Fred Thompson has an identity crisis.
He wants us all to think he’s this studly, sturdy, tough-as-nails guy, the Sgt. Rock of politicians, who says what he means and means what he says, never at a loss, always in control, just like District Attorney Arthur Branch, the guy he plays on Law and Order.
But of course, Arthur Branch is a fictional character. So, to a large extent, is Fred Thompson. And just as Fred doesn’t look quite so studly without his makeup — and just as he doesn’t sound so self-assured and in control without a set of lines on a cue card to recite — his job history shows Fred to be a somewhat different, and more pliable, guy — especially where ethics are concerned.
You see, even though Fred likes to bill himself as a Former United States Senator, that’s only a small part of his résumé. Most of his adult life has been spent as either a lobbyist or an actor — which, when you think about it, comes to the same thing. But he really doesn’t like it when people bring up the fact that he spent twenty years on Capitol Hill as a very high-paid lobbyist. That’s not the image he wants to project, not now. Lobbyists are slick and smooth and wear expensive suits, not the polo shirts and cowboy boots Fred uses to project a good-ole-boy, straight-talkin’, not-polished-enough-to-lie image.
Lobbyists will say whatever pleases their audience of the moment, with position papers that can be either pro- or anti-abortion, depending on the crowd in the theater. You can be paid to represent a pro-choice group when arm-twisting congressmembers and then turn around and declare your opposition to abortion. You can be the mouthpiece for dictators and thugs and then talk about your dedication to freedom and democracy.
In short, just like any other actor, you can be whatever the folks paying your salary want you to be.
It must be freeing, not to have any firm principles or ethics. Other than the love of money.
UPDATE: A commenter has taken me to task for picking on lobbyists. And yes, lobbying doesn’t have to be a dishonorable profession — ethical lobbyists hated Jack Abramoff because he not only gouged his Indian-tribe clients with astronomical fees (well over $60 million worth), but then stabbed them in the back by lobbying against them.
But Fred Thompson, as a lobbyist for most of the years since 1975, understands public perception. And if he really thought that his lobbying career was something he thought would go over well with the public, why isn’t that the most prominent part of his CV? Instead, he only brought it up recently in response to its having been brought up by other folks. [And another commenter, who himself was a lobbyist for a nonprofit org, states that the current lobbying setup is -- by design -- "ethically corrupt to the core".]
Oh, and not to mention Fred’s pretending to be a Beltway outsider, which is the complete opposite of the facts. He’s been a GOP operative and DC insider since shortly after he got out of law school in 1967. He was named an assistant USA in 1969 under Nixon, then headed up Howard Baker’s 1972 Senate campaign and went to DC with him full-time after Baker’s win. He’s been a lobbyist since 1975, and a Senator when he wasn’t lobbying, with an acting career shoehorned into all of that to boot.
Oh, and his current (and much younger) wife’s a hardcore DC insider, too. If he were any more inside, he’d turn into a black hole.
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PW!
Hi from Phoenix…
PW Dos!
1
Good morning Phoenix Woman!
Ah, love of money. That is what we have sort of been talking about downstairs.
Missed the zed, don’t like the fred.
Nice rhyme Rene.
How about him wearing his gucci shoes to the Iowa State Fair?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..lykos.com/
I’m still on my first cuppa.
ReneND @ 9
Me too, ugh…
I saw the videos of Thompson at the Iowa State Fair, riding in a golf cart. He looks old and ill. His lymphoma may be active again.
ReneND @ 9
Will you share or I need to get off my lazy duff and make it…
katymine @ 12
Oh I’d share, but I think I’m out of pods. I’m moving on to tea.
Well gang, I need to go tend my yard and get some things staked up and taken care of before we get the next deluge which will probably come from Hurricane Dean next week. (We got five inches here from Erin.) Right now the hurricane is taking aim at Brownsville. We’ll be on the back side of it and get the harder rain bands that spin out from it. Being already saturated, we could have significant flooding in the Hill Country and downstream.
OT but surely the pups here have noticed that the white house has now said they will call for a troop lowering in Iraq. Feeling the heat obviously. BUt as pointed out elsewere this is standard bate and switch. Also, with the troop level at the highest level EVA there, they have no choice. Lets see what the Dems will do with this. Hope they are getting some heat this summer at home.
Steve-AR @ 11
Thompson doesn’t get it.
Americans don’t revere old, ill and daffy in their presidents until the second term.
Excellent post PW! I love the nod to Kurt Vonnegut.
katymine @ 1
Hello!
katymine @ 8
Someone needs to get a still on that and spread it all over the internet “tubes” because that is exactly the sort of thing that gets the wingnuts on the right mad. Geez he is looking downright “French.”
Jim Jenkins @ 17
Thanks! I was thinking of quoting a passage from that story, but was strapped for time.
We all know what happened the last time an actor ran California….and then the Country. It was a total disaster, from which we have not revocered yet.
If you have every watched Law and Order, carefully, you can see that it is a very carefully engineered piece of government propaganda. No wonder Fred is a part of it.
One of these days, someone like Jane, who would probably know where to look, is going to do a deep background on the producers….like following them back to where they get their money, who they are, and so on…..Not just Law and Order. Someone asked a real good question a few nights ago…or maybe it was Froomkin in the WAPO. If we had a State-run media, how would it look any different?
The actors and story lines in a show give no proof positive to where the money comes from, but I guarantee you that it would be really interesting to find out if any of that money was guaranteed, not by the banks, but by BushCo, through some complicated funneling scheme. It wouldn’t be the first time.
katymine @ 8
Oh, that’s lovely! Truly all hat and no cattle, though his south-of-the-Mason-Dixon-border accent is at least legit, as opposed to Bush’s fakery.
But…But… He smells good!
egregious @ 4
Good morning, ‘gregie! How goes it today?
PeteCO @ 23
HAHAHAHAHA!
Those of you just waking up. Let me warn you NOT to go downstairs for coffee. Montag left a chocolate orange cheesecake recipe (@71) (now cooling in the frige). It will slow down your cardio system so much that you will get NOTHING of substance done today —or tomorrow. You are warned!!
EPU’d –
Adie,
geckoed1 AT aol DOT com
Thanks!
In an entertainment news somewhere I read that one of the big issues of Old Fred announcing is all the residuals that will be lost to other actors until after the primaries.
It seems that they cannot play the Law&Order or movies as that is noted as ads so all those actors cannot get paid for their work if they are not shown either on the standard network or all the other cable who run the reruns.
Ya think Old Fred will be pulling in the Hollywood bucks with their livelihood and income threatened?
cynic,
If you really want to watch some scary gov’t. agitprop, watch ‘Criminal Minds’ on network TV. These bastards quote the Patriot Act when cuffing a reporter for not cooperating with them, and enter homes without a warrant. I’d swear Abu writes the story lines!
The basic gist is, if the crime is horrific enough, personal rights go out the door.
The Old, Mean and Crazy schtick is not working for Mccain and it won’t work for Freddy either.
katymine @ 28
Plus there are alot of viewers who like L&O even in reruns. They won’t be too happy either.
