On Monday, George Bush was exchanging tearful farewell hugs with Karl Rove, the man he put in charge of US domestic policy knowing his skills in dividing the American people, poisoning our politics and branding critics of his war policies as either weak or unpatriotic. Meanwhile, the realities in Iraq were proving that the Commander in Chief remains unfit for office. As the al Maliki government struggled to survive, there were more US casualties, and horrific bombings that killed or wounded hundreds of Iraqis. But that was not all.
There are growing signs that the US mission in Iraq has failed at the most fundamental levels (h/t to reader WB, via Christy). Despite the presence of 160,000 US troops, neither we nor the Iraqi security forces seem able to improve security in ways that will reduce the overall violence in Iraq or reduce the number of Iraqi casualties. The central government is essentially non-functional; most of the cabinet is boycotting, and its ministries are simply sectarian points of graft for ransacking the country's remaining resources (or smuggling arms), while the security forces are often little more than sectarian militias in national uniforms with no real loyalty to the central government.
Army Chief of Staff General Casey struggled yesterday to find an appropriate euphemism for a result that he and others had predicted when the President rejected their advice against the surge strategy: President Bush's Iraq surge/escalation is breaking the Army. The best Casey could come up with to obscure the truth was to declare the Army is "out of balance." That apparently means that despite all the neocon talk of keeping the surge/escalation going indefinitely, as Generals Petraeus and Odierno have hinted, the US Army does not have the troops to sustain that level of combat operations more than a few more months, if that. Casey knows the limiting math has always been there, but the President and his neocon advisors chose to ignore that, hoping that the surge would miraculously produce instant results. Now the Administration hopes that no one notices that by creating conditions in which any withdrawal of US forces will be described as a scenario leading to chaos and/or genocide, their strategy has been marching US forces into a deadly trap from which there is no easy escape.
Casey's comments followed closely a report in the Guardian that the extended combat tours have left US forces exhausted.
Exhaustion and combat stress are besieging US troops in Iraq as they battle with a new type of warfare. Some even rely on Red Bull to get through the day. As desertions and absences increase, the military is struggling to cope with the crisis. . . .
. . . A whole army is exhausted and worn out. You see the young soldiers washed up like driftwood at Baghdad's international airport, waiting to go on leave or returning to their units, sleeping on their body armour on floors and in the dust.
Where once the war in Iraq was defined in conversations with these men by untenable ideas - bringing democracy or defeating al-Qaeda - these days the war in Iraq is defined by different ways of expressing the idea of being weary. It is a theme that is endlessly reiterated as you travel around Iraq. 'The army is worn out. We are just keeping people in theatre who are exhausted,' says a soldier working for the US army public affairs office who is supposed to be telling me how well things have been going since the 'surge' in Baghdad began.
The President's Iraq policy is indeed "out of balance," but it is not just America's inability to sustain high levels of combat troops. Bush's policies have always suffered from an imbalance between military versus diplomatic and political strategies, and the proof of that is now apparent even to the war's most persistent supporters. So when we hear long time war supporters like Pollack and O'Hanlon tell us "we might just win this war," (because that's what the military's carefully arranged dog and pony show told them) they mean the US military may be scoring victories against the sectarian militias they are fighting. But they do not claim we are making progress on the political front, either in encouraging internal reconciliation between warring factions or in securing the agreement among Iraq's neighbors to cooperate in its stabilization. Yet come September 15, everyone expects our Commander in Chief to ignore what the British have already concluded and instead read Petreaus' report as an endorsement of Bush's out of balance military escalation, even though none of its original political objectives are being met.
Much has been written here and elsewhere in the last three days about the pernicious impact Karl Rove had on American politics, public policy and government integrity. But we need to keep reminding ourselves that Karl Rove's ethics and tactics have been known to George Bush for 15 years. George Bush is responsible for keeping Karl Rove in a position where he could poison our politics, just as George Bush is responsible for allowing Dick Cheney to poison our foreign policy, destroy our international reputation, undermine our liberties and assault the Constitution's most important principles. It is George Bush who is responsible for keeping Alberto Gonzales as the nation's chief law enforcement officer, claiming that there is no reason to consider holding him accountable for undermining the rule of law and destroying confidence in the Department of Justice. And when General Casey complains that the US Army is "out of balance," let there be no mistake that he is talking about the Commander in Chief.
There have been nearly 3700 US soldiers killed in Iraq, a war Bush/Cheney lied us into against a country that posed zero threat to America. The war's direct economic costs now approach $500 billion and will eventually exceed a trillion dollars. But there are even greater opportunity costs that are yet to be counted, in neglected investments, health care not provided, education never completed, teachers and police not hired, schools and bridges left unrepaired, and on and on. In the last six years, according to New York Times columnist Bob Herbert, there were over 100,000 people murdered in America's cities, including the three kids just gunned down in Newark.
We hardly talk about these other costs of having Bush as Commander in Chief, because we are saddled with a President whose choice of friends/advisers and whose disastrous policy choices require that we focus on killing Iraqis instead of saving our own country. Now we're told he will veto every budget bill that provides "too much" money for everything from children's health to worker protection and block every piece of legislation that tries to address energy dependence, global warming, or the absence of universal health care. Nothing critical that needs to be done can or will get done as long as this crowd occupies the White House. Nothing.
Rove is leaving, but the core problem America faces still sits in the White House, smug in the belief he and Dick Cheney and Alberto Gonzales are accountable to no one and no law. Faced with such unprecedented Presidential misconduct, tell me again why starting impeachment proceedings, whatever the outcome, does not send the right signal to them and to our own future, and why we should not face this White House every day of its remaining term with the threat of removal. Because I just don't get it, no matter how weak the Democrats often seem. Standing up to this regime is the first duty of a patriot and the litmus test for any Democrat seeking our continued support.
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Zed!!
utterly unfit.
Zed
Dos!!
zed?
It’s the quick and the zed around here/
S’cuse. Slowed up by running into that awful awful pic at the top. Unfair Caw Caw.
But mightily approve of the title!
Memories, cloud the corners of my mind
well said, scarecrow.
very well said.
Great post. More than a mite depressing, showing just how deep the hole is that Bush has been digging, and the billions in lost opportunity costs. We’ve been going in the wrong direction and speeding backwards for too long. But it’s great to read such a clear and forceful statement of the situation, and we can always use the reminder that Bush bears direct responsibility for all of it. Rove is just the latest shiny object, and yes, Gonzo and more importantly Cheney (and Addington) are still in place.
Saying that he is unfit for command assumes that he ever was in command to begin with. It’s obvious he has no plan for ending this debacle. Does he even know how many troops are currently deployed in Iraq? And where? How many casualties we’ve suffered? How many troops we have in reserve? I doubt that he is even aware of anything that is going on in Iraq. Or anywhere else for that matter. He’s just a rich, white boob who happens to be our president.
OT- C-span2 is replaying La Mailkin holding forth on the evils of “The radical Left Blogosphere … which is undermining democracy, crushing dissent, slandering our troops” She is compelled to speak out against “these thugs”.
