According to Arianna, the man who brought you the Judy Miller, Queen of All Iraq show has a few things to say about the Crandall Canyon Mine tragedy:
Despite so many questions left unanswered about the mine’s safety and the decisions the mine’s owners made, the Times did no follow up. Indeed, New York Times readers – and shareholders — would have been better (much better) served if Times editors had spared the expense of sending reporters to Huntington and had just republished the reports from the Salt Lake Tribune and AP.
Instead, last night, Sulzberbger preferred to rationalize away his paper’s choices. “I’m told that 324 violations are not a lot,” he said to me.
I guess it isn’t if you’re not the one who winds up at the bottom of a fucking mineshaft.
Read Tula’s posts about mine owner Bob Murray, the union-hating nut who talks to squirrels. While it may just be bad reporting and a reflexive tendency to take information in small, digestible bites from professional PR flacks, the choice by the Times and other outlets to portray Murray as a cuddly, benevolent patriarch in the wake of what happened is sounding a bit like “let them eat cake.”
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Jane!
“…up at the bottom of a fucking mineshaft” as we continue the downstairs “foul-mouthed fem blog” meme.
Oh, and single digits.
I’m really glad they use such high quality chain link to fortify the..”ribs” of the tunnel.
retirin’ in five @ 4
Double. 11 pending.
good for Ariana for getting after Sulzberger… I’m betting she scared him…
Well, Bob Murray said that seismic activity was the cause of the seismic activity and apparently seismic activity is caused by calling whatever it is seismic activity.
You gotta repeat the message to sort of catapult the propaganda.
-GSD
Aloha Ya’ll from the rainy, blustery Big Isle!
In reference to MSM’s consistent need to do things like “portray Murray
Scroogeas a cuddly, benevolent patriarch”, they just can’t ever resist.To wit: Hot Tub Tommy Delay will rise again from the dead on CNN’s Situation Room this afternoon.
And this is news, how? Oops! There he is now saying Denny “Let me put you in a crotch hold” Hastert as the best speaker ever.
OT – Soldiers deploying to Iraq and Afghanistan will be facing the extended 15-month deployments until at least next June, a top Army commander said today.
CTuttle @ 9
the hurricaine weather sure looks and feels strange, doesn’t it, CT?
Great point Jane – the continuing Murray as responsible caring boss is a horror … didn’t any of these reporters dream of being real journalists?
(oh, and DeLay is now talking about how great it is that Rove is now free to work for all sorts of campaigns – on CNN … why is this guy not in jail?)
“Your Media Inaction” might be more appropriate. Yesterday evening Alaska Rep. Don Young made his only at-large open-to-the-public appearance in Anchorage since the last century. It didn’t go very well for him. The Anchorage Daily News coverage of the event was hastily written, and failed utterly to convey the malevolence of the two sides toward each other and the closeness it all came to open violence among people in the crowd.
So, are we supposed to not be foul-mouthed any more? Can I still be a white guy? I can tone down the vulgarity, but it’s hard to do anything about, you know, the other thing.
Also, note to the NYT–324 of anything is a lot of things. OK, maybe not if you’re talking about carbon atoms or G-2 stars. For other things, though, 324 is what we non-physicists refer to as ” a lot.”
All dramatic, personal narratives in the media serve to distract from realities of class, economics and politics.
Judy Miller. Talk about a sucker being born every second.
Siun @ 13
Because “due process” takes a little while to work.
you dont dig stuff out of the ground with the mine safety you want, you dig stuff out of the ground with the mine safety you have.
here li’l squirrel, c’mon fella….over here….
29 (not counting today) U.S. soldiers dead in Iraq since Congress went on vacation.
Tom Delay giving a delightful interview to Suzanne Malveaux…why is this man still not in jail?
“Rove’s still going to be around, stronger than ever”…bugga, bugga..Then why did he cry Tom?
Good, keep him around. Then they can haul off his sorry lying butt along with Delay’s when more Abramoff stuff comes out.
OldCoastie @ 12
Eerie and dark!
http://www.goes.noaa.gov/GIFS/HAIR.JPG
brendan @ 16
oh man ain’t it the truth. so much ’sentiment’ is just malarkey covering up root causes.