Thompson’s run is another vanity campaign, driven by his wife instead of his parents (a la Bush).
He’ll want to win, but Freddie won’t want to govern. It’s hard work, after all.
4 more years of Karl Rove?
PW,
Kind of the cognitive dissonance one expects from Repukes – they love to bash Hollywood, and they love actors as presidents.
Here’s my “fear” about this Fred Thompson run. He has non-Hodgkins lymphoma, which is in remission. He looks unhealthy. If he runs on a ticket, say with Jeb, is elected (Diebold), and has to resign for health reasons shortly into his “presdinetsy”, well…you can see where this is going.
Yabba-Dabba-Doo! Fred Flintstone…ahmmmm…Thompson and his wife Wilma…ahmmmm…Jeri shore make for sexy couple.
Who knew a dinosaur could still be hangin’ around after millions of years?
Heck, why don’t we jest elect him the next Preznit
wit. Maybe even have Dick “Barney Rubble” Cheney stick around too!Phoenix Woman @ 24
Things are good, thanks! We’re trying to keep the place in good order while Christy has some quality family time.
LS @ 34
EEEksss
…and then Jeb would have to pick a new VP…Cheney will be back.
LS @ 38
You guys are killin my sugar buzz from the montag recipe.
Amy Goodman from Democracy Now!, being interviewed several years ago:
“But for the media to name their coverage [of the 2003 invasion of Iraq] the same as what the Pentagon calls it — everyday seeing ‘Operation Iraqi Freedom’ — you have to ask: ‘If this were state [controlled] media, how would it be any different?’”[10]
Truly a hero of our times.
It isn’t just actors… there is a crew of 50-100 people who work on each episode. These people will also loose their residuals. That is the reason why they show the credits….. that is when they get paid.
For those who live in Illinois Jan Schakowsky’s district here’s a public event for the You Work For Us Summer Tour.
Town Hall Meeting
Saturday, August 25, 1:30 to 3pm
St. Andrew’s Greek Orthodox Church
5649 N. Sheridan Rd., Chicago
Lea-no uh @ 27
Thanks! Got it! ;->
Dear sweet Mods. Could you please fix original addy at 27 to safer form? Thanks.
[Mod: already done, no extra charge]
egregious @ 39
That was some recipe…wow..I’m going to try it someday.
diogenes @ 29
I guarantee you, an investigation, a serious investigation, would be extremely interesting. The producers seldom write the scripts, but in addition to finding out where the money comes from, one might find out who the writers are too. All of those shows are anti-Constitution. It isn’t happenstance, and the actors have nothing to do with it….unless they are listed as co-producers, and then I’d investigate them too. The idea of a movie is to make money…..and God help a producer who doesn’t. Unless they are getting their bankrolling somewhere else, somewhere than doesn’t care if they make money or not, because the money that’s being put up doesn’t belong to individuals or a bank. It belongs to the government….er……we the people. I wonder what innocuous office handles that. Come to think of it, maybe Christy would be better qualified to guide an investigation like that. There is a paper trail…..and the minute it even wavers from the conventional, I’d suspect it…..or, if it involves a bank funniling cash into a guarantee scheme, I’m sure there might be an SEC violation there. I know all about propaganda. I majored in it in the 60’s
Jim Jenkins @ 17
I wish Vonnegut were still here to opine on Fred’s folksy ways…. I suspect that Kurt would find many similarities between Thompson and Mr. Rosewater.
OT, but of interest here at the Lake: Let’s run out the clock some more!
Labor day. Yah, sure ya can. We’ve waited 2 years already, what’s a few more holidays. Heck, let’s jest give ya ’til Xmas.
Wouldn’t that be great? Santa
Deadeyecomin’ down the chimney with a few more lumps of coal. My favorite!I’m really sick of Fielding and Addington. They both need to be subpoened (which they would never obey). Then they need to be held for inherent contempt. Meanwhile, demand that the documents be produced.
I’ve had it with these traitors.
LS @ 34
I would hope that having a “Bush” on the ticket would elicit the same response from the electorate that having a “Hitler” would.
Hi there PW, I was in Phoenix myself on Sunday – Monday (also Yuma, it was a business trip…I got back to Ohio Tuesday morning and had to go right into loan committee). The temperature in Yuma was 114, just 2 below the all time high set in 1919. But it was also 114 in Phoenix.
Is this heat wave still going on?
This guy is a joke. How stupid do they believe the public is? Just because he’s got a resonating voice and looks like everybody’s Grandpa (or basset hound) doesn’t mean he knows what he’s talking about. Absolutely no substance to the GOP. I would be surprised if his illness would allow him to sustain a rigorous campaign.
The notion of a Fred Thompson presidency just scares the beejeebus out of me. Thankfully, I believe the numbers are just way too against him and he has no chance of winning the nomination. Overly optimistic thinking, perhaps, but I’ve got to find hope somewhere.
That said, a Hillary Clinton presidency doesn’t exactly settle my stomach either, but if it can win the White House to open the doors to progressivism, then she’s got my vote.
And maybe, just maybe, the door will also open to a constitutional amendment abolishing the Electoral College and establishing a popular-vote Presidency.
Hey, a feller can dream, can’t he?
katymine @ 28
Oooh, doubly good news. Fred’s ego puts others out of work (and that will not happen *quietly*, btw)(hell, Sam Waterston is runnin’ a political party). They’ll crucify him – the stories of the show’s crew and families’ loss of income will hit *hard*.
AND, that horrible fucking propaganda-bonanza show won’t be on the air 24/7/365. Yippee!
Looks like there will be no Republican presidential savior candidate after all: I feel just awful about that.
I’m really sick of Fielding and Addington. They both need to be subpoened (which they would never obey). Then they need to be held for inherent contempt. Meanwhile, demand that the documents be produced.
I’ve had it with these traitors.
PeteCO @ 49
With the California situation, there is a distinct possibility that they could pull this off – Bush on the ticket or not. The Repubs would rejoice. I’m sure they are planning something like this. Cheney will not go away. I think there would be rioting in the streets. I know I would be out there.
Ahem… “amendment” is what I meant to type. [Mod: fixed]
The White House on Friday asked a Senate panel for more time to produce subpoenaed information about the legal justification for President Bush’s secretive eavesdropping program.
On account of they’re still trying to make one up?
cynic #45,
It wouldn’t take all that. All it would take is compromising a producer with incriminating information, and then telling him,”This is the angle you will favor.”
Tinfoil hat time, but not completely, not if you’ve studied COINTELPRO.
Fred Thompson is just an actor hired to bluff the country. He is part of Rove’s ultimate plan.
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 50
Hate to be the one to bring you the bad news, but PW lives up here at the North Pole like me. We are closer to Frostbite Falls than to Phoenix.
On a serious note, what I’ve not heard mentioned about Friendly Fred with the basset hound jowls is that the public is being played, with him, in exactly the same way as they were with Bush in 1999 and early 2000. The good ol’ boy, someone you’d like to have a beer with and chat with across the fence. (Combined with an ability to remember one’s lines ala’ Reagan.)
