Let’s call this a round-up of sorts and see if you can pick out the interconnected ties:
– Business Week: Inflation Above The Fed’s Comfort Zone:
Amid the recent turmoil in the credit markets, economic data releases haven’t received the full attention of many market watchers….The reports showed that core consumer inflation, which excludes food and energy prices, remains stubbornly above the Federal Reserve’s comfort zone. On the plus side, other releases showed solid factory sector readings for both July and August.
– Paul Krugman: Financial Meltdown Looks Like The One In ‘98, But Worse:
Investors were rattled recently when the subprime meltdown caused the collapse of two hedge funds operated by Bear Stearns, the investment bank. Since then, markets have been manic-depressive, with triple-digit gains or losses in the Dow Jones industrial average the rule rather than the exception for the past two weeks.
But Thursday’s announcement by BNP Paribas, a large French bank, that it was suspending the operations of three of its own funds was, if anything, the most ominous news yet. The suspension was necessary, the bank said, because of “the complete evaporation of liquidity in certain market segments” – that is, there are no buyers.
When liquidity dries up, as I said, it can produce a chain reaction of defaults. Financial institution A can’t sell its mortgage-backed securities, so it can’t raise enough cash to make the payment it owes to institution B, which then doesn’t have the cash to pay institution C – and those who do have cash sit on it, because they don’t trust anyone else to repay a loan, which makes things even worse.
– WAFF News: Milk Prices Historically High, Hurting Schools:
The average price for a gallon of milk is at its highest nationwide average ever at $3.80. Last year, a gallon of milk on average was $3. Six months later, it was more than $3.29. It jumped up to record $4 dollars a gallon last month. The skyrocketing milk prices are also reaching beyond the grocery store, it’s now affecting some of its smallest consumers. Many schools say they don’t have a choice but to raise the price of milk.
– MPR: Rural Foreclosures Hitting Some Areas Hard:
The number of mortgage foreclosures in greater Minnesota is nearly twice as large as previously reported according to a new study from the Greater Minnesota Housing Fund. Experts say the study reveals an invisible epidemic that’s affecting every corner of the state and they predict the problem will get worse.
–USAToday: Stockton, CA — Housing Market Is Still Sliding:
Lenders filed 1,129 notices of default against borrowers who were behind on their mortgages in the second quarter, according to DataQuick Information Systems, up 205% from the second quarter last year.
The bulk of the foreclosures, Underhill said, are homes purchased with subprime, adjustable-rate mortgages or exotic loans that allowed the buyer to pay only the interest, or less, for a set period of time. As their monthly payments reset to higher rates, some homeowners and investors are finding they can’t afford them and can’t refinance — either because the property is worth less than they owe, or the mortgage they hoped to get no longer exists in today’s risk-averse market.
– CNN: Housing Woes Hammer Home Depot, Wal-Mart:
Wal-Mart and Home Depot, two of the nation’s largest retailers, blamed the housing market slump and ongoing turbulence in the mortgage market for hurting sales and profits in the second quarter.
Wal-Mart, which has already stepped up its price-cutting this year, warned Tuesday that the problems are spreading beyond its U.S. stores to international markets including Mexico and Canada – and rolled back its profit forecast for the full year.
Is it me or are things awfully crappy out there for a whole lot of people? And if you think the richflation crowd isn’t being hit on this too…think again. And if the richflation crowd doesn’t understand the connection between the rise of the cost of milk, the reduction in the Wal-Mart profits and the declining home sales…and how that cuts into their own portfolio musings…then they aren’t paying attention. This is the point where the collective shit begins to hit the fan.
Think about the above for just a moment. It is back to school time, one of the biggest retail points of the year, and WalMart is forecasting a gloomy quarter. That is huge — and has to be reverberating across the entire retail sector. Low retail means lower imports and less manufacturing, means layoffs down the road, means…well, you get the picture. And once you start thinking about retail, you wonder how many other areas that will ripple out to — and for how long?
The first political type who comes out of the gate with a good understanding of what it is like to dig for change in the couch cushions so your kid can get an extra milk at school lunch…and why it matters to the guy who owns the Chipotle franchise into which he has poured his family’s life savings so that they could make something solid to pass down to their kids…and how that links up to Wall Street…finds the magic answer. Because I have this feeling that in the 2008 election, we’re going to be talking money crunch on a whole lot of levels. And in that discussion, how this impacts the poor and the middle class had better be at the top of a very long list — because without some real, honest discussion of the hardships they face, we may be looking at a very bleak economy for the days ahead, and that is bad for everyone — even the richflation crowd. Welcome to the ties that bind.
(Photo of school lunch via Old Shoe Woman. And a happy birthday to Wordsmith today!)
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Zed?
zed! Good morning!
Good Morning Ms Molly!! (let’s all sing along!)
Good morning all.
Milk prices are high. Produce prices are high. Don’t trust fish much anymore.
TexTeen is growing like a weed and would rather not buy clothes from second-hand shops. For us, that means fewer new clothes this school year.
The beginning of the Great Depression of the aughts.
EPU’d right in the middle of my post!
And yes, I’m afraid we’re headed into a depression that will make the last one look like a sunday picnic. *Sigh*.
JF @ 3
Hum, maybe — I am at work and should not be at the Lake right now ;-)
And when that house next door goes into foreclosure, it doesn’t do your house’s value any good.
Great post, Christy. I laugh at stories about “core inflation” that excludes the cost of energy, especially after driving a moving truck that got about 7 mpg halfway across the country.
I am also at work. Humming or singing might not be appropriate, but I am OK to be at the lake while no one needs my help with anything.
I believe I was watching the German News and they indicated that Walmart is so huge that it is one of the key indicators as to the health of the US economy…. (not exact words but pretty much to that effect)…
Sad to also know that Walmart one of the initial principle architects of shipping our manufacturing jobs overseas pretty much represents whether or not we’re doing okay financially…
Truly a tragic state of affairs…
And the DJIA is down 120 this morning.
@ 4
Hey TexB, what size is TexTeen wearing now? Spouse has a nasty habit of over-buying, may have some brand-new odds and sods here from Macy’s that I can’t take back any longer.
Question on the evening news last night…
“What happens if your mortgage company goes bankrupt?”
Countrywide Mortgage is just down the road from my house, BIG building, BIG employer and until a few months ago, my mortgage company (THANK GOD I refinanced)
Countrywide plunges on bankruptcy fear
The European financial reports were all over this and LOTS of concern and monitoring. They were investing in our hot housing market because they were receiving big returns. This is one of the hazards of a global economy. If America tanks, we tank the world.
So what happens if your mortgage company goes bankrupt?
Prediction: Rep candidates for office next year will blame the economy on this Dem-controlled Congress.
I can always be at the lake at work ;-) And it’s nearly as much fun:
http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/compiling.png
(I just put a linky up, no idea what the unwritten rules are about including images…)
Rayne @ 13
Pants are 30×32. He has plenty of shirts. He’s saving towards a new U Texas hoodie since I won’t replace the one he has simply because it has the date of the 2005 Rose Bowl along with the Longhorn symbol. It still fits, but somehow that is not enough.
Here’s another sign of the times…..
The story is about a man that killed his wife by throwing her over the 4th story balcony. Motive, unable to pay the medical bills incurred by the wife’s illness.
This should piss everyone off to no end. And I’m more than willing to bet that acts similar to this happen all the time, just not as dramatically.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/08/…..index.html
“..that is bad for everyone — even the richflation crowd.”
