Well, jump up and slap the mule:
ABC News’ Rick Klein Reports: Former Sen. John Edwards on Friday fired the latest round in his ongoing verbal feud with Ann Coulter, calling her a “she-devil” at a public event before quickly adding that he shouldn’t engage in name-calling.
Ah, yes, those of you who grew up in the south will recognize this as a variant on the “bless her heart” feint, which allows one to say the most brutally honest and satisfying things with a certain measure of impunity. And it means that between the Edwards family and Ann Coulter, the gloves have completely come off.
Edwards, D-N.C., was railing against the right-wing media — including Fox News and Rush Limbaugh — when he reminded a crowd in Burlington, Iowa, that his wife stood up to Coulter in a public spat earlier this summer.
“We know these people. We know their game plan. They’re going to attack us personally,” Edwards said. “They attacked Elizabeth personally, because she stood up to that she-devil Ann Coulter. … I should not have name-called. But the truth is — forget the names — people like Ann Coulter, they engage in hateful language.”
This is more like it. Did you see that? It is the time-honored SCUD missile of southern acrimony. “Ann Coulter is a bottle-blond chihuahua on crank, but I shouldn’t call names, of course.”
It is the same conversational hinge upon which you can swing something like, “Bless his heart, but I believe he’s the only preacher in captivity who can eat peanuts through a fence” or “Why, she doesn’t have the sense that god gave a head of cabbage, bless her heart.”
I like seeing the Edwards team on the offensive. Especially against the flailing maniacs of far-right broadcasting. Coulter has crossed the line so many times, and yet so few people press back with any kind of insistence. And it’s precisely the, “Oh, ignore her maybe she’ll go away” behavior set that allows her to keep popping up on Good Morning America and The Today Show like herpes.
I guess that Coulter (and the big-money interests who control her) figured John and Elizabeth as easy marks, soft targets. But see, I’ve grown up around many, many southern people whose honeyed, gracious demeanor hid the internal steeliness of Spartans (especially with regards to threats and attacks toward their families). I think that Coulter’s decision to try and take on the whole Edwards family may well prove to have been a Grave Tactical Error.
Bless her heart.
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hehehhe nothing wounds deaper than a southern lady tearing into ya
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(In case you missed it the other night.)
Suzanne @ 8
;-) age and treachery, and all that
More of that. Perfect description of her.
There’s a reason Lou is fast. Lives depend on it!
wangdangdoodle @ 9
it don’t get no better than the Vaughan brothers!
It is such a southern thing.
Southern woman is seated next to a Northern woman at a dinner party. Southern woman asks “where ya’ll from?” Northern woman responds “I’m from where we do not end a sentence in a preposition.” Southern woman responds “Alright, then, where ya’ll from, bitch?”
Bless her heart indeed. The wench.
Rexy hits another one out of the park.
Bless. Her. Heart.
evening, all… (flops onto to sofa with laptop)
wangdangdoodle @ 12
as Jimi used to say: “aw, shucks!”
didja read the comments from the wingnuts on the original “slap the mule” link, defending Coulter and attacking the reporter for liberal bias??? scary stuff out there!! firedoglakers: the edwards family are, as joe biden famously said about alberto gonzalez, “the real deal.” Only this time it’s true.
It would be the most moving victory of my lifetime, if they won the White House. Help them…you’ll be glad you did.
Southern women – two words (and a movie too) Steel Magnolias
almost in single digits.
madmommy @ 14
:)
:)
:)
:O
I love how Edwards just says for Elizabeth to let ‘er rip no matter what. I stand with them both.
wangdangdoodle @ 12
lol
madmommy @ 14
I got that in an email recently describing women from Missouri. Guess we’re kindasorta southron, too.
{{{ John and Elizabeth }}}
Hey Coastie! Long day?
It is generally a very bad decision to fuck with southerners’ family members. We will cheerfully smile and be charming and gracious and hand you a piece of divinity fudge loaded with enough cyanide to kill an ox.
“Let me get you some coffee to go with that, dear.”
Fried green tomatos
LoudounLib @ 26
I think they will look just perfect standing on the WH steps waving to the Bush clan.
I am sitting here gathering strength to tackle the kitchen.
Aretha!
I wonder if the Edwards’ eat okra?
hello all, back from daddy duties.
Brief EPU from downstairs:
1) Am now producing all possible varieties of weather kibble. Will start slinging them as need approaches.
2) Thanks for the heads up on the coriolis thing. I read Rendevous With Rama too much…
3) Okra is Cthulhu’s favorite vegetable, because it is green, slimy and hairy all at the same time…
4) Hungarian Cucumber fine sliced with a japanese vinegar/dill dressing, chilled for an hour before serving after fresh cutting from the garden…priceless.
ccmask @ 29
Talk to me, baby!!
madmommy @ 14
Swear! I was just thinking of that joke.
ccmask @ 29
Oh gosh, I had forgotten that one. Great book (better than the movie imho)
althespook @ 34
You’re making me laugh.
wangdangdoodle @ 32
Girl!!
So basically Southerners have mastered the fine art of passive aggressive behavior.
Admirable talent, but I am not so gifted.
But at times there is nothing more appropriate, nothing more satisfying, than a full-on clue-by-four along side the offending subject’s ego, sans apology.
Ann Coulter is a gawdawful freak to which I point when I need a lesson for the benefit of my children in unacceptable quasi-human behavior. Do not ever act like this specimen or I will disown you for being subhuman white trash, I tell them.
No blessing required, because the creature has no heart to bless.
TRex @ 28
And to quote Julia Sugarbaker, we never hide our crazy relatives, we bring them right on into the parlor and show them off. Southerners never ask if you have crazy people in your family, they ask which side they are on.
Gnome de Plume @ 31
Feel ya, girl! Set the timer for 7 minutes and race it.
demi @ 36
I gotta remember that one y’all.
Suzanne @ 37
Ha! I thought we were talking recipes!
Great movie, too.
LS @ 38
that is the general idea. and notice the blood in the water around cheney all of a sudden. and the idea that Gillespie was ’shopping rove’ to congress. if that is true, then leahy and conyers and all the rest have something deadly or the wh would not do that. and given the boo hoo behavior at the presser, who in hell did the shopping authorization?
Inquiring minds want to know…
I’ve always been appreciative of the “w’all, ain’t that special…” routine, m’self.
madmommy, Designing Women was such a great show about southern women.
My stomach is still churning over the Melanie Morgan comments that Keith O gave her worst person in the world.
Talking about political adversaries as “cockroaches” to be “crushed” and “neutralized” puts her in the Rwandan Radio Hutu category.
This nation is just a swirling down into a cesspool.
-GSD
A late, great guitarist whom you’ve never heard of:
Danny Gatton
madmommy @ 41
Isn’t that the truth ! In my family we like to call them quaint – and we have loads of them.
This thread is making me remember Christmas time at our gatherings. It is like the North versus the South. Our side of the family are the Italians from New York and the other side are the folks from Georgia. Every year these ladies show up with their fancy casseroles and all kinds of crazy things they do with mandarin oranges & marshmallows. Our side brings the ziti, eggplants, stuffed artichokes and it is like the clash of civilizations; everybody always tries to outdo each other. Food is just great, both sides win every year.
Nuttin’ wrong wit’dat!!
Suz, EPU downstairs re: Cheney Qn
Loo Hoo. @ 33
I’m almost certain of it.
Can you imagine, though? Look at this from Elizabeth’s perspective. Years ago, you lost your first born in an accident and Ann Coulter who has no children of her own writes a column specifically to salt down that wound. Then she calls your husband a faggot. You, for your part, know that your days on earth could be painfully short and this right-wing attack dog keeps assaulting the dignity and sanctity of your family.
Don’t you think you’d feel a certain obligation to whoop up on someone who disrespected your family like that? Ann doesn’t understand what she unleashed in Elizabeth because the only thing in this world she loves is attention. Human empathy and emotions are beyond her ken.
If I were Elizabeth, I would have sewed her up in a bag of rocks and tossed her in the river already.
I’m guessing that criticism of Coulter, whether in the form of a subtle, Southern jab or a outright screamfest, would have little effect. Coulter, and many of her type, has had a shamectomy.
Suzanne @ 47
Yes, it’s true, and being a 4th generation southern gal I see family members in the characters every time I watch that show. Linda Bloodworth can write southern, ya’ll!
ccmask @ 52
a win win for everyone is what is sounds like – what great food.
madmommy @ 14
Hadn’t heard that one in a long time! Question for Ann – “Where y’all registered to vote from, slut?”
When Winston Churchill was dissed on the floor of Parliament for ending too many sentences in prepositions, he turned to the accuser, saying “That, sir, is an accusation, up with which I shall not put!”
“Mostly Martha” is a great foreign food film too. One of my favorites. Also “Soul Food”
GSD @ 48
No it isn’t! didn’t you see the comments above about how a dem booth was swamped and a rethug booth treated like a shit seller in summer at a faire in mid america? The RETHUGS are swilling down their own crappipes to their personal hells. America may just possibly be beginning to wake up.
I see a possible republican Yamamoto moment here…
madmommy @ 56
Word…
ccmask @ 52
In the south funerals are best – 103 different kinds of J*ll* molds.
althespook @ 45
Either they have something, or he’s off to work the “next” victim. The boohoo tells me it is the first, because if he was just going off to work more “magic”, he would have that little grin going. He didn’t.
