In Chicago, we don’t have many stars. Al Capone was a star criminal. Almost single handedly, with a baseball bat and machine gun, he created the nation’s first permanent criminal enterprise which almost eighty years later runs smoothly. Mayor Richard J. Daley (the older guy) was a star politician, creating, maintaining and even strengthening the nation’s smoothest running political machine, so powerful that it could hand John F. Kennedy the Presidency by holding back the vote in Chicago precincts till he knew exactly how many ballots would have to be created out of thin air to win. Michael Jordan was a star athlete, the Baryshnikov of basketball, bringing millions of Chicago victory-starved sports fans trophy and trophy after trophy.
But when Assistant United States Attorney Brian K. Frazier called Jose Padilla, Chicago’s not-very-bright--wanna- be, a star recruit for Al Qaeda, he gave hyperbole a whole new meaning. Then the prosecution dug back in their paltry bag of cookies to the original indictment to proffer three chilling acts, telling jurors that Mr. Padilla attended a training camp in Afghanistan “to learn how to kill, kidnap and maim according to Al Qaeda’s techniques.”
In case the jury had forgotten 9/11, the prosecutor produced this outrageous bit of bigot-theater:
On Monday, the prosecution set up a a slide projector showing black and white pictures of the three defendants wearing kaffiyeh, an Arab headdress, as 12 jurors heard the closing arguments.
''What al Qaeda did writ large, these defendants did on a smaller scale,'' Frazier said.
Get it?
Al Qaeda big! Twin towers collapsing. Defendants: small: zucchini Busch Gardens. All wearing kaffiyeh.
There was not one shred of testimony, not one witness who testified to Al Qaeda drill sergeants teaching Padilla anything.
Worse, was the crime of being evasive.
Mr. Frazier recalled how the F.B.I. agent who arrested Mr. Padilla at O’Hare International Airport had testified that Mr. Padilla had been evasive. Mr. Padilla acknowledged living in Egypt, the agent said, yet claimed not to remember simple details of his time there, including his wife’s phone number.
“Why wouldn’t he give simple information at O’Hare?” Mr. Frazier asked. “Why would an official Al Qaeda document be recovered from Afghanistan with his prints on it? These are not coincidences.”
No, they are not coincidences. They are the normal kinds of responses almost any kind of American citizen would give when abruptly arrested and taken into custody without being allowed – as is his constitutional rights – the Miranda warning.
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to an attorney. If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be provided for you at interrogation time and at court.
I didn’t read about the Supreme Court ruling that Miranda applies to everyone except for Padilla.
Did prejudice enter into the indictment? Yes, said William Swor, attorney for Kifah Wael Jayousi.
"Why use the word Islam?" Swor asked jurors during closing arguments in Miami federal court Tuesday morning. "Because it's frightening. We have a recent history. We have fears and we have a cultural prejudice going back almost 1,000 years."
There’s one story that summed it up for me by Warren Richey of the Christian Science Monitor.
As Richey tells it, it becomes a tale that makes implicates all those who participated – from the lowest ranking military person to the highest ranking officials of the Justice Department and the White House, with the President himself knowing what was occurring under his watch. Read this..and weep.
For a month, agents of the Federal Bureau of Investigation had been questioning Padilla in New York City under the rules of the criminal justice system. [Note: without an attorney.] They wanted to know about his alleged involvement in a plot to detonate a radiological "dirty bomb" in the US. Padilla had nothing to say. Now, military interrogators were about to turn up the heat.
Padilla was delivered to the US Naval Consolidated Brig in Charleston, S.C., where he was held not only in solitary confinement but as the sole detainee in a high security wing of the prison. Fifteen other cells sat empty around him.
The purpose of the extraordinary privacy, according to experts familiar with the technique, was to eliminate the possibility of human contact. No voices in the hallway. No conversations with other prisoners. No tapping out messages on the walls. No ability to maintain a sense of human connection, a sense of place or time.
In essence, experts say, the US government was trying to break Padilla's silence by plunging him into a mental twilight zone. Padilla was not the only Al Qaeda suspect locked away in isolation. Although harsh interrogation methods such as water boarding, forced hypothermia, sleep deprivation, and stress positions draw more media attention, use of isolation to "soften up" detainees for questioning is much more common.
"It is clear that the intent of this isolation was to break Padilla for the purpose of the interrogations that were to follow," says Stuart Grassian, a Boston psychiatrist and nationally recognized expert on the debilitating effects of solitary confinement. Dr. Grassian conducted a detailed examination of Padilla for his lawyers.
We are no longer in a situation where we are waiting for the barbarians. The barbarians have arrived and they are us.
I don’t give a damn what the jury says about these three hapless wannabes. I want to know what we’re – you and me -- going to do to protest this terrible injustice perpetrated by the nation’s most powerful leaders Rather than a “star recruit” for Al Quada, our “leaders” have made Jose Padilla a star victim of civil rights and Bill of Rights abuses.
Regardless of the verdict, which should come the middle of next week, the name Padilla will now go down around the world, next to those of Sacco and Vansetti and Koramatsu and Gideon and Miranda as people who put our United States Constitution to the test.
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Hey all!
Uh Lew? I think the star athlete in Chicago was Michael Jordan, not Michael Jackson.
er, I think you meant Michael Jordan as the ballet basketball player, not Michael Jackson.
Oh God, please someone fix that!11
(Unless of course, you’ve never seen Michael Jackson at Neverland.)
Torture never goes away. It sort of sticks to you.
Howd @ 7
er, I think you meant Michael Jordan as the ballet basketball player, not Michael Jackson.
I don’t even wanna think about Michael Jackson’s best sport.
Hi lew!
BTW Lew, I saw a story in yesterday’s NY Times on the prosecutor’s closing and the byline reporter (Abby Goodnough) pretty much called BullSh*t on the prosecutor.
A manly man can get away with conflating Michael Jackson with Michael Jordan (they both tripped the light fantastic) *g*
jayt at 11
Good to see you. Yeah, puhleeze! One for the ages!
And Sacco and Vanzetti… Lew!!! Excellent post, Lew!!!
