First?

TRex!

Now go tell the other kids.

Yes, it is rather fun to watch them froth at the mouth. Although sometimes it’s like shooting fish in a barrel, sometimes the simple enjoyments in life are the best…

TRex @ 3

Now go tell the other kids.

Just did!

GRrrr.

PB (peanut butter) @ 4

Yes, it is rather fun to watch them froth at the mouth. Although sometimes it’s like shooting fish in a barrel, sometimes the simple enjoyments in life are the best…

The Low Hanging Fruitcakes of the Right.

that picture is great, TRex

I’m not entirely sure what to make of this, but David Brooks seems to like John Edwards.

Suzanne @ 8

that picture is great, TRex

I bet the minute she gets up in the morning, it’s gone.

by the way, was there a thursday nite news dump (usually timed for right after tds and colbert film)?

TRex @ 10

Suzanne @ 8

that picture is great, TRex

I bet the minute she gets up in the morning, it’s gone.

A wee bit of background on this? Who are the two people in it, and why does Jane hate it so much? *grin*

TRex, if she takes it down, no one will know what we are talking about.

The woman is jane – not wearing my glasses so i can’t make out the dood she is holding

Well, I was away from my computer the day Chris Dodd coldcocked Billo and could only wonder what hay you all made of it that night. I mean, I don’t ever watch Billo but was channelsurfing due to an unfamiliarity with the local channel numbers and there he was! Head exploding, insulting a sitting Senator, all because of differing opinions publicly expressed on that hate site, dkos (loved him on Colbert)

Wow!

Gotta love it.

A wee bit of background on this? Who are the two people in it, and why does Jane hate it so much? *grin*

Well, it’s Jane as the Virgin Mary and a Li’l baby Kosus.

I just want to print this out, laminate it, and make it into a novena card. Carry it around with me to be used in situations of extreme trial. It has never been known to fail, etc…

TRex @ 16

A wee bit of background on this? Who are the two people in it, and why does Jane hate it so much? *grin*

Well, it’s Jane as the Virgin Mary and a Li’l baby Kosus.

I just want to print this out, laminate it, and make it into a novena card. Carry it around with me to be used in situations of extreme trial. It has never been known to fail, etc…

*snort*…funny :-)

Is it a DB special, TRex?

PB (peanut butter) @ 12

TRex @ 10

I bet the minute she gets up in the morning, it’s gone.

A wee bit of background on this? Who are the two people in it, and why does Jane hate it so much? *grin*

Inquiring minds would so love to know this nugget…!!! ;-)

Heh. Great pic, I love it. Put me down for 1000 novena cards if you print those up.

PB (peanut butter) @ 4

Yes, it is rather fun to watch them froth at the mouth. Although sometimes it’s like shooting fish in a barrel, sometimes the simple enjoyments in life are the best…

In the immortal words of Charles Pierce, “oh, Lord, did you have to make the fish so big and the barrel so small?” *g*

Suzanne @ 18

Is it a DB special, TRex?

*snort* DB Special??? *g*

finifinito @ 20

Heh. Great pic, I love it. Put me down for 1000 novena cards if you print those up.

okay, what’s a novena card?

CTuttle @ 22

Suzanne @ 18

Is it a DB special, TRex?

*snort* DB Special??? *g*

DarkBlack

althespook @ 23

finifinito @ 20

Heh. Great pic, I love it. Put me down for 1000 novena cards if you print those up.

okay, what’s a novena card?

It’s a Catholic thing. A picture of one of the saints and on the back it has facts about the saint and a series of prayers for application to the spirit of the saint for aid.

Basically laminated baseball cards, but with saints instead of athletes.

Oh, and the prayers are called novenas.

althespook @ 23

finifinito @ 20

Heh. Great pic, I love it. Put me down for 1000 novena cards if you print those up.

okay, what’s a novena card?

[sing songy voice] Someone isn’t Catholic![/sing songy voice]

Ever been to a Catholic church and seen the cards that look like bookmarks for your bible with different saints printed on them? Those are novena cards and are used to pray to specific angels and saints for specific purposes. St. Christopher is for lost travelers for example.

finifinito @ 20

Heh. Great pic, I love it. Put me down for 1000 novena cards if you print those up.

Send ten to O’Falafel, his head would explode.

Good night my friends.

From Friday’s BNA Daily Tax Report:

A former aide to convicted former Rep. Robert W. Ney (Ohio-R) was sentenced Aug. 16 by a federal judge to serve a sentence of two years of probation and pay a fine after helping authorities make the corruption case against his boss, the Justice Department said.

William J. Heaton, Ney’s former chief of staff, pleaded guilty Feb. 26 to conspiracy to commit honest services fraud in connection with an investigation into Ney and his dealings with lobbyist Jack Abramoff.

Judge Ellen Segal Huvelle of the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia imposed a two-year probation period for Heaton as well as a $5,000 fine.

“In imposing Heaton’s sentence, Judge Huvelle granted the government’s motion for a downward departure based on substantial assistance for Heaton’s cooperative efforts in the investigation of his boss, former Congressman Ney,” the Justice Department said in a release.

Heaton worked for Ney from September 2001 and started cooperating with prosecutors in June 2006. According to the Justice Department, Heaton recorded conversations he had with Ney “capturing important circumstantial evidence that statements Ney had made about matters material to the investigation were false.”

Ney resigned from Congress Nov. 3, 2006, before being sentenced to 30 months in prison on corruption charges. According to the Justice Department, Heaton was part of a conspiracy with Ney and others to receive gifts from Abramoff, the lobbyist’s associates and a foreign businessman in exchange for taking official actions on their behalf (199 DER N-1, 10/16/06) a0b3n4n5g3 .

“Those things of value included international and domestic trips, meals and drinks, concert and sporting tickets, and substantial campaign contributions and in-kind contributions such as free fund-raisers for Ney,” the department said.

Life’s been stressful for me personally, so I need all the political good news I can handle. Karl’s departure was the highlight of my week. (Unless you count news anchors explaining what turd blossom meant!)

TRex @ 25

althespook @ 23

okay, what’s a novena card?

It’s a Catholic thing. A picture of one of the saints and on the back it has facts about the saint and a series of prayers for application to the spirit of the saint for aid.

Basically laminated baseball cards, but with saints instead of athletes.

Being a catholic myself, that’s the best description I’ve ever heard of novena cards. ;-)

Buona sera, tutti!

This just in on AP via Yahoo
2 rescue workers killed in Utah mine.
bleah.

we now return to regularly scheduled LLN-FDL snarkiness.

FunnyDiva

‘Ni-ght, Betsy.

finifinito @ 27

althespook @ 23

okay, what’s a novena card?

[sing songy voice] Someone isn’t Catholic![/sing songy voice]

Ever been to a Catholic church and seen the cards that look like bookmarks for your bible with different saints printed on them? Those are novena cards and are used to pray to specific angels and saints for specific purposes. St. Christopher is for lost travelers for example.

Hey, I thought Christopher was de-sainted? Kicked out of the clubhouse?

G’night Betsy.

Suzanne @ 24

CTuttle @ 22

*snort* DB Special??? *g*

DarkBlack

Yes’m, I’m aware of DB’s prowess and works, I was agreeing with your assesment!!! 8-)

hey funnyd – how ya been

TexBetsy @ 29

Good night my friends.

Good night, Betsy, sleep well!

FunnyDiva

finifinito @ 27

althespook @ 23

okay, what’s a novena card?

[sing songy voice] Someone isn’t Catholic![/sing songy voice]

Ever been to a Catholic church and seen the cards that look like bookmarks for your bible with different saints printed on them? Those are novena cards and are used to pray to specific angels and saints for specific purposes. St. Christopher is for lost travelers for example.

And you can get those great candles with the Sacred Heart of Jesus too. That’s one of my favorite things about being Catholic. If you publish your novena in the want ads, they’re supposed to work better.

CTuttle @ 37

Suzanne @ 24

DarkBlack

Yes’m, I’m aware of DB’s prowess and works, I was agreeing with your assesment!!! 8-)

sorry – headed for corner

TexBetsy @ 29

Good night my friends.

Night, TexBetsy

do-si-do @ 35

Hey, I thought Christopher was de-sainted? Kicked out of the clubhouse?

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Bad example I guess but he was the first to spring to mind. Tells you how much of the 10 years in Catholic school took with me doesn’t it?

I’m out. 7:00 conference call tomorrow morning.

Pleasant dreams, all. Dream of the Eleventh Circuit doing right by Jose Padilla.

Sleep well, Burns.

burnspbesq @ 30

From Friday’s BNA Daily Tax Report:

A former aide to convicted former Rep. Robert W. Ney (Ohio-R) was sentenced Aug. 16 by a federal judge to serve a sentence of two years of probation and pay a fine after helping authorities make the corruption case against his boss, the Justice Department said.

William J. Heaton, Ney’s former chief of staff, pleaded guilty Feb. 26 to conspiracy to commit honest services fraud in connection with an investigation into Ney and his dealings with lobbyist Jack Abramoff.

Judge Ellen Segal Huvelle of the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia imposed a two-year probation period for Heaton as well as a $5,000 fine.

“In imposing Heaton’s sentence, Judge Huvelle granted the government’s motion for a downward departure based on substantial assistance for Heaton’s cooperative efforts in the investigation of his boss, former Congressman Ney,” the Justice Department said in a release.

Heaton worked for Ney from September 2001 and started cooperating with prosecutors in June 2006. According to the Justice Department, Heaton recorded conversations he had with Ney “capturing important circumstantial evidence that statements Ney had made about matters material to the investigation were false.”

Ney resigned from Congress Nov. 3, 2006, before being sentenced to 30 months in prison on corruption charges. According to the Justice Department, Heaton was part of a conspiracy with Ney and others to receive gifts from Abramoff, the lobbyist’s associates and a foreign businessman in exchange for taking official actions on their behalf (199 DER N-1, 10/16/06) a0b3n4n5g3 .

“Those things of value included international and domestic trips, meals and drinks, concert and sporting tickets, and substantial campaign contributions and in-kind contributions such as free fund-raisers for Ney,” the department said.

Wow, wearing a wire will give you two years probation and cost ya $5K, eh??? I wonder what it would of cost him if he didn’t wear it…??? ;-)

Novena cards must be great. Since I was raised a flabby Methodist, I know nothing of such things, however, since I live in LA I have been taken by the “saint candles” in the supermarket, and I have the St. Jude one at home. St. Jude is the go-to guy for lost causes, and I light ‘em up when news of Bushco is bad

Don’t forget St. Jude, the Patron Saint of Lost Causes…check out this handy site for complete saint info.

Suzanne @ 38

hey funnyd – how ya been

Hey, Suzanne!
Surviving, I guess. I’ve been around the Lake, just mostly lurking. Trying to keep a reasonable sleep schedule for when (fingers crossed) I go back to work. But I miss all y’all. I just wish the news wasn’t so predominantly depressing…got a bit saturated, I think.

But I manage to get through 2-3 full comment threads a day and most of the front pages…

How are you? Missed your dive at Late-Night, how was it?

FunnyDiva

TexBetsy @ 29

Good night my friends.

Night TexB. stay warm and dry!

Dang, a bunch of sleepy pups are departin’!!! Aloha Oe!!!

Being a catholic myself, that’s the best description I’ve ever heard of novena cards. ;-)

I was not raised Catholic. Episcopalian here, but when I went through my early teen hyper-religious phase (which was followed closely by my coming out), I became fascinated with Catholicism and told my parents I was going to convert.

I was about ten or eleven, I think. I remember my mom patting me on the head and telling me that we could go to the High Church episcopalian services if I was that desperate for (as she said) “the full smells and bells worship experience”, i.e., incense and chanting and elaborate vestiments and all that.

burnspbesq @ 44

I’m out. 7:00 conference call tomorrow morning.

Pleasant dreams, all. Dream of the Eleventh Circuit doing right by Jose Padilla.

night bbq

FunnyD, it was a belly flop

Anyway, my point was that I came to the trappings of the catholic church as an outsider, so I was fascinated with novena cards and rosaries and the more talismanic manifestations of faith.

Rosaries are pretty, anyway.

TRex @ 52

Being a catholic myself, that’s the best description I’ve ever heard of novena cards. ;-)

I was not raised Catholic. Episcopalian here, but when I went through my early teen hyper-religious phase (which was followed closely by my coming out), I became fascinated with Catholicism and told my parents I was going to convert.

I was about ten or eleven, I think. I remember my mom patting me on the head and telling me that we could go to the High Church episcopalian services if I was that desperate for (as she said) “the full smells and bells worship experience”, i.e., incense and chanting and elaborate vestiments and all that.

‘Speaking in Tongues?’ ;-)

TJ @ 31

Life’s been stressful for me personally, so I need all the political good news I can handle. Karl’s departure was the highlight of my week. (Unless you count news anchors explaining what turd blossom meant!)

Yup. But nothing compares with hearing cute female news anchors saying “dried presidential semen.”

Suzanne @ 54

FunnyD, it was a belly flop

Owww, dang! That’s gotta hurt.
In honor of that Miami jury, I suppose?
Hope that was only off the 2m board and not the 10m!

FunnyD

Funnydiva2002 @ 49

Hey, Suzanne!
How are you? Missed your dive at Late-Night, how was it?

FunnyDiva

Suzanne couldn’t possibly have expected to encounter snow on the diving board, in August, now could she?

TRex @ #52,

I was about the same age – 7th grade – when I read “Exodus.” I told my mom that I wanted to convert from Lutheranism to Judaism. She laughed. Then she explained to me how tough circumcision is on 12-year-old boys.