TribeScribe, saw it – interesting question – who authorized Eddie G to go around congress shopping dumping rove?
LoudounLib @ 49
Like, wow.
Ed*ard Teller @ 58
And my favorite brit put down, “Well, I can see why YOU’D think that…”
I was thinking that all of these Cheney clips coming out in the news make him look very bad.
I mean he knew the deal going into Iraq and instead of selling the war on whatever merits, peace, democracy, yadda..can be argued they settled on the specious reasons instead.
Makes Dick look like a, well…..
-GSD
Twain @ 62
Read the Sweet Potato Queen books, there is a cookbook that has a whole section on funeral food.
What’s up with Jello being asterisked?
Twain @ 62
I hear you. Everytime I ask where did you get that noodle casserole recipe they tell me House & Gardens.
althespook @ 60
Well, I think it’s going to be a bit tough to get Republicans to embrace ritual seppuku. :)
Suzanne @ 57
I can do this really crazy thing with mandarin oranges, marshmallows, cottage cheese and a packet of orange jello. Got it out of a Junior League cookbook from San Marcos, TX.
madmommy @ 68
Wasn’t sure if it was considered a mod no-no or not – brand name.
GSD @ 67
lying b*st*rd. Correct. But I’m confused on something, I thought they were a youTube (which is now a verb, in case you were wondering and no, I’m not snarking) phenom only.
If the MSM is running those clips, we’re a lot further down the angler road than I thought we’d be, hell I thought we’d have to ditch AGAG first…
TRex @ 54
And if this were covered by the other media truthfully, Edwards would be a hero.
sorry, tribescribe, major brain fart confusing your comment with another.
Yes, I agree – popcorn time.
GSD @ 48
She sounded…unprepaired and without substance on Tweety…unintelligent.
montag @ 70
No, I was thinking along the lines of “awakening a sleeping giant that will destroy them all” kind of thing…
althespook @ 60
Meaning what, Al? Watching an overly complex strategy get blown out of the water by people who undertand the state of the art in electronics, being shot down over the jungle, or, or what?
LoudounLib @ 49
Mommy’s off to bed, it’s after midnight and the little darlings are early risers. Till the morrow!
Al, I didn’t see that story. What is it?
The Republicans have some serious problems…I mean all of the perverted sex crimes, the embezzlement….
Now they have begun dropping out of Washington in the dRoves.
I wonder if the sleeping giant is Larry Flynt’s dossier of skullduggery on behalf of all GOoPerdom?
-GSD
LS @ 76
She would not be on radio if her husband wasn’t in management.
LS @ 43
when i got here to texas, they told me:
“y’all” is for one of you
and
“all y’all” is the plural
i jes luvs saying “all y’all”. ’bout as much i luvs being called “darlin’”
althespook @ 77
In that case, the Democrats are going to have to start behaving like an awakening giant….
persiflage @ 55
I don’t think Ann has any grasp of shame, except, shame on you tactics…!!!
Technicolouryawn @ 79
He was a local boy, from over in southern MD. Sad loss when he left us :-(
Ed*ard Teller @ 78
awakening a sleeping giant, sorry, thinking faster than I can type. and yeah, the japanese had lost that war before it started, hadn’t they in so many ways…pity all those folks had to die to prove it to them…
How any serious, I mean that, any serious news person can consider Melanie Moragan. I mean she is David Duke with collagen…err, more collagen.
-GSD
madmommy @ 80
night mm.
montag @ 84
no the voting electorate will do it. if things get bad enough, and I’m thinking they might, the democrats may find themselves with so much political power they won’t know what to do with it.
And that may be almost as dangerous to them as the current situation…
my extra 30 minutes are up, and now I turn into a pumpkin..good night all!
Speaking of awakening the sleeping giant – now I get it, Al (except the GOP has run amok for 13 years, not six months) – watching Diane Benson address our local Matanuska-Susitna Borough Democrats tonight was along those lines. This Tlingit woman may be the greatest regenerating force in progressive politics in recent Alaska history. After a slow start, she warmed the crowd right up, taking all the questions home, getting a lot of donations and volunteers.
g’nite LL and any other sleep pup leaving (fresh towels by the exits)
GSD @ 81
need to know which story you’re referencing GSD. So many scandals, so few prosecutors…
LoudounLib @ 49
Well, actually, I have.
But Lenny Breau got to me first.
;>)
ACLU Press Release, 8/17/2007: In Unprecedented Order, FISA Court Requires Bush Administration to Respond to ACLU’s Request That Secret Court Orders Be Released to the Public
I knew there’d been a request, but this is an Order. H/T Slashdot, of all places.
Ed*ard Teller @ 92
Please explain Tlingit. Thanks
Wangdangdoodle – I think that recipe is supposed to have orange sherbet in it, too.
LoudounLib @ 91
night LDL!
Rayne @ 40
dayum Rayne, tell it!
luv the clueX4…just heard that again the other day.
PA can be effective to a point, that is, if you don’t mind fakin’ it.
I’m a bit of a chimera (half Yank half Suthuna).
very versatile *g*
and FWIW, both sides say never go against the family…and to that end,
I’ve learned to think long and hard about who I consider family…
Hey, I’ve known some bottle blond chihuahuas on crank. Back in the day. I’d take a hundred of ‘em over Ms. Neurosis-on-a-Stick.
Al, the story about a fair and people thronging the Demo’s and scorning the Repubby’s.
What is that about and where?
Speaking of political collapse, all of Alaska’s congressional delegation is sunk up to their teats in scandal.
Ernie Fletcher is set to lose Kentucky in a bad way.
The Republican Party is bleeding out all of their top tier with retirements too.
-GSD
anwaya @ 96
perhaps this was the friday nite news dump -
anwaya @ 96
Unfortunately, this is not an order compelling production of the documents. It’s just an order requiring them to respond. Their response will likely be one of their boilerplate denials, with a few bullshit excuses and reiterations of state secrets privilege thrown in.
persiflage @ 55
Ah, but that part isn’t really meant for her. She’s a cowardly bully, so the part that’s aimed directly at her is that these are people who aren’t going to back down or be intimidated by her bullying.
The shame is aimed at people who dare to associate with her or support her. It says: “No, we’re not going to let you pretend she’s ‘just joking’ when she wishes for assassinations and terrorism. What she spews is going to stick to you unless you put a lot of distance between yourself and her.”
wangdangdoodle @ 42
I was going to say, Isn’t that what Saturday morning’s for, but then, you inspired me.
Ah, and it’s much better now. Will be better in the am for coffee making too.
anwaya @ 96
And this is the FISA court, one of the few that BushCo dare not blow off. Given some recent revelations about them putting on the brakes to the illegal spying stuff (which turns out to be why the forced the FISA revision act through congress, bless our cowardly little democratic leadership and blue dog’s hearts…in the finest southern tradition (grew up in dallas, so i can claim membership, barely)) this should be popcorn time indeed…
madmommy @ 68
And don’t forget the tiara :)
demi @ 106
Yeah, a clean kitchen on a Saturday morning is a nice thing to wake up to. I think I am ready. See ya in a bit.
nice touch, for Edwards, too.
not only to come out swinging (finally)
but to invoke the Devil part of She.
very clever that one.
especially given what is one everyone’s
minds these days –
Twain @ 97
The Tlingit People are a matrilineal society who developed a complex hunter-gatherer culture in the temperate rainforest of the southeast Alaska coast and the Alexander Archipelago. The Tlingit language is well known not only for its complex grammar and sound system but also for using certain phonemes which are not heard in almost any other language.
They were and are renowned warriors, seafarers and storytellers. They are among the most amazing Alaskans I’ve met.
althespook @ 94
Critical mass. Implosion due to weight.
We don’t know why Rove left, but you can be sure it wasn’t for the reasons he gave. He’s incapable of telling the truth even to the Repug base.
But now that Rove has gone, the pressure has lessened on others. They smell blood in the water, and they are looking to feed. The old school conservatives are starting to leak a lot of material that would have been shut down in the past, either by the Hammer or by Rove or by Cheney, and now only Cheney remains and they know he’s already been threatened (the Angler series was the not-so-veiled threat).
It will not be one scandal alone, it’s going to be a lot of them and they are going to make the scandals of past administrations look like trifles. Batten down the hatches.
I have to smile, reading this one. Southerners do indeed know how to tell someone to go to hell in such a manner as to make them happy to be on their way.
There’s a real talent to slicing and dicing someone with absolute grace and style.
Have y’all ever seen “Steel Magnolias”? That’s probably the closest I’ve ever seen a movie come to portraying real southern women. I recognize someone – usually SEVERAL someones – for every character in that movie.
She-Devil – wasn’t there a Roseanne Barr mini-series, Life and Loves of a She-Devil or something like that.
Gnome de Plume @ 98
Hmmmm, I don’t think so, maybe in the punch?
And g’nite Lou, thanks for the tunes.
GSD @ 88
*pop!*
GSD @ 102
previous thread, sorry: here’s the permalink.
Ed*ard Teller @ 111
Is that the language I have read about that people are trying to write so as to save it?
wangdangdoodle @ 71
Please don’t.
Yes, TRex, the Coultergeist, with her Yankee background, had no idea what she was up against with real Southerners.
It’s like the joke that goes “How do they say ‘f*** you in Nashville? ‘Bless yore heart!’”
Good nite all. Be back Sunday–going to Palm Beach to see my Army nephew-he’s on a 3 day leave (based in Georgia)
*note to self: pick up a pack of okra
demi @ 106
Then you will be here to “Pull Up a Chair”?
