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		<title>By: Vero</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/15/its-policy-now/#comment-899553</link>
		<dc:creator>Vero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 10:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Scapegoating has always worked to give more power to the rich and further divide us from our cause(should I write this?) which is to LOVE each other.  The reason illegal immigration continues is not because they are “Willing” to work for less and we are not, instead, it allows for the exploitation of persons who are forced to take those jobs because they have nothing else.  If they crack down by fining businesses who hire undocumented workers, it only results in hurting small businesses, not the large companies. They are  a permanent underclass that is created, on purpose, to be exploited without objection and blamed.  While we might benefit from their cheap labor also, we are actually being jipped, it’s kinda crazy, but true “comprehensive” reform would actually empower us too except now   these large multi national corporations are leaving the US, Halliburton, to name one.  Layoffs are all over the place, the housing market is dropping, the economy could take a shit at any minute, but hate the illegals. Real smart, because they decide the rate of interest and inflation and because they decide the policies our “Representatives” approve.  Soon we will all be leaving to Mexico, cause right now, thats the only place our dollars still have some value. I’ve always wanted to visit Mexico City and I read recently that they found the grave site of this Aztec ruler, Ahuizotl.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scapegoating has always worked to give more power to the rich and further divide us from our cause(should I write this?) which is to LOVE each other.  The reason illegal immigration continues is not because they are “Willing” to work for less and we are not, instead, it allows for the exploitation of persons who are forced to take those jobs because they have nothing else.  If they crack down by fining businesses who hire undocumented workers, it only results in hurting small businesses, not the large companies. They are  a permanent underclass that is created, on purpose, to be exploited without objection and blamed.  While we might benefit from their cheap labor also, we are actually being jipped, it’s kinda crazy, but true “comprehensive” reform would actually empower us too except now   these large multi national corporations are leaving the US, Halliburton, to name one.  Layoffs are all over the place, the housing market is dropping, the economy could take a shit at any minute, but hate the illegals. Real smart, because they decide the rate of interest and inflation and because they decide the policies our “Representatives” approve.  Soon we will all be leaving to Mexico, cause right now, thats the only place our dollars still have some value. I’ve always wanted to visit Mexico City and I read recently that they found the grave site of this Aztec ruler, Ahuizotl.</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/15/its-policy-now/#comment-899504</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 08:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-897591&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;brendan @ 13&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Hugh @4:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Here’s a good article about the blaming of Iran for “shaped charges” and attacks, generally. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/IH16Ak04.html&quot;&gt;http://www.atimes.com/atimes/M.....6Ak04.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Demonstrating that the scum rises to the top in Bush’s army, here is Odierno on Iran’s purported aims:  “I think they want to influence the decision potentially coming up in September.” &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Of course.  Iran is sending a message to the Democratic Congress.  One can only marvel at the transparent cynicism of it all.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Which makes me wonder why, if the Iranians are supplying the SHIITE MILITIAS with these shaped charges….why it is that the vast number of deaths of US forces that appear to be the result of these charges are occurring in the SUNNI TRIANGLE and other Sunni areas where it would be suicidal for a Shiite Bomb Squad to wander into and wait until the convenient US patrol is passing by?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;These attacks are NOT predominantly occurring in Sadr City or in the areas around the Shiite Shrines…they are occuring in places like Baquba and Fallujah and al Anbar and south of Tikrit. These simply are NOT Shiite controlled or influenced zones.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-897591"><em>brendan @ 13</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Hugh @4:</p>
<p>Here’s a good article about the blaming of Iran for “shaped charges” and attacks, generally. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/IH16Ak04.html">http://www.atimes.com/atimes/M&#8230;..6Ak04.html</a></p>
<p>Demonstrating that the scum rises to the top in Bush’s army, here is Odierno on Iran’s purported aims:  “I think they want to influence the decision potentially coming up in September.” </p>
<p>Of course.  Iran is sending a message to the Democratic Congress.  One can only marvel at the transparent cynicism of it all.</p>
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<p>Which makes me wonder why, if the Iranians are supplying the SHIITE MILITIAS with these shaped charges….why it is that the vast number of deaths of US forces that appear to be the result of these charges are occurring in the SUNNI TRIANGLE and other Sunni areas where it would be suicidal for a Shiite Bomb Squad to wander into and wait until the convenient US patrol is passing by?</p>
<p>These attacks are NOT predominantly occurring in Sadr City or in the areas around the Shiite Shrines…they are occuring in places like Baquba and Fallujah and al Anbar and south of Tikrit. These simply are NOT Shiite controlled or influenced zones.</p>
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		<title>By: jc inOR</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/15/its-policy-now/#comment-899031</link>
