff, hard numbers, reproduceability. Still, it is a most thought provoking concept…
Attack of the Ninja Puppy!
(do not view with liquid in mouth…)
althespook @ 412
Penrose is the more abstract, although philosophically he’s a realist: fights with his grad student o’ yore Stephen Hawking, who is an empiricist in the hard-nosed scientific tradition: they don’t believe in “reality”.
Hameroff is the more rigorous than Penrose.
He’s a anesthesiologist.
but i enjoy Penrose’s proof that we are not Turing Machines, hence we are not doing computing unless we are doing it in the quantum sense of computing.
yellowdog jim @ 414
Yeah, the not-Turing bit i REALLY liked. Made me willing to read more of his work. And I find it fascinating that Penrose trained Hawking. BTW, recent science channel special on Hawking’s fall from grace in terms of cosmological orthodoxy. Bout time, he’s a theoretician, not a saint. science doesn’t allow for saints, and that includes einstein.
And on that note I’m closing up shop until tomorrow. night all firepups lurking in the fireflies’s glow.
(poof)
nite alfred.
the servers will survive another night.
Good night, Alfred. I went back to read late late night after I koncked out last night and it was really on fire. Enjoyed it very much!
http://video.google.com/videop…..3867390173
I just got done watching this. I am not an internet movie person, and this is almost two hours long… But I had to see the whole thing.
I thought maybe some late nighters might be interested.
althespook @ 415
i saw a god awful BBC program on Hawking that was idolatrous. They insisted on making comparisons to Einstein, to Hawking’s benefit.
just Gross.
i enjoyed penrose making useful connections between turing, godel and quantum computation. if only for aesthetic reasons.
and yet there is a useful view there too.
yellowdog jim @ 414
man…. i feel like a pair of brown shoes between two tuxedos …….
Here’s an article about the debate tomorrow mor