CTuttle @ 22
Am I correct that it has turned north somewhat?
Also, while we’re talking about numbers, NYT:
Zero is not a large, dangerous, unacceptable number of WMDs for your average dictator to possess.
Zero–small. 324, big. It’s not rocket science.
Siun @ 13
Texas justice is…ahmmmm…different. When Junya appointed Abu Gonzales way back when as one of its Supreme Court justices kinda makes the point, doesn’t it?
OT but remember in ‘Dr. Strangelove’ the ‘mineshaft gap’….
Then there was his truly bizarre initial press conference. That one really had me shaking my head.
Tom Deluded thinks that leaving the seat of power gets one more power.
Why were the Democrats or anyone afraid of this mental munchkin?
-GSD
Arianna always cuts to the quick. In this house we adore this person.
Twain @ 24
It has tracked closer to the Isles than anticipated, the rest of the Isles, particularly, Kauai and Oahu should be wary!!!
Per Reuters via CNN: 3 suicide bombings in Iraq, hundreds killed and wounded, one of the worst attacks.
IT is escalating…
Speaking of Delay, what’s cooking with this thug’s legal troubles?
It’s pretty deflating that as archetypal a villain as a mine owner — and a fat one in the bargain — could be portrayed sympathetically in the media. I grew up in this country when even my meek and gentle grandfather could approvingly recount beating scabs.
LS @ 32
Oh, silly. George W. Bush said it would be a tough August. See, when the troop deaths plunge it is a sign the occupation is succeeding. When the deaths rise it is a sign the bitter enders are desperate and are giving a last gasp.
Criminals……sick and vile criminals.
-GSD
crusty ol’ guy with a heart of gold.
and a few dozen german shepherds to keep the orphans in line.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 30
Only she has a bad habit of giving Alan Dershowitz a forum.
LS @ 32
But…but…Bill Kristol says things are improving!….
We should be mailing Sulzberger chunks of coal, enough to fill his office and then some. How about one piece for every citation that every mine has received to date this year?
The accident in Utah wasn’t the only mine accident this week that claimed lives, although the second one has been classified a construction accident. Three men died after falling 500 feet from a basket inside a mine shaft; they were not required to wear a harness under existing federal regulations, nor was the basket required to be closed with mesh/screen. The mine in which the accident took place had been issued 292 citations this year to date, and the construction company that employed these men had been cited 28 times for safety violations.
Yeah, 324 violations isn’t much. 292 and 28 are both smaller numbers, too.
But we have 3 confirmed dead and 6 likely dead because of these not-much numbers. 47 workers were killed in mine accidents last year because of these kinds of not-much numbers. Sulzberger is such a callous asshole.
do-si-do @ 38
Things are improving, from his perspective: we have our highest troop levels there since the start of the war.
brendan @ 34
Does this mean the mine owner is inflated? Sorry, couldn’t resist…
CTuttle @ 31
Having “enjoyed” riding out hurricanes Charlie, Frances, and Jeannie in Florida in ‘04, plenty of batteries for the flashlights and boombox radios/tape decks, make the experience at least somewhat tolerable. And a few good books.
Donna Brazile sticking the knife in Obama’s back and twisting it slowly…
brendan @ 37
Old Republican habits die hard, darling.
Rayne @ 39
And he also seems to be determined to give Murdoch the openings that Murdoch believes are there to take on the Times…
brendan @37
I put Alan Dershowitz and Karl Rove in the same category.
They’re both really good at what they do.
do-si-do @38
But…but…Bill Kristol says things are improving!….For KBR!Rayne @ 39
That’s a good idea, Rayne
GSD @ 35
Part snark, part editorial comment: I really wish the MSM would identify all of these bombings with a date and time. I often read a story like this: “A suicide bomber killed (X number of people) in Iraq today, in the worst attack since (fill in time frame, usually something like “last week”).” Since I get a lot of my news from the internet, I often can’t tell if they’re talking about a new attack or if it’s still the one from earlier in the day.
GSD @ 35
By the time Petraeus reports the response will be – the insurgency is reacting to the September deadline imposed by war critics, escalating their attacks in order to sway American public opinion and weaken public resolve in the mission. Its the Dems fault.
