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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/17/att-stockholders-demand-explanation-for-pearl-jam-censorship/#comment-904415</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 18:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;When the people fear the government, there is tryanny; When the government fears the people, there is liberty…….Thomas Jefferson&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>When the people fear the government, there is tryanny; When the government fears the people, there is liberty…….Thomas Jefferson</b></p>
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		<title>By: DavidTC</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/17/att-stockholders-demand-explanation-for-pearl-jam-censorship/#comment-904167</link>
		<dc:creator>DavidTC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 15:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-902984&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Gunga Djinn @ 119&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;There’s an easier way. The content owner (Lollapalooza in this case) attaches a contract rider covering delivery of content &amp; prohibition of editting/censoring.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;AT&amp;T, as just another conduit, has very little leverage. Agree or we’ll find another conduit.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Why get into a spitting match when you can just pull the whole rug out from under them?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Why would they need to do that? I can’t imagine a contract with AT&amp;T that says ‘We will carry whatever data we want.’. Yes, AT&amp;T probably has exceptions in there for loss of data &lt;b&gt;by accident&lt;/b&gt;, but deliberately censoring parts of something are not accidental losses.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Lollapalooza is not stupid, and did not write a contract that allowed AT&amp;T to carry as little of the the concert as they felt like. AT&amp;T is &lt;b&gt;already&lt;/b&gt; in breech of the contract, or Lollapalooza was in on the censorship from the start.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-902984"><em>Gunga Djinn @ 119</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>There’s an easier way. The content owner (Lollapalooza in this case) attaches a contract rider covering delivery of content &amp; prohibition of editting/censoring.</p>
<p>AT&amp;T, as just another conduit, has very little leverage. Agree or we’ll find another conduit.</p>
<p>Why get into a spitting match when you can just pull the whole rug out from under them?</p>
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<p>Why would they need to do that? I can’t imagine a contract with AT&amp;T that says ‘We will carry whatever data we want.’. Yes, AT&amp;T probably has exceptions in there for loss of data <b>by accident</b>, but deliberately censoring parts of something are not accidental losses.</p>
<p>Lollapalooza is not stupid, and did not write a contract that allowed AT&amp;T to carry as little of the the concert as they felt like. AT&amp;T is <b>already</b> in breech of the contract, or Lollapalooza was in on the censorship from the start.</p>
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		<title>By: KayInMaine</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/17/att-stockholders-demand-explanation-for-pearl-jam-censorship/#comment-904096</link>
		<dc:creator>KayInMaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 13:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;…and this is why on every bill I send in to them gets a, “Stop spying on us!”, or a “AT&amp;T doesn’t care about American’s privacy!” on it. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The fact that AT&amp;T has become a tool for the Bush Regime is disgusting.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>…and this is why on every bill I send in to them gets a, “Stop spying on us!”, or a “AT&amp;T doesn’t care about American’s privacy!” on it. </p>
<p>The fact that AT&amp;T has become a tool for the Bush Regime is disgusting.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/17/att-stockholders-demand-explanation-for-pearl-jam-censorship/#comment-903840</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 06:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-903008&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;ccmask @ 127&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The … is pissed at BP, and so is Pearl Jam. British Petroleum is often looked at as one of the “better” oil companies…one that actually has the environment on their mind.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The BP Whiting Refinery in Indiana …&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;BP has written their own statement to say that the ammonia levels are still at 50% of the federal standards, and that the change in their output is due to having to process a totally different, and heavier, crude oil.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;…
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Why a different crude? Where’s it coming from?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-903008"><em>ccmask @ 127</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>The … is pissed at BP, and so is Pearl Jam. British Petroleum is often looked at as one of the “better” oil companies…one that actually has the environment on their mind.</p>
<p>The BP Whiting Refinery in Indiana …</p>
<p>BP has written their own statement to say that the ammonia levels are still at 50% of the federal standards, and that the change in their output is due to having to process a totally different, and heavier, crude oil.</p>
<p>…
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<p>Why a different crude? Where’s it coming from?</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 05:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-902940&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Smgumby @ 81&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Another Progressive Congressman falls in line…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Rep. Brian Baird, WA  took the trip to Iraq for the horse and pony show and now supports the surge continuing.  He’s my rep, so it makes me sad.  I need help getting through to him.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theolympian.com/news/story/192500.html&quot;&gt;http://www.theolympian.com/news/story/192500.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Skip it and let’s move on to other Republicans to beat. It’s a better bet we’ll get all-around better average government that way.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yeah yeah, I know. We gotta end the war. But, we’ve still got a lot of other issues such as the ones discussed on this blog, and your guy would probably vote better on those than a Republican.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-902940"><em>Smgumby @ 81</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Another Progressive Congressman falls in line…</p>