Hi Lew! Congratulations on your superb coverage of the most media-invisible Constitutional crises ever. As Amy Goodman asks, “If we had state-controlled media, how would it look any different?”
That the MSM is ignoring this case is a disgrace.
dakine01 at 12
That is what is so insane about these claims. Frazier will be leaving government soon, one way or another and I’d like to track him down and ask him several questions. The answer I’d probably get was “I was just following orders.”
Hey Lew,
Another fine post!
One additional little correction - the linky to the “In case the jury had forgotten 9/11, the prosecutor produced this outrageous bit of bigot-theater:” has a double http in it (i.e. http://http//) which means you can’t get to the site without doing some hands-on editing of the URL.
That said, I kinda like the idea of Michael Jackson playing b-ball with the big boys.
RonD @ 16
Fortunately, the Lake is blessed with his presence!!! *g*
CTuttle at 15
Thanks…I was going to go back to Haymarket (ah, those were the days) but I thought that would have been a bit much.
Just a quick note on another item.
Republican Congresswoman Deb Pryce who represents voters in the Columbus, Ohio area has announced she is not seeking another term.
Her last opponent Democrat Mary Jo Kilroy narrowly lost ( well in Ohio who can tell ) her bid to unseat Pryce.
This is another victory for the Netroots in my opinion. Good work.
Lew Koch @ 20
Keep ya sharp, hombre!!! ;-)
Mad Dogs at 18
Sorry about that one as well. I was pushing the edge on time today. My fault completely.
EPU’d per LooHoo’s request:
wesgpc says
August 15th, 2007 at 6:13 pm
Regarding Iran, some good things I see are
–word is already out that forces from Saudi Arabia is just as responsible for insurgent violence as Iran, so we need to ask both Congress and public whether this designation is bogus or not. Why not declare the elements in Saudi Arabia funding the insurgency as terrorist? Or is the administration so incompetent at its GWOT that it doesn’t know who they are?
–Karzai said Iran was a constructive force. Maliki meeting with Iran, So need to make a huge fuss about why Cheney is not listening to our allies. (Well, we know that already, because Cheney considers them to be tools, like a shovel or hoe, but need to make fuss over it anyway)
–Can press congress to have a new vote to make sure Prez must come to Congress before any attack (Congress can do that, right? If they pass a resolution that says that ambiguous wording in authroization does NOT permit any action without authorization, then Cheney can’t use badly worded authorization as an excuse, right?)
–It is becoming clear that the September report will be bogus. WH, it turns out, will write it, with ‘input’ from Petraeul and Crocker
it. http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c....._again.php
Patreaus in an interview (can’t find link now) emphasized that the the whole civilian leadership, including Congress, needs to look at the report carefully -it will be AN IMPORTANT NATIONAL DECISION. I figure that means either he senses he will be on the chopping block if the September fib fest doesn’t go well, or he has lost battle over Iran attack, knows where this is headed, and is getting scared of the batshit insane VP. Wonder if Patraeus will be cooperative with administration any longer.
Anything wrong with those ideas?
Certainly need to do something, make a big fuss.
CTuttle @ 19
And we are blessed with the ‘Lake.
RonD @ 25
Sooo True!!!
I know this is OT but
“The U.S. Geological Survey said the 7.5 magnitude earthquake hit about 90 miles southeast of Lima at a depth of about 25 miles.” tsunami warnings,
I think I’d have ruined both my voice and my knees jumping up screaming objections at this farce of a trial.
Mr. Frazier said the government had proved beyond a reasonable doubt that Mr. Padilla had spent time in Afghanistan. In fact, it never produced a witness who saw him there.
And “following orders” is not an excuse for the willful misrepresentation of evidence.
Anyone willing to guess on the jury outcome?
So, if you are Muslim and have ever spent time in Afghanistan, you can be convicted of being a terrorist..
Lew, Our elected leaders in Congress caved on the FISA law because of fear of 9/11. Fear is a great motivator, I hope that I’m wrong. You have done excellent work covering this trial and enlightening us all and I thank you even though your not a foul mouthed fem.
Lew Koch @ 29
I trust the jury.
City of Milwaukee votes for acquittal by unamimous consent. We loves us the Lake too.
Elliott @ 27
True, A Cat 2 hurricane and a 5.3 tremblor isn’t enough excitement for the Big Isle, Peru has to pile on…
http://www.prh.noaa.gov/ptwc/m.....002055.txt
Lew Koch @ 29
You know, I was really afraid that the jury in the Libby case would fall for the koolaid, but they didn’t. So, I think there is hope. It just depends.
CTuttle @ 34
Holy Crow! You take care!
IANAL-is there any way jury nullification could play into this? Rule on the law as well as the charges?
Jonathan @ 32
I say “guilty as charged” - we do, after all, have to protect the children.
LS @ 35
Aah, too early to assume, LS…!!!
Lew Koch @ 29
Anyone willing to guess on the jury outcome?
Not without having demographic info and the ability to eyeball the jury.
That being said, it’s going to take some strong people to bring back a Not Guilty.
My guess: Hung Jury - Mistrial.
It’s sad to know that there are some out there who will interpret the canes’ and quakes’ as God Almighty’s crying for Roves resignation.
RonD @ 16
But as Dakine says, at least the NYT is covering it. Somewhat. I can’t wait to hear the decision.
JPL at31
The fact is I am a both//foul mouthed and a feminist. I have so radically censored what is normally a conversation that is constantly strew with foul language…which is why someone who knows me thought that I was The Rude Pundit. As for being a feminist, I was a househusband and shared all the work and child rearing. The syndicated columns, articles and books We wrote had Joanne’s name first.
He should probably never have been arrested in the first place, so they’ll find him guilty. In record time.
If I remember correctly, the supposed electoral shenanigans of R. Daley were investigated for years by Repulican lawyers (including DoJ lawyers) and nothing was ever found.
And I had knew a guy in CA whose grandfather had a body shop in Chicago and used to repair the bullet holes in Al Capone’s cars. Al would hand out $100 tips. Probably like getting tipped $5000 or more today.
jayt @ 40
Not without having demographic info and the ability to eyeball the jury.