Rayne @ 39
Yeah, life is cheap when it’s not ours on the line, right, Sulzberger? Right, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bush? Callous ########, all of them.
Great potty-mouthed femblog comment, Rayne! ;)
dakine01 @ 42
I’m prepared in that regards, but, I don’t think I’m gonna need them! However, my folks and Grandma live in Naalehu, where the CNN guy was reporting from! They’re safe and secure now!
Talk about being shafted — no doubt this is where the phrase originated from in the first place.
THIS is why EVERY mine in this country needs to be unionized, for starters!
Info on the bombings in Iraq here
Looks like these were a series of coordinated attacks on the Yazihdi people around Mosul … part of the ethnic cleansing going on in the North and unreported here because we love the “peaceful kurdistan” myth.
Punishing violations of the law? That’s sooo Liberal, it’s quaint.
/snark off.
The media is liberal, the economy is strong, labor unions destroy jobs, the surge is working, George W. Bush is the kind of man you’d like to have a beer with.
Repeat liberally.
-GSD
Murdoch wants the NY Times. Perhaps WaPo is next. Oh humm.
BTW, has anyone else commented/noticed all the friggin’ assurances that we should wait for September for what Petraeus “will tell you“, like they are all friggin’ psychics or something.
But it’s true, I’m sure the report has already been written and passed around and only needs to be mouthed by the Great BiPartisan Petraeus.
I mean, the drones can’t even pretend properly that he’s “independent”. They just don’t know what it looks like.
The smug condescending smiles are getting to be too much.
Siun @ 54
Siun- Yazihdi people are? Kurdish Muslims? apologize for my ignorance.
And the Israeli military killed a sixty year old woman today. And Bibi’s gets 75% of vote in Lik*d primary today, on his way to becoming PM.
do-si-do @ 58
And all the escalation the US throws at Iraq isn’t going to cure it.
Get.Us.Out.Of.There.
Gosh golly, Oklahoma, Hilarious will NEVER allow the preeminent newspaper of her fair state to be Murdoched. He would have to change the motto. ‘Fit’ would become ‘fitted’…
Barbara Starr reporting that the US has over 800 Iraqi juveniles, 11 to 17 in custody in Iraq.
-GSD
Seamus – Yazihdi are ethnic kurds who practice a non-muslim religion of their own. They are generally not well liked – they are very secretive and treat muslims and others as sinful. They are one of many groups reportedly being ethnically cleansed in Kurdish regions.
The Yazidi were noticed here earlier this year when a young Yazidi woman was killed by her relatives for seeing a Sunni boy in a nearby town.
OT but pertinent
My Congresscritter Rahm E is pulling a fast public appearance today with virtually no notice
Nervous, maybe?
The last minute notice is effective in my case – I have a commitment I cannot break.
Any other local Chicagoans – Please get out and talk to our ‘leadership’
“I guess it isn’t if you’re not the one who winds up at the bottom of a fucking mineshaft”
Why can’t our candidates speak like this? I’m serious. If you try to respond with reason and overly polite civility to total b/s you are implicitly giving credibility to the b/s.
A good letter to ed in sunday Mpls Star Trib on the Petraeus Report by a friend. The Stib put this title on it: ‘Read it here first’. He starts out, “Any reasonably connected seventh-grader should be able to divine the substance of the report…”
do-si-do @ 51
But the real obscenity in my comment was more than 600 safety violations between 2 sites and three companies — and two of the companies could have had thousands more citations, depending on how many mines they owned/operated.
That’s incredibly obscene, literally playing numbers with people’s lives.
Being a f*cking foul-mouthed fem-blogger, though, I’m not capable of noticing this, only ranting about it.
Siun @ 63
Thank you, Siun. Always learning something new at the Lake.
Frank Probst @ 49
This happened today.
Mack -good catch … I’m trying to change my schedule now to go see Rahm but not sure I can…
argh
GSD@62:
800 juveniles in Iraq prisons, atrocious. I don’t remember that msm has reported this until now or have they? Why does it take them years to report this stuff? Never mind….
GSD @ 63
The Bush Administration is worried that its plans will be upset by a bunch of “meddling kids”.