Alright, gang, that’s it for me. Time to read Harry Potter til I fall asleep. Good night.
See you Monday night.
Poor Frederick of Hollywood. Caught going to a shitkickin’ pic-nic in his Gucci loafers.
-GSD
Have a good weekend, TRex.
Loo Hoo. @ 119
lol….that is so damn funny.
I miss our Petrocelli.
I like Edwards- but giving Coulter the benefit of even the slightest aknowledgement of her existance is a loser..
Ignore the skinny bitch!!!
ccmask @ 126
Southerners love to put marshmallows IN everything they can find and put cheese ON everything else.
Redshift @ 105
Ah, too true. She could rant and rave and be outrageously obnoxious and nobody would care. It’s those who provide her with a platform and a megaphone who should be ashamed of themselves.
You know, one thing nobody has ever really tried is to ask that she-devil Coulter why she is an intimidator?
Who intimidated her as a child so badly?
And why does she think being a control freak to the point that she does not live like normal women is at all effective in overcoming her past feelings of intimidation?
Think about it, especially if you’ve read The Celestine Prophecy. Why does she feel she has to intimidate people, and why Elizabeth and John Edwards?
Are they every thing she will never be, everything she prevents herself from being?
So disgustingly pathetic.
So when is the August recess over? Sounds like things are about to get veddy interestink.
With all deference to those poor souls at the bottom of a Utah coal mine…
Someone said on another blog tonight:
Isn’t it almost time for Bush to show up in Utah and declare: “You’re doing a heckuva job Stickey.”
-GSD
The primary ingredient in Texas food is LARD. That’s why Clusterfuck bought hisself a PIG RANCH.
Ride em prez!!Oink Oink!
Rayne @ 131
I suspect meth.
GSD @ 81
I’m suspicious that Hastert has given it up before Flynt got on topic!!!
Twain @ 129
And there was ecstasy from Pensacola to Pascagoula, from Anniston to Baton Rouge, when marshmallow creme and cheese in a can were invented. :)
Ask Ann Coulter to submit DNA to prove s/he is female.
If she balks, ask what s/he has to hide?
Should be do-able practically for a hobbyist – get a smidge of DNA from the green room and have it tested.
Not to mention there are 170 miners trapped in China as we write.
-GSD
P.S. Hurricane Dean is looking like a mean one and I am starting to get a little worried about Jamaica.
Loo Hoo. @ 136
Eeeeeewwwwwwwwwww!!!!!!
Brain bleach, STAT!
montag @ 136
LOL
I don’t believe that Annie is of any gender with which we are familiar.
Loo Hoo. @ 127
I agree, I’ve poked him a few times already…!!! :-(
Suzanne @ 114
I never saw the TV show but the book, by Faye Weldon was wicked.
Twain @ 118
Perhaps. One of several, if so. There are a couple of regular posters at Language Log researching/reporting on rare indiginous languages in that part of the world. “Carrier” is one, I think.
FunnyD
Is it blog whoring if it ain’t my blog?
ccmask @ 121
night ccmask. i was only kidding about cthulhu and okra, he hates the stuff. Brussels Sprouts, on the other hand…
GSD @ 139
Jamaica’s going to get hit, no way out. Check the NOAA.
:(
rwcole @ 141
I kinda think that puzzling over her gender is a biological red herring.
The real question is specie.
Twain @ 118
Although people have been transcribing Tlingit since the early 19th century, and dictionaries and such have existed a long time, efforts are being constantly made to preserve aspects of tribal culture. Tlingits are fortunate in that they are transiting from poverty toward relative affluence, and that tribal leaders recognize the value of cultural studies in keeping the tribe somewhat cohesive. Tlingits have one of the strongest clan structures of any existing and viable American aboriginal group.
Poor Anne, the icon of the family values and traditional living crowd and she’s all alone, no hubby, no kids.
The older she gets, the less useful she’ll be to the mouthbreather set.
-GSD
(putting on mod hat)
There is plenty to discuss about Ann Coulter without dragging her sexuality into the discussion. Please choose from among the many other objectionable things one can dis Ann with – but tranny jokes, jokes about whether she is male or female, etc., are not permitted. Thank you.
Funnydiva2002 @ 144
Thanks, ET.
LITTLE ROCK, Ark. – Thanks to one little misplaced word, it appears that people of any age can legally be married in Arkansas, with parental consent.
Lawmakers say a law passed this year would even allow infants to be married if their parents agree. And that may force the governor to call a special session to fix the mistake.
The bill’s sponsor says the legislation was intended to establish 18 as the minimum age to marry — but also let pregnant teenagers marry with parental consent.
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ET,
Governor Palin has been in long enough for you to get a feel…so to speak.
How is she doing?
-GSD
FunnyD – if it is not your blog, then it is blog pimping.
Of course not, that’s blog pimping.
I, for one, have NEVER puzzled about whether Annie is male of female.
GSD @ 150
You’re right. She’s in expired shelf life territory. If she weren’t toxic waste, the problem of how to deal with her wouldn’t be around much longer.
anwaya @ 96
HELLO!!!
Loo Hoo. @ 159
but only an order for a response, not full disclosure. yet.
Suzanne @ 155
Oh. Shite.
But for the Language Loggers, it’s worth it.
FunnyD
wangdangdoodle @ 156
but when the subject is Ann Coulter, you can get away with a lot of whoring and pimping and nobody will see it through the trash clutter.
If Annie were a quart of milk- she’d be cottage cheese.
Suzanne @ 155
Stupid me. Why is providing links to another blog, when relevant, considered to be a bad thing?
Suzanne @ 155
True, FunnyD, you’re not a whore, you’re a pimp…!!! (Ducking…) *g*
pimping and whoring are honorable professions as long as one practices good customer service.
wigwam @ 163
I don’t believe it is – it is just a linguistic distinction that has evolved – blog whoring is one thing; blog pimping is another thing; and no one said either was bad.
wigwam @ 164
Actually, I’m hoping the blog- ‘ho/pimp thing is tongue-in-cheek-ish. Therefore not a “bad thing” necessarily…
I could be wrong, though!
FunnyD
rwcole @ 165
Funny, I don’t ever recall either having a complaint department. :)
wangdangdoodle @ 122
Twain @ 129
I’m still a sucker for ambrosia. Coconut, marshmallows, mandarin oranges, maraschino cherries – heaven!
rwcole @ 166
erm, and good employee relations?
FunnyD
Suzanne @ 167
So, perhaps I’m a bit old fashioned. I’m told that at UCLA they have an annual “Pimps and Hos” dance, and it a major event of the social calendar. Whatever!
Complaint departments send letters sayin “sorry we fucked ya over- here’s a coupon for another go”.
g’night, pups!
Suzanne @ 167
One of our problems is that we, at the moment, are literally making up the blogosphere as we go along. The rules for print media observed by journalists dont’ fit very well, nor do the rules for personal verbal or email interaction. So at the moment i take it as locale driven. some blogs have a set of rules about postings referencing other blogs, some have no rules, and IIRC a few prohibit it entirely. Usually I have found “blogwhoring” and “blogpimping” to be used by the poster in a self-deprecating fashion.
CTuttle @ 165
D’oh! Thin ice again, Mr. CT, my good man!
Tchah!
FunnyDiva
Alicia @ 170
My very favorite that my grandmother used to make. Thanks for reminding me – I think I’ll make some this week.
In the south- tha pimps an whores put marshmallows on everything.
Redshift @ 175
night redshift!
rwcole @ 174
LOL!!!
Night Redshift, sleep well.
OMG – I just listened to this from the Onion
Gays too Precious
Twain @ 178
Ooooh! Send me some!
OK, beddy-byes for me!
Best of good nights to everypup. See all y’all in the morning (well, PDT morning…barely…)
SleepyDiva
Funnydiva2002 @ 185
Sleep well, Diva!!!
Funnydiva2002 @ 185
sleep well.
althespook @ 176
All in all, I’ve found such cross linking to be very helpful to me. And, I do it a lot here, particularly I’ve often found myself posting links to Marty Lederman’s stuff at balkin.blogspot.com. And, generally it was the best stuff available for the topic under discussion when I did that.
Occasionally, I’ve put together stuff that was too long and/or too typographically complex for FDL (e.g., no bullets). So I posted it at DailyKos and linked to it here.
These seem like reasonable things to do.
Funnydiva2002 @ 144
No, it’s more like writing the URL on the bathroom wall saying ” for a good time type…”
I better get going too if I’m going to make it back for breakfast.
good night and good listening
sleepy hybrid, with tortie blinking Zenfully…
nite pups and kittehs!
Interesting take on the Neocon Michael Ledeen from The Note:
http://www.thewashingtonnote.c…..002278.php
What is of importance is the buried tidbit “and they are increasingly offering defamatory comments about George W. Bush himself at their small dinner parties and neocon gatherings”.
Best of nights, WDD and TS.
Has anyone here ever called one of those numbers on the bathroom wall?
g’nite to all the sleepy pups leaving
Has anyone here ever known a person who put one of those numbers on the bathroom wall?
rwcole @ 194
no, but I felt we had hit the nadir for advertising when some cell phone hawker used the song about that in an advert, complete with phone number. Blech.
althespook @ 191
Ledeen’s just unhappy because Bush hasn’t nuked Syria and Iran yet. He gets dyspepsia if the U.S. doesn’t, in his words, “throw some shitty little country against the wall” often enough for his liking.