That being said, it’s going to take some strong people to bring back a Not Guilty.
My guess: Hung Jury - Mistrial.
Oof, words from a practiced litigator… Hmmm…???
Elliott @ 27
Wow. When I checked earlier, they said no tsunami threat. Yikes.
GordonM at 45
You’re correct. The Republicans could never find anything on Daley’s ballot stuffing. That’s how good those guys are.
Lew Koch @ 43
Cool, Thanks for the great posts. My opinion is that the 9/11 photos will sway the verdict, although there could be a sane hold out. What do you think?
This is OT (but about Chicago) BP (Beyond Petroleum) !? is planning to dump sewage into Lake Michigan.
We Illinoisians have been told there’s nothing we can do about it, but maybe measures can be taken to lessen the sewage’s impact.
I usually buy BP or Citgo gas……
Lew Koch @ 43
Dang, Lew, I emote with ya on all counts…!!! *g*
CTuttle @ 39
So true.
JPL at 49
In my mind I have “created” every verdict possible, except for jury nullification.
CTuttle @ 46
I just can’t imagine 12 people agreeing to guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Unfortunately, neither can I imagine that some jury members’ belief that it is their patriotic duty to help fight terrorism, that it is their *duty* to convict, won’t surface simultaneously in the jury room.
So I’m guessing they hang, and Padilla goes back to jail. The case *will* be retried, should that happen.
Some of the best writing and posting I have ever seen in my entire life is happening here.
Lew Koch @ 53
Really, even if one has drunk deeply from the Koolaid pitcher???
I can’t even see how his initial arrest was even remotely legal. How could this be allowed to even come to trial? I shudder to think that a jury could become so brainwashed as to believe the government’s scant evidence. It says a lot about us.
Lew Koch @ 48
Now c’mon Lew, you have to know the story that Nixon declined to protest the Chicago vote in ‘60 because it would have also brought out all the downstate shenanigans as well.
jayt @ 54
Heh, see my 56!!!
Mary H. @ 50
BP=British Petroleum
Lew:
I’m an old-timer too. Your coverage has been a real treat.
Unfortunately, as an ex-public defender, I suspect the jury will find all defendants guilty.
Then we’ll see whether the appellate courts will throw this out. There just isn’t enough evidence.
I did have one case where the judge essentially ordered the jury to convict. They did - on no evidence.
Three years later, the NY appellate court threw the case out for insufficent evidence, dismissed the indictment, and ordered my client released immediately. But that was New York - and a long time ago.
Thanks for all your hard work - much appreciated.
Lew, an analyst I heard yesterday said that the cases against Padilla’s co-defendants were much stronger than against Padilla himself, and that Padilla might actually be tarred guilty by association more than evidence. Do you think this is a valid concern?
They’ve started calling themselves ‘Beyond Petroleum’ - that’s a kicker!
I hope that the jury has the good sense to look at what the government has done in this case.
Dirty bomb? Where?
Afghanistan, maybe, but where’s the terrorist link.
Mostly, though. The treatment of Padilla and the others. That’s not what our system looks like.
I think sane people have seen enough to know that this executive branch and this judicial branch is corrupt. I’ll bet on a not guilty, and hope to hell I’m right.
mjames @ 61
Puhlease, join the conversation more often!!! The Lake thrives on intelligent discourse…!!! *g*
Lew Koch @ 23
You have so little to apologize for that we all must take our pride where we can find it in the minutia that only nit-pickers knit!
dakine01 at 58
Yes, that was the line “For ever grave that voted in Chicago, a cow voted downstate.”
But here is a story seen with my own eyes and I will leave out the identifying names. I was in the room with Richard J and two others, one of whom was a high elected officials. The “election” was for one of those “do good” measures. The three of us waited until 2:00 am, when most of the other votes were in, and then Daley, by phone, released the number of “yes” ballots necessary to push the measure way over the top.
Cows may vote but they don’t have Daley holding them back to see how many are needed.
Loo Hoo. @ 64
I’ll drink to that. I also hope to hell you’re right.
Mary H. @ 63
Gettin’ into the coal liquification business, are they? /snark
mjames at 61
There is “evidence” or indications that if Padilla is found guilty, the Supreme Court has indicated that it wants the case placed before them immediately.
We are certainly a country of laws. We are definitely not a nation of justice. It is not the law that is failing justice, it is men and women failing the law. And it is humans who are failing Padilla. And ultimately, us. Either way, (verdict) Padilla is toast. Of course this sap has been propaganda fodder for a long time. And many of us have eaten this fodder.
LS @ 30
Perhaps it is more correct to say:
Or perhaps even this:
Excellent post Lew.
Unless they stacked the jury there may be hope. In selecting a jury do we knew what was the criteria for dismissal? I think that will make the difference.
Lew Koch @ 67
Hold it one moment! I could’ve swore that cows could only contribute to our greenhouse gas emissions!!! WTF??? ;-)
CTuttle at 74
You are soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo bad!
Lew Koch @ 67
Many years ago I lived in Springfield. It was always so interesting when the Statehouse was in session.
Hi mjames! Welcome, sir or madame.
Lew, with permission I’d like to bring up two of selise’s brilliant comments from the last thread.
Lew Koch @ 67
In Ohio, they had Blackwell, cow rangler extraordinaire.
Michael Jackson was from Gary Indiana, which is within 3-point-shot distance of Chicago for someone like Michael Jordan.
Tito Jackson, on the other hand, would have been harder to explain.
RonD @ 62
Lew, an analyst I heard yesterday said that the cases against Padilla’s co-defendants were much stronger than against Padilla himself, and that Padilla might actually be tarred guilty by association more than evidence. Do you think this is a valid concern?
I’d look at it more as a prosecution strategy than a “valid concern”.
Lew Koch @ 70
Normally, that could be construed as a good thing, however, with the current crop, it’s a dicey proposition!!!
Actually, when factoring anything about anything be it politics or say… even gardening, here in Wisconsin we are always dealing with the Favre Curve.