‘Speaking in Tongues?’ ;-)

No, I told you I came out AFTER my hyper religious phase.

hi everyone,

I’m mostly lurking now since things have gone to pot with that car i got just recently to replace the Geo Metro that got ate by a pothole. Getting tips from a front on how to figure out what’s wrong with it in addition to the near 700$ i just SPENT on getting the head gasket replaced. And the silly thing is still nearly overheating on me. *sighs*

I’m tired of bad luck right now, seeings as i just got this car at the end of may. Used 95 Dodge Spirit. I’m not pleased at the moment.

Exactly, RonD.

Hey ET – Big Mitch was on earlier but you just missed him.

finifinito @ 43

do-si-do @ 35

Hey, I thought Christopher was de-sainted? Kicked out of the clubhouse?

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Bad example I guess but he was the first to spring to mind. Tells you how much of the 10 years in Catholic school took with me doesn’t it?

That’s OK, I really have a not so buried agenda about being one who is not Catholic being married to one who is, PLUS, having always had St. Christopher medal envy when growing up. A special medal of protection for those belonging to the club who consider me a heathen. or something. So…this is why I track on St. Christopher thing. I am NOT bitter. ;) I wanted a blue one.

Catholic rituals cannot be rivaled by any religious order anywhere. If you really want to see a proper religious ceremony try going to Midnight Mass on Christmas at your local Catholic church. Or to the funeral of a Catholic priest. they really go all out with the bells, whictles, gadgets and gizmos used by the Church for such ceremonies. Catholic weddings that have a full Mass performed are beautiful too.

But lets not forget Romans did great rituals too…before they fed people to lions.

aliasofwestgate @ 62

hi everyone,

I’m mostly lurking now since things have gone to pot with that car i got just recently to replace the Geo Metro that got ate by a pothole. Getting tips from a front on how to figure out what’s wrong with it in addition to the near 700$ i just SPENT on getting the head gasket replaced. And the silly thing is still nearly overheating on me. *sighs*

I’m tired of bad luck right now, seeings as i just got this car at the end of may. Used 95 Dodge Spirit. I’m not pleased at the moment.

dude! that totally sucks. I’m sorry. Swear at it a few times for me, too, OK?

FunnyDiva
wannabe foul-mouthed fem blog commenter
former owner of a 1986 Jaguar XJ6

Suzanne @ 14

The woman is jane – not wearing my glasses so i can’t make out the dood she is holding

Markos, yes?

Funnydiva2002 @ 58

Suzanne @ 54

FunnyD, it was a belly flop

Owww, dang! That’s gotta hurt.
In honor of that Miami jury, I suppose?
Hope that was only off the 2m board and not the 10m!

FunnyD

I’m just glad it wasn’t from the platform. *g*

seemed appropriate after the day’s news

Speaking of Roman Catholicism:
Monty Python’s Every Sperm is Sacred.

Jenna Bush is engaged! Not sure who the poor bastard is but good luck joining The Family dewd.

aliasofwestgate @ 62

hi everyone,

I’m mostly lurking now since things have gone to pot with that car i got just recently to replace the Geo Metro that got ate by a pothole. Getting tips from a front on how to figure out what’s wrong with it in addition to the near 700$ i just SPENT on getting the head gasket replaced. And the silly thing is still nearly overheating on me. *sighs*

I’m tired of bad luck right now, seeings as i just got this car at the end of may. Used 95 Dodge Spirit. I’m not pleased at the moment.

Aw, honey.

*pats you on the arm*

Come here and I’ll fix you a cup of tea.

Fucking cars, man. They fuck you and they fuck you and they fuck you. First you have to pay for all the tags and taxes and insurance and then they suck up money in gas and then…they break. And you have to choke up hundreds if not thousands of dollars just to have your shitty car back.

Because I don’t know about you guys, but I’m so poor that when something breaks on my car, it stays broken until the car dies, unless it’s something that actually:

1. Keeps the car from moving.
2. Will get me arrested, like a tail-light.

So, you cough up all that money to get your car back and what’s the first thing you have to do? Put a bunch of gas in it.

There are days when I vehemently hate having to own a car, so I know your pain, girl. I swear to god. [/big dog]

aliasofwestgate @ 62

hi everyone,

I’m mostly lurking now since things have gone to pot with that car i got just recently to replace the Geo Metro that got ate by a pothole. Getting tips from a front on how to figure out what’s wrong with it in addition to the near 700$ i just SPENT on getting the head gasket replaced. And the silly thing is still nearly overheating on me. *sighs*

I’m tired of bad luck right now, seeings as i just got this car at the end of may. Used 95 Dodge Spirit. I’m not pleased at the moment.

that is so sucky. i am so sorry :(

To quote from that great philosopher, Ferris Bueller, I don’t even have a piece of shit to complain about.

finifinito @ 70

Jenna Bush is engaged! Not sure who the poor bastard is but good luck joining The Family dewd.

Roves former intern. I swear.

finifinito @ 70

Jenna Bush is engaged! Not sure who the poor bastard is but good luck joining The Family dewd.

Not so poor – an intern to TurdBlossom. Rich future of rat-fucking the US…

finifinito @ 70

Jenna Bush is engaged! Not sure who the poor bastard is but good luck joining The Family dewd.

Ha! I saw that today and said
“What Ho! A bright shiny object providing a bright shiny object!” so to speak…

FunnyD

Suzanne,

Both Mitch and I have been busy. I spent 11 hours today and 10 yesterday writing parts for an orchestra piece I’ve gotta have to the conductor early next week, before I take off for performances of another piece in Sitka, Juneau and Haines. I’m getting pretty excited. I haven’t been ashore in those three towns since 1991, have good friends there, and the musicians I’ll be working with are top flight, to say the least. If you click on “composers” in the link above, you can see the worst picture EVAH of me in a bowtie…

TRex @ 61

‘Speaking in Tongues?’ ;-)

No, I told you I came out AFTER my hyper religious phase.

Heh! My Bad…!!! ;-)

Suzanne @ 73

finifinito @ 70

Jenna Bush is engaged! Not sure who the poor bastard is but good luck joining The Family dewd.

Roves former intern. I swear.

Oy vey. That is so Gestalt I can’t stand it!

newtonusr @ 74

finifinito @ 70

Jenna Bush is engaged! Not sure who the poor bastard is but good luck joining The Family dewd.

Not so poor – an intern to TurdBlossom. Rich future of rat-fucking the US…

I wonder if this means he’s gonna start to look like Karl? That would be poetic justice.

aliasofwestgate @ 62

hi everyone,

I’m mostly lurking now since things have gone to pot with that car i got just recently to replace the Geo Metro that got ate by a pothole. Getting tips from a front on how to figure out what’s wrong with it in addition to the near 700$ i just SPENT on getting the head gasket replaced. And the silly thing is still nearly overheating on me. *sighs*

I’m tired of bad luck right now, seeings as i just got this car at the end of may. Used 95 Dodge Spirit. I’m not pleased at the moment.

i drove my dad’s Duster back when.
then owed and drove to destruction a Neon.
Conclusion:
Buy NO Plymouth, Dodge, Chrysler products.
good luck.

finifinito @ 65

Catholic rituals cannot be rivaled by any religious order anywhere. If you really want to see a proper religious ceremony try going to Midnight Mass on Christmas at your local Catholic church. Or to the funeral of a Catholic priest. they really go all out with the bells, whictles, gadgets and gizmos used by the Church for such ceremonies. Catholic weddings that have a full Mass performed are beautiful too.

But lets not forget Romans did great rituals too…before they fed people to lions.

You might enjoy an older book called “Once a Catholic…” with interviews of celebrities like Martin Scorsese and Chris Buckley. George Carlin says “The Catholic Church really knows how to put on a show!”

I say this with all due respect. I love Catholics!!! They have fun. really!

Suzanne @ 73

finifinito @ 70

Jenna Bush is engaged! Not sure who the poor bastard is but good luck joining The Family dewd.

Roves former intern. I swear.

Takes “keepin’ it in the family” into truly yucky territory. Why couldn’t it have been Bush’s valet? :)

ET, that picture – were you going through a mob gangster phase?

newtonusr @ 74

finifinito @ 70

Jenna Bush is engaged! Not sure who the poor bastard is but good luck joining The Family dewd.

Not so poor – an intern to TurdBlossom. Rich future of rat-fucking the US…

Another generation(or two?) of Kudzu arises…!!! 8-(

Suzanne @ 83

ET, that picture – were you going through a mob gangster phase?

With a smile like that? Come on. I got the bowtie at Harrod’s.

Ed*ard Teller @ 76

Suzanne,

Both Mitch and I have been busy. I spent 11 hours today and 10 yesterday writing parts for an orchestra piece I’ve gotta have to the conductor early next week, before I take off for performances of another piece in Sitka, Juneau and Haines. I’m getting pretty excited. I haven’t been ashore in those three towns since 1991, have good friends there, and the musicians I’ll be working with are top flight, to say the least. If you click on “composers” in the link above, you can see the worst picture EVAH of me in a bowtie…

ET

You _could_ give them a better head shot, you know!
My violin/viola teacher of many, many years (of my mis-spent youth) went to Oberlin. I think there’s still an Oberlin Alum or 2 in the Seattle Symphony.

Hope you had a good visit with your Mom in Burien. Any plans to be back in the area in the near future?

FunnyD

Suzanne @ 83

ET, that picture – were you going through a mob gangster phase?

He has a bit of a Christopher Walken like quality doesn’t he?

yellowdog jim @ 80

aliasofwestgate @ 62

hi everyone,

I’m mostly lurking now since things have gone to pot with that car i got just recently to replace the Geo Metro that got ate by a pothole. Getting tips from a front on how to figure out what’s wrong with it in addition to the near 700$ i just SPENT on getting the head gasket replaced. And the silly thing is still nearly overheating on me. *sighs*

I’m tired of bad luck right now, seeings as i just got this car at the end of may. Used 95 Dodge Spirit. I’m not pleased at the moment.

i drove my dad’s Duster back when.
then owed and drove to destruction a Neon.
Conclusion:
Buy NO Plymouth, Dodge, Chrysler products.
good luck.

Mopar sucks!!!

finifinito @ 65

Catholic rituals cannot be rivaled by any religious order anywhere. If you really want to see a proper religious ceremony try going to Midnight Mass on Christmas at your local Catholic church. Or to the funeral of a Catholic priest. they really go all out with the bells, whictles, gadgets and gizmos used by the Church for such ceremonies. Catholic weddings that have a full Mass performed are beautiful too.

But lets not forget Romans did great rituals too…before they fed people to lions.

i would dare say the Tibetan Buddhists could give them a run for their money.

OK gang, keep fighting for truth with foul mouths and femblogging.

I just can’t get enough of that phrase, what with the alliteration and assonance and ##########. Truly choice.

I’m off to confession. See ya.

I wonder if this means he’s gonna start to look like Karl? That would be poetic justice.

Actually, he’s the only one of them that doesn’t look like Karl.

fini, glad to see that i wasn’t the only one who picked up on that

Ed*ard Teller @ 76

the musicians I’ll be working with are top flight, to say the least.

OMG, ET – you’re on the same page with P.D.Q. Bach!

‘night, do-si-do!

aliasofwestgate @ 62

hi everyone,

I’m mostly lurking now since things have gone to pot with that car i got just recently to replace the Geo Metro that got ate by a pothole. Getting tips from a front on how to figure out what’s wrong with it in addition to the near 700$ i just SPENT on getting the head gasket replaced. And the silly thing is still nearly overheating on me. *sighs*

I’m tired of bad luck right now, seeings as i just got this car at the end of may. Used 95 Dodge Spirit. I’m not pleased at the moment.

Good vibes, AOW. Been having my own share of bad news here, too. things slowly getting better here, so hopefully yours will too.

*waving to all the leaving sleepy pups*

Alias, a bit of advice on your car troubles. Abandon the Sprint immediately. Take the $500-1000 you will spend over the next six months patching that beast together and buy an older Oldsmobile with a 350 engine. The parts are cheap and every redneck in America knows how to repair the 350 engine and will do so for you for free on the hope that you might bat your eyes at him across a table for ten minutes at the watering hole one night.

Alicia @ 93

Ed*ard Teller @ 76

the musicians I’ll be working with are top flight, to say the least.

OMG, ET – you’re on the same page with P.D.Q. Bach!

Just so’s you know he’s not telling us a Tall Tale about top flight musicians.

I thought Dr. Schickele had retired the PDQ Bach act? Or is he (PDQ) Back, so to speak?

FunnyD

Thanks guys,

*grins tiredly* Seems like there are radiator fan issues as well, from our guesswork. Gonna try a few easy tests on my own, and with any luck i can fix them on my own. I’m not overly mechanically inclined but i DO have some skill on my own with it. Just annoyed that i have to do them in the first place.

I wonder if we could start some kind of pay it forward thing here at FDL. I bet each of us, no matter what are troubles are, has something that could help someone else here.

do-si-do @ 90

OK gang, keep fighting for truth with foul mouths and femblogging.

I just can’t get enough of that phrase, what with the alliteration and assonance and ##########. Truly choice.

I’m off to confession. See ya.

night, dsd, don’t do anything we wouldn’t do…

TJ @ 100

I wonder if we could start some kind of pay it forward thing here at FDL. I bet each of us, no matter what are troubles are, has something that could help someone else here.

Egads, I meant our troubles.

TRex @ 26

Oh, and the prayers are called novenas.

Do people still have “the Google” on their computers?

Just checking.

yellowdog jim @ 89

finifinito @ 65

Catholic rituals cannot be rivaled by any religious order anywhere. If you really want to see a proper religious ceremony try going to Midnight Mass on Christmas at your local Catholic church. Or to the funeral of a Catholic priest. they really go all out with the bells, whistles, gadgets and gizmos used by the Church for such ceremonies. Catholic weddings that have a full Mass performed are beautiful too.

