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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/17/so-it-has-come-to-this/#comment-903741</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 05:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-902422&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;ccmask @ 101&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-902420&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Bob Schacht @ 100&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Right now on CSPAN– replay of Wednesday’s Ninth Circuit court of Appeals hearing on NSA Warrantless Wiretapping program.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bob in HI&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt; Saw that last night.  Great stuff.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Schroedinger’s Cat stuff –&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“What happens in a locked room stays in a locked room” are not words often heard by a judge in a courtroom.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-902422"><em>ccmask @ 101</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-902420"><em>Bob Schacht @ 100</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Right now on CSPAN– replay of Wednesday’s Ninth Circuit court of Appeals hearing on NSA Warrantless Wiretapping program.</p>
<p>Bob in HI</p>
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<p> Saw that last night.  Great stuff.</p>
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<p>Schroedinger’s Cat stuff –</p>
<p>“What happens in a locked room stays in a locked room” are not words often heard by a judge in a courtroom.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/17/so-it-has-come-to-this/#comment-903707</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 05:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-902361&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;BleuBlazes @ 47&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-902348&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Bustednuckles @ 36&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;You would think with that many violations, these deaths could be prosecuted under , at the very least, criminally negligent homicide.&lt;br /&gt;
Dealing with the safety committee here at work, we were inspected, had a few minor infractions and one they told us, if you don’t fix this and we see it again, will be labeled ‘willful intent’Ten thousand dollar fine minimum.&lt;br /&gt;
So I cannot see how it is going to be possible for this assclown to skate..&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sure he will! With KY Sen. Mitch McConnell in his pocket, who just happens to be married to our supposed Labor Secretary, Elaine Chao, whose department overseas the MSHA, how can he lose? [See link @ 21]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Workers are no more than commodities, our deaths viewed as collateral damage. I have never felt that I have been viewed with such contempt for just trying to make a living, as I have by this current administration.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Maybe this makes McConnell vulnerable in some way. Is he running for re-election in ‘08? Remember, Kentucky IS a coal-mining state and worker safety would rank very high as a campaign issue.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-902361"><em>BleuBlazes @ 47</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-902348"><em>Bustednuckles @ 36</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>You would think with that many violations, these deaths could be prosecuted under , at the very least, criminally negligent homicide.<br />
Dealing with the safety committee here at work, we were inspected, had a few minor infractions and one they told us, if you don’t fix this and we see it again, will be labeled ‘willful intent’Ten thousand dollar fine minimum.<br />
So I cannot see how it is going to be possible for this assclown to skate..</p>
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<p>Sure he will! With KY Sen. Mitch McConnell in his pocket, who just happens to be married to our supposed Labor Secretary, Elaine Chao, whose department overseas the MSHA, how can he lose? [See link @ 21]</p>
<p>Workers are no more than commodities, our deaths viewed as collateral damage. I have never felt that I have been viewed with such contempt for just trying to make a living, as I have by this current administration.</p>
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<p>Maybe this makes McConnell vulnerable in some way. Is he running for re-election in ‘08? Remember, Kentucky IS a coal-mining state and worker safety would rank very high as a campaign issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Delbert</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/17/so-it-has-come-to-this/#comment-903580</link>
		<dc:creator>Delbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 04:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-902316&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Ed*ard Teller @ 13&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Before Bushistas took over mining safety, the most dangerous jobs in the USA were:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;1	Logging workers&lt;br /&gt;
2	Aircraft pilots&lt;br /&gt;
3	Fishers and fishing workers&lt;br /&gt;
4	Structural iron and steel workers&lt;br /&gt;
5	Refuse and recyclable material collectors&lt;br /&gt;
6	Farmers and ranchers&lt;br /&gt;
7	Roofers&lt;br /&gt;
8	Electrical power line installers/repairers&lt;br /&gt;
9	Driver/sales workers and truck drivers&lt;br /&gt;
10	Taxi drivers and chauffeurs	&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m pretty sure that with the recent mining disasters, these rankings might be changing.  I’d sure like to see GOP Congressman become a more dangerous job.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Mr. Teller, would you consider  a personal exchange Email to Email? I am seeking your help with an important subject. You’re a clear headed thinker. I dont  know how else to do this. Thanks.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-902316"><em>Ed*ard Teller @ 13</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Before Bushistas took over mining safety, the most dangerous jobs in the USA were:</p>