This folksy bullshit has really got to be called out, or we’re on the same rocket-powered handbasket ride as we were on in 2000….
Moon @ 51
Prediction: Thompson campaign goes NOWHERE.
” OK, smartass, what’s YOUR projected main event?”
Hillary vs Mitt.
montag @ 60
Thaats riiight!
It’s so obvious.
PeteCO @ 49
Adolph Tancredo? Benito Giuliani?
Got a ring to `em….
RonD @ 57
It’s also documented that the Office of Drug Control Policy once got bitch-slapped for trying to dictate how illegal drugs got portayed on Tee Vee shows. They were demanding prior script review.
Not making that up.
Mad Dogs @ 59
A-yep, though for most of June, July and August it’s felt like that other Phoenix, complete with humidity!
Meanwhile, I got this lovely note from Peterr that I wanted to share with y’all:
Sorry, PW, you’re waaaaay off base here.
If you want to oppose Fred because of his positions on issues, that’s fine.
But recall that Fred is a lawyer. As such, he has an ethical obligation to zealously represent his clients. Whoever the client is, they are entitled to the lawyer’s best efforts. Lawyers who take their ethical obligations seriously should be applauded, not excoriated, because the system breaks down if it’s any other way.
Do we not respect and admire Jeralyn, a criminal defense lawyer, for her tireless and effective work on behalf of people who are, for the most part, despicable human garbage? Yes, we do, because if not for people like Jeralyn the system cannot function.
Lobbying is nothing more than legal advocacy in a different arena than the courthouse. Fred has always been a good, ethical lawyer. He’s no different than Jeralyn, Christy, or lhp in that respect.
Find some other reason to slam him. This dog don’t hunt.
ifthethunderdontgetya @50
I live in Phoenix… not PW
We went out of the monsoon for a while, that means that there is less moisture in the air which then allows the temps to rise. Since the tropical storm in TX it is back (we get the tail ends of the storms that hit the gulf)
montag @ 64
It won’t be them. Cheney’s daughter is on Thompson’s so-called campaign. They are going to pull of the big final coup, unless we call their bluff and stop them.
Fred Thompson is better actor and worse politician than Ronald Reagan. Reagan’s politics were divisiveness and fear, even as California governor, but he wasn’t a selfish opportunist. Thompson’s politics are fear, divisiveness and corruption, and he’s a skilled opportunist.
katymine @ 28
Well, they do have about 12-15 years of Law and Order reruns without Freddie they can keep repeating. And few of his movies are that good that they can’t be out of the cycle for a while.
Compliant and intellectually lazy, is it any wonder the neocons are flocking to his campaign?
When does the new Die Hard movie come out? They usually rerun all of the previous movies when another in the series comes out, and Freddie was in the 2nd one.
burnspbesq @ 67
Since when did lobbying become legal work? He has a license to practice law; his lobbying is a side business – like an Amway distributorship.
It doesn’t take a license to lobby, and he wasn’t being hired to do legal work – he was a salesman.
I’m with Diogenes @29. My wife lovers this show, she sees it as a police procedural, but it just disgusts me. The crimes are shown with loving, Silence of the Lamb, treatment. It features one of my personal pet peeves, an all-powerful computer geek, and every other archetypal crime solver. And the upshot is that the government employs really smart people who can solve any crime, and would be even faster if not for the pesky law thing.
I wonder why Mandy Patinkin really left.
I have just had my first week as a empty nester … been kidless for just over a week..
Golly, you know the kitchen is still clean when I get up in the morning!
So is the kitchen table..
I can do my laundry at any time… wow…
burnspbesq @ 67
Umm, the world is full of C- presidents, lawyers, doctors and dentists, accountants and hair stylists….
Fred doesn’t practice law. He acts as if he does, for a price.
Being both a lobbyist and a lawyer doesn’t mean he’s honorable in either profession. More likely, it means he’s willing to subvert the skills of one profession in service to the other.
I just happened briefly upon an episode of “Law and Order” the other night that was originally aired a few years ago; Fred is consoling one of the DA’s that the beating and torture of a suspect that was not part of Discovery was for the greater good because there would be no more victims.
I sometimes like to mute the sound and make up my own dialogue; or interject pithy movie quotes of yore.
Fred was moving his mouth, but I had ham saying,
“Badges? We don’t need no stinkin’ badges!”
The older DA had turned to the younger female DA and I had him saying in my best Jack Nicholson voice,
“See honey? He saw it on the tv, so it must be true!”
burnspbesq @67
Lobbying is NOT the practice of law.
Someone needs to do a cartoon “The Many Faces of Fred” with a three-faced (”two-faced” is too good for Thompson) head spouting three opposing viewpoints at the same time.
Now there’s a new one, “what’s worse than a sleazy two-faced Republican hypocrite?”
A SLEAZY THREE-FACED Hollywood-Republican hypocrite!
AKA Fred Thompson. (And Arnold, maybe?)
jayt @ 74
Got a cite to a provision in the rules of professional conduct of any jurisdiction that says that? I rather doubt you can find one.
Nice try, though.
When we have to do battle with Jeb Bush, it’s important that people know about his intervention on behalf of career terrorist Orlando Bosch.
From wiki:
“Bosch was pardoned of all American charges by President George H.W. Bush on July 18, 1990 at the request of his son Jeb Bush…this pardon was despite objections by the then President’s own defense department, that Bosch was one of the most deadly terrorists working “within the hemisphere.” [3] “Although many countries seek Bosch’s extradition he remains free in the United States. The political pressure to grant Bosch a pardon was begun during the congressional campaign run by Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, herself a Cuban American, and overseen by her campaign manager Jeb Bush.”
A War on Terror. Sure.
burnspbesq @ 67
The point being that he has lobbied for stuff like British companies trying to reduce their liability in asbestos law suits, IIRC. Which makes his folksy, one of the little people act a bunch of hypocritical bollocks, IMO.
Public Defenders defend whoever comes along. Lobbyists can pick & choose who they advocate for. IANAL, but that seems pretty clear to me. There’s a huge difference.
montag @ 77
Sorry, that’s just a crock. If you’ve got evidence of unprofessional conduct, let’s have it.
So burnspbesq, you see no difference in being an advocate for a defendant and advocating for a position?
If you really believe that Roe V Wade signals the end of civilization as we know it and yet you argue for the right to choose because you’re being paid, doesn’t that indicate that you have no actual values of your own?
Someone accused of a crime has a right to a vigorous defense. I don’t see how choosing to represent an organization that you believe to be satanic when said organization faces no consequences can be equated with defending someone in a criminal trial. Perhaps you can enlighten me.
Got a cite to a provision in the rules of professional conduct of any jurisdiction that says that? I rather doubt you can find one.
Nice try, though.
Since it doesn’t involve legal representation, there isn’t going to be a provsion in the Rules of Professional Conduct.