I always figured if ya called one of those numbers, you’d get J. Edgar Hoover on the other end–sweet talkin you.
sporkovat @ 138
But what if it came back as fecal bacterial? Could be contamination…but then again?
Why didn’t Clusterfuck invade Mexico- they have oil- and imagine how many codos and golf courses you could build around Baja.
Loo Hoo. @ 189
There is a new book series by Alan Dean Foster that attempts to extrapolate the net in a world fifty years from now without any major disruptions (WW 3, alien contact or invasion, ftl drive or teleportation development, etc.) And its theme is the “underculture” of such a world and how massive personal technology changes lifestyle. It is also a detective story and has the usual Foster ecological overtones, but it is an interesting read for anyone with tech savvy at the moment whose wondered where it might all lead…
I’m calling it an early one here, Aloha Oe!!!
rwcole @ 200
Don’t have to invade `em. Right-wing Mexican governments will be happy to give it all to us at bargain basement prices… that’s, uh, market efficiency….
montag @ 198
Agreed, but the “they” who are doing the dissing is written so as to imply without actually saying so that it includes Cheney. That’s what I find interesting, given the sudden MSM interest in dissing cheney again…
CTuttle @ 203
Night CT
They advertise property for sale here in Phoenix. Gated communities and retirement homes on the Gulf of Baja. They have “tours” that go down to do the high pressure sales every couple of months.
Hey, I just found a blog where Kucinich posts.
The commander in chief has yet to win a war- not even a teeny one!
Bush should study the world and find SOME little piss ant country who he could DEFEAT? What about the Vatican?
althespook @ 202
The first book is called “The Mocking Program”. Getting late here at casa del spook…
al, yeap, a lot of questions get answered with that one answer – “who”
Suzanne @ 212
I’m so tired I’m trying to remember where I said that. Take pity on a poor fat old ectoplasm and remind me.
althespook @ 204
Same thinking applies. Because it hasn’t happened, the people who can make it happen, and haven’t made it happen yet, are all targets. I think these fuckin’ mopes know that they’re back out in the wasteland in eighteen months, and if it doesn’t happen soon, they’re going to be waiting another ten or twelve years to get their jollies….
Call it pique. :)
althespook @ 192
Yeah. The often-used tool Steve Clemons loves to point out when others get pissed at being similarly used. OTOH, maybe he’s finally growing up.
maybe I don’t pay close enough attention, but in my mind Coulter is done. Edwards kicking her ashes has some merit, but it’s just ashes.
rwcole @ 209
No oil in the Vatican. A few oily characters, but, no oil.
Anything short of nuclear winter is considered capitulation to the Ledeen set.
-GSD
Ed*ard Teller @ 215
Yeah I’m no fan of Clemmons, but i’m watching for signs of cheney being thrown under the bus here. See, the way they have to sell this to the red meat crowd is that cheney is somehow dangerous or disloyal if they want to dump him. I’m waiting for the justification for that to show up.
Montag–true- but a win’s a win- even against a guy named Bennie.
Melanie Morgan was on Tweety this afternoon. I had the sound off, cause her voice is like nails on a chalkboard. They did a divided screen with the three talking heads and she was in the middle, Craig Crawford was on the left and a normal, pleasant woman, sorry but I didn’t catch her name was on the right. Morgan’s face at one point was just twisted with hatred. Honestly, it was like looking at a distorted Halloween mask. The other two faces looked normal, Craig was even smiling a little maybe because Morgan is such an idiot. I would think it would be hard not to just laugh out loud whenever she starts talking. She sure hates Jon Stolz. He whacks all her Iraq talking points off at the knees and it drives her into a blind fury. She should look at some tapes of herself, really. Not only does she come off like someone who needs a rabies shot, but carrying that much hate and rage around all the time has got to be bad for her health. I’m not all that worried about her soul cause I’m not sure she has one,
Iraq and Afhanistan are just out of Clusterfuck’s weight class- he needs to go after the flyweight belt.
rwcole @ 193
Never. And in college I used to always wonder why people did it, assuming nobody would call…
I’ve never understood graffiti, but the graffiti in Spain is wonderful!
rwcole @ 196
*sheepishly raises hand*
I’ve done it myself, when I was a kid. The number I’d use was to Dial-a-Joke. (You fellow oldies remember Dial-a-Joke, right?)
Iran is goin the wrong direction- Iran will beat Clusterfuck senseless and then rub his nose in pigshit. Be careful Clusterfuck- haven’t you been humiliated ENOUGH?
althespook @ 219
Surely spoken in jest…
Muzzy @ 216
I keep saying that, and she shows up again on major shows…
The graffiti in spain is in SPANISH!
Ed*ard Teller @ 226
no no not REAL justification, the justification that can be sold to the cheney red meat loyalists. even they have a breaking point, and i’m sure cheney crossed it long ago. the midnight raid on ashcroft proves that.
Love it!!
Great piece today, thanks.
althespook @ 218
Still, the hardcore neo-cons know that they’re not likely to get someone who’s as batshit insane as Cheney. They’d have to be stone crazy to think that Bush would appoint a Norman Podhoretz in Cheney’s place (for example), nor would someone more extreme than Cheney have much chance of getting past a Democrat-controlled committee.
Kinda sounds like nudging, to me. Giving the WH a jab in the ribs and whispering to them, “you’d better do something damned soon.”
newtonusr @ 227
reminds me of Al Haig.
rwcole @ 228
And in Greece it is in Greek…. boy do they have graffiti
When they do not understand something, they say…”Its Chinese to me” ….
Clusterfuck’s got just 16 months to win a war- any war.
As some wag said years ago:
“If yer gonna be the wartime president- then you’d damn well better win the war”.
“chinese to me”
LOL
Nothing hurts like a financial hit to the pocketbook. I bet the justification is gonna be the financial mess – which is a “safe” issue – the bursting housing market is just the tip of the iceberg.
montag @ 231
but the objective here isn’t to replace the man with anybody, it is to get rid of him before he brings the whole house of cards down on chimpy and his family. Cheney isn’t tied to them he has other lines of power, many of whom would be perfectly happy to throw the entire bush family including retainers to the wolves just for revenge and plunder.
My take on angler has essentially been proven correct, i was just a bit unsubtle in expressing it and in how it would play out. to me, we are watching a deadly game in washington right now over war with iran and whether both bush and cheney are forced to resign (they will not stick around for certain impeachment and conviction any more than nixon did). in either case, they may will do our country great damage on the way out the door.
In the White House- the graffitti’s in gooper.
“For an improving time- call—-”
Clemmon’s big thing was his aversion to Bolton. Boy he sure did not like Bolton and was on his case daily.
Suzanne @ 236
good point suz, and I remembered about “who” and you’re absolutely right. My guess is James Baker but it could have been Fred Fielding or even Andy Card. We shall probably find out fairly soon, the rats are just jumping off too fast to hide much any more…
rwcole @ 237
“Privatize me, big boy….”
Muzzy @ 232
And we’ll all be treated to the return of the disgraced Ed Rollins for the networks ‘08 punditocracy. We just don’t seem to be able to shoo them away…
Al,
A friend is in a senior post at KBR. I remember back in early 2001, after the coup that brought us this nightmare, he was describing how inspirational Cheney had been at a couple speeches my friend had seen Cheney give to Halliburton executives in Houston and Denver. This friend isn’t a total wingnut, just a default one. He stayed with the Cheney/Bush myth until just after the 2006 election. He abandoned Bush first. I got an e-mail from him recently that said he’d given up on Cheney for not condemning Libby’s selling out a CIA agent, and for continuing to push for the Iran war.
newtonusr @ 242
New CNN Commentator for LGBT issues: Former Congressman Mark Foley!
rwcole @ 227
But it is true art. Many hours are spent on it, and anything but the best appears to be cleaned up, pronto. No billboards in Spain either. Beautiful. Madrid is the greenest city in all of Europe. Landscape planned out beautifully.
Ed*ard Teller @ 243
That’s my earlier point. Even the hard-core wingnuts are starting to vomit up these bozos because they are just too poisonous. We may be on the verge of the first national political emesis in history. Hopefully the federal prisons can hold it all.
C&L has the melanie clip up from hardball. I’m not seeing the KO clip yet with that guy from the Nation – the same guy that Moyers had on with that Fnamed republican guy – bad with names tonight – about impeachment.
Loo-
Didn’t order any graffitti- but the ham was delicious.
Suzanne @ 246
John Nichols and Bruce Fein.
I’m heading for the showers. Kitchen is done. Plants are readied for potting in the AM. All this southern food talk is making me sick. I hate Jello and okra and banana pudding and fried anything. Instead we should do a comment string on Marshmallow Fluff. Now there’s some good eatin’
thanks, montag – missed that ko segment both times – first due to a call and second due to being backstage here.
wangdangdoodle @ 22
Why isn’t AC in jail yet? Isn’t there even ONE honest prosecutor in Florida?
Gnome de Plume @ 251
good night GDP. we will do southwestern tomorrow, much lighter and spicier!
Good Marshmallow, Gnome.
rw – no racist comments
demi @ 36
What joke?
Haw haw haw LOL
althespook @ 246
Up here in Alaska, I keep wondering how we’re going to have to deal with renaming all the public infrastructure named after Ted Stevens. How many states do that – name public structures after living politicians? I always thought that sort of stuff was bad luck. It appears that idea may be correct.
