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“Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything.” (–attributed to Josef Stalin)

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Wall against Mexico. Vote rigging on both sides of the fence.

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Cage people. Control people. Try to brainwash people. Hurt people. Bully people with constant “where are your papers?” harassments. Divide people. Scare people. Spy on people. Build fences around people, and between people. Steal from the people, hand over fist. Threaten people with Darth Vader cops and guns. Force them to pay for unjust war, torture, slaughter. Exploit them in every way. One union against another. One community against another. One religion against another. One ethnic against another. One tribe against another. Sell them all guns. Profit from the conflicts that you have instigated. One market against another, both selling poisoned goods. Outsource jobs to Mexico, and when the workers there organize and demand $3/hr, instead of $2/hr, outsource to Cambodia, where you can pay $.25/hr and not be bothered with unions or human rights.

How is this different from Stalinism and Nazism, with a few new Corporate Ruler twists?

Part of what they are trying to keep out is the democracy movement that is sweeping South America, and is boiling beneath the surface in Central America.

Voting counting in Venezuela is done with open source code programming, and they handcount 55% of the votes, as a check on machine fraud.

Here, it’s done with ‘trade secret’ programmming code, owned and controlled by rightwing Bushite corporations, with 0% handcount in many places, and only 1% in the best states.

The OAS, the Carter Center, EU election monitoring groups, and local civic groups are fast achieving election transparency–and, consequently, real democracy–in Latin America, with the most progress in South America.

The fascists don’t want that transparency to come here. They don’t want democracy and social justice to sneak across the border into the U.S.A. It is barely contained in Mexico.

And they hate it when people cooperate and communicate. Tex-Mex is a cultural leak point. It might come in there–word of social justice, rumors that you can actually elect a government that serves the interests of the poor majority. Lost by a hairsbreath in Mexico (0.05%), amidst hanky-panky. Might not lose next time. That’s what the wall is for–for when Mexico joins the Bolivarian Revolution.

It’s not to keep people out. (What do the oiligarchs care about slave wages workers, on either side of the border?) It’s to keep IDEAS out. Communication. Cooperation. Common purpose. Democracy.

Now you’ve really piqued my interest.

1. Are you comfortable telling me, in this forum, what it is your work entails? If you’d rather not get specific, I’ll understand. These are strange times. We’re both biologists. Hubby taught 30 yrs, retired. We both still stay in touch with other bio-nuts, attending seminars & such. Our special retirement joy has been finally being able to visit some of the most intriguing birds in the world in their own back yards, after he’s taught ornithology for decades. ;->

2. Are you indeed a countertenor?! My favorite music by far is Baroque period. Um, yeah, I enjoy listening to countertenors hold forth. Good friend of our son’s is indeed same. Hah! Bet you weren’t expecting that, of all things, heh.

David @ 120

Sit down and shut up!!! The Decider has decided and there is NOTHING you and you little ‘protest’ can do. YOU elected him you idiots in the valley. Now you get a fence, like it or not. Send in the guard to put this protest down. After all, they’re probably not even in a ‘free speech zone’.

The part about the fence cutting through a campus is just too hilarious.
” I’m from the government and I am here to help you”.

I swear these idjits couldn’t pour piss out of a boot with the instructions printed on the heel.

Gotta love your last line. May I steal it?

I can show you another occurance: When the federal park service wanted to shut down street and build walls and fences around Independence Hall and the Liberty Bell (an irony apparantly lost on them), many people from all across the spectrum organized to prevent this. And they were successful in keeping our historic places, the birth place of American liberty, from being sealed away.

Regarding Mexico’s being in arears over keeping up their promised contribution to the water level, -um-, how do you think they feel, when this charge comes from our country, which allows the whole bloomin’ thing literally to dry up to no flow at all, except from Mexico?

booosh administration might not be bothered by making such a stoopid charge, but I’m embarrassed FOR them. Hubris anyone?!

Claimer: I work with some of those wildlife experts, and should have labeled that question as rhetorical, because you can’t design a fence that will allow a man-sized animal through but keep people out.

Ocelots were the cats I couldn’t pull off the top of my cerebrum. Thanks.

As far as IBWC agreed contributions to Rio Grande flow go, I’m not sure what the net US status is, but my understanding is that we’re current when the river becomes the border. After that, it is (mostly, modulo Rio Puerco debts to Tejas) no longer New Mexico’s problem.

BC