Nice strawman, though.
katymine @ 76
When elder egrDau left for college I knew she was gone because I could see the floor of her room. When the last of the 3 took off I thot my gas gauge was broken, did so little driving. It was like an amputation to see each of them go, that first week can be rough. Sounds like you’re doing ok tho, good for you!
You don’t have to take every client that comes down the pike. If you voluntarily take on a client, and later run for office, especially if you do it for the money, why shouldn’t we consider that as an element of your personality? Lie down with dogs, get up with fleas.
Got a cite to a provision in the rules of professional conduct of any jurisdiction that says that? I rather doubt you can find one.
Do *you* have anything to show that lobbyists have to be licensed to practice law?
burnspbesq at 81
“Got a cite to a provision in the rules of professional conduct of any jurisdiction that says that?”
What’s ‘that’?
I’ll take up the debate. I’ve lectured lawyers on rules of professional responsibility.
PeteCO @ 83
There is a fine distinction there, clumsily articulated, that I can accept. You can legitimately take issue with a lawyer’s taste in clients. You can’t take issue with how he or she represents them, so long as he or she stays within the bounds of the applicable law and the rules of professional conduct.
burnspbesq @ 67
If he’s so proud of it, then why isn’t it the first thing he mentions about himself? He’s spent much more time at that than he did as a Senator.
Jim Jenkins @ 85
This is hard for non-lawyers to understand (where’s Christy when I really need her?) but at the core of every lawyer’s character is a dissociation between themselves and the work. It’s just a job. The paradigm case of this is criminal defense attorneys. They spend all day, every day tirelessly advocating for people that, in the overwhelming majority of case, they know did what they are accused of having done. Ask yourself how such folks look at themselves in the mirror. They can look at themselves in the mirror because it’s just a job, it’s a job that needs to be done, and there is intense satisfaction to be found in doing it well.
As a tax lawyer, I’ve done some of my best work for companies whose environmental compliance records might not be fully up to snuff. That ain’t my problem. I assuage my conscience by writing big checks to the Sierra Club and the NRDC.
You’re on a really slippery slope here, and you won’t like what you find at the bottom.
If y’all can’t get past your reflexive dislike of Fred and understand that it has to be this way, then there’s no point in continuing this conversation.
Fred Thompson makes HRC appear exciting.
Who is Fred Thompson? The ultimate fake, I think, even in the current crowd of Presidential candidates.
cynic @ 21
Don’t you remember how often they evoked Regan’s name at the last Republican debate? Thompson is the nearest thing they have. They can’t seem to come to a consensus on any of their current candidates. Huckabee and Brownback are too upfront about their wish for a theocracy. The thing that gives me flashbacks about Thompson is the way Regan was perceived as a benign, grandfatherly figure that wouldn’t hurt anyone. That as he was administering the spoonful of sugar to make the medicine go down, medicine that we are still paying for today.
burnspbesq @ 67
Lobbying, as practiced in Washington, D.C., is all about bribing politicians to serve the interests of the corporations who supply them with the dollars they use to get reelected, rather than interests of the voters said politicians allegedly represent.
Find some other reason to slam him. This dog don’t hunt.
Your platitude does not hunt.
Upon review; Thompson make Lieberman seem thrilling.
burnspbesq @ 84
Umm, I don’t like paid corporate Republican (or Democratic) lobbyists, and think they’re all sleazy. So I tar this idiot with the same brush?
You defend him and his legal record at your peril, not mine. I doubt you know diddly about his record as a lawyer at bar. M’self, I don’t much care. He’s exceptionally two-faced and dissembling, and that’s a quality that transcends professions.
katymine @ 76
Time to get a cat or a dog. At least that way you won’t have to worry about waking up to a clean house.
Cujo359 @ 100
Get one of each and in terms of chaos, as least initially, it’ll be like having the kids back in the nest.
egregious @ 87
ET, Jr. is off to start college in two weeks, Etette back to WA for her senior year in five weeks. I look forward to being able to see ET, Jr.’s floor or being able to open his door and not have it smell like there is some kind of kinky science experiment gone amok in there.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 98
I think that’s going a bit far, even for hyperbole.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 94
Ouch! Coming from you, OKk, that is the ULTIMATE putdown.
Very interesting post. Hard to understand his appeal to anyone who knows his background.
Ed*ard Teller @ 102
Congratulations ET!
Exactly. And there’s a big difference between working to get leniency for an indigent mother who snapped and left her baby on a park bench because she saw no other choice, than there is from going from being a paid lobbyist (not legal counsel, but lobbyist) for a pro-choice group and then turning around to work against that group’s efforts. (Remember, super-lobbyist Jack Abramoff did a variation on that theme when he took huge fees from his Indian-tribe clients and then worked against their interests.)
And again, Fred Thompson’s spent much, much more time as a lobbyist than he has as a Senator or a Hollywood actor. You’d think that if he was so proud of what he’d done — or if he thought it would go over well with the public — that mentioning his longtime career as a DC lobbyist would be the first thing he does.
Yet he only talks about his lobbyist career when he’s forced to do so.
Folks, I’ve been a lawyer for 34 years. Four bar exams, four admissions. Lots of published articles. Lots of CLE presentations.
I can tell you this, lobbying is not practicing law.
It is true that a lawyer can be disbarred for dishonesty not involving the practice of law. Example: filing a fraudulent personal tax return.
But apart from the dishonesty requirements and certain conflict-of-interest rules, the canons of ethics for a lawyer are pretty much inapplicable to a lawyer’s activities not involving the practice of law.
egregious – ygm, re ActBlue questions.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 94
Did you see this diary at Kos re: Gore and Destiny?
http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/8/17/20730/1624
Jonathan @ 108
Although it may often involve writing legislation…. :)
Well, if the media whores carry Fred’s water, and I can see no reason why they won’t, then it’s just like the adage with Grand Jury outcomes. The media and the Republican Party can put a ham sandwich in the white house. We have solid proof of that in 2000 and 2004.
I went for a little wade at the freeper swamp. They have a “Fredipedia” Really.
The Repug criminal cabal is only looking for another “Empty Suit” to head their ticket.
All the Repug Preznit
witWannabees including Fred “Flintstone” Thompson are, in a word, “suitable”.Jest lahk last time (Junya), and the time before that (Poppy), and the time before that (Raygun)…and you get my drift.
“Empty Suits” are the only way the Repugs can hide the mugs of their real button-pushers unless of course you happen to hang out at your local Post Office scopin’ out Wanted Posters.
i loved the post <3 but I gotta add that in the Creature’s opinion it’s not all that freeing to have no restraints. Morality frees one up to be a human being, after all.
Our restraints bind us but they also define who we are.
OK my bad attempt at philosophy is over.
PS. note how haggard Thompson looks. Doesn’t look that free to me!
A lobbyist advocating for a position is salesmanship.
A lawyer advocating for a client in a court proceeding is legal representation.
One can be a lobbyist without being a lawyer-therefore, lobbying is not the practice of law.
Professional representation to gain a market advantage is not the same thing as legal representation to protect life, liberty, or property.