My heart really goes out to those richflation folks. Oh the misery and turmoil that is their lives. The soaps just never quite get it right.
“Chas darling, I don’t know how we’re ever going to bear this burden. Muffin will be so, so disappointed. She’ll just have to learn to make do with a Beemer for her birthday instead of that Ferrari. Now be a real dear and mix me another breakfast martini.”
The US government is understating inflation. They’ve removed food & energy from the statistics entirely (if the price of milk goes up, it’s not inflation, I guess). Because they no longer report on the M3 money supply, no one (but them) knows how high inflation really is. It is probalby higher than the Fed’s discount rate.
When interest rates are below inflation, two things happen. First, you get speculative bubbles. Second, no one saves. We’ve got both. There’s a third thing you get, of course…inflation.
The Fed desperately needs to raise interest rates to fix the “free money” spending binge the country has been on since 9/11. But raising rates will send us into a recession (at least…it could be much worse). Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
The infuriating thing is that this inflationary bubble was engineered deliberately after 9/11 by Greenspan & Bush. Bush was worried about Democratic gains in Congress in the 2002 election, and he was worried that economic woes would undermine support for his eternal War on Terra. Greenspan, the obliging right-wing hack, did his bidding.
This is serious. Everyone should be careful with their money and their jobs. If you have any risky investments, get out. If you can pay down any debt you have, do it.
Buena suerte, everyone. :(
There’s a shortage of liquid cash around the world, causing a lot of anxiety in financial markets. Banks are reluctant to give short-term loans to other banks, a common practice. Companies are reluctant to invest. This is the credit crunch.
Central banks around the “developed” world (including the US Federal Reserve) have released some of their cash reserves into the monetary market to ease the crunch. The question is whether this will resolve the problem or lead to further shortages.
Analysts say that the worst of foreclosures are yet to come, when most adjustable mortage rates jump way up around the fall. As for sub-prime mortages? Well, sadly, the American Dream is not for everyone.
Keep in mind – this is how Richistan buys working class assets on the cheap.
While my uncle was in Europe fighting the Nazis, his widowed mother couldn’t keep up with the taxes. It just so happened the tax collector and judge were brothers (both of an age to serve in combat, but declared essential for civilian duties). The tax collector told many farm women to sign a quit-claim deed against the taxes, or he’d foreclose on them. The judge greased the skids, and the two brothers bought many farms that had been in families since colonial days.
When my uncle got home, his mother was packing their belongings.
Today’s deal is going to be a variation on that theme. What happens when your mortgage company goes bust? They call in their loans. How the hell you gonna refi?
@ 17
Is he allowed to wear jeans or does he have to wear slacks to school (don’t know if we have a dress code issue). Spouse’s over-purchases won’t work, he’s a 34×35, but I’ll keep my eyes peeled. Is there a brand he’ll tolerate in jeans (sorry, no extra Lucky brand lying around)?
So what happens if your mortgage company goes bankrupt?
I wonder about that too. I guess it means you own the house free and clear! *g*
PB (peanut butter) @ 16
Funny! I have a self-directed job (IT policy) and a private office, but when I’m swimming around here, I’m not getting any work done. I try to confine myself to a quick morning splash, a check at lunchtime, and a long swim in the Lake in the evening (to beat the metaphor to death). The operative word is try.
Did the press release get picked up anywhere?
*goes back to work, for now*
Loo Hoo. @ 24
Heh. Wouldn’t that be nice? Nah, the loan itself is still good (assuming you’re making payments on it) and will be sold off to some other company.
Loo Hoo at 24 — Generally what happens is that a number of the mortgage assets are sold off to a more solid company during reorganization under Chapter 11 or Chapter 13 — or they are kept while there is reorganization. In other words, you keep paying, whether the business is doing well or not.
We dodged a bullet with Reagan in the WH. I knew we wouldn’t be as fortunate with GWB in charge. Seven years of malign idiocy has lead us to an economic Hurricane Katrina. At some point Americans need to seriously re-evaluate the wisdom of electing Republicans to office.
katymine @ 14
Ahmmm…you don’t have to pay the mortgage anymore?
Nah, they wouldn’t give us that break would they?
Instead, I bet the bankrupt mortgage company doesn’t have to pay its bills, and the corporate weasels who were supposed to be managing the place get to keep all those zillions in stock options they got.
Oh to be a member of the ruling class where money grows on trees and your slaves will even harvest ‘em for ya.
And let’s remember the $1.3 trillion that we owe China–the amount of US treasury bonds sitting in the vaults in the People’s Bank of China. We’ve been spending a substantial amount of this loan on the useless war in Iraq.
PB (peanut butter) @ 7
You’re possibly right…
There are many, many more people to feed…
There were people from the last depression who did starve to death literally. If you haven’t read, “Grapes of Wrath” by John Steinbeck you should. There are parts of his book that I feel came directly from the mouths of the people who suffered through it even though the book is suppose to be fiction.
Also, if you take in perspective the migratory workers situation in “Grapes of Wrath” and fast forward to today’s “outsourcing ” of jobs overseas there is a sense the same thing is happening right now what happened back in the 1930’s but on a global scale.
Gawd, help us through it…
If the economy tanks, this little guy wants Kucinich looking out for me more than ever.
JF @ 15
… and on Clinton
It’s all about wealth based on credit and debt… And the enormous profits taken which are not related to work.
Our whole economy based on a credit ponzi scheme is unraveling.
Yea yea.. the service based economy…
Yea yea the financial sector (what do they produce again???)
Yea yea.. outsourcing for higher ROI
Brought to you by the republican me me me generation
diogenes @ 22
Unfortunately, this is true. We have some money that should be invested, and real estate is becoming appetizing. The question is when is the bottom, and I don’t see it ahead just yet; that’s when the money comes out, particularly when there’s no place else to put the money.
But at the same time, in today’s environment, the dollar has been tanking. Even that money I need to invest is worth less than it was two years ago. I can’t take it and buy properties overseas, could only hope to buy properties here. It’s a horribly slim upside that the money already here may stay here.
One thing that’s interesting about all this is that I wonder if it makes Edward’s message more on target. He keeps focusing on poverty and the economy more so than any of the other candidates.
I will vote democrat, of course, regardless of who winds up on the ticket, but I’ve been rooting for Edwards all along…Clinton and Obama just don’t do it for me…
Anyway, if things are tanking now, it could substantially and completely alter the campaign landscape…
Trouble is with the “just keep paying” bit is that your payments can disappear into the ether. It happened to to me and producing a canceled check did not impress the “new bank”. Never got credit for that payment.
Beware…
The only cure, more tax cut for the rich. And then watch all that Republican money trickle down.
G. Kerby @ 33
Of course. How could I forget.
Katymine@14
“The European financial reports were all over this and LOTS of concern and monitoring.”
They still have no clue. Still spread the fairy tale that this is due only to subprime. Still do not do their research. After the head of EZB announced ‘normalcy’ two days ago, they abandoned the topic for two days, only to holler about it today. Now they are blaming the rating agencies.
For those interested in some more technical analysis of what all this is about I suggest Nouriel Roubini’s site. Here is a link to his analysis posted yesterday.
http://www.rgemonitor.com/blog/roubini/210688
I am predicting a WalMart backlash due to all the news out of China. I occasionally shop their deli, but don’t purchase much else from WalMart. As the public gets pissed off about the crap coming out of China (regardless of the fact it is our Gov’t fault it is not inspected) I think they will take it out on WalMart.