Suzanne,
The redheaded impeachment guy, yeah. He has written two books on Cheney and wasn’t buying any of Keith’s “Did Cheney’s heart surgery make him a sociopath?’ theory. His take on it is that Cheney has always been a sociopath.
althespook @ 254
And not nearly so heavy on marshmallows…. :)
In Iraklion Crete, the Venetian Fort has inner and outer walls to guard the city which was built in the 1600’s. In that area between the walls – the moat the modern city has built parks, playgrounds, cinemas, theaters and soccer stadiums.
So amazing that they have turned a thing of war into something of peace. We walked the whole length of the wall from one side of the harbor to the other. A lovely walk where I might have seen my first and only homeless person sleeping under a grove a trees. But it was siesta time so who knows, he might of been the caretaker taking a nap.
Suzanne-
What rascist comments- that was reporting.
Ed*ard Teller @ 259
I believe there is an actual law that a living person cannot appear on us currency. for the indian head penny, they used three subjects and combined features from all of them to create a synthetic relief.
So just imagine the fun if all our current currency had GWB on it. Talk about filthy lucre…
rwcole @ 225
what’s exactly humiliating? we’re making excellent progress in iraq. and the whitehouse will write the report claiming that. another case of lame shame genes.
rwcole, it was a comment that could be construed as racist and was not reporting. It was pulled.
Marretta @ 258
That was John Nichols from The Nation.
Suzanne–OK- but it was a verbatim report of graffitti I saw last weekend in a construction site shitter- I thought it a good statement of race relations in the industry.
Actually, I thought that rwcole was pointing out someone else’s racism in a small version of fighting something by shining light on it. So I guess I took it as anti-racist. But in any case, it was indeed reporting something he had seen, rather than a comment he himself wrote.
goodnight
night.
I understand rw, but you know how these right wing-nuts are trolling for a reason to jump on the lake. Now, if you had a link to that, then there would not be a problem because of the verification that it was just reporting (ie to a story or to a photo).
Katymine at 266,
John Nichols. I love his way with words. I really should read his books. I should put them on my list. His opinion of Dick is right in line with mine. Mine is mostly instinct. I imagine his is based on research.
Is CNN growing a conscience or something?
http://www.americablog.com/200…..e-cry.html
Big writeup at AmericanBLOG about C Amanpour doing a hit job and a justifiable one on a pseudo-christian hate monger who’s taking the culture war meme to its logical extrememe and selling concert tickets and books on it.
Odd that this is on CNN at the moment…
Suzanne- I understand- unfortunately there is no link to the shitter.
rwcole @ 274
crap
rwcole @ 275
this is not a trivial issue, rwc. if the bushies are fomenting racial hatred in the workplace we need to know it. if you have a camera and can get a photo, I can find a blog for you to post it on. If you are on facebook contact me there. otherwise do it here and we can use offlake email.
And suzanne is having to carry double water for us in protecting us from not only the wingnuts but the msm. my blog is being scanned daily by staffers for fox and cnn. I am NOT happy with that.
al
Have you ever worked at a construction site?
This isn’t racial hatred- it’s light hearted banter- back and forth.
Blue collar guys face racial relations head on.
rwcole @ 278
oh. worked at a steel foundry as a kid but we were all wasps then (1958).
althespook,
Well, you know if those scanning the site looking for things to use against us don’t find anything they will just make it up. I would much prefer them to be forced to do that. The mods here do an amazing job keeping things civil. Suzanne, you are the best.
marretta – its not just me backstage – there is a whole mod squad of people volunteering their time to keep the lake running. on behalf of the mod squad, thank you.
katymine @ 233
In spanish, the translated phrase is “It’s german to me.”
Suzanne @ 281
btw if the volunteers don’t have to be onsite and you ever need one to fill in, let me know, I think i could probably do it.
Waves hi again. The good news is the headache is gone. The bad news is I’m not asleep.
TJ @ 283
Yeah! Ut oh.
I mostly lurk, as I find I rarely may add anything different to what these fine minds here say. But at this point I can definitely add; the debate and exchange here at FDL is amazing, and a compliment to civil disourse, rather than the splintering efffects I find elsewhere.
Keep up the good work!
Suzanne,
I know you aren’t alone behind the curtain, you’re just the one that peeks out a lot on late night. And on dial up if I remember correctly. I admire your dedication.
TJ @ 284
We could all start posting pictures of our last vacation…that usually works for me with company.
I have no established credentials at this blog of course, but I’ve substantial Wordpress, unix & other programming/computer knowledge. If I can help, I’d be happy to.
However, at the moment, it’s curtains for me. See all y’all later…
PB (peanut butter) @ 289
night pb. dream of jelly….
TJ,
I’m glad the headache is gone, bummer that you can’t sleep.
Marretta @ 285
There’s something about Suzanne’s style that makes me feel she takes care of us. I don’t get this as much from other mods.
Dream of jelly… too much! At least I’m sitting here with a big smile!
TJ @ 293
if bedlam can dream of rain, i’m quite sure peanut butter can dream of jelly. it’s a lake tradition.
(The smile was an intentional side effect.)
althespook @ 292
Now that’s a quote!
I’m one of the few mods here that are “out” as a mod. Most prefer to be undercover – there is The Lurking Mod, The Stealth Mod and many others.
I started out as a Late Nite commenter, just like ya’ll. When I got asked to be a moderator, I gotta tell ya, my jaw was on the floor for a good ten minutes and I was hyperventilating. I walk a fine line between commentor and mod and you guys make it easy for me to do so.
Of course I take care of the commenters – as do the other Mods – but because they are undercover, it is not as noticable. Jane has created a wonder place here and I just try to do things as Jane would want them done.
newtonusr @ 295
By accident, but I believe it is. I hereby place it in the pubic domain.
Dwight Eisenhower: “Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are H. L. Hunt (you possibly know his background), a few other Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or business man from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid.”
Boy, did he have it right. And on that note, g’nite, friends. Have the kind of weekend I’m really too old to have anymore!
Goodnight, shadowstalker.
Hey Al, can you explain bedlam dreaming of rain? I’m lost on that one.
g’nite shadow… i’m about out of here too. gotta do some spiffying up in case of any showings this weekend.
althespook @ 295
I’ll be selling that phrase on t-shirts @ y3kos in the lobby…
Name your cut.
Shadowstalker @ 297
Then again, Ronald Reagan hadn’t started his run for public office at that time. The “splinter group” seemed to multiply like fruit flies once 1980 came around….
tj, that is the quote from a song at the top of each post – up in the blue of the logo
Shadowstalker @ 298
will do. sleep well. and that may become the epitaph of the republican party. Particularly the stoopid part.
TJ @ 299
A song from bad religion. google the phrase and it’ll come right up. (we need a blurb explaining this, along with the facebook thingie..)
Suzanne @ 301
Well I’ll be darned!
newtonusr @ 301
Nah, my granddaughter is a spendthrift already. give my share to the netroots action people, ActBlue is it? Give me name credit tho, if you don’t mind. :)
Suzanne @ 300
luck on the showings! i’m sensing something will break sunday or monday on the cheney/rove thing. we’ll see…
unconventional conventionist @ 284
from unconventional conventionist’s blog, the words of Bill Moyers on Rove’s legacy:
“…Karl Rove figured out a long time ago that the way to take an intellectually incurious draft-averse naughty playboy in a flight jacket with chewing tobacco in his back pocket and make him governor of Texas, was to sell him as God’s anointed in a state where preachers and televangelists outnumber even oil derricks and jack rabbits. Using church pews as precincts Rove turned religion into a weapon of political combat — a battering ram, aimed at the devil’s minions, especially at gay people.
It’s so easy, as Karl knew, to scapegoat people you outnumber, and if God is love, as rumor has it, Rove knew that, in politics, you better bet on fear and loathing. Never mind that in stroking the basest bigotry of true believers you coarsen both politics and religion. At the same time he was recruiting an army of the lord for the born-again Bush, Rove was also shaking down corporations for campaign cash. Crony capitalism became a biblical injunction.
Greed and God won four elections in a row – twice in the lone star state and twice again in the nation at large. But the result has been to leave Texas under the thumb of big money with huge holes ripped in its social contract, and the U.S. government in shambles – paralyzed, polarized, and mired in war, debt and corruption.”
welcome, uc…
from your lips to the universe’s ears on the cheney/rove thing.
Goodnight, sweet Suzanne.
Ed*ard Teller @ 309
dayam, ET, we got us a keeper. Blog URL please?
time for me to bail – g’nite all
Suzanne @ 313
night night
althespook @ 310
here
Al,
#284
TJ @ 308
Nice thought, but I think we’re going to have to depend on (hu)man to fix this mess. If Al’s information is right, there are going to be some consequences raining down. But, people in DC are going to have to do the jobs we gave them in order to follow through.
Ed*ard Teller @ 316
Thanks ET and newtonuser. I am in love, in love I tell you! Any blog that can feature a drink called Rove On The Rocks has my undying affection.
It is now safe in the arms of goooooogle reeeeeader and mine forevermore.
I agree, demi. I was hoping the universe would provide the nudge to get these people to act.
demi @ 317
Actually I was only moderately convinced that my informant’s scoop would mean much in the long run. But the fact that EG was “shopping rove” to congress and then rove bails indicates that SOMEBODY in congress or elsewhere had rove dead to rights. Remember, I was trained to read signals such as Rove and Bush were giving off at that presser. It was a fricking funeral for both of them and i think they knew it. dayam.