Obviously.
IMH,non-lawyer,O.
Hey You @ 112
Giving Bush too much credit. Shit sandwich is more like it….
Smoke and mirrors..that’s all this Thompson thing is. It’s Rove’s revenge.
Wick Chambers @ 105
Thompson knows full well that if he’s trying to pitch himself as someone who was a “DC outsider” even as a Senator, the last thing he wants is for people to look at his two-decade career as the ultimate insider, a DC lobbyist. Regardless of what one thinks of lobbying (and it can be an ethical profession — one of the things that upset ethical DC lobbyists the most about Jack Abramoff is that he blatantly backstabbed his clients), he knows full well that the crowd to whom he’s selling himself doesn’t much like DC lobbyists.
Ed*ard Teller @ 109
Got it, thanks. Weird that they won’t use her name and photo as a candidate. I don’t know if the upcoming primary has anything to do with it.
Howie Klein will be here in about an hour with BlueAmerica, let’s ask him.
Mad Dogs @ 114
Which reminds me. Fred is even lazier than Bush. Maybe that’s part of his appeal to the wingers….
Gotta admit, when it comes to hubris and over-inflated ego, one senator outshines Thompson by far:
The Ted Stevens Foundation, a charity named after the Republican senator from Alaska, was established to ”assist in educating and informing the public about the career of Senator Ted Stevens,” according to the charity’s tax filing.
Not at all presidential. Going nowhere.
Pathetic.
I have seen Fred08 signs all over town
Jonathan @ 108
Fraid you need a refresher course, friend. Here’s what the DC Rules of Professional Conduct (the version that was in effect from 1991 until January 31 of this year) have to say on the subject:
just to insert my humble opinion on the lawyer/lobbyist issue, I agree with those who have said there is no similarity in the character of the “representation.” As a lawyer you are an advocate working within a system that is designed to resolve civil and criminal matters through adversarial proceedings.
Whoring for moneyed clients in the lawless cesspool that is Capitol Hill is a whole nuther ball game.
I’m sorry, this poor man looks like walking cancer.
Ed*ard Teller @ 122
Oh, geez, that’s funny, in a perverse and obscene sort of way. I wonder if the Ted Stevens Foundation has been keeping up with his recent press clippings as part of that educational mandate?
Jonathan @ 108
In fact, iirc, and please correct me if I’m wrong, there is a responsibility for an attorney operating a side business to make it quite clear, up front, that he is, in such instance, *not* engaging in the practice of law. Further, there is a requirement that any funds received from the side business be kept in accounts clearly separated from his legal account (e.g. trust account).
At least that’s what I was told when I set up a side business – and my cover letter makes quite clear, in two separate paragraphs, that my side business is *not* to be construed as the practice of law, and that I am *not* being hired in a legal capacity.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 98
oh, I think you’ve gone a bit too far there, OKK…
;-)
oddmommy @ 126
Ding Ding Ding…..
Can someone out there with a sense of history remind me about Thompson’s role in Watergate? Why is it I have this niggling little voice in the back of my head that keeps saying, “Thompson was Nixon’s mole.” Can someone throw me a line here?
Special shout to Odd A. Mommy and Redshift; it was a pleasure meeting you. I enjoyed the flesh & bones versions as well or better than the virtual ones.
Also to MauiMom, I’m so sorry we missed you. I wandered the front of Old Ebbitt from 4:45 til 5:20 looking for folk. We probably bumped each other without knowing it. :(
jb
LS @ 110
Thankyou. ;0)
Toby Wollin @ 132
Dumb as hell, but friendly.
Toby Wollin @ 132
Widely alleged, never proven (at least not to my satisfaction). Thompson was a minority counsel on the staff of the Watergate special committee.
OldCoastie @ 130
Ditto, can’t handle the inciting to action with this amount of chocolate butter and cheese in the belly.
Toby Wollin @ 132
Can someone out there with a sense of history remind me about Thompson’s role in Watergate? Why is it I have this niggling little voice in the back of my head that keeps saying, “Thompson was Nixon’s mole.” Can someone throw me a line here?
I believe that your “little voice” said it all, and correctly. I think there was also something on Nixon’s tapes (Nixon and Haldeman speaking) to the effect that “this guy is a real dumb-ass, but at least he’s *our* dumb-ass”.
Jonathan @ 108
Thank you, Jonathan.
And it’s pretty clear that Thompson’s lobbyist career — which started in 1975 and which continued right up to his becoming a Senator and resumed after he left the Senate until his Law and Order acting job started to take up more of his time (he was paid $760,000 in 2003 by the reinsurance firm Equitas to lobby Congress against asbestos legislation) — did not involve him acting as an attorney for his clients, or more than the most tangential use of his legal degree.
Toby Wollin @ 132
Has anyone made that claim? I can’t remember. He was Senate Watergate Committee minority counsel.
But, maybe you’re thinking of this article, which might suggest that if Thompson doesn’t have the ears of a mole, he might have a mole’s snout.
How do you know if a DeadHead has been at your house?
He’s still there.
Not all would put a heroic sheen on Thompson’s Watergate role
You asked for it…. HE FOUGHT the Watergate investigation!
burns at 84 says-”Sorry, that’s just a crock. If you’ve got evidence of unprofessional conduct, let’s have it.”
well, he denied doing pro-abortion work for a client…….campaign denied it, too…….cashed the check though…….
i had one more from raw story, but it’s been removed…….
http://www.latimes.com/news/po…..ome-center
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c…..015037.php
http://www.latimes.com/news/po…..storylevel
Balrog @ 141
I was wondering whose house this was.
Mad Dogs @ 114
I agree with all of this except Poppy.
Unlike his son, Poppy was the real deal, a first class button-pusher.
The CIA named its HQ after him.
katymine @ 131
Agreed. WIN!!!
oddmommy @ 126
How beautifully put.
Several years ago in statewide elections here in Colorado, the Democratic candidate (whose name escapes me) was smeared by the Republican as a “17th Street Lawyer/Lobbyist”. 17th Street is the area in downtown Denver where many such power-brokers have their offices.
The point is; Republicans have a longstanding schtick that likes to ridicule “sharp-talking big-city types” and identify themselves with salt-of-the-earth-good ol’ boys. The fact that Frederick of Hollywood was just such a person really doesn’t square with the Red Pick-Up myth he’s trying to fool the rubes with. That’s why he doesn’t talk about his past, and why we must.
burns, add to my 143—–the raw story one was about how he tipped off the nixon white house about the tapes…….i wouldn’t call that ethical…….
Balrog @ 141
Comes a time when the blind-man takes your hand, says “Don’t you see?
BleuBlazes @ 96
Before getting involved with national politics Reagan was already a very skilled, very successful motivational speaker. He toured the country for GE in that capacity, if I remember correctly.
Motivational speaking is not something everyone can do well. In fact, it’s a pretty rare talent, and rarer still when you consider only the very best of them.
Being a good motivational speaker has no bearing on being a good president from the policy point of view, but it has a lot to do with getting elected, and a lot to do with using the bully pulpit while in office.