That sneaky 9-fingered devil.
a href=”#comment-895383″>Siun @ 70
I was hoping you would see that.
My schedule, unfortunately is not at all flexible.
These events have, in the past, been announced with at least a couple days lead time.
I think he is nervous.
outa here
Rush gets the first Rove post-resignation interview:
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/…..exclusive/
Wow, what a pukefest THAT’s gonna be!
OT, and not on the Iraq issue either, not exactly…
I know there are great posts and comments on all this, but is anyone noticing the absence of Cheney in all of the discussion of Rove and Bush? The more I read about Rove and the meme of his failure to pull off the PRM (permanent repub majority), and how his ruthless and divisive political tactics came back to roost, the more I have the frightening sense that it would have worked all too well if it hadn’t been for Cheney, Rumsfeld, and the Neocons and their phoney, unnecessary war. Strangely, reading this idea into the lines about Rove and Bush, I get this weird feeling that it’s not his fault, like he was just a robotic monster executing the domestic and election plan quite effectively, given the circumstances.
So I wonder, what if Bush had let Colin Powell lead the response to 9/11, and Cheney was somehow just the vice-president. Rove still would have gotten all he could ask for in terms of exploiting terrorism and fear.
This leads me to believe that the MSM and the whole drift of recess coverage is aiming at making Rove the bad guy and the scapegoat, the guy who pushed too hard and went too far, and Bushco is in serious trouble so take this fat goat and chew on it ad nauseum.
But shouldn’t the real failure be traced back to Cheney? They keep talking about Rove and Bush, Rove and Bush, but wouldn’t it be better to say that Rove’s plans were knocked off track by the foreign policy of Cheney and the neocons? Bush is the great enabler, and his sponsorship of Rove’s criminality is significant and highly damaging, but isn’t his enabling of Cheney and the 4th branch policies 100 times worse?
I feel like I haven’t really seen much in the way of discussion of how Cheney’s policies dovetailed with Rove’s tactics into tragic failure.
I’ve canceled the Times home delivery before but found myself buying it at the store in the morning. I have an addiction to the crossword puzzle and I’m in love with Will Shortz.
mc @ 77
Q: Well Karl, when you go to the Dominican Republic, how many little blue pills do you take?
A: Rush, you’ll have to give me some advice there. I’m going to have a lot of time on my hands and all my worldly experience comes from my trips to the Middle East. That, by the way, was a three pill trip.
Rayne @ 68
Yep, it’s pretty f’ed up. (not being snarky or anything, just totally on board with everything you said.) These mine owner people give me the creeps.
ET, Great link to Don Youngs picnic.. I love the protest photos including some on this page..)
Fox’s 1/2 hour half hour gets canned. I guess limbaugh and coulter will blame the angry lefties, again.
http://www.mediabistro.com/tvn….._65085.asp
If anything, click the link to check out the pic of the two rightwingtard’s comedic faces. Freakin’ clowns.
The Media are aristocrats. Their job is to protect other aristocrats. A handful of conglomerates own all the print media and teevee networks. Sulzberger is carrying their water. If he refuses, he will be canned. If he is a good boy for them, he will get his very fat paycheck and be invited for cocktails (weenies included).
Zhiv @ 78
Good point. I was wondering about Rove & Iraq connections too, like, WTF? When I think Rove (if I have to) I think dirty politics and politicization of domestic stuff. And lockstep support of all things Bush, whether it be Iraq or any other imcompetent effort.
Iraq is Bush/Cheney’s baby. And Rumsfeld the midwife.
hackworth @ 84
I’d rather be a foul mouthed fem.
Karl says the first thing he’s going to do when he leaves the WH at the end of the month is to go dove hunting in Texas.
Well, a reported 116 of those “not that many” violations were serious–”serious” defined as capable of causing injury or death.
Maybe someone will explain that definition to Mr. Murray and his buddy, Pinch. My guess is that the only familiarity Lord Sulzberger has with coal is that he used to get it in his stocking at Christmas….
— Salzberbger
There are a lot of things I don’t like about this statement. If Salzberbger is being objective, then I would say that our mining industry needs to be cleaned of violations. People say it costs money to do this – Well, when Murray is swimming in the millions, he can shut down the mine for some time to make sure his employees are safe. Also, it means our coal production is consistent in the long run.