SanderO at 37 — You can contact both the Better Business Bureau and your state’s attorney general over something like that. If the check was cashed, they owe you credit for the payment in almost all states. And you can get help with enforcement on that — because for them not to credit you is fraud. You should contact your attorney general’s office about that — they almost always have a consumer credit division for complaints of that nature.
Sure the economy is strong. And Iraq is in great shape too. And Alberto Gonzales is doing a great job.
Why would this administration be any more credible on the economy than on any other issue? This is Bush, who couldn’t run a Texas baseball team and who was best friends with Ken Enron Lay.
The truth is that the National Debt is crazy high, personal debt is crazy high, corporate debt is crazy high – something’s got to give.
When you see them jumping off the buildings in Wall Street you know that here are some seriously depressed traders. And… officially we in a depression.
That’s depressing ain’t it.
mulligatawny @ 40
Hmmm, the ECB injected what 80bn into the European banks last week? Is that what you’re talking about? They seemed to think they insulated Europe from the fallout reasonably well. *If* so, that could mark a turning point in the old adage, “When the US sneezes, the whole world gets a cold.”
OTOH, I can’t help but think they’ve already dumped 80bn, and this subprime tremblor is merely the first on our horizon…
(BTW, what’s the percentage of overseas readers versus U.S. here at the Lake?)
Technicolouryawn @ 28
My nomination for understatement of the year ;)
The Dow is down another 160 this morning. This is getting butt ugly.
Anyone seen the Ditech man lately?
ticktock @ 31
OMG! What if Mexico won’t let us in? Maybe we can just sneak across the border. I hear you can even sleep in the parks.
Technicolouryawn @ 28
I’d disagree in that during the Reagan years, we lost all that farmland to BigAgra
This is the point where the collective shit begins to hit the fan.
The shit already hit the fan. What we’re feeling now is the spray.
As for Richy Rich and all his rich neighbors, the paper trail has lead them all down the path of an overall loss of 9% value of all but a few name brands. Yeah, it hurts – but just a little. The kicker is the tax writeoff on capital losses. I don’t get to claim a loss on increased milk, gas or healthcare costs on my &*!#@x@!* 1040 next April.
We’re in for a hard landing, and the sole birght spot is it spells relentless doom at the ballot box for the fascists who have run the country into the fence (through the fence?)
Diane @ 42
I’m not so sure. For a lot of places, Wal-Mart is one of very few options. Also, I’m not so sure a lot of people understand just how much of Wal-Mart’s products are from China.
Christy,
Thanks for the advice… I paid off the note in 2003 and I can’t be bothered. I tried to get the loan records from the bank but they would not produce them. Who can spend their life fighting over $500.
You can’t fight city hall unless you are in it for the long haul.
Mad Dogs @ 49
Hey, don’t forget all those walls and patrols and minute men! The U.S. will be able to keep its people inside, never fear!
*snark off*
Good one again, Christy. I responded to you on O’Connor business at the end of the last post. It is complicated but there is no single “right way” on this.
The market and the surge are working. Dick Cheney is a steady hand. George W. Bush is one of the most well read persons ever. Karl Rove is a brilliant strategist. The miners unions endanger coalworkers. We are at war with Oceania and have always been at war with Oceania. Blah…blah….
-GSD
JF @ 15
Yep. Thompson will go around the country and go up to people on their porches, pour them a shot of Uncle Fred’s Genuine Downhome Tennessee Bourbon that his campaign had specially made in China, and tell them, “You can’t elect Hillary, she’s part of the Democratic Congress what brung this recession! Things was fine ‘afore those Democrats screwed it all up!”
Biodun @ 21
That’s the tone of some European papers this morning: the American Dream may be out of reach, etc. To me, this is a stupid cliche (no offense). The monetary politics of the last years, being credit bubble driven, have inflated the prices of simple housing skyhigh, way beyond any real value. No one shouted ‘foul’. Otherwise, everyone may still be able to afford their own roof over their head.
Rayne, yes he wears jeans to school. Knee length or longer.
It’s time for a tax break on the wealthy to stimulate some job creation… the repuke mantra.
diogenes @ 22
They did it through Home equity loans this time around.
@ 59
Can they be considered “knee length” when the waist is below the butt?
I think this following point can’t be made enough. So let’s repeat it and project the propaganda, even though it is simply the truth.
The US is at the tail end of a very long reign of Republicans.
From 8 years of Reagan, and one year of Poppy Bush to 8 years of centrist Clintnonism tempered by a Republican Congress to 8 years of Bush and 6 years of a Republican Congress.
This is the end result of the Republican Party getting its way for the last 2 decades.
-GSD
I think that Walmart’s down because people can’t afford to buy, even there. More people are doing without or buying 2nd hand. Not sure that the China part accounts for all that much of the losses, though I imagine it would depend on the type of product.
Katymine @14
Mortgage companies are only the first link in the lending business. They borrow money from banks, offering as collateral the notes and mortgages they are generating. Then they sell the note and mortgage, generating cash to repay the lender, and profit. They frequently remain as loan servicer, meaning they collect the loan payments, keep track of the status of the loan, and remit the payments, less a small fee, to the owner.
So, if they go bankrupt, it is rare for them even to be holding more than a few notes themselves. They own a servicing business, perhaps a small portfolio of loans, and a now worthless mortgage generating business. They presumable would use a chapter 11 proceeding to sell off the mortgages and the servicing business. The cash would go to their lenders, and little if any will be available to pay any trade creditor.
If you have a Countrywide loan, you probably really owe the money to someone else, and Countrywide probably only acts as the servicer. So, in the event it failed, you would eventually get a notice to send your payments somewhere else. That is the only change you will see.
JF @ 62
Mom won’t buy them with the waist big enough to fit around the butt. Had this discussion Monday. :)
If this keeps up, people aren’t going to be able to refinance to get the cash to make their mortgage payments. And then where will we be? ;-)
I think George Will expressing glee at the closing of Antioch College missed the point of petrie dishes. Antioch led the country socially by about two to three years. What happened there, seemed to be a precurroser of what is to come.
And so I fear other institutions will start to run out of money too. Already the Minneapolis Library collapsed for over spending and St. Paul is on the edge facing a huge shortfall. Our poor US Budget Director keeps saying we can’t keep charging everything… the country is bankrupt.
We will have to re exam and relearn the old ideas of sharing the wealth.
GSD @ 63
I hope you’re right. The time may be right for another New Deal type president. Of course, look what had to happen before the New Deal came along.
Mad Dogs @ 19
you joke?. it’s real (via the agonist)
Here’s an assessment from The Economist (I don’t always agree with its slant, but it seems right on on this one):
PB (peanut butter) @ 46
They injected 200 billion dollars, or about 150 billion Euros, at the end of last week, while the FED only injected a fifth of that. It has been a trickle of a few billion more here and there this week.
it seems like the $50 is what the $20 used to be.
much of the stock market appreciation can be seen as merely keeping place with the inflation.
The King prints money to fund his wars. the usual story.
Diane @ 42
Diane, I take a more adversarial view of these “global” money machines.
The management folks at WalMart, Mattel, ADM, etc. all seem to have been asleep at the wheel when it came to the products they sub-contracted to China.
I guess all those MBAs they hired forgot all about “Due Diligence” in their haste to climb the corporate ladder.