Thompson, as far as I can tell, has no such skills. He looks and sounds like an old used-up insurance salesman.
If the Republicans can nominate and elect this guy under the present political circumstances, they are magicians.
Thompson’s got nothing.
burnspbesq @ 125
But is Thompson the legal counsel for his lobbying clients?
And if he really thought that his lobbying career (which started in 1975) was something he thought would go over well with the public, why isn’t that the most prominent part of his CV? He’s spent more time at that than he has at anything else in his adult life, even acting. Yet he only deigned to mention it recently after it had been brought up by other people.
On July 13, 1973, Armstrong, the Democratic staffer, asked Butterfield a series of questions during a private session that led up to the revelation. He then turned the questioning over to a Republican staffer, Don Sanders, who asked Butterfield the question that led to the mention of the taping system.
To the astonishment of everyone in the room, Butterfield admitted the taping system existed.
When Thompson learned of Butterfield’s admission, he leaked the revelation to Nixon’s counsel, J. Fred Buzhardt .
“Even though I had no authority to act for the committee, I decided to call Fred Buzhardt at home” to tell him that the committee had learned about the taping system, Thompson wrote. “I wanted to be sure that the White House was fully aware of what was to be disclosed so that it could take appropriate action.”
http://www.boston.com/news/nat…..gate_role/
dmac @ 148
Had Nixon burned the tapes, Thompson would have committed big-time obstruction of justice.
The ideal GOP candidate!
Ralph @ 150
what if by hook or crook?
What’s the moral difference between a lobbyist and those who are on the receiving end of the lobbyist’s funds?
Phoenix Woman @ 151
Not to mention he’s pretending to be a Beltway outsider, which is the complete opposite of the facts.
montag @ 128
Doubt it, but they need to do that, and soon they’ll be able to track the biggest re-naming of public facilities in Alaska history. The biggest re-name will have to be The Ted Stevens Anchorage International Airport.
The biggest tribute to the vanity of St. Ted and his corrupt ties to the cruise ship industry is the Bill Sheffield Railroad Depot at the Ted Stevens International Airport. The depot is used only by passengers linking to cruise ships run by hefty political contributors to the GOP, but who pay no fees to use the $80,000,000 building, named after Bill Sheffield, the only Alaska Governor to be impeached. It was named after him after he was impeached. Bill Sheffield is the guy who held Veco’s annual pig roast for Don Young in early August, because the usual host, Bill Allen, ex-CEO of Veco, is on his way to prison.
katymine @ 142
Yup. And the famous line he fed Howard Baker — “What did the President know and when did he know it?” — was intended not to attack Nixon, but to let the Democrats know that they were going to have to face a very high standard of proof if they wanted to pin anything on Tricky Dick. Unfortunately for him, Nixon was congenitally incapable of covering his own tracks.
Gucci Fred Thompson…….”Nice pic-nic you got here folks do you have any caviar for those hot Dogs?”
-GSD
Money, money, money and more of it.
OK, listen up, party people.
Those of you heading over to Oprah’s big house in Montecito for the big Obama fundraising party on Sept. 8–and you all know who you are–need to know some very important planning information, which The Times’ Tina Daunt has just obtained exclusively.
Yes, yes, you’ve each already shelled out at least $2,300–and maybe $4,600 if you’re thinking of the general election too. That’s for the invite alone.
Now, according to the instructions just sent out to attendees by Julianna Smoot, Obama’s national finance director, here come the clothing requirements:
First, you need to wear “Garden Attire.” And that don’t mean clothes to go garden in, folks. It means summery, sheer, lots of linen, maybe some floppy hats, blazers, contrasting slacks and open collars for the guys (because you know Barack likes open collars).
Also–and this is very important–they’re not calling it a fundraiser anymore. Fundraiser is kind of crass, don’t you think? Sounds like they’re after money. And fundraiser is what Hillary Clinton is calling her event over at Magic Johnson’s house six days later. So, the Oprah-Obama event has become “a celebration.”
http://latimesblogs.latimes.co…..ost-9.html
Cliff Varnell @ 153
But, instead, Nixon just hit the delete button five or six times for a total of eighteen-and-a-half minutes. Freddy had nothing to worry about.
Umm, besides, that was a long time ago. It doesn’t count. :)
Elliott @ 154
Indeed, just as they have the last two pResidential elections. Maybe that is what Rove is getting a head start on?
Has anyone thought of putting together some sort of action response in order to register disgust at Melanie Morgan for calling John Soltz a “cockroach in need of neutralizing”?
-GSD
montag @ 161
Yeah. Like Chimpy’s DUI, or going AWOL from the Texas Air National Guard.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 155
What’s the moral difference between a lobbyist and those who are on the receiving end of the lobbyist’s funds?
the ones on the receiving end were elected to represent *all* of their constituent/clients?
One is an advocate, doing his/her job (maybe even legally) while representing only one entity, while the other is, as so succinctly labeled above, a “whore” who takes money to the detriment of those who do not, or cannot, pay?
GSD @ 163
More appropriately, register disgust at MSNBC and PBS for using such a genocide monger on their programming?
-GSD
GSD @ 163
For that matter, this same wingnut suggested that Bill Keller, an editor of the New York Times, be killed in a “gaschamber” for the crime of “treason” in 2006. Why is she still getting face time on tv?
I’m unable to side on my favorite. Between Freddy’s lobbby efforts or Rudy’s shady and very secretive business dealings.
GSD @ 163
Umm, perhaps one should get her home address (not for the purposes of outing her personal information, mind you), and making labels with that info which would then be affixed to Roach Motels which could then be mailed to her. ???
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 156
DING DING DING! We have a winner.
He’s been a GOP operative and DC insider since shortly after he got out of law school in 1967. He was named an assistant USA in 1969 under Nixon, then headed up Howard Baker’s 1972 Senate campaign and went to DC with him full-time after Baker’s win. He’s been a lobbyist since 1975, and a Senator when he wasn’t lobbying, with an acting career shoehorned into all of that to boot.
Oh, and his current (and much younger) wife’s a hardcore DC insider, too. If he were any more inside, he’d turn into a black hole.
montag @ 161
Erase, they didn’t have “delete” then! (:
I trust Kucinich, Edwards, and Gore. The others? Well…
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 167
KO named her WPITW last night for continuing to claim the Soltz can’t be political while in the reserves (once again pointing out that Lindsey Graham and at least one R representative are both in the active reserves).
Of course, he could have named her WPITW for her crack on Hardball at Naomi Wolf asking her (Naomi) if she wanted to live in a burqa.
Another OT: U.S.: No strings attached to new defense package for Israel
Or as Junya tells it:
“Ahm real sorry mah Israeli friends, but ah can’t let ya’ll have no strings. Deadeye says he needs ‘em all for me.”
