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		<title>By: Delbert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Delbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 04:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I will not be very smooth making this request.  And this thread is  over looks like. Im specifically asking for some help with an astonishing developement that I would like to see developed as discussion point about technology that moves us away from fossil fuels entirely and very fast. It was sent to me as a video, a download from Channel 3, WKYC Cleveland made on 5-4-07. I hoped to have  Ed*ard Teller at#33 given me a way to send it to him directly, perhaps  off site email to email?  He would know what to do with it. It is SALT WATER INTO FUEL documented. So honest a discovery that  overcomes  a myriad  of problems we have no answers to until now.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will not be very smooth making this request.  And this thread is  over looks like. Im specifically asking for some help with an astonishing developement that I would like to see developed as discussion point about technology that moves us away from fossil fuels entirely and very fast. It was sent to me as a video, a download from Channel 3, WKYC Cleveland made on 5-4-07. I hoped to have  Ed*ard Teller at#33 given me a way to send it to him directly, perhaps  off site email to email?  He would know what to do with it. It is SALT WATER INTO FUEL documented. So honest a discovery that  overcomes  a myriad  of problems we have no answers to until now.</p>
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		<title>By: alank</title>
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		<dc:creator>alank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 03:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Let’s hope it augers well and Colin Powell finally finds the voice that has heretofore failed him and which might have kept us out of this quagmire in the first place.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I wouldn’t hold your breath, nor mine.  His moment came and went with nary a peep.  Even now he uses proxies to speak on his behalf.  He hasn’t the courage of his convictions even at this late date, clearly.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Let’s hope it augers well and Colin Powell finally finds the voice that has heretofore failed him and which might have kept us out of this quagmire in the first place.</p>
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<p>I wouldn’t hold your breath, nor mine.  His moment came and went with nary a peep.  Even now he uses proxies to speak on his behalf.  He hasn’t the courage of his convictions even at this late date, clearly.</p>
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		<title>By: joedinaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>joedinaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 00:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Let’s hope it augers well and Colin Powell finally finds the &lt;strike&gt;voice&lt;/strike&gt; balls that has heretofore failed him and which might have kept us out of this quagmire in the first place.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The most disappointing figure in this entire sad spectacle.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Let’s hope it augers well and Colin Powell finally finds the <strike>voice</strike> balls that has heretofore failed him and which might have kept us out of this quagmire in the first place.</p>
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<p>The most disappointing figure in this entire sad spectacle.</p>
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		<title>By: calguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>calguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 23:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-902538&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Jane Hamsher @ 96&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-902536&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;charles ferguson @ 94&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;With regret, I must now leave you…I have another appointment.  Thank you all for your interest in the film - I’m very gratified by it - really.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Keep up the good fight…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Charles Ferguson&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks so much for being here today, Charles.  We really appreciate your time and I encourage everyone to try and see the film and spread the word.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks Jane for hosting Charles Ferguson.  I was happy to see from the thread that his Charlie Rose interview finally was aired.  However, it appears that it was truncated, and in general Mr. Ferguson has been eschewed by the corporate broadcast media.  Why?  He is a counterpoint to O’Hanlan and Ferguson (whose integrity he has questioned in this thread).&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-902538"><em>Jane Hamsher @ 96</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-902536"><em>charles ferguson @ 94</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>With regret, I must now leave you…I have another appointment.  Thank you all for your interest in the film &#8211; I’m very gratified by it &#8211; really.</p>
<p>Keep up the good fight…</p>
<p>Charles Ferguson</p>
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<p>Thanks so much for being here today, Charles.  We really appreciate your time and I encourage everyone to try and see the film and spread the word.</p>
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<p>Thanks Jane for hosting Charles Ferguson.  I was happy to see from the thread that his Charlie Rose interview finally was aired.  However, it appears that it was truncated, and in general Mr. Ferguson has been eschewed by the corporate broadcast media.  Why?  He is a counterpoint to O’Hanlan and Ferguson (whose integrity he has questioned in this thread).</p>
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		<title>By: dmac</title>
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		<dc:creator>dmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 23:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;crossed crocodiles at 109 says-”I am very worried about the implications for Africa, where Somalia seems to be the next candidate for regime change.  And the Africa Command is using the military for a supposedly diplomatic role, but is looking more and more imperial/colonial.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This article by  Mahmood Mamdani in the London Review of Books: The Politics of Naming: Genocide, Civil War, Insurgency.  (There is also a cached copy if the link doesn’t work.) is worth a look.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;yeah, noone is noticing that we are IN AFRICA!!!!!!!!! troops are fighting in africa…………have been for many, many, months……….how come noone is noticing that?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>crossed crocodiles at 109 says-”I am very worried about the implications for Africa, where Somalia seems to be the next candidate for regime change.  And the Africa Command is using the military for a supposedly diplomatic role, but is looking more and more imperial/colonial.  </p>
<p>This article by  Mahmood Mamdani in the London Review of Books: The Politics of Naming: Genocide, Civil War, Insurgency.  (There is also a cached copy if the link doesn’t work.) is worth a look.”</p>
<p>yeah, noone is noticing that we are IN AFRICA!!!!!!!!! troops are fighting in africa…………have been for many, many, months……….how come noone is noticing that?</p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