But lets not forget Romans did great rituals too…before they fed people to lions.

i would dare say the Tibetan Buddhists could give them a run for their money.

Human sacrifice has never been practiced by Buddhists, however self-immolation is a tenet!!! *g*

TJ @ 102

TJ @ 100

I wonder if we could start some kind of pay it forward thing here at FDL. I bet each of us, no matter what are troubles are, has something that could help someone else here.

Egads, I meant our troubles.

that’s the way i read it:
didn’t notice until you woke me up.
our troubles are troubles.
let’s write a song.

Funnydiva2002 @ 98

Alicia @ 93

OMG, ET – you’re on the same page with P.D.Q. Bach!

Just so’s you know he’s not telling us a Tall Tale about top flight musicians.

I thought Dr. Schickele had retired the PDQ Bach act? Or is he (PDQ) Back, so to speak?

FunnyD

And furthermore, I just re-checked ET’s “musican’s” linky. The one with the bow tie? I’m not seeing no PDQ Bach or Peter Shickele, so whazzup wit dat, Alicia?

FunnyD
Goodnight and quiet, calm dreams to all departing sleepy-pups.

Fini, etc.

You see that’s the thing? Generally my family has good luck with Chrysler/Dodge products. We’ve been driving them for most of my life. This has just been a bad luck year. If i wasn’t superstitious, i’d blame it on the fact that it’s a Pig year in the chinese zodiac and i happen to be a Snake. Soooo..not a good mix there.

jacqrat @ 103

TRex @ 26

Oh, and the prayers are called novenas.

Do people still have “the Google” on their computers?

Just checking.

we’ve been afraid of it since last night’s
“Camel Toe” incident.

Ya gotta go to the composers link, funnyd

Funnydiva2002 @ 106

The one with the bow tie? I’m not seeing no PDQ Bach or Peter Shickele, so whazzup wit dat, Alicia?

Here’s where I found it…

aliasofwestgate @ 62

hi everyone,

I’m mostly lurking now since things have gone to pot with that car i got just recently to replace the Geo Metro that got ate by a pothole. Getting tips from a front on how to figure out what’s wrong with it in addition to the near 700$ i just SPENT on getting the head gasket replaced. And the silly thing is still nearly overheating on me. *sighs*

I’m tired of bad luck right now, seeings as i just got this car at the end of may. Used 95 Dodge Spirit. I’m not pleased at the moment.

Okay, here’s a cheap test, and possibly a fix. Take the car to the car wash, get the wand that sprays soap and water, and run it up and down the radiator (being careful not to actually touch it and bend the fins).

Rinse it off good and drive away. If, after plenty of time idling in traffic and driving around, the temps are down where they should be, it was a dirty radiator. If not, have another shop (or, a reputable dealer, if no one else), check the coolant for the presence of exhaust gases.

If you just had a head gasket replaced, and there are exhaust gases in the coolant, the shop doing the head gasket work is responsible. They either did the gasket job improperly, or misdiagnosed the problem (most likely failed to Zyglo the cylinder head for cracks).

Cheers.

yellowdog jim @ 108

jacqrat @ 103

Do people still have “the Google” on their computers?

Just checking.

we’ve been afraid of it since last night’s
“Camel Toe” incident.

That makes me want to go read last night’s comments.

TJ @ 109

Ya gotta go to the composers link, funnyd

Alicia @ 110

Funnydiva2002 @ 106

The one with the bow tie? I’m not seeing no PDQ Bach or Peter Shickele, so whazzup wit dat, Alicia?

Here’s where I found it…

Ok, like, Duuuuuhhhh!
I’ll go back to my corner now. Or just to the link to catch up on the greatest musicololologist of all time…

FunnyD

jacqrat @ 103

TRex @ 26

Oh, and the prayers are called novenas.

Do people still have “the Google” on their computers?

Just checking.

slides the little peach colored football shaped pharmaceutical product towards Jaqrat

Here you go dear, bad day?

yellowdog jim @ 108

jacqrat @ 103

Do people still have “the Google” on their computers?

Just checking.

we’ve been afraid of it since last night’s
“Camel Toe” incident.

Wait! Wha’d I miss?!
FunnyD

alias, this is not something I’d let known; “and i happen to be a Snake.” Tsk, tsk, pretty damning…!!! ;-)

finifinito @ 114

jacqrat @ 103

Do people still have “the Google” on their computers?

Just checking.

slides the little peach colored football shaped pharmaceutical product towards Jaqrat

Here you go dear, bad day?

Ahem! Fini! Did you bring enough for the WHOLE class? Hmmmm?

FunnyD

montag @ 111

aliasofwestgate @ 62

hi everyone,

I’m mostly lurking now since things have gone to pot with that car i got just recently to replace the Geo Metro that got ate by a pothole. Getting tips from a front on how to figure out what’s wrong with it in addition to the near 700$ i just SPENT on getting the head gasket replaced. And the silly thing is still nearly overheating on me. *sighs*

I’m tired of bad luck right now, seeings as i just got this car at the end of may. Used 95 Dodge Spirit. I’m not pleased at the moment.

Okay, here’s a cheap test, and possibly a fix. Take the car to the car wash, get the wand that sprays soap and water, and run it up and down the radiator (being careful not to actually touch it and bend the fins).

Rinse it off good and drive away. If, after plenty of time idling in traffic and driving around, the temps are down where they should be, it was a dirty radiator. If not, have another shop (or, a reputable dealer, if no one else), check the coolant for the presence of exhaust gases.

If you just had a head gasket replaced, and there are exhaust gases in the coolant, the shop doing the head gasket work is responsible. They either did the gasket job improperly, or misdiagnosed the problem (most likely failed to Zyglo the cylinder head for cracks).

Cheers.

I think this comment represents exactly what another poster meant by “pay it forward.”

aliasofwestgate @ 99

Thanks guys,

*grins tiredly* Seems like there are radiator fan issues as well, from our guesswork. Gonna try a few easy tests on my own, and with any luck i can fix them on my own. I’m not overly mechanically inclined but i DO have some skill on my own with it. Just annoyed that i have to do them in the first place.

Ah, well, if the fan is acting up, that is another matter. “Nearly” overheating can mean that the fan is coming on late (cruddy connections, something like that), or there’s possibly a fan relay that’s got similar problems. Do you have an electrical schematic and/or shop manual for the car?

*snort* cameltoe was a classic – just like clown car

I remember singing ‘My Bonnie Lass She Smelleth’ in my madrigal group in high school. Good times!

montag @ 119

aliasofwestgate @ 99

Thanks guys,

*grins tiredly* Seems like there are radiator fan issues as well, from our guesswork. Gonna try a few easy tests on my own, and with any luck i can fix them on my own. I’m not overly mechanically inclined but i DO have some skill on my own with it. Just annoyed that i have to do them in the first place.

Ah, well, if the fan is acting up, that is another matter. “Nearly” overheating can mean that the fan is coming on late (cruddy connections, something like that), or there’s possibly a fan relay that’s got similar problems. Do you have an electrical schematic and/or shop manual for the car?

Ironically, the radiator cap could be the culprit too…!!! ;-)

Suzanne @ 120

*snort* cameltoe was a classic – just like clown car

Oh lordy – clown car…

dumps the bottle in the middle of the coffee table, spilling peach colored football shaped pharmaceutical products everywhere

Enjoy, a friend presented me with the gift of a month supply of these after she decided to give them up.

CTuttle @ 104

yellowdog jim @ 89

i would dare say the Tibetan Buddhists could give them a run for their money.

Human sacrifice has never been practiced by Buddhists, however self-immolation is a tenet!!! *g*

In the Tibetan Book of the Dead there is a ritual where a supplicant is consumed by the observants Which we are told only happens in the Clear Light state of the mind of the practitioner.

All Bodhisattvas are sacrificing their enlightenment.

many Buddhists abjure self-immolation by monks.
That seems to have been very Viet Nam related.
(i don’t know for sure though.)

CTuttle @ 116

alias, this is not something I’d let known; “and i happen to be a Snake.” Tsk, tsk, pretty damning…!!! ;-)

Hey! CT, my good man, taking *people’s words out of context is a WingNut thing. Tsk, tsk, indeed.
And I’ll add a Tcha! for good measure (and I mean it to sting).

* or would that be persons’s? Persons’?

FunnyDiva
Year of the Monkey (what else?)

finifinito @ 97

Alias, a bit of advice on your car troubles. Abandon the Sprint immediately. Take the $500-1000 you will spend over the next six months patching that beast together and buy an older Oldsmobile with a 350 engine. The parts are cheap and every redneck in America knows how to repair the 350 engine and will do so for you for free on the hope that you might bat your eyes at him across a table for ten minutes at the watering hole one night.

my Buick Century has 230,000 miles on it – and the last mechanic (that replaced a the fuel pump – hey I got my money’s worth out of it) told me to hang onto it, because the engine was a piece of art. It has become the fashion for ganstas in the Bay Area to steal Buicks from the 1990s because the engines are virtual tanks.

Good night, fair people. The best of all possible tomorrows to you all.

althespook @ 118

montag @ 111

Okay, here’s a cheap test, and possibly a fix. Take the car to the car wash, get the wand that sprays soap and water, and run it up and down the radiator (being careful not to actually touch it and bend the fins).

Rinse it off good and drive away. If, after plenty of time idling in traffic and driving around, the temps are down where they should be, it was a dirty radiator. If not, have another shop (or, a reputable dealer, if no one else), check the coolant for the presence of exhaust gases.

If you just had a head gasket replaced, and there are exhaust gases in the coolant, the shop doing the head gasket work is responsible. They either did the gasket job improperly, or misdiagnosed the problem (most likely failed to Zyglo the cylinder head for cracks).

Cheers.

I think this comment represents exactly what another poster meant by “pay it forward.”

Indeed. Viva L’LateLateNight!
FunnyD

{{{{{night, RonD}}}}}

Alicia @ 123

Suzanne @ 120

*snort* cameltoe was a classic – just like clown car

Oh lordy – clown car…

That wasn’t a reference to the lady with 17 kids, was it?

Funnydiva2002 @ 126

CTuttle @ 116

alias, this is not something I’d let known; “and i happen to be a Snake.” Tsk, tsk, pretty damning…!!! ;-)

Hey! CT, my good man, taking *people’s words out of context is a WingNut thing. Tsk, tsk, indeed.
And I’ll add a Tcha! for good measure (and I mean it to sting).

* or would that be persons’s? Persons’?

FunnyDiva
Year of the Monkey (what else?)

Wha… I’d no such…!!! Year of the (fire) Horse!!! *g*

jacqrat @ 127

my Buick Century has 230,000 miles on it – and the last mechanic (that replaced a the fuel pump – hey I got my money’s worth out of it) told me to hang onto it, because the engine was a piece of art. It has become the fashion for ganstas in the Bay Area to steal Buicks from the 1990s because the engines are virtual tanks.

Those 350 engine vehicles like the Buick Century, the Oldsmobile 98 and the Cadillac Coupe DeVille will be the urban combat tanks in the Second Civil War we’re gonna have in about ten years. If you pay attention to the John Titor stories that is.

montag @ 119

aliasofwestgate @ 99

Thanks guys,

*grins tiredly* Seems like there are radiator fan issues as well, from our guesswork. Gonna try a few easy tests on my own, and with any luck i can fix them on my own. I’m not overly mechanically inclined but i DO have some skill on my own with it. Just annoyed that i have to do them in the first place.

Ah, well, if the fan is acting up, that is another matter. “Nearly” overheating can mean that the fan is coming on late (cruddy connections, something like that), or there’s possibly a fan relay that’s got similar problems. Do you have an electrical schematic and/or shop manual for the car?

I’ve been intending to get a shop manual for the thing after i got it back. Shouldn’t be too hard to find, since it’s a very common model to begin with. Fan Rely/connections issues is what my friend and i are discussing as we speak.

Hey, OT, but more info on the Peru quake here.

nope, not a reference to the lady at all…

Suzanne @ 120

*snort* cameltoe was a classic – just like clown car

curious late nighters may go to last night’s late,late night FDL and page search “camel toe”.
i page search on my firefox with “Ctrl F”.

finifinito @ 124

dumps the bottle in the middle of the coffee table, spilling peach colored football shaped pharmaceutical products everywhere

Enjoy, a friend presented me with the gift of a month supply of these after she decided to give them up.

Grazie, Ser Fini.

FunnyDiva
Better Living Through Chemistry.

althespook @ 118

I think this comment represents exactly what another poster meant by “pay it forward.”

Well, overheating can be caused by a leaking head gasket. If the work was done improperly, then without determining cause (even if it costs something to obtain that determination), then the first shop has her $700 without fixing the problem.

I’ve got a 95 buick regal with 125k on it. It leaks oil badly. Is it worth getting the thing rebuilt?

Suz, why don’t I have the luxury of ‘edit this comment’, Hmmm…??? Any ideas? ;-)

Then I gotta find the clown car link I was thinking about, Suzanne.

RonD @ 128

Good night, fair people. The best of all possible tomorrows to you all.

night ronD

Clown car

finifinito @ 114

jacqrat @ 103

Do people still have “the Google” on their computers?

Just checking.

slides the little peach colored football shaped pharmaceutical product towards Jaqrat

Here you go dear, bad day?