If Brett has a good day then the guy is acquitted. If Brett tosses a few interceptions well he goes to the slam.
It’s tough, but we like Packer justice here in Dairyland.
Since, I believe this case is in Miami the Favre Curve will not likely have an impact.
LS @ 47
You can call me a left wing wacko whatever… I do not mind:
There are tectonic forces that must balance as a result of global warming and ice melting. Billions of tons of water ice is moving annually from the poles to a liquid form that bulges around the equator. It is now subject to tidal effects from the moon and planetary alignments. The historical record shows land mass sinks as the sea level rises. It’s like a scale, it will seek balance of mass & location. In order to achieve a newly balanced system there are going to be a lot of major earthquakes and Tsunamis that accompany land subsidence.
Welcome to the 21st Century.
JPL at 76
Were you in Springfield when they found one million dollars in cash in shoe boxes in the apartment of the just deceased Secretary of State Paul Powell.
That was the cash the state police REPORTED they found after several hours in the apartment.
as the lawyers here know - you can indict a ham sandwich and get a conviction…..particularly in bushco land
Mad Dogs @ 72
Rene Descartes: I think, therefor I must turn myself in.
Lew Koch @ 75
I try…!!! ;-)
The Padilla case has this eerie sense of something like Guantanamo. The Bush administration makes a mistake. Hauls in innocent people, tortures them a bit, or let’s say, more than a bit, and then discovers they have nothing to do with Al Qaeda, and let’s not get into whether torturing was right or wrong (it’s wrong) in the first place.
Now they’re stuck. The Nazi’s would just have dumped them in the ocean, but we’re not there yet as far we we know, and to be honest, we don’t know. But giving the benefit of the doubt they are stuck. So in poor Padilla’s case they are forced by the Supremes to indict and convict.
I would have thought the absence of Miranda was prima facie to throw the case out, but what do I know?
Lew -
What about the jury? What was cause for disqualification?
GordonM @ 86
LOL!
Lew Koch at 70
I hope so - but I wouldn’t put it past these guys to dismiss the case (after a guilty verdict) when it looks like the S.C. is ready to review - and then hold him forever as an enemy combatant. The goal being to peel off Kennedy who will say that the matter is moot or that there is no case or controversy. (?)
CTuttle at 65
Thanks for the welcome!
OT - CNN reporting Rescuers say noises heard in mine, drilling increases
Knut Wicksell at 88
I am just finishing reading a terrifying novel/mystery story about Guantanamo and torture. I recommend it without reservation: The Prisoner of Guantanamo by Dan Fesperman.
Hysteria on trial, hysteria a ’spyin… here’s another horror story. Remember domestic spying? Well, here’s what they plan to do…
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITI.....index.html
deploy eyes in the sky over border regions (I would guess that means Mexican-American border, not Canadian-American border). …not even a pretense about the War on Error here. Just plain spyin’
rwcole, if you’re here, perhaps we should schedule a cook-out in this city, this coming October, which is when McConnell has just announced that he’s going to start spying on our back yard (literally)
QuakerGirl at 89
My “guess” is that jurors were accepted or rejected by prosecution and defense without the slightest serious scientific evidence. Where is John Grisham when you really need him?
mjames @ 91
I swear O’Connor is envious of Kennedy’s sway within Scotus!!!
Some more Justice Department fuckery:
Department officials,” Principal Deputy Assistant Attorney General Brian Benczkowski wrote to Feinstein in a letter last week.
But if her question was answered, Sen. Feinstein must have missed it. The Justice Department’s reply is “wholly unsatisfactory,” Feinstein says.
The letter was a follow-up to Feinstein’s questions to Gonzales during a hearing last month. When Feinstein asked then whether Gonzales had fired more than the nine U.S. attorneys that are publicly known, Gonzales said, maybe:
Thanks again for this, Lew. You are a shining beacon.
If Romney or Rudy or Freddy or whatever Republican is elected as prez, then the GOP will take that as a blessing of everything the Bush administration has done. And perhaps they will be right.
Lew Koch @ 84
A little later, 79 to 81. I had a friend in Social Services and she tried to convince me to go court and listen to the abuse cases. The court system was a tad backwards at that time in protecting children. Although I couldn’t help her because of two boys under three, she used to visit to look at normal bruises compared to afflicted types. I’m from MA but had lived in CT and LA before hand and I have to say the Statehouse in IL was the most vocal.
Loo Hoo at 97
Can you send on — either here to to my Gmail — the links to that story.
Knut Wicksell @ 88
you’re assuming this is a mistake, and not just the admin not caring who they haul in, as long as they have somebody they can torture just to show Congress that they have unitary executive power. This may not have been about catching ter’rists at all.. just more of their power and fear agenda. If they had wanted to catch ter’rists, they would be serving up OBL or one of his other top lieutenants we haven’t even come close to catching by now. Catching ter’rists is hard work, its expensive and it takes too long. Grabbing wierdos off the street and pretending that they’re ter’rists is so much easier.
Loo Hoo. @ 97
Some food chain they have there @ DOJ.
BP’s outfall is located approximately 7 miles from the City of Chicago’s southern-most drinking water intake crib. It is located less than 2 miles from the City of Hammond’s water intake crib.
There is existing technology available for BP to properly treat their sludge and ammonia. The argument for why they cant do this is a “lack of space”. Take a look at their property in Whiting, Indiana on GoogleEarth to see how much land they really have.
Phoenix Woman at 98
Oh my…thank you so very, very much. You people rock, except for being — what — foul mouthed, lefty fems (my kind of town!)
In Indiana, jury nullification is a constitutional right:
Art.1, Sec. 19:
In all criminal cases whatever, the jury shall have the right to determine the law and the facts.
Makes for a great jury instruction, and for an inevitable fight with the judge when he/she tries to tell the jury that they really *don’t* have that right - that they are bound (in some way) to follow the law as presented.
And Mr. Gonzales will never spend one hour in jail. What are the little people like me to think of the “law”.
