David Frum very seriously explains that The Problem With Karl is that he answered the wrong question:
The question he answered so successfully was a political one: How could Republicans win elections after Bill Clinton steered the Democrats to the center?
The question he unfortunately ignored was a policy question: What does the nation need — and how can conservatives achieve it?
Well, in all fairness to Karl, I don’t think you can say for sure that he ignored that second question. He might just have answered it, “Who cares?”
Or maybe Karl realized that conservatives can’t actually meet the nation’s needs, which is why he relied on dirty tricks and manipulation over actual governance, and why Bush and the GOP rushed to settle as many scores and reward as many allies as possible before the gravy train derailed.
Also in fairness to Karl, I have a hard time picturing any conservative asking Frum’s second question. “What does the GOP/religious right/chamber of commerce need – and how can conservatives achieve it?”, sure. “What does the nation need or think it needs – and how can conservatives exploit that for electoral and financial gain?”, absolutely. But to actually ask themselves how they might help and improve the country, they clearly have “other priorities.”
And in further fairness to Karl, Frum makes it pretty obvious that he’s nursing a serious grudge for losing the immigration argument – quite possibly the only policy Rove was actually right about.
Wow, look at me – I love Karl!
(I also feel obliged to point out the hacktacular, concern-troll premise of the first question – that the Democrats are nigh-invulnerable when they wear their Magickal Centrist Longjohns Longbroders.)



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First? Good points Eli. I can’t envision Karl ever asking himself “What does the nation need?”
zed?
Oooh. almost!
zed?
zedless in MN
So many zeds, how can I choose?
Conservatives? Did/does Rove care about conservatives?
Eli!!!
TexBetsy @ 7
Alas, no. He has Let Conservatism Down.
Hiya, CTut!
The question was: How can we win?
The answer was: I’ll fix it.
LS @ 11
Fix is the word, all right.
The conservatives have to lie, cheat, steal elections, and use Orwellian language in order to get ANYTHING.
If they tried to present their programs and positions honestly and straightforwardly, they would lose in landslides nearly every time (I’ll give them an occasional victory because there are few absolutes in electoral politics, even those conducted honestly).
I just love the concern trolls.
They’re so damn cute.
Here’s a question, but not a very serious one. Can you guess who this is?
My rich friends are all happy with the administration’s policies and they’re the only ones that really count.
Son of Zed
Zed Revisited
Zed XVII
Hey Eli.
dakine01 @ 13
Well, sure – but you can’t expect them to *admit* to that…
The whole Frum piece is quite a piece of work, like where he claims that the Democrats are the party of the top & bottom, and the Republicans are the party of the middle(!), rants about immigrants, and gloats about how we’re falling into the same polarizing extremist trap as Karl.
Eli @ 10
Why on earth would ya; “Wow, look at me – I love Karl!” I’m aghast…!!! ;-)
Hiya, egreg!
They, and Karl, only know how to get elected. They don’t know what to do once they get there.
Except pillage.
Eli @ 12
…Brooks Riot… …Ohio RNC Servers…!!!
Renee in Ohio @ 15
Too cute to be an actual repub
The only reason Rove was considered a genius was he got an ape-like adolescent elected twice based upon smoke and mirrors.
Now that we know (we knew it of course in 2000)it’s all a big fraud Karl’s gettin’ no love.
Of course he had to cheat to get W elected-not the basis of a lasting majority. The majority actually believe the exact opposite of everything you stand for, Karl-of course ya had to cheat. And cheat you did.
Only semi-OT – did anyone see that the WH went after a Hillary ad – calling it, among other things, unconscionable.
The ad in question merely pointed out that to Bush, average folks were invisible – fair comment, I’d say.
It seemed dopey to me that they’d engage, and I wonder if that isn’t more of Karl’s
brillianceego coming to the fore?wangdangdoodle @ 22
That was their only intent.
But he’s got a *name*, TexBetsy.
Renee in Ohio @ 15
Why..that looks like Karl the fascism bear wrapped in the American flag!
Kevster @ 25
Well, in all fairness to Karl (heh), getting Dubya elected, or even *close* to elected, *is* a pretty incredible achievement considering just how unfavorable his positives/negatives balance sheet is.
I don’t understand the David Frums of this world. For them, the serious question is not how many angels can dance on the head of a pin but what were they wearing. I don’t know how to respond to that kind of thinking.
Kevster @ 25
I am sorry but you are not correct. That idiot son of an asshole was NEVER elected.
Hugh @ 31
Mmm… Angel cleavage…
I’m going to Hell, aren’t I.
Mutant Poodle @ 26
…and Hillary’s saying; ‘Bring it on!’ ;-)
Hey, egregious
:)
Hugh @ 31
For that sort of mentality, see the previous thread.
Eli @ 19
Just for fun, here’s Andrew Sullivan on Rove:
Rove is one of the worst political strategists in recent times. He took a chance to realign the country and to unite it in a war – and threw it away in a binge of hate-filled niche campaigning, polarization and short-term expediency. His divisive politics and elevation of corrupt mediocrities to every branch of government has turned an entire generation off the conservative label. And rightly so.
Eli @ 33
Already there.