Thanks, but I’d much rather have a nice fat perfectly-legal medicinal mar*juana cigarette. Got some?

~~~ModNote: Edited for content to clear filters.~~~

TJ @ 140

I’ve got a 95 buick regal with 125k on it. It leaks oil badly. Is it worth getting the thing rebuilt?

Yep. A pro can do it for about $750-1000 or a skilled redneck can do it for about $400 worth of parts, a case of beer and a tub of beef jerky.

TJ @ 140

I’ve got a 95 buick regal with 125k on it. It leaks oil badly. Is it worth getting the thing rebuilt?

When was the last time you changed the Oil Pan Gasket? Usual culprit!!!

TJ @ 131

Alicia @ 123

Oh lordy – clown car…

That wasn’t a reference to the lady with 17 kids, was it?

It was, TJ – but refers to the manner of ejectitude.

Thanks, yd-j
back in a minute, after KO’s WPITW and “camel toe”.

FunnyD

yellowdog jim @ 137

Suzanne @ 120

*snort* cameltoe was a classic – just like clown car

curious late nighters may go to last night’s late,late night FDL and page search “camel toe”.
i page search on my firefox with “Ctrl F”.

TJ @ 142

Then I gotta find the clown car link I was thinking about, Suzanne.

TJ, clown car has become a substitute word here at late nite – but one that has designation for any specific person or groups of people – more like a nickname for a body part…. the meaning changed after an objection was made to the context it was originally used in.

Ah, we were thinking of the same thing.

finifinito @ 133

jacqrat @ 127

my Buick Century has 230,000 miles on it – and the last mechanic (that replaced a the fuel pump – hey I got my money’s worth out of it) told me to hang onto it, because the engine was a piece of art. It has become the fashion for ganstas in the Bay Area to steal Buicks from the 1990s because the engines are virtual tanks.

Those 350 engine vehicles like the Buick Century, the Oldsmobile 98 and the Cadillac Coupe DeVille will be the urban combat tanks in the Second Civil War we’re gonna have in about ten years. If you pay attention to the John Titor stories that is.

heh, fini. My car already looks the part, along with a couple of “Kucinich for President” stickers from the LAST election.

finifinito @ 43

do-si-do @ 35

Hey, I thought Christopher was de-sainted? Kicked out of the clubhouse?

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Bad example I guess but he was the first to spring to mind. Tells you how much of the 10 years in Catholic school took with me doesn’t it?

Actually the Vatican didn’t actually “desanctify” St. Christopher…but they id suggest that there is little supportive evidence as to his actual identity…and downgraded his veneration to that of local festivals in Croatia. In a sense, he’s considered a “minor saint” by tradition…rather than one that clerics should use in service.

CTuttle @ 122

Ironically, the radiator cap could be the culprit too…!!! ;-)

It’s possible, but the cap would have to be pretty well dead and gone, because sealed systems today usually don’t lose much coolant. Even if the cap were weak, and allowed coolant into the overflow at a lower pressure, if the system’s tight, the coolant gets sucked back into the system when the engine cools off. If the system isn’t tight, it should become apparent when coolant starts getting pushed out of the overflow tank.

Just watching overflow tank levels will give some indication of how healthy that part of the system is.

Start reading here about cameltoe

cinnamonape @ 152

finifinito @ 43

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Bad example I guess but he was the first to spring to mind. Tells you how much of the 10 years in Catholic school took with me doesn’t it?

Actually the Vatican didn’t actually “desanctify” St. Christopher…but they id suggest that there is little supportive evidence as to his actual identity…and downgraded his veneration to that of local festivals in Croatia. In a sense, he’s considered a “minor saint” by tradition…rather than one that clerics should use in service.

and you have to wonder, given how “christophuh” died on the sopranos, if that writer deliberately used the coincidence of names…

TJ @ 144

Clown car

excellent flckr there.
funny commenters too.
Thanks

CTuttle @ 141

Suz, why don’t I have the luxury of ‘edit this comment’, Hmmm…??? Any ideas? ;-)

the edit button comes and goes – the techs are aware of it but it is low on the list – still working on the bells and whistles from the upgrade

I used to have the most beautiful red 78 Oldsmobile 98 variously called “the Rollsmobile” or “Hot Lips” because when I bought the vehicle it had a license plate on the front that said Hot Lips and had a gaudy colored set of bright red lips on it. I, of course, kept this on my vehicle for humorous purposes until I finally drove it to its last legs and it collapsed in a heap in front of my house one day, dead to the touch. Beyond repair even. She died a good death and served me on many missions in the urban environment very well. Got me through many a rough neighborhood at top speed and gusto.

Funnydiva2002 @ 33

Buona sera, tutti!

This just in on AP via Yahoo
2 rescue workers killed in Utah mine.
bleah.

we now return to regularly scheduled LLN-FDL snarkiness.

FunnyDiva

3 rescue workers killed at Utah mine

aliasofwestgate @ 134

I’ve been intending to get a shop manual for the thing after i got it back. Shouldn’t be too hard to find, since it’s a very common model to begin with. Fan Rely/connections issues is what my friend and i are discussing as we speak.

Just make sure whatever one you select, make sure it’s got electrical diagrams for your model. (They like to shrink wrap `em so you can’t check, so ask first). The reason I emphasize this is that you may drive yourself nuts trying to find a fan thermostat when there might not be one. Around the time yours was built, manufacturers were starting to take a computer engine temperature signal and amplifying that to drive the relay, rather than depending upon a mechanical thermostatic switch (which was an additional point of warranty failure and an unnecessary manufacturing expense).

montag @ 153

CTuttle @ 122

Ironically, the radiator cap could be the culprit too…!!! ;-)

It’s possible, but the cap would have to be pretty well dead and gone, because sealed systems today usually don’t lose much coolant. Even if the cap were weak, and allowed coolant into the overflow at a lower pressure, if the system’s tight, the coolant gets sucked back into the system when the engine cools off. If the system isn’t tight, it should become apparent when coolant starts getting pushed out of the overflow tank.

Just watching overflow tank levels will give some indication of how healthy that part of the system is.

I agree, but, it is a cheap fix and an easy remedy! If you have some preventive maintenance awareness under your belt! I’ve rebuilt engines and have much mechanical expertise!!! First thing I’ll ask my friends is if they have a Haynes or Chilton manual for their car!!!

finifinito @ 159

I used to have the most beautiful red 78 Oldsmobile 98 variously called “the Rollsmobile” or “Hot Lips” because when I bought the vehicle it had a license plate on the front that said Hot Lips and had a gaudy colored set of bright red lips on it. I, of course, kept this on my vehicle for humorous purposes until I finally drove it to its last legs and it collapsed in a heap in front of my house one day, dead to the touch. Beyond repair even. She died a good death and served me on many missions in the urban environment very well. Got me through many a rough neighborhood at top speed and gusto.

Hey fini – you ever sling your arm over the vinyl seat and glance out the back window while cruising through a red light… whisper to yourself, “rollers…” She sounds sweet.

TJ @ 140

I’ve got a 95 buick regal with 125k on it. It leaks oil badly. Is it worth getting the thing rebuilt?

How’s the car, otherwise? Dependable? Why can’t the leak be fixed without rebuilding the engine?

Why spend $2500 to redo a used engine if it’s just a valve cover gasket, rear main seal, front seal, or pan gasket (the most likely points of leakage)?

yellowdog jim @ 157

TJ @ 144

Clown car

excellent flckr there.
funny commenters too.
Thanks

I vote we get this laminated like the novena cards and pass them out at the next “Focus on the Family” rally.

Suzanne @ 157

CTuttle @ 141

Suz, why don’t I have the luxury of ‘edit this comment’, Hmmm…??? Any ideas? ;-)

the edit button comes and goes – the techs are aware of it but it is low on the list – still working on the bells and whistles from the upgrade

Jus’ checkin’, Ma Cheri…!!!

burnspbesq @ 9

I’m not entirely sure what to make of this, but David Brooks seems to like John Edwards.

Oh my goodness, has Mr. Edwards been notified?

prostratedragon @ 166

burnspbesq @ 9

I’m not entirely sure what to make of this, but David Brooks seems to like John Edwards.

Oh my goodness, has Mr. Edwards been notified?

Brooks sent a note to his barber.

Suzanne @ 154

I vote we get this laminated like the novena cards and pass them out at the next “Focus on the Family” rally.

Except, of course, those types don’t consider Catholics ‘Christian’. They’re going straight to Hell, except when they’re needed to bolster the anti-choice movement.

montag @ 163

TJ @ 140

I’ve got a 95 buick regal with 125k on it. It leaks oil badly. Is it worth getting the thing rebuilt?

How’s the car, otherwise? Dependable? Why can’t the leak be fixed without rebuilding the engine?

Why spend $2500 to redo a used engine if it’s just a valve cover gasket, rear main seal, front seal, or pan gasket (the most likely points of leakage)?

True, process of elimination…!!!

montag @ 163

TJ @ 140

I’ve got a 95 buick regal with 125k on it. It leaks oil badly. Is it worth getting the thing rebuilt?

How’s the car, otherwise? Dependable? Why can’t the leak be fixed without rebuilding the engine?

Why spend $2500 to redo a used engine if it’s just a valve cover gasket, rear main seal, front seal, or pan gasket (the most likely points of leakage)?

My guy said it was in the high pressure part of the system, and expensive to fix. I was hoping to replace the car shortly and decided to let it leak. But circumstances might be changing that.

newtonusr @ 162

Hey fini – you ever sling your arm over the vinyl seat and glance out the back window while cruising through a red light… whisper to yourself, “rollers…” She sounds sweet.

Heyyyy…what movie is that from? I know it….dang!

jacqrat @ 165

I vote we get this laminated like the novena cards and pass them out at the next “Focus on the Family” rally.

Evil. And wonderful.

BTW, three cheers for the song and helen keller pants last night!

finifinito @ 172

newtonusr @ 162

Hey fini – you ever sling your arm over the vinyl seat and glance out the back window while cruising through a red light… whisper to yourself, “rollers…” She sounds sweet.

Heyyyy…what movie is that from? I know it….dang!

I had an ‘84 Delta 88 (a real cream puff) for a while…

CTuttle @ 162

I agree, but, it is a cheap fix and an easy remedy! If you have some preventive maintenance awareness under your belt!

It’s not a cheap fix if it isn’t the problem…. :)

I’ve rebuilt engines and have much mechanical expertise!!! First thing I’ll ask my friends is if they have a Haynes or Chilton manual for their car!!!

I now completely avoid Chilton, and for the most part, Haynes. Incomplete on diagnosis, electrical diagrams are often out of date, or incomplete, etc.

If at all possible, I buy factory manuals–especially for newer electrical systems. The cost difference isn’t that great over the life of the car (maybe $100 as opposed to $20), but they’re worth it. Dealerships hate to hear you say it, but they will order them for you.

Alicia @ 168

Suzanne @ 154

I vote we get this laminated like the novena cards and pass them out at the next “Focus on the Family” rally.

Except, of course, those types don’t consider Catholics ‘Christian’. They’re going straight to Hell, except when they’re needed to bolster the anti-choice movement.

And from the bend-the-facts-to-fit-the-theory department, the Council of Nicea which went a long way towards establishing the Roman Church also decided which of the various ancient writings floating around would be considered “canonical” and become the New Testament.

Evangelicals often view the Roman Church as the Anti-Christ referred to by Paul and say that Satan controlled the Nicene Council. Yet they accept without question the decision of the same council on which books are “canonical” and which are “apocrypha” (like the Gospel of Judas).

(BTW the “anti-christ” of damien the omen and all that is a much-added version of the little horn from daniel’s prophecy of the Kings of the North and South. And in one of the epistles (letters) of the New Testament the writer says “there have already come to be many anti-christs”. Most commentators view the anti-christ references to sects of christianity like the one of Nicodemus, or the Gnostics.)

Alicia @ 169

Suzanne @ 154

I vote we get this laminated like the novena cards and pass them out at the next “Focus on the Family” rally.

Except, of course, those types don’t consider Catholics ‘Christian’. They’re going straight to Hell, except when they’re needed to bolster the anti-choice movement.

We don’t have to call them Novena cards. I just meant we need to laminate them LIKE TRex suggested the graphic atop this post be.

Hanging out with you has been good for my soul. I shouldn’t let fear keep me away.

Thank you all, and goodnight.

jacqrat @ 164

yellowdog jim @ 157

excellent flckr there.
funny commenters too.
Thanks

I vote we get this laminated like the novena cards and pass them out at the next “Focus on the Family” rally.

Excellent.

TJ @ 170

montag @ 163

How’s the car, otherwise? Dependable? Why can’t the leak be fixed without rebuilding the engine?

Why spend $2500 to redo a used engine if it’s just a valve cover gasket, rear main seal, front seal, or pan gasket (the most likely points of leakage)?

My guy said it was in the high pressure part of the system, and expensive to fix. I was hoping to replace the car shortly and decided to let it leak. But circumstances might be changing that.

Front or Rear main seal, is serious business, but the valve gasket seal or the oil pan gasket is not a major repair!!!

TJ @ 171

My guy said it was in the high pressure part of the system, and expensive to fix. I was hoping to replace the car shortly and decided to let it leak. But circumstances might be changing that.

Quite odd that you’d have a high-pressure leak to the outside. The only place that can happen is at an oil gallery plug, or a head seam, something like that.

Out of curiosity, have you checked the PCV valve lately? Cause if that’s plugged or nearly plugged, the engine will weep oil in places you never knew about. :)

Back from a late, late dinner with the ET family. Kids have their last day at work tomorrow, except ETette starts a new job at a friend’s organic farm next week. ET Jr. off to McCarthy, Valdez and Cordova with some friends, before his college years start.

We had Copper River Sockeye, homemade lemon basil pesto and a raspberry-Humboldt Bay Purple Haze goat cheese-arugula-pecan salad. St. Michelle Semillon.

Nobody. has. ever. said. I. look. like. Christopher. Walken. before… ever….

TJ @ 178

Hanging out with you has been good for my soul. I shouldn’t let fear keep me away.

Thank you all, and goodnight.