		<dc:creator>jc inOR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 03:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Donald Douglas @ 201&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;In any case, the Republicans are the party of Lincoln, and that’s the winning legacy for contemporary race relations
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This from the gentle writer who on his own site excoriates liberal jesters at length for their ‘chicken hawk’ gag?  You DO have a sense of humor!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Donald Douglas @ 201</em></p>
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<p>In any case, the Republicans are the party of Lincoln, and that’s the winning legacy for contemporary race relations
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<p>This from the gentle writer who on his own site excoriates liberal jesters at length for their ‘chicken hawk’ gag?  You DO have a sense of humor!</p>
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		<title>By: Donald Douglas</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/15/its-policy-now/#comment-898836</link>
		<dc:creator>Donald Douglas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 02:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-897757&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;randiego @ 155&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;sorry i’m late to this, but…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Notice the framing of Donald “Duck” Douglas… “if you got the cojones…”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;all macho, all the time. Typical fighting keyboardist.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;hey donald - name the place. I’m in san diego. i’ll debate you, and I’ve “got the cojones…” amigo&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;foul-mouthed lib fem bloggers, indeed&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Randiego’s talkin’ tough! Fight with the keyboard, if you’ve got any fight in you!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As for some of the others, at 29 and elsewhere: Redneck bigots are not exclusive to the GOP base. Reagan Democrats just took a long time switching parties, and a few have yet to do so. (Be consistent in your attacks.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In any case, the Republicans are the party of Lincoln, and that’s the winning legacy for contemporary race relations&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;P.J. Evans: I agree on immigration, and I supported the Bush bill, which was not an amnesty.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-897757"><em>randiego @ 155</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>sorry i’m late to this, but…</p>
<p>Notice the framing of Donald “Duck” Douglas… “if you got the cojones…”</p>
<p>all macho, all the time. Typical fighting keyboardist.</p>
<p>hey donald &#8211; name the place. I’m in san diego. i’ll debate you, and I’ve “got the cojones…” amigo</p>
<p>foul-mouthed lib fem bloggers, indeed</p>
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<p>Randiego’s talkin’ tough! Fight with the keyboard, if you’ve got any fight in you!</p>
<p>As for some of the others, at 29 and elsewhere: Redneck bigots are not exclusive to the GOP base. Reagan Democrats just took a long time switching parties, and a few have yet to do so. (Be consistent in your attacks.)</p>
<p>In any case, the Republicans are the party of Lincoln, and that’s the winning legacy for contemporary race relations</p>
<p>P.J. Evans: I agree on immigration, and I supported the Bush bill, which was not an amnesty.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/15/its-policy-now/#comment-898666</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 01:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-897792&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Steve-AR @ 178&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-897773&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;marshen @ 169&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I hope these are’nt made in China?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I hope the Republicans are starting to feel the pain and if she is elected, I hope she will do just that.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What pain? Hillary and Barack are triangulators not dividers.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-897792"><em>Steve-AR @ 178</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-897773"><em>marshen @ 169</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>I hope these are’nt made in China?</p>
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<p>I hope the Republicans are starting to feel the pain and if she is elected, I hope she will do just that.</p>
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<p>What pain? Hillary and Barack are triangulators not dividers.</p>
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		<title>By: Mufs Mom</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/15/its-policy-now/#comment-898660</link>
		<dc:creator>Mufs Mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 01:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;When all else fails, go after the SBP (Scary Brown People)  By this logic, then, the native born citizens who murder indicate that ALL native born citizens are murderers who must be dealt with, eh? To call this stupid and racist is to be way too kind to these opportunistic pieces of crap.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When all else fails, go after the SBP (Scary Brown People)  By this logic, then, the native born citizens who murder indicate that ALL native born citizens are murderers who must be dealt with, eh? To call this stupid and racist is to be way too kind to these opportunistic pieces of crap.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/15/its-policy-now/#comment-898659</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 01:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-897650&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;hackworth @ 58&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Newt’s strategy seems very risky.  