Of course, they would also never acknowledge the old adage of “You break it, you own it!”.
The corporatists never pay the bills. It’s in their contract, doncha know?
BTW, did you know what MBA really stands for? Tis “Mine Before All!”
wigwam @ 67
Well, they should not get the cash for the mortgage payments from refi’s in the first place. How sick this game is.
Just to ask…. what is considered too much personal debt??
My personal debt – my mortgage payments.
The mortgage note is $850.00 per month (includes escrow for property tax and property insurance) and my take home pay is in round numbers $2900.00 per month. I have no outstanding credit card debt, or car payments, and all bills are paid in full every month (credit cards, gas, electric, cable, etc).
Washington mutual owns my mortgage and I’ve heard that they’re getting ’sick’. How do I separate my property tax and home owners insurance from them??
My mom passed away in March leaving me the beneficiary of her insurance, I’ve haven’t touched that money (think I’m still in the denial phase). I’ve felt foolish for not investing, relieved now that I didn’t, and confused about what to do in the future.
And then this grim possibility:
christine @ 76
You are what is known in the industry as “a deadbeat.”
Me too.
This may be a good time to suggest a special weekend entertainment: The “Money Masters” video, for free on youtube. Advice: watch it in installments, it is 2 hours long.
For those of you who don’t already know about it, here is a link to Angry Bear. It is a blog run by three economists. Quite good analysis and commentary.
Angry Bear- economics blog
The Republican rhetoric can be thrown back at them now. “They won because America is conservative.” They had the “Reagan Revolution” and the 1994 “Republican Revolution”. “America is a conservative country”. “Redstate America”.
They have been claiming America as their baby and the economy a result of their economic policies and now they are going to have to try and step away from the abortion they administered.
We can’t let them do that, even though they will try.
-GSD
Biodun @ 21
I saw a friend who is a Realtor over the weekend and he said the normal office listing of REOs (Real Estate Owned) properties — which mean forclosures, primarily — was normally a two – three page listing, at most. Currently, his own office listing is at 25 pages and the mortgage lender called last Friday to say that there were 10 more pages for a total of 35 pages of REOs.
He said many of these properties will eventually be offloaded for 50-60 percent of the home value when it was foreclosed. That’s not going to help mortgage lenders, new home starts, or families seeking mortgages. That hurts everyone.
The de-regulation of the Mortgage lending system in the Reagan era is ONCE AGAIN coming home to roost. You’d think Neil Bush would have taught some folks a lesson. Sadly, no.
I forgot to add that Roubini’s partner on the site, Brad Setser, also explains quite a bit of what is happening from the foreign exchange and investment perspective and the impact of US trade deficits with China.
http://www.rgemonitor.com/blog/setser
Mad Dogs @ 74 – point taken, they share culpability & the brands will probably be hurt more than the manufacturer in China or WalMart.
MBA – ha ha!
Diane @ 77
I’m so sorry about your mother.
Bush has no credibility and unfortunately the economy runs on credibility.
GuyFromOhio @ 51
I think of this every time I put gas in my tank. It’s pillow talk at home, since my spouse is upper management; how does he keep staff content, knowing his budget doesn’t permit any changes to payroll, and knowing that every time oil goes up that his staff are effectively realizing a cut in income. This quarter was not good, company took a beating, and it might get worse as winter comes with energy expenses. There’s no wiggle room left; if he loses an employee to a better job elsewhere, he may not be able to afford to replace them. But he can’t blame them given the loss in buying power over the last couple of years.
Grim times ahead.
I’ve been saying this for about a year guys, (or when it was first reported the m3 index isn’t being made public anymore)
m3 is the index that USED to tell us how much paper money we are dumping onto the planet
this president is printing more paper then anyone can possibly imagine and he HAD TO ELIMINATE MAKEING THE M3 INDEX PUBLIC
printing money is what happens when we take on debt, it’s the reason there was so much inflation during vietnam
there’s only one thing that surprises me and that is that it’s taken so long for inflation to begin
I have been advising my friends to purchase assets now because they will get less on the dollar from hence forward
christine @ 76
Christine – you are doing wonderfully. Financial planners recommend that your housing costs be no more than 25% of your Gross income. Most people cannot do this (in NY, the actual is closer to 50%). Other non-secured debt (credit cards. student loans, etc) should be no more than 10% of gross.
Subprime or Subcrime? Time To Investigate and Prosecute by Danny Schechter
There comes a time when the frame of a news story changes. It happened in Iraq when the “war for Iraqi freedom” became seen as a bloody occupation, not a beneficent liberation. It is happening as the war on terror is increasingly perceived a war of error and when voting problems are reframed as electoral fraud.
And it will happen in the economic arena too, when we see the “subprime” credit crunch for what it is: a sub-crime ponzi scheme in which millions of people are losing their homes because of criminal and fraudulent tactics used by financial institutions that pose as respectable players in a highly rigged casino-like market system.
Suddenly, after years of denial and inattention, the press has discovered hat they call “the credit crisis.” Vague words like “woes” are still being used to mask a financial calamity that some analysts are already calling an apocalpyse as lenders go under and the Stock Market melts downs.
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I’m not kidding. It is time to fire up the Victory Gardens again.
OT – even though congress is in recess, the Senate Judiciary Committee has a hearing scheduled for next week…
Monday, August 20, 2007
10 am – Senate Judicary
“Return of subpoenas regarding the legal justifications for the President’s warrantless wiretapping program from 2001 to 2007″
sounds like it could be interesting?
Subprime or Subcrime? Time To Investigate and Prosecute
by Danny Schechter
There comes a time when the frame of a news story changes. It happened in Iraq when the “war for Iraqi freedom” became seen as a bloody occupation, not a beneficent liberation. It is happening as the war on terror is increasingly perceived a war of error and when voting problems are reframed as electoral fraud.
And it will happen in the economic arena too, when we see the “subprime” credit crunch for what it is: a sub-crime ponzi scheme in which millions of people are losing their homes because of criminal and fraudulent tactics used by financial institutions that pose as respectable players in a highly rigged casino-like market system.
Suddenly, after years of denial and inattention, the press has discovered hat they call “the credit crisis.” Vague words like “woes” are still being used to mask a financial calamity that some analysts are already calling an apocalpyse as lenders go under and the Stock Market melts downs.
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Well America, the waiter has finally made it to the table with the bill and the lobster is finished, the steak is gone the fine champagne bottles are all empty and George W. Bush, the man who invited you to dinner “on him” is telling you that he left his wallet in the car and he’ll be right back.
-GSD
BobbyG @ 79
I absolutely refuse to buy without having ‘cash in hand’, but I put just about everything on the card and pay it each month. Saves on writing checks or carrying cold hard cash. I still remember all the fights my parents had over money. I also grew up when there were no credit cards (except those special cards for paticular stores that were given to special customers).
GeorgeSimian @ 87
It also runs on currency, and that currency is now tied up in the Iraq war misadventure. Here at home, the unions have gone pretty much belly up, tanking middle class incomes, so these folks have less and less money to spend AND to bank. More and more companies also have jumped to island based “homes” so they are not adding tax money for currency cirulation either.
lisadawn82 – thanks, my friends at the Lake have helped me get through a very difficult time in my life.