Renee in Ohio @ 28
…err, serious baggage…!!! ;-)
Mutant Poodle @ 37
I just realized what it was that Karl built.
A dam.
Okay, big hint. His first name is Stephen.
Stephen ColBEAR?
Renee in Ohio @ 41
Col-bear?
We should ignore Frum but not Rove.
Frum makes his living off people like Rove. He is significant only to the extent others make him significant.
Rove does, in this world, create reality.
He is not dead politically.
If I were a scumbag repub looking how to win an election, I’d grovel to hire Rove.
Renee in Ohio @ 15
Stephen Col-bear?
Eli @ 40
…thats’ sprung a bunch of leaks…!!! 8-)
Heh. Yep–that’s it!
TexBetsy @ 42
Jinx!
Mutant Poodle @ 26
Only more evidence that they want Hillary to be the nominee, in my view. Her ad strikes me as very “general election” and as her husband says, You never should look an election ahead. Focus on the election ahead of you. Which in this case is the primary election.
Mutant Poodle @ 37
It sounds convincing, but this still sounds like more “Conservatism didn’t fail, Rove failed conservatism.”
When Sullivan starts saying that conservatism itself is a corrupt philosophy based, essentially, on feudalism, maybe I’ll start paying attention.
Colbert/Colbear zed!
Mutant Poodle @ 26
The people are not invisible, they appear as teeny tiny specks inside Air Force One, as for instance over New Orleans.
darkblack @ 35
Hey db. Keep up the good work.
Eli @ 33
Or heaven, depending on how she responds to you.
Maher, on King, saying Freddy is headed back to ‘L&O’!!! ;-)
Jonathan @ 44
I agree. Rove is not down for the count. He isn’t even on vacation. He is running his special numbers and fixing the next election via fraud or disenfranchisement.
egregious @ 54
I generally find that disbelief in someone’s existence is a very poor basis for a relationship.
TeddySanFran @ 49
I think that’s right, but part of her burden now is for people to see her as electable, so I think it makes sense in a way that going after Obama or Edwards doesn’t.
Hillary does makes me nervous, but the more the white house is in the fight, the more it’s about them and not whoever the Repub nominee is, and I think that’s a good thing.
My $.02
Is this the foul-mouthed fem blog?
If so, coolio! Now I’m off to find the anti-Semitic Daily Kos that urges “Jew gassing.”
Wow. Who knew the left blogosphere was filled with extremist wackos? It always seemed very rational to me.
Mutant Poodle @ 26
the CNN-bots were all over that this evening. Dunno if it’s the, heh heh, “last throes” of the retreating Rovester, but it also struck me as dopey. (Also Sleepy, Grouchy, and Sneezy.) I mean, you dignify an opponent by responding to them…..any fool knows that.
Or not…..
lisa @ 59
Hey, all you damn men! Um, get offa my frickin’… lawn! Yeah!
lisa @ 59
We were gonna tell ya tomorrow.
Eli @ 57
Not if you’re open to persuasion.
egregious @ 63
Well, if they can prove that they’re tangible…
lisa @ 59
You just have to dig deep. We’re all filled with an irrational hatred of America.
And manly men.
Welcome aboard!
oddmommy @ 60
Ah but KKKarl and Company are not just any fools…
When do the people really harmed by Rove get to weigh in with their own op-ed pieces? When, for instance, will we hear from John McCain’s adopted daughter about how she felt about the campaign in South Carolina in 2000? When will we hear from the hard-working Texan staffers of Ann Richards who were slurred by Rove in W’s first gubernatorial campaign? Why hasn’t Max Cleland been given newsprint real estate to speak out about the “morphing” campaign against him in 2002? Where is Tom Daschle? Where is John Kerry? Where, for that matter, is Mary Cheney?
Why have only the admirers, or once-admirers, of Rove been given the opportunity to opine on his legacy? Why have we not heard from those whose Gulf Coast he has neglected for almost two years?
The first-person voices of those Rove has hurt — ordinary Americans whose political discourse he debased as well as those who became unemployed or are still without a home — are the ones I want to hear from about Rove.
Fruck David Fum. His parsing of what Karl did or didn’t do is worthless to me, and to America. He’s just trying to find his way under the tent-flap again.
Eli @ 57
Calvino’s Il Cavaliere inesistente had the opposite problem.
TeddySanFran @ 67
Excellent point!
I can arrange some interviews with people who have been living and/or working on the Mississippi gulf coast, if you’re interested. Don’t know any of the more famous names on your list.
TeddySanFran @ 67
My initial impression was that he was trying to establish some kind of Principled Conservative street cred, but his little hissy fit about immigration suggests to me that he has a genuine grudge against Rove for not making Dubya kick out all the Scary Brown People.
I’m proud to be a fan of the foul-mouthed fem blog. Woo Hoo!
TexBetsy @ 69
Yes. My parents, brother and sister. New Orleans natives all. They all suffer from Katrina brain. I have a special personalized hatred for Rove.
Eli @ 61
Was I on it? I thought I had public access to the beach, at the Lake Shore??? WTF??? *g*
lisa @ 59
Well, it’s like that old Far Side cartoon, about what dogs actually hear.