<p>1	Logging workers<br />
2	Aircraft pilots<br />
3	Fishers and fishing workers<br />
4	Structural iron and steel workers<br />
5	Refuse and recyclable material collectors<br />
6	Farmers and ranchers<br />
7	Roofers<br />
8	Electrical power line installers/repairers<br />
9	Driver/sales workers and truck drivers<br />
10	Taxi drivers and chauffeurs	</p>
<p>I’m pretty sure that with the recent mining disasters, these rankings might be changing.  I’d sure like to see GOP Congressman become a more dangerous job.</p>
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<p>Mr. Teller, would you consider  a personal exchange Email to Email? I am seeking your help with an important subject. You’re a clear headed thinker. I dont  know how else to do this. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: The Oracle</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/17/so-it-has-come-to-this/#comment-903500</link>
		<dc:creator>The Oracle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 04:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;We have witnessed the rise of the conservative Robber Barons again (or at least the same greedy, corrupt, uncaring mentality).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Over one hundred years ago, conservative Robber Barons owned a whole of our country’s industry and resources, including coal mines.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;These conservative Robber Barons of the late 1800s vigorously and often viciously tried to crush any of their workers organizing for safer working conditions and better pay.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The conservative Republicans of today, and especially in the Bush administration, are the new Robber Barons, greedy, corrupt and uncaring…and extremely anti-union, anti-worker rights and anti-worker safety…with workers dying as a result, leaving behind grieving spouses and children.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And someone actually tried to attach the word “compassionate” to “conservative,” although recent events have proven that conservatives are completely devoid of any compassion…except for how much money they can stockpile in their bank accounts. Pathetic.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have witnessed the rise of the conservative Robber Barons again (or at least the same greedy, corrupt, uncaring mentality).</p>
<p>Over one hundred years ago, conservative Robber Barons owned a whole of our country’s industry and resources, including coal mines.</p>
<p>These conservative Robber Barons of the late 1800s vigorously and often viciously tried to crush any of their workers organizing for safer working conditions and better pay.</p>
<p>The conservative Republicans of today, and especially in the Bush administration, are the new Robber Barons, greedy, corrupt and uncaring…and extremely anti-union, anti-worker rights and anti-worker safety…with workers dying as a result, leaving behind grieving spouses and children.</p>
<p>And someone actually tried to attach the word “compassionate” to “conservative,” although recent events have proven that conservatives are completely devoid of any compassion…except for how much money they can stockpile in their bank accounts. Pathetic.</p>
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		<title>By: Funnydiva2002</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/17/so-it-has-come-to-this/#comment-902583</link>
		<dc:creator>Funnydiva2002</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 21:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-902575&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;BleuBlazes @ 121&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-902523&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;randiego @ 116&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;anybody still here? Shout-out to this post on the main page at Huff Post! Above the fold!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/&quot;&gt;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks, I just did. This is the first time I’ve ever commented on the blogs. But this a subject near and dear, both of my grandfathers were Kentucky coal miners. Though many years and miles removed, hearts are heavy when we hear of trapped miners.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Welcome, BleuBlazes!&lt;br /&gt;
Do come join us upstairs.  Always happy to add another former lurker to the merry band.&lt;br /&gt;
FunnyDiva&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-902575"><em>BleuBlazes @ 121</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-902523"><em>randiego @ 116</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>anybody still here? Shout-out to this post on the main page at Huff Post! Above the fold!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/</a></p>
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<p>Thanks, I just did. This is the first time I’ve ever commented on the blogs. But this a subject near and dear, both of my grandfathers were Kentucky coal miners. Though many years and miles removed, hearts are heavy when we hear of trapped miners.</p>
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<p>Welcome, BleuBlazes!<br />
Do come join us upstairs.  Always happy to add another former lurker to the merry band.<br />
FunnyDiva</p>
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		<title>By: fdl reader</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/17/so-it-has-come-to-this/#comment-902576</link>