I was listening to Rush Limbaugh in the car yesterday (Air America won’t come in) and he had Karl Rove on the phone. Karl went on and on about how he and Bush have had a contest going to see who can read the most books per year. They both got interested in John D. MacDonald novels and both read a slew of them, and I just had to wonder – with the economy going to hell, the war in Iraq, etc., this is how the leader of the free world and his top advisor spend their time?
When do you think the hoarding will begin?
Rayne @ 88
And the real pisser is it just didn’t need to be this way. We could be sitting fat and happy in the greatest burst of peacetime prosperity and technological advancement since the freakin telegraph was implemented. This country could be in it’s finest hour — and should be. Instead, a bunch of fear mongering bullies have taken the cream off the top and left the watery residue for the rest of us. I hate to say it, but the meme that the economy was doing OK was one of the last things that kept Bush’s approval rating from absolute zero. If this is what it takes to really implement a change in the whole American perception, then let’s ban together and stick it out.
Maybe folks will realize that a little taking care of the American welfare will mean that we all fare well.
Boots on the ground?
I’m hoping that it’s ONLY the rich greedheads who get hurt in this thing, but fear that the housing difficulties will make it felt by middle/blue collars.
However, the mood should be American Pioneer all the way:
Grow a garden (built yourself a small greenhouse, you in the north)
Try “clothes trading” with friends
Make presents for Christmas this year – and insist the whole family does the same (a kid writing a poem as a gift is good)
and so on. I know firedogs can think of a lot of things to do for ourselves, just like our parents/grandparents did. I’d love to get off the financial grid, even tho I’m not particularly in danger in this downturn.
BTW, I predict that homemade kids’ toys/clothes will be in big demand this year, since China doesn’t care if it injures kids.
Just a few thoughts.
Robert Reardon @ 97
I’m sure they take baths together too…while reading their favorite books, of course.
*rolling eyes at the reading books part*
But……but……but……the preznit says the economy is doing just great. And the nasty ol’ liberal media doesn’t want to tell us the good news. I DEMAND good news.
/snark off
Robert Reardon @ 97
Apparently that is why Bush didn’t have time to read the Presidential Daily Briefs on terrorism.
-GSD
This is part of Rove’s hagiography in his attempts to bury the intellectual lightweight themes surrounding George Dubya and try to rewrite Bush as being a great mind, a heavy reader and a lover of history.
selise at 92 — I don’t know that this is an actual hearing, or whether it is a staff note that a return of subpoena information is expected based on the ones that previously went out to the DOJ and to Fielding and others. Theoretically, the information requested should come back in to the committee in response to subpoena.
I have a query out to judiciary committee staffers to see if they plan on holding a hearing or if this is a calendar notation that the information is due.
The real estate market is “correcting”- which is painful but necessary. The prices we were looking at 2-3 years ago were cotton candy- all fluff and no substance.
Unfortunately- this correction is going to be very painful. Most saw it coming five years ago- but our prez did nothing about it- cause he doesn’t like economic unpleasantness and thought that bottom might not drop out until he was out of office.
Fuckhead!!
A crotchety 99 yr old woman I know had this to say while reminising about the ‘old days’ a few years ago: “A depression is coming and that’s a true fact, much worse than the nineteen thirties. People don’t believe it, but it’s coming,” she says with a subtle hint of a smug smile.
I felt a chill when I read her words as related by a niece.
Someone has pointed out that when you are of little means the fall from the sidewalk to the gutter is a short trip.
If you are wealthy, the fall from the penthouse to the gutter is alot more painful.
-GSD
The scariest thing in Bush and Rove’s life right now is the rear-view mirror.
-GSD
My brother and I own a retail business. It’s results track consistently with the economy..July stunk and August appears to be heading in the same direction. I predict at least a mild recession.
I live in a resort town, the housing market is going downhill. I am an excavator and my work is slowing down. What is still going strong here are high end homes. I am not by any means an economist but what I see coming will make this little downturn look like a walk in the park.
You cannot borrow the amount of money we have borrowed,
while at the same time outsourcing all of our hard goods industries,
while at the same time not protecting our trade goods, and no tariffs protection on imports,
while at the same time spending a million dollars a minute/hour? (not sure which, in a war that is a total disaster in human cost, and is running our country into the ground.
we are in serious, no, very serious trouble.
Christine@76
I agree with Helen@90–your situation sounds very sound economically. I am not a lawyer or financial advisor, but I don’t think that the problems with your mortgage holder will have a direct impact on you. They may not even still be holding the mortgage if it has been repackaged and sent to another entity. For your piece of mind you might want to consult someone who understands the issues involved and can find out about Washington Mutual.
Which is why they are both are so consumed with what history will say about the Bush reign, to the point of making it an out-loud fetish.
-GSD
Also, if I can put in my two cents about investing:
Look into INDEX FUNDS. These funds are linked to an index, such as the “wilshire 5000″ which tracks only the top companies in all markets, NYSE, Amex, nsad, etc. so any downturn is modified: that means that you can certainly find an indivdual stock or two that might make you more money, they are also so much more risky. A second advantage to an index fund is that it HAS NO MANAGEMENT FEES, like a mutual fund does, so you get all the cash yourself.
It’s not hard to go to Vanguard (dot com, I think) and ask for a list of their offerings. Go to investor words (dot com) and find out what their prospectus is saying.
two recent conversations in which neither neither can afford adequate health care. One won’t leave her alcoholic husband because of his h/c benefits the other won’t marry her partner just to ‘get’ his h/c benefits.
from a deadhead deadbeat
Diane @ 77
My condolences on your loss. Wrt the money, if you haven’t done so already, put enough of it in a savings account to cover at least 6 months of expenses.
After that, maybe invest the remainder in precious metals (gold or platinum)?
johnSwifty @ 99
Yes. Bush tossed aside opportunities like used tissues. Post-hurricane reconstruction should have been an enormous opportunity for job growth, but it was merely a socio-economic-ethnic cleansing opportunity instead. Development of sustainable, non-fossil fuel energy technologies could have been the new Marshall Plan, returning us to our place as technology exporter instead of technology importer. We should never have faced a nursing shortage, since training and hiring more nurses is cheaper than increased pharma expenses along with increased mortality rates.
Makes me want to heave thinking about it all.
And yes, boots on the street, but effective boots — we need to beat on the doors of the media conglomerates and the moguls that own them and tell them to quit the hype and spin so that all of us can make truly informed decisions.
Biodun @ 21
I worked in risk management for 5 years in subprime credit cards till Feb 2005, when I had to quit or go crazy. Our execs laughed at our customers’ financial ineptitude, all while cleaning out their pockets. Subbies typically load up their cards to their credit lines in about 5 months or less, then start getting whacked with overlimit fees (in addition to the absurd interest rates). So, one of the bank’s new strategies — that helped drive me out the door — was to e.g., book 100,000 new accounts with a line of $1,000. Now, in less than 6 months you bundle them up into a block of “securitized debt” and sell this nominal 100 million dollar puppy in the financial markets. It will have a risk-adjusted future value that buyers will bid on. We no longer own the debt, so now we go out and book another 100,000 accounts.
Lather, rinse, repeat. Lather, rinse, repeat. Lather, rinse, repeat. Lather, rinse, repeat. Lather, rinse, repeat…
Handsome fees to be made all around. In fact, a favorite saying at the bank was “The Best Things in Life Are FEE.”
Subbies also take a lot of cash advances. At our bank the modal (most frequent) cash advance was 20 bucks, for which you paid an immediate $5 “cash advance fee” in addition to the even higher interest (plus the ATM vendor’s typical $1.50 fee). Subbies are paying about an annualized 400% rate for that money.