GSD @ 81
Thanks very much GSD – IIRC you’ve reminded us of this again a few nights ago. Flynt is a smart ole rascal and I can’t recall he has rarely let us down though the current tease has been especially delicious in light of his access to the DC Madman’s lists. I’m prepare to put some betting money on a straight Republican list on his roll call and waiting is such sweet agony. Hassert? Karl? Dick? Gen. Patraitor Cabinet heads? WH high ranking staff? Joe Liarman?
Come on Mr. Flynt – drop those names slowly and surely and ruin days and night throughout the Bush/Cheney whoring & incompetent minions sooner than later.
Give ‘em the spotlight drip drip drip day by day from this day forward – must be worth disgrace and resignations and wimpering and ducking and dodging. woo hoo!
Fellow lakers, the bush blowback has officially begun:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20290143/
dayam. it is about time…
EG?
Can you tell me more about your background, Al? On facebook if it’s too public here.
TJ @ 317
We are the universe, TJ. All of our thoughts, hopes, works, words and prayers.
It’s why I get uncomfortable here, sometimes, when it gets a little too angry.
I understand it, but it makes me uncomfortable.
Let’s give it up for truth and responsibility and Peace.
althespook @ 320
Crap, reading that article I just saw the side headline that Dean is on track for Cat 5.
demi @ 322
Remember, demi, that anger is often caused by depression. You have to treat the root of the problem to get rid of it.
TJ @ 323
Ed Gillespie, sorry.
Not much to tell. My dad is a graduate theologian (methodist) and my mom (now deceased) was a music teacher at North Texas (where my dad taught also due to an aversion to church politics); he is still alive at 91 and I care for him here at my son in law’s home in san antonio (he has alzheimers disease). I ended up working for the DOD as a civilian doing big iron and other stuff that is too classified to discuss. I am allowed to say that i worked a lot on the SIOP (the cookbook to destroy Russia and China and the Warsaw Pact if they ever launched on us, mutually assured destruction it was called then) and also on simulating how to reclaim the us from the dictators and nutjobs who would come out of the woodwork the minute the federal govt went down (yes we simulated that A LOT; the TV series Jericho on CBS is positively nostalgic to me, in a stupid sort of way). I retired in the late 1990’s and lost my wife in 2005 to a brain tumor and ended up here with my daughter and son in law in san antonio, slaving for a genius/whack job technical writer/god-level programmer who does DOD/Interpol contracting to catch bad guys on the net. I run the honeypot servers and our own server network and spend all my pay on my 9-year-old granddaughter’s Bratz collection and text messaging fees. Such is life.
TJ @ 324
Right. I’ve also heard that depression is anger, turned inward. But, I guess it comes out at some point. So, what is the root? The fraility of our humanity?
demi @ 326
I think feeling powerless is a big part of it. I read about a medical study and powerlessness that shocked me. I’ll look for the link.
althespook @ 302
Well, Ike couldn’t have been directly referring to Dubya…but perhaps George H.W. Bush was already involved in politics when IKE made these remarks about “Texas oil millionaires”?
And I wonder if H.L. Hunt or his clan was involved in the ascent of either?
TRex, Damn you! This is the kind of insight that forces me to continue returning to FDL.
I’m very sorry about your wife, Al. Both my husband and I have gone through weird but serious health things which we have recovered from. I feel like we got a second chance at life.
I used to be a systems engineer in the aerospace industry before I got my mba, so I have a residual interest in spooky things. But, as I said last night, I don’t think I’ll ever be a part of that world again since I’ve posted here.
Very powerful stuff here tonight. Powerlessness. I was just reading about someone becoming agoraphobic after some control-reducing event.
And, man, oh man, what this country has suffered because of a few people who need to strut what they consider to be power/control. My father passed away several weeks ago, and it’s been overwhelming to watch the changes in the dynamics of my family.
demi @ 328
fear. it all comes back to fear. Was that Adler or someone else, who worked out the fear anger hate suffering thing that lucas plaigarized for star wars? cause it is real psych, I studied it many many years ago…
Some people learn early on how to make others afraid. in a division of labor society, we aren’t allowed to immediately discipline them until they stop it, usually because the rulers of said society find their community of value and protect it. (for example, in our current nation we are learning the awful cost of high school bullying, e.g. Columbine et. al. I knew people in denver who lived near those kid’s families, and it was very clear that they knew how to game the system to keep their little darlings from getting the punishment (and help) they needed. The bullies made them afraid, but they pushed too far and the kids snapped and acted out. AFIAK, none of the named bullies who tormented them died that awful day (I lived in lakewood but one of my daughters teaches spanish and french in the jeffco system, and we had a very bad afternoon let me tell you).
Geroge W. Bush is a bully on the national scale. The same processes are at work. I just hope to Ghod we can avoid the chaos afterwards.
How to fix it? In the long run, we have to evolve beyond it. Study the curve of enlightenment for the AVERAGE person since 1700, and especially after 1945. Every generation is evolving into one that is more focussed on personal rights, freedoms, and dignity and empowerment. Socially, we will respond to this evolutionary progress with new and better mores, systems, memes and social archetypes.
It is cold comfort, but I think it is all we really have.
TJ @ 332
my “minder” went ballistic initially and so did my lawyer. they got over it. and the cluster fuck that is currently infesting all security related stuff may be such that your expertise will be needed regardless of importune things you’ve posted here. Necessity can be a mother.
cinnamonape @ 330
Don’t think so (grew up in dallas and had mom’s family in the oil biz) but am not sure. someone should check on this and get back to us (way too much on my plate to do it myself. wiki has good bush pages unless some wh goon has sanitized them…and THAT whole business (wiki vandalism) is just getting on the radar too…
OT…but does anyone know the down-road economic consequences of the Federal RESERVE and other State Banks reducing their interest rates and or releasing vast amounts of their Reserves to bail-out these banks who made bad loans or bought them?
I’d think that this is putting “unearned” billions into the economies to assist incompetant businessmen. That money has to come from some “PROductive” sector of the economy…either through taxes or via inflationary increases. Who, in the long run, is bailing out these financial “wizards” and the policymakers who allowed such deregulated exchanges of “notes”?
Communication and the internet is helping the empowerment.
I can’t find a link to the study I was reading, but it had to do with giving plants or fish to people in nursing homes. In some cases, the residents were told they were responsible for the plant or fish (forget which). In other cases, they were told the staff was responsible. The people who were told they had the responsibility had fewer problems and a lower mortality rate. When the experiment was over, they took the plant or fish away. The people that had been responsible for them started dying at a higher than average rate. When researchers saw this, the realized they had made the residents feel powerless. Fortunately, the had morals, and gave them back.
Al,
Interesting circle tonight. That quote of Bill Moyers a bit ago? Do you remember the PBS series Power of Myth with Moyers and Joe Campbell? Campbell and Lucas….to Star Wars…
I believe that Hope is stronger than Fear, but, yeah. In the darkness of the soul, it’s always 3 o’clock in the morning, or something like that.
TJ
Puts in mind of what we (mothers and fathers alike) with the empty-nest syndrome. Ya know?
althespook @ 333
I remember the good old days when I believed that there had to be WMDs because I knew what our intelligence community could do, and believed their reports wouldn’t be politicized.
demi @ 338
Wow, I never thought of it that way. I don’t have kids, so I miss some of those obvious things.
cinnamonape @ 337
IANAE, but i do know the basic theory due to having to include it in the simulations of restarting the financial system after a nuclear war.
What you might find useful is to study the M1 and M2 system. A lot of what is currently being done lies in that area, i think. If so, then we are essentially borrowing from the future by “adding money” and then when the loans are paid back, “removing money” from the system. So in a sense, no one is paying off the stupid lenders, because they don’t get anything like the profits they wanted, they merely get to survive (if that). The people who borrowed the money pay some or all of it back and it gets sucked out of the money supply as needed. However, given how long term this is, by the time that comes around the growth of the economy will have absorbed it and it will not even be a ripple.
Remember the Savings and Loan Bailout? Didn’t cause hyperinflation, didn’t affect the dollar on world currency markets. We grew over time and the excess was soaked up. Japan went through a similar crisis to the one we are having right now in the mid 1990’s due to hyperinflated real estate prices that, when someone actually needed to sell, weren’t actually sustainable. A number of big japanese trading companies and banks went broke on that; the government did what we are doing and the japanese economy never skipped a beat.
Money is an illusion. The people running the world financial markets have finally figured that out. What will be interesting is what they do with the knowledge over the long term. For example, if you push the concept to its logical limit, you get all sorts of loopy things to weird to mention here. Maybe i’ll do a ravings on them.
Al says George W. Bush is a bully on the national scale
I say George Bush is a bully on the galactic scale
Cinnamonape – I didn’t do well in my economics classes, but I have the instinctive feeling that it will result in the rich people getting bailed out by the poor people.
Okay, I missed a word in my last comment, I think I might be going down soon.
