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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/15/if-at-first-you-dont-succeed/#comment-899540</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 09:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-898844&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;MarkH @ 216&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-898197&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;jayt @ 95&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;And just why *shouldn’t* Iran have a nuclear weapon? …
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&lt;p&gt;I think maybe the idea is that if they have nuclear power they will have little need to sell their oil to us (or the world).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But, fear of brown people of another religion might be part of it. It’s just that among the business Republicans there isn’t as much fear of the brown folks. So, it’s probably just about money.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Actually if they have nuclear power they would have less need to use it DOMESTICALLY, and could sell more of it…thus taking Iran out of a precarious economic condition. THAT recession is what the Bushies have long hoped would precipitate a popular revolution in Iran.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;THEY WANT TO KEEP IRAN IMPOVERISHED!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-898844"><em>MarkH @ 216</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-898197"><em>jayt @ 95</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>And just why *shouldn’t* Iran have a nuclear weapon? …
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<p>I think maybe the idea is that if they have nuclear power they will have little need to sell their oil to us (or the world).</p>
<p>But, fear of brown people of another religion might be part of it. It’s just that among the business Republicans there isn’t as much fear of the brown folks. So, it’s probably just about money.</p>
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<p>Actually if they have nuclear power they would have less need to use it DOMESTICALLY, and could sell more of it…thus taking Iran out of a precarious economic condition. THAT recession is what the Bushies have long hoped would precipitate a popular revolution in Iran.</p>
<p>THEY WANT TO KEEP IRAN IMPOVERISHED!</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/15/if-at-first-you-dont-succeed/#comment-899538</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 09:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-898278&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Gunga Djinn @ 168&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Brisingamen @ 114&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Building probably has an internal support system — the WTC towers support came from the ’skin’ of the building and heat from the jet fuel fires passed the maximum the steel could handle — major structural failure.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sorry to disagree, but incorrect on both counts. There was massive internal structural elements in WTC 1 &amp; 2, and jet fuel burns relatively cool.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You might be interested in these analyses by MIT Structural Scientists.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2001/skyscrapers.html&quot;&gt;http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/.....apers.html&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;www-math.mit.edu/~bazant/WTC/WTC-asce.pdf&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-898278"><em>Gunga Djinn @ 168</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Brisingamen @ 114</p>
<blockquote><p>Building probably has an internal support system — the WTC towers support came from the ’skin’ of the building and heat from the jet fuel fires passed the maximum the steel could handle — major structural failure.</p>
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<p>Sorry to disagree, but incorrect on both counts. There was massive internal structural elements in WTC 1 &amp; 2, and jet fuel burns relatively cool.</p>
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<p>You might be interested in these analyses by MIT Structural Scientists.</p>
<p><a href="http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2001/skyscrapers.html">http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/&#8230;..apers.html</a> </p>
<p>www-math.mit.edu/~bazant/WTC/WTC-asce.pdf</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/15/if-at-first-you-dont-succeed/#comment-898893</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 02:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-898308&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Christy Hardin Smith @ 197&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Jonathon — Which is why the Goldwater “Conscience of a Conservative” tome is back in my “to read” pile again, along with my battered old copy of Buckley’s “God And Man At Yale.”  Although today’s conservatives are so far from that, I can’t begin to detail…but I will when I get finished with my read throughs, believe me.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I haven’t seen very many speeches of Goldwater, but for some reason I get the feeling Hillary was quite sympatico with his style. As you read the book, I wonder if you could imagine Hillary saying the things he said.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Recently she’s acting as though she has the Dem nomination and has gone on to attacking Bush. That seems forward-thinking and confident, but I wonder if it isn’t just avoidance of the intellectual fight with other Dem candidates. She’s been quite the turtle, refusing to divulge her health care plan and saying very little new stuff. So, what I wonder is if Goldwater was somewhat like that too. Was he the type to studiously work out his ideas, pop out to rant a bit and then retreat into a shell and isolate himself. I can easily imagine Hillary doing that and it also fits with what I saw of her during Clinton I.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Her ideas are obviously not the same as Goldwater’s, but she’s so close to the vest of late that it’s hard to know what her ideas are, or if she even has any.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-898308"><em>Christy Hardin Smith @ 197</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Jonathon — Which is why the Goldwater “Conscience of a Conservative” tome is back in my “to read” pile again, along with my battered old copy of Buckley’s “God And Man At Yale.”  Although today’s conservatives are so far from that, I can’t begin to detail…but I will when I get finished with my read throughs, believe me.</p>
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<p>I haven’t seen very many speeches of Goldwater, but for some reason I get the feeling Hillary was quite sympatico with his style. As you read the book, I wonder if you could imagine Hillary saying the things he said.</p>
<p>Recently she’s acting as though she has the Dem nomination and has gone on to attacking Bush. That seems forward-thinking and confident, but I wonder if it isn’t just avoidance of the intellectual fight with other Dem candidates. She’s been quite the turtle, refusing to divulge her health care plan and saying very little new stuff. So, what I wonder is if Goldwater was somewhat like that too. Was he the type to studiously work out his ideas, pop out to rant a bit and then retreat into a shell and isolate himself. I can easily imagine Hillary doing that and it also fits with what I saw of her during Clinton I.</p>
<p>Her ideas are obviously not the same as Goldwater’s, but she’s so close to the vest of late that it’s hard to know what her ideas are, or if she even has any.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/15/if-at-first-you-dont-succeed/#comment-898876</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 02:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-898293&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Boston1775 @ 183&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Mike Huckabee up with Shuster.  He (Huckabee) seems incredibly likable *ducks*; am I nuts?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Not at all. He was a preacher or somethin’, so he has to be likable. But, that doesn’t make him the right guy to be president in a secular government.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-898293"><em>Boston1775 @ 183</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Mike Huckabee up with Shuster.  He (Huckabee) seems incredibly likable *ducks*; am I nuts?</p>