GordonM @ 92
I just love how the mine operators, government, and the media continue to parrot “seismic bump” for an overloaded mine ceiling that blew out it’s walls and settled.
It’s gonna settle for years, and they are not earthquakes… It’s a mine settling. Retreat mining.
Lew
Thanks for all the great coverage. It has been awful to read about this and can hardly believe it’s my country. Hope it all works out. Thanks again.
Blub @ 94
The poll question associated with the story is running at 57% approving of using sats. for domestic spying. And that’s the trouble - most Americans are giving away their rights without even understanding what they are, let alone their importance. The norm is now guilty until proved innocent.
Lew Koch @ 105
I’m so proud of the recognition and I proud that Lew you feel at home among us.
Hey all, cows again? OK, here it is again, this time featuring video:
Cows with Guns
Another rocking fembloggin’ post, Lew. You know, I thought you were being snarky when quoting the prosecutor who said they’d proved that Padilla was in Afghanistan, like, OK, that’s it? That’s enough to warrant torture and endless quarantine? Yeah, he was in Afghanistan, man! But that was an actual quote supported by no evidence! Who needs snark?
Cheney would tell us that Miranda is a legal protection that enemy combatants “don’t deserve”. Like, it’s a privilege! Sigh.
Fight on, firepups.
Lew Koch @ 101
What I have at 97 is the TPM link, Lew. I’ll just bet there will be more info here or from Marcy at The Next Hurrah.
Mary H. @ 50
It’s not sewage, Mary, it’s ammonia & suspended petro solids (sludge). But your wasting your breath here. I tried already.
Blub @ 102
I’ve been re-reading Hannah Arendt. That’s how she says Stalin worked his magic. I don’t think so in this case, though.
There is a riveting post over at Kos right now on the Haraimon vs Bush trial. The USA’s have put up the Catch-22 defence. The judge says she thinks she is Alice in Wonderland. It was live-blogged, and the post gives the juicy bits.
Sorry for lack of link. I’m an IT doofus.
Twain at 109
It’s been a great roller coaster ride, great ups and wild downs but it wasn’t done alone. I had help. Some of it acknowledged here, some by the folks here who just did it as a matter of course. Which shows you the kind of people here.
newtonusr @ 103
Spaghetti, huh?!
Lew Koch @ 70
Problem is that I’m not sure if that is a good thing or a bad thing.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 107
Just remember to say
I don't recalloften.DannyM #104
Thanks for the information!
Blub @ 94
This part is kinda interesting:
Hmmm…it’s against the law this year, but next year it’s not? Must be a real long incantation that Junya and Fredo are mumbling.
Gunga Djinn # 114
Thanks for the info. too!
N=1 @ 110
Yep. And why should we want rights if them uppity furrin-speakin’ brown people can be kept out of our country? I mean, where are our priorities? We’d all gladly have our government use multi-zillion-dollar military satellites so accurate that they can literally read lips right over our homes, so that they can better protect us from brown people who might, oh, I don’t know, presume to work and pay taxes at a job that none of us want to do….
Lew Koch @ 105
My insistent pleas for pleasanter verbiage has consistently fallen on deaf ears, I’ve even been mocked for my insistence! *clutching my Pearls* 8-)
Helpless Dancer @ 118
Hmmm…in light of Gonzo’s newly found “little noticed” PA powers…that scares me. They pushed McVeigh to his end a lot faster than other people still on death row. I am alarmed. However, should something like that kind of sentence go down; Padilla will instantly be the poster child within this country, amongst other Muslims…so, weighing that…I dunno.
Helpless Dancer @ 118
Oh, that’s a *very* good thing.
Hey lew, care to disclose where that golden nugget came from?
CTuttle @ 124
Your pearls look absurd with your jeans. :)
Mad Dogs @ 121
Guess they’re expecting something to happen between now and next year then? Umm.. that isn’t good is it?
do-si-do @ 112
It seems he could just be some misguided American who wanted a head full of that Afgani opiate ribboned hash that is becomming so available these days. Islam got him off evil alcohol?
cancer_cures @ 119
When Bush said he didn’t recall when he heard about Tillman’s friendly fire incident, I was ill. They can try citizens with flimsy evidence using 9/11 as a back drop and just lie about every thing else. By the way what ever happened with the Anthrax investigation.
Twain @ 127
*Busted* Damn, I don’t even own any Pearls!!! Buggers round here cut no kinda slack, eh???
On the Supreme Court “guess” check:
http://64.233.167.104/search?q.....cation.pdf Supreme Court of the United States + no. 05-533&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us
As far as the “fembloggin’” thing goes, I finally got to check out the linky from the press release. Man, did they get hammered in the comments! Warmed the cockles of my heart, it did.
CTuttle @ 131
Are you on high ground over there?
Here Mary (and others)
Online Petition to Stop BP’s Expansion of Toxic Dumping in Lake Michigan:
https://www.environmentillinois.org/action/protect-lake-michigan/bp-epapetition?id4=ES
If Jose Padilla gets acquited, is the government really going to let him free? Will he be able to tell his story in full detail, even if it involves torture?
When the Israelis released Mordecai Vanunu after he completed his full prison sentence, they imposed a house arrest and gag order on him. I can see this administration imposing extra-legal restrictions the same.
Mad Dogs @ 121
What precisely does law enforcement purposes mean?..
“Um.. Agent Z, I spy a blue Honda with an Edwards bumper sticker heading to the polling station. Quick, deploy voter suppression team 17″ :)
If Jose Padilla gets acquitted will he even be mentally healthy enough to ever pick up a semblance of a normal life again?
Lew Koch @ 132
Whoa! The Transfer is pending…!!! WTF???
Marion in Savannah @ 138
I think the ICRC runs recovery centers for victims of torture in places like Canada and Sweden… assuming they don’t disappear him again
LS @ 134
Relatively so, depends on how high a Wave(s)!!!
dannyM at 136
If what is being rumored, Padilla has been driven crazy. (Please see all of Warren Richey’s work at the Christian Science Monitor.)
What I want to see are those 87 videotapes of Padilla being interrogated. Richey believes it will show Padilla in that classic blindfolded, ear muffled position for extreme lengths of time.