		<dc:creator>fdl reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 20:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-902491&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;twolf1 @ 115&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-902477&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Michael Ryle @ 114&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Isn’t it about time for Bush to fly out to Utah and tell “Sticky” he’s doing a hell of a job?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Orrin Hatch basically said just that on CNN.  Then he gave the “Let’s face it, coal mining is dangerous.”  Now he’s talking about the unexpected seismic events and how nobody ever expected it because it hasn’t happened before…&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Unbelievable.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We really are learning that these people don’t even think these things through, let alone try to educate themselves, before opening their mouths.  Completely irresponsible and not acceptable in leadership.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;No wonder congress is such a mess.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-902491"><em>twolf1 @ 115</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-902477"><em>Michael Ryle @ 114</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Isn’t it about time for Bush to fly out to Utah and tell “Sticky” he’s doing a hell of a job?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Orrin Hatch basically said just that on CNN.  Then he gave the “Let’s face it, coal mining is dangerous.”  Now he’s talking about the unexpected seismic events and how nobody ever expected it because it hasn’t happened before…</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Unbelievable.</p>
<p>We really are learning that these people don’t even think these things through, let alone try to educate themselves, before opening their mouths.  Completely irresponsible and not acceptable in leadership.</p>
<p>No wonder congress is such a mess.</p>
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		<title>By: BleuBlazes</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/17/so-it-has-come-to-this/#comment-902575</link>
		<dc:creator>BleuBlazes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 20:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-902523&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;randiego @ 116&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;anybody still here? Shout-out to this post on the main page at Huff Post! Above the fold!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/&quot;&gt;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks, I just did. This is the first time I’ve ever commented on the blogs. But this a subject near and dear, both of my grandfathers were Kentucky coal miners. Though many years and miles removed, hearts are heavy when we hear of trapped miners.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-902523"><em>randiego @ 116</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>anybody still here? Shout-out to this post on the main page at Huff Post! Above the fold!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/</a></p>
</blockquote>
<p>Thanks, I just did. This is the first time I’ve ever commented on the blogs. But this a subject near and dear, both of my grandfathers were Kentucky coal miners. Though many years and miles removed, hearts are heavy when we hear of trapped miners.</p>
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		<title>By: Bustednuckles</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/17/so-it-has-come-to-this/#comment-902566</link>
		<dc:creator>Bustednuckles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 20:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-902533&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;twolf1 @ 117&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Susan Collins tracker story on CNN now…&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Let me guess, they are playing bash the bloggers again.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-902533"><em>twolf1 @ 117</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Susan Collins tracker story on CNN now…</p>
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<p>Let me guess, they are playing bash the bloggers again.</p>
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		<title>By: randiego</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/17/so-it-has-come-to-this/#comment-902546</link>
		<dc:creator>randiego</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 20:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-902543&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;twolf1 @ 118&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;…also just on CNN.  Tom Delay on Hastert being a power player behind the scenes:   “You just feel like you could crawl up in his big bulky lap and ask him something.”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;ew.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-902543"><em>twolf1 @ 118</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>…also just on CNN.  Tom Delay on Hastert being a power player behind the scenes:   “You just feel like you could crawl up in his big bulky lap and ask him something.”</p>
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<p>ew.</p>
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		<title>By: twolf1</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/17/so-it-has-come-to-this/#comment-902543</link>
		<dc:creator>twolf1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 20:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;…also just on CNN.  Tom Delay on Hastert being a power player behind the scenes:   “You just feel like you could crawl up in his big bulky lap and ask him something.”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>…also just on CNN.  Tom Delay on Hastert being a power player behind the scenes:   “You just feel like you could crawl up in his big bulky lap and ask him something.”</p>
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