We’re liberal “propagators of hate”, I had no idea she was such a conservative super heroine!
orionATL @ 9
Very, well sad
Oh Scarecrow! If not now, WHEN? What else could Congress possibly require?
This administration is killing this country and all it stands for. We can’t just stand by and dumbly watch!
Adie @ 14
Permission from the corporations.
Standing up to this regime is the first duty of a patriot and the litmus test for any Democrat seeking our continued support.
A legitimate and necessary use of self-defense, not for party, but for the country and the world.
Impeach them all; Gonzalez, Cheney, and the Cipher-In-Chief. Tie their hands, use up their time and resources, and don’t stop until they’re gone.
Best defense is a good offense.
Thank you for this post. Looking ahead to the press gaggle with Ms. Perino, we can predict her answer to any question(s) about the White House authorship of the long-awaited Petraeus report:
“Look, it makes perfect sense that the White House author this report after gathering input from the generals on the ground, the ambassador, the intelligence we receive through the modernized FISA. ONLY the White House has that capability to incorporate all the intelligence. To advocate otherwise is the short-sighted, misguided approach of the Democrats who lack the understanding and appreciation for this global war on terror.”
Thank you, Ms. Perino: Can’t wait to read Mr. Cheney’s summary — written months ago.
Morning everyone. How is everyone this morning?
Clusterfuck knew that “the surge” was stupid when he did it. He only did it cause people were gonna raid the White House with pitchforks if he continued to “stay the course”. He needed something that looked new.
Now he’s gotta stretch out the evaluation period and then find somethin new again- and then he’s out of here- and a new president can either admit failure or continue the deadly game.
Damn, got EPU’d while researching all the links to my post :-(
I heard Casey’s remark about “out of balance” on CNN but haven’t tracked down a cite. If anyone saw a clip of that statement, send it along and I’ll add to the post. Thanks.
I’m with you, IMPEACH
Bushco is inherently contemptuous.
http://tinyurl.com/a6erq
The current government is under the misapprehension that they are there only by force of arms rather than by the grace of the citizenry. They don’t have a clue about tacit consent and how important that is to the survival of a government. They could deploy 500,000 troops in Iraq, but it won’t make a whit of difference to their Vichy government’s prospects, if the Iraqis want them out, now.
Casey: Army must train for conventional ops
I so badly want to see this entire administration impeached for all of this utter crap…but I’m afraid the election cycle is too close and our beloved pols’ attention is distracted by that shiny ball.
There are so many things we need to do to clean up the government, and it goes so far beyond issues of party control (though that is a necessary start) it isn’t even funny. Campaign reform, finance reform, tranparency and accountability reform, restoration of the Constitution — I can as easily see us fighting the Dems as the Repubs for these (although the fight will be easier with the Dems, I think). Dayum, I need more coffee…
raven @ 6
Urgh!
Breaking News! Terrorists are poisoning the American food supply. They are even poisoning our pet food! It has just been discovered that they have put lead paint into 9 million of our children’s toys.They harvest and sell human organs for money. They also sell weapons to insurgents in Iraq.
Worst of all, our federal government and our corporate journalists are accomplices to these crimes.
Hell, if it’s already a given that the WH is not going to allow any meaningful legislation to pass, why NOT start impeachment(s)?
Scarecrow, been reading your posts all morning. Exceptional. Thanks.
Oxymoron alert (from above post):
Rove’s ethics
Just sayin’.
Superb post, Scarecrow. Absolutely (and appropriately) withering.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 18
Good Morning Christy :)) I think we are doing fine if a little grumbly. It goes with the territory ;)
KARL ROVE says IRAQ is like VIETNAM!
Please repeat as necessary.
Reacharound courtesy of Mike Allen.
-GSD
N=1 @ 15
Well lah de dah! You’re as “down” as I is. I do swan! but never surrender… *sniffle*
HEY! I stand by my comments yestidie, btw. Watched tape again, & Jr. did NOT show any particular emotion. It was only rover who choked up. Jr wuz bidness as eewzual.
Check it out yerownselves pups, & see whut you see… too cold & hollow to tolerate “friends” when they’re in the way… yup. bloodless… yup… brainless? -uh- i don’t recall…
dang. forgot that xtra box a’ foil…
Me3 @ 32
Good to see you, Me3.
twolf1 @ 25
“He reiterated his opposition to extending rotations beyond the current 15 month war tours.
“Any more than that and it puts our soldiers at a level of strain and stress that I’m not comfortable with,” Casey said.”
I’m so goddamn glad that the generals “are not comfortable with this shit. I bet the groundpounders are too.
jayt @ 29
Good point - be hard to argue with that. And if impeachment proceedings would keep good legislation from being passed, it would also keep bad legislation from being passed. Or am I dreaming here?
American body counts mean zilch, at least at current levels.
They won’t affect our policy in Iraq until they double or quadruple. Domestically, they’re actually a plus for those waging the class war. What better way to clean up the streets?
If you look at it from that perspective, you’ll understand the non-chalance of this administration. Those things don’t really matter. They don’t mean squat.
GSD @ 33
Yep, commie simps and leftists are demoralizing the troops. They coulda won if it weren’t for:
______________, and ______________, and ______________. (Fill in the blanks.)
Hi Christy.
We’re up to no good, chewin’ up the slippers & hiding Scarecrow’s pencils. Hope you are well. ;->
Morning Christy & Jane - Scarecrow has been on fire this morning.
GSD @ 33
Looks to me like a full-frontal rather than a reach-around.
The failed presidency of George W. Bush.
Repeat, repeat, repeat. Make it stick.
http://www.americanchronicle.c.....leID=34921
BTW, I ran across this excellent article on Impeachment last night while browsing. I thought I would repost it, it’s really worth looking at.
Diane @ 41
that’s a terrible thought!
{{{Jane}}} too!
Hope you’re having a good morn.
Wow. The Lake feels warm today with everyone here.
GSD @ 33
About Rahm:
out of 434 (i don’t count johnson) members of congress…. only 2 people had the courage to stand up against the iran war mongering (h.con.r.21 and s.amdt.2073) - when every sane person aknowledges that attacking iran would be a disaster.
i do the math, and i don’t see this congress doing anything to stand up to bush and the pro-imperialist war mongers who support him… unless we find a way to make them.
GSD @ 33
You know I took a look at that article, and he sure sounds like a man who is still on the payroll.
Elliott @ 45 - sorry, I didn’t mean to conjur up that image.
But the very serious Anthony Cordesmann said that we’re spending less of our GDP on the military than we did during the Cold War, so obviously we can afford to continue indefinitely. (Of course, even if his figures are true, he cleverly avoided mentioning that we’re not taxing at the rate we did during the Cold War.)
selise @ 48
Me being redundant. Who is channeling Paul Wellstone???
Everything Rove says is predicated on what he wants people to think is the truth.
Everything.
-GSD
barbara @ 43
I’d like to see a photoshopped thingie with jr. on that carrier, only lookin’ about 2″ tall. Or maybe just 1″, suckin’ his thumb & clutching his blankie.