Night TJ and do come back.

Me3 @ 159

Funnydiva2002 @ 33

Buona sera, tutti!

This just in on AP via Yahoo
2 rescue workers killed in Utah mine.
bleah.

we now return to regularly scheduled LLN-FDL snarkiness.

FunnyDiva

3 rescue workers killed at Utah mine

Oh, sweet Jeebus. That must be the one still reported as “critical” when I read/posted the link.

Hm, I bet it is time to do something with the PCV valve. I’ll ask next time I’m in. I’ll also get some more details so I can give you guys some actual facts to work with. Thanks again.

montag @ 175

CTuttle @ 162

I agree, but, it is a cheap fix and an easy remedy! If you have some preventive maintenance awareness under your belt!

It’s not a cheap fix if it isn’t the problem…. :)

I’ve rebuilt engines and have much mechanical expertise!!! First thing I’ll ask my friends is if they have a Haynes or Chilton manual for their car!!!

I now completely avoid Chilton, and for the most part, Haynes. Incomplete on diagnosis, electrical diagrams are often out of date, or incomplete, etc.

If at all possible, I buy factory manuals–especially for newer electrical systems. The cost difference isn’t that great over the life of the car (maybe $100 as opposed to $20), but they’re worth it. Dealerships hate to hear you say it, but they will order them for you.

I hear ya, Montaq! Yet, I avoid the dealerships at all costs! Cuz, it’ll cost me…(parts!!!)!!! *g*

For those like me who need all the help you can get, this place is really cool. http://www.saintsforsinners.com is a business in NOLA that makes one of a kind saint’s medals for those of us who are hedging their bets, so to speak. If you don’t know which saint you think you need, they’ll recommend one.

Let’s face it, it’s a blessing and helping another NOLA business at the same time. Win-win, right?

-S
I have St. Francis de Sales (patron saint of writers,) and a Miraculous Medal…

CTuttle @ 181

Front or Rear main seal, is serious business, but the valve gasket seal or the oil pan gasket is not a major repair!!!

Thanks to Speedi-Sleeves, front and rear mains are not a big bugaboo to fix these days, if the crank’s worn by the seal. Otherwise, either of those jobs would be a couple of grand cheaper than a full rebuild or installing a used engine.

TJ @ 173

BTW, three cheers for the song and helen keller pants last night!

i forgot about the song because i never got the sound turned up, and then i had to offer Suzanne my color-commentary to overcome her dial-up’s deficits.

Ed*ard Teller @ 182

Back from a late, late dinner with the ET family. Kids have their last day at work tomorrow, except ETette starts a new job at a friend’s organic farm next week. ET Jr. off to McCarthy, Valdez and Cordova with some friends, before his college years start.

We had Copper River Sockeye, homemade lemon basil pesto and a raspberry-Humboldt Bay Purple Haze goat cheese-arugula-pecan salad. St. Michelle Semillon.

Nobody. has. ever. said. I. look. like. Christopher. Walken. before… ever….

really?

If I keep hitting the refresh button, I might never get to bed!

montag @ 188

CTuttle @ 181

Front or Rear main seal, is serious business, but the valve gasket seal or the oil pan gasket is not a major repair!!!

Thanks to Speedi-Sleeves, front and rear mains are not a big bugaboo to fix these days, if the crank’s worn by the seal. Otherwise, either of those jobs would be a couple of grand cheaper than a full rebuild or installing a used engine.

Aah, I agree, if you don’t do it yourself they’ll still soak ya, in the labor to access those seals…!!!

TJ @ 191

If I keep hitting the refresh button, I might never get to bed!

Sucker…!!! *g*

TJ @ 178

Hanging out with you has been good for my soul. I shouldn’t let fear keep me away.

Thank you all, and goodnight.

same here.

Ed*ard Teller @ 182

Back from a late, late dinner with the ET family. Kids have their last day at work tomorrow, except ETette starts a new job at a friend’s organic farm next week. ET Jr. off to McCarthy, Valdez and Cordova with some friends, before his college years start.

We had Copper River Sockeye, homemade lemon basil pesto and a raspberry-Humboldt Bay Purple Haze goat cheese-arugula-pecan salad. St. Michelle Semillon.

Nobody. has. ever. said. I. look. like. Christopher. Walken. before… ever….

well, you do, dude. In a friendly, non-throat-cutting sort of way. And can us mere mortals acquire any Humboldt Bay Purple Haze goat chese? (and were the raspberries separate or part of the cheese?)

did find the winery’s web page, at least.

ps my therapist is making me cook again. so now i’m a recipe and food whore. everyone needs a hobby.

OK, I’m up too late…again.
Dang refresh button! Dang links!
Goodnight allpups, see you tomorrow.

FunnyD

Heh. Sorry ET you do look like Walken slightly in that picture. It’s not dead on or anything but its a similar look. You’re more handsome than Walken FWIW.

Funnydiva2002 @ 196

OK, I’m up too late…again.
Dang refresh button! Dang links!
Goodnight allpups, see you tomorrow.

FunnyD

Nite, Funny!!!

i got the refresher button syndrome (RBS) too.

Funnydiva2002 @ 196

OK, I’m up too late…again.
Dang refresh button! Dang links!
Goodnight allpups, see you tomorrow.

FunnyD

Night FunnyD. We’re doing wedgies and swirlies tomorrow (was supposed to be tonight but delayed by flood/repopulation of world.)

(not to be too vulgar, but one of the funniest lines I ever heard was delivered by my son in law as my daughter swore at something in the kitchen while they were cooking for a big company dinner (like 10 people). She said “bugger all!” in finest cockney accent and he replied, ‘Not now, i’m cooking! And i’ll be too tired after dinner.”)

Wasn’t it Christopher Walken who did the video for FatBoySlim ahhh the name of the song escapes me. Walken walking on walls, ceilings, etc.

newtonusr @ 174

I had an ‘84 Delta 88 (a real cream puff) for a while…

Dammit I know this…Christine?

jacqrat @ 165

yellowdog jim @ 157

excellent flckr there.
funny commenters too.
Thanks

I vote we get this laminated like the novena cards and pass them out at the next “Focus on the Family” rally.

Fortunately, by the time #17 comes along, #1 has a driver’s license. Otherwise, there ain’t no going out as a family without traveling in a bus.

What does this dad do for a living to feed and clothe this troop? Not being sexist, but what with the mom pregnant and nursing her life away, I’m assuming it’s the dad who works.

Funnydiva2002 @ 184

Me3 @ 159

3 rescue workers killed at Utah mine

Oh, sweet Jeebus. That must be the one still reported as “critical” when I read/posted the link.

Yeah as I read it. I am starting to feel like the grim reaper but these are the stories catching my eye this evening…

Heat wave has killed 37, officials say
…
In Alabama, state climatologist John Christy said the string of 10 consecutive days of triple-digit temperatures is amazing. Fifty-four people were treated in Alabama hospitals Wednesday and Thursday for heat-related illnesses, State Health Officer Don Williamson said.

See people argue that global warming is “coming”, but the way I see it is… It’s already been here for a few years, to the point I am physically aware of it.

For any physical being on the planet to be able to detect effects of something like global warming in their own lifetime… Speaks of a rate of change that is simply incredible when compared to the geologic time scale.

Suzanne @ 201

Wasn’t it Christopher Walken who did the video for FatBoySlim ahhh the name of the song escapes me. Walken walking on walls, ceilings, etc.

Yes it was.

finfinito and althespook,

I don’t mind if some pople think I look like Walken. He’s decent looking. But I hope I’m never accused of talking like him. My favorite SNL Walken gag was the Star Wars audition skit where Walken is auditioning for the role Harrison Ford got.

late to the party but that picture of Jane reminds me of my aunt Helen Rose who was always handing out those little cards with a dead persons name on the back, one of her old friends…I was about 9 when I lost my cat and she gave me one of some dude with sackcloth and a sparkly ring floating around his head, his eyes were looking up kinda creepy like. On the back it said:
St. Anthony, St. Anthony
Please look around
Somethings lost
And Can’t be Found.

finifinito @ 203

newtonusr @ 174

I had an ‘84 Delta 88 (a real cream puff) for a while…

Dammit I know this…Christine?

Blues Brothers…

Ed*ard Teller @ 206

finfinito and althespook,

I don’t mind if some pople think I look like Walken. He’s decent looking. But I hope I’m never accused of talking like him. My favorite SNL Walken gag was the Star Wars audition skit where Walken is auditioning for the role Harrison Ford got.

you’ll need to post an mp3 of you singing or speaking on your blog or at facebook for us to judge that. :)

spiderpaws @ 207

late to the party but that picture of Jane reminds me of my aunt Helen Rose who was always handing out those little cards with a dead persons name on the back, one of her old friends…I was about 9 when I lost my cat and she gave me one of some dude with sackcloth and a sparkly ring floating around his head, his eyes were looking up kinda creepy like. On the back it said:
St. Anthony, St. Anthony
Please look around
Somethings lost
And Can’t be Found.

‘lo, sp!

hey spidey

Suzanne @ 201

Wasn’t it Christopher Walken who did the video for FatBoySlim ahhh the name of the song escapes me. Walken walking on walls, ceilings, etc.

I think it was Gabriel, speaking of which, here’s a classic…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VMzkn-h8Z4

Whatever the hell you and Jane did, do it some more.
I never get to write comments anymore coz there’s so much to read!!! But I lurk in spirit…in the spirit world…oooooohhhhhh
Dan

newtonusr @ 208

finifinito @ 203

Dammit I know this…Christine?

Blues Brothers…

Hooooooly Shit! (to quote another Belushi movie)

I knew I knew that. I think my tired brain is trying to tell me something here. I gotta get some sleep. Talk to you all soon.

Ed*ard Teller @ 207

finfinito and althespook,

I don’t mind if some pople think I look like Walken. He’s decent looking. But I hope I’m never accused of talking like him. My favorite SNL Walken gag was the Star Wars audition skit where Walken is auditioning for the role Harrison Ford got.

And without a doubt, the finest cameo in Hollywood history, Walken in Pulp Fiction. Yeah, I always think of ET when I see that.:-)

nite fini

curve666 @ 213

Whatever the hell you and Jane did, do it some more.
I never get to write comments anymore coz there’s so much to read!!! But I lurk in spirit…in the spirit world…oooooohhhhhh
Dan

It’s hard to lurk again, after the fatal de-lurkin’ occurs, the Lake’s shore is strewn with former lurkers’ carcasses…!!! (I’m one of them!)

newtonusr @ 216

Ed*ard Teller @ 207

And without a doubt, the finest cameo in Hollywood history, Walken in Pulp Fiction. Yeah, I always think of ET when I see that.:-)

Oh, dear! Here’s the only audio of my unWalken-like voice I know of on the web.

Suzanne @ 202

Wasn’t it Christopher Walken who did the video for FatBoySlim ahhh the name of the song escapes me. Walken walking on walls, ceilings, etc.

Weapon of Choice. *grins* One of the weirdest videos ever, but it grew on me.

Suzanne @ 211

hey spidey

Spidey, ya know the Virgins of the Lake still await your prophetic wisdom…!!! *g*

aliasofwestgate @ 219

Suzanne @ 202

Wasn’t it Christopher Walken who did the video for FatBoySlim ahhh the name of the song escapes me. Walken walking on walls, ceilings, etc.

Weapon of Choice. *grins* One of the weirdest videos ever, but it grew on me.

I always remember that “Walken walkin” bit and never the song.. just the picture in my head of him doing that.

Suzanne @ 221

aliasofwestgate @ 219

Weapon of Choice. *grins* One of the weirdest videos ever, but it grew on me.

I always remember that “Walken walkin” bit and never the song.. just the picture in my head of him doing that.

Here ya go…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMZwZiU0kKs

Nah…

meanwhile, back at politics

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20312799/

Rudy’s Macaca moment?

CTuttle @ 222

Suzanne @ 221

I always remember that “Walken walkin” bit and never the song.. just the picture in my head of him doing that.

Here ya go…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMZwZiU0kKs

that’s the one, ct

althespook @ 224

meanwhile, back at politics

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20312799/

Rudy’s Macaca moment?

we can only hope – wait, do we want rudy to have the rethug nomination so we can trounce him nationally?

Suzanne @ 225

CTuttle @ 222

Here ya go…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMZwZiU0kKs

that’s the one, ct

*shucks* Happy to oblige…!!! ;-)

Huckabee has the best chart for the rethugs – the winning chart

*shucks* Happy to oblige…!!! ;-)

double crap, ct, i forgot to say thanks

Suzanne @ 227

althespook @ 224

meanwhile, back at politics

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20312799/

Rudy’s Macaca moment?

we can only hope – wait, do we want rudy to have the rethug nomination so we can trounce him nationally?

I want Romney and Tom Tancredo. answer to prayer, that would be…

Suzanne,

I just love the song in general. It was one of my favorites on the Halfway Between the Gutter an d the Stars album. I’m behind on his latest releases, which annoys me. He was pretty much THE artist that got me into electronica in 1998. Now i’m all over the map in those sub-genre, but Fatboy Slim and his Big Beats are old favorites. :D

win the nomination chart or win the presidency chart spidey?

spiderpaws @ 229

Huckabee has the best chart for the rethugs – the winning chart

He did come in second in Ames Straw Bought Poll, FWIW…

althespook @ 230

Suzanne @ 227

we can only hope – wait, do we want rudy to have the rethug nomination so we can trounce him nationally?

Hey, Ron Paul, would actually give Hillary a run for her money, eh??? ;-)

I want Romney and Tom Tancredo. answer to prayer, that would be…

just the nomination…don’t know if Alias got the reading a couple of nights back but if you did you are certainly welcome.

CTuttle @ 235

althespook @ 230

Hey, Ron Paul, would actually give Hillary a run for her money, eh??? ;-)

I want Romney and Tom Tancredo. answer to prayer, that would be…

Ron Paul versus Kucinich (sp). The most honest election in the last 100 years. the msm would die of shock and maimed spin.

spiderpaws @ 236

just the nomination…don’t know if Alias got the reading a couple of nights back but if you did you are certainly welcome.

No, i missed it Spidey. I cant’ remember which thread it was on. I must have gone to bed just before you posted it.

Dang nabit, Suz, I coulda cleaned up my mess…!!!

Poll: Majority mistrustful of upcoming Iraq report

Story Highlights:
Fifty-three percent say they don’t trust military assessment of situation in Iraq

Forty-three percent say they do trust report by U.S. Army’s top general in Iraq

CNN polling director thinks mistrust is directed at Bush administration

About half think military making progress; a quarter think Iraqi government is

Well a majority of the country is clearly awake and looking for the truth.

Diebold has been successfully branded I see…

And more goops are retiring

It’s almost like roaches scurying when the light comes on.

I would say it was probably the night you asked for it

althespook @ 236