Oklahoma kiddo @ 155
It is to be assumed that the lobbyist is an amoral snake, compomised by their choice of employment. An apparatchik in the machine of dehumanizing society just a little bit more.The recipient of the snake’s attention, the public official, likewise makes the decision to be compromised, in knowing violation of their oath of office and public trust. This produces a self-reinforcing feedback loop of corruption and government of the corporate, for the corporate, and by the corporate.
So, upon reflection, no moral difference. IMO.
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 167
Because there is nothing a right-winger can say that will cause the GOP/Media Complex to ban them from public life. Nothing.
Unless, of course, it’s to deliver honest and justified criticism of a prominent Republican.
GSD @ 163
I want these jokers investigated and convicted for the crime…it is a threat that needs to be treated seriously. I do not know the law like so many others here but surely this is a crime to threaten others and if some of their Repugbots actually does something, then surely they should be responsible.
Phoenix Woman @ 170
Hell he became an actor because some producers saw him during the H2Ogate hearings and thought he presented well on TV.
jayt @ 165
the ones on the receiving end were elected to represent *all* of their constituent/clients?
One is an advocate, doing his/her job (maybe even legally) while representing only one entity, while the other is, as so succinctly labeled above, a “whore” who takes money to the detriment of those who do not, or cannot, pay?
Actually I was referring to ‘moral difference’. It seems sometimes there is a difference between what is moral or ethical and what is legal. ;0)
Actually I was referring to ‘moral difference’. It seems sometimes there is a difference between what is moral or ethical and what is legal. ;0)
I don’t see anything inherently immoral in lobbying. Quite a lot of what is done at this site is, in fact, lobbying.
The subject of the lobbying, or the cause being espoused, however, could in some/many cases be subjectively considered immoral.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 179
Now that is a sad state of affairs when there is a difference between what is…
Moral
Ethical
Legal
burnspbesq @125
Yes, a lawyer representing a client as an advocate before an administrative or legislative body owes that body the same basic duties as the lawyer owes a court.
No disagreement.
But if I’ve got a lobbyist hat on and am not purporting to be or in fact acting as a lawyer in my representation of some third party, I am not practicing law.
Once again, I’m required to be honest and avoid conflicts of interest, but I can promote my client’s lawful use of pestcides, for example, as vigorously as I’m able.
Besides, lots of what’s ethical for a lawyer to do is, ethics aside, is plain rotten.
Example: The lawyer who represents a hospital in a debt-collection effort against a single mother of 3, afflicted with cancer, working as a checkout clerk, unable to pay her hospital bill.
In this actual situatuation I witnessed many years ago, the lawyer, who was clearly within the bounds of ethics and law, drove the woman to despair and basically ruined what was left of her life. All to help the hospital collect a few hundred dollars.
Fred Thompson may be an ethical lawyer.
He also may be sleazy, either as a practicing lawyer (which I’m not positing) or as a lobbyist (which I’ll leave to others).
Oklahoma kiddo @ 172
I’ve been trying to keep up on the Edwards material available on C-SPAN, and he impresses me more and more.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 155
IIRC, and I may not because gov’t class was a LONG time ago, but wasn’t the original intention of lobbying to give a voice to individuals, or smaller groups of people, so that they could have a voice equal to that of say, a corporation? Greed has perverted the original good intention of so many things. . .
Ah Oh… kid alert… they do come home for lunch …maybe because there is always food ;)
BTW… do have a dog… Miss Tuesday my beagle buddy who sleeps with me at night and too short to dirty the counters (thank God)
from a TPM reader:
I noticed several similarities between Rudy Guiliani’s performance after the 9/11 attacks and Crandall Creek Mine owner Robert Murray’s performance after his mine caved in.
Rudy had the guts to go to Ground Zero and talk to the media while rescue workers dug through rubble in the background. Likewise, Murray had the guts to go right down into the bowels of his mine and talk to the media while rescue workers dug through rubble in the background. Both men came across as don’t-worry-everything’s-under-control-type guys. Both were very reassuring.
Here’s my question: If Guiliani’s performances in front of the media’s cameras and microphones following 9/11 were sufficient to qualify him to be our president, then didn’t Murray’s recent performances in front of the media’s cameras and microphones at least qualify him to be our vice-president?
How about a Guiliani/Murray ticket?
Just an idea.
Lest we forget that the Radio Hutu announcers and well as the genocidaires in Rwanda referred to Tutsi’s as “cockroaches”.
I am sick about how degraded this nation has become when a smug and arrogant jerk like Morgan can go on national TV and expect to get away with such vulgar behavior.
Good God, this makes Imus crap look like school games.
-GSD
Ed*ard Teller @ 183
He must be on to something because the right is really stepping up the attacks on him.
montag @ 161
IIRC, the cover story provided by the Nixon crew was that Nixon’s secretary, Rose Mary Woods, accidentally erased it. The media had a field day with that, showing on national TV the contorted position that Ms. Woods would have to have held in order to do that. Much media ridicule resulted.
Nowadays, the media response would be, “Oh, that explains it.”
Gawd. Go take a look at his website if you can stomach it:
http://www.imwithfred.com/
BTW, he looks a lot healthier on the website.
A lobbyist and an actor are just about the same thing?
I’ve spent 22 years in motion picture production. The great majority of actors I have met are decent, hard working people trying to make an honest living like anyone else.
Some of them may have seriously outsized egos, but they are not malicious criminals. You can’t say the same thing about lobbyists.
PW – Love the update on the post!
You go girl…
Phoenix Woman @ 151
Look around. This thread answers your question far more eloquently than I could hope to. In the public mind, lobbyist = scumbag. My view of whether that’s an appropriate equation is utterly irrelevant. That’s political reality.
NPR did a hit piece on Fred Thompson a while ago, airing some very dirty lobbying laundry. It was a damning indictment. A damaging PR blow to Dead Fred, I thought.
Upon hearing the NPR piece, I wondered why the powers that be had called out the dogs to take down Fast Freddy like that. (NPR has been a very reliable mouthpiece for the Republican PR machine, since Republican operatives were given key positions there.)
Now it seems Fred is picking up a little steam. Has Rove signed on with him yet? Perhaps we’re talking about Thompson (in part) b/c we are wondering what Rove will be doing.
When Bush was first running for President, one of his themes was that we “know where he stands”. That sounds much like what Thompson is now trying to sell. It hasn’t worked out with Bush, as he stands pretty much wherever Cheney and Rove tell him to stand. It’s definately one reason to vote against Thompson.
Ed*ard Teller @ 186
That Murray guy is a caricaturists dream. Those eyes; pig, mole….
GSD @ 187
I’m surprised at Naomi Wolf. That’s twice she’s been up against that Botox-addled hag. I know she’s got a book coming out, but you think she’d go on Olbermann; she’s far too smart to be seen with that witch.
GSD @ 187
Agreed, GSD
Check out KO’s countdown site at MSNBC. MelMor has been WPITW twice this week–and KO did address the cockroach comment and invoke the Rwandan genocide parallel.