Diane @ 50
his writing is sizzlin’ tho.
Yes to “never surrender.” But I must say I feel like I’ve been beaten senseless and nothing has changed. The litany of crimes continues to grow, the howls and snarls of the wingnuts grows louder. The inertia of our legislature is a numbing sight to witness. There has to be a last straw event, right? right???
A significant attack on US troops or soil and a quick blame Iran strategy is all it will take.
No matter who the attackers.
It will be Groundhog Day 2002 all over again.
-GSD
excellent post, scarecrow.
SO glad to see the word “unfit”.
EPU’d from below……..
Scarecrow,
Please, please expunge the word “War” from your thinking about our presence in Iraq. It is an Occupation.
Unless all of us, Democratic, Republican and Independent, who are against the ridiculous “adventure” (whether we were for or against te initial invasion), continually hammer against the Occupation we are reducing the chances of success at weakening the Bush/Cheney position.
If at every opportunity “They” are pulled up and told to use the right word, ‘Occupation’ we are reducing their chances of their emoting about War!
And now, in addition:
I see Biden is now talking of three countries, so perhaps someone reads this site occasionally.
However hard it is, the US has to reach the point of accepting that it has so screwed up in the Near and Middle East that it has no part to play in the cleaning up.
I still think the best solution is to hand Iraq back to Turkey since the turks have 5 or 600 years experience at the job!
Stop Occupying Iraq now!
Failure just isn’t an option with Bush, ABSOLUTE failure is the norm.
Jane Hamsher @ 31
Morning, Ms. Hamsher. Thank you, but you are not out of the woods yet for outting my sewing hobby. :)
Oh, and I forgot to thank you Scarecrow for this post. I so appreciate your insight and commentary. Firedoglake is simply the best, all around.
Now back to lurker status…
What will be ‘interesting’ is how the next president deals with the next Israeli PM. Bibi.
Redshift, from the previous thread:
This is essentially digby’s argument. I am not saying that this is without merit. I AM saying that neither the media nor the politicians are confronting this issue.
I think you’re exactly right, and that eventually Steve Gilliard’s prediction that the US will be driven out will come true if the US remains in this stasis for long enough. There has been no change, other than for the worse in three years of relabeling the occupation. There is no reason to think things will not continue getting worse.
But unless the Democratic candidates confront this, and say,in very clear tones, that the result of a US withdrawal is unpredictable, and very likely to be quite bad in the immediate term, then we will not see a withdrawal. We will see this long war against a false enemy used to continue the existence of the military-industrial complex.
Dear Mods,
On a different computer. I am TexBetsy, but have no idea what the log-in nae/password combo was. I am not a sock-puppet, just a bored school bureaucrat on registration day.
Thank you.
From the LATimes:
Adie @ 34
I am in total agreement with you. I thought Bush looked distracted and bored, something we see alot. And the so-called bear hug, wasn’t all that enthusiastic, in my opinion. Even when Rove got all quivery, Bush seemed unmoved. The contrast in style between the two made me wonder what the REAL story behind the quit is. That and Bush’s comment that he hopes they can stay close friends. I’m still waiting to hear the shoe drop. Something, I’m pretty sure.
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/p.....070815.htm
More Rove fallout… Bush claims he is full speed stay the course mode, not even the press is buying it. The press is calling the Rove departure the end of the Bush regime.
Reddit points to another war horror.
Redshift @ 51
This bullshit about percentage of GDP is just that. GDP has nothing to do with it. (Hell, war production was 44% of GDP in the last year or two of WWII, and it didn’t impede the economy once the war was over).
What really counts is how much the government has to spend in the discretionary side of the budget, period. Defense spending of all kinds, war spending, VA and military retirement pay and benefits, along with interest on the debt related to military spending is quite close, this year, to $1 trillion (in fiscal year 2004, it was about $810 billion). That’s out of an entire discretionary budget of about $1.35 trillion (over $350 billion of that is interest on the debt).
We’re being bankrupted by this nonsense.
Screw Cordesman and his percent of GDP (hell, that was how the famed CIA measured the Soviet Union’s defense spending, and look how well they did with that).
It doesn’t matter if it’s 5% of GDP or 50%. If you’re spending beyond your means, it has to stop and stop before you’re udder up in the pasture.
Here is a complete surprise. (not)
Report: Top general may propose pullbacks for US troops in Iraq
Nick Juliano
Published: Wednesday August 15, 2007
September progress report being written by White House
A September report on military and political progress in Iraq is expected to recommend pulling back some US troops, although officials in the Bush administration and the military have acknowledged that political benchmarks in Iraq have not been achieved, the Los Angeles Times reports.
Although President Bush has long said the report will represent the views of Gen. David Petraeus, the commander of US troops in Iraq, and US Ambassador Ryan Crocker, it is actually being prepared by the White House with input from officials throughout the government, according to the Times.
snip
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/....._0815.html
unfit for anything.
it would also be nice to have a president who was competent to address domestic issues of the day, like:
Foreclosures hitting hard
Prices for key foods are rising sharply
GSD @ 33
Go *uck yourself Rovester and the Mike Allen you rode in on…
A Kos diary points out the following.
The US has just declared the Iranian Revolutionary Guard to be a terrorist organization.
The Joe Lieberman bill regarding Iran, that everyone signed contained this little clause:
(d) Nothing in this section shall be construed to authorize or otherwise speak to the use of Armed Forces against Iran.
Well, I guess the new terrorist determination now makes the Iranian Revolutionary Guard a terrorist outfit and not the Iranian armed forces and the US can use our armed forces against terrorists because the AUMF says so.
Cue Darth Vader’s theme.
-GSD
Frank33 @ 28
not-to-worry! it’s apparently just hunky dorrie, since Ch*na has “favored nation” status, or some nice thing like that. Besides, some very smart and efficient-sounding gov’t spokeslady on Lehrer last night said alls we need ta do is look thru the family toybox every day and check everything against the latest recall lists. She added that it’s up to other countries to check for safety of everylittlething before they ship stuff to us. She smiled so nice at the camera, and seemed such a firm believer. I trust her. Don’t you?
ANOTHER great diary. Thanks Scarecrow. You’re on fire today.
Adie @ 75
Gaaaaahhhhh. [Tearing remaining wisps of hair out.]
Frank33 - as upset and disgusted and scared as I am of the Bush Admin., I am totally at a loss as to what to do about the situation for Iraqi women in Iraq - or the thousands of Iraqi refugees selling their daughters in Syria, etc. This is horrific. This is a wound that will never heal.
Shrub was never fit to be Commander in Chief. Hell, he was never fit to be White House janitor. Here’s my prediction for the September surge report: it will ignore the situation on the ground in Iraq and instead bang a big drum for attacking Iran — as in, look! Over here! A bright shiny object with a loudmouth head of state and possible nuclear weapons! Sound familiar? The “threat from Iran” will be just too great to withdraw our troops at this time…
Not to mention our GDP is the largest in the world. This is a matter or word smithery.