We called ‘em the “7-11 beer, chips, gas, & ATM crowd.”
No wonder they stay in suffocating debt.
Then the industry lobbied successfully to get themselves positioned at the top of the repayment pecking order under bankruptcy “reform.”
Lexus Row in the executive covered parking area at our bank.
I now carry $43,500 in credit lines in my wallet (across 3 cards). I pay them all in full, every month. I am a “deadbeat.”
sofistic @ 98
But doesn’t this also require that people have something to hoard to begin with? What do all the people up to their noses in debt have to hoard?
One of the reasons I’m canning & freezing all the fresh food I can get my hands on.
Folks, any investment advice or otherwise from other commenters should, as always, be prudently read with a grain of salt. Educate yourselves…and don’t think that this blog is endorsing any particular course of action because, to be honest, there is no one right way to manage things at the moment. Just my two cents…but never, ever take someone’s advice without thoroughly checking it out and every other option available. Have seen people learn that the hard way one too many times…
GSD @ 110
Or:
Maddy @ 110
Also currently based in resort town. I wonder how long til the high end will stall.
US Treasury Sec.: Market turmoil will hit US growth, won’t spark recession.
I think they should be warning us about the economic mushroom clouds instead of trying to make us feel better.
-GDD
rwcole @ 109
I consult for manufacturing companies, helping them to implement LEAN manufacturing concepts and optimizing information systems. Many times, these changes and optimizations mean cutting down on staff in favor of ‘automated’ systems. While this looks good, initially, on a profit and earning statement; it robs the company of its human aspect and much of the story that made them what they were.
I, too, see a recession on the horizon; and I think it will be a recession of the human aspect in America’s manufacturing arena. But something needs to be done in order to compete with overseas production advantages. It is a razor’s edge and there are no good leaders in government to aid in building a new national paradigm.
What truly scares me is the Libertarian, Ron Paul, types who simply think that pure market forces will somehow be the silver bullet that kills the monster.
In the land of no control in growth… Phoenix area now have subdivisions nearly abandoned in the outskirts…. creating problems with West Nile due to pools not being cared for, crime and vandalism.
But they still build more… there are around 50K homes on the market with new builders offering huge incentives to go new even buying the old home at a discount.
The govt has two main engines of economic control- fiscal and monetary policy. Both can be used as a throttle or a brake. Throughout the Bush years- both have been “pedal to the metal” to stimulate growth. The trouble with constant growth stimulation is that eventually the hopped up economy will start to lose traction and rather than real growth- we get inflation- indebtedness-and an eventual collapse..
“No one could ever have known that this housing market was a bubble and that it would collapse”
Bris@115:
FWIW, I no longer believe in “savings accounts” at banks: they pay nothing. What you might want to get is a month-to-month CD or three month CD. They pay way more interest that a savings account, and the money is available within 30 days if you choose month-to-month. WaMu recently had a 3 month CD that paid almost 5%. I haven’t looked into it recently, but you can easily go to 3-4 banks in your area and find the highest CD rate, and park your money there.
The Good Book says where your heart is, your treasure is also.
evidently, Cheney doesn’t think much of American investments.
http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/40796/
Breaking news on msnbc- a man in Kansas City threw his sick wife off a fourth floor balconey to her death. He kissed her good-bye and tossed her off because he could no longer afford her medical bills.
Thanks Christy for reminding everyone to take advice with a grain of salt. I surely would. My recommendations are some steps I’ve taken that have been startlingly successful for me, and I give them in that spirit only. I have no interest or gain from recommending any specific company.
GSD @ 122
Um, Paulson should have said it’s too late to duck and cover. The recession is already here, consumers won’t realize it for a quarter or so.
And Paulson’s another one who needs a whipping; unfortunately, he’s the most rational one of the Bushies. Says horrific things about the rest of them.
G. Kerby @ 33
I believe I’ve already seen rumblings to that effect in the newsp. & among a few winger-flybyes on MSMtv. Also, wasn’t admin. decision to make 3 separate dumps of cash into the pool during one mkt day kinda sign of their quiet desperation trying to avoid blame? Scary times…
shwaub noodle-head tried interesting the mr. & me in funds that were riddled with “exotic” investments last year. after reading the fine print, i asked the enterprising lad just what “exotic” meant. sure nuff! Scared us retireeees into running away from the dang stuff. Now we’re so-o-o glad. we can’t afford to support jr’s mad schemes – got just enuf to keep us from being a burden to our struggling younguns, we hope. Pure filthy greed runs this administration.
Thanks for the primer on “exotic politics” Christy and pups. I’m thinkin’ this is a valuable post and thread to pass along.
Take it away Ozzie:
Ive listened to preachers
Ive listened to fools
Ive watched all the dropouts
Who make their own rules
One person conditioned to rule and control
The media sells it and you have the role.
I’m going off the rails on a crazy train.
-GSD
GSD @ 122
itwasntme @ 100
If I remember my economic history course correctly the people who took the biggest hit during the depression were the rich folks because everyone else was already living hand to mouth. During the 20’s the wealth accumulated by the really rich rose from 24% of total to 28%. That ended up being 4% less money in circulation with crappy results. As we all know, the same thing is happening today because of the tax breaks to the extremely wealthy. The only good thing is that the FED will be a little more free with the money, I think.
Oops. Forgot my manners.
Good morning Christy & all.
Happy Birthday Wordsmith! ;->
BobbyG @ 117
Part of responsible government is providing a control for the weakest among us. If my neighbor’s house burns because she had candles lit and they caught fire to the drapes, my taxes pay (and correctly so). This sort of lending was against the law before. The same with the liberal passing out of credit cards to people with bad credit. Now these are exactly the sorts of situations businesses are looking for. I am less inclined to blame the victim here -after all we are ALL victims (stupid or unlucky, or simply behind) in one or more aspects of our lives -and rely on governement aid. The central issue here is responsible regulation.
I wish I were a deadbeat. (sigh)
rwcole @ 127
I was really working out so well for them…..snicker…snicker……
-GSD
I dont even think cow milk is good for people.
but i get the part about prices.
johnSwifty @
What truly scares me is the Libertarian, Ron Paul, types who simply think that pure market forces will somehow be the silver bullet that kills the monster.
I differentiate between what R.Paul stands for and the info that he gives, because he spelled out how M3 is not published anymore, and that the case against Iran is based on fears that it will sell its oil in Euros, therefore threatening the artificial stability of the dollar.
Richmond @ 138
Our principal regulator was the OCC (with some FDIC as well because of our secured cards’ “savings” accounts). Their main focus, however, was comfort that we were adequately “reversed” against future losses that might cost the government money. Customers’ interests were an afterthought.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 104
thanks!
i’ve never seen a calendar notation about when information is due on the hearing schedule before – but maybe things are different during august recess? or maybe this is something new that the SJC is doing to help everyone keep track of what’s going on.
please let me know what you find… i’ll post an update here if i get any further info.
itwasntme @ 100
And good thoughts, too. Doing a lot of those same things is what allowed our family to save money over the years. The garden I put in this year provides about half our food for the next month; the kids have both learned to help with coupon cutting and cost comparison (just got a school supplies list with all the comparative cost data attached, prepared by my daughter), and we’ve filled in gaps in household necessities from thrift stores. Even have laundry hanging outside to dry right now (although some of my neighbors may not be too happy), saves me 25% of my power bill.