CTuttle @ 235

Ron Paul versus Kucinich (sp). The most honest election in the last 100 years. the msm would die of shock and maimed spin.

What about the electorate’s shock, eh??? *g*

spiderpaws @ 229

Huckabee has the best chart for the rethugs – the winning chart

Huckabee is the only pug with a sense of humor and lacks the ultimate arrogance that the others seem to carry…

That’s a beauty ET.
So freedom of expression has enemies everywhere. Damn shame.

that is, Alias, a late late nite a couple of nights ago, it is usually the only time I come here

CTuttle @ 238

Dang nabit, Suz, I coulda cleaned up my mess…!!!

Sorry, CT – the edit button gotcha?

CTuttle @ 242

althespook @ 236

Ron Paul versus Kucinich (sp). The most honest election in the last 100 years. the msm would die of shock and maimed spin.

What about the electorate’s shock, eh??? *g*

electorate shock treatments are considered inhumane and therefore not practiced by modern accreditied politicians.

(not to snark at the expense of those who must or have undergone such treatments, my boss’s mom was given them and they cured her suicidal tendencies but cost her about 20 years of memories. ugh.)

Suzanne @ 245

CTuttle @ 238

Dang nabit, Suz, I coulda cleaned up my mess…!!!

Sorry, CT – the edit button gotcha?

Mmmfmmmfmmmm… Something or other!!! (Not my cat, tho, he’s resting on my lap!)

night

newtonusr @ 244

That’s a beauty ET.
So freedom of expression has enemies everywhere. Damn shame.

Yeah. one of the most curious newspaper people to call in the aftermath of that screwed up “public meeting” was Sara Liebovitch-Dar, one of Israel’s greatest investigative reporters. She wanted to know “how something over here could cause so much stir over there?”

althespook @ 246

CTuttle @ 242

What about the electorate’s shock, eh??? *g*

electorate shock treatments are considered inhumane and therefore not practiced by modern accreditied politicians.

(not to snark at the expense of those who must or have undergone such treatments, my boss’s mom was given them and they cured her suicidal tendencies but cost her about 20 years of memories. ugh.)

Are you positive it wasn’t a frontal-lobotomy??? ;-)

alias, this is the thread…

The link title says it all, from wired’s danger room blog with the guy who used to run Defense Tech:

http://blog.wired.com/defense/…..y-sta.html

nite, jacqrat

ok, that’s about it for me tonight folks. g’nite all.

althespook @ 252

The link title says it all, from wired’s danger room blog with the guy who used to run Defense Tech:

http://blog.wired.com/defense/…..y-sta.html

Damn, reality comes crashing down upon us all…!!! WTF???

CTuttle @ 251

althespook @ 246

electorate shock treatments are considered inhumane and therefore not practiced by modern accreditied politicians.

(not to snark at the expense of those who must or have undergone such treatments, my boss’s mom was given them and they cured her suicidal tendencies but cost her about 20 years of memories. ugh.)

Are you positive it wasn’t a frontal-lobotomy??? ;-)

I’m sure. He was just a teenager but he would have known the difference. He and his dad literally raided the institution where she was being held (this was in 1972) and brought her out once her sanity was restored. The clinic didn’t want to release her due to threats of lawsuit by her family. There was a terrible fuss but in the end she stayed out and was sane ever after.

Suzanne @ 255

ok, that’s about it for me tonight folks. g’nite all.

night, suz.

Suzanne @ 254

ok, that’s about it for me tonight folks. g’nite all.

Wha…, no same bat channel…? Bon Nuit, Ma Cheri!!!

Good Night Suzanne, thanks for your effort. off to ratsville myself.
Cheerio

Suzanne @ 254

ok, that’s about it for me tonight folks. g’nite all.

G’nite :)

althespook @ 256

CTuttle @ 251

Are you positive it wasn’t a frontal-lobotomy??? ;-)

I’m sure. He was just a teenager but he would have known the difference. He and his dad literally raided the institution where she was being held (this was in 1972) and brought her out once her sanity was restored. The clinic didn’t want to release her due to threats of lawsuit by her family. There was a terrible fuss but in the end she stayed out and was sane ever after.

What a mess we’ve created…!!!

spiderpaws @ 259

Good Night Suzanne, thanks for your effort. off to ratsville myself.
Cheerio

Nite, spidey!!!

spiderpaws @ 260

Good Night Suzanne, thanks for your effort. off to ratsville myself.
Cheerio

night sp

Me3 @ 260

Suzanne @ 254

ok, that’s about it for me tonight folks. g’nite all.

G’nite :)

Hey, Me3, any delectable tidbits you wanna release tonite? ;-)

Spidey,

A belated thanks when you turn up again. I just read it! Sounds about right for the ‘falling off a log’ thing with the bloody stupid car situation. *grins* A problem, but can be solved. Aside from my usual venting of frustrations.

All the suggsetions have been taken, everyone. Thank you again! *yawns* Now i just might wander off to bed, i have some wandering to do and some testing to do on that silly vehicle. Frustration is friggen tiring anyway, isn’t it? I’d rather do with less of it. I’m sure you guys would too.

aliasofwestgate @ 265

Spidey,

A belated thanks when you turn up again. I just read it! Sounds about right for the ‘falling off a log’ thing with the bloody stupid car situation. *grins* A problem, but can be solved. Aside from my usual venting of frustrations.

All the suggsetions have been taken, everyone. Thank you again! *yawns* Now i just might wander off to bed, i have some wandering to do and some testing to do on that silly vehicle. Frustration is friggen tiring anyway, isn’t it? I’d rather do with less of it. I’m sure you guys would too.

Frustration is a mild sentiment in the scope of emotions I have for our current regime…!!!

I am poking around the back pages of the financials and all the overnight markets are sharply down.

http://www.forbes.com/markets/…..29325.html

am crashing. to bed. excellence to all firepups!

althespook @ 268

am crashing. to bed. excellence to all firepups!

Nite, AK!!!

Frustration is a mild sentiment in the scope of emotions I have for our current regime…!!!

That goes without saying, CTuttle. I’d be a lot angrier if i allowed myself to concentrate on teh sheer amount of wrong done. I know its there, but i can only take care of so much at a time in my way. Otherwise the stress would make my health even worse.

Me3 @ 267

I am poking around the back pages of the financials and all the overnight markets are sharply down.

http://www.forbes.com/markets/…..29325.html

All our chits are coming due…!!! 8-(

aliasofwestgate @ 270

Frustration is a mild sentiment in the scope of emotions I have for our current regime…!!!

That goes without saying, CTuttle. I’d be a lot angrier if i allowed myself to concentrate on teh sheer amount of wrong done. I know its there, but i can only take care of so much at a time in my way. Otherwise the stress would make my health even worse.

Heh, dang pesky ‘refresh’ button, eh??? ;-)

CTuttle @ 264

Hey, Me3, any delectable tidbits you wanna release tonite? ;-)

LOL, I don’t cause any trouble… I just flirt some :)

from C&L, more creepiness from the Homeland:

The cards would be mandatory for all “federal purposes,” which include boarding an airplane or walking into a federal building, nuclear facility or national park, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff told the National Conference of State Legislatures last week. Citizens in states that don’t comply with the new rules will have to use passports for federal purposes.

Me3 @ 274

CTuttle @ 264

Hey, Me3, any delectable tidbits you wanna release tonite? ;-)

LOL, I don’t cause any trouble… I just flirt some :)

…tease me, please me!!! *g*

CTuttle @ 272

Me3 @ 267

I am poking around the back pages of the financials and all the overnight markets are sharply down.

http://www.forbes.com/markets/…..29325.html

All our chits are coming due…!!! 8-(

I doubt it, but this shit is going to last into 2009.

OldCoastie @ 275

from C&L, more creepiness from the Homeland:

The cards would be mandatory for all “federal purposes,” which include boarding an airplane or walking into a federal building, nuclear facility or national park, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff told the National Conference of State Legislatures last week. Citizens in states that don’t comply with the new rules will have to use passports for federal purposes.

One thing I’ll say, if one is required, all should be required…!!! I’ll leave it at that!!!

CTuttle @ 271

Me3 @ 267

I am poking around the back pages of the financials and all the overnight markets are sharply down.

http://www.forbes.com/markets/…..29325.html

All our chits are coming due…!!! 8-(

http://www.forbes.com/markets/…..ets06.html

Blood was shed Thursday on trading floors across Asia amid the stampede of the subprime credit crunch.

South Korean investors suffered the biggest sell-off in history on Thursday after returning from a national holiday. The benchmark KOSPI skidded 125.91 points, or 6.9%, to 1,691.98, the steepest decline in terms of absolute points in a single day on record.

Loo Hoo @204
What does this dad do for a living to feed and clothe this troop? Not being sexist, but what with the mom pregnant and nursing her life away, I’m assuming it’s the dad who works.
—————-
Not to be sexist, but judging from the photo dad may be the one making the clothes.

Ed*ard Teller @ 277

CTuttle @ 272

All our chits are coming due…!!! 8-(

I doubt it, but this shit is going to last into 2009.

Or longer…!!!

Me3 @ 279

CTuttle @ 271

All our chits are coming due…!!! 8-(

http://www.forbes.com/markets/…..ets06.html

Blood was shed Thursday on trading floors across Asia amid the stampede of the subprime credit crunch.

South Korean investors suffered the biggest sell-off in history on Thursday after returning from a national holiday. The benchmark KOSPI skidded 125.91 points, or 6.9%, to 1,691.98, the steepest decline in terms of absolute points in a single day on record.

I didn’t mean in-delectable tidbits!!!

CTuttle @ 281

Ed*ard Teller @ 277

I doubt it, but this shit is going to last into 2009.

Or longer…!!!

NY Mag’s Bottom Line predicts:

You’re losing money right now. This very minute. You’re losing money if you own an apartment. You’re losing money if you own a country home. You’re losing money if you own a stock or bond mutual fund. You’re losing money if you have a pension plan. You’re probably losing money here or there, you’re probably losing money everywhere (except maybe from your savings account and wallet). But this is no Dr. Seuss story. It’s more of a John Steinbeck tale, and we are the victims, a new generation of Tom Joads, and it’s the damn bankermen who broke us. No, there won’t be a police officer to investigate, and the government, at least this federal government, won’t save us.

Ed*ard Teller @ 283

CTuttle @ 281

Or longer…!!!

NY Mag’s Bottom Line predicts:

You’re losing money right now. This very minute. You’re losing money if you own an apartment. You’re losing money if you own a country home. You’re losing money if you own a stock or bond mutual fund. You’re losing money if you have a pension plan. You’re probably losing money here or there, you’re probably losing money everywhere (except maybe from your savings account and wallet). But this is no Dr. Seuss story. It’s more of a John Steinbeck tale, and we are the victims, a new generation of Tom Joads, and it’s the damn bankermen who broke us. No, there won’t be a police officer to investigate, and the government, at least this federal government, won’t save us.

Kramer on Tweety the other day was makin’ references to Hoovervilles and squatters…!!! Hmmm…!!!

Oh and CTuttle,

I’m a Fire Snake by the way :P An amusing mix with the Virgo birth in the western zodiac. Mostly, i just say it makes a too intelligent little brat. *evil grin*

I’m hesitant to start my own blog to reciprocate the progressive tone I share with so many here at the Lake! Any suggestions? *g*

See in the old days… When economies turned down, the cost of oil and refined products dropped as well.

Not any more:

http://economictimes.indiatime…..286793.cms

Fire shuts crude unit at Chevron’s top US refinery

17 Aug, 2007, 0820 hrs IST, REUTERS
LOS ANGELES: A fire struck one of two crude units at Chevron’s 325,000 barrels per day Pascagoula, Mississippi, refinery on Thursday, injuring no one but helping send gasoline prices nearly 2 per cent higher.

A “major portion” of the plant, Chevron’s biggest in the United States, continues to operate, company officals told the media.

Note that it is not a price of 2 cents they are talking about… It’s two percent!!!

CTuttle,

If this wingnut has his way, W will be able to save us from one financial or security crisis after another for the rest of his life:

As there appears to be no sensible result of the invasion of Iraq that will be popular with his countrymen other than retreat, President Bush is reviled; he has become another victim of Democracy.

By elevating popular fancy over truth, Democracy is clearly an enemy of not just truth, but duty and justice, which makes it the worst form of government. President Bush must overcome not just the situation in Iraq, but democratic government.

However, President Bush has a valuable historical example that he could choose to follow…..

He names Julius Caesar as the example.

aliasofwestgate @ 285

Oh and CTuttle,

I’m a Fire Snake by the way :P An amusing mix with the Virgo birth in the western zodiac. Mostly, i just say it makes a too intelligent little brat. *evil grin*

Ahs, you were born within the dubious distinction of ‘Fire’ too! And, Virgo, to boot, eh??? *g*

Me3 @ 287

Note that it is not a price of 2 cents they are talking about… It’s two percent!!!

Hiya, Me3!

I wasn’t a big fan of Bill Clinton, but when he was president – between 1997 and 1999, a fuel price hike of 2 percent was close to 2 cents. As Rush Limbaugh said back in 2000, “If you elect Al Gore, you’ll be paying $2.00 a gallon for gas in a few years.” Limbaugh was right. Gore isn’t president, and we’re NOT paying $2.00 a gallon for gas.

Ed*ard Teller @ 288

CTuttle,

If this wingnut has his way, W will be able to save us from one financial or security crisis after another for the rest of his life:

As there appears to be no sensible result of the invasion of Iraq that will be popular with his countrymen other than retreat, President Bush is reviled; he has become another victim of Democracy.

By elevating popular fancy over truth, Democracy is clearly an enemy of not just truth, but duty and justice, which makes it the worst form of government. President Bush must overcome not just the situation in Iraq, but democratic government.

However, President Bush has a valuable historical example that he could choose to follow…..

He names Julius Caesar as the example.

Wasn’t it the Senate that had something to say about it? Et,Tu??? *g*

The tsunamis about to hit folks. The Nikkei dropped over 5.4% Yesterday (over night) and the Hung Sen (Hong Kong) almost matched that.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..ld_markets

The dollar is dropping like a stone as well!

I suspect the Dow will follow yesterdays trend and not be saved by bargain hunters…there can be no confidence in such a fluctuating market based on deals made by CONFIDENCE ARTISTS.