You say: “Uh, y’know, maybe, just possibly, Israel has gone too far bombing most of Lebanon–again.”
What the wingnuts hear: “Gas them fuckin’ Jew bastards.”
You say, about a mess: “This fuckin’ mess has gone on too long. It’s time to fix it.”
What the wingnuts hear: “We fuckin’ ought to stick the right-wingers’ heads in the oven.”
In or out of power, the right-wingers are always the victims. That’s how they hear things.
I’m a f-m’ed f, and I’m married to a manly man. And he likes kitties, too.
montag @ 74
Well, also, any criticism of Lieberman is a criticism of all Jews.
I wonder if AC360, with his special passion for New Orleans, will interview anyone there about Rove’s departure. It seems to me that the discussion among the chatterati has been entirely focused on the opinions of the chatterati. They aren’t even pretending to report on the actual impact of Rove. They are simply reporting on his impact on themselves.
Here’s the ACLU petition for folks who haven’t weighed in on the FISA vote. It’s to Harry and Nancy.
cons cant govern – they only serve to increase power of the meritocracy.. us peons be damned
Eli @ 64
Wouldn’t it be equally important for her to find you tangible?
I would love to see Rove and Frum forced to live in the Ninth Ward with no health care and no special protection. Do you think their unique survival skills as gop operators would help them much? I know one thing, they would be sweating a lot.
marymccurnin @ 56
I would like to second this. I don’t believe for a moment Karl would be leaving were it not for some perceived strategic advantage. Rasputin does not just walk out the door.
TeddySanFran @ 77
Who else matters??
egregious @ 80
Absolutely. But I don’t think my tangibility is in dispute… is it?
Woo-Hoo, the first caller to Bill was; “…now that half of Bush’s brain has resigned…!!!” ;-)
Eli @ 76
Lieberman himself, too, is always the victim–of unfair and unproductive partisanship….
Yeah, right.
montag @ 74
You almost have to look at their base as having some fundamental psychological problems imo.
RonD @ 82
Remember what happened to Rasputin in the end.
and who thinks karl is done? not me – he’s free now to make real trouble for the country – he’s being sought by repugs who’re in trouble in their districts to guide them to victory …or so they think
juslin @ 89
“Do for my popularity what you’ve done for Bush’s!”
TeddySanFran @ 67
I ask you in return why these persons do not speak up. Do they have nothing to say? Are they weak? Are they burnt out? Don’t they not care? Have they written off the U.S.?
TeddySanFran @ 67
Well, we did have Sidney Blumenthal’s column today calling him a “political serial killer.”
I agree, the coverage of Exit Karl has been bizarre….almost like the m****f****r suddenly dropped dead and everyone was trying to give him a decent eulogy.
But good heavens, child…….surely you don’t expect anyone bearing the name of Cheney to do the right thing? Least of all Miss Mary, Smirking Simperess in Chief (”this is a baaaaby…..gift from God……not a political issue……..so WHAT if I live in a state where he’s an abomination………EVERYONE knows the rules don’t appy to rich, well connected lesbian mammas such as I….”)
juslin @ 89
I doubt if he’ll be out of work for long, but I imagine he’ll be keeping a pretty low profile….
Speaking of manly men, Condi hit the top of the 50 most influential list.
Eli @ 84
Anyone here ever touch Eli? Any proof at all that he exists? That he is tangible?
Rove is going to take the recent murder of three college students by an illegal immigrant and run it up the gop flag pole. Soon the precious 26% is going to be pounding their chests and reciting the pledge of allegiance while the dems inelegantly fumble the ball again.
Now I am going to raft down the American River. Bye!
Loo Hoo. @ 94
“These boots are made for walkin’….”
Loo Hoo. @ 94
Cheney has never relinquished control of Condi’s choker chain!!!
TexBetsy @ 95
I don’t think anyone on this thread has, unless Jane or Pach are lurking.
I have photos, but I could just be a hologram.
Loo Hoo. @ 94
I thought that was a joke when I read it earlier today. Then realized it wasn’t and am puzzled – why? Oprah has more influence than she does and could probably do foreign policy better – but so could my cat.
(On the other hand, if I weren’t tangible, how could I hold a camera?)
The first place a USA firing created waves, Arkansas’ first district, a Mail Fraud/direct mailing operation just got popped…
Eli @ 84
What kind of proof are you offering up?
Eli, what do you look like? You on facebook?
juslin @ 89
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/….._0726.html
Their campaigns will be dead I think if he is caught. He is most likely to sell himself overseas, with the likes of Delay, Santorum, and yes… Joe Lieberman. Where was Abramoff?
Eli @ 99
…a figment of our imagination…!!!
Maybe you’re tangential, Eli?!
I start with the premise that David Frum is a fool, a dangerous one, and work down from there. He doesn’t know crap about where we are coming from and never will. He and the rest of the Rethuglicans are about to get steamrolled in ‘08. Rove will be so discredited even Tom Delay will STFU. Ain’t nothing gonna save those buzzards this time, the toilet is about to flush. I hope Rove enjoys his time in front of Congress after Bush is gone.
Forget it. He’s engaged. I’m not playing anymore. Awwww.
marymccurnin @ 88
I haven’t heard this story what happens to Rasputin’s end? *g*
egregious @ 103
I’m sure you’ll think of something.