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		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 22:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-902510&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Me3 @ 71&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-902460&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Frank33 @ 27&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Armitage has always been a “spook”, and he signed PNAC and he “burned” Valerie Plame, with malice. If he was so honest he would admit how Cheney and Feith “cooked the books” to start the Iraq war. We should not believe anything that lying neo-con warmonger says. There is a place for Armitage at the Hague.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have to agree. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Armitage&quot;&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Armitage&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;In late 1980, Armitage became a foreign policy advisor to President-elect Ronald Reagan.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He cut his teeth on Iran-Contra.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He cut his teeth with Ted Shackley developing drug smuggling routes through East Asia from the Golden Triangle with the help of Bush family friend Felix Rodriguez laundering funds through the Nugan Hand Bank among other places.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-902510"><em>Me3 @ 71</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-902460"><em>Frank33 @ 27</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Armitage has always been a “spook”, and he signed PNAC and he “burned” Valerie Plame, with malice. If he was so honest he would admit how Cheney and Feith “cooked the books” to start the Iraq war. We should not believe anything that lying neo-con warmonger says. There is a place for Armitage at the Hague.</p>
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<p>I have to agree. </p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Armitage">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Armitage</a></p>
<blockquote><p>In late 1980, Armitage became a foreign policy advisor to President-elect Ronald Reagan.</p>
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<p>He cut his teeth on Iran-Contra.</p>
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<p>He cut his teeth with Ted Shackley developing drug smuggling routes through East Asia from the Golden Triangle with the help of Bush family friend Felix Rodriguez laundering funds through the Nugan Hand Bank among other places.</p>
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		<title>By: dmac</title>
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		<dc:creator>dmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 22:33:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;i am very late to the thread, but charles, if you read comments later, i saw you interviewed twice lately, and the interviews were exceptional. keep on talking, you have an articulate voice.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i am very late to the thread, but charles, if you read comments later, i saw you interviewed twice lately, and the interviews were exceptional. keep on talking, you have an articulate voice.</p>
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		<title>By: croatoan</title>
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		<dc:creator>croatoan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 21:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Although Kofi Annan and the UN were indeed very skeptical and negative about the war, they could have been far more involved, particularly if the US had tried hard to bring them in.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The invasion was illegal under the UN Charter, and Kofi Annan &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3661134.stm&quot;&gt;said that&lt;/a&gt; in September 2004. The UN Charter only allows the use of force in cases of self-defense or with Security Council approval.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The US, Britain, and Spain presented a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/02/24/sprj.irq.wrap/index.html&quot;&gt;second UN Security Council resolution&lt;/a&gt; on February 24, 2003, that would have authorized force. On March 6, 2003, President Bush &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/03/20030306-8.html&quot;&gt;said&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt; No matter what the whip count is, we’re calling for the vote. We want to see people stand up and say what their opinion is about Saddam Hussein and the utility of the United Nations Security Council. And so, you bet. It’s time for people to show their cards, to let the world know where they stand when it comes to Saddam.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Despite saying that, he never called for the vote because it wouldn’t have passed.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Although Kofi Annan and the UN were indeed very skeptical and negative about the war, they could have been far more involved, particularly if the US had tried hard to bring them in.</em></p>
<p>The invasion was illegal under the UN Charter, and Kofi Annan <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3661134.stm">said that</a> in September 2004. The UN Charter only allows the use of force in cases of self-defense or with Security Council approval.</p>
<p>The US, Britain, and Spain presented a <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/02/24/sprj.irq.wrap/index.html">second UN Security Council resolution</a> on February 24, 2003, that would have authorized force. On March 6, 2003, President Bush <a href="http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/03/20030306-8.html">said</a>:
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<blockquote><p> No matter what the whip count is, we’re calling for the vote. We want to see people stand up and say what their opinion is about Saddam Hussein and the utility of the United Nations Security Council. And so, you bet. It’s time for people to show their cards, to let the world know where they stand when it comes to Saddam.</p></blockquote>
<p>Despite saying that, he never called for the vote because it wouldn’t have passed.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 21:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Late to the party again.  One of the great strengths of this film was the affectless narration.  Something Michael Moore ought to take a lesson from.  Ferguson’s interviewees killed themselves.  The evidence just accumulates as the film goes on.  The conclusions are umistakable:  Fuck up of galactic proportions doesn’t even begin to describe it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Late to the party again.  One of the great strengths of this film was the affectless narration.  Something Michael Moore ought to take a lesson from.  Ferguson’s interviewees killed themselves.  The evidence just accumulates as the film goes on.  The conclusions are umistakable:  Fuck up of galactic proportions doesn’t even begin to describe it.</p>
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		<title>By: PLovering</title>
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		<dc:creator>PLovering</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 21:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-902535&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Kathy @ 95&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;What do you think the real reason was for our invasion?  Has the administration achieved their true goals?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Good question.  I ask it of myself and others all the time.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hard to believe such rational men took us to war only to create chaos.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We were on track to an authoritarian state before the last elections.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-902535"><em>Kathy @ 95</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>What do you think the real reason was for our invasion?  Has the administration achieved their true goals?</p>
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<p>Good question.  I ask it of myself and others all the time.</p>
<p>Hard to believe such rational men took us to war only to create chaos.  </p>
<p>We were on track to an authoritarian state before the last elections.</p>
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