If Salzberbger is being apologetic to the mine owners, well then Salzberbger is a sucka for trying to make it sound like mine collapses should be an acceptable event in America. It’s not acceptable. Maybe in the days before the Great Depression this sorta thing was allowed. We
JPL @ 79
Well, you could buy a compilation of NYT crossword puzzles ina book form. Just a thought. No one will tell. :)
montag @ 88
or perhaps the Sulzberger family has investments in natural resources, such as coal?
GSD @ 8
GSD – I have had a terrible day full of a gravely ill and beloved stepmother whose daughter has alienated her own brothers and has attacked my father, accusing him of not feeding her mother, comparing her to a nazi war victim.
You gotta repeat the message to sort of catapult the propoganda – GSD
Thanks for making it funny. I’m exhausted.
zhiv @ 78
Does it matter, percentage-wise? They’re all fuck-ups, and put `em in a circle and you have the definition of a clusterfuck.
Bush is a tabla rasa on which both Rove and Cheney have been doing quite a bit of scribbling.
(((Boston1775)))
cancer_cures @ 89
we’re going backwards through history, I tell ya. Fuckin backwards.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 87
Coo Coo
moeman @ 83
Oh, in my own private, silent protest, I check every bookstore I enter to see how the Coultergeist paperback is doing. I’m happy whenever I see stacks and stacks of them, like they are not selling through…I then cover the top one with Glenn’s book.
It’s a little thing that makes my day.
Elliott @ 91
I have a money market account. That doesn’t mean I’m an expert at currency arbitrage…. :)
Boston, hang in their. America is entering a sad and dark period and it is going to affect all of us.
We must all be here for one another.
Peace.
-GSD
jayt @ 20
29 (not counting today) U.S. soldiers dead in Iraq since Congress went on vacation.
Updated: 34 U.S. soldiers dead in Iraq since Congress went on vacation.
Elliott @ 94
Group Hug. That sucks Boston. Hope things get better soon.
do-si-do @ 38
Jon Stewart did a very disappointing interview last night with Bill Kristol. He gave Kristol carte blanche. Things are really getting better, said Kristol. And Petraeus thinks you are a pussy, he told Stewart.
It was a joke, but the whole interview made Kristol appear intelligent, human, friendly and believable. Kristol is a discredited neocon warmongering monster and Stewart’s audience should know that.
do-si-do @ 97
atta boy! (girl?)
just a thought, you might also sprinkle some dust and cobwebs on the coultergeists……
Elliott, GSD, I’m humbled and crying and thankful. Thanks do-si-so.
mc @ 77
I hope the producers prep the place like there is going to be a Gallagher show. The saliva and Jeffy-lube will be a flying.
-GSD
Wikipedia Scanner is supposed to allow one to track Wiki edits, such as by the evil vote stealing, company Diebold.
Fox Noise has been busy trying to create their bright, shiny lies, with lots of Wiki edits. Fox made numerous wiki edits for Keith Olbermann, Al Franken, CNN, and lots of others.
Is Wiki run by liberal, loud mouth, fem bird dogging, internet hoodlum, fanatics?
Light at the end of the tunnel
BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) — At least 100 people were killed and dozens were hurt in three separate suicide bombings in northern Iraq, police said Tuesday.
Three bombers detonated three trucks laden with explosives in three locations around 8 p.m., officials said.
The blasts took place in the Yazidi town of Qahtaniya, about 60 miles west of Mosul. The Yazidi sect is a mainly Kurdish minority.
Motherfuckers want to talk about obscenity. . .
hackworth @ 102
I’m fascinated by the Bloody Kristol’s demeanor.
What goes on in that kind of mind?
hackworth @ 102
Stewart’s audience does know that. Jon deserves some “feedback.”
John Stewart should have Kristol on to be pelted with eggs and rotten tomatoes. That he consistently gives a warmonger like Kristol a war(m) reception is to his discredit.
Kristol is an integral part of the advance team to push the Petreaus Show as a great success.
Kristol is aiding and abetting a continued war crime. It will result in more deaths.