Bashing illegals (lizard code for hispanics) will certainly get the lizard brains to the polls, but Newt is bashing (ergo - writing off) millions of legal hispanic voters. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think that Democrats would do well to court the latino vote. That would require some restraint on Labor Union style hyperbole.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Newt might “run for president”, but he isn’t going to be president. His primary job, apparently, is to stir up and divide the southwest electorate — to bring out the racist feelings in people.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Divide and conquer is a familiar tactic to Roverites.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-897650"><em>hackworth @ 58</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Newt’s strategy seems very risky.  Bashing illegals (lizard code for hispanics) will certainly get the lizard brains to the polls, but Newt is bashing (ergo &#8211; writing off) millions of legal hispanic voters. </p>
<p>…</p>
<p>I think that Democrats would do well to court the latino vote. That would require some restraint on Labor Union style hyperbole.</p>
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<p>Newt might “run for president”, but he isn’t going to be president. His primary job, apparently, is to stir up and divide the southwest electorate — to bring out the racist feelings in people.</p>
<p>Divide and conquer is a familiar tactic to Roverites.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/15/its-policy-now/#comment-898571</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 00:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-897667&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;chrisc @ 74&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Anti-imigration rhetoric resonates very strongly in the red areas of southern california. The local hate radio stations have been feeding this for some time now. (They have long ago ignored Iraq.) The progressive community needs to get out in front on this issue and not let folks like Newt do all the framing.&lt;br /&gt;
…
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I suggested that when the Bush immigration bill failed there should be a Dem version which would actually fix the ‘problem’. But, DLCer Rahm Emanuel (D-Ill) said ‘No’, we won’t see any legislation on that for about six years.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;How he got the authority to decide such a thing I don’t know.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Apparently Progressive solutions just don’t cut it with Rahm.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-897667"><em>chrisc @ 74</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Anti-imigration rhetoric resonates very strongly in the red areas of southern california. The local hate radio stations have been feeding this for some time now. (They have long ago ignored Iraq.) The progressive community needs to get out in front on this issue and not let folks like Newt do all the framing.<br />
…
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<p>I suggested that when the Bush immigration bill failed there should be a Dem version which would actually fix the ‘problem’. But, DLCer Rahm Emanuel (D-Ill) said ‘No’, we won’t see any legislation on that for about six years.</p>
<p>How he got the authority to decide such a thing I don’t know.</p>
<p>Apparently Progressive solutions just don’t cut it with Rahm.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/15/its-policy-now/#comment-898549</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 00:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-897621&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;SufiLizard @ 33&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Actually, the more I think about it, I think it’s obvious that the previous thread about the new Republican tactic of calling US hate sites, is just a cover for them catering even more blatantly to hate.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s been their tactic for years now to accuse the left of something that the right is actually doing , or is planning to do.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;…
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Do you think it correlates with the recent transfer of Rove from D.C. out to the ‘heartland’?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-897621"><em>SufiLizard @ 33</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Actually, the more I think about it, I think it’s obvious that the previous thread about the new Republican tactic of calling US hate sites, is just a cover for them catering even more blatantly to hate.</p>
<p>It’s been their tactic for years now to accuse the left of something that the right is actually doing , or is planning to do.</p>
<p>…
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<p>Do you think it correlates with the recent transfer of Rove from D.C. out to the ‘heartland’?</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/15/its-policy-now/#comment-898533</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 00:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-897589&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Biodun @ 11&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Giuliani was for immigrants in the 1990s when he was NYC mayor.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now he’s against them.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Republicans will admire him for ‘coming to his senses’ and having learned to hate just like the rest of them do.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Manipulating, coercing, forcing and other Republican practices are not governing. None of them is fit to govern, much less lead.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-897589"><em>Biodun @ 11</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Giuliani was for immigrants in the 1990s when he was NYC mayor.</p>
<p>Now he’s against them.</p>
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<p>Republicans will admire him for ‘coming to his senses’ and having learned to hate just like the rest of them do.</p>
<p>Manipulating, coercing, forcing and other Republican practices are not governing. None of them is fit to govern, much less lead.</p>
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