The US outspends everyone by hundreds of billions of dollars. Hundreds of billions.
When they use GDP as a metric the US rates lower than a lot of poor nations.
Silly liars.
-GSD
Scarecrow @ 61
Hey Scarecrow. Read some of the O’Brian “Aubrey” series of books (”Master & Commander” etc.). All those ruff ‘n tuff sailors of old were superb seamsters, sewed their own clothes & all. You old salt, you. You’re in good company. Huzzah Caw!
wow. Scarecrow, you are on a serious roll today. thanks for all this. great work.
And the administration is going to label Iran’s Republican Guard as “global terrorists”.
Adie @ 81
I claim only to iron my own shirts. My sewing sucks.
Excellent post, as usual Scarecrow. You’re telling it like it is, and it is grim.
Outstanding work Scarecrow.
Other Pat @ 17
Is that an actual quote? From yesterday’s presser? I could add that as a link if you have it.
I almost drove off the road when AAR’s Stephanie Miller called it the “Brokeback Press Conference.”
The global terrorists are not Iran’s “Republican Guard”. It’s our ‘Republican Guard’.
twolf1 @ 25
thank you. I’ll add the link.
Adie @ 14
Permission from the corporations.Scarecrow @ 61
Oh, fer gawd’s sake, sewing is not the same as needlepoint. Any manly man knows that….
(Just ask all those tough guy surgeons out there how they learned to suture, and how they now hem their own pants and darn their own socks.)
And, I forgot to ask: are you a 10 or a 14 to the inch kind of guy?
U.S. to move on Iran’s Revolutionary Guard
Administration will designate group as ‘global terrorist’
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20269253/
GSD @ 33
Wow, now I know why this guy is resigning. A.)He is completely out of touch with reality.
B.)His plans to architect a permanent Republican majority have resulted in a 15% decline in those who identify themselves as Republican or leaning Republican.
In real world terms, thats like being the architect on a 100 story building and losing 15 floors. Rove’s rationale: Well it was a lot closer to being a solid building than the Democrats want to believe. What a complete moron.
Linda @ 56
no, i don’t think so. i think if there is to be a “last straw event”, we must make it happen.
from:
“they thought they were free: the germans 1933-45″
by Milton Mayer
published in 1955
Anyone have any insight on why the rethug base seems to be happy by the “progress” of this surge? I’m confused, but in the last week I’ve had two rethug friends throw our “success” in my face. I’m unclear what news sources they’re using, but I haven’t seen any “success”
IrishJim @ 92
Not a moron. But not the genius that the media makes him out to be.
And today the first thing I hear when I open my eyes is that Bush is declaring the Iranian Republican Guard a terrorist organization. Couple that with Petreaus’ declaration that we are ready to redeploy trrops in Iraq because things are going SO WELL there, and the fact that Rove was the only obstacle between Cheney and invasion of Iran, and I get a very sick feeling in my stomach. I have been sick since yesterday when they announced Rove was leaving, because I do not think anyone in the world could have pried him from where he was except Dick Cheney.
Those dickheads in Congress better haul ass back to Washington or Cheney will order air strikes before the end of the month. Iran has a million well rested troops, and all of the world on their side if we start another illegal, immoral war. I hate Rove, but I am terrified of that evil, murderous bastard Cheney.
IrishJim @ 92
“Standing up to this regime is the first duty of a patriot and the litmus test for any Democrat seeking our continued support.”
This morning’s WJ on C-Span is an indication of the nation’s sentiments. The callers where brutal,good and connected the dots well.Disgustfor the present situation clearly crossed party lines.
ATT and NSA = “CORPOGOVERNMENT”
The Greatest threat to liberty, as forwarded by ?.
Good post. The sickest thing is the media’s willingness to stand by the Bush Administration for so long. Few..Few have broken away from this mold. The television has almost gone the way of the radio. And News Corporation will try to do the same with the newspapers soon enough.
Why doesn’t the FCC limit media monopolies?
Pollock is a fish.
What needs to also be realized when talking about overstretching the army is that this is a brutal deployment. There is no safe place to withdraw to, and every patrol represents mortal danger. There was a video/pictorial essay up on the Guardian last week, soldiers saying that pulling a shift every six hours, seven days a week, is an intolerable strain.
During Vietnam, there was Saigon, and Guam. For these soldiers, they’re on the front, all the time. I think you’d have to go back to WWI to see an example of service as brutal as these guys are undergoing.
For nothing, except one man’s ego and a bunch of corrupt liars.
Maunga — I usually do say “occupation.” I’ll check.
“Standing up to this regime is the first duty of a patriot and the litmus test for any Democrat seeking our continued support.”
For me, standing up to this regime is the first duty of any PERSON seeking my continued support. Independent, Green, Republican, hell, I don’t care. Just, someone, stand up to the bully, please. No bully considers relenting until he is punched in the mouth and bloodied.
Great series, Scarecrow. However, at the risk of taking a real drubbing here, I disagree with your conclusion that impeachment proceedings should be initiated.
With the current makeup of the Senate, and the continuing cohesiveness of the rethugs on everything remotely partisan, conviction is impossible, unless a real smoking gun is discovered. The ongoing investigations into the Bush administration will expose the gun, if it exists and can be brought to light.
The rethugs and their enablers in the media have already been pushing the “do nothing Congress” meme and impeachment proceedings would play right into it. The readers here, informed and aware, know that the rethugs have been obstructing progress via filibuster and veto threats, but this is not what the media is presenting.
I think most of us do not consider how woefully ignorant the average voter is. Most voters are only marginally aware of politics at all; that’s the main reason that “catapulting the propaganda” has been so successful for the current administration.
The real question is, aside from creating a lot of happy campers on the left and creating a propaganda opportunity for the right, what would impeachment hearings gain us that investigative hearings would not?
It’s more than clear that the reasons for the war… never actually stated or fessed up to.. are the same reasons they are not going to leave Iraq.
The war is a win win win win for the right and they aren’t going to let go. They are funneling enormous resources into the MIC and keeping it away from “entitlements”. Pukes just love that .. kill two birds with one stone…
Then you have the privatization or modernization of the military and an excuse to pump trillions into the DOD and their SUBcontractors.
The you can frame the others as anti American troop hating wuses.
Oh and then there’s the oil which is conveniently there for our national security interests.
Another two birds with one stone is to bomb the hell out of some place and then give HalliBecthtel no bids to pretend rebuild.
And we get some mighty big bases to hop over to the next domino. But we are a different side of this domino came. We are out to topple them this time.
The bought up the media, slacked the laws, gutted the FTC and turned all these corporations free to get the job done… make profits that is and if you haven’t noticed.. Exxon did $40 billion last yet. Blackwater is raking it in.. and NOLA is prepped for some corporate style Disneyization and.. more profit.
These guys have hit the numbers. They ain’t going gently into the night.
RE-Post..More 1984..fiction is now reality..