This is the fall-out of the Bush Administrations deregulation of the financial and lending markets and the philosophy of sheer greed. People who were unproductive blow-hards and tricksters (aka Republicans) were able to sell themselves off as actually being substantative manufacturers and producers of wealth, when in fact they were simply running a hollow shell of a Ponzi game.

Apologies for my post at 280. That was just plain wrong.

cinnamonape, you certainly relish being the bearer of bad news, eh??? What’s your long range prognostication? *g*

cinnamonape @ 292

CONFIDENCE ARTISTS.

This is the fall-out of the Bush Administrations deregulation of the financial and lending markets and the philosophy of sheer greed. People who were unproductive blow-hards and tricksters (aka Republicans) were able to sell themselves off as actually being substantative manufacturers and producers of wealth, when in fact they were simply running a hollow shell of a Ponzi game.

Ding!

CTuttle @ 289

aliasofwestgate @ 285

Oh and CTuttle,

I’m a Fire Snake by the way :P An amusing mix with the Virgo birth in the western zodiac. Mostly, i just say it makes a too intelligent little brat. *evil grin*

Ahs, you were born within the dubious distinction of ‘Fire’ too! And, Virgo, to boot, eh??? *g*

Yup,

The combo pretty much means an overactive mind and a weird, but earthy sense of humor. I have to say i’d rather laugh than get mad. Snark helps with that, and why i’ve a thing for biting satire as well. Nothing better in my world. hee!

JANE gives them pain.
She’s worse than being under their skin.
It hurts that she’s attractive and slamming them all the time.
I know how you must feel, you Republican gropers of the work place.
Jane gives them pain.

aliasofwestgate @ 296

CTuttle @ 289

Ahs, you were born within the dubious distinction of ‘Fire’ too! And, Virgo, to boot, eh??? *g*

Yup,

The combo pretty much means an overactive mind and a weird, but earthy sense of humor. I have to say i’d rather laugh than get mad. Snark helps with that, and why i’ve a thing for biting satire as well. Nothing better in my world. hee!

Dang, e-harmony material…!!! *g*

Somerset @ 297

JANE gives them pain.
She’s worse than being under their skin.
It hurts that she’s attractive and slamming them all the time.
I know how you must feel, you Republican gropers of the work place.
Jane gives them pain.

kinda a festering sore…!!! ;-)

Ed*ard Teller @ 287

CTuttle,

If this wingnut has his way, W will be able to save us from one financial or security crisis after another for the rest of his life:

As there appears to be no sensible result of the invasion of Iraq that will be popular with his countrymen other than retreat, President Bush is reviled; he has become another victim of Democracy.

By elevating popular fancy over truth, Democracy is clearly an enemy of not just truth, but duty and justice, which makes it the worst form of government. President Bush must overcome not just the situation in Iraq, but democratic government.

However, President Bush has a valuable historical example that he could choose to follow…..

He names Julius Caesar as the example.

LMAO Thanks I needed that!

aliasofwestgate @ 296

CTuttle @ 289

Ahs, you were born within the dubious distinction of ‘Fire’ too! And, Virgo, to boot, eh??? *g*

Yup,

The combo pretty much means an overactive mind and a weird, but earthy sense of humor. I have to say i’d rather laugh than get mad. Snark helps with that, and why i’ve a thing for biting satire as well. Nothing better in my world. hee!

Ah, Spidey would devour this comparison of notes, She’d have two notable astrological phenomena; Fire sign, and, Virgo!!! Two different orientations and systems…!!! *g*

Whoa, Mr Friedman-Unit is spending the hour with Charlie Rose tonite!!!

Tommy; “We’re the dream factory…” Uhhh, you may be…, yet, we’re not!!! ;-)

Dang crickets are drowning out the discourse…!!!

Comparing the two is always amusing, CTuttle.

Is it that unusual? I didn’t think it was, really.

SunnyNobility @ 293

Apologies for my post at 280. That was just plain wrong.

Oh, I dunno… there are women who have no fashion sense (or like buying that really odd plaid by the entire bolt).

I give you Pickles as a good example…. :)

aliasofwestgate @ 305

Comparing the two is always amusing, CTuttle.

Is it that unusual? I didn’t think it was, really.

Virgo, not so much, Fire sign, yes, it occurs only once every sixteen years, sixty year cycle between a sign’s Fire designation!!!

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/…..p;refer=us

Well I think I understand the basic problem and what they are trying to do about it. It’s a difficult problem to fully understand, and only as facts come to light can you begin to see the big picture.

I don’t think it’s going to work… This dumping of billions of dollars into money markets to stabilize the global economy. The cash injections made last week were significant, but $30-40 billion is not gonna make what looks to be $100-150 billion (minimum I think) of critical cash needed in the next two weeks to buy up this dead paper.

No fund, no investor, is going to touch this type paper again for a long, long, time.

That means the housing bubble… Popped. It’s almost reminds me of musical chairs… The music stopped.

I am going to bet we will see a lot of construction companies going under.

Ah,

And is that what makes it ‘dubious’? As you mentioned earlier? I knew the virgo bit wasn’t unusual. :P But i figured the Virgo and Fire thing wasn’t overly unusual, since there ARE cusp bdays for Virgos in late august.

I’m not really familiar enough with all the details of either system to know much more than that. *grins*

Well, it’s getting late here, I shall bid another fond adieu to the Lake! Aloha Oe!!!

Don’t stop…!!! *g*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBKkwxCV5ls

cinnamonape @ 292

I suspect the Dow will follow yesterdays trend and not be saved by bargain hunters…

Hard to say. After watching the markets off and on, Fridays always seem to be bargain-basement day. The wannabe day traders come out, looking for deals, and there are the hedge funds that grab a few stocks each that they think they can game the market with, picking up a sufficient quantity of which that they then hope will generate some buzz over the weekend that they can take advantage of on Monday.

montag @ 310

cinnamonape @ 292

I suspect the Dow will follow yesterdays trend and not be saved by bargain hunters…

Hard to say. After watching the markets off and on, Fridays always seem to be bargain-basement day. The wannabe day traders come out, looking for deals, and there are the hedge funds that grab a few stocks each that they think they can game the market with, picking up a sufficient quantity of which that they then hope will generate some buzz over the weekend that they can take advantage of on Monday.

I was a trader and a wire operator to the NY floor. The problems we are seeing in the market are a lot bigger than the cash that can be ponied up by daytraders & hedge funds. Cash is in real short supply right now, and the Fed is literally pouring billions into the market in an effort to keep it liquid.

A lot of these hedge funds, hedged things like repackaged mortgages with Asian stocks… Asia just ponied up nearly 5% of their net worth to raise cash to cover their exposure. Two reports I have seen this morning refer to “blood”… One of them was Forbes.

Me3 @ 308

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/…..p;refer=us

Well I think I understand the basic problem and what they are trying to do about it. It’s a difficult problem to fully understand, and only as facts come to light can you begin to see the big picture.

I don’t think it’s going to work… This dumping of billions of dollars into money markets to stabilize the global economy. The cash injections made last week were significant, but $30-40 billion is not gonna make what looks to be $100-150 billion (minimum I think) of critical cash needed in the next two weeks to buy up this dead paper.

No fund, no investor, is going to touch this type paper again for a long, long, time.

That means the housing bubble… Popped. It’s almost reminds me of musical chairs… The music stopped.

I am going to bet we will see a lot of construction companies going under.

Will the government buy some of this dead paper what about Fannie mae? Does Bush have any response planned? Is an expected fed cut enough or should they double the size of their regular cut?

Me3 @ 312

A lot of these hedge funds, hedged things like repackaged mortgages with Asian stocks… Asia just ponied up nearly 5% of their net worth to raise cash to cover their exposure. Two reports I have seen this morning refer to “blood”… One of them was Forbes.

It’ll be interesting to see where the markets open after overnight trades and transfers. U.S. futures are supposed to be down right now.

But, yeah–I have no disagreement that the ripples are spreading wide, and I’ll be the first to admit I don’t have a clue just how saturated the wider financial markets are with these bogus instruments. But, the European markets are doing a bit better today. Dow-Jones describes it as the “bargain hunters are out.”

I wouldn’t be at all surprised if the same were to happen today here. I say that simply as a dispassionate observer. I took money out of equities a year ago, expecting what is happening now to happen earlier. Nothing to gain, in that regard….

We have to counter attack the expected Republican talking points about how Bush inheirted the Clinton bubble and now Bush is somehow due a crash of his own.
The Clintion economy raised wages and living standards. The Bush economy at its height never got above the Clintion economy’s S&P 500 high in inflation adjusted dollars.
Inflation if you count gas and food which is real for poor and middle class people, but not economists for some reason was rising even before this crash.
The Bush economy only helped stocks rise relative to where stocks were when compared to the 9/11 crash.
We have to counter attack the idea that Presidents really can’t control the economy and make it better, by pointing out that there are alot of things a president can do to make the economy worst.
Case in point did Bush steal Herbert Hoover’s economic playbook of government doing nothing when the market crashes?
I thought FDR proved Lazzie Faire was a moronic idea. The Market is crashing what would FDR do in this situation should be our talking point.

Good morning, pups. Today in the NYT Bobo has some positive things to say about John Edwards and Paul Krugman says that the housing slump may be with us for years.

http://mgpaquin.wordpress.com/

Coffee and tea are ready, and I’ve got pancakes with either real maple syrup or some local honey. Have a great Friday.

Chances are that the regular American’s exposure to this crash is that their mortgages are going to go up. Some people are going to struggle and risk losing their homes right now if nothing is done. As Mortgages are adjusted to current interest rates from the low teaser rates they were paying at first.
The real danger is what happens if interest rates keep going up because we have a bad economy and nobody wants our debt, or our rapidly devalueing currency?
What if the Fed makes a mistake and interest rates go up another 5% ? Which is not that hard of a scenerio to imagine a nightmare scenerio would be a 10% increase!
Its not only poor uneducated blacks losing their homes. Thats just Republican code for don’t pay attention. It might sound racist but we need the MSM to highlight regular white people struggling to keep their homes NOW!
Not after the new interest rate changes force the middle class to spend their nest eggs on home payments and then they still lose their homes.
African Americans tend to have less nest egg and so they are amoung the first to lose their homes. If this crises continues white middleclass America is next! Lets try and get a little ahead of a problem for once!

the Fed is literally pouring billions into the market in an effort to keep it liquid.

It’s called “helicoptering” after a statement made by Milton Friedman regarding fighting deflation by taking baskets of money up and throwing it out of helicopters if it was needed. He specifically made the remark in reference to the 1929 crash and said dumping cash by helicopter is better than insolvency.

Bernake’s nickname is “Helicopter Ben” BTW, and Friedman is his mentor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Bernanke

The helicopter theory is great except for one thing… You can’t do it all by yourself in a global economy, you have to call in chits with foreign banks to follow your policy or you get wiped out by speculators and short sellers. So Bernake got help from Japan, German, and a couple other banks to stave off the market crash. But he does not have enough cash to support asian stocks that lose liquidity.

He is betting that this subprime crisis is a “bump” (like that Utah mine bumps) and that it is isolated to one tunnel sector of the economy, and that well timed helicopter trips over to wall street money market funds while throwing bags & baskets of cash out like a Santa Claus on meth will see us through the turbulence without the wheels coming off the bus chopper blades flailing off..

Jose Padilla an American citizen with all the rights and privileges that go with that gets 1,307 days in isolation in order to break him.
The Bin Laudin Family on the other hand does not even get questioned by the FBI after September 11. Nope they get private planes to take them out of the country.
Now then just WHAT freedoms are our solders fighting and dying to bring the people of Iraq again?
Heck if were Iraqi I would not want to be an American or have an American style government in Iraq. Nope I would want to be a bin Laudin.

Scooter’s and Bin Laudins in George Bush’s eyes at least ARE more equal than others!

things come undone @ 312

Will the government buy some of this dead paper what about Fannie mae? Does Bush have any response planned? Is an expected fed cut enough or should they double the size of their regular cut?

The government has already purchased about 30 billion of this paper in order to keep it priced on the markets, nobody else would touch it… Part of the problem is these are long term instruments, valuing them during a housing recession is not easy… It has to be drastically discounted at the best, but the Fed poured in billions to money markets and were handed this paper as a receipt.

That’s Bernake’s response, and Bush is fine with that. He had a presser when it first started and said they would ensure liquidity. Fannie Mae has been told not to do anything, most of their loans are OK, better risk homeowners… Bush hates Fannie Mae and wants it to die.

As for a cut… Are you talking about interest rates?

Me3 @ 318

the Fed is literally pouring billions into the market in an effort to keep it liquid.

It’s called “helicoptering” after a statement made by Milton Friedman regarding fighting deflation by taking baskets of money up and throwing it out of helicopters if it was needed. He specifically made the remark in reference to the 1929 crash and said dumping cash by helicopter is better than insolvency.

Bernake’s nickname is “Helicopter Ben” BTW, and Friedman is his mentor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Bernanke