TexBetsy @ 104
A bit Borgish, really…
TexBetsy @ 109
…e-harmony…??? *g*
AZ Matt @ 108
Those you oppose may not know or think what you do. They are not fools, however. I do not think the 2008 elections are a given.
Eli @ 111
” Error
EMTPYFILE”
TexBetsy @ 114
Ooops. Try this.
Frum reminds me of those kids in school who would run around trying to suck up to anyone who would let them. Eventually even this type of suck up would be kicked out of group only to repeat the cycle.. What will Frum do now that he has to find another idol, I think we know, anything.
Eli @ 115
OK. But not exactly proof. In fact, I think EMPTYFILE was proof that you’re not tangible.
Eli @ 115
You reside in New England?
TexBetsy @ 117
Well, intermittently…
Eureka Springs @ 116
Is anyone else picturing an annoyed MoDo trying to shoo him away? They totally deserve each other.
Jonathan @ 113
They are FOOLS and they got the heads handed to them on platter in ‘06. They are Fools because only listen to themselves. Do you think David Frum talks to the man-on-the-street? No way and neither does Karl Rove. They talk to Wall STreet and the money boys.
CTuttle @ 118
Pittsburgh, actually…
(I’m pretty stubbly for a foul-mouthed fem…)
Loo Hoo. @ 78
Loo Hoo, where’d you get that URL. It brings up a secure ACLU page for some real person.
Mods dump that ACLU URL please. @ Loo Hoo 78 and here @ 123
NOW Reid wants to fix the FISA act? Weird.
Eli @ 122
But a fantastic photographer!
TexBetsy @ 125
Thanks, Betsy! That’s not even my *good* photo gallery…
Eli @ 126
I’d love to see the good one.
BTW, you know you need to move your pix off Yahoo in the next month, right?
Matt @120
I don’t disagree with your observations.
What I mean by fool is this: I hear X but tell myself I hear Y.
I think Rove hears X, knows that he hears X, but decides to do something you or I wouldn’t do based on what he hears and how he thinks about it.
What about Lindsey Lohan?
TexBetsy @ 127
Right here.
Yeah, I know. I’m not real happy about it.
Eli @ 130
Neither am I, but Snapfish has been fine. Much less public than Flickr. But I did like Yahoo photos.
SeamusD @ 123
What do you mean? I got it from the ACLU.
Truth and hillarious too – Impeach the Chenguin:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/…..f-blitzer/
Never heard of a girl angel- are there any?
That, yes, and in deep politics…
What do the black markets in guns, oil, and narcotics need, and how can the Bush Crime Family (formerly the Harriman-Bush Crime Family) achieve it?
http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm
Hugh @ 110
It was a very colorful ending:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G…..assination
Please don’t anyone feel sorry for this man. We have no idea what he’s done. I hope someday we will find out and he will be held accountable if it is deserved.
Loo Hoo. @ 132
When i used it i got a secure page at ACLU with a real persons name, etc. weird, weird. After i logged the poor guy out, it quit happening.
As his days wither down to a precious few, Clusterfuck is intent on running out the clock- he’s been emboldened cause none of his stretch moves have hurt him yet- all the executive privelege and national security smokescreen is holdin up so more.
There’s a pretty good chance now that he will overplay his hand and get caught. can’t wait.
JD21 @ 137
I really don’t think you have to worry about that…
Great post Eli. Simple stuff even a slope haid like me can get. It is the “Me Generation” in power on a ‘roid rage, seemingly.
BTW, a little birdee (or maybe chickadee) told me about a ‘foul mothed fem blog’ needed a serious injection of testosterone.
I hold myself forth as a prime example as the urgent need for lots of smart chicks for me to stand behind and say:
“Yeah, what she said!”
rwcole @ 139
Maybe Harry Reid is using the rope-a-dope. Yeah, that’s the ticket.
Thanks, OFG! I’m working on a companion piece at my place, to expand on the “dam” image.
The last two paragraphs of Frum’s explanation are hogwash.
The outlook is not, however, entirely bleak for Republicans. I notice that much of the Democratic party, and especially its activist netroots, has decided that the way to beat Rove Republicanism is by emulating it. They are practicing the politics of polarization; they are elevating “framing” above policy; they have decided that winning the next election by any means is all that matters — and never mind what happens on the day after that.
If they follow this path, they should not be surprised when they discover that it leads to the same destination.
Eli @ 142
Unfortunately, he’s the dope that’s gettin’ roped.
http://www.rawstory.com/
Rawstory is chock full of interesting headlines tonite.
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/….._0813.html
Eli @ 143
I can’t wait to read it!
cable teevee’s favorite topic of the day was “who fucked up the bush administration.
No one suggested Bush.
Oilfieldguy @ 141
Glad to see you back here. Don’t stay away so long.
Rove described clusterfuck today as one of the most well read men I have ever met.
pol @ 144
Yeah, that pissed me off too. It was kinda out of scope for this post, but I did react to it in a more comprehensive Frum post:
pol @ 144
Uh, Mr. Frum, the only true ratfuckers spawned in the last several generations were and are Republicans. Name one Democrat deserving of the title, “Ratfucker.”