U.S. to Expand
Domestic Use
Of Spy Satellites
By ROBERT BLOCK
August 15, 2007; Page A1
The U.S.’s top intelligence official has greatly expanded the range of federal and local authorities who can get access to information from the nation’s vast network of spy satellites in the U.S.
The decision, made three months ago by Director of National Intelligence Michael McConnell, places for the first time some of the U.S.’s most powerful intelligence-gathering tools at the disposal of domestic security officials. The move was authorized in a May 25 memo sent to Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff asking his department to facilitate access to the spy network on behalf of civilian agencies and law enforcement.
http://online.wsj.com/article/.....tors_picks
This type of WSJ reporting is headed for the scrap heap.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 83
Well, if nothing else, the admin would know about republican’s being terrorists now wouldn’t they?
And, I forgot to ask: are you a 10 or a 14 to the inch kind of guy?
Average 7-8
selise @ 48
I had a long exchange with you on this before, but I think it bears repeating: any resolution Congress passes only rises to rhetoric, not action. As pertains to foreign policy, our system of government is not republican democracy, it’s empire. Even if you made Congress do something it wouldn’t change our foreign policy. The War Powers Act (to take the example this non-lawyer is familiar with) is a completely justified assertion of Congressional powers as enumerated in the Constitution, but it’s been flouted and derided from the moment it was passed. Even Bill Clinton was able to wage undeclared war.
There is no way at this point to stop the war politically. Hillary Clinton will be our nominee and then president. She supported the invasion and supports continued occupation. Even if she wanted the end of the war she’s just one politician and the people who created her are “liberal hawks”.
Don’t take me to be more pessimistic than I am, however. Small-d democratic opposition to the war puts sand in the gears. For example, we can’t stop an attack on Iran, but we can make sure there is no draft or other enlargement of the army, and thereby render an attack a futile one that only precipitates the collapse of the whole venture. In this way there’s a certain sick truth to the accusation of wingnuts that we don’t “want to win”, even as they continue to hold our frayed and vulnerable army hostage.
Ultimately the rest of the world will be doing the heavy work to end the war by ruining us military and financially. For example, the point at which my pessimism about the inevitable attack on Iran turned to something like optimism was when Hezbollah defeated Israel last summer: They delayed U.S. designs on Iran more than Congress ever could, even if it wanted to. They also showed we can’t beat Iran, much less invade it. Frankly, I’m not so sure I wouldn’t prefer this fuckup Cheney to start the war than have Clinton do it, if that’s what has to happen.
Impeachment is at least as much about the investigations and the trial as it is about conviction. Clinton was never convicted, but how often do you hear that he was impeached.
Rove is leaving, but the core problem America faces still sits in the White House, smug in the belief he and Dick Cheney and Alberto Gonzales are accountable to no one and no law.
And why shouldn’t they be smug?!
Nothing is being done (and nothing will be done) to stop them!
Steve-AR @ 105
Y’know, before the Iraq invasion, we had two satellites over the region 24/7, and NRO was squawking constantly that it was using up resources to do so. Now, they’ve got plenty with which to spy on us?
What’s wrong with this picture?
montag @ 98
I saw a clip over the last couple of days that shows Rove as a young Republican operative. He was holding up a sign saying Republicans for Peace.
I wonder if his College age Kid will be joining the military?
Oh, and Montag at 77, there’s MORE!
There was another nice lady from the govrmet eddycayton office on Lehrer burbling over with good tidings! Why? - because all the abject failure being caused, I mean, revealed by “No Kids Behinded” means “Progress”! It’s GOOD news! Because it shows we measured something, I don’t recall what. But she seemed very smart and efficient too, and a true believer for sure.
You’ll never guess how I knew that, so I’ll just tell you. She said absolutely everything in the most wonderful way, by posing her own rhetorical questions for herself, and then answering every single one of them with some snappy little reply like, “Absolutely!”
It’s all so simple, if we would just believe.
Rummyspeak shall save the worlllllllllld.
*clicks heels together three times*
yeah. all-together-now, by the mark, “AAAAAAAAARRRRRRRGGHHHH!”
Blub @ 94
They are probably referencing the self-serving Pollock and O’Hanlan neo-con op ed in the NYT a couple weeks ago. The two originally claimed to be against the war (false). THe NYT here, as in the earlier Judy Miller writings, has paved the way for a renewal of the “Surge.” (Of course coupled with the neo-con pro war rants of their “ace” reporters now covering the war. Alas, they have had some success in convincing Americans that the “surge is working.” And equally telling, we seem to have no one on our side whose opposing views will be taken up by MSM in the same way. Nor, alas do the Dem Congress members want to enter into this. They clearly are going to sign on the bottom line.
Scarecrow @ 107
Oh. That’s interesting….
Anyone recall a Bush comment of some months back that he was taking steps to make sure that future presidents would have to remain in Iraq?
Arming an insurgency by “losing” nearly 200,000 weapons that seem all to have found their way into the hands of the folks killing US troops seems to go a long way to doing just that.
I cannot imagine any active plan Bush could implement that would further the aims of the Iraqi sectarians more fully than what his administration does through incompetence.
Bush is without doubt the most willfully destructive and irresponsible president our country has had to suffer. He is not only destroying the integrity of American government, he’s destroying the American military’s ability to defend our country. Impeachment is too compassionate a punishment for one so deserving of being prosecuted as a negliglently incompetent commander-in-chief who aides, abets and enables America’s enemies.
I beat the terrorists in about thirty hours! On 9-12-01, around sunset, I quit being afraid.
The real question is, aside from creating a lot of happy campers on the left and creating a propaganda opportunity for the right, what would impeachment hearings gain us that investigative hearings would not?
If we have the time and political skill to conduct “investigations,” and not suffer the political costs you fear, then we can do that in the name/cause and with the objective of asking whether this crown should be removed from office. Make it explicit, that every time they stonewall an investigation, as they have/will, it become another brick in the argument to remove them from office. Now it goes for naught.
Scarecrow, you scamp. You can’t escape.
My dear, very manly man of a hubby - HE irons HIS own shirts too, but doesn’t like sewing much (okay with the occasional button, but …)
Yer a very special fella!
Adie @ 113
“AAAAAAAAARRRRRRRGGHHHH!”
Sadist. :)
Eureka Springs @ 119
Took me a whole lot longer. Had to become politically educated and aware. Had to realize that it was the gov’ts intention to scare me.
Scarecrow @ 120
Impeachment is the only political way to end the war. For that reason it won’t happen.
N=1 @ 115
That Hamsher woman is responsible for my having to learn this.
Scarecrow–
I was too cryptic earlier. Pollock’s name is spelled “Pollack,” I believe.
GSD @ 33
It’s true! Just like during Viet Name, no one from the Bush family is willing to serve!
OT..More Susan Collins campaign meltdown.
ME-Sen: Susan Collins wants terrorist attack on SF
by kos
Wed Aug 15, 2007 at 07:44:51 AM PDT
Under the Collins campaign’ own rules, anything written in the comments of a blog is representative of those who run the blog.