The helicopter theory is great except for one thing… You can’t do it all by yourself in a global economy, you have to call in chits with foreign banks to follow your policy or you get wiped out by speculators and short sellers. So Bernake got help from Japan, German, and a couple other banks to stave off the market crash. But he does not have enough cash to support asian stocks that lose liquidity.

He is betting that this subprime crisis is a “bump” (like that Utah mine bumps) and that it is isolated to one tunnel sector of the economy, and that well timed helicopter trips over to wall street money market funds while throwing bags & baskets of cash out like a Santa Claus on meth will see us through the turbulence without the wheels coming off the bus chopper blades flailing off..

Won’t this devalue our currency even more? You are making me think that if Bernake gets his way and the Democrats do nothing then gold will skyrocket.

things come undone @ 317

Chances are that the regular American’s exposure to this crash is that their mortgages are going to go up. Some people are going to struggle and risk losing their homes right now if nothing is done. As Mortgages are adjusted to current interest rates from the low teaser rates they were paying at first.
The real danger is what happens if interest rates keep going up because we have a bad economy and nobody wants our debt, or our rapidly devalueing currency?
What if the Fed makes a mistake and interest rates go up another 5% ? Which is not that hard of a scenerio to imagine a nightmare scenerio would be a 10% increase!

I once worked with a Russian who’d emigrated to the US, via Israel, in the late `70s. He earned a pretty healthy nest egg as scab labor working for manufacturing plants on strike, as a process engineer. By 1980, he was buying up apartment properties in a well-to-do suburb of Boston at ridiculous interest rates (everyone was seeing 14-18% then). Of course, by 1981, the oil spigot had been turned back on, and the root cause of all that stagflation began to dissipate as oil prices came down. So, his interest-bearing accounts were suddenly down to a few percent, but he was stuck with mortages at 15%.

Think he blew his brains out a few years later.

One can never assume that things will stay the same, and Congress would be wise to step in with regulatory changes now–first, to prevent the sort of predatory lending practices that lead to this, second, to eliminate mortgage terms that prevent people from renegotiating such notes (like penalties that prevent paying off a note early), and making it possible for mortgage holders to renegotiate by reregulating the mortgage industry to push mortgage origination back to where it was most effectively managed–local banks and savings and loans. And, most importantly, undoing all the damage done to HUD in the Reagan/Bush years (which was never really repaired later), and provide sensible, low-cost rental housing so that people can once again start saving for home down payments.

Me3 @ 321

things come undone @ 312

Will the government buy some of this dead paper what about Fannie mae? Does Bush have any response planned? Is an expected fed cut enough or should they double the size of their regular cut?

The government has already purchased about 30 billion of this paper in order to keep it priced on the markets, nobody else would touch it… Part of the problem is these are long term instruments, valuing them during a housing recession is not easy… It has to be drastically discounted at the best, but the Fed poured in billions to money markets and were handed this paper as a receipt.

That’s Bernake’s response, and Bush is fine with that. He had a presser when it first started and said they would ensure liquidity. Fannie Mae has been told not to do anything, most of their loans are OK, better risk homeowners… Bush hates Fannie Mae and wants it to die.

As for a cut… Are you talking about interest rates?

Yes

Good morning pups!

Thanks for the coffee and pancakes Marion, real maple syrup…mmmmm.

Good morning Everybody,

Pancakes are perfect, Marion, and I’m offering some blueberry/maple syrup.

N=1, that link I gave you to L’Abri last evening was for the commune aspect to it. You sign up for a season, pay 25 dollars a day (used to be free in exchange for work) get a bed and three meals. It’s a place to study and reflect. I tried to give you links for the summer lecture series in Southborough as well as the reservations page, but they would not come through.

I’m not coming at it from the religious point of view, just the practical. The information I’ve received from them over the years has shown that they are practical people.

montag @ 323

things come undone @ 317

Chances are that the regular American’s exposure to this crash is that their mortgages are going to go up. Some people are going to struggle and risk losing their homes right now if nothing is done. As Mortgages are adjusted to current interest rates from the low teaser rates they were paying at first.
The real danger is what happens if interest rates keep going up because we have a bad economy and nobody wants our debt, or our rapidly devalueing currency?
What if the Fed makes a mistake and interest rates go up another 5% ? Which is not that hard of a scenerio to imagine a nightmare scenerio would be a 10% increase!

I once worked with a Russian who’d emigrated to the US, via Israel, in the late `70s. He earned a pretty healthy nest egg as scab labor working for manufacturing plants on strike, as a process engineer. By 1980, he was buying up apartment properties in a well-to-do suburb of Boston at ridiculous interest rates (everyone was seeing 14-18% then). Of course, by 1981, the oil spigot had been turned back on, and the root cause of all that stagflation began to dissipate as oil prices came down. So, his interest-bearing accounts were suddenly down to a few percent, but he was stuck with mortages at 15%.

Think he blew his brains out a few years later.

One can never assume that things will stay the same, and Congress would be wise to step in with regulatory changes now–first, to prevent the sort of predatory lending practices that lead to this, second, to eliminate mortgage terms that prevent people from renegotiating such notes (like penalties that prevent paying off a note early), and making it possible for mortgage holders to renegotiate by reregulating the mortgage industry to push mortgage origination back to where it was most effectively managed–local banks and savings and loans. And, most importantly, undoing all the damage done to HUD in the Reagan/Bush years (which was never really repaired later), and provide sensible, low-cost rental housing so that people can once again start saving for home down payments.

Finally a real good idea to help homeowners but can Congress force Bush to make these changes?
Also can existing Home Mortgage contacts with these no renegotiate clauses be renegotiated if Congress does something?
I have no faith in the President doing anything to help the little guy. Especially if he thinks that its only uneducated African Americans losing their homes like the racist MSM keeps telling us.
I’ll believe Bush cares about African Americans when connected GOPers have to return the excess profits off their fat no bid rebuild New Orleans contracts and New Orleans is rebuilt.

things come undone @ 321

Talking about Helicoptering:

Won’t this devalue our currency even more? You are making me think that if Bernake gets his way and the Democrats do nothing then gold will skyrocket.

Yes it devalues currency, the dollar has slipped. Bernake got his way, poof, $30 billion gone. Gold already went up, it’s high… But the sky is the limit when people no longer value paper currency.

Fannie Mae started out being a way to develop a new market and ended as a vehicle for people to make individual fortunes. Surprised?

Only some of the illegal and unethical actions taken by management have seen the light of day. The whole secondary is a house of cards, and the wind is starting to blow.

things come undone @ 323

Me3 @ 321

As for a cut… Are you talking about interest rates?

Yes

I am not sure what they are going to do about rates. Rates want to go up, the Fed wants them stable. The Fed have been moving blocks of cash around the system at night to keep the overnight rate from ticking upwards, and this is an unusual level of control.

egregious @ 328

Fannie Mae started out being a way to develop a new market and ended as a vehicle for people to make individual fortunes. Surprised?

Only some of the illegal and unethical actions taken by management have seen the light of day. The whole secondary is a house of cards, and the wind is starting to blow.

Of all the mortgage lenders out there… fannie mae is in the best shape. They have very little bad paper, and had nothing at all to do with the private lending sector who speculated on real estate with borrowed money.

egregious @ 329

Fannie Mae started out being a way to develop a new market and ended as a vehicle for people to make individual fortunes. Surprised?

Only some of the illegal and unethical actions taken by management have seen the light of day. The whole secondary is a house of cards, and the wind is starting to blow.

I heard Fannie Mae had problems which of course Bush didn’t fix. Are you hinting they have more problems we don’t know about and that they can’t help us during this crises? Or are they are going to be hit by this crises too?
I need a score card to keep up with how and why all the departments of government don’t work under Bush.

Some of the FM problems have been forced out into the open, with subsequent resignations and changes.

things come undone @ 327

Finally a real good idea to help homeowners but can Congress force Bush to make these changes?
Also can existing Home Mortgage contacts with these no renegotiate clauses be renegotiated if Congress does something?

Sorry, late getting back to you (dial-up hell).

That, I don’t know. Doubtful, because of Constitutional language about prior restraint.

Bush will continue to bail out his buddies at everyone else’s expense. Bush would very likely veto legislation that interfered with his notions about government intervention. So, unfortunately, things will probably get worse before they get better.

I have no faith in the President doing anything to help the little guy. Especially if he thinks that its only uneducated African Americans losing their homes like the racist MSM keeps telling us.
I’ll believe Bush cares about African Americans when connected GOPers have to return the excess profits off their fat no bid rebuild New Orleans contracts and New Orleans is rebuilt.

I think you’re right. Let’s recall that Bush grew up in a family that felt mightily betrayed by FDR, because the government dared seize Grandpa Prescott’s assets for trading with the enemy (even though most of them were returned after the war), and not forget that one of the people involved in the plot to overthrow FDR in 1933 was Grandpa Prescott.

It’s ingrained in Bush that government should treat the wealthy very, very well. That’s an attitude of his that’s certainly not going to change because of a financial calamity brought on by the greedy impulses of the wealthy.

http://www.latimes.com/busines…..e-business

Run at the bank.

Countrywide put together a $11.5 billion reserve from a coalition of banks to try to cope with their short term cash needs… But they expect to go thru every penny.

Helicopter Ben is firing up his printing press.

If this was like the 1920’s, I’d call this the big one… Only dumping billions of fresh printed cash into the market has prevented a crash & bank run.

I’ll be back later have to drive my sister to the airport. I’m really proud of all of you. Back in college I never would have signed up for an economics class this early in the morning!

Mr Potato Head has Rove on MTP Sunday!

Me3 @ 335

http://www.latimes.com/busines…..e-business

Run at the bank.

Countrywide put together a $11.5 billion reserve from a coalition of banks to try to cope with their short term cash needs… But they expect to go thru every penny.

Helicopter Ben is firing up his printing press.

If this was like the 1920’s, I’d call this the big one… Only dumping billions of fresh printed cash into the market has prevented a crash & bank run.

Okay, next question. What’s the collapse of the yen carry trade going to do in all this? Yeah, first thing I’d figure would be it would further dry up foreign sources of liquidity, but, longer term?

Me3 @ 335

http://www.latimes.com/busines…..e-business

Run at the bank.

Countrywide put together a $11.5 billion reserve from a coalition of banks to try to cope with their short term cash needs… But they expect to go thru every penny.

Helicopter Ben is firing up his printing press.

If this was like the 1920’s, I’d call this the big one… Only dumping billions of fresh printed cash into the market has prevented a crash & bank run.

Printing a lot of money is supposed to cause inflation. Or, so I’ve been told.

wigwam @ 339

Printing a lot of money is supposed to cause inflation. Or, so I’ve been told.

Yep. Which makes this policy, in this situation, sort of prolonging the agony. With a credit crunch, though, without more liquidity, interest rates rise, anyway, because money itself has become a scarce commodity, which is also inflationary.

The root of all this is excessive debt (institutions and individuals took on imprudent levels of high-risk investments because the pay-off could be good, which then collapsed, instead of paying off…).

Therefore, the underlying problem is one of debt/insolvency. The resulting credit crunch is an effect, not a cause in itself. Trying to cure the credit crunch doesn’t do much to repair the root cause. *sigh* It just sort of keeps the balling rolling a while longer.

montag @ 340

wigwam @ 339

Printing a lot of money is supposed to cause inflation. Or, so I’ve been told.

Yep. Which makes this policy, in this situation, sort of prolonging the agony. With a credit crunch, though, without more liquidity, interest rates rise, anyway, because money itself has become a scarce commodity, which is also inflationary.

The root of all this is excessive debt (institutions and individuals took on imprudent levels of high-risk investments because the pay-off could be good, which then collapsed, instead of paying off…).

Therefore, the underlying problem is one of debt/insolvency. The resulting credit crunch is an effect, not a cause in itself. Trying to cure the credit crunch doesn’t do much to repair the root cause. *sigh* It just sort of keeps the balling rolling a while longer.

Don’t forget the hedge funds bought on margin mortgage debt with loans from banks up to 12 to 14 times the amount of money they had as colletral. Part of the problem is if these hedgefund guys go under they could sell all their assets and the banks would still have 12 to 14 the debt outstanding.
Never mind that in this market with everyone selling their assets as colleteral nobody will get a good price.

damn, when did mary get so …. HOT ?

aliasofwestgate @ 220

Suzanne @ 202

Wasn’t it Christopher Walken who did the video for FatBoySlim ahhh the name of the song escapes me. Walken walking on walls, ceilings, etc.

Weapon of Choice. *grins* One of the weirdest videos ever, but it grew on me.

That was the best video I ever saw on MTV. Walken got his start on Broadway and as you can tell, can still dance.

And Jane? Keep filling the wingers’ crack pipes, you’re the best.

GAWD THAT PICTURE IS TOO HILARIOUS