It’s so important for mothers especially to develop a sense of self-identity that is beyond being the care-taker, educator of her children, ’cause when that role goes away or is greatly diminished, she may loose her mind. Fortunately, I have my music and writing. Camping. Other stuff that I shared with the kids, but continues on without them.
demi @ 339
until you break through and see the limitless light that surrounds us all (and i’m not being religious or mystic here, I’m talking quantum mechanics.) Once you KNOW in whatever evolutionary process works for you, you never go back to the darkness. That, to me at least, is the ultimate power of evolution at work, the evolution of consciousness as a pure phenomenon (again, not new age, not mystic, pure quantum science. I can wax elephants on it when i’m less exhausted (staying up to compile a project, then crashing, not done yet…)
cinnamonape @ 329
Bunker Hunt was a pretty big Republican contributor, as was Herbert, as was Lamar, although not quite as much as his brothers. Bunker and Herbert were also pretty friendly with the Saudis, so I suspect there were some cross-connections there.
But, given the time period, I’d have to say that Eisenhower was likely talking about H.L. Hunt and Clint Murchison. They were both very right-wing (H.L. Hunt had funded two right-wing radio programs with wide distribution), and both were very active in Dallas-area right-wing organizations.
At the time, Bush was still trying to make his fortune. I doubt very seriously that Eisenhower was referring to GHWB. After all, Prescott Bush was Eisenhower’s favorite golf partner.
TJ @ 341
I wish it were that simple. Dean Rusk and the rest had their agendas too. Vietnam was a direct result of that shit, and north korea too. The intel pros (including me) gave em our best and they sent it right down the crapper cause they wanted to do something else. I hate the lot of em (can you tell?)
We’ll wax another time, Al. All best with your project.
Good night, TJ. It’s been real. Real nice. I’m smiling.
I’ve always wondered how we can reconcile that with the 2nd law of thermodynamics. I know hot things get cold. But despite that, we have evolved.
Hopefully I’m getting tired enough to try bed again too.
Good to be here when Al’s running on all 12 cylinders. Gotta say though, Al, your apologies for your spiritualesque comments above intrigue me more than the objective stuff you’re so awesome at presenting here.
althespook @ 334
Well the stuff with H.L> Hunt would have likely been back in the days when there was no FEC regulations regarding such Campign Contributions. But it’s pretty clear that G.H.W. Bush and his spawn had ties to RAY Hunt (son of H.L.), who became the principal stock-holder in, you guessed it, Halliburton, Inc.
And lots of people say that it would be obvious that HUNT Sr. would have been a covert supporter of Daddy Bush, simply because the Republican Party was so weak at the time in Texas and Bush was one of their few “Assets”.
http://www.halliburtonwatch.or…..tions.html
http://www.saudi-american-foru…..etter.html
montag @ 348
Murchison, that was the b*st*rd I couldn’t remember. Yeah, he was a real peach. IIRC, he owned one of the two newspapers that set up the climate of hate in dallas the time JFK was killed. Lovely man.
Remember how the hunts (or at least one of them) got burned trying to corner the silver markets? worked too, until the DOD called the SEC and said we won’t be able to afford to buy film for our intelligence cameras (U2 et al). The SEC arbitrarily changed the margin rules the next day and sic transit gloria argent for said Hunt. And the gay one built the world’s largest phallic symbol right across from where Kennedy was shot, the Reunion Plaza Tower.
Grossly off-topic (or maybe not):
The Olbermann piece from tonight about Shooter with John Nichols is up at the Bloggerman site and it is a doozy.
Just below “More From Countdown”, click “Cheney’s change of heart”.
Abide the candy bar ad…
G’night demi.
How naive I was, Al. I keeping thinking that people want to do the right thing instead of following their own agenda.
newtonusr @ 353
Not OT at all. It’s where I started with the thread I’ve been weaving. :)
Holy crap, is that what happened with the silver market?
Ed*ard Teller @ 352
I refuse to be trivialized by being assigned the “new age nutcase” label or equivalent. It happened a few times when I was young and foolish and not mean enough. Not recently. But because we have no major science in this area yet, perspectives like mine (based on simply personal awareness,nothing more) have nothing object to hang them on. And I most emphatically DON’T believe in magic, ESP, UFO’s beyond the usual military plane/weather phenom stuff or the rest of the fringe stuff.
but I know from both personal and professional experience that consciousness is neither an illusion (epiphenomenon) nor ephemeral (vanishing with somatic (body) death). I wish I could say more but they’d haul me away (or my daughter would…)
TJ @ 356
Most of them do, TJ! It’s the dayam bosses that don’t. They screw it up for the rest of us. I’m amazed we have kept as much as we have with these clowns running things. You think bush is an accident? he is the final end to a long long chain of failures at the federal level, brightened by occasional flashes of honesty and even competence, but far too few.
althespook @ 353
Yeah, Bunkie had a bug up his ass about Libya nationalizing one of his oil fields, and that was the scheme he cooked up with the Saudis to keep the dough coming in.
That was an unholy trinity, though–H.L., Murchison and Edwin Walker. Mix in militarism, huge amounts of money, and a reactionary philosophy that would have made Mussolini gasp, and then stir `em all up….
TJ @ 358
Yup. We were scared shitless, the satellites weren’t that reliable yet.
althespook @ 360
Computers didn’t get powerful enough to handle the end product until much, much later than that.
And someday I’d really like to have a discussion about consciousness with Al and ET.
TJ @ 363
you know it. remember the guys who could deal with the output, like wizards in the old days? Wasn’t one but knew a few. they could pull data out of that morass with frightening accuracy.
TJ @ 364
do a web search for quantum biology. we have just recently discoverd that both photosynthesis and smell biochemistry is based on non-standard behavior of living chemicals at the quantum level manipulating energy flows in ways previous thought impossible and which we cannot even begin to duplicate. One lab is trying to synthesize the relevant compound and test that it does the quantum trick without needing to have come from a living cell. So far no luck but it is early days. If they find that in fact the quantum trick is ONLY found in living versions of the chemical, hoo boy. That moves evolution EXACTLY where i suspect it is. But we’ll see.
Al,
My heart stopped for over two minutes twice – in August, 1994 and in March, 1996. After both instances, which occurred in hospitals, most people wanted to know if I’d “seen anything” or seen “it.” The first time, when I came back, I told them “no.” I only remembered the ER nurse reading my blood pressure in single digits as I blacked out. But the second time, I saw this enormous sphere that transcended time and space and was warm and good.
They were the ones that dealt with truth, not politics. And they were good.
Ok, I’m way behind the times. I’ve never heard of quantum biology.
althespook @ 341
Al…you have done, and still do interesting work. As an old Asian hand, though, I saw the impact of the Japanese hyperinflation market and crash. It wasn’t a mere bump in the road. It had major economic and political consequences that are still being dealt with…and caused the replacement of Japan as the “Number one Tiger” with South Korea and China.
Here’s a review of an interesting book on the whole mess.
Japan in Crisis. By S. Javed Maswood. Palgrave Macmillan, Houndmills, 2002.If you slept through the 1990s and missed all of the news about Japan’s economic problems–the implosion of the bubble economy, the stagnant growth, the political turmoil after the split of the Liberal Democratic Party, the Asian financial crisis, the banking crisis, and the government’s attempts to pull the economy out of a debt and deflation dive–Maswood’s book offers a concise and readable chronology to get you up to speed. The story is not a happy one, and it doesn’t yet have an ending, but it makes fascinating reading nevertheless. Journalists have been covering this story for over a decade, and for just as long analysts and commentators have been offering their instant reactions to the most recent developments in the saga of Japan’s struggle to break out of its prolonged slump. The challenge for anyone writing a book-length study of Japan’s economic problems is to take a step back from the daily headlines and offer coherent answers to two questions: how much progress has Japan made in dealing with these problems, and how can we make sense of the pattern of its response? Maswood does a much better job with the first of these questions than with the second…He argues that in the early years of the decade (up until 1997, to be specific), Japanese bureaucrats and politicians, the nation’s banks, and the business community all failed to grasp the seriousness of the economic challenges they faced.
I’ve said it before, but it bears repeating. I used to think I was smart until I hung around FDL.
Ed*ard Teller @ 367
I believe that you and I are talking about the same thing. I only hope that someday we have the science to understand it. I would love to discuss my speculations on the matter, but I suspect I’m a bit too sleepy to do it right. Perhaps another LLN when I’m less whacked. And I deeply respect your sharing that. I keep a mental file of such things and will assuredly add yours to it. And perhaps one day it will be appropriate to speak of mine.
TJ @ 368
Yes they were, WE were. And I am honored to count you a colleague, since I’m fairly sure we were to some degree. And we will beat the b*st*rds yet.
TJ @ 367
I might have ended up doing that sort of thing. When I first went into the army, I wanted to go into photo-intelligence, because I thought that might lead to a good, secure gov’t job later. Flunked two color tests in a row during the physical. The medics said I was nearly red-green blind. They said it would be impossible for me to distinguish shades of similar colors.
Funny thing, though–I knew it was bullshit. I had passed one 23/23 three or four years earlier, and just before I got drafted, I’d been working in a men’s clothing store. And, the funny thing was–virtually all of the imagery then was black and white, anyway.
It was their way of avoiding a problem. They likely had all the people they needed at that time…. Ah, well. Probably just as well. I’m not that good at keeping secrets that I think the public should know. :)
cinnamonape @ 370
cinamonape, I apologize. It’s late and I’m speed posting here. My comment wasn’t to trivialize the problems you very rightly report, but rather to try and indicate that it didn’t lead to a german hyperinflation scenario where the entire economy collapsed into virtual nothingness like ours did in the GD. As you note, the busting of that bubble did remove japan from its favored position in that area and cost many people many hardships. And yet that led in some ways to the various strong economies now all across the region. so while it was bad for japan, was it bad for everyone else? remember, not an economist…. (and thanks for the compliments, although i tend to focus on my mistakes so as not to repeat them…)
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montag @ 372
I think you were right. There was probably something else in your file that bugged them and they used that as an excuse to not have you ask further.