<p>Rep. Brian Baird, WA  took the trip to Iraq for the horse and pony show and now supports the surge continuing.  He’s my rep, so it makes me sad.  I need help getting through to him.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.theolympian.com/news/story/192500.html">http://www.theolympian.com/news/story/192500.html</a></p>
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<p>Skip it and let’s move on to other Republicans to beat. It’s a better bet we’ll get all-around better average government that way.</p>
<p>Yeah yeah, I know. We gotta end the war. But, we’ve still got a lot of other issues such as the ones discussed on this blog, and your guy would probably vote better on those than a Republican.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/17/att-stockholders-demand-explanation-for-pearl-jam-censorship/#comment-903799</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 05:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-902909&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;rwcole @ 54&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Told about the market collapse and the drying up of credit and liquidity in all markets- the President exclaimed–”Watch this drive”!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;while standing on the back of a boat with a fishin’ pole in his hands…no doubt&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-902909"><em>rwcole @ 54</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Told about the market collapse and the drying up of credit and liquidity in all markets- the President exclaimed–”Watch this drive”!</p>
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<p>while standing on the back of a boat with a fishin’ pole in his hands…no doubt</p>
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		<title>By: tekel</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/17/att-stockholders-demand-explanation-for-pearl-jam-censorship/#comment-903423</link>
		<dc:creator>tekel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 03:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-903012&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Milan River @ 129&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Boy- what the landscape of America would look like if Poppy had been sterile.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;it’s not too late.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-903012"><em>Milan River @ 129</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Boy- what the landscape of America would look like if Poppy had been sterile.</p>
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<p>it’s not too late.</p>
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		<title>By: tekel</title>
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		<dc:creator>tekel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 03:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;25 points, 1000 words: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;compare &amp; contrast institutional investors in the US using their financial clout to bring about the end of apartheid in SA with student protests in the UC school system objecting to TIAA-CREF and UC endowment investment in Israeli companies to bring about the end of oppression against Palestinians.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>25 points, 1000 words: </p>
<p>compare &amp; contrast institutional investors in the US using their financial clout to bring about the end of apartheid in SA with student protests in the UC school system objecting to TIAA-CREF and UC endowment investment in Israeli companies to bring about the end of oppression against Palestinians.</p>
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		<title>By: neokneme</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/17/att-stockholders-demand-explanation-for-pearl-jam-censorship/#comment-903104</link>
		<dc:creator>neokneme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 01:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This cracks me up though (from above)…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Though there are certainly important issues at stake as we seek to expand our broadband networks, Democrats would be well advised not to &lt;b&gt;mimic the Bush administration’s impetuous push for preemptive strikes &lt;/b&gt;in the digital world.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What happened to the 11th commandment, eh Mr. Gooper?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This cracks me up though (from above)…</p>
<blockquote><p>Though there are certainly important issues at stake as we seek to expand our broadband networks, Democrats would be well advised not to <b>mimic the Bush administration’s impetuous push for preemptive strikes </b>in the digital world.</p>
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<p>What happened to the 11th commandment, eh Mr. Gooper?</p>
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		<title>By: neokneme</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/17/att-stockholders-demand-explanation-for-pearl-jam-censorship/#comment-903044</link>
		<dc:creator>neokneme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 01:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-902987&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;GordonM @ 121&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-902955&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;neokneme @ 95&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.statesman.com/opinion/content/editorial/stories/08/15/0815villarreal_edit.html&quot;&gt;Goopers&lt;/a&gt; talk the talk…&lt;br /&gt;
…&lt;br /&gt;
Talk about hypothetical…
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And we’re, what, 12th in the industrial world for broadband? S Korea gets 30Mb access everywhere for a fraction of the price.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;First rule of contracting — Address the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ptg.com/Clients.asp&quot;&gt;client’s&lt;/a&gt; weaknesses…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-902987"><em>GordonM @ 121</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-902955"><em>neokneme @ 95</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="http://www.statesman.com/opinion/content/editorial/stories/08/15/0815villarreal_edit.html">Goopers</a> talk the talk…<br />
…<br />
Talk about hypothetical…
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<p>And we’re, what, 12th in the industrial world for broadband? S Korea gets 30Mb access everywhere for a fraction of the price.</p>
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<p>First rule of contracting — Address the <a href="http://www.ptg.com/Clients.asp">client’s</a> weaknesses…</p>
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