BTW, FYI, and because it was an issue at the very tail end of LateLate last nite: KO’s daily WPITW and a couple of key stories/discussions go up on the Countdown site that evening sometime between 6 and 7pm PDT. It’s not the whole show, but some important stuff is available without waiting for re-broadcasts or for another blog to post the vid. It’s all the KO I get, but better than none at all, and I can get it when I want…
Best,
FunnyD
Balrog @ 133
red carnation next time!
Carl from L.A. @ 191
Hold it folks. My wife was, for ten years, a lobbyist for Domestic violence and Child Abuse.
Malicious she aint. Vile she aint. Amoral she aint. So please use a little thought before going off like blowhard rightwingers.
LS @ 190
“David Broder Impressed with Fred
Posted: Thu. 16 Aug 2007″
Sweet Jesus, take me now.
This was news to me, from Shadowstalker:
Dwight Eisenhower: “Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are H. L. Hunt (you possibly know his background), a few other Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or business man from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid.”
Hey, LooHoo!
How’s by you?
And where d’ya think everyone went just now? No new threadage yet…I keep checking.
I hate catching up with comments when the discussion peters out…
FunnyD
Oops.
I meant, I hate catching up with comments, and then having the discussion slow way waaaaay down.
FD
My Roofer just showed up on a Saturday to fix a few shingles on the ridge line that came loose in the storm Thursday night.
Wow… I called that night and left a message on their recorder, they called me back at 8:30 am on Friday and said a crew would be out to fix it.
Nice to know that there are good responsible companies out there.
katymine @ 205
Very good to know! Glad you got reminded from a good experience, katymine!
FunnyD
Fred Thompson’s Manhattan DA Arthur Branch on “Law & Order” isn’t very convincing. How did he elected Manhattan DA in the first place? The character is supposed to have migrated to NYC from Atlanta, IIRC.
Fresh Thready Goodness
come out, come out, wherever you are!!!!
Loo Hoo. @ 202
It would be great if Ike’s words came true for the Republics, who are today a party that matches the party Ike described long ago in that quote.
nomolos @ 200
I apologize for painting with too broad a brush at #175; I salute all who work to help others. My references are intended toward those lobbyists for big, rich, predatory organizations who are working against the welfare of the people. Again, I apologize to you and your wife, as well as all who may have been wrongly included in an overly broad generalization.
Accepted?
RonD @ 210
But of course. Sorry I sounded so piss*d
Cool. See you upstairs.
burnspbesq @ 193
Once again, you’re focusing on the irrelevant. Thompson has been dishonest about whom he’s represented, and run from the fact that he even was a lobbyist. What’s more, Thompson made a very good living representing clients who aren’t too interested in the welfare of anyone in this country save themselves.
It isn’t that we think all lobbyists are scumbags. We think that people who spend their lives as lobbyists and then try to act like it never happened and they are no such thing are scumbags.
Thompson’s a phony. By any reasonable measure, I think he’s as phony as they come.
Lost in this debate is one salient fact: Fred Thompson is a Republican of long standing who is, at this moment, contemplating running a status quo campaign immediately after eight years of rule (meant in a regal sense) by the worst President and Vice-President, individually and combined, in the country’s history.
Not only does this wrinkled piece of fried pork rind have no real talent at anything (including acting), he’s been unable, to date, to articulate a single policy statement that makes any logical sense. Virtually everything that comes out of his mouth is some sort of vague approximation, grammatically, intellectually and conceptually, and this is the knight on a white horse who’s going preserve the White House for Republican rule in 2008?
BRING HIM ON.
M’self, I think that’s the dominant meme, here.
nomolos @ 211
Group Hug! I love FDL!
FunnyDiva
Well there’s an interesting idea… the “ethical lobbyist”
Excuse me if I take a moment to drown that little meme in the bathtub…
“lobbying doesn’t have to be a dishonorable profession”
Actually it pretty much does, because it is based on political voice being associated with the existence of resources to support a position.
The entire lobbying system is ethically corrupt to the core, and EVERYONE who engages in it is autosliming themselves… including ME when I did it on behalf of my humble nonprofit organization.
But nothing I did in calling and talking to a Congressional aide remotely compares to the inherent corruption of highly paid professionals devoting their time to bending the minds of representatives in favor of their favored interests.
What politicians should do is listen to every voice equally, regardless of how much money is behind that voice.
The lobbying system is DESIGNED to make sure that doesn’t happen. Lobbyists are committed to making sure that doesn’t happen.
Some will argue for legalistic/formalistic ethics, and say “as long as it is legal, it is ethical”, but I would hope that most of us have a deeper sense of political ethics than that.
Lobbying is corruption of one vote/ one voice / one person democracy. Ethical lobbying indeed! T’aint no such thing, and don’t tell me otherwise. Washington is an entire city committed to advancing the proposition that what goes on in DC is “normal”, “ethical” and “right.”
Anyone who stands just a little outside of it understands that it is an undemocratic and unethical den of thieves, with lobbyists for the various moneyed interests serving as its standing army, opposing each other on details but united in their belief in their own ethics and their own importance.
Harumph.
Balrog @ 133
Sorry to miss everyone. I thought the time was 5 pm, so stayed from then ’til 5:30. Only today did it occur to me that maybe correct time was 5:30 (such that leaving @ 5:30 was not a swift idea).
But I was feeling kinda weird sitting at the bar nursing a drink and looking over my shoulder for “strange” people. ;-)
Guess this means we’ll have to schedule again — with cell phone #’s next time.
Cliff Varnell @ 145:
It’s always a huge, ironic laugh to see the sign “George Bush Center for Intelligence.”
As if.
If being a Beltway insider is so bad why is everyone trying so hard to be one by running for public office? That concept falls deaf on my ears. Thompson is waiting as long as he can to get in the race so he does’nt have to talk about the occupation of Iraq, the failed Bush foriegn policies, and the healthcare plan he does’nt have or want to give. None of the other GOP candidates are talking about the important issues and it is making them look oh so bad and empty. Thompson is a weasel in the worst way.
Fred Thompson is nearly as an ideal candidate for Democrats to run against as Newt Gingrich. Not that smart, massive ego, sleazy contradictory background, lotsa soft spots, and a trailer-trash wife. Bring ‘im on!
Just like to mention that I was at the Iowa State Fair yesterday and saw Fred in person. He only rode the golf cart from the far end of the parking lot to the main concourse of the fair (about 3/4 mile). He then walked, briskly I might add, with Sen. Grassley from photo op to photo op.
Yes, he looked reallly frail. His skin looks paper-thin.
Jonathan @ 182
Again, thank you, Jonathan.
Finally an honest analysis about Fred Thompson instead of the crap that is being fed on the blogs by Fredheads who have their heads buried in the sand.
All the recent photos of Fred without his Law and Order makeup show a man that looks much older than 64 and his color looks like Tony Snow. How could anyone expect him to serve in such a rigorous job for four years. Bush may not have any brain function, but he keeps fit.
Just for fun: Russians do not use the term “black hole.” They use other terms such as “singularity.” It’s because in Russian “black hole” means as Jerry Pournelle put it, in his book Black Holes, “exactly what you think it means.”