One way or another, I’m going to see those tapes. Someone’s going to have to leak them. There are just too many copies around. Maybe I’ll call Sy Hersh.
Twain @ 127
I was thinking pajamas. And I hope he has matching earrings, fer gawd’s sake.
CTuttle @ 141
CNN is saying that tsunami warnings and watches have been canceled.
Loo Hoo. @ 143
Ahs tellya, No Slack!!! *g*
twolf1 @ 144
Kewl!!! ;-)
Marion in Savannah at 80
No Mary. From the psychology and psychiatry I’m familiar with, the stress he’s undergone I would believe will have damaged and incapacitated him forever.
Er, Marion
whats the difference between us and other dictatorships… we torture and imprison with the worst of them and we call ourselves a civilized country - sheesh its to laugh already
CTuttle @ 145
We insist that our commentors be properly attired.
Twain @ 149
I am wearing Levi’s right now…!!! ;-)
CTuttle @ 141
Your advisory has been apparently been cancelled, but you should remain aware…per CNN. At this point it sounds unlikely. Confusing…stay tuned as a precaution.
There has to be a very special place in Hell for Cheney, Gonzales et al. Justice in this country has become nothing but a travesty. After such massive violations of his rights, it should have been impossible to try an US citizen. They went ahead and did it anyways.
My prediction.
Hung jury, after which He’ll be reexamined and found incompetent. At which point he will be placed in a remote facility until such time he able to stand trial again(never).
Lew Koch @ 147
I’m not sure that the United States will ever recover from the Bush Administration.
Gunga Djinn #135
Done! Dick Durbin sent me an email about it too!
Lew Koch @ 142
Geese, this is heavy stuff. I’m looking forward to your posts on the leaks. Yes, they will come.
juslin @ 148
ah, but there’s a key difference. WE torture and imprison and kill in the name of freedom and Jesus. THEY torture and imprison and kill in the name of that other guy, Voldemort, or whatever his name is…
Helpless Dancer at 152
The perfect nightmare.
juslin @ 148
We were a civilized country in 2000, and we will be again in 2009. This lapse of anything next door to our Constitution will go down as the bleakest period in American history. Hold on!
LS @ 151
That, I shall…!!! Enough has occurred within the neighborhood to fulfill the year’s quota!!! ;-)
Lew Koch @ 157
Kafka would be proud.
blub@156
oh yeahhhhhh - how silly of me to forget that!!
Loo Hoo. @ 158
ah, but the there’s a key difference. WE torture and imprison and kill in the name of freedom and Jesus. THEY torture and imprison and kill in the name of that other guy.
Phew - thanks! I was beginning to feel guilty there for a minute…
Mary H. @ 154
Thank you Mary! That makes one thing I’ve accomplished today.
:)
They can never - and will never - let this guy go. He has too much information. I just can’t see it. That cowardly excuse for a judge in Florida - not even requiring separate trials - she has her marching orders.
And, if by some miracle, the jury does right by Padilla, somehow, someway, he will remain in custody. I can’t see him ever getting out.
So horrific I can hardly breathe.
CTuttle @ 150
409’s?
Loo Hoo. @ 158
this is why we need to get our Dem presidential candidates to swear to pledges that they will undo everything shrub has done. I like the idea of a 90 day period to unwind MCA, Patriot Act, Real ID Act, Immigratioin Responsibility Act, and all that other Goebbels stuff they made us vote for. If any candidate refuses to reverse shrub’s constitutional suspension, then they should be suspected by us of wishing to use shrub’s power grab to their own advantage. We have to make sure this really does end in 2009, and that we really do get our country back.
Does anyone ever think that Bush and Cheney et al are doing this because they enjoy it? I have read that serial killers often kill because they like to feel the power of life and death over others.
mjames @ 165
They can never let go of anyone they tortured. They are in possession of classified information - how they were tortured.
Loo Hoo. @ 166
With a crease?
All I can say is after 9/11 I was relieved that I could fly a flag again and not have people think I was a Repug. Then we went into Iraq. Now I even put my flag stamps on upside down.
Given how our “majority” has been behaving in Congress I have real fears that we’ll be able to hold any semblance of our republic together until 2009 when, God willing, a Democrat moves into 1600. Remember, Dr. Franklin said we had a republic, IF WE COULD KEEP IT.
Twain @ 168
Maybe Cheney but I don’t think that Bush feels. It would take to much time away from his exercise.
Loo Hoo. @ 166
501’s!!! *g*
Gunga Djinn #164 Sometimes days are like that. I usually blame the planets. Poor planets!
mjames at 165
I know I’ve been hard on Judge Cooke, not unfairly so, I think but I have received a comment from someone who I respect who feels that way. If there should be a mistrial because of a hung jury, it will a “Profiles in Courage” moment for Judge Cooke and then we’ll see.
I think it’s time to jump out of this heated pond. This lily pad is flimsy and disintegrating. If I stay any longer waiting for conditions to change, my goose will be cooked.
Why do I feel things are not going to get better? The psychos are running the funny farm.
mjames @ 165
Hah.. maybe that’s the plan. They have to let him go, he tells the story of what they did to him, on the View, and they immediately re-arrest him for leaking classified information. Now that’s an interesting take on habeas corpus, if you think about. It’s suspend, and the suspension is a secret. Heck, your person is a secret too.
Loo Hoo. @ 166
501’s or redtag
somethingsrotten @ 10
Absolutely ! For over thirty years in my husband’s case. He never got a full night’s sleep. His nightmare screams still haunt my sleep. There was never enough food in the house to fill his psychological hole.
For Dan,
Heather
yet we speak against torture unless it suits our purpose - then its fine of course we do it in a “nice” way - yeah thats the ticket
Twain @ 170
No, and, much to Suzanne’s chagrin, no Skoal Ring branded in the rear pocket!!! ;-)
Maybe they’ve tortured him to the point of insanity, and he’ll be committed somewhere.
Twain @ 168
Of course they do. Rove cried when he had to stop.