Even Terry McAuliffe doesn’t qualify. Suck up to wealthy corporate and banking interests, yes. Ratfucker, no.
Ratfuckers have no Dem DNA.
More fallout from the Rove revolution. From C&L
Meet the new chairman of Texas’ Board of Education.
The Texas Freedom Network (TFN) on Tuesday revealed a side of “intelligent design” proponents rarely seen by the public at large. The group released a transcript and recording of an extraordinarily candid speech given in 2005 by recently named State Board of Education Chairman Ron McLeroy.
McLeroy told a gathering at
Grace
Bible
Church in
Bryan, Texas, of his efforts to expunge evolution from the state’s high school biology textbooks. “Back in November 2003, we finished [the]…adoption process for the biology textbooks in
Texas…. I want to tell you all the arguments made by all the intelligent-design group, all the creationist intelligent design people, I can guarantee the other side heard exactly nothing,” he said.
He went on, condemning other Christian board members for not following his lead.
It gets worse. The Wall has the whole story. link
marymccurnin @ 81
And squeeeeeeeeeeeeling like a pig! Just like in Deliverence.
~wangdangdoodle, fmf
Jonathan @ 91
We’re not talking about speaking up on a street corner, we’re talking about appearing on TV political shows and op-eds in major newspapers. It’s not like you get those just by raising your hand.
It’s not a matter of the victims of Rove “speaking up,” it’s a matter of the gatekeepers being interested in getting a real picture of Rove’s legacy.
These people really need to get out sometime. I mean listen to Delay. The man sounds like he’s border-line brain deficient. “Rove is more powerful now”.
It makes no sense. When you stop working for the most powerful man in the world, you don’t get more juice, you get less juice.
It’lll be fun to hear what spin, that is all that comes from Roves mouth is what he wants the truth to be, and always realize that when he talks. He will be on with Rush, the man who openly told his listeners that he’s tired of carrying water for Bush.
Rush, the man who claims truth as his greatest asset admits to his crowd that he’s been lying to them and they still show up at his doorstep for breadcrumbs.
Rove may as well be coming down a staircase and announcing that he’s ready for his close-up with Mr. DeMille.
-GSD
rwcole @ 148
Feh. There was an op-ed somewhere, I think Froomkin quoted it, pointing out that the ridiculous power & influence Rove & Cheney enjoyed demonstrated that Dubya The Strong Leader is really a very weak manager, and is responsible for *all* the fuckups.
But that was targeted at people who can read, obviously…
Eli:
Maybe Karl realized that conservatives can’t actually meet the nation’s needs, which is why he relied on dirty tricks and manipulation over actual governance, and why Bush and the GOP rushed to settle as many scores and reward as many allies as possible before the gravy train derailed.
Completely spot on analysis. This is a Reagan legacy as well: Running against government in the campaign, and then using failures in governance to justify the campaign theme.
There are some things that the private sector does better than the public sector. That does not automatically lead to the conclusion that government is incapable of ever doing anything correctly.
PS
http://dyn.politico.com/member…..rentPage=1
READ ROVE’S COMMENTS DEMOCRATS – THE ONLY WAY TO STOP THIS GUY FROM HURTING YOU IS TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND HOLD HIM RESPONSIBLE FOR HIS ACTIONS. He’s very slippery. Hasn’t been caught yet. And, Dems, I hate to break it to you, but you aren’t very good at this catch the corruption game. You are getting played while the Fox-Republicans run circles around you to run out the clock. Bush’s Brain Rove is your most important guy at the center of it all – investigate and hold him accountable.
Eli @ 157
Read? Read? In America? Really?
I have noticed this before, a breathtaking dismantling of decades of carefully crafted regulation and policies designed to protect and benefit the majority of Americans. Not a careful chipping away, but wholesale slaughter, like a horrendous teevee series that knows it will not get another season.
And the whole time, as commentor Mary put, the Republicans would behave like the martians on “Mars Attacks” announcing over loudspeakers “we are your friends” as they blow everyone to smithereens.
now whatever shall chimpy do now that his “brain” has left his side…is it me or does slivey toad rove likes chimpy a lilllll too much……….?
Eli @ 121
I’ve only seen those old pumps that you had photographed in New England, or the maritime provinces!!!
Twas only last night as Junya was gettin’ ready for bed:
Junya: Oh lawdy, oh lawdy, why are all mah best weasels leaving me? Oh lawdy!
Laura Belle: Hush now Junya, don’t be cryin’ so much. Yous got plenty more weasels where they came from.
Junya: Oh Laura Belle, it jest ain’t the same. Ah spent all mah time trainin’ ‘em to go on that Constitu…that ol’ paper and now there be wee-wee all over mah pretty rug.
Laura Belle: Ah know Junya, ah know. Mikey Jerkoff does tend to get a bit excited in his tummy whenever summer comes ’round, and Josh ain’t never walked right since Uncka Deadeye gave him that snuggy.
Junya: Meybe…jest meybe…ah can bring some of mah kitty-cats back from vacation? Puleeeeze Honeybuns?
Laura Belle: Jeebus Junya, ah don’t know. Them be polecats and ah don’t know if they’re allowed up here no more.