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<p>Not at all. He was a preacher or somethin’, so he has to be likable. But, that doesn’t make him the right guy to be president in a secular government.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/15/if-at-first-you-dont-succeed/#comment-898844</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 02:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-898197&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;jayt @ 95&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;And just why *shouldn’t* Iran have a nuclear weapon? …
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think maybe the idea is that if they have nuclear power they will have little need to sell their oil to us (or the world).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But, fear of brown people of another religion might be part of it. It’s just that among the business Republicans there isn’t as much fear of the brown folks. So, it’s probably just about money.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-898197"><em>jayt @ 95</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>And just why *shouldn’t* Iran have a nuclear weapon? …
</p>
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<p>I think maybe the idea is that if they have nuclear power they will have little need to sell their oil to us (or the world).</p>
<p>But, fear of brown people of another religion might be part of it. It’s just that among the business Republicans there isn’t as much fear of the brown folks. So, it’s probably just about money.</p>
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		<title>By: shootthatarrow&#62;&#62;&#62;</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/15/if-at-first-you-dont-succeed/#comment-898740</link>
		<dc:creator>shootthatarrow&#62;&#62;&#62;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 01:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Christy…that photo is worth several thousand words in expressing the ongoing duplicity of American ME policies and the blowback those policies have opened to repeatedly.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Showing such photos should/could become a home page feature of FireDogLake in these times and surely moreso with Iran being put in the crosshairs of American ME militarism and crazed ignorance.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;These are indeed precarious times…I am thankful for the work FDL does…day after day.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks Christy. Stay with it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christy…that photo is worth several thousand words in expressing the ongoing duplicity of American ME policies and the blowback those policies have opened to repeatedly.</p>
<p>Showing such photos should/could become a home page feature of FireDogLake in these times and surely moreso with Iran being put in the crosshairs of American ME militarism and crazed ignorance.</p>
<p>These are indeed precarious times…I am thankful for the work FDL does…day after day.</p>
<p>Thanks Christy. Stay with it.</p>
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		<title>By: cando</title>
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		<dc:creator>cando</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 00:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-898157&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Loo Hoo. @ 61&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I can’t stand the thought of what is going to happen to our troops on their way out…&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is my greatest concern too.  Who is investigating this really?  Webb and the other new Senators.  But will they be able to expand the Commission to conduct this investigation?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-898157"><em>Loo Hoo. @ 61</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>I can’t stand the thought of what is going to happen to our troops on their way out…</p>
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<p>This is my greatest concern too.  Who is investigating this really?  Webb and the other new Senators.  But will they be able to expand the Commission to conduct this investigation?</p>
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		<title>By: dmac</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/15/if-at-first-you-dont-succeed/#comment-898429</link>
		<dc:creator>dmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 23:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;quaker girl at 181 says-”Marretta - You are smart to wonder. Reflecting back I realize this is the time we were armingWarlords in Afghanistan. To my sisters I have to ask what it does to your soul. How do you get into bed with the guy? This is truly sleeping with the enemy.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;gimme a break……….plenty out there…..i know a few who sold out for health insurance.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i wonder sometimes what i would sell out for…….i wonder……..hmmmmmm………but haven’t yet………had my chances, and didn’t……….everyone has their selling point, it’s all a part of the bargain………i don’t fault them for it, just feel sorry for them, the payoff is a hard reality.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>quaker girl at 181 says-”Marretta &#8211; You are smart to wonder. Reflecting back I realize this is the time we were armingWarlords in Afghanistan. To my sisters I have to ask what it does to your soul. How do you get into bed with the guy? This is truly sleeping with the enemy.”</p>
<p>gimme a break……….plenty out there…..i know a few who sold out for health insurance.</p>
<p>i wonder sometimes what i would sell out for…….i wonder……..hmmmmmm………but haven’t yet………had my chances, and didn’t……….everyone has their selling point, it’s all a part of the bargain………i don’t fault them for it, just feel sorry for them, the payoff is a hard reality.</p>
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		<title>By: bobschacht</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/08/15/if-at-first-you-dont-succeed/#comment-898427</link>
		<dc:creator>bobschacht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 23:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-898272&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;GSD @ 162&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;George The Brilliant Bush offers his beliefs on how his presidency will be viewed:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;“Don’t worry. History will get it right and we’ll both be dead.”&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;-GSD&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Of course, by “history” he means Karl Rove’s next book.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bob in HI&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-898272"><em>GSD @ 162</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>George The Brilliant Bush offers his beliefs on how his presidency will be viewed:</p>
<p><em>“Don’t worry. History will get it right and we’ll both be dead.”</em></p>
<p>-GSD</p>
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<p>Of course, by “history” he means Karl Rove’s next book.</p>
<p>Bob in HI</p>
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		<title>By: dmac</title>
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		<dc:creator>dmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 23:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;bob in hi at 179, you got it right……….but they ‘ain’t’ gonna win………&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bob in hi at 179, you got it right……….but they ‘ain’t’ gonna win………</p>
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