Twain @ 168
Yes. My thought since before he came to office. “Please don’t kill me. Please don’t kill me.” Who but a psychopath would have such a thought even enter their mind and giggle at the thought.
GordonM @ 169
If they don’t let him go for that reason, he becomes the next generation of the disappeared, and we become third-world…case closed, party over, thanks for coming.
Twain @ 168
I think they get off on only one thing.. the exercise of power. It’s a Macchiavelli thing. Power for power’s sake. That’s the only thing that makes them excited.. well, for Cheney. Bush gets off on that, and the signs and badges and medals and mission-accomplished signs that go along with having power.
Sorry, Lew, I wasn’t aware that my Levi’s 501, red tag, would be such a distraction, Mi Amigo!!! *g*
Blub @ 186
Entitlement.
well, if they’re as bad as is being suggested here, they could just suicide him. Found hangin’ in his cell ’cause they forgot to apply the shackles that day…
CTuttle at 187
You are never a distraction.
Lew Koch at 175
We’ll see. I haven’t seen anything close to the law being applied by her thus far. From clumping these mopes together and failing to dismiss charges for lack of evidence to blasting 9-11 all over the place - with no probative value whatsoever, just sheer prejudice and fear-mongering.
No, my bet is she’s praying for an outright acquittal. Otherwise, any reputation she may have as a judge is shot. A good appellate panel would rip her to shreds. And she deserves it. So many reversible errors it is shocking.
Chacounne @ 179
Peace be with you.
Lew Koch @ 190
Mahalo Nui Loa!!!
Padilla has already flipped, he was our asset. We used him to try and get his bro to flip. He was a plausible insertion to the chat circle at Club Fed Ex(Gitmo).
Apologies, Fed Ex probably doesn’t do renditions, just some jumpseat asset transfers; another flight company from their home town did the actual renditions…
Blub @ 189
This is happening to this man in this manner, because they need to make an “example” of him; as well as to set the “standard”. Typical dictatorship behavior.
Mr.Murder @ 194
His Bro? Que…???
Twain @ 168
Of course they enjoy it. Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Gonzales just launch a play to reduce the appeals window for death penalty cases?
You have to really love something, to do it when you’re as down in the dumps as Gonzales is.
GordonM @ 169
Uh, this wasn’t snark. It’s why they can’t figure out what to do with 500 or so prisoners in Gitmo who they know damn well were just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
It will also bite them in the ass. When the prisoner is a Brit, Aussie or Canadian citizen, they pretty much have to let them go. So they get assurances from the Brits, Aussies or Canadians. Assurances that last until the next election. So it may take a few years. But there are 192 or so signatories to the Geneva Conventions who will someday be on the lookout for dozens of this admin’s loyal servants. Hell, Kissinger hardly travels anymore, and his war crimes were downright civilized in comparison.
Twain @ 168
yep, and I strongly urge Californians to write Herr Governor and urge him to categorically reject this imposition of Federal authority, and not request any measure of Abu involvement in our state’s internal affairs
mjames at 191
..a good appellate court? Not in Florida. That’s the same court that slapped Cooke down when she tried to drop one of the charges against Padilla. The Appeals Court came back at her in 15 days and reinstated the charge. No — that Circuit is to the right of right. For Padilla to have a change in hell he has to be found guilty and the case brought before the SC. At least that’s my info.
Gunga Djinn @ 197
Didn’t AGAG just testify that he spends about 5-10 Mins for each Death Penalty plea??? :~(
Aren’t there still about 400 unaccounted-for people we disappeared into our black sites?
Blub @ 199
As goes California so goes the rest of the country.
Is Canada contract to geneva?
Doughy Pantload fearlessly blogs from there.
Perhaps he’d have to come off some of his halliburton inheritance from LBJ if he had to, say, appear at Den Haague to defend his support of ethnic cleansing and genocide…
Twain @ 168
Also, think about the Texas state execution process under Bush/Rove. One of the evangelicals met with Bush and the story that came out after was that Bush was mimicking some female death row inmates plea for mercy during the meeting.
Gunga Djinn @ 197
If they enjoy it, it is only because it successfully advances their agenda, which they have pre-planned by putting in all of those “little-noticed” loops in EOs and in the PA, so as not to be detected blatantly, as they apparently steadily advance.
this is why we need to get our Dem presidential candidates to swear to pledges that they will undo everything shrub has done. I like the idea of a 90 day period to unwind MCA, Patriot Act, Real ID Act, Immigratioin Responsibility Act, and all that other Goebbels stuff they made us vote for. If any candidate refuses to reverse shrub’s constitutional suspension, then they should be suspected by us of wishing to use shrub’s power grab to their own advantage. We have to make sure this really does end in 2009, and that we really do get our country back.
Good point, Blub,
Blub @ 202
That we presumably know about…!!!
The real travesty of the trial as a whole is the fact that Padilla was added to the indictment against the other defendants (not to mention those who were indicted in absentia - one of which is on the loose and another detained in Egypt). It has shifted focus onto Padilla and away from a legitimate case against the others - others that were not denied due process when arrested. The slight of hand seems to have succeeded. It should have made people wonder why the prosecution would intentionally sabotage their own case against the others, which could have probably been easily won without Padilla being added to this trial. Why would they intentionally not mention that there was a specific target (when there was) and blow their own case? It smacks of good ole fashioned “throwing a fight” for the bookies. No one seems to have caught on to that fact. The US Attorney’s office has intentionally shut out victim notification in this case. There must be a reason. This trial has been sabotaged by both the prosecution and the defense. I firmly believe that the truly will never be revealed - a truth that exists in the grey area, being neither black nor white. Although I am sure that the other defendant’s lawyers were happy to see Padilla added to this trial (despite their public statements). After all, his addition to the defense turned this trial into a mockery. There is a huge difference between that confused young man from Brooklyn/Chicago who made some extremely poor life choices and his handlers who exploited his every weakness.
Padilla was an easy mark for these gangsters hiding behind Islamic rhetoric. At this point his guilt or innocence has become a mute point in light of how his case was bungled. He is the only one out of that bunch who, if “proven guilty”, should probably get off with time served (and then some) after what he has been put through.