Junya: Ah jest tell those Dimmicrats that they’re jest Texas Weasels ah found during recess. Ah’l jest sneak ‘em in through the back door jest like last time. Can ah puleeeeze Sugartoes?
Laura Belle:Awright Junya, jest as long as you do it after dark, and yah promise that they’ll only sleep at the foot of the bed. Its getting too darn crowded on this here pillow with Barney, Fredo and Condi. Now put that burrito down and turn off the light.
rwcole @ 150
doesn’t get out much, does he, except among teh base?
rwcole @ 150
A lot of MSM readers and viewers will believe this. People who believe in evolution. Who believe in the rule of law. Who are conditioned to believe what they hear and read.
CTuttle @ 163
Wow, I figured you were just making some joke I wasn’t getting…
rwcole @ 134
What, you never heard of “Touched by an Angel?”
Come to think of it, that sounds like what Eli has in mind…
GSD @ 156
Don’t forget, Delay prol’ly has drain bamage from sniffin’ too many pesticides without wearing any masks or protective gear cuz that would mean he ain’t a manly man. I mean who needs to follow EPA and FDA rules anyway…
Loo Hoo. @ 78
I’m on their mailing list. I signed their petition last night or this morning. They’re good folks to support– we’re fighting a lot of the same fights.
Bob in HI
Hi all,
Just stopping by.
CTuttle and Bob Schacht, how’re things with you? Are you all battened down?
Eli @ 167
I try to be observant…!!! A Virgo trait, so I’m told…!!! ;-)
A simple concept these guys like Frum don’t get. We bloggers are not on the payroll of anyone and therefore do not shill.
We vote and would like some results for American citizens.
It really is just that simple.
Funny how Rove is pushing the “well read” myth for Bush. In 2000 the myth was that Bush was a good old boy and didn’t like to read the newspapers and wasn’t very curious.
Rove now sees that it is important to suck up to the elites and the intellectuals who will have no small part in establishing the historical templates of the Bush presidency.
Rove is very easy to read.
Funny indeed.
-GSD
Hey CTuttle,
Just an fyi:
BoSox win 2-1
Yankees lose 12-0
hi ofg!
Yankees lost one of their greats today. Used to listen to the Scooter for years and years when I was growing up.
Here’s what I think went down…blood is thicker than water.
W went to see Putin in Maine..Poppy told him to get his shit together (in a quiet and “compassionate way”, i.e., you want to see a red cent of inheritance…) that he had to go back and
“urge”purge Rove and tell him to get outta Dodge.Rove spent a few weeks packing up papers, (that he carted at the airport himself today)….
Meanwhile, W was supposed to go brush choppin’ in Crawford, right after eatin’ hot dogs and getting snubbed by the newly-elected First Lady of France (via a sore throat), except he got word that Rove was hittin’ the “road”, so he deeeeeetoured AF1 back to DC to send Rove’s sorry ass off, hoping they could remain
chokefriends. Rove wept.Now, I would worry, if I was W, what Rove was plannin’ to do with his executive privilege information.
Waving to Teddy! I hear YKos 2.0 was like eating rice cakes. Still, I would have liked to see all of you.
Redshift @155
I understand somewhat about gatekeepers.
But Max Clelland and the others mentioned are not without strong, clear voices. Despite how viciously they may have been attacked.
Poor Pickles Bush. Snubbed by Mrs. Sarkozy, who quickly recovered from her sore throat and went out shopping in small town New Hampshire.
-GSD
Is this the beginning?
Eli @ 111
Ha! that’s an empty file! Eli is a Will-o-the-whisp! A mere ephemeral tangent!
Bob in HI
GSD @ 174
Yeah, the transformation is astounding, isn’t it? From ignrant good ol’ boy to Bertrand Russell in only six years.
I’ll bet the only way Rove could get Bush to finish a comic book was to bet him a cheeseburger that he couldn’t.
montag @ 184
All the more reason to elect Dems to school boards. Start at the beginning. Can’t let the Pubes pick the books.
LS @ 147
Done, and done. Hopefully not too awful – I don’t spend nearly as much time on the posts on my own blog, ‘cuz only about 15 people read it…
rwcole @ 150
My Pet Goat instead of WH security briefs… But what’s the dif?
dakine01 @ 175
Ain’t it grand! However, the Cardiac Sox had to wait for the bottom of the ninth to score both…!!! ;-)
Me3 @ 187
WH briefs? Oh, you mean the one’s with Superman’s S on them!
GSD @ 181
I have no sypmpathy for Pickles.
If I were propping up some foul-mouthed fem blogger and got attacked for being an enabler, I’d have nothing to say.
Loo Hoo. @ 124
So, he wants to close the barn door after the horses have escaped, and is writing a stern letter to his brothers about keeping the barn door closed in the future?
This letter would have been a whole lot more useful several weeks ago. Sir Harry was asleep at the switch.
Bob in HI
TeddySanFran @ 182
I’m not sure if it is yet another move in that direction. It is probably more in the line of an attempt to unilaterally sieze some Iranian financial assets and divvy them up among Bush friends through typical Bushista moves.
really late to the thread, but…
Hiya Eli! Love your show, babe.
bobschacht @ 191
It’s a bit like Sherrod Brown pledging to fight the MCA that he voted for. Although Brown has a much better overall track record.