And these things really didn’t take much money or effort. What bothers me is that far too many Americans have gotten too proud to do this stuff, have nothing but disdain for the very things that helped their grandparents survive rough times, helped put their parents and themselves through school. This excess of pride and hubris is exactly why we are in the mess we are in with the rest of the world.
cleter @ 57
Just a nit but if it’s from Tennessee or anyplace but Kentucky, it ain’t Bourbon.
itwasntme @ 126
I concur. I have a month-to-month CD at my local bank, and in the 10-day maturity window at the end of the month, I add 10% of my net pay for the month to it. It’s rolling up nicely…
sofistic @ 92
Got-er right here. Supported our dinner table over 40 yrs now. Wish we could send a few beautiful tomatoes & peppers thru the toobz to all!
BobbyG @ 119:
The practice you describe at that bank is not that surprising. I would have suspected as much. Money is like frequent-flier miles: exponential potential. The less you have, the more difficult to get credit. (As they say: banks don’t lend money to people who really need it.) The more you have, the easier it is to get more. The corporate system, aided by government monetary policy makes it easier to get more. I don’t have your kind of credit line, but I’m glad to be a deadbit as well.
Adie @ 146
Oh, the Brandywines — absolutely scrumptious right now, fat and succulent!! The peppers are gorgeous, too, think we got carried away. Have about a peck of Hungarians and I don’t know what I’m going to do with them.
And don’t turn your back on the zukes. Wicked.
Selise 92 and Christy 144
Thank you for your sharp eyes and diligent work.
I expect a lotta pups will be tuning in on that hearing.
katymine @ 14
Yeah, since our mortgage is through Countrywide, I’d like to know the answer to this too.
Thunderbird @ 147
As liquid assets become a higher commodity, banks will offer better and better rates on pure cash products. But take Christy’s words to heart. Ask some one you trust, with a BROAD experience. Because there are very volatile times ahead in the financial markets.
Fresh thread for everyone…
Food continues to be an incredible bargain in this country. You can get 20 pounds of flour or rice for about five bucks. Boneless pork loins for $2 a pound. Fruit and vegetables are inexpensive if you stick to what’s in season. No reason to starve in the US of A- but those caught with a variable rate mortgage may be in for a tough time- talked my daughter into ditching hers a couple of years ago.
Anybody out there know how to look up put options for today? On Bloomberg at about 5AM this morning, the host reported that there have been some (4) unusually large put options just bought. One is a communications company. I think they said B&G communications, which might be part of clearchannel. Anyway, it has to do with wireless towers or something. I’d like to look into it, considering the puts that were purchased early September, 2001. Anyone??
Thanks all for the good advice.
It’s hard to say if the coming crisis will bring serious inflation or deflation. Read an article that American Gypsum cut the price of wall board in half because of lack of demand. On the other hand, it’s difficult to see how the government with all its obligations (ie the FDIC) can meet them other than printing money which, of course, is inflationary.
It’s also difficult to predict what other countries, Japan and China in particular, will do. In the past they’ve eaten our debt even though that’s a losing proposition because in a real sense we are in the same boat.
More likely than not, the crisis will eventually bring about the end of capitalism. The trends are not sustainable indefinitely. As far as I’m concerned, that’s a plus.
Junya’s advice to those concerned about their financial well-being:
If your mortgage company goes bankrupt- the bankruptcy court will likely sell off the assets (including your mortgage) and spread the proceeds to creditors.
Fresh thread.
Rayne @ 145
Rayne- lots of people live in apartments in the city and can’t garden and the windows don’t open so they can’t dry the clothes outside. They work 2 or 3 jobs just to pay the rent and put clothes on their kids so they can go to school. They have NO time. Yes one can be more frugal in some ways, but this dismantling of the middle class is a much bigger thing than just tightening the belt. The gas price increases- how do you counter that, especially if you have to live further from where you work so the rent is cheaper and there is no mass transit? Hang out the wash to dry, OK, but if it rains while you are off at one of your jobs you are f’ed. I think this kind of thinking (we can tighten our belts and it will be better for us individually and as a society) is what the Rethugs want people to believe. And what if you have no insurance, and so all your money (and debt) is going to medical bills despite your best efforts? Most bankrupcy cases are now around issues of medical problems. Sorry I’m in a pissy mood today.
Now, with all this financial talk, the English major in me recalls a book that’s worth reading in the current financial environment: JR, by William Gaddis.
It’s about a pre-adolescent faux financial wizard. It’s been out of print for some time, but is probably still available in larger libraries and through inter-library loan.
It’s quite funny, written in a kind of scattershot, stream of consciousness style, and is utterly, snarkily brutal toward the kind of business world that would promote George Bush as bright man. :)
Deregulation and privatization have come home to roost; greed and exploitation rule America. The Middle Class will pay the bills till they are broke. The 21st Century Neo-Potterville.
Biodun @ 149
Sounds like the health care plans across the nation are based on the credit card scams. Need health care? Can’t have it. Don’t need it? Here you go.
Am I glad that folks had the foresight to turn their backs on Bush’s Social Security “privatization” plan. There’d be a whole lot of old people going broke together.
I know this is EPU’d but it is well worth putting up.
I outright stole this from Fixer at Alternate Brain.
what little I remember from my history classes, isn’t this what triggered the first stock market crash in ‘29?
…
Second example: today any wealthy individual can take $1 million and go to a prime broker and leverage this amount three times; then the resulting $4 million ($1 equity and $3 debt) can be invested in a fund of funds that will in turn leverage these $4 millions three or four times and invest them in a hedge fund; then the hedge fund will take these funds and leverage them three or four times and buy some very junior tranche of a CDO that is itself levered nine or ten times. At the end of this credit chain, the initial $1 million of equity becomes a $100 million investment out of which $99 million is debt (leverage) and only $1 million is equity. So we got an overall leverage ratio of 100 to 1. Then, even a small 1% fall in the price of the final investment (CDO) wipes out the initial capital and creates a chain of margin calls that unravel this debt house of cards. This unraveling of a Minskian Ponzi credit scheme is exactly what is happening right now in financial markets. [my em]
snip.
Here is the link for the rest;
http://alterx.blogspot.com/200…..l-guy.html
Fairfax @ 166
Scary. Scary. My parents just weathered Katrina. Pun intended. They started over in Mississippi. They own the house in MS. but have their money in the market (I think). Everyday I hope that they will be ok. I am not in a position to help. They have been helping us.
mulligatawny says@121
August 16th, 2007 at 8:10 am
I don’t know, there are a plethora of excavators here because we have been in a housing boom that has sustained itself over several years.
I try to figure out what all these people do for a living because the working wage here is low, some of them sold at huge profit somewhere else and came here. But a lot of them have sub prime mortgages and are way upside down financially.
Housing starts are way down, and all the above mentioned excavators have a big nut to crack with all their equipment payments. My only saving grace is that my equipment is paid for.
Let’s hope we can all hang ten on this economic tsunami because the surf’s up.
No investments here but …
There’s a whole world of socially responsible investment tools for people who do have them. Putting your money in funds and instruments that have equivalent reward/risk but also support community development and companies with good people and planet policies seems like a no-brainer yet is too rarely done on our side.
My old friends and colleagues at Social Funds have really good info on this option and their little “How to Invest in SRI Mutual Funds” is a great place to start (and it’s free). They don’t have any stake in the funds, just provide the info to help build this approach to money.