Stewart should realize that and tell Kristol to fuck off in no uncertain terms.
-GSD
Elliott @ 108
Remember the old adage about sausage being made?
You don’t want to know. :)
“I’m told that 324 violations are not a lot.”
Told by whom?
This guy owns a newspaper?
Tweety just smacked down a baby neocon…
GSD @ 105
They should compare pudendums. that would be amusing. Since Karl lost weight, he may be able to actually view the tip now. Rush, not so much.
Speaking of warmongering bastards. Move the apocalypse clock to 10 till midnight.
Guess who’s back….Bibi’s back….
-GSD
Jonathan @ 112
I presume he’s been told by a reporter, who probably got that info from either Murray, or a mine inspector who’s seen worse.
The idiocy in such a remark is that there are people in that mine who can’t get out, or may be dead already, and there’s a history of serious violations. 2 plus 2 still equals 4, Pinch.
Two puds with a Pod.
LS @ 113
Tweety just smacked down a baby neocon…
said neocon’s argument in favor of re-instituting the draft being that the troops would get better equipment.
Brilliant lot, they are. Earlier Tweedy had disturbing clips showing GWB to be pushing the War because God wants it to be so.
LS @ 113
At least he’s picking on people his own size and brainpower….
Off topic, but I thought the Pups would be interested in this:
http://www.mainewebreport.com/…..ing-susan/
Lance Dutson, who is Sen. Susan Collins’ PAID BLOGGER & INTERNET DIRECTOR, has called FireDogLake a foulmouthed fem-blog.
What do you guys think of that? I think Lance Dutson is speaking for Sen. Susan Collins and this is what she thinks and I think it stinks!
Remember the hell Edwards’ bloggers went through? Well, I think ole Lance is gonna be Susan’s catalyst for her own destruction. Ha ha.
“I guess it isn’t if you’re not the one who winds up at the bottom of a fucking mineshaft.”
Amen. Well said.
montag @ 116
I agree entirely. My point was about his weasly use of the passive voice.
zhiv @ 78
Plays into their “nonpartisan” mantra – “Rove went too far, others should avoid the obvious pitfall.” Also allows them to avoid their own culpability for cheerleading the war.
KayInMaine @ 120
I’M SO PROUD
KayInMaine @ 120
there’s a whole foulmouthed fem thread on that
KayInMaine @ 120
This is certainly because FDL has been encouraging people to contribute to Collins’ Dem opponent.
It’s not much of a surprise. Now, we had the amusement of dangerstein, and we could have a little fun with Lance. Perhaps he should be henceforth referred to as “Lance-it.” :)
This fucker has lied to the press from the beginning- about the earthquake- and about the denial of doing “retreat mining”. The media has every reason in the world to rip this guy a new one.
OT but never really OT/ Thank you, Christy, Jane, TRex, Pach, Scarecrow, Siun, Suzanne for the heart that’s attached to the analysis. This thanks belongs in this post – they’re caught in a mine with “not that many violations”.
This is directed to KayinMaine at 120 who did her duty and brought our attention to Susan Collins’ blog person who called FDL a foulmouthed fem-blog.
The press doesn’t do well with people who stare em in the face and lie their asses off. It would be rude- and partisan- to point out that they lied- so they make it into a “matter of opinion”. Dumbshits!
rwcole @ 127
And insert squirrels!
KayInMaine @ 120
Uh, Kay? Check out the end of Jane’s post on the last thread and a lot of the comments…
Tweety just said that Bush is basically messianic…
What was that about penitence again?
I’m fascinated by the Bloody Kristol’s demeanor.
What goes on in that kind of mind?
Kristol is recently returned from a guided neocon tour of Iraq with full security detail. Kristol would do well to have been given a pea shooter and hit the streets. It might have changed his worldview a bit.
hackworth @ 101
He’s done this before with Kristol. Don’t know why. The malignant smirk on that face is enough to make a saint puke. Not a single redeeming quality, imo. Makes his living trading in the blood of everyone killed in wars’ he actively encourages in and he revels in the violence. If there is a hell, he and his will most certainly roast in the hottest fire.
“I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night, alive as you or me…….”