Hiya, LL! Thanks!
TexBetsy @ 131
Me, too. Thanks for your snapfish recommendation. Is there an easy way just to transfer Yahoo photos straight over to Facebook?
BTW, Betsy, did you get my “Cats in a CD Store”? Were they animated?
Bob in HI
Ed*ard Teller @ 192
The Bush administration has chosen? Or the Cheney administration?
Eli @ 186
Then I’m #16, I bookmarked it!
Hiya Lou!!
headline from the Austin news channel:
Austin library to be named for Laura Bush
LS @ 198
Cool! Thanks!
Bob, yes the move is easy. Yes the pix came. Couldn’t see them on the mac. Have not yet tried on the windows machine.
TexBetsy @ 200
Barbara Cartland will be ecstatic….
wangdangdoodle @ 199
hey you!
pol @ 144
Oh, I don’t know. Doesn’t sound like hogwash to me.
Bob in HI
TexBetsy @ 200
Huh? So are we renaming an old one or building a new one?
Reid demanded an all-nighter and drug out the cots for an up or down vote on Iraq, which was chuckled off as political theatre by the rightards.
Reid caves by 11pm giving Bertie Walnuts sole oversight of the Republicans “spy on their political enemies program.”
Heh.
bobschacht @ 191
Could be he’s gotten a lot more protest over it than he thought, and so has revised his opinion? Who the hell knows.
Eli @ 186
Then I’m #16, I bookmarked it!Eli @ 194
This REALLY pisses me off from Reid’s letter, “the threat to the homeland today from Al Qaeda is nearly as great as it was before 9/11.”
Stop it!!!
PB (peanut butter) @ 208
They really shouldn’t *need* us to scream bloody murder to realize this shit is a terrible idea.
from a different station:
New Library Named After Laura Bush Tue Aug 14, 5:49 PM ET
The first ever Laura Bush Library is slated to go on the corner of Bee Caves Rd. and Cuernavaca Drive South in Western Travis County.
Iranian Revolutionary Guards? Or the Carlyle Group? Or Halliburton?
You be the judge:
TexBetsy @ 211
Not surprised. That’s her side of town.
TexBetsy @ 211
Ah, well, it certainly is a perverse take on “keeping Austin weird.”
TexBetsy @ 211
Poor Laura Bush. Unconscious.
You have caves with bees in them in Texas? Or are those simply the Not-A Caves on that road?
Eli @ 210
Oh, indisputably. But I wonder if that’s what happened, and if so, then we need to keep on screaming bloody murder about everything.
Since it had something of an effect which is more than I can say for the previous six years…
wangdangdoodle @ 213
Midland is her side of Austin?
rwcole @ 150
So true. Here he is in a florida classroom reading My Pet Goat
http://youtube.com/watch?v=rYa…..mp;search=
TexBetsy @ 211
My hope: That there are those devoted to ensuring that none of the Bushes ever appear in public without being heckled, hounded, and driven off whatever platform from which they have been given to speak.
TeddySanFran @ 182
TeddySanFran @ 212
Wonder who they learned that from? Can you say Iran/Contra?
LS, every time I see the words the homeland, I picture you ragin’ ;-)
montag @ 218
Thats FAAAAAR west Austin.
LoudounLib @ 223
I picture Hitler.
Jonathan @ 220
We Central Texas firepups are a dozen strong at last count!
greenwarrior @ 171
CTuttle’s probably having an interesting day about now– but he should be out of the danger zone. Our big day here on Oahu should be tomorrow. Should be OK as long as Flossie stays south. Big trouble if she heads north.
Thanks for your concern.
Bob in HI
TeddySanFran @ 216
The honest answer is that there are millions of amazing caves and rivers in Texas. Some caves have bees, many have bats.
TexBetsy @ 211
It will probably have signed copies of all the books written that extole the greatness of the Bush family. I don’t think anything Molly ivins wrote will be found there.
LS @ 228
Do they have bats with bees in their mouths, and when they echolocate, they shoot bees at you?
Loo Hoo. @ 221
Asleep at the Wheel.
Power to the People!
AZ Matt @ 229
I don’t think Molly would mind that a bit. As long as The Texas Observer keeps all her archives intact, she’ll be satisfied. :)
I’d like to see a Molly Ivins Library!
TexBetsy @ 200
They plan to call it the Pickles Bookmobile.
Eli @ 230
The bat caves have tons of guano. Probably from eating bees…and mosquitoes.
TexBetsy @ 200
Go get ‘em, Betsy.
Of course, Pickles coulden’t recomment that people go to the internet instead of the “dead tree” zone…
Loo Hoo. @ 221
Breaking lurkdom – what the hades – wasn’t it just a few weeks ago that bipartisan Joe got that 97-zip resolution condemning Iran through?
When will Reid realize that NO ONE should be pushing craptastic legislation through under a stop watch?
Rove having a full news cycle to me is just a rat’s big shiny tin foil ball. Iran, folks – it’s looming large, and the Air Force is all ginned up and staffed in Balad.
OK, snorkel back on and descending to lurk level….