Al,
Also, after the second instance, I asked to be taken off of opiat*s as soon as feasible, because I wanted to assure myself the image hadn’t been drug induced. I’m still not sure it wasn’t exhaustion-induced, because I’d been running on about 10% lung capacity or less for three days when I stopped ticking.
But I still get that image back, mostly in my sleep.
I envy you that, ET.
TJ @ 376
Can’t imagine what it was. I was very, very white bread at the time. Hadn’t even gotten to the point of any psychological testing. Career military family. Had spent virtually my whole life living on or near Air Force bases. Didn’t make much sense to me, so I always chalked it up to manpower issues. They were, at the time, in dire need of clerks, which was where I got shunted.
Ed*ard Teller @ 378
Yes. I will go very gingerly out on a limb here and simply say that I, my mother, my father, my late wife, and all of my children (and a number of their friends) have had similar experiences. In some cases, they are much more detailed and persistent; in others they are one time only. All have the identical elements you describe, visualized or perceived uniquely by each individual but clearly sharing such identical characteristics that it cannot be viewed as mere coincidence. Too many data points, with no crosstalk.
And I have started, just barely, to sense that sort of thing here around the lake…for whatever that may hold for the future…
Googling some quantum biology articles, it’s the 2nd time this week I’ve come across cool articles citing work at my alma mater. At times like this, I feel like I lost a lot when I got an MBA.
TJ @ 382
but tj, you know us science types can’t handle money (ghod knows my boss can’t!); we need MBA’s like you to keep us from bankrupting everything. (I say this in jest, but only just…)
TJ @ 380
LOL, uh, duh…?montag @ 378
Don’t forget nepotism. Maybe they needed to give the job to someone who’s family was better connected.
BTW, cinamonape and anyone else, don’t worry that i’ll be upset if you prove one of my mini-lectures wrong. They are synthesized from many years of work, life, personal research and trivia retention, and if they’re wrong I want to know it. My identity is invested elsewhere.
Now where is that firm that TP’s people houses using google earth…
TJ @ 385
ding!
woops, i think that should have been whose. i’m getting tired too.
who is the asian comdeian from kentucky , who does the Bless her heart bit?
And ET, i only have six cylinders. but I overclock big time…:)
Ed*ard Teller @ 382
Ouch, lol.
althespook @ 373
You’re handling a lot of parallel threads, as well. So apologies accepted. I’d also point out that there was the more general “Asian Economic Crisis” that, with the exception of some of the more insulated economies (China, Vietnam) did hit folks pretty hard. Malaysia survived by pegging it’s currency to the US$ (and Mahathir kept blaming Soros for it all)…but Thailand and Indonesia went through major transformations…some good…some very bad. In Indonesia there was extremism against Chinese and non-Muslims as scapegoats. And a fear of the splintering of the nation as various Provinces demanded autonomy. Fortunately, the IMF and World Bank (who were largely at fault for allowing widespread passing of development loans to embezzling fatcat generals and Suharto cronies) didn’t allow the banks to skim off the savings and pension accounts of average account holders who never received a rupiah in loans. But there was, and still is, massive economic impacts…with subsidized basics suddenly being “marketized”, privatization of all sorts of government properties, pay to civil servants basically being frozen for months (the bribes to get anything done escalated exponentially), etc. And then there was the widespread environmental destruction as the military was compelled to “earn its own” and became armed “illegal loggers”. On the good side there is now a free press and it’s now the worlds Third largest Democracy (maybe #2 :-)
Hope to see you all soon. G’night.
cinnamonape @ 392
I kowtow to you big time, sir! You are clearly a modern asia expert and as I took a minor in ancient chinese history (thus the rather hokey chinese theme in recent blog posts by myself) I have great respect for that region. I also caught the “anime” bug in the late 1980’s from my son, got into Gundam, all the stuff by Miyazaki,etc. Now into Shirow and the Ghost in the Shell stuff due to ai connection of course as well as his Ghost concept which parallels my quantum biology one. But my knowledge of the economies of the region is weaker than i thought and I thank you for helping me modernize it.
Do you have a take on the current currency problems wrt china? I have heard chatter in my circle that the central government still is worried about one or more provinces breaking away from the central govt if there is a major economic slowdown, any thoughts on that?
TJ @ 393
Good night TJ and thanks for seeing past my reflexive cynicism. Please keep coming back to the lake!
TJ @ 389
Inner Life of Cells
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H1S9d5h-Ps
try this at ‘full screen’.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB6G9GD2KFk
this has the full explanations with graphics.
yellowdog jim @ 396
Isn’t it luscious? we are discovering the interior of cells, which looked like amorphous goo, is in fact highly structured and has many features we’ve been unable to see until now. My favorite in this field is the recent discovery of ionic channels inside neurons that move the ions that trigger synapses around in much the same way you describe. The reason this is important is that current AI and neurology both assume that information in the brain is stored in the connections of synapses, thus the “neural network” computer systems which simulate this using various simple but effective mathematical models. But we have other work, prior work, which was clearly correct (ie it was reproduced in many labs) that memory can also be stored in dna and rna (the slug experiments if anyone wants to search on it). So these “highways” allow for both to be true, in that the dna/rna “built” the pathways to move ions around in the ways needed to strengthen or weaken synaptic connections internally rather than externally by creating more ion pores and such.
And a lot of them are based on and managed by the “junk dna” in the dna. So the human genome is more and more suspected of being the proverbial tip of the biological iceberg…
anybody still up?
Then I shall make my way to beddie bye. Best wishes to all lurking firepups.
althespook @ 397
Just us chickens…. :)
montag @ 398
Yo, not still! On my way to Lowes but they don;t open till 6am!
althespook @ 395
that last link has the descriptions of the activity being depicted, and IIRC, there’s a depiction of the G-protein in there.
i do recall that our ion-channel blockers make important pharmaceuticals.
we are in serious EPU land now.
at more than 400 comments, i can tell we are slowing down the server.
a lot.
i’d have hoped they’d a thrown us a new thread by now.
and now,
i must rendezvous with dream land.
see y’all later.
yellowdog jim @ 402
The posts are pretty much on a schedule. Won’t see a new one until 5:15-5:30 a.m. PDT (I’ve forgotten–the schedule on weekends may be different from weekdays).
montag @ 404
i would not have known the schedule.
i am merely carping based on the comment count.
thanks for the informed expectation.
weekends: what are we going to do about ‘em?
we could hit 500 by 5:00.
i am supposing that the times posted with the comments are PDT (?).
yellowdog jim @ 406
i guess not.
sweet dreams.
This is good Edwards heck Democrats in general need to hit back. Edwards needs to do something to distinguish himself from the pack having a democrat who hits back sure would be nice.
Good morning!
Morning, egregious! The heat wave seems to have dimmed here, with temps only in the 90’s (though yesterday’s early morning humidity at 82% wasn’t exactly a thriller). I started teaching here in Kansas this week. Something is wrong, though. I’m entirely too relaxed about teaching full time plus another quarter. I think I got really relaxed in New Zealand, and I haven’t gotten properly tensed up again. Don’t know if I will again in this lifetime.
G’morning, egregious – need. coffee. now. (as I spill the water carafe and bump into the freezer, while squinting through sleep-leaded eyes)
Hey NZ, N=1,
Good to see you. Coffee’s ready here, happy to share. Milk and sugar? Scrambled eggs?
NZ interesting about becoming more relaxed. I’ve been rereading Don’t Sweat the Small Stuff. While I disagree with the subtitle [and it’s all small stuff—because things like the war, saving lives, and restoring constitutional government are NOT small] the overall theme has been helpful for me.
Yes we need to accomplish x, y, and z, but must all the effort heading toward those goals be frenzied? What if we slow down one quarter of a beat, musically speaking. We are likely to still achieve our goals, will have some calm and quiet time to recharge our creativity, and fend off that looming heart attack, stroke, or substance abuse problem. So far so good.
Tempo is important, egregious, and so is having a skillful conductor who knows the scores and can bring harmony along with the passion to orchestrate a successful performance. Unlike
Bush’s takeover of the baton and marching an orchestra into failure.
Good morning, pups. The NYT has TOMC directing her attention to Mitt, and Bob Herbert writes about a day camp in Boston for inner city kids.
http://mgpaquin.wordpress.com/
Coffee and tea are ready, and I’ve got waffles. Egregious, thanks for the scrambled eggs. I’ve always thought that scrambled eggs and waffles improved each other. Have a great day.
egregious @ 412
Anything that extends that sense of relaxed approach to task is to be encouraged.
This might be the reason why Europe retains what they have without too much stress. They get enough time off to recharge and reflect–and, maybe, enough to ward off those ailments related to stress and pressure.
When the Japanese went balls to the wall to be the world’s exporter of everything from soy sauce to cars to bioengineering equipment, their managers started dropping dead at alarming rates. They’re just beginning to figure out why.
We’re headed down that same path, and fiscal desperation will only make that situation worse. Maybe only after the next big crash will we be able to figure out why.
In the meantime, those that already know why need to hold on to the advantage they have. :)
Good Morning.
Breakfast sound goods and so does a slower speed in life.