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		<title>By: treebark</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/17/early-morning-cuppa-how-to-lose-your-credibility/#comment-902327</link>
		<dc:creator>treebark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think once again we were played. We expected the general to say what the Whitehouse wanted,&lt;br /&gt;
so we downplayed his testimony. Then we hear he won’t testify in an open forum and the report will be written by the Whitehouse and we cry “WE&lt;br /&gt;
HAVE TO HEAR HIM TESTIFY!” Now his credibility&lt;br /&gt;
has gone up 1000%!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think once again we were played. We expected the general to say what the Whitehouse wanted,<br />
so we downplayed his testimony. Then we hear he won’t testify in an open forum and the report will be written by the Whitehouse and we cry “WE<br />
HAVE TO HEAR HIM TESTIFY!” Now his credibility<br />
has gone up 1000%!</p>
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		<title>By: Dick Durata</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/17/early-morning-cuppa-how-to-lose-your-credibility/#comment-902289</link>
		<dc:creator>Dick Durata</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“General David Petraeus is reported to be one of the finest Generals we have, and I have no reason to doubt that”…&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://dickdurata.blogspot.com/2007/03/westhusing.html&quot;&gt;Col. Westhusing&lt;/a&gt; seemed to have a different opinion about the General.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“General David Petraeus is reported to be one of the finest Generals we have, and I have no reason to doubt that”…<br />
<a href="http://dickdurata.blogspot.com/2007/03/westhusing.html">Col. Westhusing</a> seemed to have a different opinion about the General.</p>
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		<title>By: alank</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/17/early-morning-cuppa-how-to-lose-your-credibility/#comment-902237</link>
		<dc:creator>alank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;David Patraeus is destined to be Colin Powell redux, methinks.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Patraeus is destined to be Colin Powell redux, methinks.</p>
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		<title>By: Tanbark</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/17/early-morning-cuppa-how-to-lose-your-credibility/#comment-902106</link>
		<dc:creator>Tanbark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;‘Crow; in trying to fend off the endgame, they’re going to run as much bullshit as they’re ALLOWED to run.   &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Petraeus was picked because they were about out of generals who will help them run it.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; Now that the reality-croc has HIS ass in his jaws, it looks like he may be about to say “OUCH”, or at least “Gee, that hurts, and I don’t think it’s going to get any less painful or bloody” in the next 5-10 years.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Since bush and the GOP don’t HAVE 5-10 years until their reckoning, they now need to hide Petraeus and the negative part of his “assessment”.   Happily enough, some democrats, and probably a few repubs, are not happy about that, and they want the good general standing tall, when he assesses. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; The most salient part of it will probably be “If we don’t stay, we’re gonna be fucked worse than if we DO stay, so we need to stay.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Which assessment ignores two relevant-but-unstated (at least by the democrats and the MSM) facts:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“The bloody-handed idjits who got us into this are the ones with a humongous vested interest in sustaining it long enough for them to GTF out of Dodge.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Staying is not going to make it better.  Only worse, when we do leave.  Of course, the “worse” will come with democratic control of 2 of the three arms of government, if the democratic house and senate continue to bend over and spread their cheeks.” &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;    Speaking for just me, personally, I’ve always enjoyed watching our pols have to go plunge headfirst into the 55 gallon drum of bullshit and koolaid, while bobbing for truth-turds like they were apples. :o)&lt;br /&gt;
    It’s going to be one hell of an election, and the banquet table is well-set.   Let’s see who comes up for air, first.   :o)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>‘Crow; in trying to fend off the endgame, they’re going to run as much bullshit as they’re ALLOWED to run.   </p>
<p>Petraeus was picked because they were about out of generals who will help them run it.  </p>
<p> Now that the reality-croc has HIS ass in his jaws, it looks like he may be about to say “OUCH”, or at least “Gee, that hurts, and I don’t think it’s going to get any less painful or bloody” in the next 5-10 years.  </p>
<p>Since bush and the GOP don’t HAVE 5-10 years until their reckoning, they now need to hide Petraeus and the negative part of his “assessment”.   Happily enough, some democrats, and probably a few repubs, are not happy about that, and they want the good general standing tall, when he assesses. </p>
<p> The most salient part of it will probably be “If we don’t stay, we’re gonna be fucked worse than if we DO stay, so we need to stay.”</p>
<p>Which assessment ignores two relevant-but-unstated (at least by the democrats and the MSM) facts:</p>
<p>“The bloody-handed idjits who got us into this are the ones with a humongous vested interest in sustaining it long enough for them to GTF out of Dodge.”</p>
<p>and:</p>
<p>“Staying is not going to make it better.  Only worse, when we do leave.  Of course, the “worse” will come with democratic control of 2 of the three arms of government, if the democratic house and senate continue to bend over and spread their cheeks.” </p>
<p>    Speaking for just me, personally, I’ve always enjoyed watching our pols have to go plunge headfirst into the 55 gallon drum of bullshit and koolaid, while bobbing for truth-turds like they were apples. :o)<br />
    It’s going to be one hell of an election, and the banquet table is well-set.   Let’s see who comes up for air, first.   :o)</p>
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		<title>By: David Ehrenstein</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/17/early-morning-cuppa-how-to-lose-your-credibility/#comment-902098</link>
		<dc:creator>David Ehrenstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 14:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/television/columns/e3ided21673370e52a353cc9eb8f5365cd8&quot;&gt;The Hollywood Reporter Outs Merv!&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(This is actually BIG news — as Jane, being an old “New Hollywood” hand well knows. The dam has FINALLY bust.)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/television/columns/e3ided21673370e52a353cc9eb8f5365cd8">The Hollywood Reporter Outs Merv!</a></p>
<p>(This is actually BIG news — as Jane, being an old “New Hollywood” hand well knows. The dam has FINALLY bust.)</p>