Un-hyphenated, echolocate is a very difficult word to figure out.
The storm surge that CNN had just provided about Flossie may not look too impressive since no scale is portrayed, but, those volcanic shores/spires are huge to add a little perspective to the storm surge!!!
wangdangdoodle @ 234
Well, libraries are periodically renamed. It would be great fun to see the Laura Bush Library renamed sometime as the Molly “She Can’t Say That, Can She?” Ivins Library.
radiofreewill @ 235
The whole thing would fit in a small Honda, but they’ll be using a Ford Explosion instead.
radiofreewill @ 235
Boyfriends beware!
wangdangdoodle @ 225
It burns me up!
TeddySanFran @ 244
HA!!
TexBetsy @ 243
That is funny, we call them Ford exploders!!
LS @236
There have been here in the last several days comments about bats, box turtles, and squirrels.
If I was forced to choose between saving one of these animals and, for example, saving John Cornyn, I would decide which was more worth saving.
We are far, far, far into almost Zed land. Watch out!
Tex Betsy,
What exactly has Laura Bush done in Austin that rates the “honor” of having a library named after her? After all the Patriot Act wanted to force libraries to diclose what people checked out.
wangdangdoodle @ 224
I think Midland is about the perfect place for the Bush Library. In Austin, it would be a joke. In Midland, well, they’d think it was a pretty swell idea.
Bob in HI
TRex is upstairs talkin’ about teh surge
Zeds upstairs!
AZ Matt @ 250
Ah, this was the concession when the city agreed to not name an elementary school after her when there were protesters a few years ago.
Au contraire. He did ask himself that question. For the last six years, we’ve been seeing his answer…
CTuttle @ 34
Not a polite thing to do, asking a guy (Bush) to fight after he’s lost his brain. I mean really. C’mon Hillary there are plenty of Democratic presidential candidates. Why go picking on Bushie?
It’s easy to see Hillary would be a better president than Bush. But, then all the Democratic presidential candidates would. So, what’s she trying to prove?
Hillary fights like a girl!
egregious @ 53
You too
Loo Hoo. @ 94
Who does she influence?
2 words: 9/11
That’s all Rove’s trajectory was about, nothing else. Exploiting 9/11.
I dunno — I have to respectfully disagree with you here. The Repubs _did_ answer the question, “What does the nation need?”
Their answer was:
War, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, torture, war, war, war, more torture, war, war, war, sodomy, war, war, war, beatings, war, war, war, sadistic torture to death, war, war, war, violation of the Geneva Convention, war, war, war, corruption, war, war, war, lies, war, war, war, more lies, war, war, war, more and more and more lies, war, war, war, cronyism, war, war, war, pilfering, war, war, war, thieving, war, war, war, scamming, war, war, war, ripoffs, war, war, war, fraud, war, war, war, more lies and more lies and still more lies, war, war, war, death and destruction, war, war, war, dead Lousianans floating in sewage, war, war, war, contempt for anyone who’s not rich, war, war, war, corporate welfare, war, war, war, creationism, war, war, war, mindless superstition in place of science, war, war, war, more ware and still MORE war, global warming denial war, war, war, an attempt to destroy rationality itself, war, war, war, and still more war, war, war, sex with underage boys by Repub leaders, war, war, war, methamphetamine use while hiring gay hookers, war, war, war, hiring gay hookers to ask softball questions at White House press oncference, war, war, war, an enemies list, war, war, war, revocation of habeas corpus, war, war, war, kidnapping of innocent people by the govenrment and torture with end without charges, war, war, war, more war, war, war, and still more war, war, war, murdering 600,000 civilans in Iraq in thep rocess of war for the sake of war, war, war, nad more war, war, war, and still more war, war, war, hiring private contractors to kill civilans and torture innocent people during the course of more war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, sweetheart no-bid contracts to giant corrupt multnational corporations who never acutally do what they’re paid to do in Iraq, more war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, attacks on gays, war, war, war, attakcs on women, war, war, war, attacks on voting rights war, war, war, destruction of the bill of rights, war, war, war, death, corposes, torture, festering corruption, bribery, lies and more lies and still MORE lies, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, and still MORE war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war, war.
I think that covers it.
“Or maybe Karl realized that conservatives can’t actually meet the nation’s needs, which is why he relied on dirty tricks and manipulation over actual governance,”
Conservatives don’t believe in meeting the nation’s actual needs. That’s the whole point. Government action applied to any need is opposite the whole Conservative ideology.
It’s not a realization it’s an objective. In their worldview there is no need and even if a need is obvious, Conservatives would reject any action by government instead insisting that the market or the ‘hidden hand’ or some form of voodoo will satisfy the need.
American Conservatism is based on fantasy and wishful thinking inherently dishonest and corrupt.
Rove’s position is never a question in earnest. He determines what he wants the country to be/get and then proceeds through a succession of dirty tricks and underhanded maneuvers to apply it. And David Frum goes along for the ride. Oh my.
David Frum AND Karl Rove are part of “the asses of evil”.
As a Canadian i’m embarassed for Frum and his neocon bullcrap.
This attention whore Frum is a broken clock,correct for two seconds a day but wrong for the remaining 23hrs59mins58sec.