So since the Maine Web Report is run by Collins’ director of online communications, we can say this comment essentially came out of Susan Collins’ mouth:
Arthur Frain, Portland ME
Aug 14th, 2007 at 7:58 pm
You know what this country needs? Another terrorist attack. Take out SF or some other city full of dirty libs, and then the country will rally behind the GOP for protection.
www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/8/15/103522/177
as agents for a foreign power, they have done just what they intended.
why is treason so acceptable?
It’s time to start blaming the Clintons, Kerry and the entire dlc mentality as well. If the US of A is captive to another 8 years of the Clintons’ nonsense, the babyboomers’ national leadership may well be charged as the dark age of this country’s history.
From AP:
jayackroyd @ 100
I think they do get R&R, just as we did (two weeks) for a one-year tour in Nam. But I suspect the nature of the Iraq house-to-house combat, with bomb-traps everywhere, takes a greater toll, much sooner — just a guess.
Headline of today’s LA Times: Top general pay propose pullbacks.
The sole remaining military objective of U.S. forces in Iraq is to avoid the admission of defeat on Bush’s watch. No more, no less. This is now, as it always has been, a war of presidential vanity.
Steve-AR @ 128
Oh good grief! What do they imagine THAT would accomplish?
montag @ 122
I tell ya. I lost my appetite then & there! It’s a bad thing when the head cook loses her appetite in the midst of dinner prep. *sigh*
I try to tell myself I don’t hate those people. I don’t hate anyone. That’s the only way I can do it. But what they’re doing is sick and evil and shameful. They just make my heart ache.
jayackroyd @ 125
Thanks, sorry I missed that. It’s fixed.
Bottom line: The US Congress is a clueless, craven, cowardly bunch of pirates. Instead ships as bases of operation, their Whydahs are their congressional office suites, and their crew is made up of their staffs.
Their intent is to protect their turf and steal what they can from the US Treasury.
Otherwise, I can’t explain their refusal to impeach this administration.
We can’t hope they will see the light. They are willfully blind. Unless The American People take to the streets and demand, pitchforks in hand, that this government get out of Iraq now, why shouldn’t every member of our military just walk away?
If we don’t perform our part of the bargain, why should our soldiers perform theirs? And by the way, when this is over, I think there should be a general amnesty for every troop who went AWOL or deserted.
Steve-AR @ 127
Guess Arthur’s pretty certain that the Islamofascists will never find Portland, ME, on the map….
Jackson Pollock–abstract expressionist painter
Ken Pollack–”war expert”
wigwam @ 132
and oil
On vietnam analogies.
This is nothing like Vietnam. It’s worse in every way. As I said above, there is no rear–every patrol is on the front. There is no place to go for respite, other than the Green Zone, which is no longer completely safe.
The endgame is worse in every way, because there was one actual enemy who, when he took Saigon, took power. In Iraq, there is no clear enemy, and there will be no state if the US leaves. Somalia is a better analogy.
Adie @ 133
I’d tell you why my screen name is montag, except that I’d get a lecture from the proprietors….
It just gets stranger:
How lawyer navigates sea of secrecy in bizarre case
Among the obstacles: responding to a filing he can’t see and writing a brief with none of his notes at hand.
By Henry Weinstein, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
August 15, 2007
SAN FRANCISCO — Oakland lawyer Jon Eisenberg calls the case of Al-Haramain Islamic Foundation v. George W. Bush the strangest he has ever handled. How strange? Eisenberg was required to write one of his briefs in a windowless government office, without notes or lawbooks, under the watchful eye of two federal security guards.
When he got hungry, one of the guards brought him a banana. And when he finished, a security official shredded all his drafts — and even the banana peel, Eisenberg said.
The brief-writing session was just one facet of the extraordinary secrecy surrounding the Al-Haramain case, Eisenberg said. Al-Haramain is one of dozens of plaintiffs across the nation that have filed suit, claiming they were illegally spied on by the government as part of the war on terror.
[snip]
Steve-AR @ 106
That looks like a really important story. First expand the intelligence net and take off the restrictions on spying on Americans, then give the information to lots of people who can misuse it. This is exactly what the Church Committee uncovered 30 years ago. Shame on the 16 Senators and 41 Reps - Dems to allowed this.
Biodun @ 128
I have a better idea. We should just leave the contractors there. Then we can extract our troops in half the time. The mercenary contractors can sacrifice themselves as a rear guard, to protect our troops. We will shed a tear for their heroic defense every Mercenary Day.
you know what I just realized?
pelosi is counting on America having the ability to overcome the additional issues that WILL be caused by this president
she thinks that if we hold out for the next two years, we will be able to recover when the new administration takes office
sadly nancy, that would be a no
maintining infrastructure cost multitudes more then replacing infrastructure that fails through neglect
every lost life that shouldn’t have been lost could have been an einstein or a newton…and we would never know it
the person that found cures for cancer could have been that boy or girl that died today or tomorrow
and each and every day breeds new youngsters that turn against us with more and more violent idiology
once turned, a terrorist will be almost impossible to “win their heart or mind”
nancy, this country cannot wait for the next administration, our children can’t wait, the world can not wait
Wigwam:
Presidential sin.
Thou shalt not steal. Thou shalt not kill.
Thou shalt not covet. Thou shalt not bear false witness…..
Blessed are the peacemakers.
Bush fails on all counts.
CNN - major military operation in east afghanistan - at Tora Bora. air and ground strikes underway. us officials “tora bora has become a safe haven for al qaeda once again.”
@ 133
Some right wing talk show host called for this - and then got alot of Fox news publicity. The real fear with something like this isn’t that these idiots are thinking (and saying) it, but rather that one of these idiots on the right will want to be a “hero” and bring about some attack, as clearly one of the right wing did with Anthrax.
brendan @ 109
wasn’t trying to restart our old discussion. just trying to use this vote as an illustrative example of what our congress is willing and not willing to do. even if all they are capable of is rhetoric, we see that they use their rhetoric in service of those who want to make an attack on iran possible.
this is not a good sign that our congress is going to be willing to stand up to bush and start impeachment hearings - unless we find a way to make it in their interest.
Frank33 @ 143
The only advantage to that is that the wrongful death suits would bankrupt Blackwater….
perris @ 145
Restore Democracy Now.
Scarecrow @ 143
the very first thing we need to do to get hold of the issue is talk about these programs with the proper perspective
instead of “warrantless spying” we need to use “stealing my information”
we need to demonstrate in the very context of discussion why we cannot allow looking into our lives without a judge to make sure they are not stealing from us.
we need to phrase the programs so the base gets an idea of what is going on, we cannot let them choose the terms that we discuss our issues, we choose the terms
Christy has a new thread. Thanks for the great comments, as always.
On spy planes, no doubt you have also seen the item (I think on Raw) that in NYC they are seeing more “home grown” terrorists on the rise. No doubt with our amoral, death-driven Mid-East policies this is bound to happen here as it did in Great Britain after their involvement in the Iraq occupation. However, I wouldn’t put it past this administration from putting this out there as an excuse for even more indepth spying on citizens and arrests and imprisonment without trial those they see as supporting such a movement.