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		<title>By: DearEditor</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/17/early-morning-cuppa-how-to-lose-your-credibility/#comment-901954</link>
		<dc:creator>DearEditor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Anyone care to guess the over/under on actual answers vs. “I don’t recall”?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-901830&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;ruffian @ 6&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;you forgot the ps on the sign: loyalty oaths required&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sad but true, ruffian.  In the reality-based sphere loyalty doesn’t require an oath, it is earned.  A “loyalty oath” is a lie by both parties.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone care to guess the over/under on actual answers vs. “I don’t recall”?</p>
<p><a href="#comment-901830"><em>ruffian @ 6</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>you forgot the ps on the sign: loyalty oaths required</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Sad but true, ruffian.  In the reality-based sphere loyalty doesn’t require an oath, it is earned.  A “loyalty oath” is a lie by both parties.</p>
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		<title>By: RockPaperScizzors</title>
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		<dc:creator>RockPaperScizzors</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-901824&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;KayInMaine @ 1&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Maybe we could have an empty White House until election time? It would be safer for our country, no?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Good morning, Scarecrow! Gulping coffee. ;-)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sounds like a great plan. Think of all the money taxpayers would save, no more federal taxes. And each state is theoretically independent with its’ own state government, governors, reps, attorney general….I’m all for state power. And my taxes staying within state.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-901824"><em>KayInMaine @ 1</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Maybe we could have an empty White House until election time? It would be safer for our country, no?</p>
<p>Good morning, Scarecrow! Gulping coffee. ;-)</p>
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<p>Sounds like a great plan. Think of all the money taxpayers would save, no more federal taxes. And each state is theoretically independent with its’ own state government, governors, reps, attorney general….I’m all for state power. And my taxes staying within state.</p>
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		<title>By: rapier</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/17/early-morning-cuppa-how-to-lose-your-credibility/#comment-901902</link>
		<dc:creator>rapier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What about the War Czar Gen. Lute.  I see a bare office in the White House basement.  The victim of a brief bamboozlement campaign now long forgotten. What did they get? About 5 news cycles out of that one?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Maybe Lute is a Party loyalist, I just don’t know. It will be interesting to see how Party loyalty plays out going forward. One thing I have always thought is that there has been a self purging of anti Party loyalists going on for six years. So I’m thinking Party members might lay low for awhile but long term they will be in charge.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about the War Czar Gen. Lute.  I see a bare office in the White House basement.  The victim of a brief bamboozlement campaign now long forgotten. What did they get? About 5 news cycles out of that one?</p>
<p>Maybe Lute is a Party loyalist, I just don’t know. It will be interesting to see how Party loyalty plays out going forward. One thing I have always thought is that there has been a self purging of anti Party loyalists going on for six years. So I’m thinking Party members might lay low for awhile but long term they will be in charge.</p>
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		<title>By: N=1</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/17/early-morning-cuppa-how-to-lose-your-credibility/#comment-901851</link>
		<dc:creator>N=1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;G’morning.  The &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/16/opinion/16thu3.html&quot;&gt;NYT editorial&lt;/a&gt; page has it right, and the &lt;a href=&quot;http://universalhealth.wordpress.com/2007/08/16/republican-consumer-driven-health-care-right-over-the-balcony/&quot;&gt;Republican consumer-directed healthcare&lt;/a&gt; policy is shown in action. Three more miners dead, and the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/17/us/17cnd-mine.html?ex=1345003200&amp;en=789e1498260c0199&amp;ei=5088&amp;partner=rssnyt&amp;emc=rss&quot;&gt;mountain is still crumbling&lt;/a&gt; as the weight of it on the remaining coal pillars causes catastrophic failure.&lt;br /&gt;
From mountains on stilts of coal to Constitutions on stilts of torture: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/17/opinion/17fri1.html&quot;&gt;Padilla is convicted&lt;/a&gt;, but the jury never had a full deck with which to make the determination.&lt;br /&gt;
Bush has completely gutted the country. Enjoy your breakfast.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>G’morning.  The <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/16/opinion/16thu3.html">NYT editorial</a> page has it right, and the <a href="http://universalhealth.wordpress.com/2007/08/16/republican-consumer-driven-health-care-right-over-the-balcony/">Republican consumer-directed healthcare</a> policy is shown in action. Three more miners dead, and the <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/17/us/17cnd-mine.html?ex=1345003200&amp;en=789e1498260c0199&amp;ei=5088&amp;partner=rssnyt&amp;emc=rss">mountain is still crumbling</a> as the weight of it on the remaining coal pillars causes catastrophic failure.<br />
From mountains on stilts of coal to Constitutions on stilts of torture: <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/17/opinion/17fri1.html">Padilla is convicted</a>, but the jury never had a full deck with which to make the determination.<br />
Bush has completely gutted the country. Enjoy your breakfast.</p>
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		<title>By: Richmond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richmond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Good morning and an apology to Senator Reid. A couple of days ago I suggested that the Dems might be complicit in this, by not wanting Petreus to speak more publicly in Congress so that they had “heard things” which prevented them from voting against the Surge. Well Reid came out strongly against this, and the WH seems to have caved. Thanks Senator Reid.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good morning and an apology to Senator Reid. A couple of days ago I suggested that the Dems might be complicit in this, by not wanting Petreus to speak more publicly in Congress so that they had “heard things” which prevented them from voting against the Surge. Well Reid came out strongly against this, and the WH seems to have caved. Thanks Senator Reid.</p>
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