GordonM at 198
I knew your comment wasn’t snark.
This is a disastrous situation. It’s like they never think things through. On top of outright mind-boggling criminality, their incompetence is staggering.
I’m just not so sure the truth - or justice - will out. So many deaths. So much hatred for us now - all over the world.
Gonzales Seeks “Fast-Track” Authority to Carry Out Death Penalties
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....eheadlines
Yeah, you have to love what your doing to find ways to do it faster.
QuakerGirl @ 203
Blub
That’s a very good idea. We don’t need anything like that here. It’s bad enough already with our prison industry.
mjames @ 209
What is shocking is the fact their sheer incompetence hasn’t sunk their boat yet!!!
Me3 @ 205
Referred to @184.
I am beginning to suspect that one part of the reason Bush had to go around FISA is because he has been using the military satallites to spy on Americans for the last 6 years. And that is oh, so, against the law. The resolution they are admitting to is 1/2 a meter. For our American audience 1/2 a meter is a little more than a foot. Don’t tell me they can’t see faces….of course they can. And with a few little tricks, that are now, probably done digitally, you can see to the side….like license numbers. Besides, anyone with Onstar or a cell phone is a sitting duck. You can’t turn your cell phone off unless you take the battery out. And I wouldn’t put it past some manufacturers to put a backup flat battery in the phone. So…..if 1/2 a meter is what is declassified, then guess what folks. better not look up unless you want to stare into the face of the King.
CTuttle @ 201
Yes, “spent minutes” on a particular death penalty case, subject of who’s name he could not recall. I believe it was Schumer drilling him on the negligent manner in which he handled life & death matters. During last hearing from Gonzo.
cynic @ 214
OMG…no more nude sunbathing on the deck?
Lew Koch at 200.
You’re right, of course. I was thinking a different panel, but that Circuit is bad (as are most of them now, maybe excepting the 2d Circuit). The only appellate court would have to be the Supremes - and it’s pretty awful having to depend on that group. You start off with 4 against whatever would help Padilla or justice. Kennedy? Good God, Kennedy is our hope for the rule of law?
QuakerGirl @ 203
And categorically reject the repug’s ballot initiative to alter the Electoral College’s long-standing traditions!!!
CTuttle @ 212
They have a very feral cunning when it comes to survival. I’m quite sure it will all come apart, but these things can take quite awhile. Pinochet got what, 30 years? before things came crashing in on him. I don’t think it will take anywhere near that long, but it could easily take 10 years. If we can get our Congresscritters to muster enough spine to keep them on the defensive for the next 17 months, we should be OK. Eventually. And on that optimistic note, I’ll toddle off to bed, being quite possible the easternmost FDL commenter still in the continental US.
Loo Hoo. @ 207
And we oughta make em say it, loud, in public, on the record….or no contributions, no votes!
CTuttle @ 219
yep.. quick, everybody register to vote in the OC and Central Valley.. vote against giving them their own electoral votes :).. just kidding, sort of.. I, um, respect our .. um. rethug counties.
Gunga Djinn @ 211
Gonzoles = Hispanic vote pandering.
What do you think Hispanics think of Gonzoles?
Gonzo was an upchuck of the Texas Governorship… Back when Bush had a mandate with Gannon.
Blub @ 222
..also might be good to remind Herr Governator that if he pushes for this electoral college thing, it happens and our state ends up electing the next rethug president, we will dedicate ourselves to making use of our state’s overly flexible recall mechanism to send him to gray davis-land.
I was asked politely to come back down here and let everybody know that late night is up. I didn’t realize that it was the duty of the zed winner. My apologies.
. . . and “putting our Constitution to the test” means putting us to the test. One of the most frigthening aspects of the nascent presidential campaign is a lack of willingness or demand among voters to correct the criminality to gross abuses of the last six years — as well as to take steps to prevent this from happening again. The candidates are generally speaking not to quick to stir this sentiment either.
A lot of talk about ending the war, which is critical and overdue. However, without a desire to start undoing so much of what has happened since 2001, Padilla trials and U.S. wars on countries like Iraq are not going to be just footnotes to this one socially promoted presidency.
On another note, I have really appreciated the Padilla coverage the past several weeks. Well done to you Lew and team. Thank you!
sláinte,
cl
Great reporting and coverage of the trial but with a major error of fact on a side issue. In 1960, John F. Kennedy won enough electoral votes to win the Presidency without the electoral votes from Illinois. Anything the late Mayor Richard J. Daley of sainted memory, may he rest in peace, or his machine did (or did not do) while counting votes in Chicago had nothing to do with JFK’s electoral college victory. Kennedy won 303-219(Nixon)-15(Harry Byrd of Virginia) with 269 (of 537) needed then for victory. Illinois had 27 electoral votes. Without the votes from Illinois, JFK had 276 which was enough to win according to the Official results from the National Archives
Mad Dogs @ 18
If you search back issues of 16 Magazine from the early 1970s, you’ll find pictures of Michael Jackson playing basketball with his older brothers.
THAT said, as a Chicago resident, I really appreciate this article. Thanks!
mjames @ 191
Faith-based judging? Faith other goopers will ‘take care of’ the guy and thus protect her performance? Yep, it’s a mafia.
To archive1
Thanks for posting the facts about Kennedy’s election.
I wonder, though, why nobody else noticed this dessicated scrap of Republican talking points for three hours.
I guess even committed democrats can sometimes fall for oppo propaganda.
Nixon did not ask for a recount in Illinois because they thought that there was actually more miscounting downstate. (Downstate in Illinois means everywhere but Chicago) He did ask for recounts in some other states.
The story of the stolen election in Chicago is eminently disputable. Certainly not an established fact.
Lew rocks! Thanks for yet another superlative post.
LS @ 217
Just get with the program, like we do here in Hawaii. The police, DLNR, Nat’l Guard, and DEA have been jointly helicoptering our neighborhoods for decades looking for backyard pot — we just make a point of showing our best sides when they fly over.
And regarding photo resolution — how many fingers?