Labeling the Iranian National Guard as a terrorist organization will enable BushCo to put an economic squeeze on Iran.
montag @ 150
Congress will indemnify them, Blackwater and Ilk
selise @ 149
You’re right about that 97-0 “rhetoric” being worse than I thought at the time: it was prefatory to yesterday’s executive order on Iran’s Revolutionary Guards.
Scarecrow @ 130
Thanks for pointing that out. Where do they go, do you think? Kuwait?
Scarecrow @ 152
It was a twelve caw morning
Biodun @ 154
It’s worse than that: see Kagro X at http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/15/85828/4977
My third “big gulp size” cup of coffee has activated my tin-foil hat.
Why would Gonzalez what the authority for the next Atty General to fast track death penalty cases; when the present administration, including Gonzales, are war criminals?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 63
The Lobby, and A*P*C’s little beavers working at all levels of the US Government and Congress will see to it that absolutely nothing but a continuing grovel to the Z*onist Lobby is maintained despite the fact that such a policy is so lethal to the US;’s long-term economic survival.
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jayackroyd @ 126
Right. And he has a very interesting background. Per the Wikipedia:
Per Glenn Greenwald:
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jayackroyd @ 158
And U.A.E, perhaps Europe? dunno. When you’ve got only a week, and it takes you a day and half to get from your unit to your distination in __? and that much to get back, it limits where you can go.
Biodun @ 66
Which is why the White House will be writing the report to Congress.
albert fall @ 117
That *is* bothersome. I had trouble writing-off the failure to guard Iraq’s national weapons caches after the initial invasion. Eventually, we accepted it as just another example of Bush stupidity. But this suggests otherwise.
You can’t have a war without an enemy, and you can’t have an enemy that doesn’t have weapons.
That’s War 101.
Scarecrow @ 102
Tsk! Tsk! —Twas the headline! You do indeed usually say Occupation, and it is wonderful how more and more of our (I believe the mods do not like me saying Congressional gutless scum,) Beloved Leaders are saying it too following our lead.
Blub @ 95
I smell whiffs of official bluster & talking point dispersion. Our local newspaper letters-to-ed section is showing more wingnut letters with exact same wording/bits of sentences strung together, as if people have been told what to say & are writing on cue, not out of knowledge. Same for tvnonsense - a bunch of people showing up as “experts” & simply claiming progress but without a hint of backup with facts, then filibustering into commercial… sound familiar?
Yes indeed. It’s annoying at the very least, especially when the MSM just lets it fly without rebuttal or comment of any kind, other than “Thank you for that.” Whu?!
Prairie Sunshine @ 147
Presidential sin.
Thou shalt not steal. Thou shalt not kill.
Thou shalt not covet. Thou shalt not bear false witness…..
Blessed are the peacemakers.
Bush fails on all counts.
You’ll get much further with the wingnuts talking about SIN than talking about CRIME.
@ 140
I read some time ago that Iraq’s current is oil production is more than 80% of its prewar level. It brings in about 80 billion dollars per year, and we’re paying about twice that to ride shotgun protecting that oil. We could buy their oil for less than it’s costing us to steal it.
OT - Rumsfeld resigned before election, letter shows
Fresh thread for everyone…
JF @ 165
Shorter version: Whack-a-mole redux.
I haven’t seen all of the LA Times piece. It is good that they are pointing this out. I wonder if they went on and listed all the ways the “surge” has failed and the worsening of conditions in Iraq.
N=1 @ 116
My mom got serious carpal tunnel problems from needlepoint habit. It’s a tough world out there. Be careful guys! ;->
selise @ 150
You two and Scarecrow are right on the money in all your aspects, and Selise, your “in their interest” is just spot dead centre.
Or congress members just do not understand they represent us and they have got away with that notion for many, many years.
Gunga Djinn @ 167
I actually think this was a fuckup. I think they (Wolfowitz and Feith) disbanded the Iraqi army to create a power vacuum, but they wanted it a vacuum easily occupied by our army.
twolf1 @ 172
haha. they finally found it?
twolf1 @ 172
So ALL of the spin about Bush “getting the message” and “listening to the voters” were out and out lies.
-GSD
montag @ 142
;->
guess what else is in the Iran Counter-Proliferation Act bill:
“(8) The Secretary of State should designate the Iranian Revolutionary Guards as a Foreign Terrorist Organization under section 219 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1189) and the Secretary of the Treasury should place the Iranian Revolutionary Guards on the list of Specially Designated Global Terrorists under Executive Order 13224 (66 Fed. Reg. 186; relating to blocking property and prohibiting transactions with persons who commit, threaten to commit, or support terrorism).”
hmmmmmm.
bradbury’s farenheit? montag?
Scarecrow says “tell me again why starting impeachment proceedings, whatever the outcome, does not send the right signal to them” - exactly. They won’t pay attention to anything else. Start proceedings now.
Adie @ 179
Um, yes, but, then, I’d have to explain why… something Montag says when he finally makes the transition from fireman to radical reader, when he’s overwhelmed by what he’s learned. :)
Scarecrow @ 87
No, no, no: I made it up in anticipation of what we would likely be told from those who are so much wiser than we are. Sorry for the confusion.
Start calling and writing the media and congress now to stop Cheney from taking the heat off the Iraq debacle by provoking an ‘incident” with Iran. The media has already begun the administration parroting AGAIN!
i give him two-four weeks before he pulls the trigger.
This war has always possessed an eerie parallel with previous wars. At first it was like Vietnam on crack, as we watched the attempt to install a puppet government collapse under the resistance from Sistani, the first major bombing in August, the attack on Wolfowitz when he was at the hotel in Baghdad in early november, and the descent into general atrocity that marked the effort to capture Saddam. (that was the original mission of Abu Ghraib).
We are now in a phase that resembles the Eastern front after the Battle of Kursk. By that time the German military knew for sure that the war was lost, and that the best that could be done was to buy time by establishing defensible lines further west. The soldiers just went out to do their work. Heinrich Boll’s Der zug war punktlich (The Train was on Time) is a wonderful short novel that captures the essence of that phase.
At the centre, much the same as well. Belief in propaganda over fact, unwillingness to think through the consequences of inevitable defeat in order to minimize them. This is all going to play out as badly as those of us who opposed pre-emptive war from the start feared.
We will all pay for this. The soldiers are making the down payment.
rwcole @ 19
That was what I thought until it became so clear that things are going to get very, very bad long before Jan. 20, 2009. Now I think the Democrats have been coerced into a game of chicken by proxy. The Republicans are going to keep driving our troops toward the edge of the cliff, gambling that the Democrats won’t be able to stand it, and will do whatever it takes to stop them. Then, forever after, the Republicans will claim that we were on the brink of success but those darn, traitorous Democrats stabbed American victory in the back. If they lose the gamble, and the Democrats either won’t or can’t stop them, well the Republican party will take a tremendous hit. But it won’t do much for the Democratic party either. And in the end, Bush and Cheney have enough money to buffer them against any real consequences from destroying the U.S. defense forces.