After listening to the Utah mine owner bloviate, one comes to the opinion that not much in Utah has changed since 1914.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..mp;search=
well now the real game is on
it’s being said now even as we write, they plan on making this some kind “ten year plan”
that’s right, “in ten years bahgdad will be a wonderfull place”
and patreas is already talking about a ten year occupation
this kind of talk has to be laughed out the door, we have to EMBARRASS the president when this is referred and remind EVERYONE, this was going to take “a month, 2 monts, I doubt 6 months” or whatever it was that moron rumsfeld said
rwcole @ 127
And, totally confoundingly, used the media exposure to go on a robber baron’s rants. This guy’s a tool.
As for retreat mining, as I recall, it’s a lignite mine. That stuff is a very, very soft brown coal, about one or two steps away from being peat. Anyone contemplating removing overburden should have made damned sure that everyone was out first, not only because it’s soft and unstable, but, also because it outgases volatiles when exposed to air. Without enough ventilation, there’s nothing to breathe but the volatiles.
Elliott, I had the distinct impression Kristol was referring to the same trip as Podhoretz et al used in their NYT piece.. Sure wish Stewart has asked if they all traveled together.
Buchanan on Tucker
I enjoy Pat- never agree with him but enjoy hearing him.
rwcole @ 139
Same here. I think he says what he truly thinks.
Eureka Springs @ 138
a very good question indeed! I’d like to hear the answer.
WHAT IF?
What if they ALL were deathly afraid of Rove?
What if now that Rove is gone the whole dang shootin’ match starts to fall apart as they …
* careen wildly off message
* reveal what (little) they really think
* express (amplified) repressed feelings (like Bush is messianic)
AND
* generally mouth off?
It seems to be starting already.
The idjit said that Rove had nothing to do with the run up to the war…
Bwwwhahahahahaha…his speeches were right out of Rove’s collection of Nazi speeches..bah…historian my ass.
KayInMaine @ 120
Great to see where “moderate” Susan Collins’ staffers get their talking points: right from Bill Orally himself. Calling DKos an antisemitic hate site is right from the FOX playbook. As for FDL — we’re plenty butch, thank you Susan Collins!
montag @ 136
I don’t know about lignite, etc., but there’s not much doubt about it. Retreat mining is exactly what caused a ceiling collapse in another section of the same mine, this March, only 900 feet away on the same level.
fdl reader @ 142
That would be a miracle…but, I believe in miracles.
fdl reader @ 142
Hiatt’s editorial today would suggest there’s some validity to the above.
I do think there were any number of pundits who were afraid of him, and now that he’s no longer useful (i.e., not around to give them self-serving scraps anonymously), they’re getting a bit bolder.
Don’t expect that to be a trend, though. Someone else at the WH will step up to piss on their heads, and they’ll still tell themselves it’s raining.
raven @ 107
Those in the MSM who are trashing Rove never were in the loop.
They are just vultures. Creatures of opportunity.
What they don’t understand, is that when the train leaves the station, they’ll be left behind with all the foul-mouthed fem blogs.
(((BOSTON)))
SeamusD @ 134
Well said. Kristol is a flaming ass.
The seismologists’ report is here.
They’re quite clear that it wasn’t an earthquake.
Eureka Springs @ 138
I wondered, too, if it was the same neoconpallooza. Probably so. The military brass appears to be using August to ship apologists and supportive Congresscritters in and out of the Green Zone pretty regularly.
Oh, and new thread.
rwcole @ 139
Pat is one heckuva a strange breed. But I have to say, he is self-effacing, charming and willing to stray from party and elite orthodoxy more than just about anyone around.
He’s still a far rightwinger, but a jovial one.
-GSD
{{{Boston1775}}} You aren’t alone. This kind of crap happens in all sorts of families. Just know that you are loved and doing your best.
Attention to those who see a light at the end of the tunnel…..it’s a damned train.
I am proud to be a foulmouthed fem. Damn it.
fdl reader @ 142
Go read Froomkin for some wonderful links to exactly what you describe.
Marcus Aurelius @ 55
Only if they’re NOT individual violations of criminal law – we’re soft on that! (Scooter being the exception that makes the rule)
montag @ 147: Interesting about Hiatt … hmmmm.