Greed did it.
This is EPU’d, and may be in the ‘it’s not broke, so don’t fix it’ category, but I respectfully suggest that FDL add an ongoing focus on economics – wonky theory to shop floor practicality.
The leading Dems are on board with the prevailing trickle-down policies, so what should be the goals and policies of a truly progressive government – on tax, credit, finance, trade, employment, manufacturing, resource management, etc.? What are the politics of getting there? This is a good time to get some alternative approaches on the table.
(I think Tula Connell’s series on labor is wonderful. I’m just suggesting expanding the focus.)
Watson @ 172
I second this. Hence in part my rant above about those who think this is just about our tightening our belts.
Very late to the party. The housing bubble like all speculative bubbles could be seen for miles and anytime in the last couple of years. It was never a question of if it would burst but when.
For me, as long as money was cheap and value of homes was increasing, the greater fool theory worked. But when the Fed began a string of slow but steady interest rises, it was only a matter of time before things hit the fan. I think the first indications of this were last fall and by the beginning of the year it was clear that the housing market had slowed. The cascade forward of the bubble became a cascade backwards as the bubble burst. As housing starts and sales decreased, house prices fell. This put increased pressures on the funky mortgage part of the market. Worse many of these mortgages were at a point where their initial conditions were set to change. So at the same time, many homeowners found their house was worth less and their payments were greatly increased. It was a double whammy.
Again I contend that this was all immensely forseeable. I had been predicting it for the last couple of years and I am no economist. So it really gripes me how market analysts and the Bush Administration profess surprise that it happened or, in the last 8 months as it happened, tried to minimize its import.
Watson @ 172
I second this suggestion! (and I also think Tula’s articles are very well done)
Biodun @ 30
My contention from day one! In debt up to our a$$e$ to China, sinking trillions into Iraq, outsourcing EVERYTHING, global warming, extreme weather anomolies…the list goes on. And, as Christy notes, whomever in the field of candidates for 08 can wrap his head and heart around this domino effect, will be far better off. We, meaning those of us in the lower and middle class, need a savior.
Watson @ 172
Ah, good. We’re finally speaking about broader possibilities than just trusting the (’neoliberal’} d’s. My greatest concern is that economic hard times could well benefit the demagogue. Fear has been selling well of late. Of all the conditions favorable to Hitler’s rise to power, for example, the economy was the most powerful. Most people will
become very self-absorbed, with little time for this democracy ‘nonsense’ which is, properly, of abiding concern to those who appreciate FDL.
Richmond @ 162
Been there. Done that. Tried living on 50 bucks a month in food stamps at one point in my life.
Hung laundry around my apartment because I couldn’t afford to use the coin-op dryers. Washed clothes in the tub by hand when I couldn’t afford the coin-op washers. Shared loads of laundry with friends when I could barely scrape up the cash for half a load. And sometimes I had to do this because I had no car, no money for a cab, or no money to put in the gas tank to get me to a laundromat.
Pots — often with soil in them — are often given away at garage sales because no one buys them. I’ve grown lettuce and herbs on my apartment balcony to keep me in greens. Swap lettuce for tomatoes with friends. If you live in warmer climate, there is food that literally goes to waste, like papayas that grow on vacant lots, or businesses that have fruit trees they thought were ornamental and weren’t. I’ve picked them, eaten them, asked when necessary before taking; sometimes people don’t want to deal with the cost and hassle of fallen fruit. No problem to me — and I’ve traded fallen apples for deer bait in exchange for a venison roast.
I’ve even gathered returnable pop cans to pay the rent; I will never look down on someone who has the industry to gather them along side the road, because they not only are working for the money, they are providing a service.
Pride. Hubris. Get over them. And don’t think for a moment that some of us who aren’t hurting badly don’t understand. We know just how precarious this situation is. If my spouse should have a heart attack (as his brother did) or require yet another surgery for a precancerous condition (we’ve been through two already), I won’t have been so out of practice that I don’t know the business end of a clothes pin. And neither will my kids.
Peterr @ 9
Yeah. What the f*** makes up “core inflation” — TV Guide & beer? Add Cheetos?
Biodun @ 30
Maybe we could just turn over our “asset” [the war in Iraq] to China and they’d wipe out our debt????
perris @ 89
It began years ago. Why do you think they took food and energy out of the inflation reports? The government has just decided that when milk goes to $4/gal, it isn’t inflation.
The other thing that’s been masking inflation is the relocation of jobs to China (and elsewhere). WalMart can keep prices low because they don’t have to pay American wages any more.
mauimom @ 180
The asset China wants is Taiwan. I’ll bet we give it to them within the year.
@ 119 BobbyG said:
And this credit card “securitized debt” is one component of the “Asset Backed Commercial Paper” (ABCP) that we’re all reading about in the news these days. Funny thing: No one wants to buy it any more. The market for it has seized up. And this is why even some money market funds, traditional pillars of stability, are being looked at askance these days. Turns out that some MMFs are customers for ABCP.
Does anyone remember what our politicians and media were rampaging about on Capitol Hill on Sept 10, 2001?
Most likely not…so here ya go.
It’s amazing, just one day before the events of 9/11, Congress and the media were beginning to ramp up their coverage on a report that the Defense Department ‘misplaced’ 2.3 Trillion dollars of taxpayers money. Six years later.. an estimated 40 cents of every dollar spent on the war on terror goes to secretive sub ‘machine gun’ contractors and outsourced intelligence agencies with absolutely no oversight. Worse yet, we are now publicly arming the enemies of our enemies…again. Prepare for the impending ‘blowback’.
Read the full article..and watch Rummey testifying 1 day before the day that changed everything
http://newssophisticate.blogsp…..ld-on.html
ticktock @ 11
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08…..uPY2nx9wcQ
GSD @ 63
Yes. Have you ever noticed that the economy seems to prosper under Democrats and tank under Republicans? For as long as I can remember, anyway. I’m sure there are exceptions, but that has been the overall trend.
johnSwifty @ 83
So what happens when the Realtors can’t handle more?
Who will have money to buy them, even at 50 cents on the dollar?
How many can the Realtors manage to handle and for how long before that causes a problem? What would be the consequence to realtors if they can’t dump ‘em over time?
Why do all these problems seem to stem from previous Republican administrations?
katymine @ 126
Bizarre!
We obviously need to stop wasting resources that way and somehow help people to utilize their wealth more productively. That’s a huge economic system reform.
Of course, this current credit crunch crisis has to be gotten through too.
We need a lot of restructuring and changes and switching from Republicans to Democratic leadership is one of the first.
The change in the credit industry follows the huge government and public debt spending as night follows day.
Energy, health care, world trade and the list just goes on and on if only the public will get up to speed and help us speed things up by getting rid of the Bush administration, like yesterday.
Yes, it is true — the economy, infrastructure, etc. — on and on — always work better under Democrats. Then WHY do Americans still vote for Republicans?
Time to stop this idiocy. I simply do not have it in me for another chapter of this — in 2008, Democrats will take over everything. They will clean up the mess and then when it is cleaned up somewhat, the GOP will get in again to mess it up again.
Jesus H. Christ! ENOUGH!
You younger folks — do not let this happen again. Do not stop being involved in politics when Dems get in. Keep THEIR feet to the fire too — and DO NOT VOTE FOR GOPERS AGAIN — EVER.