I’ve been watching the entire West Wing series this Summer (never saw it while it was running) and I think besides my meds, it is the only thing keeping my blood pressure in the normal range. I fantasize that things could be that way. Last night I was surprised by the idea that re-instituting a military draft would be a playing field leveler. Of course it would also mean a great deal more fodder for the bush cannons and a population surge for Canada and other countries. Also wondering what oaths are sworn by those joining the military–are they also supposed to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States? Do they swear loyalty to the President? Just rambling here…
How in the hell does anyone think that with the military “out of balance” the US can wage another war? I suspect that balance may refer to the checkbook as well.
I am just sick in my heart about the state of my country. We have no leaders. Where are the ass-kickers when we so desperately need them? Are there any? Is there even one person in the Congress who will stand up unafraid and say, “this is wrong, this must end, the Constitution is NOT just a goddamned piece of paper, and we must throw this administration out whatever the personal consequences.”
I think I’ll go iron some of my wife’s blouses and try to calm down.
MayDaze @ 104
Scarecrow, I agree impeachment is worth a shot even if Senate Republicans put party above country and defeat the effort, but I don’t think impeachment is going to happen no matter how many posts you write on the subject. Congressional Democrats keep signing blank checks and handing them to Bush. I don’t know why. Perhaps like people here, they expect to win in 2008, wave their magic wand, and make everything well even though every Democratic candidate except Kupinace (I guess the name’s spelled wrong) sees a long occupation after 2008.
It is easy, as MayDaze does, to attribute our problems to the stupidity of our countrymen and women, but our problems are far more profound. Everything we talk about from restricting civil liberties to bombing Iran is done by our fellow citizens. Bush does none of these things himself. Hierarchical thinking has us following orders, a situation reinforced by the powers that be who pass laws making disobedience criminal.
I know an African American who happens to be a policeman in Stamford. I asked him were he to be ordered to police a peace demonstration would he push the demonstrators around. He said it was a tough question, which he did not answer. I believe he would push back, not only in what he sees as self defense, but to maintain an order he swore to uphold.
It’s here blogs fail us. Mostly we preach to the choir. When we interact with people who disagree with us, it’s usually name calling. One problem is lying. When Bill O’Reilly says the daily kos is a “hate site”, how can one respond anymore than one who is branded an anti-semite because he doesn’t see the Palestinians as all bad and Israel all good can protest? How do we respond to blatant lies? Yell “Liar, liar pants on fire!” We are all devout in our fashion. Few of us are much good at questioning what we believe to be true.
Iraq remedy: The main necessity for extrication
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To extricate one’s arm from a toilet, it’s a necessity to first let go of the large shiny object you’ve wrapped your fist around.
I’ve been laughing for a day or so now.
The source of humor was the description of the Iraq situation from one of the usual ‘inside’ narcissistic bright minds. He said that figuring out the Iraq situation was like “playing three dimensional chess in the dark while you are being shot at.”
The actuality of how to deal with and accommodate or not accommodate the various parties goals and motives is logically inordinately simple.
A. America can neither stay in Iraq nor leave Iraq and have easy, cordial, aligned interests with any eventually arising central dominant force/government.
B. If America semi ’stands down’ behind a multinational force the chances for a settlement and a hopeful future for Iraq (and the region) brighten.
C. Alternatively, if America insists on a continuing presence they should henceforth implement a tri-part Iraq. Post establishment of same, the U.S. could implement massive aid to each faction and a return to the time honored foreign policy of “bribe-the-dictator.”
The metaphor I prefer for the Iraqi quagmire is that America forcefully shoved its arm into a deeply murky toilet to retrieve a bright shiny object. To extricate itself it simply needs to unclasp its rigid grasp and withdrawal will easily proceed.
This simple and logical opinion arrives at the same conclusion as that of the Iraq Study Group. Their advice was:
A. Inform the Iraqis et al that the U.S. will eventually disassemble their major bases in Iraq and leave. (”Let go of the shiny object!”)
B. Form a multinational force (preferably with Arab country participation) to oversee security and policy making for Iraq. (”Take your arm out of the toilet.)
(–cognitorex–)
Bless you Scarecrow; keep it up.
Steve-AR @ 128
Wow! … Just Wow!
Biodun @ 156
I think what you meant to say was now Bush & Co will steal everything they can from Iran.
Appropriations Committee Chair Dave Obey thinks re-establishing our Constitutional system of government and the rule of law is “unproductive”:
http://www.wausaudailyherald.c.....1/70813087
Representative Obey has better things to do and ‘other priorities.’ It is of no moment to him or to his long-time comfortable caucus colleagues that our Republic’s rule of law, and thus our liberty, is in danger of disappearing altogether.
MayDaze @ 104 - My stab at convincing you and others of the utility (nevermind the wisdom and Constitutional necessity) of impeachment proceedings at this time:
1. Not one single Member of Congress is required to pre-judge and “vote for impeachment” in order to launch an investigation. All we are asking (demanding) of our legislators is that they vote first in the House Judiciary Committee to request permission to open an inquiry into possible impeachment of one or more individuals, and second, that the whole House vote, by simple majority, to grant the HJC that authority to investigate in advance of the possible drafting of one or more Articles of Impeachment. [What is Nancy Pelosi afraid of finding, I wonder…?]
2. Though it is clear that this Executive Branch will stonewall every inch of the way, precedent and logic seem to argue for the assumption that claims of Executive Privilege during an impeachment inquiry investigation will fall to the wayside much more quickly than they will/do in the context of normal oversight procedures in Congress. [Thus making impeachment investigations potentially far more “productive” than any we have seen to date this year by way of regular oversight.]
3. Valerie Plame Wilson’s exposure, Libby’s commuted prison sentence, and FRofCrP Rule 6(e). Would you like to learn (and don’t you think the American people deserve to learn) about the evidence collected during the years of Special Counsel Fitzgerald’s grand jury investigation into the (potentially deliberate) betrayal of our CIA WMD spy asset Valerie Plame Wilson and her Brewster-Jennings cover operation? Would you like the HJC and its hired investigators to obtain that evidence as the starting point of open Congressional hearings to follow the leads that Special Counsel Fitzgerald was barred from pursuing during his investigation? Would you simply like to have many of the most involved actors in this instance of gross misconduct in and abuse of high public office be forced to repeat their grand jury testimony, but this time to Congress, live on national TV for all of us to hear? Because if you do, you can if and only if the HJC asks for and is given permission to open an impeachment inquiry into this matter by the whole House, and then proceeds to obtain that now-secret grand jury material from a judge [this is the applicable 6(e) exception to grand jury secrecy rules; that exception does not exist for normal Congressional oversight investigations]. Without such a House impeachment inquiry into that outrageous exposure by this Executive Branch of a vital anti-WMD-proliferation covert asset of our nation, it’s looking increasingly likely that much of the most damning evidence in this matter will either never be unearthed or will be lost to history, sealed behind closed doors, exactly where this president and his henchmen plotted and hoped it would be, and intend it to remain.