Helen @ 157: Thanks!
And I just made it up sittin’ here … must be *some* vibes in the air I picked up … some kinda weird femblog thing.
((((((((Take Care Boston)))))))))
I fear that Rove has just changed the location of his office. He is not gone only less visible.
Eureka Springs @ 138
Here is an icky interview, by Hewitt. Kristol says he went with the “military experts” Fred Kagan and Kim Kagan. chicken hawk neocons, actually.
Boston1775
Death doesn’t bring out the best in people.
Sorry you’re having to take the heat, but keep the faith.
Since my dad died a few weeks ago, a lot of people have shared their Dealing With Crazy, Jealous Family stories.
When this is over, you will still have your integrity and a lot of love. And the others will have to deal with their own stuff.
I guess it isn’t if you’re not the one who winds up at the bottom of a fucking mineshaft.
More power to the foulmouthed fem bloggers.
Oh, hell, ease up, Jane. It’s not like Murray was Tony Boyle or anything. He was a private entwrprise guy. Fuck, these people make me want to heave.
rwcole @ 139
when buchanan ran for president he dressed up like wyatt earp with a six gun and paraded around boot hill in tombstone or some facsimile.
i mean….c’mon pat!!!
then he got caught owning the mercedes.
LS @ 43
Do tell..
“I guess it isn’t if you’re not the one who winds up at the bottom of a fucking mineshaft.”
My thought exactly (although we are trying to minimize use of the F word @ our house as the college sophomore resorts to it a bit too often).
Folks at the very top seem often numbed to the concerns of those below them, especially those with a blue collar.
Warmest aloha, and keep up the great work.
I’m looking forward to Rupert Murdoch buying out the NYT’s and administering the final coup de grace to the old gray lady. She’s outlived her usefulness and is now only good for lining cat boxes and bird cages.
Elliott @ 125
Oooopsie. *blushing* I honestly didn’t read down the front page before I posted my comment! LOL I’m so glad that this was talked about, because Susan Collins has NOTHING to talk about except how much she despises the “foul-mouthed fem-blogs” WHO ARE EXPOSING HER RECORD AND WHO ARE ACTIVELY WORKING TO BOOT HER OUT OF OFFICE!
So, nevermind. Ignore my comment. LOL Thanks so much for coming. Your gift is at the door. :-)
Oh – Jane! A foul-mouthed fem-bot blogger after me own heart.
In the first few hours of the mine tragedy I found I’d fallen the PR spin on the mine owner courtesy of AP and other MSM outlets. As embarressing as it is, hopefully next time disaster strikes I’ll remmember what a fool I was won’t allow myself to be conned by those snake-oil salesmen again.
Murdock’s WSJ will chew up the NYTimes publisher and spit him out.
An elitist east coast publisher vs. a self-made conservative who has made his billions kicking the ass of self-centered trust fund babies. It will get ugly for the Times.
When Fox news slimes a populist they all sit around the bar at night and admit they did a hit peice on behalf of their owner.
When the Times slimes a populist they think they’re upholding the civility of the country and speaking truth to power.
I’d rather the first than the later.
I have been asking a very fundamental question for days now (since no one in a position to actually confront Murray the squirrel-whisperer will ask it): just how much does this paragon of free enterprise pay his employees and what sort of benefits do they enjoy for risking their lives to make him a wealthy man? As a person with a somewhat risky job myself I thank my lucky stars that I belong to a labor union that allows me to work in conditions that, while still dangerous, are far superior than those endured by non-union people.
Bottom line is this: workers need to look out for themselves, because the slave owners for whom they work really don’t give a shit about any of us. Please, no replies from those whose worst occupation hazard is a paper cut or facing an empty coffee pot in the lunch room.
I recognized that nut Murray from the gitgo. Isn’t he the guy who said on Fox “News” that Al Gore’s more dangerous than global warming?
Funny thing but the first new reports I’d read about the mine disaster was that, while this mining company had a spotty safety record with various facilities, the one in Utah had very good safety ratings.
Then again, the federal mine safety commission is also packed with Bush appointees. We found that out during the WV mine accident last year that killed 12.